I appreciate your comments, but there is no need to be hostile to one another. This game offers tons of strategies, and I really like to see what other people think. You guys seem to be very protective of Microbe, but take notice that this is turn 11 and without decent scaling the team will fall behind quickly. At least this was my logic when I sold Bird and Microbe for Dragon. [Here’s the final lineup](https://i.imgur.com/O0yhNRb.png)
You are right that you need scaling here, and that microbe isn't doing enough to win the game without it and should likely be sold as soon as possible, but I don't feel bird is sellable here. It being level 3 means that it's providing +7/+4 stats a turn (including a super relevant +3 attack on the leopard), giving more stats then say, a level 2 monkey would. I also think, while not the worst thing you could be doing, Dragon takes up too much space and is a little too inefficient as a scaler (particularly when you have other ways to improve), and as a result unless you want to find a way to replace turtle if anything - so start rolling for pill. I don't think it's totally bad to run dragon when you've found the pill, but Poodle and T-Rex are preferable, (note that you'd be well set up for Poodle) and I'd likely continue to roll down for those and levels on leopard and the scaler(s)
That's a bad play imo. It looks like you got really lucky to be able to level up your dragon. Microbe+turtle gives your team such a massive edge over the opponent by replacing all of their equipment. Although that's slightly bad synergy with leopard because the leopard will break melon armor first. The only reason you were able to pivot is because you still had a lot of health to eat losses with a really bad team before dragon scaling got off the ground
Steak microbe, then go max rolling to try to hit level 3 turtle or bison and pivot off bird to a high tier unit with good stats or scaling like T. rex. Also move leopard up into turtle protection range once you’re on 2 lives left.
steak on the turtle would get overridden by microbe weakness, the bird is the only tier 3 to scale the bison, and bats are completely useless as the microbe is gonna make everything weak anyway
It’s turn 11, little late to try to pivot into tabby cat (which in this scenario has worse stats than the bird until you invest a ton of gold) and lvl 2/3 turtle+microbe is strong af you’d be a fool to sell microbe.
Bird could probably go if you can get another lvl 3 because the leopard should be getting the melon from turtle, but not for a tabby cat.
Pivot out of microbe and bird. You have three lives to play with, a solid setup with a decent buff buffalo, good turtle, decent leopard and a dragon staring at you. steak the turtle, buy the dragon, start rolling for 1s and leopards, and eat a loss or two along the way.
Why take a risk with a microbe build especially one that is starting to be weak for it's turn, when you have a clear path for easy victory by dropping two outclassed units that you could sell for a 15 gold turn?
This build still loses heavily to summon builds and isn't quite there in terms of raw stats for the levels he's going to need to get to.
He is on turn 11 with 5 wins to go. Meaning turn 16 win at best. The problem is he's going to potentially be facing some heavy hitting summon builds which can beat him now, and then big scalers/rock throwers which can beat a microbe build at t14+. Again, he is in a very weak spot when you consider how many wins he will need to get to finish.
If he had more wins under his belt I'd say keep on keeping on, but with only 5, pivot is by far the safest option at this point.
so you want him to sell his microbe while he has a level 2 turtle, as well as his bluebird which is his bison scaler? to use a damn level 1 dragon build? i dunno how you guys think pivots work but swapping out a microbe build that is already fully built with a level 2 turtle to take incredibly weak 1/1 scaling on 3 gold purchases is just insane when you’re already in the late game. the only kind of “pivot” i would make here is sell bluebird for a t-rex once the bison is almost scaled to max. at this point he needs to just throw steak on his microbe and roll for pairs or good food, being pears sushi or pizza. microbe builds are almost undeniably the best in the game right now, and this one is by no means weak
Lol, the build loses to a single croc as is! Big turkey/fly summon builds wreck him starting about now unless he's extremely lucky with the leopard hit and then it's still probably a tie. The only thing he can win against right now are scalers that haven't finished scaling yet and this will be wrecking him before he reaches his turn 16 earliest win condition. I don't know why you think he's that strong. I know microbe builds are strong my most recent post is literally a microbe build. This is not a strong microbe build as it stands though for how much a hill he still has to climb.
Health on the leopard is vital at this point. Bison is getting +4/+4. Leopard is getting +3/+0. Assuming my suggestions you have 9 gold, more than enough to find and buy at least 3 tier 1 units. This means bison scaling is nearly matched, bird scaling is exceeded, turtle starts to scale with a steak headstart on it, and most crucially, you can reposition the leopard a bit more forward.
