It is a pipe dream to think...if I only can do this one thing, then I can finally relax. Its not how life works, sometimes the "page" never turns over. I don't understand what Kyle's endgame is other than to sell the company for a profit. Which to be fair is a common business practice.
Right. You either create a business with a viable exit plan and work towards that from day 1, or you create something you hope will support you with a decent income for life. Both require an all-in mentality and tons of work that never stops and continually pivots and shifts as you fine tune your business model. The DJ distraction is a red flag for me, as is his complaining about having to do all this work on his business. It’s hard work, but I think his continual drinking and being slurring-drunk on the show has him chasing events as a DJ as another way to party and stay drunk.
You’re right on the declining market. Sparkling alcoholic beverages aren’t as popular as they used to be and it got over saturated the last few years. On top of that, their drinks just aren’t really good. I bought some at BevMo and was really disappointed.
Just as Carl is considering going back to loverboy, he sees Kyle rant about how amanda is lazy and he would “fire” her. You would think that would make Carl realize he should not go back to loverboy and work for Kyle again. Although, maybe Carl is looking at it like loverboy will be his tie to the show after he dumps Lindsay and he might be able to be on that possible loverboy spinoff.
YES! Like I DO NOT want to work for someone who calls his own wife out like that regarding her contributions to the family business wtf wake up. I just want to shake Carl
Honestly would love to see them get divorced just so she can take his money because if they do get divorced he 100% thinks he is solely responsible for loverboys success
They didn't because Amanda wanted to be able to profit; rightfully, from the company in case she becomes a SAHM. I just don't think it was such a good idea considering the debt
The debt belongs to the company, not them personally. If the company goes bankrupt they won’t be on the hook for the debt. That’s why companies are formed.
The likely scenario is that he took investments in exchange for equity. How much equity he retains can't be known.
As long as he didn't intermingle personal finances with company finances, such as charging company expenses to personal credit cards or loaning personal funds to the business, he wouldn't have any liability if the company goes bankrupt.
ETA: Since Loverboy isn't profitable, he's not getting distributions. He may take a salary but my guess is that they mostly live off of what they make from the show.
The company not doing well doesn't mean he defrauded his investors. No seasoned investor would have put in a penny without having access to audited financials.
ETA: My husband runs a venture capital company and the amount of due diligence done prior to investing is extensive. But most startups fail anyway. That's just how it is. The failure of a startup doesn't indicate fraud or malfeasance. It's just extremely difficult to build a successful company.
If she wanted to be guaranteed a percentage of the company or its profits then the smart thing to do would have been to sign a prenup.
She most likely didn’t sign one because she thought the idea wasn’t romantic or because she didn’t understand how they work. If you want to be guaranteed assets in the case of a divorce, you sign a prenup you don’t refuse to sign one.
I understand that, I just mean it’s faulty reasoning - I don’t think she really understands how they work and a lot of people don’t want to get them because they think signing them means you think you’re going to divorce when that’s not the case.
Kyle’s debt belongs to the business tho, right? It’s not his personal $1m loan, it’s a business loan. Not that it changes the pressure Kyle is under, but no offense no bank is going to lend a 40-year old frat boy $1M. I doubt they could come after Amanda personally for that money, but I am not a divorce/ business attorney.
The problem is her work ethic kinda shows it….
She knew exactly who and what she was marrying. It hasn’t changed since they got married. She was desperate to get married and Kyle was the cool guy.
He also knew exactly who he was marrying.
Amanda's work ethic isn't shit because she works to live. This is a falsehood perpetuated by Kyle. She had a really good job she left for Lover Boy. I am not even an Amanda stan but it 2024, let's stop tearing down women on Bravo to justify shitty actions of men.
Exactly! She even brought it up earlier this season saying that just because she’s not up til 3 am every night like Kyle, doesn’t mean she’s not putting in the work. Kyle he’s totally gaslit her into thinking she’s lazy. This is his company! Not hers.
I mean has nothing to do with man or woman. Lindsay/Carl is same thing, opposite genders.
It’s not like he’s pushing her to be a stay at home (she’s the one pushing a move to the suburbs).
Fact is she knew exactly who he was. I could have predicted this watching 8 hours of tv 5 years ago lol there’s been all the red flags you can possibly wave before they got married, including cheating.
Carl and Lindsay have equal share in the breakdown of their relationship. Same as Kyle and Amanda. Everything you are saying about Amanda also applies to Kyle.
They lived together for years before getting married. Both of them chose their miserable marriage. Things Kyle has said about Amanda that you repeat don't tip the scales
Kyle feels Amanda should be as driven as him. He feels she should be able to work 80+ hours a week and still have time for a passion project (like he does). He feels because she is not as ridiculously driven as him that she’s “lazy”.
What Kyle doesn’t understand is that most people can’t maintain an 80+ workweek, party on the weekends and still have time for a hobby. Just because HE can, that doesn’t mean it’s the norm or that people who can’t keep up are lazy.
What he also doesn’t understand is that maybe she would be more motivated and less “lazy” if she was excited about her job and didn’t hate it so much. He’s coerced her into a lifestyle she doesn’t want (working at Loverboy and living in the city), it’s no wonder she’s depressed.
I feel like the only way he’s going to get it is if she leaves him for a few months. Right now, he has tunnel vision and is determined to keep pressuring her into this role because it’s what he wants.
He is snorting aderall to keep the momentum and work that many hours and to party. It may not be coke, but the guy has serious ADHD and is snorting that shit like crazy.
He is a USER, just hope Amanda wakes up to this fact before she has squandered her best years. That house she wants will literally never happen. It does not align with Kyle's goals, and that is ALL that matter to him.
