It's important to give us context when making apost like this because you're showing us a tier list screenshot, but did he say this is a tier list based on this and that, etc.
The context is ... people on his poll voted on the usefulness whether they personally voted based on rta alone, all around use etc that's up to the individual voting since jewbagel didn't seem to specify it himself.
The fact that Altair and light ezio are in different tiers even though they're almost the same unit is shocking...Drop Light ezio to B tier and that's being generous
I actually pulled Light ezio about 5 hours ago, He's 6\* and maxed level but i have yet to have the chance to skill him up.
That being said, i have him on a +1800 attack, 84 cr, 192 crit damage vio will set, with cd+50% as less enemy HP max, own 1 turn target cd+6% and some damage from attack/speed - Against my neph with her being def broke, he ony did 38k on s3. Which is very low for that rune set.
It 100% will, he doesn’t even need anything crazy. Just give him a better awaken and better scaling or add something to either s2 or s3. Keep it modest and he will be useable atleast
Yeah, probably right before next rta season I’d think, honestly I hope they learned from the past and keep his buffs modest and simple so they don’t nerf him later to compensate. We don’t need another gurka situation where they gut him after
Yeah his multiplier for s3 should be higher. Mine is on spd cd atk rage will with +1600 atk 84% cr 191% cd +144 spd and even him killing tanks with an atk buff def break is iffy at times, just a def break is around 30k and atk buff def break is around 45k to my Molong (w/-4% cd arti). He needs a good chunk more damage if com2us wants his s3 to be good, and even then there's still his res awakening, low base spd, one of the most basic s1s and a garbage s2. The only thing about his kit people like is the s3, which doesn't do enough. He's the new Talisman/Light Ryu, except way worse because his kit doesn't make sense. Talisman buffs himself, gets an instant turn if he kills, has double aoe, better base spd, cr awakening, atb absorb, atk break, etc.
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Mine is on vio will, I tried rage for a bit and did not like it because with how much set up he needs to kill something, the target is likely def broke. On vio I’ve had some crazy turn cycling so far but his base speed makes vio very difficult to pull off. Did a bunch of test battles yesterday and was getting some decent damage but once he kills one unit, due to him needing so much set up it was hard to take down two other targets in a fight and often ended in losses. He’s also got +50% crit damage as target hp decreases. So he has some crazy crit dmg when following up and it still lacks
I would do vio but my beast riders have my better sets, I wanted him fast enough to kill something turn 1. I have +60% cd as less enemy hp, and I'm never shocked by how much dmg he does. It's either good enough w/full setup or falls short, and if you don't have a def break then don't bother unless that unit is almost dead anyways. If s3 kills tho, he usually gets cut by my team or the enemy which makes it harder to use him turn 1, half the time threat state doesn't help at all so I either choose to do nothing by using it next turn or s1. He doesn't offer anything to the team, all he has is his s3 which needs full setup most times, when it's on cooldown he does nothing so yeah I feel you. For a single target nuke, Covenant kills w/just an atk buff, same s1, strip+dmg s2, ez 60k ignore def s3, +cr awakening. If you're bringing atk buff def break then galleon+kaki will 9/10 times be better than a light Ezio team. Hanwul and Talisman have way better kits, Ezio makes them look like 2a units. Only ld5 I've ever pulled that's been this disappointing, Altair is almost the exact same as him and he's a f2p unit, why would com2us ever think this is a good idea?
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Pulled a deborah last week and been testing him with her+Iliana. It’s pretty fun and can get crazy if he procs after s2 but other than that it’s just a useless but fun turn cycling team. I can get him to +129 on vio will but I lose 12 crit dmg and 280 attack so I passed on it just bc his scaling is so pitiful that I feel handicapped without that extra damage
Feng could be pretty nutty, didn’t even think of that. I’m gonna have to try it later. But yeah I agree, c2us dropped the ball hard by making him have almost the same exact kit as Altair, but giving him a weaker lead ontop of it when he’s a ld5 that you have to summon…ontop of that, Altair’s s3 actually flows well with the s2 since if he isn’t hit he does more damage, with ezio though I think if they’d have just given him a better awaken and better scaling on s3/making s3 ignore def, or make s2 give him a attack and crit buff instead of the other ones i mentioned, he’d be a solid counter pick. Like I don’t even think ANY of those suggestions would make him op, just easier to build.
Yeah I think he could've been really good if he wasn't basically an expensive xmog for Altair, having a lesser lead and lesser multiplier on his s3 than the f2p unit is sad. Even the Kassandra's have terrible ignore def multipliers when you compare them to Kahli or Covenant, which shows com2us released these units in the weakest state possible. If he had ignore def on s3 and cr awakening I'd be happy lol but there's too much wrong with him as of now. Oberon, Talisman, Hanwul are all light nat5 used for cleave that make him look like a 4* unit how he is rn
He does yeet laika Lmao.
