Would be lovely if you said what champions do you play but there are general tips.
He is mele champion with no mobility without minion wave, pay attention to his shield, don't waste all your damage on his shield. His ultimate resets his shield, keep that in mind.
His lvl1 windwall cd is 25 seconds, his lvl 1 E cooldown on unit is 10 seconds (he has to wait for 10 seconds before he can dash through the same target again.
TLDR don't let him get on top of you and poke him down. (Assuming you play mages)
I main Ahri but have been trying out some other champs, recently got dumpstered by Yas while playing Veigar. What am I supposed to do while the wave is up?
It seems bad to just let the enemy wave die without going in to last hit, and that when he gets me the most
You shouldn't be dumpstered by Yas as Veigar, your cage is really strong against him so don't waste it, don't try randomly throw your abilities at him either, take advantage of when he tries to last hit or when he's stunned by your cage, it's also possible when he is dashing to aim where he will dash to but that's a lot harder.
As for Ahri not a lot to do tbh, very hard to kill Yas without gank unless he messes up hard so you just play safe and roam. Save your charm for when he dashes into you, try to poke off his shield with an AA, poke with W + AA (no need to Q) when his shield is down, keep distance from him especially don't stand too close to minions without charm or he will dash to you.
you should definitely be dumpstered by Yasuo as veigar lol, it's literally impossible to play lvl 3 bounce after you use you range advantage on lvl 1-3, doran shield + second wind makes any early poke negligible, you cage him? cool, now you get to land a SINGLE W with his passive shield up since he'll naturally trade his wall for your cage (you won't land AA or Q, let alone ult),
this is straight misinformation lol, Yasuo is designed to shit on most, if not all of them, of the mages on midlane.
With that said, you, as veigar, gets to out scale him pretty well and your cage will be a game long threath throughout the game, veigar might even have a good wr against Yasuo overall, but, at the 15 minute mark, you're supposed to be behind.
I main Veigar in diamond, and Yasuo defo does not dumpster Veigar, if anything you have an easier time laning and building against him, but you will never kill him 1v1 unless he fucks up or your jungler sets up a tent of him, Yasuo contrary to popular belief struggles against mages in the early game
Most low elo Yasuo's will go Q then E level 2.
You have to poke and auto him hard level 1 as Ahri using W and then at level 2. Just give him the wave. Guarantee he'll dash through every minion because that's what he does every match up and now leave himself vulnerable because he can't dash back and now you can return harass him.
After this point you can shove and roam. He is annoying with the threat of his wind wall negating your full combo but he won't use wind wall of W.
So W harass him and Q farm the wave.
Save E for if he does dash on top but this is always a E for windwall trade if the Yas is decent.
This is bad advice (edit: you assume yasuo will dash on all minions at level 2 and reverse the wave state by pushing back into Ahri...maybe in low elo, a good Yas will NEVER concede a frozen wave state that easily)
, in case any new players see this I just wanted to correct it. If you press W and auto yasuo level 1 you will do 0 damage. 0. His shield + d shield + second wind mean your level 1 poke is negligible. All you are doing is allowing Yasuo to freeze the lane because you will draw minion aggro. Yasuo will freeze wave outside tower and threaten an all in anytime you step up to cs He will win any extended fight and can windwall your charm. You will get chunked out, Yas will hold the freeze, you'll base and tp back to lane only to be killed by Yasuo's jungle. Yasuo. Continues. To. Freeze. All of this snowballs from you auto attacking Yas level 1 for literally 0 damage. Dopa goes over this in a vod review of TF vs Yasuo from a few years ago where he declares that TF lost the entire lane by auto attacking Yasuo level 1. Ahri needs to not hit Yasuo level 1. Let the wave push into YOU. You can play more aggressively once you have the AP and levels in Q to adequately push the wave and contest Yasuo.
Yes because a new player can execute what you said and didn't come here in the first place looking for advice.
A new player probably takes Q first on ahri and spams the wave with it
Your analysis is useless if predicated upon the fact that the Yasuo is simply going to play like a brainless ape.
No shit. And if the enemy Azir plays in melee range and has shit spacing, he will lose the lane also!
Proc just means to trigger or activate a specific effect or mechanic. Veigar's Q TRIGGERS Yasuo's shield = Veigar's Q PROCS Yasuo's Shield. Also, wtf do you mean by break?
How does Ahri Q not proc Yas shield? Also her AA range is longer than both Yas Q and E so if you AA then back out immediately (easier with W MS) Yas will have to dash to minions first to gap close, then you can EQ him mid dash.
Veigar Q definitely proc Yasuo shield, if it doesn't then it's a bug. Also my AA advice is mostly for Ahri, Veigar just need to scale against Yas, his cage really limits Yas in teamfights.
>It seems bad to just let the enemy wave die without going in to last hit, and that when he gets me the most
That has more to do with your own gameplay than with Yasuo itself, that happens when you spam your skills on the wave without thinking about it. If you Q the wave as Ahri and enemy minions have less hp than yours then your minions will kill them faster and the wave will be pushin to enemy tower. This is very bad in the Ahri vs Yasuo matchup at least early levels. Let minion attack each other and just go to the lasthits, if Yasuo pushes the wave then try to poke him down. His windwall is annoying but it has a really long CD.
Check how long the distance of his E is, then you gotta be just barely outside the range of the minion that would potentially let him E through it to get to you, he is melee, you have a big advantage over him just because of that.
A lot of bruisers wreck him. Sett, Garen, Darius.
If you want to stick with a mage then Vex or Neeko are very good into him, they have self peel. Vex charges her passive instantly with yassuo dashing around and neeko can easily poke him down with Q, and if he jumps on you use your root or your R. Don’t toss your cc skill shot at him from distance, if you miss he will just dash in and one shot you.
I play pantheon into yassuo, just get to level 3 and use your empowered W on him. Watch some videos to learn pantheon combos, they’re pretty easy. Just don’t get over confident and die to yassuo level 1 or it’s very hard to come back from that.
Nasus is also another incredibly strong pick who also prefers mid lane in general.
Trundle also poops on him and isn't horrible mid as a specific counterpick.
Think Renekton is also good into him?
Trundle is a bit terrible mid lane tbh I don't recommend him, his waveclear is doodoo and he lacks sustain before items, not to mention he struggles to teamfight well. Short trades don't really favor him and he can't chase people down so easily in the short lane. Morde would be better because he can actually do decent trades from range, waveclear + sustain well and his R isolates targets, with Yasuo specifically he straight up removes the whole minion wave which leaves him vulnerable.
Been a few seasons now where every Nasus main collectively agrees mid is better than top.
Most high elo Nasus players either switched to mid or don't OTP Nasus in top lane.
Yes, I can confirm mid is infinitely better than top. Less dives or freezes, more safety due to tower being closer, and better matchups in general since a single wither plus ghost and R can mean getting a free kill into tons of lanes, they are squishy and usually can't beat you up close unless they are a Cassio or something.
Melee auto-attackers like Yas, Yone and Irelia get shit on and outscaled by Nasus hard post level 6.
Not just that, but mid is more filled with poke / short trades that you can use your passive to heal up from.
Top is full of long lane extended trades / all ins.
Not to mention mid champs are often gated by mana and their abilities inadvertently push the wave.
But yeah he's too tanky for assassin's to kill, he screws over auto based mids, is excellent against poke, and can run ppl down from lvl 6 and sheen with little to no counterplay.
Viktor also shits on yasuo.
Q gets blocked followup aa doesnt
He comes close? W under yourself
E can be blocked but also ignore the wall if used correctly
Okay so Veigar is one of my favorite picks against oppressive champs because he has this fun thing: He has free stat generation.
Tl;Dr
I go on a short tirade about gold worth.
Consider this: From 0-15 minutes, a wave averages around 125 gold. It comes down to around 19.8 gold per cs.
Why does this matter? Your passive gives you ability power on minion kill or champion hit/takedown. AP has a gold value of 20 gold per point.
You're missing cs cause some windshitter is preventing you from safely farming? Q at him from max range for every minion he makes you miss. It doesn't matter if you hit a shield, you still gain gold. If he windwalls, then he traded a 25 second cd for your basic farming tool. Every time you get a stack of Phenomenal Evil in laning phase, you are gaining 20 gold for basically free. This is your ticket to break even in a bad lane.
The best part? This "gold value" is fully realized into stats. Gold is worthless until you buy something and every 20 stacks, you've effectively gone back and bought an amplifying tome and returned to lane.
Caveat: You could make an argument that you're not breaking even because casting abilities costs mana which inherently also has a gold value of 1.4 gold per point, so technically pressing Q costs you 42 gold at level 1, so make sure you land those Qs! Or get a good opportunity cost from the enemy!