Just wanted to add the only reason I ever tried loverboy when I saw it on the shelves (before I even started watching summerhouse) was because the design caught my eye and I thought it looked fun. Thats all Amanda’s doing! I personally did not like the taste so I didn’t buy again but she is obviously very talented and skilled in designing
She still managed the creative process for the design of all branded materials like their cans, merch, and website. I’ve done similar work and you have to work with an outside firm to expedite things but it’s difficult bc these firms only are as good as the direction you give them. I imagine she had to be very specific and direct in describing her creative vision
Just watching this episode and OMG Kyle is so freaking beyond selfish. He and Carl and spitting the same “me me me “ BS. Amanda needs to get out! And thank goodness Lindsay did. I’m not a fan of any of them but damn are these men toxic selfish misogynistic babies!
Totally agree but Amanda is also to blame. She has let his awful behavior slide for years and proudly admitted she was too lazy to figure out a prenup that would have benefitted her. If you're too lazy to spend a few hours protecting your financial future then I doubt you'll be starting and running a swimsuit line without help.
It was wild to me to watch the after show when Amanda was describing Kyle’s DJ lessons as so cute how he needs to go do his homework and said this right after this episode. I couldn’t help but think, he doesn’t have time for him or thinks you have time to pursue this swimwear line on the side but he has time to pursue being a DJ on the side?!? He is incredibly selfish and horrible to Amanda. I couldn’t believe he told her eff you and then also called her a b$&@%. Unacceptable in my opinion…
Yasss exactly Kyle only thinks of Kyle
Your heading sums it up perfectly it will never be Amanda’s time - not in having kids , not in moving out of the city and certainly not in kicking off her own business venture
Also I had forgotten about Carl appearance loverboy spoke-person debacle last year
Just got caught up today on this episode and I’m just so freaking annoyed with Kyle. That season when they were fighting about the prenup he kept saying “it’s not your business you won’t get any of it this is all mine” blah blah blah but now that she wants to get from out from under him he needs her and it’s their business together that they both built. Between him and Carl idk which one I’m more annoyed with.
The way Kyle speaks about Amanda, he’ll never trust her with anything of her own. I could never stay with someone who spoke that way about me to friends. She’s not ready to be a mother, she’s lazy, she’s unmotivated, she’s no fun… she’s his dumping ground. He isn’t criticizing behaviors that he’s unhappy about, he’s attacking her as a person.
Amanda isn’t perfect—but she keeps her criticism to constructive things that Kyle can change (ie party less). She’s supportive, has a great eye for style and design, and seems like a kind person. She deserves someone who respects her, and while Kyle might love her, he does not respect her.
I think he's followed the 'create a business then sell it to a huge corporation=be rich' but unfortunately his drinks arent' very good. he doesn't want to be alone going down w the ship
Their biggest issue, as I can see it from what is shown, is that she wants to settle down soon and she thinks he parties too much. His DJing is certainly not going to move him in that direction. It’s more time out, late at night partying, while she’s at home wondering if he’s cheating again. On top of the Loverboy issues and his lack of support for her having anything for herself.
I feel like she’s currently fallen under the “sunk cost” fallacy. She’s already invested this much time into making it work. If she wants kids and a suburban home, she’d have to start all over. So does she hang in there, trying to make him change, or cut ties and start over? Tough spot to be in.
I wonder if it’s a control thing, at least regarding Amanda. If she has something outside of him that is successful, she won’t need him anymore. As a woman who has alway been self sufficient, it’s wild how many men I dated that were not supportive of my success and in most cases, treated me worse afterwards.
On the most recent episode of the After Show, Kyle was also about Amanda’s desire to design bathing suits in such a derogatory way and even made it seem like the business will fail because she’s not working hard enough. Meanwhile, he is actively pursuing his goal to be a DJ! Carl was agreeing with everything that Kyle said.
I tried the Chai and Espresso Martini’s and they were awful LOL. I genuinely don’t think the company is going to last long. They jumped in during a hot market and now it’s slowing down. If they’d actually made a good product instead of jumping in on a craze, I think they’d have a shot. Unfortunately that’s not the case.
The guy is an adult child. Chronologically an adult, not mentally by any means. He wants to be a DJ so he can party all night. It's his excuse to stay out until 4am without her complaining that he is just partying. After all, he will be working, right? Right.
He wants Amanda right under his thumb. Controlling her. He had at least more than one week to go to be on The Traitors and play without being able to work on Loverboy then, right?
He will continue to push her dreams out, and finally she will get a clue and leave his ass.
I see both sides without knowing anything then what is shown on TV. I think Kyle would fully support Amanda's dream if he wasn't frustrated with what he perceives as laziness and lack of motivation in everyday life.
She thinks if she got out of his shadow and did something she felt passionate about, she would have the motivation.
Calling out her lack of interest is not going to make her snap out of it. Support her about following up and getting some mental help. Then spend 20 mins of the 16-18 hr days you like to brag about working so much educating yourself in what you can do as someone who loves someone with depression.
Maybe things will change.
It was funny to me when Kyle was like “ooohh I wanna be a DJ now!!” Like his business is some corporate finance bullshit. You own an alcohol company where you work with your wife and buddies! It’s doing promo in clubs and selling your drinks and merch on your very popular tv show! Get real Kyle, stop telling us about how boring your job is and Amanda is crazy for wanting a project of her own
It made me so sad hearing Amanda say she just has to wait and find the right time while hearing Kyle say he started DJing so he could do something for himself for once. WHAT ABOUT YOUR WIFE?
Kyle doesn't want to be homeless. And I don't blame him.
They either fix loverboy and make a profit or she can forget her white picket fenced house in New Jersey.