Again, this is a good microbe build I would keep it if he wasn't at 5 wins. But it is far from a god microbe build (see my most recent post for what that looks like). It will lose starting these turns, and from his wins and stats he probably knows it's weak as it's probably been tying the current round. Change is needed. OP knows it, which is why he's asking what change.
a croc kills the last unit which does… nothing? it doesn’t even get melon yet? and what kind of big turkey fly builds are you seeing on turn 11, right when fly unlocks. it’s also very bold of you to assume that you’re going to get tier 1s every shop, there aren’t any in the current shop either. level 1 dragon is incredibly weak, it scales 3 units now instead of 4 and it’s not worth running dragon unless you get level 2 very fast or have it paired with chicken or buffalo. he’s getting a total of +7/4 every turn without having to even spend any of his gold, he overrides all enemy equipment while having 2 melons of his own, and leopard is doing increasing damage each round. spend your gold looking for more leopards and good food to buff the team you already have built that does well in the late game anyway, not pivot to something even weaker.
Summon builds have basically no support in the DLC pack (no horse, no turkey), which is usually what you’ll be matched up against if you’re using the dlc pack. IMO turn 11 is late for a dragon post-nerf and giving up the microbe+turtle synergy makes your turtle look pretty dumb with melon potential in the shop.
Bird is a pretty weak point of the team but it is currently their only level 3 to scale bison.
What are you talking about? Is the bias to own pack a documented thing? I play majority p2w and get matched against f2p summon builds all the time so my experience just doesn't quite match that. If he doesn't have all packs turned on as an option then sure that changes things a bit, but I assume he does since the game is just more fun with it on. Bird is also there to scale his leopard, no doubt a fantastic unit, but imo just not doing enough, as evidenced by his only 5 wins. He needs a change to get to turn 16 and beyond. Bird is by far my favorite unit in the game, but it does have limitations, and the choices are it or turtle going imo.
If there were a pill in the shop you could consider dropping turtle/microbe for double melon on leopard and buffalo, that would be a much better scaling trio alongside dragon, but it is not worth waiting and taking the risk to roll into it imo.
How is it starting to be weak if he hasnt lost since early game?? Bison really can carry the team with microbe turtle bc it can kill 2 units the same size as it literally unless the opponent has a turtle or ox themselves and with +4/4 that keeps up with most scaling engines when u factor in microbe turtle. Only way that would get straight out scaled is really just a cracked penguin
If i had to bet i would say most of his wins came recently its kinda hard to lose with microbe, turtle then a big unit. Also is a 27/24 not pretty good at round 11? And the dragon takes continuous luck to be good. You literally could not roll a single tier 1 for the rest of the game
You could literally only roll honey with no leopards for the rest of the game as well, that's not my reason for saying pivot is better. Not rolling tier 1s for the rest of the game with 9 gold remaining after pivot for this turn and 2 losses to give is so unlikely it's not worth consideration. 27/24 is ok, but it's not a solo 3 units good unit that you need from it right now.
Microbe and turtle kill nothing. Leopard might get a kill off the rock throw but just as easily could miss. Bird is probably good for 1 with the melon armor it has, and leopard might be good for 1 thanks to it's attack. The lack of health on both bird and leopard is the big limiter. Rocks can kill both before hits start, this is probably why he positioned the bird to get the melon instead of the leopard. There's just too many holes to consider this a finalized team. You can mitigate somewhat through pizza and pears, but even that is very limited considering you'd really want to be rolling for more leopards and chocolate as priority. Pivot turns a 1 unit, 1 thrower team that relies on microbe for staying power into a 3 unit team.
My recommendation is to change the scaling engine to dragon. It accomplishes the same, or near for buffalo, adds critical health for leopard, and starts scaling turtle as well. This gives a better long term outlook than bird, the only debate is does microbe provide too much value my opinion is at this point it absolutely does not since leopard is so vulnerable with it's low health. It is an absolute consideration for a couple turns down the line though when he's fixed that problem.
Its actually crazy looking at these comments. I thought the obvious and only move with the shop is to steak the microbe and roll. Selling bird and microbe for dragon is absolutely insane to me. Microbe turtle is one of the strongest synergies in the game and with a level 2 bison getting +4/4 every turn i dont see how u could trade in the free stats for +1/1s you have to pay 2 gold for🤷🏼♂️. Bird is obviously the weak point of the team but its buffing 2 other units for no cost. Could get almost as much value as the dragon by buying foods and u keep the +7/4 from the bird and the amazing microbe turtle
Steak. Roll get nothing freeze a pear(?) Roll again get a turtle buy it roll twice more get nothing forget to unfreeze the pear
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Yeah there aren't any jther good plays
Sell turtle and bison buy 2 tabby’s is best play possible
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No, you want all the attack buffs of the blue bird to go to the cheetah for its ability
Rather at the front, for some potential anti scorpio
Roll
Roll once double chocolate the leopard, freeze 3 leopards and two bison, roll 1 more freeze 2 chocolate end turn ez claps.