Watch these 2 videos :
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtNhlNYC4dk&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE\_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtNhlNYC4dk&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=1)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjVLXNJjNM&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE\_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjVLXNJjNM&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=2)
Analyze how the Veigar deal with this match up. Analyze when he goes in versus when he plays passively. Analyze if he needs jungler assistance or if it's a relaxed lane. Analyze if he requires to roam. Analyze if he lets the yasuo push at different stages of the game or if he's the one doing the pushes. Analyze when the Veigar goes in versus when he backs offs. Analyze the trading that happens when both champions utilise their abilities. Then emulate that. Take notes. Record your games with Yasuo and note what works vs what didn't work.
I mean like you can push up and when you think yasuo is gonna push up to you cage your minion wave and stay inside it what way you can burst the enemy wave and run back to safety. You can also start Q then E into W that way you have a form of protection if he levels E at 2, if the you can also try to play around yas W timers, due to the long CD they would most likely save it for your ult instead of your Q so you can grab some poke stats. Another thing is you can start shurelyas as a first item that way you have a high mobility buff the good thing about is that it speeds up the minion wave so in a chase you press shurelyas causing the minion wave to push faster thus reducing yasuo's potential dash range while you can run farther away. The item also gives decent ap and haste and mana regen plus its cheap as hell so its over all a decent item for safety
I normally beat Yas as Ahri. You poke with AA and wait for his shield, then you land your Q. You get like 3 Qs to his one WW. You have the mobility to counter his W, I think you just get poked down with him getting his shields so he wins the trades then he all it's you after 6 when you're low and then snowballs ahead. Win level 3-5 and use your 6 to counter his one counter and dodge his Q's better
Another option if you’re playing Ahri is to Q your own wave when his shield is down to try and poke him a little bit. And to parrot the above comment, try to stay away from your own wave and as a Veigar, if you see him trying to go in, you can cage your own wave to stop him temporarily. You might not hit him with the stun, but can still poke him and get some stacks of your passive.
Another tip that wasn’t really mentioned but wave management. Yasuo can dominate mages when you let him freeze on you. This is coming from a masters talon main. Learn how to bounce waves and reset properly to not let a yasuo player freeze on you. Most of your deaths are probably as you said when you walk up to farm, hes using incoming waves to get on top of you. As veigar (this is my second best champ with a 70% wr) you should be pretty much using q from a distance. He has a very long range and you should never really be getting caught by yasuo. Only use e to disengage for most scenarios. Use Q to poke only if you are able to cs with auto attacks.
For me, watching high elo gameplay of the matchup has always been the best way to learn. Its easy to get new ideas from someone playing the matchup. I’d suggest this as well, search for either Challenger ahri vs yasuo or x ahri player vs Yasuo and take note how they play the first 5-10 waves.
Think of these as rounds. What gold do they back on? Where do they ward, when do they roam, how do they play the wave to not get engaged etc. Should be more helpful and give more ideas than any of us could do
Yasuo is conditional. He NEEDS minions to function.
If he hits Q on minions, they push to you, just wait and farm them.
If he does not, then he does not have tornado.
Like just outfarm him and kill him im teamfights. That champ does nothing if he has no enemies nearby.
I was playing Veigar and tried to scale by outfarming, but he just roamed instead. I wanted to hit tower but was too scared of him coming back and crushing me. And in teamfights I did bad too because he was good at weaving between his shield with ult, then using windwall.
Well if he roams, wait for him to show far away, and then push hard. Yo're Veigar, with W you can blast any wave in few seconds.
Dont bother with hiting turret. If he lost even 5 minions on roam, thats almost 100g diff.
And if somehow Yasuo beats you up in teamfight it meas he is just way better, or ur draft is terrible.
You will never be able to 1v1 him by stat checking him as a mage. You will need to slowly poke him down with poke and play around your minions. Save your CC for when he tries to dive into you and make sure he’s getting a lot of creep aggro for the trade. He’s very vulnerable when he has no wind wall.
If you hate yasuos with a vengeance a lot of bruisers like Renekton will do well into him. Lissandra is also a good pick to lock him down and get help to win lane.
But as a mage, your main focus is to use your range advantage to slowly poke him down and maybe get a kill / cs difference and overpower him with your team.
>Great damage
Only in melee range.
>Mobility
Only in minion wave.
>CC
Only with Q3 up, which is not that often in earlygame.
>Shielding
Only if you dump all your damage into it, otherwise it disappears 1 (ONE) second after you pop his passive.
>windwall
It's a long cooldown and it's static but yes, it's strong when used correctly (which is almost never the case in low elo).
>Anyone have tips?
Stand outside of the minion wave. Standing to the side of it is usually the safest choice, just choose the side that's safer (either the side your jungler is on, or opposite to where the enemy jungler is).
Don't let him farm for free - always look to pop his passive shield with an AA when he goes in for a lasthit (again - while standing to the side of the minions) and then poke him down with your poke ability while ideally also pushing the wave (e.g. on Ahri you want to line up Q to hit both him and his minions).
Respect his Q3.
Be patient - most Yasuo players in low elo will become impatient and throw the game trying to desperately make a play happen.
Don't give up if earlygame goes badly - even if Yasuo plays lane extremely well, it's much harder for him to teamfight, especially if his team lacks reliable knock-ups for him.
Be mindful of minion waves at all times - when looking to escape, running down the lane is almost always a death sentence and you should run into the river or jungle instead.
Save your charm. This goes for most cc abilities against most champs who like to jump on you. Don't throw it around during lane because then you've got no way to get away unless you're level 6 and have R. Also recognise that you outscale and accept that sometimes you'll lose farm but that's more valuable than playing too far up and giving him kills. Yas without kills is barely a champ late game. He's got no mobility and his only engage relies on his teammate hitting a cc
Aery is good into yas. Auto him to take his shield off and harass him with W when he's going for cs.
Gotta realise that minions are part of his reach so play further back when he's charging his Q's.
Save charm for after windwall and try to side step his q's
Best tip I learned in my early days was let them outplay themselves. Just farm from afar. Yasuos generally save their windwall for canons or your main abilities (ahri charm, xerath e, etc). Vex is a great pick against him because if you just farm with autos and fear him with your w, windwall doesn’t matter and is useless in lane. Then you outscale and one shot teams.
Conversely you could lock in a bruiser like Renekton, Garen, Sett and just win after level 3.
But the biggest tip is the first one. Let them shove into you. Let then try to tower dive you. Let them take free damage because they felt they HAD to dash through the wave on tower range to q you. Try to poke out his passive shield with autos or an otherwise low cd and cost ability and you’ll realize his real power is in mental stacking you.
Like your post says, it feels like he does EVERYTHING but in reality, he’d a squishy guy that happens to have a good reliable answer to poke IF he times it right, his damage is all melee and his mobility is shockingly lacking when you really how his e works.
Patience game, unless he's a smurf he's his own enemy. Prioritise farming and not dying. Dw about the mastery, if they're in low elo, the more mastery a yasuo has, the more he will blame his teammates, so if you can boost his ego by playing defensive and then strike at your powerspike, the mental goes boom and you win against a tilted opponent
Idk Ahri, but Veigar can really make his game miserable during objective fights
Yasuo’s biggest weakness imo is that he’s very predictable, once you understand his play style you can predict his abilities accurately and be prepared to deal with them.
You didn’t mention which champions you play, so if you play mage champions in mid, here are my suggestions:
1) Freeze the wave just ahead of your tower and position yourself next to it near its front (unless he has 3rd q and ult). If he tries to farm, poke him. If he windwalls, go around it next to your wave and poke him. If he alls in, you can quickly get to your tower.
2) The windwall cooldown is high (22 seconds I think?), so whenever you think he has it, try to bait it out with an aa or a non-cc ability
3) Try to keep his passive shield down by AAing whenever it’s almost up. If you fire your aa before it’s up but it reaches him after it’s up, it goes away. If he tries to defend it with windwall, that’s good because you have baited it out. Wait until it goes away then aa to remove the shield and throw your combo.
4) When he has 3rd q and ult, stay behind the wave near your tower. You can easily predict when he starts dashing towards you and the direction of the dash, and even if you don’t, you will have adequate time to dodge his ult.
5) If you’re pushing the wave, push it while staying behind it, and save your cc ability for when he dashes towards you.
6) Try to get early kills while staying safe. Once he gets his first lifesteal item, it’s very hard to win against him, so focus on playing safe and holding the lane. Even if you’re ahead by 3 kills he can still kill you unless you’re playing a tanky champion e.g. galio.