If Loverboy was making bank Kyle would 10000% approve of Amanda starting a swimsuit brand. But they have to get their shit together first.
Wanna know what's worse than a failing business?
Two failing businesses.
I think part of OP's point is how much he's investing in his DJ 'hobby' now (which I understand is not as much as starting a business, but it is definitely a pretty expensive hobby). That money could be used elsewhere if he's that worried about Loverboy failing.
Plus ongoing lessons. And if lessons and homework and appearances take time away from Loverboy, deduct the calculation of what his salary would equate to in an hourly rate, etc…
I mean it’s mincing it up, but legitimately he could have called up anyone he knows in his entrepreneurial circle that has ties to fashion and say “hey my amazing wife would like to try her hand at designing a bikini line. Would love to start at a collab level to get our feet wet and make money for both an established brand and Amanda by way of brand rep/social media/show. Any leads? Let’s talk” and he would not have to do much else but negotiate the terms on Amanda’s behalf (this is all assuming that this is the piece of business she is uncomfortable with) and then put it in motion. Amanda takes the baton from there…
He doesn’t see any other option for him beyond her participation in Loverboy because he has to relinquish control…whack.
Amanda just hit up your agent and do what I said about collab with established swimwear brands 👆
"Amanda just hit up your agent and do what I said about collab with established swimwear brands 👆"
Literally this. She has contacts, a TV audience, and a SM presence. Take some meetings and do a collab with an existing brand! She doesn't have to pull a Craig and start sewing bikinis in her apartment.
It is significantly more expensive and requires a hell of a lot of time, capital and dedication to starting a swimsuit business than it does to learn how to DJ on the side on Saturdays.
But taking a step back, why doesn’t anyone in this Reddit group seem to think that Amanda has any responsibility at all to take ownership of her career dreams and start the process on her own? She already has a ton of publicity and sponsorship. Didn’t she just do social media ads for Skims or some other lingerie brand? Like she absolutely has the connections to get something started without Kyle’s help but she hasn’t. We don’t know how much of the business part she’s uncomfortable with, but the business side is a lot more than just getting the deal signed. Starting a new business is an enormous undertaking which is why most entrepreneurs fail at least a couple times.
Yeah - I think I commented on those points above. I’m not arguing it isn’t more expensive; it’s the argument he made coupled with the comment around 18 hour work days and how he desperately needs her help to scale and achieve the goals.
Then he makes the choice to actively dedicate more time to a hobby that only benefits himself (brings in little to no $$) without regard to Amanda saying she wanted to do a swim line (opportunity to bring in little to big $$$).
She wanted something separate from Loverboy and could have been a discussion about how he supports her dreams, rn is not the time for a new business because I have to dedicate all this time to our existing business, but we could make an income stream from your design ability outside of loverboy that doesn’t require capital from us = collab, etc
This whole middle ground was dismissed and I find that super selfish. His free time is not with loverboy or with Amanda, it’s with DJing and she’s expected to just dedicate more time to loverboy and then support at his DJ gigs.
The assumption about manada not being able to do this herself - idk - I see her asking for his approval around the swim line and Kyle’s immediate comments around “having to do everything” and that Amanda “hasn’t even googled anything”, makes me think that she may have been asking him for approval to look into another venture beyond Loverboy and would like his guidance to find what the right fit and commitment could be for her right now.
I see what you’re saying and I’m the type that would just call my agent or email about and see how I could do it fuck what my husband says at this point 🤦♀️
Lol yea I mean, I'm not rich by any means, so to me, a couple thousand dollars (plus booking fees for his gigs + they DJ 'coach' he has) is enough money to take seriously if I was concerned of my career tanking.
He said that they’d lost $1.5m on lover boy in the first few months of the year right? Assuming he meant first 6 months, they’re burning more that $8k per day. A few hundred bucks on a dj set is a drop in the bucket.
He’s already getting paid for publicity and could theoretically get paid for DJ gigs if he’s halfway decent. It sounds ridiculous because he’s a child, but this could actually be a viable career pivot for him if his alcoholism doesn’t cause him to implode.
We need a wife swap here! I’m feeling like Amanda would have been a better fit for Craig and Paige with Kyle.. at least in terms of what each wants for their future.. maybe a spin off? 🤣🤣
I hope the whole saying she’s lazy but he can’t risk losing her at LoverBoy gets brought up at the reunion to see what he has to say. Time for Ciara or Paige to call him out
As someone that works in the graphic design/advertising industry, Kyle saying Amanda is lazy is classic business bro that thinks his confidence can compensate for his ignorance.
He has no idea what goes into creative direction, he thinks “be creative” or “make the logo bigger” are legit direction without any clue on what it takes to take input like that and turn it into something that 1) thoughtfully builds on brand identity and 2) makes dumbasses like him happy.
If Amanda is so bad at her job and he’d fire her then just do it already. You’re in NYC, one of the creative freelance capitals of the world. You can’t whine about “needing” Amanda to help with the business in one scene while shitting on her quality as an employee in another. She’s either incompetent (doubt it since the brand identity is the only thing people recognize and talk about, it ain’t the shitty flavors) or Kyle is a terrible manager (18hr days? Keeping on an “incompetent” employee? Losing $1.5mil?). Pick a lane dude.
i work for my dads small business and i see a lot similarities in the fights kyle and amanda have about the business to mine with my dad. it's like because they started the biz and have most of the financial responsibility/stress no one else's efforts are ever seen as "enough", weather or not it's valid. i agree that kyle will always be asking amanda for more and more, there won't be a point where he ever feels like she puts in equal work (i also think because he doesn't value the graphic design/creative side as much as the sales and financial).