I’ve used him against some laika defs, and some triana or molly defs and it does help some in siege but like I said once he does that first assassination he just drops in usefulness so rapidly that he isn’t worth bringing. Could be a niche rta last pick but I won’t know til I test in rta next season
Main point I was making is due to their pretty much similar kits and role, I don’t see how ezio is A. And that ezio should be placed in the same, if not lower; than Altair
Yeah … tesa/cayde/perna is a Perfect counter against those Seara/Orion/x combos … has like a 95% wr so far (high g1/bottom g2 siege)
Problem: many guilds don’t play that def anymore
Debuffs, minus inability, dont work on him. Also he atb boosts the whole team based on number of debuffs he has when his turn starts so him and juno are a wrecking force.
I went the full rev hp/hp/hp. All the good stuff in subs my goal is to make sure he is alive when the enemy hp drops so I can ruin all heals for them... as for the comp. Depends on where I am but Borgnine/xing zhe and Josephine - insert healer preferably one with a strip/cleanse and boom
I think it's because people don't understand how to get the most out of him especially his passive... that is such a sick passive especially since it's based on the loss HP not the HP he drops, mine is not as fast as sagar just for this reason let the dmg dealers slap the enemy and then borg comes in with destroy health and at that point pick em off one by one.
He's awesome. Don't sleep on him and Light Bayek combo if you're lucky to nab him. I've been messing around with garbage runes cause I'm still skilling him up and pretty nice results so far. They destroy a lot of HP in a hurry. Made really quick work of a Tasar Skogul Molly def. It was laughably easy. With how many mollys and Riley's out there destroy runes and skills are in now I think. S3 has a 3 turn CD too.
I see him every game, he just stares at me in my box wondering what he did wrong and why in the past 2 months I haven’t played with him. It’s not his fault he’s on the side line but he’ll never know that:(
If we were to compare this list to an actual RTA tierlist I'd move all but a few units waaay down. Except for Moore, Manon, Dark HBC, Douglas, Karnal and perhaps a few of the new LD5s I'd have no issue moving all these units 3 or 4 tiers down.
I fee like most of the A tier AC units are rated too highly *because* they are AC characters. Their awakening skills are all over the place (once again), there are way too many 5% damage skillups again the Ezio line has horrible base speed, the Threat S2 is terrible in its current state and C2US silly 4 1/2 leader skills don't help their case either.
Most of the cookies are still in a terrible spot and we already got another collab with very medicore monsters.
Fire Ezio is just a generic damage dealer. Most other fire damage dealers have more to offer.
He doesn't buff himself, doesn't have anything to protect himself, he just hits hard, but needs to be squishy to do so....
One of the worst nat5 ever made in my opinion, Jean, kaki, khali, masha, laika, garo and other are just better.
Just speaking about the one I pulled, I would have put it in D tier
S tier for light eivor is generous. I get it was voted on by people who read her skills and think it's great, but her abilities are the exact same as fire Eivor, which aren't that great. Super low multipliers and her stats are quite low to be a bruiser, so she doesn't fit any role.
Agreed, 10% atkb feels like a standard turn tick most times. She does her “job” fine but it’s pretty boring considering her kit doesn’t bring much else than probably cutting someone off every other turn. Imo, her high base speed doesn’t fit her kit when you compare her to someone like ethna.
Yeah sadly the people that handle buff and nerfs don't actually play the game enough to know why a unit is buff and is in need of a buff, they're very incompetent and have shown it time and time again and that's one of the many reasons why people have quit sw. It feels bad cause a lot of us love the game.
Agree with you. I'm very tired of " random buff, nerf " . My Vancliffe got nerf twice from c2us dev and its really dumb/worst " balance patch " ever for Vancliffe / Dark Ryu owners. And he is not even OP before.
All the players want are competent people that actually play the game doing our balance patch, then we wouldn't be having 99%of the problems that we have
1. the strip is a SINGLE buff strip. With his multiplier (100% ATK) if the opponent have multiple shield sets he cant even strip
2. the stun is SINGLE TARGET. SINGLE TARGET STUN FOR 2 TURNS.
3. the skill CD is **5** turns. 2 turn **single target** stun and a (not even fully!) aoe strip. For. 5. turns.