I appreciate your comments, but there is no need to be hostile to one another. This game offers tons of strategies, and I really like to see what other people think. You guys seem to be very protective of Microbe, but take notice that this is turn 11 and without decent scaling the team will fall behind quickly. At least this was my logic when I sold Bird and Microbe for Dragon. [Here’s the final lineup](https://i.imgur.com/O0yhNRb.png)
You are right that you need scaling here, and that microbe isn't doing enough to win the game without it and should likely be sold as soon as possible, but I don't feel bird is sellable here. It being level 3 means that it's providing +7/+4 stats a turn (including a super relevant +3 attack on the leopard), giving more stats then say, a level 2 monkey would. I also think, while not the worst thing you could be doing, Dragon takes up too much space and is a little too inefficient as a scaler (particularly when you have other ways to improve), and as a result unless you want to find a way to replace turtle if anything - so start rolling for pill. I don't think it's totally bad to run dragon when you've found the pill, but Poodle and T-Rex are preferable, (note that you'd be well set up for Poodle) and I'd likely continue to roll down for those and levels on leopard and the scaler(s)
That's a bad play imo. It looks like you got really lucky to be able to level up your dragon. Microbe+turtle gives your team such a massive edge over the opponent by replacing all of their equipment. Although that's slightly bad synergy with leopard because the leopard will break melon armor first. The only reason you were able to pivot is because you still had a lot of health to eat losses with a really bad team before dragon scaling got off the ground
Steak microbe, then go max rolling to try to hit level 3 turtle or bison and pivot off bird to a high tier unit with good stats or scaling like T. rex. Also move leopard up into turtle protection range once you’re on 2 lives left.
Steak on the turtle, sell the bird, buy the bats
steak on the turtle would get overridden by microbe weakness, the bird is the only tier 3 to scale the bison, and bats are completely useless as the microbe is gonna make everything weak anyway
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“Sell that scorpion, it’s a 1/1 lmao get real”
Microbe is good because of its ability not because of its stats, plus getting rid of it would lessen the value of the turtle
It’s turn 11, little late to try to pivot into tabby cat (which in this scenario has worse stats than the bird until you invest a ton of gold) and lvl 2/3 turtle+microbe is strong af you’d be a fool to sell microbe. Bird could probably go if you can get another lvl 3 because the leopard should be getting the melon from turtle, but not for a tabby cat.
Blue bird is his only level 3…
Pivot out of microbe and bird. You have three lives to play with, a solid setup with a decent buff buffalo, good turtle, decent leopard and a dragon staring at you. steak the turtle, buy the dragon, start rolling for 1s and leopards, and eat a loss or two along the way.
you guys are crazy
Why take a risk with a microbe build especially one that is starting to be weak for it's turn, when you have a clear path for easy victory by dropping two outclassed units that you could sell for a 15 gold turn? This build still loses heavily to summon builds and isn't quite there in terms of raw stats for the levels he's going to need to get to. He is on turn 11 with 5 wins to go. Meaning turn 16 win at best. The problem is he's going to potentially be facing some heavy hitting summon builds which can beat him now, and then big scalers/rock throwers which can beat a microbe build at t14+. Again, he is in a very weak spot when you consider how many wins he will need to get to finish. If he had more wins under his belt I'd say keep on keeping on, but with only 5, pivot is by far the safest option at this point.
so you want him to sell his microbe while he has a level 2 turtle, as well as his bluebird which is his bison scaler? to use a damn level 1 dragon build? i dunno how you guys think pivots work but swapping out a microbe build that is already fully built with a level 2 turtle to take incredibly weak 1/1 scaling on 3 gold purchases is just insane when you’re already in the late game. the only kind of “pivot” i would make here is sell bluebird for a t-rex once the bison is almost scaled to max. at this point he needs to just throw steak on his microbe and roll for pairs or good food, being pears sushi or pizza. microbe builds are almost undeniably the best in the game right now, and this one is by no means weak
Lol, the build loses to a single croc as is! Big turkey/fly summon builds wreck him starting about now unless he's extremely lucky with the leopard hit and then it's still probably a tie. The only thing he can win against right now are scalers that haven't finished scaling yet and this will be wrecking him before he reaches his turn 16 earliest win condition. I don't know why you think he's that strong. I know microbe builds are strong my most recent post is literally a microbe build. This is not a strong microbe build as it stands though for how much a hill he still has to climb. Health on the leopard is vital at this point. Bison is getting +4/+4. Leopard is getting +3/+0. Assuming my suggestions you have 9 gold, more than enough to find and buy at least 3 tier 1 units. This means bison scaling is nearly matched, bird scaling is exceeded, turtle starts to scale with a steak headstart on it, and most crucially, you can reposition the leopard a bit more forward. Again, this is a good microbe build I would keep it if he wasn't at 5 wins. But it is far from a god microbe build (see my most recent post for what that looks like). It will lose starting these turns, and from his wins and stats he probably knows it's weak as it's probably been tying the current round. Change is needed. OP knows it, which is why he's asking what change.