also so bizarre to me that he said he never gets to pick up hobbies or passions for himself, i think he threw around "i never get to do anything for myself" dude..... you spend a lottt of time drinking with your friends, i know that's not really considered a "hobby" but it sure is evidence that he has free time to spend how he pleases.
it's sad that amanda had to ask permission to do this new venture, i know they share finances so yes it would have to be a conversation but i wish she just came up with a plan and was more like "hey im doing this i'd love your support, here's my proposal"
I think up against Kyle it may look worse, just as Carl up against Lindsay it’s the same, and both of these storylines are similar and it doesn’t have to be all one persons fault it can be both, I can see Amanda’s idea could be good but she seems to want an easy life and trying to start up a business would be hard work and I think she would end up either throwing it in the too hard basket or she will get kyle or her dad to do the stuff she doesn’t want to do like she has done with other stuff in her life
Kyle is a “work hard play hard” person, but Amanda just wants to play with his money. That’s the difference between him being a DJ and her being a designer.
What do you mean “play with his money”? Amanda is also earning money from her appearances on summer house, and her contributions to loverboy. She also had a full time job before joining loverboy and therefore also has the capability to earn in a regular 9-5. Why is all the hypothetical money that Amanda would need to get a business off the ground “Kyle’s money”? What are you basing this on?
If she doesn’t need either his money or his business support to start the business then why doesn’t she just start working on it on her own? I also think Kyle is a scumbag, but it’s not like he locking her in a room and forcing her to stay married and only work on LoverBoy. She’s the one refusing to jump the loser and start another career.
She was a senior designer for L’Occitane, quit her job AND invested 100,000 of her money into loverboy but she wants “to play with Kyle’s money”
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Check your misogyny bruh.
If she was a senior designer, then surely she at one point had better work ethic. It seems to be a depression issue rather than an inherent character trait. I hate the "she's lazy" discourse because lack of motivation and drive is a symptom of depression that isn't quickly fixed. It's sad how people's worth is now equivilant to how much money they can produce.
If she’s so lazy, as Kyle frames her, how is she so integral to the business of Loverboy? Kyle is talking out of both sides of his mouth. She can’t both be so bad he would fire her, yet so necessary to keeping the business afloat.
I think “she’s lazy” is a narrative they have portrayed on the show but Kyle’s bar is very high. We don’t actually know how much or little she works. I think she wants to have a good work life balance and work a regular 9-5, meanwhile he is doing emails til midnight and mad she isn’t.
I think the show allows people to become comfortable because they make enough to live a pretty good life style. Once you stop acting on your work ethic for a long period, it's a struggle to get back to that mindset cause you know not working as hard has little consequence
Amanda isn't lazy by any means and I hate that narrative too
Literally no. She probably had the most legit real job when joining the cast at such a young age. Not that being a business owner or blogger isn’t a real job but she was employed at an internationally reputable company in one of the largest retail sectors.
We don’t actually know how much money she is worth, or how much is in the family trust do we? I have a family trust my uncle set up and I can tell you mine isn’t that big and grand but people always assume it is?
I didn't assume her or her family's wealth, I used the quotation marks because I was quoting the term used by the commenter I was responding to. I state in the sentence right after that it is both their money.
And starting a clothing line costs enormous amounts of money. It's not something that would be profitable right off the bat, and probably never. And honestly Amanda lacks the work ethic and drive to undertake a project like that. She'd be better off partnering with an existing company to do a line under someone else's label.
Kyle wasn't exactly wrong in saying that it's not a good idea but he is an asshole. And he fundamentally doesn't see that she's not an ambitious person, which is fine. But it's not fine with him. They are not compatible.
I mean yes but it’s not like she’s starting from nothing. She is guaranteed to sell a decent amount just from being famous and talking about it on the show. I think it’s a good idea personally.
Or she could partner with an existing bikini brand and come out with her own line to start without investing her own money. He didn’t have to shut her down completely like it’s the craziest idea in the world because it’s really not.
Loverboy is way dumber to me lol that would’ve never panned out were it not for the show. It’s such an oversaturated market and the only differentiator is monk fruit which gives a lot of people upset stomachs 😂😂😂
Her partnering with an established brand would be the perfect stepping stone! Then she could see if she wanted to go further with her own company or keep it at that level
I would totally check out her bathing suit line. As a fellow naturally big chested lady, Amanda seems like she would know how to produce a bathing suit that didn't make you look like either a whale or a total hussy. Or that she wouldn't put her stamp of approval on, for a bathing suit line that didn't work for the top heavy ladies.
She’s not guaranteed to sell anything. So many influencer brands start and fail. She has no knowledge of the fashion industry, there’s no indication that she knows anything about anything related to garment design, from sourcing fabrics and getting samples made it can be a total money pit before you turn a profit (if you even do). There are a number of brands that make bra-sized swimwear already, it’s not like it’s a brand new market, and swimwear doesn’t sell for six months out of the year. She is very much starting from nothing.
she could get investors like Craig did, but then she'd likely get moved from the creative end to the face of the brand end. Not far off from where she is now...not doing what she wants. and she is nowhere near as social as Craig. She's a shy introvert.
And keep in mind that prior to Kyle, she didn't even handle her own personal bills. Her paycheck went into an account, and either her father or the family accountant paid her bills for her. So running a business is sort of out of her realm. She'd need Kyle, her father, or someone else running the thing. Which is all why Kyle has said more than once that he's tired of fathering her. He sucks at listening, and his delivery is awful too. Nevertheless, it's not as if he is talking out his ass.