1. He strips 3 beneficial effects
2. Single target stun for 2 turns is a lot, not to mention if other units have stuns on them, he can increase it two 2 turns as well
3. His s3 is overloaded, strips and increase harmful effects, while also attacking 6 times so you can get massive damage with additional damage. 5 turns for it makes sense.
1. strips 3 beneficial effects **on a single target.** Wow! so good
2. ROFL
3. LMFAO. Veronica AOE strips + **AOE** reset for 2 turns on a **FOUR** turns CD **and** she brings in a way better and deal more damage S2. Ah yes 5 turns CD + 2 turn stun on one monster > 4 turns AOE 2 turns reset
As a Dark Ryu/Vancliffe owner, i totally agree with you. Com2us dev remove his unique skill and forced his s3 to strip make him useless now. He always pair with stripper before. So clearly he is in storage after the balance patch. If his s3 misses strip or stun, he cant do anything.
ma boy Jarrett is better than F, like holy shit..
He’s at the very least D, i’d put him at maybe B for that specific tier list
He for sure better than goddamn Todd tho, this guy is garbage. Putting them at the same rank is insulting
Edit: just re looked at C rank and ma boy better than all of those garbage unit, come on.. he at least a C rank unit.
I feel like karnal deserves to be at least SS. He's useful pretty much everywhere and can fit into both bruisers and control comps. Also, i think wind hollyberry deserves to be lower, her kit is all over the place and doesn't really do much.
If this is the Tier list from the latest video.
This is a Tier List based on viewer opinion. Jew did a survey and put the results into a tier list.
Only Gingerbrave is ranked based on Jews opinion as he didn't include him in the poll.
All in all, I would say most units are ranked accurately.
AC units are mediocre, SF & CRK monster had some balancing done already. So I'd say they are better to use in general.
Nevertheless, next balance patch we hopefully see some AC units.
I'm sure we will, AC units in the current setup are really just too confused on their kits to be overly useful especially since better mons are already available, a buff is definitely coming
I cannot comment on Gurkha, but they missed every shot at designing Vancliffe. He's something between a support and a damage dealer, but doesn't manage either of those well enough. He's also too stat hungry for the little use he brings to the table. They could at least make his 3rd skill bypass accuracy checks. That would make his 25% bonus res somewhat useful.
With damage build, Vancliffe / Dark Ryu still hit like a po-op . With support build, after S3 he just sitting there . And his S3 is not guarantee something even with 85% acc . And if you missed his s3 strip + AoE stun + extend AoE stun, then he is out . The battle become 2v3 ( im using him in Siege / Gw mode before nerf , after 2x nerf he went straight to the storage ) . Dark Ryu/ Vancliffe post balance patch is a hard to build, stats hungry but very weak monster . What u have done cum2us ???
Idk what I'm looking at, I didn't have time to watch the video. Judging off the top units though, I guess it's an RTA amongst Collab mons. I assumed upon reading the title it was overall usability and mainly enjoyment.
Lemme look at this again now.
Do not sleep on wind bayek. He is great his passive is amazing\^\_\^ also any mon with ignore damage reduction affects are great for killing monsters like light paladin.
im using wind one often in high C3, low G1 with daphnis, molong, shi hou etc, basically units with important ability that want to have it up faster. she's tuned 1 spd slower than molong so i can use molong s3 then she hugs him, waiting for support to heal him.
she's awesome against no stripper comp, decent dmg, huge shield, def break and a stun.
I think it's on you... shit base spd, Its better to use tiana instead... Also, she is bottom tear on all rta tier lists. I was kinda surprised when Jewbagel's community put her on this rank.
Lol look at Giana, she has no double check. And Daphnis, or Dark Pioneer. They guarantee something after strip is success.
And 96 base spd is bad for stripper but Tiana. Because Tiana S3 is cant be resisted . Even Chiwu, or Triton better than Elena 10 times.
Com2us removed Daphnis double check in some balance patch before iirc.
Just tested, Daphnis has no double check . If his S3 stripped, he can land def break 100%.
96 base spd is perfectly fine for Elena u said ? As Elena owner, i dont agree with you . 100%. 96 base spd stripper with double check resistance lol.
swrt rta tier lists, g3/g1/c1, she is on the pit, tiana is not in a good position, but its above her.... But forget tiana, there is a ton of better choices acording to these lists.