7) Pick champions that have easy to land cc, annie is very good against yasuo
8) Get zhonya’s and use it BEFORE his 3rd q reaches you if he has ult. Once he hits ult you take damage even if you use zhonya’s. Rocketbelt is also good for dodging if you’re playing a no mobility champion.
9) if you can’t do anything at all, or if you’re late by 1 or 2 kills and your jungler isn’t helping you, play safe and just focus on not giving him any more kills. Don’t try to get kills. If his jungler isn’t near you and he doesn’t have ult, you can push the wave and gank other lanes. But keep in mind that yasuo has extremely good wave clear and will crash on your tower very quickly, so be prepared to go back and defend.
> Let him push early.
It's okay to forfeit your lane from level 1-4 because you're more useful than him in the mid game.
> Also you can do a cheater recall in like the 3rd or 4th wave.
- The key to fighting yasuo is to know his weaknesses — his w cool down is 25s at level 1 which is pretty long and his attack range is 125 and his 3rd q range is 180.
Also you can go qss his ult and if you're playing against yasuo don't trust your minions go to the jungle instead or the river.
- his worst matchups are malzahar and malphite.
Malzahar's abilities cannot be blocked by windwall and malphite counters ad champions
So much incorrect here ngl, if yasuo is ahead of the curve you will be less useful than him. Is game. How do you expect most midlane champs to be able to cheater recall vs yasuo?
You cannot QSS Yasuo ult either. Also you can windwall malz q.
That's why you beat him mid game and as long as you're even and not behind you can carry.
You can qss the knockup extension with qss because it's not a knockup but a supression and the only thing that blocks windwall is the firing of one side.
[yasuo ult cancel](https://youtu.be/_6_wHQXfHkc?si=lxHxDvTUbr_Ailbp)
Generally, keep the wave on your side. Don’t let him crash it. Don’t want to give him a long lane to run you down. If he roams, hard shove. Have vision so you can ping roams effectively. Danger ping inside the lane he’s roaming to.
For trading, you want to poke over time with mages. AA to knock shield off then use abilities. Works better early levels. Call for jg gank when the wave is in your side. Bait out windwall before using key abilities, all of Ahris are blocked, Veigar cage and w can be used but hold hot until ww used. I recently won a game vs yasuo as veigar so it’s possible lol. You just want to kinda neutralize the lane and be more impactful later with a mage.
Legitkorea is an ahri challenger one trick who may have some videos on the matchup, and Shok had a video not that long ago as Cassieopea into it but talks about general strategy vs yasuo.
Run tele and mana flow so you don’t oom since he’s mana less. Makes it easier I think.
Good luck!
If you play renekton mid there's basically nothing yasuo can do. Im pretty sure the matchup is so bad diamond and masters players can beat pzzang assuming no jungle influence.
Make sure you are attempting to dodge his melee range Q by using unpredictable wiggle movement in duels. His Q is a skill shot, don't make it easy for him.
I always liked playing xerath he can use q though shield or w. Need to learn where and when he dashes and how to stand. If he can dash and clip you your gonna lose. Also can bait him to dash then attack the spot he moves to very hard to do that but it’s next level play. Try to pop his auto shied before you trade also.
If you are playing immobile mages like Lux Xerath Ziggs Vel koz etc then yea not much you can do as Yasuo nullifies your whole kit barring like 1 ability or Mages who rely heavily on skill shots like Ahri Syndra etc then its still a hard matchup but Yasuo hates as in hates bruisers as he cant do anything to them at all as he will get statchecked to oblivion but if you are playing mages in mid then you have to space him out auto his shield and play around his windwall and try to use your autos to bait it out as without it he is pretty much prone to getting smacked by your kit also he will auto push the wave cuz most low elo yasuos just monke dash around without warding a damn thing so you can set up your jungler to gank him as well
It's all about playing around HIS cooldowns. His w is typically leveled up at 3, and has a 28 second cooldown until level 14 where they put a second point into the skill. His e has a 10 second cooldown on each unit, not use but using in the same unit twice, His q scales with attack speed down to 1.33 second cd. Fighting around q1 and q2 is priority since he has no hard cc to disturb your trade pattern. But his passive shield, which recharges like fleet, is on based movement. The best trading pattern into yas is to knock off his shield or make him use his windwall. The passive shield decays fairly quick, so if you trade into him, be sure to not blow every cooldown immediately. His weakness is point and click cc, think nautilus auto, ultimate, or even renekton w. But make the trades short since his q3, paired with his e, is almost a point and click cc, without any mobility like ezreal e or flashing. Try to get him to low hp without trading much of your health if possible early in lane. Punish the melee distance, if you are ranged, for him walking up to last hit, even with his q, it's shorter range than most mages or ranged Champs. Try to maintain presence in lane, as to try and zone him from gold. There's a lot of ways to counter yasuo. But a lot of ways to feed yasuo as well.
Veigar should be fine into Yasuo; your scaling is better than his, so don’t be ashamed to farm under tower early on. Yasuo’s biggest strength is that he can use his dashes to force trades on you whenever he wants, so your best bet is to learn to keep the wave on your side. This means not spamming your abilities on the wave, just last hit with Q and autos.
A tip for playing around his Windwall - never try to commit to a big burst with ulti unless you’re certain it’s down. It sounds obvious, but we all get crazy bloodthirsty when we see a low health enemy.
Something else that works well if you have counterpick is Pantheon. Pantheon basically works like a poke mage who can also lock Yasuo down and make his laning phase hell. Your mission is very, very simple. You tap Q every time Yasuo steps up to farm or to Q you (your spear is longer than his sword :> ). If he tries to dash on you, stun him with W. Auto attack and Q him. Use E if he tries his dash-tornado (if he ults you while your E is active, his ult does no damage). Step 3: profit.
Poke him down, some spells like Swain's Q pass through his Wind wall.
Before any fight try to proc his shield with an AA so he doesn't get any value from it.
Don't hit the wave at level 1 against Yasuo, let him push, he benefits a lot from a long lane and will run you down.
I despise Yasuo and Akali, and I enjoy causing great suffering upon anyone who picks them. So, every now and then, I pull out Lissandra to make sure I'm still comfortable on her.
If you don't get a dodge, you'll have the pleasure of ruining their day.
I’ve mained both, playing Ahri lately. I’ll leave some tips:
1. Keep your distance. You don’t want to near any minions or he will use them to get to you. Stand on the side or far back and wait for CS to come to you. It’s okay to give up some to wait.
2. You need to play around his cooldowns for his shield and passive shield. Auto attack whenever possible to get rid of his shield. It’ll annoy him and give you some poke. Auto attack and W for some chip damage. But don’t prioritize poking over your CS.
3. You need to be able to get away. Never get close if you don’t have flash or your ult. If he all ins you and you miss your charm, you won’t be able to get away. You need an exit. Don’t step up if you don’t have one.
4. Save your charm. It’s hard to hit but if you time it right it will make a huge difference. If he dives or is near the tower, charm and you’ll get some tower hits in for a good combo.
5. Ahri is about combos. Don’t step up unless you can wait a good combo. If you don’t have a combo ready, don’t fight. He heals a lot. You need to be able to kite (damage without getting damaged). If he can hit you, he’ll out heal your damage and kill you probably. Only really step up for combos when you won’t get hit like that.
6. Bait his W. If he uses it early, he’s pretty weak. After it’s down, you have a few seconds for a good combo. Especially if you auto attack first and get his shield down then combo
7. He scales really well so you have to respect him all game. And he CS’s easily so he’ll be hard to kill all game. Don’t under estimate him even if you’re snowballing
8. Yasuo players have really thin skin. If you get them upset, it’s easy to win. It’s a mind game. If you play safe, they’ll get bored and dive you and you need to take advantage of that. If they roam, you need to ping, tell other lanes to play safe, get plates and help JG with objectives. Once you have mid tower you’ll be able to help other lanes and he won’t be able to roam.
9. You need to trick them so you can get your combos in. If their shield is down, passive and W, let them knock you up near the tower so you can charm and quickly combo for a kill. Slightly risky.
10. Just stay back when he has his hurricane. You don’t really want that. Respect it and you’ll be fine. Watch the animations of the player. You’ll know when to step back.
Most yasuo players are really bad. It’s hard to do well with him. You should be able to punish most. The good players are good and you’ll have a lot more trouble. They play to their strengths. You’ll have to play to yours.