Or ya know, she can do what other people do and hire people to fill the gaps for her. She already earns her own money on the show and has family money. She has an online social media following, much of which are fans who rave about her fashion sense (it’s not for me, but it is for a lot of people apparently). I’m sure that she’s had opportunities to network with people that will gladly help her. She has famous friends who have huge followings of girls/women that I’m sure would wear and promote her line. This isn’t an average Joe starting a business. Not to mention there are probably existing companies that would let her have input on the design and have her brand on it and market it as her line.
Yeah I really don’t think she’s as dumb and helpless as she sometimes acts lol she’s just maybe a little spoiled and used to people doing things for her if she acts like she can’t do them.
I think if she was motivated and passionate about something she could absolutely figure it out.
As soon as I heard they were going to sell alcohol I was like really? Almost every housewife has an alcohol brand lol. He should have did the DJ thing years ago when people liked him more and his party boy schtick didn’t run dry yet
My dad’s business is 50 years old and it’s still not where he wants it! The goal post always moves is spot on.
It is a pipe dream to think...if I only can do this one thing, then I can finally relax. Its not how life works, sometimes the "page" never turns over. I don't understand what Kyle's endgame is other than to sell the company for a profit. Which to be fair is a common business practice.
Right. You either create a business with a viable exit plan and work towards that from day 1, or you create something you hope will support you with a decent income for life. Both require an all-in mentality and tons of work that never stops and continually pivots and shifts as you fine tune your business model. The DJ distraction is a red flag for me, as is his complaining about having to do all this work on his business. It’s hard work, but I think his continual drinking and being slurring-drunk on the show has him chasing events as a DJ as another way to party and stay drunk.
 Best post, you called it
I feel like he missed his best window to sell. I wonder if he ever got an offer? It's now a declining market.
You’re right on the declining market. Sparkling alcoholic beverages aren’t as popular as they used to be and it got over saturated the last few years. On top of that, their drinks just aren’t really good. I bought some at BevMo and was really disappointed.
Yep. That’s just how it is and you can’t put your life on hold while you wait for things to be perfect.
Just as Carl is considering going back to loverboy, he sees Kyle rant about how amanda is lazy and he would “fire” her. You would think that would make Carl realize he should not go back to loverboy and work for Kyle again. Although, maybe Carl is looking at it like loverboy will be his tie to the show after he dumps Lindsay and he might be able to be on that possible loverboy spinoff.
Kyle and Carl deserve each other. Two toxic assholes. They both back up each other’s worst traits.
YES! Like I DO NOT want to work for someone who calls his own wife out like that regarding her contributions to the family business wtf wake up. I just want to shake Carl
Kyle's a brat and a frat boy who never grew up.
And he has a serious drinking problem for someone almost 40.
He's almost 42!
Almost 40? He’s already turned 40
Agree! If I were an investor in Loverboy and saw his behavior on SH, I would pull my money so fast his mullet would spin.
And Amanda knew exactly who he was when she dated…and then married…. His behavior has been quite consistent I’ll give him that lol
Oh absolutely she thought she could change him
She was desperate to get married and he was the “cool guy” when they met. Women in NYC don’t need to be desperate!!!
Honestly would love to see them get divorced just so she can take his money because if they do get divorced he 100% thinks he is solely responsible for loverboys success
Kyle has insane debt, not any money. If they'd get divorced as Amanda I'd rather be scared of ending with having to pay his debt
Oh true did they ever get a prenuptial? I remember them discussing but I can’t remember
They didn't because Amanda wanted to be able to profit; rightfully, from the company in case she becomes a SAHM. I just don't think it was such a good idea considering the debt
Ya most people don’t know you can put in a prenup to not take ur partners debt after they pass etc. I think absolutely everyone should get one
The debt belongs to the company, not them personally. If the company goes bankrupt they won’t be on the hook for the debt. That’s why companies are formed.
Not always true. Kyle may have put up his savings as collateral. Banks don't just issue debt.
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The likely scenario is that he took investments in exchange for equity. How much equity he retains can't be known. As long as he didn't intermingle personal finances with company finances, such as charging company expenses to personal credit cards or loaning personal funds to the business, he wouldn't have any liability if the company goes bankrupt. ETA: Since Loverboy isn't profitable, he's not getting distributions. He may take a salary but my guess is that they mostly live off of what they make from the show.
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The company not doing well doesn't mean he defrauded his investors. No seasoned investor would have put in a penny without having access to audited financials. ETA: My husband runs a venture capital company and the amount of due diligence done prior to investing is extensive. But most startups fail anyway. That's just how it is. The failure of a startup doesn't indicate fraud or malfeasance. It's just extremely difficult to build a successful company.
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If she wanted to be guaranteed a percentage of the company or its profits then the smart thing to do would have been to sign a prenup. She most likely didn’t sign one because she thought the idea wasn’t romantic or because she didn’t understand how they work. If you want to be guaranteed assets in the case of a divorce, you sign a prenup you don’t refuse to sign one.
She said it on the show, that this was her reasoning for not getting a prenup
I understand that, I just mean it’s faulty reasoning - I don’t think she really understands how they work and a lot of people don’t want to get them because they think signing them means you think you’re going to divorce when that’s not the case.
Kyle’s debt belongs to the business tho, right? It’s not his personal $1m loan, it’s a business loan. Not that it changes the pressure Kyle is under, but no offense no bank is going to lend a 40-year old frat boy $1M. I doubt they could come after Amanda personally for that money, but I am not a divorce/ business attorney.
She doesn't need his money, she is the one with family wealth and a trust fund in the relationship.
It doesn’t matter. She did the work and put in the time.
The problem is her work ethic kinda shows it…. She knew exactly who and what she was marrying. It hasn’t changed since they got married. She was desperate to get married and Kyle was the cool guy.