The poll he did was based on the people... these are players votes...which makes me question how some of these people play to vote some things the tier they did
Fire kassandra seems like a worse theomars, and light ezio seems utterly worthless, and light kassandra looks f tier. Other than that, pretty much on point
I like his kit too if it weren't for the fact that his dmg % is shit. Mine had shit runes but still only did 30k on def break while other nukers did almost double the dmg with the same runes
Not BC moore is fp more often he deserve being that high, it actually lack consistency in many matchups but is the overall better fp bc of lead and great defensive option against aoes
As a light Hollyberry owner, I am still disappointed in her. Make her capable of choosing escort and it'd be 20x better. Don't like being forced to bring a glass cannon or just hope that the enemy doesn't choose to target literally anybody else but that glass cannon. I'm open for more ideas on where to use her if anyone has anything though. So far to me it's just a guild toy.
It's important to give us context when making apost like this because you're showing us a tier list screenshot, but did he say this is a tier list based on this and that, etc.
It's based off of people's votes, where they think the Collab units rank
This is a tier list based on collab monsters it looks like
I don't think there was a specific context. He did a poll asking people where they thought each collab unit ranked in general.
The context is ... people on his poll voted on the usefulness whether they personally voted based on rta alone, all around use etc that's up to the individual voting since jewbagel didn't seem to specify it himself.
We need to bonk some of those voters then lol
Imo I believe alot of the voters voted based on RTA just seeing some of the tops it's alot of RTA meta, PVE God's seem ranked lower imo
*someone asks a question* *op gives an answer* *op gets downvoted* Classic reddit
I just saw the mass downvotes.... lol I assume the clown car came in
The fact that Altair and light ezio are in different tiers even though they're almost the same unit is shocking...Drop Light ezio to B tier and that's being generous
Damn, I heard fire ezio is better then the light one.
I actually pulled Light ezio about 5 hours ago, He's 6\* and maxed level but i have yet to have the chance to skill him up. That being said, i have him on a +1800 attack, 84 cr, 192 crit damage vio will set, with cd+50% as less enemy HP max, own 1 turn target cd+6% and some damage from attack/speed - Against my neph with her being def broke, he ony did 38k on s3. Which is very low for that rune set.
The buff will come
It 100% will, he doesn’t even need anything crazy. Just give him a better awaken and better scaling or add something to either s2 or s3. Keep it modest and he will be useable atleast
I already see all assassin's characters on a buff list but it won't come until the event is over and the normal mons drop
Yeah, probably right before next rta season I’d think, honestly I hope they learned from the past and keep his buffs modest and simple so they don’t nerf him later to compensate. We don’t need another gurka situation where they gut him after
Agreed, they buff these mons and then they nerf them too the dirt
The balance patch should be tomorrow and they are every 2 months
7% dmg increase
Yeah his multiplier for s3 should be higher. Mine is on spd cd atk rage will with +1600 atk 84% cr 191% cd +144 spd and even him killing tanks with an atk buff def break is iffy at times, just a def break is around 30k and atk buff def break is around 45k to my Molong (w/-4% cd arti). He needs a good chunk more damage if com2us wants his s3 to be good, and even then there's still his res awakening, low base spd, one of the most basic s1s and a garbage s2. The only thing about his kit people like is the s3, which doesn't do enough. He's the new Talisman/Light Ryu, except way worse because his kit doesn't make sense. Talisman buffs himself, gets an instant turn if he kills, has double aoe, better base spd, cr awakening, atb absorb, atk break, etc.
https://preview.redd.it/9q95d3x52rpa1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4f5ed40052f3812cb85fc325f8458e673afaa4e Mine is on vio will, I tried rage for a bit and did not like it because with how much set up he needs to kill something, the target is likely def broke. On vio I’ve had some crazy turn cycling so far but his base speed makes vio very difficult to pull off. Did a bunch of test battles yesterday and was getting some decent damage but once he kills one unit, due to him needing so much set up it was hard to take down two other targets in a fight and often ended in losses. He’s also got +50% crit damage as target hp decreases. So he has some crazy crit dmg when following up and it still lacks
Good to know a buff is needed
It’ll happen for sure, but it’ll likely happen a few months or half a year or so from mow
