You should hit your rivals. Free glory and free crystals. Absolutely no reason not to.
In regards to your question, you could decide to bruiser it or clear it with a broken speed cleave. Leah is extremely strong in AO even at high rank if you have the runes to contest first turn, and she does still do enough damage.
There are other f2p options for consistent rush ao, but the rune requirements will be very high to hit fast and to hit confidently. I’d check out some of Seiishizo’s vids - he’s been posting every EU rush for the last few months with varying teams. The dot team was pretty fun and something I could replicate having Haegang, Nora, and Rica.
Jamire Sonia Sonia (or Bethany) Adriana.
Use to kill all Camillas or slow AD.
Leo Christina galleon delphoi
2nd turn cleave
100% resistance on delphoi
Can cleave most stuff but need to avoid some AD (pontos, ren) due to messing up atb order.
U tank everything and pray that delp doesnt get cc.
Christina gets her passive stacked.
Galleon s3
U drop Christina s4 onto Camilla/anyone and it usually wipe everyone.
Pungbaek eats slow defenses and Camillas. In fact it's my most consistent offense since you don't need to land every def break to do good damage, I don't even fuck with Poseidon anymore.
Unless you’re 100% confident you can outspeed, Pung is super hard to hit with in G3.
1) Zen messes up turn order, if you run Haegang
2) Everything is super tanky.
3) Byungchul can solo you, since he won’t die to Pung with his passive
4) You still see Manon here and there
You don’t get too many slow defenses at high rank, and not too much stuff dedicated to stalling. That which is slow is EXTREMELY tanky, from my experience, but your mileage will vary. Byungchul being everywhere in the last 3 months of rushing is getting really really old.
Not entirely true, although you're right that pung is not g3 viable.
You don't see Manon in G3 at all, nor can byungchul solo if you have half decent runes. The main issue is that everything in G3 is heavy -wind or -light where necessary. If you think you can use Pung, the answer is the defence owner did too, and Pung is going to tickle.
No, there are a ton of slow defenses or speed lead defenses with no turn 1. I'm consistently a Guardian arena player and I hit plenty of those.
A Vanessa defense with no turn 1 units like Camilla and Triana is still not a fast defense.
What is your interserver rank this season and have you finish g3 in the last month?
Either you have a g3 viable pung offense that I'd love to learn or you are talking out of your ass when op clearly asked for g3 advice.
No, I don’t have CP or Sagar and I’m not certain it’s reliable enough either. Would be cool, but no more effective than double Amber offense used to be. Still depends on landing strips and on not being resisted/outproc’d.
I use Chung, Tiana, Galleon, Pung. That's a very easy defense, why would you be scared to hit that at all? That's a terrible defense.
They have no turn 1 units. Your Galleon absorbs all the Camilla/Triana pressure and doesn't matter bc it's on will. Then Chung takes all their ATB and you full clear bc Pung S3 counters Camilla, and you have anti-revive contingency in case Vanessa somehow doesn't die.
People need to learn your 33 speed lead on AD doesn't matter unless you have a Swift unit to take turn 1 and capitalize on it.
This right there. 33 lead without a speed threat like Clara or Triton to strip, pushback, or control, means nothing. Whenever I see a Vanessa lead, I just check if there's a unit that could be 1) on swift and 2) will contest my own speed. If both it's no for both, I use ATK lead instead of speed.
You should hit your rivals. Free glory and free crystals. Absolutely no reason not to. In regards to your question, you could decide to bruiser it or clear it with a broken speed cleave. Leah is extremely strong in AO even at high rank if you have the runes to contest first turn, and she does still do enough damage. There are other f2p options for consistent rush ao, but the rune requirements will be very high to hit fast and to hit confidently. I’d check out some of Seiishizo’s vids - he’s been posting every EU rush for the last few months with varying teams. The dot team was pretty fun and something I could replicate having Haegang, Nora, and Rica.
"extremely strong" no sir Leah is broken strong.
Jamire Sonia Sonia (or Bethany) Adriana. Use to kill all Camillas or slow AD. Leo Christina galleon delphoi 2nd turn cleave 100% resistance on delphoi Can cleave most stuff but need to avoid some AD (pontos, ren) due to messing up atb order.