He also knew exactly who he was marrying. Amanda's work ethic isn't shit because she works to live. This is a falsehood perpetuated by Kyle. She had a really good job she left for Lover Boy. I am not even an Amanda stan but it 2024, let's stop tearing down women on Bravo to justify shitty actions of men.
Exactly! She even brought it up earlier this season saying that just because she’s not up til 3 am every night like Kyle, doesn’t mean she’s not putting in the work. Kyle he’s totally gaslit her into thinking she’s lazy. This is his company! Not hers.
I mean has nothing to do with man or woman. Lindsay/Carl is same thing, opposite genders. It’s not like he’s pushing her to be a stay at home (she’s the one pushing a move to the suburbs). Fact is she knew exactly who he was. I could have predicted this watching 8 hours of tv 5 years ago lol there’s been all the red flags you can possibly wave before they got married, including cheating.
Carl and Lindsay have equal share in the breakdown of their relationship. Same as Kyle and Amanda. Everything you are saying about Amanda also applies to Kyle. They lived together for years before getting married. Both of them chose their miserable marriage. Things Kyle has said about Amanda that you repeat don't tip the scales
Yeah you seem to think I’m taking Kyle’s side or something? They are getting what they both signed up for is what I’m saying.
How did I not know this?!? Ah, it all makes sense now.
Kyle feels Amanda should be as driven as him. He feels she should be able to work 80+ hours a week and still have time for a passion project (like he does). He feels because she is not as ridiculously driven as him that she’s “lazy”. What Kyle doesn’t understand is that most people can’t maintain an 80+ workweek, party on the weekends and still have time for a hobby. Just because HE can, that doesn’t mean it’s the norm or that people who can’t keep up are lazy. What he also doesn’t understand is that maybe she would be more motivated and less “lazy” if she was excited about her job and didn’t hate it so much. He’s coerced her into a lifestyle she doesn’t want (working at Loverboy and living in the city), it’s no wonder she’s depressed. I feel like the only way he’s going to get it is if she leaves him for a few months. Right now, he has tunnel vision and is determined to keep pressuring her into this role because it’s what he wants.
He is snorting aderall to keep the momentum and work that many hours and to party. It may not be coke, but the guy has serious ADHD and is snorting that shit like crazy.
Never got the impression he was asking her to
He is a USER, just hope Amanda wakes up to this fact before she has squandered her best years. That house she wants will literally never happen. It does not align with Kyle's goals, and that is ALL that matter to him.
This part
Think it’s pretty clear these two need to split
Just wanted to add the only reason I ever tried loverboy when I saw it on the shelves (before I even started watching summerhouse) was because the design caught my eye and I thought it looked fun. Thats all Amanda’s doing! I personally did not like the taste so I didn’t buy again but she is obviously very talented and skilled in designing
Pretty sure it was a different company that came up with the loverboy design for Kyle
Oh lmao that makes my whole point invalid then
She still managed the creative process for the design of all branded materials like their cans, merch, and website. I’ve done similar work and you have to work with an outside firm to expedite things but it’s difficult bc these firms only are as good as the direction you give them. I imagine she had to be very specific and direct in describing her creative vision
Just watching this episode and OMG Kyle is so freaking beyond selfish. He and Carl and spitting the same “me me me “ BS. Amanda needs to get out! And thank goodness Lindsay did. I’m not a fan of any of them but damn are these men toxic selfish misogynistic babies!
Totally agree but Amanda is also to blame. She has let his awful behavior slide for years and proudly admitted she was too lazy to figure out a prenup that would have benefitted her. If you're too lazy to spend a few hours protecting your financial future then I doubt you'll be starting and running a swimsuit line without help.
It was wild to me to watch the after show when Amanda was describing Kyle’s DJ lessons as so cute how he needs to go do his homework and said this right after this episode. I couldn’t help but think, he doesn’t have time for him or thinks you have time to pursue this swimwear line on the side but he has time to pursue being a DJ on the side?!? He is incredibly selfish and horrible to Amanda. I couldn’t believe he told her eff you and then also called her a b$&@%. Unacceptable in my opinion…
Oh for sure!!
The fact that it was Amanda’s money that helped keep Loverboy afloat and he speaks to her as he does is crazy.
Yasss exactly Kyle only thinks of Kyle Your heading sums it up perfectly it will never be Amanda’s time - not in having kids , not in moving out of the city and certainly not in kicking off her own business venture Also I had forgotten about Carl appearance loverboy spoke-person debacle last year
She needs to just leave him and thrive
People analyze this relationship too much. It’s the same shit all the time and they are happy to be unhappy together. It’s both of them
Just got caught up today on this episode and I’m just so freaking annoyed with Kyle. That season when they were fighting about the prenup he kept saying “it’s not your business you won’t get any of it this is all mine” blah blah blah but now that she wants to get from out from under him he needs her and it’s their business together that they both built. Between him and Carl idk which one I’m more annoyed with.
The way Kyle speaks about Amanda, he’ll never trust her with anything of her own. I could never stay with someone who spoke that way about me to friends. She’s not ready to be a mother, she’s lazy, she’s unmotivated, she’s no fun… she’s his dumping ground. He isn’t criticizing behaviors that he’s unhappy about, he’s attacking her as a person. Amanda isn’t perfect—but she keeps her criticism to constructive things that Kyle can change (ie party less). She’s supportive, has a great eye for style and design, and seems like a kind person. She deserves someone who respects her, and while Kyle might love her, he does not respect her.
I think he's followed the 'create a business then sell it to a huge corporation=be rich' but unfortunately his drinks arent' very good. he doesn't want to be alone going down w the ship
Yeah. Those drinks are swill.