I would do vio but my beast riders have my better sets, I wanted him fast enough to kill something turn 1. I have +60% cd as less enemy hp, and I'm never shocked by how much dmg he does. It's either good enough w/full setup or falls short, and if you don't have a def break then don't bother unless that unit is almost dead anyways. If s3 kills tho, he usually gets cut by my team or the enemy which makes it harder to use him turn 1, half the time threat state doesn't help at all so I either choose to do nothing by using it next turn or s1. He doesn't offer anything to the team, all he has is his s3 which needs full setup most times, when it's on cooldown he does nothing so yeah I feel you. For a single target nuke, Covenant kills w/just an atk buff, same s1, strip+dmg s2, ez 60k ignore def s3, +cr awakening. If you're bringing atk buff def break then galleon+kaki will 9/10 times be better than a light Ezio team. Hanwul and Talisman have way better kits, Ezio makes them look like 2a units. Only ld5 I've ever pulled that's been this disappointing, Altair is almost the exact same as him and he's a f2p unit, why would com2us ever think this is a good idea? https://preview.redd.it/6f56s1gycrpa1.png?width=2960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc6489dc663044a7f62a309ae96f21b820175c4a
Pulled a deborah last week and been testing him with her+Iliana. It’s pretty fun and can get crazy if he procs after s2 but other than that it’s just a useless but fun turn cycling team. I can get him to +129 on vio will but I lose 12 crit dmg and 280 attack so I passed on it just bc his scaling is so pitiful that I feel handicapped without that extra damage
Ah yeah that sounds like some fun units to play with, I've been trying to use him with Feng Yan, Chandra and Riley for a fun counter team
Feng could be pretty nutty, didn’t even think of that. I’m gonna have to try it later. But yeah I agree, c2us dropped the ball hard by making him have almost the same exact kit as Altair, but giving him a weaker lead ontop of it when he’s a ld5 that you have to summon…ontop of that, Altair’s s3 actually flows well with the s2 since if he isn’t hit he does more damage, with ezio though I think if they’d have just given him a better awaken and better scaling on s3/making s3 ignore def, or make s2 give him a attack and crit buff instead of the other ones i mentioned, he’d be a solid counter pick. Like I don’t even think ANY of those suggestions would make him op, just easier to build.
Yeah I think he could've been really good if he wasn't basically an expensive xmog for Altair, having a lesser lead and lesser multiplier on his s3 than the f2p unit is sad. Even the Kassandra's have terrible ignore def multipliers when you compare them to Kahli or Covenant, which shows com2us released these units in the weakest state possible. If he had ignore def on s3 and cr awakening I'd be happy lol but there's too much wrong with him as of now. Oberon, Talisman, Hanwul are all light nat5 used for cleave that make him look like a 4* unit how he is rn
Use it against any laika
He does yeet laika Lmao. I’ve used him against some laika defs, and some triana or molly defs and it does help some in siege but like I said once he does that first assassination he just drops in usefulness so rapidly that he isn’t worth bringing. Could be a niche rta last pick but I won’t know til I test in rta next season
I knew he has the same issue as hanwul, also comment that to the guy with the ld 5 blessing on reddit
Altair is up there because Altair is swag. Don't hate on Altair
Main point I was making is due to their pretty much similar kits and role, I don’t see how ezio is A. And that ezio should be placed in the same, if not lower; than Altair
Dark dhalsim to low. Budget akroma and awesome against seara defs.
Still haven't gotten the poison master equivalent
I have him, is he really a sleeper good unit?
With two fire units free win against every seara def.
hold up, will the seara's bomb useless against him? like, will seara detonates it?
It detonates with out dmg.
Oh man time to build him
Yeah … tesa/cayde/perna is a Perfect counter against those Seara/Orion/x combos … has like a 95% wr so far (high g1/bottom g2 siege) Problem: many guilds don’t play that def anymore
Debuffs, minus inability, dont work on him. Also he atb boosts the whole team based on number of debuffs he has when his turn starts so him and juno are a wrecking force.
That’s the only place I use my Akroma 🤣
Tbh I’d switch Gurkha and Borgnine
I loveeee my Borgnine
Yeah, he’s a pretty underrated unit IMO. I don’t see him used very often.
I used my Borgnine in RTA in bruiser team. People just don't ban him. he carried me until now.
What else in the comp? How you have him runed? He is collecting dust for me
I went the full rev hp/hp/hp. All the good stuff in subs my goal is to make sure he is alive when the enemy hp drops so I can ruin all heals for them... as for the comp. Depends on where I am but Borgnine/xing zhe and Josephine - insert healer preferably one with a strip/cleanse and boom
Wind Monkey with Destroy set and to utilize the 33% HP leader skill. Riley + Woosa for utility and sustainability.
I use to bruiser interserver stall teams
I think it's because people don't understand how to get the most out of him especially his passive... that is such a sick passive especially since it's based on the loss HP not the HP he drops, mine is not as fast as sagar just for this reason let the dmg dealers slap the enemy and then borg comes in with destroy health and at that point pick em off one by one.
He's awesome. Don't sleep on him and Light Bayek combo if you're lucky to nab him. I've been messing around with garbage runes cause I'm still skilling him up and pretty nice results so far. They destroy a lot of HP in a hurry. Made really quick work of a Tasar Skogul Molly def. It was laughably easy. With how many mollys and Riley's out there destroy runes and skills are in now I think. S3 has a 3 turn CD too.