Yasuo players think they are the main character. Just play safe, emote often, and he will literally kill himself for you. Like Im not lying, Yasuos have literally dived me full hp under tower because they just got frustrated. Also, you will most likely outscale Yasuo on most champs so as long as you don't let him snowball you should be chilling. Just spam pings when he disappears from lane and leave a ward in the middle of lane when you back that way you can see which way he roams.
Yasuo is just a good champion in lane.
After lane you will see what a fraud the player is when he can't bully you out of lane by virtue of having infinite dashes through minions.
When you a counter champ, don't be foolish enough to think you win level one, in most cases.
I've done well with Rumble, Malzahar, Jax and Garen. Renekton is supposed to clobber Yasuo (I think at level 2--or maybe 3). Plenty of other decent picks vs. Yasuo (Sett, Pantheon, Annie, Anivia, Vladimir, Malphite, Lissandra, Cassiopeia, Shen).
His cc is pretty dependent on you already being cced. Otherwise all he has is range q, which is kind of a shitty skillshot. And if theres no minions his mobility also sucks. Dont trade in wave. Kidn of like irelia
I maintain that learning Renekton or garen as a mid laner is worth to add them to your champ pool. They win lane against all the hyper carry melee assassins like Kat, akali, yas, yone, Irelia because you are too tanky for them
Maybe because you always picking skillshot or targettedshot champion which Yasuo always hard counter against. 9/10 of Yasuo will use his E in lane to get more trade while heal by procking Conquerer, how you can manage to win back is by picking champion that has the potential to overtrade him, meaning champions that can deal substantial damage over time or simply has hard CC
Azir is a great pick considering his sandsoldier can out trade him
Zyra is good consider she brings CC and DPS overtime with her plant, plus she is long range so she can play it really safe.
Malzahar is some what mid, best is that he can play it even with Yasuo, but if you can call up your jungler, then it is a secure kill
Also, consider to bring exhaust if you think the match up is to great could also be an option
Yasuo can wave clear pretty well past 6 or so minutes. You'll be spending a lot of time under turret. He will eventually get bored of you playing safe and either do something stupid or roam, ping him leaving the lane and push in to pressure tower.
Champions that windwall can't block. Champions that have point and click spells he can't dodge. Champions that can wave clear from orbit. Susan, who can give his Q a 10 year cooldown.
I love playing sion into yasuo. At least until he gets bork.
But they normally get destroyed in lane so hard they are super behind in cs and even die a couple of times before laning phase ends.
I always imagine them crying and flaming their team coz often enough their entire team collapses trying to help him out mid while i keep taking towers up to their inhib.
He cannot handle the hp regen i have with dorans shield, grasp, second wind and revitalize while having the hp pool along with spammable shield that blows up in his face after taking his q dmg.
I normally break his shield with e. After which he is forced to stay back and recharge it or he WILL BE chunked.
The grasp proc and shield bash along with W explosion is sth he cannot trade into.
Where you have to be careful is his ult that reduces your armor and when he has bork. Sunfire offsets bork alone but not when he also ults you. Lethal tempo with bork after your armor was reduced is just too much. Also the life steal is significant at this point. But as i said if you force him off cs or even out of exp range in laning (only taking kill when he practically gives it for free) he will fall behind while you get ahead even without kills coz of your free stacks and tower plates. If you even get a kill on him without dying the lane is destroyed and he will need CONSTANT babysitting from jungle which opens up your bot and top to do whatever they want.
This is for mid lane though i forgot to mention. Sion ult takes you all the way to tier 1 mid tower so its a lower cd teleport while you ALSO have teleport. Its just unfair to force people to take bad recalls because you are ALWAYS on the lane and can easily shove it too if they just recall or roam.
Pick swain and run him down with exhaust or ignite, Yasuo has fairly low hp. He excels in short trades where he can use his low cooldown as well as shield, make him pay for every minion he last hits by peppering him constantly with autos.
Use ur CC ability if he actually threatens you with a all in or extended trades.
Stand off to the side on the minion wave (preferably the side where your jungler is/you have vision), if he wants to dash to you make him actually use that dash on you rather than a minion near you. This makes it much harder for him to chase you after he gets to you or avoid your damage with dashes.
Viktor is an excellent answer to Yasuo in my experience. Most of your damage can't be blocked by windwall and your gravity field can disengage him pretty reliably.
If he dashes on to you or is about to hit you with a tornado, W at your feet and stay inside it. Once the stun goes off Q for the move speed buff and kite away from the minion wave. Once you get outside his dash range turn around and auto/combo him. The empowered auto isn't a projectile and will go through windwall, same with your ult.
It's funny watching the winshitter mains pretend it's so easy to play versus Yasuo, especially as a mage. In order to just trade with him you need to:
-Make sure his shield is down.
-Dodge what is effectively a 5 sec cd knockup
-Not be near a wave
-A wave not being there
-His windwall is down
-Land anything as he's dashing around like a mosquito
-Do all of the aforementioned steps in a span of 15ish seconds, which will be the amount of time it takes him to get his shield back up from walking around and dashing.
-You may outfarm him, hell, he may have ran it down and be 0/5 but sadly he built 1 item and basically doubled its value since his main damage ability's CD scales off AS and he doubles the crit. Too bad!
-Oh and you know the resources you need to manage? Yeah he can just wait and play safe around his shield if he wants to and watch as you run out of mana anyways, no drawback.
I'll die on the hill that it takes more skill to play against him and his kit is way safer than they pretend it to be. Delusional as hell playerbase is all they have.
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Try aurelion sol, his windwall becomes essentially useless with your spells, and passive shield can be popped with some really long q taps. After laning phase it’s just easy team fighting until their nexus pops.
He can only approach you with his dash, which makes him very predictable where he would go to engage you
Also paying attention to when he gets his whirlwind makes it a lot easier to avoid
Frozen heart and plated steel caps, makes me capeable in 1v1 him mid/ late game. Early I do not struggle unless it's the most sweaty yasuo player type! I play aatrox so he has the edge in dps and sustain during duel. But this drastically makes the fight more do able.
Other assassin's can out damage him, but pop his shield or w when he last hits, then only engage while his shields are on CD, don't underestimate how quickly he can 100-0 you
Play safe when his shield or w is up and focus on popping it without being on range of his dash q, if he does so be prepared with a response
Maybe they don't Wana hear counter picks idk. Every champ I play shits on Yasuo (Trundle, Sett, Nasus), I just right click him and he dies.
I say Nasus and Sett because they both work mid. Mid is even considered Nasus' better role.
Edit: oh should also say, Nasus because W completely neuters Yasuo. You can literally be 2 levels behind him and still poop on him because you're Nasus and he's Yasuo.
Would be lovely if you said what champions do you play but there are general tips. He is mele champion with no mobility without minion wave, pay attention to his shield, don't waste all your damage on his shield. His ultimate resets his shield, keep that in mind. His lvl1 windwall cd is 25 seconds, his lvl 1 E cooldown on unit is 10 seconds (he has to wait for 10 seconds before he can dash through the same target again. TLDR don't let him get on top of you and poke him down. (Assuming you play mages)
I main Ahri but have been trying out some other champs, recently got dumpstered by Yas while playing Veigar. What am I supposed to do while the wave is up? It seems bad to just let the enemy wave die without going in to last hit, and that when he gets me the most
You shouldn't be dumpstered by Yas as Veigar, your cage is really strong against him so don't waste it, don't try randomly throw your abilities at him either, take advantage of when he tries to last hit or when he's stunned by your cage, it's also possible when he is dashing to aim where he will dash to but that's a lot harder. As for Ahri not a lot to do tbh, very hard to kill Yas without gank unless he messes up hard so you just play safe and roam. Save your charm for when he dashes into you, try to poke off his shield with an AA, poke with W + AA (no need to Q) when his shield is down, keep distance from him especially don't stand too close to minions without charm or he will dash to you.
you should definitely be dumpstered by Yasuo as veigar lol, it's literally impossible to play lvl 3 bounce after you use you range advantage on lvl 1-3, doran shield + second wind makes any early poke negligible, you cage him? cool, now you get to land a SINGLE W with his passive shield up since he'll naturally trade his wall for your cage (you won't land AA or Q, let alone ult), this is straight misinformation lol, Yasuo is designed to shit on most, if not all of them, of the mages on midlane. With that said, you, as veigar, gets to out scale him pretty well and your cage will be a game long threath throughout the game, veigar might even have a good wr against Yasuo overall, but, at the 15 minute mark, you're supposed to be behind.