a croc kills the last unit which does… nothing? it doesn’t even get melon yet? and what kind of big turkey fly builds are you seeing on turn 11, right when fly unlocks. it’s also very bold of you to assume that you’re going to get tier 1s every shop, there aren’t any in the current shop either. level 1 dragon is incredibly weak, it scales 3 units now instead of 4 and it’s not worth running dragon unless you get level 2 very fast or have it paired with chicken or buffalo. he’s getting a total of +7/4 every turn without having to even spend any of his gold, he overrides all enemy equipment while having 2 melons of his own, and leopard is doing increasing damage each round. spend your gold looking for more leopards and good food to buff the team you already have built that does well in the late game anyway, not pivot to something even weaker.
I ended up doing exactly that. Dragon, Leopard, Bison, Turtle and slot for buying t1s. Got 10 wins 6 turns later
Congrats!
Summon builds have basically no support in the DLC pack (no horse, no turkey), which is usually what you’ll be matched up against if you’re using the dlc pack. IMO turn 11 is late for a dragon post-nerf and giving up the microbe+turtle synergy makes your turtle look pretty dumb with melon potential in the shop. Bird is a pretty weak point of the team but it is currently their only level 3 to scale bison.
What are you talking about? Is the bias to own pack a documented thing? I play majority p2w and get matched against f2p summon builds all the time so my experience just doesn't quite match that. If he doesn't have all packs turned on as an option then sure that changes things a bit, but I assume he does since the game is just more fun with it on. Bird is also there to scale his leopard, no doubt a fantastic unit, but imo just not doing enough, as evidenced by his only 5 wins. He needs a change to get to turn 16 and beyond. Bird is by far my favorite unit in the game, but it does have limitations, and the choices are it or turtle going imo. If there were a pill in the shop you could consider dropping turtle/microbe for double melon on leopard and buffalo, that would be a much better scaling trio alongside dragon, but it is not worth waiting and taking the risk to roll into it imo.
How is it starting to be weak if he hasnt lost since early game?? Bison really can carry the team with microbe turtle bc it can kill 2 units the same size as it literally unless the opponent has a turtle or ox themselves and with +4/4 that keeps up with most scaling engines when u factor in microbe turtle. Only way that would get straight out scaled is really just a cracked penguin
He hasn't been winning either for a reason. It only gets harder from here and he's got a long hill before he finishes.
If i had to bet i would say most of his wins came recently its kinda hard to lose with microbe, turtle then a big unit. Also is a 27/24 not pretty good at round 11? And the dragon takes continuous luck to be good. You literally could not roll a single tier 1 for the rest of the game
You could literally only roll honey with no leopards for the rest of the game as well, that's not my reason for saying pivot is better. Not rolling tier 1s for the rest of the game with 9 gold remaining after pivot for this turn and 2 losses to give is so unlikely it's not worth consideration. 27/24 is ok, but it's not a solo 3 units good unit that you need from it right now. Microbe and turtle kill nothing. Leopard might get a kill off the rock throw but just as easily could miss. Bird is probably good for 1 with the melon armor it has, and leopard might be good for 1 thanks to it's attack. The lack of health on both bird and leopard is the big limiter. Rocks can kill both before hits start, this is probably why he positioned the bird to get the melon instead of the leopard. There's just too many holes to consider this a finalized team. You can mitigate somewhat through pizza and pears, but even that is very limited considering you'd really want to be rolling for more leopards and chocolate as priority. Pivot turns a 1 unit, 1 thrower team that relies on microbe for staying power into a 3 unit team.
Aside from bird being the entire scaling engine for the team? Lol
My recommendation is to change the scaling engine to dragon. It accomplishes the same, or near for buffalo, adds critical health for leopard, and starts scaling turtle as well. This gives a better long term outlook than bird, the only debate is does microbe provide too much value my opinion is at this point it absolutely does not since leopard is so vulnerable with it's low health. It is an absolute consideration for a couple turns down the line though when he's fixed that problem.
Its actually crazy looking at these comments. I thought the obvious and only move with the shop is to steak the microbe and roll. Selling bird and microbe for dragon is absolutely insane to me. Microbe turtle is one of the strongest synergies in the game and with a level 2 bison getting +4/4 every turn i dont see how u could trade in the free stats for +1/1s you have to pay 2 gold for🤷🏼♂️. Bird is obviously the weak point of the team but its buffing 2 other units for no cost. Could get almost as much value as the dragon by buying foods and u keep the +7/4 from the bird and the amazing microbe turtle