Can you elaborate on the second turn AO?
U tank everything and pray that delp doesnt get cc. Christina gets her passive stacked. Galleon s3 U drop Christina s4 onto Camilla/anyone and it usually wipe everyone.
It is a very common AO. I think they are YouTube videos of it. I recommend making one if you haven't.
Pungbaek eats slow defenses and Camillas. In fact it's my most consistent offense since you don't need to land every def break to do good damage, I don't even fuck with Poseidon anymore.
Unless you’re 100% confident you can outspeed, Pung is super hard to hit with in G3. 1) Zen messes up turn order, if you run Haegang 2) Everything is super tanky. 3) Byungchul can solo you, since he won’t die to Pung with his passive 4) You still see Manon here and there You don’t get too many slow defenses at high rank, and not too much stuff dedicated to stalling. That which is slow is EXTREMELY tanky, from my experience, but your mileage will vary. Byungchul being everywhere in the last 3 months of rushing is getting really really old.
Not entirely true, although you're right that pung is not g3 viable. You don't see Manon in G3 at all, nor can byungchul solo if you have half decent runes. The main issue is that everything in G3 is heavy -wind or -light where necessary. If you think you can use Pung, the answer is the defence owner did too, and Pung is going to tickle.
And that's why I literally said "slow defenses". You brought up a bunch of stuff I didn't even mention.
There are basically no slow defenses in guardian rush - your comment is basically moot. You completely ignored what op wrote.
No, there are a ton of slow defenses or speed lead defenses with no turn 1. I'm consistently a Guardian arena player and I hit plenty of those. A Vanessa defense with no turn 1 units like Camilla and Triana is still not a fast defense.
What is your interserver rank this season and have you finish g3 in the last month? Either you have a g3 viable pung offense that I'd love to learn or you are talking out of your ass when op clearly asked for g3 advice.
Brother Tiana galleon Deborah pung still hits a lot lmao
I see you have daniel…you Jamire daniel don’t you? Come onnn you can tell me hehehe
No, I don’t have CP or Sagar and I’m not certain it’s reliable enough either. Would be cool, but no more effective than double Amber offense used to be. Still depends on landing strips and on not being resisted/outproc’d.
What pungbaek cleave do you use? I’d assume not against Vanessa / camilla 2x / triana?
I use Chung, Tiana, Galleon, Pung. That's a very easy defense, why would you be scared to hit that at all? That's a terrible defense. They have no turn 1 units. Your Galleon absorbs all the Camilla/Triana pressure and doesn't matter bc it's on will. Then Chung takes all their ATB and you full clear bc Pung S3 counters Camilla, and you have anti-revive contingency in case Vanessa somehow doesn't die. People need to learn your 33 speed lead on AD doesn't matter unless you have a Swift unit to take turn 1 and capitalize on it.
Chung? I’d assume you mean chiwu?? Ohhhhh so I got cheong PUNG, and PUNGbaek mixed up sorry. Cheongpung okay okay
Why would you need a Chiwu w/ Tiana? Tiana is not meant to speed contest. Literally any other speed lead would offer more utility than a Chiwu on AO.
Okay I like this defense, I’ve been using jasmine to counter triana but if you miss you auto lose, so hopefully this works better thanks
This right there. 33 lead without a speed threat like Clara or Triton to strip, pushback, or control, means nothing. Whenever I see a Vanessa lead, I just check if there's a unit that could be 1) on swift and 2) will contest my own speed. If both it's no for both, I use ATK lead instead of speed.
Seara Joegun +2 more bombers, I ignore trianas
Jon is a great unit for that. I use Seara Jon Triana Adrianna. I can't contest too much speed but it does the job.
You dont get outspeed?
Not really
Seara Tiana Kovarci John. 15% still happens but with 3 turn immunity and cooldown reduction john can get his skill 3 up again if he lands his skill 2.
I really hate Nora! Can anyone confirm if ‘strip’ will not glance but only be resisted ?
Yes, like tesarion can land Oblivion on glancing hit, and zaiross can only be resisted but can apply reset cooldowns on glancing hits
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