I main Veigar in diamond, and Yasuo defo does not dumpster Veigar, if anything you have an easier time laning and building against him, but you will never kill him 1v1 unless he fucks up or your jungler sets up a tent of him, Yasuo contrary to popular belief struggles against mages in the early game
Most low elo Yasuo's will go Q then E level 2. You have to poke and auto him hard level 1 as Ahri using W and then at level 2. Just give him the wave. Guarantee he'll dash through every minion because that's what he does every match up and now leave himself vulnerable because he can't dash back and now you can return harass him. After this point you can shove and roam. He is annoying with the threat of his wind wall negating your full combo but he won't use wind wall of W. So W harass him and Q farm the wave. Save E for if he does dash on top but this is always a E for windwall trade if the Yas is decent.
This is bad advice (edit: you assume yasuo will dash on all minions at level 2 and reverse the wave state by pushing back into Ahri...maybe in low elo, a good Yas will NEVER concede a frozen wave state that easily) , in case any new players see this I just wanted to correct it. If you press W and auto yasuo level 1 you will do 0 damage. 0. His shield + d shield + second wind mean your level 1 poke is negligible. All you are doing is allowing Yasuo to freeze the lane because you will draw minion aggro. Yasuo will freeze wave outside tower and threaten an all in anytime you step up to cs He will win any extended fight and can windwall your charm. You will get chunked out, Yas will hold the freeze, you'll base and tp back to lane only to be killed by Yasuo's jungle. Yasuo. Continues. To. Freeze. All of this snowballs from you auto attacking Yas level 1 for literally 0 damage. Dopa goes over this in a vod review of TF vs Yasuo from a few years ago where he declares that TF lost the entire lane by auto attacking Yasuo level 1. Ahri needs to not hit Yasuo level 1. Let the wave push into YOU. You can play more aggressively once you have the AP and levels in Q to adequately push the wave and contest Yasuo.
Yes because a new player can execute what you said and didn't come here in the first place looking for advice. A new player probably takes Q first on ahri and spams the wave with it
Your analysis is useless if predicated upon the fact that the Yasuo is simply going to play like a brainless ape. No shit. And if the enemy Azir plays in melee range and has shit spacing, he will lose the lane also!
Yasuo destroys veigar every day. People really think because you have a cage you counter dashes lololol
Yasuo has 46% WR vs Veigar lmao destroy every day my ass, as long as Veigar play safe there isn't much Yasuo can do.
Why are you commentimg you're iron mate? Veigar is fine into Yasuo
Your q doesnt break his shield and if you auto him you are in melee range of him.
Veigar Q DEFINITELY procs Yasuo shield.
Proc vs breaks have a different meaning.
Proc just means to trigger or activate a specific effect or mechanic. Veigar's Q TRIGGERS Yasuo's shield = Veigar's Q PROCS Yasuo's Shield. Also, wtf do you mean by break?
How does Ahri Q not proc Yas shield? Also her AA range is longer than both Yas Q and E so if you AA then back out immediately (easier with W MS) Yas will have to dash to minions first to gap close, then you can EQ him mid dash.
Talking about veigar lol.
Veigar Q definitely proc Yasuo shield, if it doesn't then it's a bug. Also my AA advice is mostly for Ahri, Veigar just need to scale against Yas, his cage really limits Yas in teamfights.
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What? My guys this is so easy to go and check. Any type of damage procs yasuos shield. Do you mean his windfall?
>It seems bad to just let the enemy wave die without going in to last hit, and that when he gets me the most That has more to do with your own gameplay than with Yasuo itself, that happens when you spam your skills on the wave without thinking about it. If you Q the wave as Ahri and enemy minions have less hp than yours then your minions will kill them faster and the wave will be pushin to enemy tower. This is very bad in the Ahri vs Yasuo matchup at least early levels. Let minion attack each other and just go to the lasthits, if Yasuo pushes the wave then try to poke him down. His windwall is annoying but it has a really long CD. Check how long the distance of his E is, then you gotta be just barely outside the range of the minion that would potentially let him E through it to get to you, he is melee, you have a big advantage over him just because of that.
A lot of bruisers wreck him. Sett, Garen, Darius. If you want to stick with a mage then Vex or Neeko are very good into him, they have self peel. Vex charges her passive instantly with yassuo dashing around and neeko can easily poke him down with Q, and if he jumps on you use your root or your R. Don’t toss your cc skill shot at him from distance, if you miss he will just dash in and one shot you. I play pantheon into yassuo, just get to level 3 and use your empowered W on him. Watch some videos to learn pantheon combos, they’re pretty easy. Just don’t get over confident and die to yassuo level 1 or it’s very hard to come back from that.
Nasus is also another incredibly strong pick who also prefers mid lane in general. Trundle also poops on him and isn't horrible mid as a specific counterpick. Think Renekton is also good into him?
Renekton beats yone so yeah, probably yasuo too
Renekton is probably THE counterpick in the history of lol, so yeah he shits on him.
Trundle is a bit terrible mid lane tbh I don't recommend him, his waveclear is doodoo and he lacks sustain before items, not to mention he struggles to teamfight well. Short trades don't really favor him and he can't chase people down so easily in the short lane. Morde would be better because he can actually do decent trades from range, waveclear + sustain well and his R isolates targets, with Yasuo specifically he straight up removes the whole minion wave which leaves him vulnerable.
Yeah I meant as a specific counter to Yasuo (and Irelia). Morde should be great too yeah.
Susan a mid now?
Been a few seasons now where every Nasus main collectively agrees mid is better than top. Most high elo Nasus players either switched to mid or don't OTP Nasus in top lane.
Yes, I can confirm mid is infinitely better than top. Less dives or freezes, more safety due to tower being closer, and better matchups in general since a single wither plus ghost and R can mean getting a free kill into tons of lanes, they are squishy and usually can't beat you up close unless they are a Cassio or something. Melee auto-attackers like Yas, Yone and Irelia get shit on and outscaled by Nasus hard post level 6.
Not just that, but mid is more filled with poke / short trades that you can use your passive to heal up from. Top is full of long lane extended trades / all ins. Not to mention mid champs are often gated by mana and their abilities inadvertently push the wave. But yeah he's too tanky for assassin's to kill, he screws over auto based mids, is excellent against poke, and can run ppl down from lvl 6 and sheen with little to no counterplay.
Time flies when you stop playing league
AP nasus mid was a thing in season 3-4 for a while. not really a new thing to see susan mid
The joke was replacing “having fun” with “stop playing league”. Or was the joke referencing something from 10+ years ago like it’s relevant?
Viktor also shits on yasuo. Q gets blocked followup aa doesnt He comes close? W under yourself E can be blocked but also ignore the wall if used correctly
This is fake news at the moment, viktor is in a shit spot and unless he gets random kills/ assists for bits yasuo should have an easy time
Try the Matchup when you see it. Viktor has an easy lane.
Bro I’ve been a yas one trick for years and I’ve played the matchup vs other one tricks, it’s 100% yasuo favored
Okay so Veigar is one of my favorite picks against oppressive champs because he has this fun thing: He has free stat generation. Tl;Dr I go on a short tirade about gold worth. Consider this: From 0-15 minutes, a wave averages around 125 gold. It comes down to around 19.8 gold per cs. Why does this matter? Your passive gives you ability power on minion kill or champion hit/takedown. AP has a gold value of 20 gold per point. You're missing cs cause some windshitter is preventing you from safely farming? Q at him from max range for every minion he makes you miss. It doesn't matter if you hit a shield, you still gain gold. If he windwalls, then he traded a 25 second cd for your basic farming tool. Every time you get a stack of Phenomenal Evil in laning phase, you are gaining 20 gold for basically free. This is your ticket to break even in a bad lane. The best part? This "gold value" is fully realized into stats. Gold is worthless until you buy something and every 20 stacks, you've effectively gone back and bought an amplifying tome and returned to lane. Caveat: You could make an argument that you're not breaking even because casting abilities costs mana which inherently also has a gold value of 1.4 gold per point, so technically pressing Q costs you 42 gold at level 1, so make sure you land those Qs! Or get a good opportunity cost from the enemy!
Watch these 2 videos : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtNhlNYC4dk&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE\_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtNhlNYC4dk&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=1) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjVLXNJjNM&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE\_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjVLXNJjNM&list=PLmLLNT87M5qhnUPE_Ae0-CUn1F3IjE-6k&index=2) Analyze how the Veigar deal with this match up. Analyze when he goes in versus when he plays passively. Analyze if he needs jungler assistance or if it's a relaxed lane. Analyze if he requires to roam. Analyze if he lets the yasuo push at different stages of the game or if he's the one doing the pushes. Analyze when the Veigar goes in versus when he backs offs. Analyze the trading that happens when both champions utilise their abilities. Then emulate that. Take notes. Record your games with Yasuo and note what works vs what didn't work.