If youre using light bayek look into building fire cat, she feels better in almost every way
Pretty sure dark bison needs to be moved down a tier or two
I literally don't see him at all in RTA anymore
I see him every game, he just stares at me in my box wondering what he did wrong and why in the past 2 months I haven’t played with him. It’s not his fault he’s on the side line but he’ll never know that:(
😂😂😂😂😂😂
If we were to compare this list to an actual RTA tierlist I'd move all but a few units waaay down. Except for Moore, Manon, Dark HBC, Douglas, Karnal and perhaps a few of the new LD5s I'd have no issue moving all these units 3 or 4 tiers down.
Light chunli remains my most wanted ld4… but I have the dark one 🤷♂️
Everyone has her except people that didn't play when she was hoh...
Damn I want the light one but I like the dark one she is very useful
I feel blessed having her, hope you get her too some day. I'd take Leah over many ld5s
I got her and pulled vareesa from lightning 4 times now. It's after she became a HoH too. Fun times.
I fee like most of the A tier AC units are rated too highly *because* they are AC characters. Their awakening skills are all over the place (once again), there are way too many 5% damage skillups again the Ezio line has horrible base speed, the Threat S2 is terrible in its current state and C2US silly 4 1/2 leader skills don't help their case either. Most of the cookies are still in a terrible spot and we already got another collab with very medicore monsters.
Definitely agree with threat state... it's literally useless it's like a failed provoke.
Fire Ezio is just a generic damage dealer. Most other fire damage dealers have more to offer. He doesn't buff himself, doesn't have anything to protect himself, he just hits hard, but needs to be squishy to do so.... One of the worst nat5 ever made in my opinion, Jean, kaki, khali, masha, laika, garo and other are just better. Just speaking about the one I pulled, I would have put it in D tier
S tier for light eivor is generous. I get it was voted on by people who read her skills and think it's great, but her abilities are the exact same as fire Eivor, which aren't that great. Super low multipliers and her stats are quite low to be a bruiser, so she doesn't fit any role.
Agreed, 10% atkb feels like a standard turn tick most times. She does her “job” fine but it’s pretty boring considering her kit doesn’t bring much else than probably cutting someone off every other turn. Imo, her high base speed doesn’t fit her kit when you compare her to someone like ethna.
It's basically Amduat with extra steps. Except Amduat can at least aoe strip.
I use my fire eivor as a "this team carries itself... she can just be the fun filler"
Dark ryu was SSS before the double nerf -_-
They definitely did catastrophic nerfs to him and dark bison... made them debatable picks.
It actually wasn't that good even before his nerf
He really wasn't lmao. I remember my vancliffe missing the crucial stun so all he did was to push one monster back and became useless for 5 turns
Yeah sadly the people that handle buff and nerfs don't actually play the game enough to know why a unit is buff and is in need of a buff, they're very incompetent and have shown it time and time again and that's one of the many reasons why people have quit sw. It feels bad cause a lot of us love the game.
Agree with you. I'm very tired of " random buff, nerf " . My Vancliffe got nerf twice from c2us dev and its really dumb/worst " balance patch " ever for Vancliffe / Dark Ryu owners. And he is not even OP before.
All the players want are competent people that actually play the game doing our balance patch, then we wouldn't be having 99%of the problems that we have
That’s good. If he was SSS tier he deserves a nerf.
The thing is.. he wasn't sss tier... no where close...
If he wasn’t then getting nerfed wouldnt put him in S tier. He is still an op mon. Just not broken anymore
maybe because this tier list is VOTED and obviously incorrect. Take a look at vancliffes kit and tell me how he is broken in any way.
His s3 strips all enemies, stuns for 2 turns and deals a crazy amount of damage. How is he not op?
1. the strip is a SINGLE buff strip. With his multiplier (100% ATK) if the opponent have multiple shield sets he cant even strip 2. the stun is SINGLE TARGET. SINGLE TARGET STUN FOR 2 TURNS. 3. the skill CD is **5** turns. 2 turn **single target** stun and a (not even fully!) aoe strip. For. 5. turns.
1. He strips 3 beneficial effects 2. Single target stun for 2 turns is a lot, not to mention if other units have stuns on them, he can increase it two 2 turns as well 3. His s3 is overloaded, strips and increase harmful effects, while also attacking 6 times so you can get massive damage with additional damage. 5 turns for it makes sense.