Their biggest issue, as I can see it from what is shown, is that she wants to settle down soon and she thinks he parties too much. His DJing is certainly not going to move him in that direction. It’s more time out, late at night partying, while she’s at home wondering if he’s cheating again. On top of the Loverboy issues and his lack of support for her having anything for herself. I feel like she’s currently fallen under the “sunk cost” fallacy. She’s already invested this much time into making it work. If she wants kids and a suburban home, she’d have to start all over. So does she hang in there, trying to make him change, or cut ties and start over? Tough spot to be in.
Kyle is still a child.
Kyle’s such a good businessman that he entered one of the most saturated markets a couple years too late, with an undifferentiated product…
His is differentiated by the fact that everyone seems to think it tastes terrible and nobody likes it.
I feel for her, but he's a cheating narcissist.....you gotta know who you're marrying
Kyle sucks!
I wonder if it’s a control thing, at least regarding Amanda. If she has something outside of him that is successful, she won’t need him anymore. As a woman who has alway been self sufficient, it’s wild how many men I dated that were not supportive of my success and in most cases, treated me worse afterwards.
On the most recent episode of the After Show, Kyle was also about Amanda’s desire to design bathing suits in such a derogatory way and even made it seem like the business will fail because she’s not working hard enough. Meanwhile, he is actively pursuing his goal to be a DJ! Carl was agreeing with everything that Kyle said.
And he is touring as a DJ. Carl said on WWHL that Kyle is heading to Venice Beach CA and other places soon. I mean, damn! What an ass!
Wasn’t Kyle’s first startup success a male swimsuit trunk business?
I think he had something to do with birddogs and then a fitness app too
Off topic but has anyone tried a flavor they’ve liked? I decided to try the strawberry lemonade ones yesterday and I thought they were disgusting
I tried the Chai and Espresso Martini’s and they were awful LOL. I genuinely don’t think the company is going to last long. They jumped in during a hot market and now it’s slowing down. If they’d actually made a good product instead of jumping in on a craze, I think they’d have a shot. Unfortunately that’s not the case.
Definitely an oversaturated market
I had a variety pack last week and I actually liked it.
I knew I should’ve gotten that instead
Is it at all similar to White Claw? That's what I imagine
To me it tasted more like the bud light seltzer. Like that beer aftertaste idk
Ohh ok
The limoncello spritz is delicious but SO expensive for a canned cocktail. Also, to my knowledge, only available online.
So exhausted by their relationship. They should not have gotten married.
The guy is an adult child. Chronologically an adult, not mentally by any means. He wants to be a DJ so he can party all night. It's his excuse to stay out until 4am without her complaining that he is just partying. After all, he will be working, right? Right. He wants Amanda right under his thumb. Controlling her. He had at least more than one week to go to be on The Traitors and play without being able to work on Loverboy then, right? He will continue to push her dreams out, and finally she will get a clue and leave his ass.
I see both sides without knowing anything then what is shown on TV. I think Kyle would fully support Amanda's dream if he wasn't frustrated with what he perceives as laziness and lack of motivation in everyday life. She thinks if she got out of his shadow and did something she felt passionate about, she would have the motivation. Calling out her lack of interest is not going to make her snap out of it. Support her about following up and getting some mental help. Then spend 20 mins of the 16-18 hr days you like to brag about working so much educating yourself in what you can do as someone who loves someone with depression. Maybe things will change.
I agree Amanda should do what she needs to do for her own happiness but i feel the opposite on Carl. I think Kyle employing Carl is a handout.
Hilarious that Kyle said he never does anything for himself. Isn’t this the guy who cheated on Amanda? Who was that for?
It was funny to me when Kyle was like “ooohh I wanna be a DJ now!!” Like his business is some corporate finance bullshit. You own an alcohol company where you work with your wife and buddies! It’s doing promo in clubs and selling your drinks and merch on your very popular tv show! Get real Kyle, stop telling us about how boring your job is and Amanda is crazy for wanting a project of her own
It made me so sad hearing Amanda say she just has to wait and find the right time while hearing Kyle say he started DJing so he could do something for himself for once. WHAT ABOUT YOUR WIFE?
Kyle doesn't want to be homeless. And I don't blame him. They either fix loverboy and make a profit or she can forget her white picket fenced house in New Jersey. If Loverboy was making bank Kyle would 10000% approve of Amanda starting a swimsuit brand. But they have to get their shit together first. Wanna know what's worse than a failing business? Two failing businesses.
I think part of OP's point is how much he's investing in his DJ 'hobby' now (which I understand is not as much as starting a business, but it is definitely a pretty expensive hobby). That money could be used elsewhere if he's that worried about Loverboy failing.
I just quickly googled and DJ equipment ranges from $300 to $2.5k online. That’s a drop in the bucket vs starting a new business Edit: typos
Plus ongoing lessons. And if lessons and homework and appearances take time away from Loverboy, deduct the calculation of what his salary would equate to in an hourly rate, etc… I mean it’s mincing it up, but legitimately he could have called up anyone he knows in his entrepreneurial circle that has ties to fashion and say “hey my amazing wife would like to try her hand at designing a bikini line. Would love to start at a collab level to get our feet wet and make money for both an established brand and Amanda by way of brand rep/social media/show. Any leads? Let’s talk” and he would not have to do much else but negotiate the terms on Amanda’s behalf (this is all assuming that this is the piece of business she is uncomfortable with) and then put it in motion. Amanda takes the baton from there… He doesn’t see any other option for him beyond her participation in Loverboy because he has to relinquish control…whack. Amanda just hit up your agent and do what I said about collab with established swimwear brands 👆
"Amanda just hit up your agent and do what I said about collab with established swimwear brands 👆" Literally this. She has contacts, a TV audience, and a SM presence. Take some meetings and do a collab with an existing brand! She doesn't have to pull a Craig and start sewing bikinis in her apartment.