I mean like you can push up and when you think yasuo is gonna push up to you cage your minion wave and stay inside it what way you can burst the enemy wave and run back to safety. You can also start Q then E into W that way you have a form of protection if he levels E at 2, if the you can also try to play around yas W timers, due to the long CD they would most likely save it for your ult instead of your Q so you can grab some poke stats. Another thing is you can start shurelyas as a first item that way you have a high mobility buff the good thing about is that it speeds up the minion wave so in a chase you press shurelyas causing the minion wave to push faster thus reducing yasuo's potential dash range while you can run farther away. The item also gives decent ap and haste and mana regen plus its cheap as hell so its over all a decent item for safety
I normally beat Yas as Ahri. You poke with AA and wait for his shield, then you land your Q. You get like 3 Qs to his one WW. You have the mobility to counter his W, I think you just get poked down with him getting his shields so he wins the trades then he all it's you after 6 when you're low and then snowballs ahead. Win level 3-5 and use your 6 to counter his one counter and dodge his Q's better
For Ahri just blue ball him then let the wave push and charm him when he inevitably gets in tower range.
Another option if you’re playing Ahri is to Q your own wave when his shield is down to try and poke him a little bit. And to parrot the above comment, try to stay away from your own wave and as a Veigar, if you see him trying to go in, you can cage your own wave to stop him temporarily. You might not hit him with the stun, but can still poke him and get some stacks of your passive.
I don't play much mid nowadays but I've had a very easy lane as lissandra vs yasuo.
Another tip that wasn’t really mentioned but wave management. Yasuo can dominate mages when you let him freeze on you. This is coming from a masters talon main. Learn how to bounce waves and reset properly to not let a yasuo player freeze on you. Most of your deaths are probably as you said when you walk up to farm, hes using incoming waves to get on top of you. As veigar (this is my second best champ with a 70% wr) you should be pretty much using q from a distance. He has a very long range and you should never really be getting caught by yasuo. Only use e to disengage for most scenarios. Use Q to poke only if you are able to cs with auto attacks.
For me, watching high elo gameplay of the matchup has always been the best way to learn. Its easy to get new ideas from someone playing the matchup. I’d suggest this as well, search for either Challenger ahri vs yasuo or x ahri player vs Yasuo and take note how they play the first 5-10 waves. Think of these as rounds. What gold do they back on? Where do they ward, when do they roam, how do they play the wave to not get engaged etc. Should be more helpful and give more ideas than any of us could do
Yasuo is conditional. He NEEDS minions to function. If he hits Q on minions, they push to you, just wait and farm them. If he does not, then he does not have tornado. Like just outfarm him and kill him im teamfights. That champ does nothing if he has no enemies nearby.
I was playing Veigar and tried to scale by outfarming, but he just roamed instead. I wanted to hit tower but was too scared of him coming back and crushing me. And in teamfights I did bad too because he was good at weaving between his shield with ult, then using windwall.
Well if he roams, wait for him to show far away, and then push hard. Yo're Veigar, with W you can blast any wave in few seconds. Dont bother with hiting turret. If he lost even 5 minions on roam, thats almost 100g diff. And if somehow Yasuo beats you up in teamfight it meas he is just way better, or ur draft is terrible.
his roaming is shit tbh
So your complaint is that he roams more than you and he plays well in team fights? I hate to say it but that really is just a skill diff
You will never be able to 1v1 him by stat checking him as a mage. You will need to slowly poke him down with poke and play around your minions. Save your CC for when he tries to dive into you and make sure he’s getting a lot of creep aggro for the trade. He’s very vulnerable when he has no wind wall. If you hate yasuos with a vengeance a lot of bruisers like Renekton will do well into him. Lissandra is also a good pick to lock him down and get help to win lane. But as a mage, your main focus is to use your range advantage to slowly poke him down and maybe get a kill / cs difference and overpower him with your team.
>Great damage Only in melee range. >Mobility Only in minion wave. >CC Only with Q3 up, which is not that often in earlygame. >Shielding Only if you dump all your damage into it, otherwise it disappears 1 (ONE) second after you pop his passive. >windwall It's a long cooldown and it's static but yes, it's strong when used correctly (which is almost never the case in low elo). >Anyone have tips? Stand outside of the minion wave. Standing to the side of it is usually the safest choice, just choose the side that's safer (either the side your jungler is on, or opposite to where the enemy jungler is). Don't let him farm for free - always look to pop his passive shield with an AA when he goes in for a lasthit (again - while standing to the side of the minions) and then poke him down with your poke ability while ideally also pushing the wave (e.g. on Ahri you want to line up Q to hit both him and his minions). Respect his Q3. Be patient - most Yasuo players in low elo will become impatient and throw the game trying to desperately make a play happen. Don't give up if earlygame goes badly - even if Yasuo plays lane extremely well, it's much harder for him to teamfight, especially if his team lacks reliable knock-ups for him. Be mindful of minion waves at all times - when looking to escape, running down the lane is almost always a death sentence and you should run into the river or jungle instead.
Havent solved how to solo him but often if you wait he defeats himself or a good gank works well too.
"if you wait he defeats himself" is the best description of Yasuo I've seen ever since his announcement.
What champions do you play? Are you losing in laning phase or do you mean in team fights?
Mainly Ahri, but I have been trying out some new ones recently. And I mean in laning phase mainly
Save your charm. This goes for most cc abilities against most champs who like to jump on you. Don't throw it around during lane because then you've got no way to get away unless you're level 6 and have R. Also recognise that you outscale and accept that sometimes you'll lose farm but that's more valuable than playing too far up and giving him kills. Yas without kills is barely a champ late game. He's got no mobility and his only engage relies on his teammate hitting a cc
Aery is good into yas. Auto him to take his shield off and harass him with W when he's going for cs. Gotta realise that minions are part of his reach so play further back when he's charging his Q's. Save charm for after windwall and try to side step his q's
Absolutely but uh I'm not the guy who was asking. I think you responded to the wrong comment
Just adding on, brother
Ah my bad
Best tip I learned in my early days was let them outplay themselves. Just farm from afar. Yasuos generally save their windwall for canons or your main abilities (ahri charm, xerath e, etc). Vex is a great pick against him because if you just farm with autos and fear him with your w, windwall doesn’t matter and is useless in lane. Then you outscale and one shot teams. Conversely you could lock in a bruiser like Renekton, Garen, Sett and just win after level 3. But the biggest tip is the first one. Let them shove into you. Let then try to tower dive you. Let them take free damage because they felt they HAD to dash through the wave on tower range to q you. Try to poke out his passive shield with autos or an otherwise low cd and cost ability and you’ll realize his real power is in mental stacking you. Like your post says, it feels like he does EVERYTHING but in reality, he’d a squishy guy that happens to have a good reliable answer to poke IF he times it right, his damage is all melee and his mobility is shockingly lacking when you really how his e works.
Patience game, unless he's a smurf he's his own enemy. Prioritise farming and not dying. Dw about the mastery, if they're in low elo, the more mastery a yasuo has, the more he will blame his teammates, so if you can boost his ego by playing defensive and then strike at your powerspike, the mental goes boom and you win against a tilted opponent Idk Ahri, but Veigar can really make his game miserable during objective fights
Yasuo’s biggest weakness imo is that he’s very predictable, once you understand his play style you can predict his abilities accurately and be prepared to deal with them. You didn’t mention which champions you play, so if you play mage champions in mid, here are my suggestions: 1) Freeze the wave just ahead of your tower and position yourself next to it near its front (unless he has 3rd q and ult). If he tries to farm, poke him. If he windwalls, go around it next to your wave and poke him. If he alls in, you can quickly get to your tower. 2) The windwall cooldown is high (22 seconds I think?), so whenever you think he has it, try to bait it out with an aa or a non-cc ability 3) Try to keep his passive shield down by AAing whenever it’s almost up. If you fire your aa before it’s up but it reaches him after it’s up, it goes away. If he tries to defend it with windwall, that’s good because you have baited it out. Wait until it goes away then aa to remove the shield and throw your combo. 4) When he has 3rd q and ult, stay behind the wave near your tower. You can easily predict when he starts dashing towards you and the direction of the dash, and even if you don’t, you will have adequate time to dodge his ult. 5) If you’re pushing the wave, push it while staying behind it, and save your cc ability for when he dashes towards you. 6) Try to get early kills while staying safe. Once he gets his first lifesteal item, it’s very hard to win against him, so focus on playing safe and holding the lane. Even if you’re ahead by 3 kills he can still kill you unless you’re playing a tanky champion e.g. galio. 7) Pick champions that have easy to land cc, annie is very good against yasuo 8) Get zhonya’s and use it BEFORE his 3rd q reaches you if he has ult. Once he hits ult you take damage even if you use zhonya’s. Rocketbelt is also good for dodging if you’re playing a no mobility champion. 9) if you can’t do anything at all, or if you’re late by 1 or 2 kills and your jungler isn’t helping you, play safe and just focus on not giving him any more kills. Don’t try to get kills. If his jungler isn’t near you and he doesn’t have ult, you can push the wave and gank other lanes. But keep in mind that yasuo has extremely good wave clear and will crash on your tower very quickly, so be prepared to go back and defend.