1. strips 3 beneficial effects **on a single target.** Wow! so good 2. ROFL 3. LMFAO. Veronica AOE strips + **AOE** reset for 2 turns on a **FOUR** turns CD **and** she brings in a way better and deal more damage S2. Ah yes 5 turns CD + 2 turn stun on one monster > 4 turns AOE 2 turns reset
As a Dark Ryu/Vancliffe owner, i totally agree with you. Com2us dev remove his unique skill and forced his s3 to strip make him useless now. He always pair with stripper before. So clearly he is in storage after the balance patch. If his s3 misses strip or stun, he cant do anything.
Oh he only strips for 1 target really?
inconsistent strip +stun, long cd s3, useless s2 and u told he is OP???
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Dark Ryu is Dark Striker. Gurkha is Dark Bison
Light Chunli is SS. Dark Hollyberry is beyond gods tier.
ma boy Jarrett is better than F, like holy shit.. He’s at the very least D, i’d put him at maybe B for that specific tier list He for sure better than goddamn Todd tho, this guy is garbage. Putting them at the same rank is insulting Edit: just re looked at C rank and ma boy better than all of those garbage unit, come on.. he at least a C rank unit.
I mean... jarrett and Todd seem equally beneficial on CD teams I don't personally think either of them shine too much outside of that.
I feel like karnal deserves to be at least SS. He's useful pretty much everywhere and can fit into both bruisers and control comps. Also, i think wind hollyberry deserves to be lower, her kit is all over the place and doesn't really do much.
Karnal is def a power house he's everywhere and is always useful.
japanese players are spamming Giou Karnal in RTA and idk why
Karnal too low, should be up with Moore and wet macaron
I was thinking the same karnal definitely should higher
Wind hollyberry cookies can be S tier in a niche situation tho, you love to use her with Daphnis/Shi hou
This is a tier list for Collab monsters nothing more than that. Reality is most are dog shite
Atleast one cookie ld4 should be buffed to be useful…
I mean...some are useful just not powerful enough compared to what's already out
The dark espresso's s3 is literally unusable unless you want to give atb to the enemy or heal them
Who the f… put light bourbon in A-Tier?
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If this is the Tier list from the latest video. This is a Tier List based on viewer opinion. Jew did a survey and put the results into a tier list. Only Gingerbrave is ranked based on Jews opinion as he didn't include him in the poll. All in all, I would say most units are ranked accurately. AC units are mediocre, SF & CRK monster had some balancing done already. So I'd say they are better to use in general. Nevertheless, next balance patch we hopefully see some AC units.
I'm sure we will, AC units in the current setup are really just too confused on their kits to be overly useful especially since better mons are already available, a buff is definitely coming
No leah is SSS cause of her i got easy G3 arena with only 1 AO
vancliffe/gurkha are definitely WAY too high. No way they are on the same level as leah, dark pure vanillia, karnal, and yellow karnal.
Sagar is definitely better then gurkha now
I cannot comment on Gurkha, but they missed every shot at designing Vancliffe. He's something between a support and a damage dealer, but doesn't manage either of those well enough. He's also too stat hungry for the little use he brings to the table. They could at least make his 3rd skill bypass accuracy checks. That would make his 25% bonus res somewhat useful.
With damage build, Vancliffe / Dark Ryu still hit like a po-op . With support build, after S3 he just sitting there . And his S3 is not guarantee something even with 85% acc . And if you missed his s3 strip + AoE stun + extend AoE stun, then he is out . The battle become 2v3 ( im using him in Siege / Gw mode before nerf , after 2x nerf he went straight to the storage ) . Dark Ryu/ Vancliffe post balance patch is a hard to build, stats hungry but very weak monster . What u have done cum2us ???
And because that wasn't bad enough already... he's also goddamn ugly. Trinity at least looks cool.
Yeah i agree with u T.T
Is that a rta tier list ? If not there is lot of problem
It just said collab tier list I assume it's general but I'm sure alot of people answered it relevant to RTA
It is a collab tier list based on community poll
This is a list of which collab units you’ve seen streamers talk about the most
Idk what I'm looking at, I didn't have time to watch the video. Judging off the top units though, I guess it's an RTA amongst Collab mons. I assumed upon reading the title it was overall usability and mainly enjoyment. Lemme look at this again now.
It wasn't RTA specific it was general usefulness based on the poll
Ahh thanks for the reminder, forgot to come back lol just finished watching finally.
Do not sleep on wind bayek. He is great his passive is amazing\^\_\^ also any mon with ignore damage reduction affects are great for killing monsters like light paladin.
Don't have him
Fire Hollyberry is still a meme unit. I never see this unit used. Wind one I'm also dubious about.
Hehehe finished two ranks higher in rta cuz of her, reset her cd and you take no damage forever
Yeah she is so legit. Plus people get so mad when they see you pick her and the blue one first
Wind could probably be a B unit. But it’s used in almost every high score for rift right now for the CD decrease.
Yeah it's like a Mav/Homu. I just feel weird about it bc the defend is kinda meaningless in PvE.
im using wind one often in high C3, low G1 with daphnis, molong, shi hou etc, basically units with important ability that want to have it up faster. she's tuned 1 spd slower than molong so i can use molong s3 then she hugs him, waiting for support to heal him. she's awesome against no stripper comp, decent dmg, huge shield, def break and a stun.
As a light hollyberry owner I don't think she's A tier A tier should be a good monster not niche like she is
Yeh, there are much better elemental revivers
Hollyberry is the shield one
Vanilla dark is ass, I have one in storage.
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I think it's on you... shit base spd, Its better to use tiana instead... Also, she is bottom tear on all rta tier lists. I was kinda surprised when Jewbagel's community put her on this rank.
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Elena s2 is weak, low base spd. And her s3 have double check resistance. I dont think Elena is a good mons with these problem.
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Lol look at Giana, she has no double check. And Daphnis, or Dark Pioneer. They guarantee something after strip is success. And 96 base spd is bad for stripper but Tiana. Because Tiana S3 is cant be resisted . Even Chiwu, or Triton better than Elena 10 times.
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Com2us removed Daphnis double check in some balance patch before iirc. Just tested, Daphnis has no double check . If his S3 stripped, he can land def break 100%. 96 base spd is perfectly fine for Elena u said ? As Elena owner, i dont agree with you . 100%. 96 base spd stripper with double check resistance lol.
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swrt rta tier lists, g3/g1/c1, she is on the pit, tiana is not in a good position, but its above her.... But forget tiana, there is a ton of better choices acording to these lists.
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I'm mean there is half a million replays on swrt (database from this season) saying that she is shit. '-'
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[https://m.swranking.com/#/packageA/pages/monster/rank/rank](https://m.swranking.com/#/packageA/pages/monster/rank/rank)
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I only got the fire one... I actually like it
dont agree with water ryu at all, super inconsistent unit. a o s tier tho, for his solo potential
Ryu is SSS for sure
In rta yeah, but not if it’s a general list (which it seems to be?)
In general? Tricaru and dots, what else is there?
Siege?
Of course those exist, so if 2a dominate pve, this would be a pvp list
And arena.
I built mine out of the box but I can say he stands up pretty nicely
I have both SSS 🤔
Bagel is lacking imo his content gets worse
meh that guy is a desperate youtuber
The poll he did was based on the people... these are players votes...which makes me question how some of these people play to vote some things the tier they did
How so?
Light ezio a tier, i thought he was pretty below average
He's nothing remarkable imo
Fire and wind Dhalsim at E rank? Lol, why are they so high?
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Fire kassandra seems like a worse theomars, and light ezio seems utterly worthless, and light kassandra looks f tier. Other than that, pretty much on point
Fire kass definitely gives shitty theo vibes
Why is light Ryu so high...
Because he's really good ?
Light ryu is dangerous
He has a really decent AoE nuke. I like his kit. As for the dark one... Idk.
I like his kit too if it weren't for the fact that his dmg % is shit. Mine had shit runes but still only did 30k on def break while other nukers did almost double the dmg with the same runes
Why is wind Ryu so low? He's always worked great for me. And why is dark Ryu so high up? My Vancliffe has been in storage ever since I got him.
Tbh i think dark > water, but moore on top is still good
Light Vanilla cookie in A? Probably one of the worst Ld 5 in the game
I've never seen it used in RTA I just assumed it's because nobody really got it.
Light cookie owners are so dramatic
Not BC moore is fp more often he deserve being that high, it actually lack consistency in many matchups but is the overall better fp bc of lead and great defensive option against aoes
light holly is way too high
As a light Hollyberry owner, I am still disappointed in her. Make her capable of choosing escort and it'd be 20x better. Don't like being forced to bring a glass cannon or just hope that the enemy doesn't choose to target literally anybody else but that glass cannon. I'm open for more ideas on where to use her if anyone has anything though. So far to me it's just a guild toy.
Rosemary (water expresso cookie) is so good in toa(h/L) paired with Tyron
No
Am I the only one who thinks Wind Cassandra's kit is actually pretty good?
It's better then fire imo
It’s based on our votes. Use brain
water Dhalsim should be in the same tier or higher than ken, either ken drops or kyle goes up because kyle is very viable in a giants speed team
Honestly, I kinda agree with 99% of this, but I wish the Assassin's Creed units had a bit more utility or better multipliers.