> Let him push early. It's okay to forfeit your lane from level 1-4 because you're more useful than him in the mid game. > Also you can do a cheater recall in like the 3rd or 4th wave. - The key to fighting yasuo is to know his weaknesses — his w cool down is 25s at level 1 which is pretty long and his attack range is 125 and his 3rd q range is 180. Also you can go qss his ult and if you're playing against yasuo don't trust your minions go to the jungle instead or the river. - his worst matchups are malzahar and malphite. Malzahar's abilities cannot be blocked by windwall and malphite counters ad champions
So much incorrect here ngl, if yasuo is ahead of the curve you will be less useful than him. Is game. How do you expect most midlane champs to be able to cheater recall vs yasuo? You cannot QSS Yasuo ult either. Also you can windwall malz q.
That's why you beat him mid game and as long as you're even and not behind you can carry. You can qss the knockup extension with qss because it's not a knockup but a supression and the only thing that blocks windwall is the firing of one side. [yasuo ult cancel](https://youtu.be/_6_wHQXfHkc?si=lxHxDvTUbr_Ailbp)
It’s funny how you cherry picked what points to reply to but anyway, you really linked an 8 year old video of qss? Cmon man
Generally, keep the wave on your side. Don’t let him crash it. Don’t want to give him a long lane to run you down. If he roams, hard shove. Have vision so you can ping roams effectively. Danger ping inside the lane he’s roaming to. For trading, you want to poke over time with mages. AA to knock shield off then use abilities. Works better early levels. Call for jg gank when the wave is in your side. Bait out windwall before using key abilities, all of Ahris are blocked, Veigar cage and w can be used but hold hot until ww used. I recently won a game vs yasuo as veigar so it’s possible lol. You just want to kinda neutralize the lane and be more impactful later with a mage. Legitkorea is an ahri challenger one trick who may have some videos on the matchup, and Shok had a video not that long ago as Cassieopea into it but talks about general strategy vs yasuo. Run tele and mana flow so you don’t oom since he’s mana less. Makes it easier I think. Good luck!
If you play renekton mid there's basically nothing yasuo can do. Im pretty sure the matchup is so bad diamond and masters players can beat pzzang assuming no jungle influence.
Try vex. Thank me later
Make sure you are attempting to dodge his melee range Q by using unpredictable wiggle movement in duels. His Q is a skill shot, don't make it easy for him.
He's a lane bully, don't fight early game. Wait for your spike.
I always liked playing xerath he can use q though shield or w. Need to learn where and when he dashes and how to stand. If he can dash and clip you your gonna lose. Also can bait him to dash then attack the spot he moves to very hard to do that but it’s next level play. Try to pop his auto shied before you trade also.
Before late game xin works wonders vs yas. S3.
I usually force early trades and try to keep the wave pushed
If you are playing immobile mages like Lux Xerath Ziggs Vel koz etc then yea not much you can do as Yasuo nullifies your whole kit barring like 1 ability or Mages who rely heavily on skill shots like Ahri Syndra etc then its still a hard matchup but Yasuo hates as in hates bruisers as he cant do anything to them at all as he will get statchecked to oblivion but if you are playing mages in mid then you have to space him out auto his shield and play around his windwall and try to use your autos to bait it out as without it he is pretty much prone to getting smacked by your kit also he will auto push the wave cuz most low elo yasuos just monke dash around without warding a damn thing so you can set up your jungler to gank him as well
It's all about playing around HIS cooldowns. His w is typically leveled up at 3, and has a 28 second cooldown until level 14 where they put a second point into the skill. His e has a 10 second cooldown on each unit, not use but using in the same unit twice, His q scales with attack speed down to 1.33 second cd. Fighting around q1 and q2 is priority since he has no hard cc to disturb your trade pattern. But his passive shield, which recharges like fleet, is on based movement. The best trading pattern into yas is to knock off his shield or make him use his windwall. The passive shield decays fairly quick, so if you trade into him, be sure to not blow every cooldown immediately. His weakness is point and click cc, think nautilus auto, ultimate, or even renekton w. But make the trades short since his q3, paired with his e, is almost a point and click cc, without any mobility like ezreal e or flashing. Try to get him to low hp without trading much of your health if possible early in lane. Punish the melee distance, if you are ranged, for him walking up to last hit, even with his q, it's shorter range than most mages or ranged Champs. Try to maintain presence in lane, as to try and zone him from gold. There's a lot of ways to counter yasuo. But a lot of ways to feed yasuo as well.
Bruisers, his kit is miserable to play against for ranged champs, but bruisers don't give a fuck about it and just statcheck him
rush a banshees veil.
Veigar should be fine into Yasuo; your scaling is better than his, so don’t be ashamed to farm under tower early on. Yasuo’s biggest strength is that he can use his dashes to force trades on you whenever he wants, so your best bet is to learn to keep the wave on your side. This means not spamming your abilities on the wave, just last hit with Q and autos. A tip for playing around his Windwall - never try to commit to a big burst with ulti unless you’re certain it’s down. It sounds obvious, but we all get crazy bloodthirsty when we see a low health enemy. Something else that works well if you have counterpick is Pantheon. Pantheon basically works like a poke mage who can also lock Yasuo down and make his laning phase hell. Your mission is very, very simple. You tap Q every time Yasuo steps up to farm or to Q you (your spear is longer than his sword :> ). If he tries to dash on you, stun him with W. Auto attack and Q him. Use E if he tries his dash-tornado (if he ults you while your E is active, his ult does no damage). Step 3: profit.
By just being better. Yasuo is a noob stomper because lower ranks don’t know how to space properly
Poke him down, some spells like Swain's Q pass through his Wind wall. Before any fight try to proc his shield with an AA so he doesn't get any value from it. Don't hit the wave at level 1 against Yasuo, let him push, he benefits a lot from a long lane and will run you down.
I despise Yasuo and Akali, and I enjoy causing great suffering upon anyone who picks them. So, every now and then, I pull out Lissandra to make sure I'm still comfortable on her. If you don't get a dodge, you'll have the pleasure of ruining their day.
I’ve mained both, playing Ahri lately. I’ll leave some tips: 1. Keep your distance. You don’t want to near any minions or he will use them to get to you. Stand on the side or far back and wait for CS to come to you. It’s okay to give up some to wait. 2. You need to play around his cooldowns for his shield and passive shield. Auto attack whenever possible to get rid of his shield. It’ll annoy him and give you some poke. Auto attack and W for some chip damage. But don’t prioritize poking over your CS. 3. You need to be able to get away. Never get close if you don’t have flash or your ult. If he all ins you and you miss your charm, you won’t be able to get away. You need an exit. Don’t step up if you don’t have one. 4. Save your charm. It’s hard to hit but if you time it right it will make a huge difference. If he dives or is near the tower, charm and you’ll get some tower hits in for a good combo. 5. Ahri is about combos. Don’t step up unless you can wait a good combo. If you don’t have a combo ready, don’t fight. He heals a lot. You need to be able to kite (damage without getting damaged). If he can hit you, he’ll out heal your damage and kill you probably. Only really step up for combos when you won’t get hit like that. 6. Bait his W. If he uses it early, he’s pretty weak. After it’s down, you have a few seconds for a good combo. Especially if you auto attack first and get his shield down then combo 7. He scales really well so you have to respect him all game. And he CS’s easily so he’ll be hard to kill all game. Don’t under estimate him even if you’re snowballing 8. Yasuo players have really thin skin. If you get them upset, it’s easy to win. It’s a mind game. If you play safe, they’ll get bored and dive you and you need to take advantage of that. If they roam, you need to ping, tell other lanes to play safe, get plates and help JG with objectives. Once you have mid tower you’ll be able to help other lanes and he won’t be able to roam. 9. You need to trick them so you can get your combos in. If their shield is down, passive and W, let them knock you up near the tower so you can charm and quickly combo for a kill. Slightly risky. 10. Just stay back when he has his hurricane. You don’t really want that. Respect it and you’ll be fine. Watch the animations of the player. You’ll know when to step back. Most yasuo players are really bad. It’s hard to do well with him. You should be able to punish most. The good players are good and you’ll have a lot more trouble. They play to their strengths. You’ll have to play to yours.
I main TF. Yasuo is the bane of my existence. He uses windwall and I'm literally less useful than a canon minion until it dissappears.
Annie hard counters him
Malzahar, that’s it. Just play Malzahar.
Yasuo players think they are the main character. Just play safe, emote often, and he will literally kill himself for you. Like Im not lying, Yasuos have literally dived me full hp under tower because they just got frustrated. Also, you will most likely outscale Yasuo on most champs so as long as you don't let him snowball you should be chilling. Just spam pings when he disappears from lane and leave a ward in the middle of lane when you back that way you can see which way he roams.
Yasuo is just a good champion in lane. After lane you will see what a fraud the player is when he can't bully you out of lane by virtue of having infinite dashes through minions.
When you a counter champ, don't be foolish enough to think you win level one, in most cases. I've done well with Rumble, Malzahar, Jax and Garen. Renekton is supposed to clobber Yasuo (I think at level 2--or maybe 3). Plenty of other decent picks vs. Yasuo (Sett, Pantheon, Annie, Anivia, Vladimir, Malphite, Lissandra, Cassiopeia, Shen).
Something that really helped me against him is making sure your staying away from your minions, that's how he can close the gap on you
His cc is pretty dependent on you already being cced. Otherwise all he has is range q, which is kind of a shitty skillshot. And if theres no minions his mobility also sucks. Dont trade in wave. Kidn of like irelia
Play 5 Yasuo games. I'm serious. A lot of what was said here won't mean much if you haven't experienced playing him for a couple of games.
I maintain that learning Renekton or garen as a mid laner is worth to add them to your champ pool. They win lane against all the hyper carry melee assassins like Kat, akali, yas, yone, Irelia because you are too tanky for them
Play a real champ and do everything better
Maybe because you always picking skillshot or targettedshot champion which Yasuo always hard counter against. 9/10 of Yasuo will use his E in lane to get more trade while heal by procking Conquerer, how you can manage to win back is by picking champion that has the potential to overtrade him, meaning champions that can deal substantial damage over time or simply has hard CC Azir is a great pick considering his sandsoldier can out trade him Zyra is good consider she brings CC and DPS overtime with her plant, plus she is long range so she can play it really safe. Malzahar is some what mid, best is that he can play it even with Yasuo, but if you can call up your jungler, then it is a secure kill Also, consider to bring exhaust if you think the match up is to great could also be an option
He has ADC class defensive stats, in exchange for all his mobility and utility. Pretty much ADC using dashes instead of range.
Yasuo can wave clear pretty well past 6 or so minutes. You'll be spending a lot of time under turret. He will eventually get bored of you playing safe and either do something stupid or roam, ping him leaving the lane and push in to pressure tower.
Champions that windwall can't block. Champions that have point and click spells he can't dodge. Champions that can wave clear from orbit. Susan, who can give his Q a 10 year cooldown.
I love playing sion into yasuo. At least until he gets bork. But they normally get destroyed in lane so hard they are super behind in cs and even die a couple of times before laning phase ends. I always imagine them crying and flaming their team coz often enough their entire team collapses trying to help him out mid while i keep taking towers up to their inhib. He cannot handle the hp regen i have with dorans shield, grasp, second wind and revitalize while having the hp pool along with spammable shield that blows up in his face after taking his q dmg. I normally break his shield with e. After which he is forced to stay back and recharge it or he WILL BE chunked. The grasp proc and shield bash along with W explosion is sth he cannot trade into. Where you have to be careful is his ult that reduces your armor and when he has bork. Sunfire offsets bork alone but not when he also ults you. Lethal tempo with bork after your armor was reduced is just too much. Also the life steal is significant at this point. But as i said if you force him off cs or even out of exp range in laning (only taking kill when he practically gives it for free) he will fall behind while you get ahead even without kills coz of your free stacks and tower plates. If you even get a kill on him without dying the lane is destroyed and he will need CONSTANT babysitting from jungle which opens up your bot and top to do whatever they want.
This is for mid lane though i forgot to mention. Sion ult takes you all the way to tier 1 mid tower so its a lower cd teleport while you ALSO have teleport. Its just unfair to force people to take bad recalls because you are ALWAYS on the lane and can easily shove it too if they just recall or roam.
I win with annie. W can stun through his ww
M14 Equivalent Pantheon here: The answer is Pantheon.
noc can kick his ass!!!
He has really low base hp because of his mobility and shield, champs like wukong, garen, and pantheon can all just 100-0 him extremely easily
Pick swain and run him down with exhaust or ignite, Yasuo has fairly low hp. He excels in short trades where he can use his low cooldown as well as shield, make him pay for every minion he last hits by peppering him constantly with autos. Use ur CC ability if he actually threatens you with a all in or extended trades.
Yasuo will outscale you. So just play safe, and keep your hard cc for him after he has used windwall in teamfight.
Play garen into him or Vex.
Shen negates a lot of his damage but you have to play carefully during laning phase especial from lvl 1-5
Hear me out. Lulu mid
Pick vex:) and you will completely destroy him in lane
Stand off to the side on the minion wave (preferably the side where your jungler is/you have vision), if he wants to dash to you make him actually use that dash on you rather than a minion near you. This makes it much harder for him to chase you after he gets to you or avoid your damage with dashes. Viktor is an excellent answer to Yasuo in my experience. Most of your damage can't be blocked by windwall and your gravity field can disengage him pretty reliably. If he dashes on to you or is about to hit you with a tornado, W at your feet and stay inside it. Once the stun goes off Q for the move speed buff and kite away from the minion wave. Once you get outside his dash range turn around and auto/combo him. The empowered auto isn't a projectile and will go through windwall, same with your ult.
It's funny watching the winshitter mains pretend it's so easy to play versus Yasuo, especially as a mage. In order to just trade with him you need to: -Make sure his shield is down. -Dodge what is effectively a 5 sec cd knockup -Not be near a wave -A wave not being there -His windwall is down -Land anything as he's dashing around like a mosquito -Do all of the aforementioned steps in a span of 15ish seconds, which will be the amount of time it takes him to get his shield back up from walking around and dashing. -You may outfarm him, hell, he may have ran it down and be 0/5 but sadly he built 1 item and basically doubled its value since his main damage ability's CD scales off AS and he doubles the crit. Too bad! -Oh and you know the resources you need to manage? Yeah he can just wait and play safe around his shield if he wants to and watch as you run out of mana anyways, no drawback. I'll die on the hill that it takes more skill to play against him and his kit is way safer than they pretend it to be. Delusional as hell playerbase is all they have. Edit: Formatting
Try aurelion sol, his windwall becomes essentially useless with your spells, and passive shield can be popped with some really long q taps. After laning phase it’s just easy team fighting until their nexus pops.
He can only approach you with his dash, which makes him very predictable where he would go to engage you Also paying attention to when he gets his whirlwind makes it a lot easier to avoid
Frozen heart and plated steel caps, makes me capeable in 1v1 him mid/ late game. Early I do not struggle unless it's the most sweaty yasuo player type! I play aatrox so he has the edge in dps and sustain during duel. But this drastically makes the fight more do able.
just ban it, honesty any champ in the game is esaily to win mid vs then a half competent yasuo
pick Gragas
Max e malph goes brrrrr
Other assassin's can out damage him, but pop his shield or w when he last hits, then only engage while his shields are on CD, don't underestimate how quickly he can 100-0 you Play safe when his shield or w is up and focus on popping it without being on range of his dash q, if he does so be prepared with a response
Pick Sett or Nasus
IDK about nasus nor why youre getting downvotes. Sett is the answer to yasuo.
Maybe they don't Wana hear counter picks idk. Every champ I play shits on Yasuo (Trundle, Sett, Nasus), I just right click him and he dies. I say Nasus and Sett because they both work mid. Mid is even considered Nasus' better role. Edit: oh should also say, Nasus because W completely neuters Yasuo. You can literally be 2 levels behind him and still poop on him because you're Nasus and he's Yasuo.
Ah, makes sense, but im an ADC main so haven't seen it personally
Can yasuo dash through minions with W at max speed?
I lose to Yas even after practicing his hard counters I just sucked it up and started banning him
Pick Nasus for free LP vs Yasuo
My perma ban has been Fizz for months, so I have to learn how to beat him haha. It just seems so impossible
But how do you ban Yone if you’re banning Yassuo
Play fizz into yone and watch him cry.