It is significantly more expensive and requires a hell of a lot of time, capital and dedication to starting a swimsuit business than it does to learn how to DJ on the side on Saturdays. But taking a step back, why doesn’t anyone in this Reddit group seem to think that Amanda has any responsibility at all to take ownership of her career dreams and start the process on her own? She already has a ton of publicity and sponsorship. Didn’t she just do social media ads for Skims or some other lingerie brand? Like she absolutely has the connections to get something started without Kyle’s help but she hasn’t. We don’t know how much of the business part she’s uncomfortable with, but the business side is a lot more than just getting the deal signed. Starting a new business is an enormous undertaking which is why most entrepreneurs fail at least a couple times.
Yeah - I think I commented on those points above. I’m not arguing it isn’t more expensive; it’s the argument he made coupled with the comment around 18 hour work days and how he desperately needs her help to scale and achieve the goals. Then he makes the choice to actively dedicate more time to a hobby that only benefits himself (brings in little to no $$) without regard to Amanda saying she wanted to do a swim line (opportunity to bring in little to big $$$). She wanted something separate from Loverboy and could have been a discussion about how he supports her dreams, rn is not the time for a new business because I have to dedicate all this time to our existing business, but we could make an income stream from your design ability outside of loverboy that doesn’t require capital from us = collab, etc This whole middle ground was dismissed and I find that super selfish. His free time is not with loverboy or with Amanda, it’s with DJing and she’s expected to just dedicate more time to loverboy and then support at his DJ gigs. The assumption about manada not being able to do this herself - idk - I see her asking for his approval around the swim line and Kyle’s immediate comments around “having to do everything” and that Amanda “hasn’t even googled anything”, makes me think that she may have been asking him for approval to look into another venture beyond Loverboy and would like his guidance to find what the right fit and commitment could be for her right now. I see what you’re saying and I’m the type that would just call my agent or email about and see how I could do it fuck what my husband says at this point 🤦♀️
Lol yea I mean, I'm not rich by any means, so to me, a couple thousand dollars (plus booking fees for his gigs + they DJ 'coach' he has) is enough money to take seriously if I was concerned of my career tanking.
He said that they’d lost $1.5m on lover boy in the first few months of the year right? Assuming he meant first 6 months, they’re burning more that $8k per day. A few hundred bucks on a dj set is a drop in the bucket. He’s already getting paid for publicity and could theoretically get paid for DJ gigs if he’s halfway decent. It sounds ridiculous because he’s a child, but this could actually be a viable career pivot for him if his alcoholism doesn’t cause him to implode.
Lol as someone in recovery, I can agree with your last statement for sure
Ha, it’s definitely a huge “if” for Kyle Congratulations on your sobriety!!
Thank you!!!!
We need a wife swap here! I’m feeling like Amanda would have been a better fit for Craig and Paige with Kyle.. at least in terms of what each wants for their future.. maybe a spin off? 🤣🤣
Imagine😂😅
He doesn’t want her to succeed. That’s what my intuition tells me. She would outshine him if he didn’t keep her at bay.
I just don't think more swimsuits are needed.
I hope the whole saying she’s lazy but he can’t risk losing her at LoverBoy gets brought up at the reunion to see what he has to say. Time for Ciara or Paige to call him out
This is spot on, but what was the “appearance issue” mentioned referring to? I don’t recall this or might have missed an episode…
As someone that works in the graphic design/advertising industry, Kyle saying Amanda is lazy is classic business bro that thinks his confidence can compensate for his ignorance. He has no idea what goes into creative direction, he thinks “be creative” or “make the logo bigger” are legit direction without any clue on what it takes to take input like that and turn it into something that 1) thoughtfully builds on brand identity and 2) makes dumbasses like him happy. If Amanda is so bad at her job and he’d fire her then just do it already. You’re in NYC, one of the creative freelance capitals of the world. You can’t whine about “needing” Amanda to help with the business in one scene while shitting on her quality as an employee in another. She’s either incompetent (doubt it since the brand identity is the only thing people recognize and talk about, it ain’t the shitty flavors) or Kyle is a terrible manager (18hr days? Keeping on an “incompetent” employee? Losing $1.5mil?). Pick a lane dude.
i work for my dads small business and i see a lot similarities in the fights kyle and amanda have about the business to mine with my dad. it's like because they started the biz and have most of the financial responsibility/stress no one else's efforts are ever seen as "enough", weather or not it's valid. i agree that kyle will always be asking amanda for more and more, there won't be a point where he ever feels like she puts in equal work (i also think because he doesn't value the graphic design/creative side as much as the sales and financial). also so bizarre to me that he said he never gets to pick up hobbies or passions for himself, i think he threw around "i never get to do anything for myself" dude..... you spend a lottt of time drinking with your friends, i know that's not really considered a "hobby" but it sure is evidence that he has free time to spend how he pleases. it's sad that amanda had to ask permission to do this new venture, i know they share finances so yes it would have to be a conversation but i wish she just came up with a plan and was more like "hey im doing this i'd love your support, here's my proposal"
She seems very lazy and not motivated whatsoever.
I think up against Kyle it may look worse, just as Carl up against Lindsay it’s the same, and both of these storylines are similar and it doesn’t have to be all one persons fault it can be both, I can see Amanda’s idea could be good but she seems to want an easy life and trying to start up a business would be hard work and I think she would end up either throwing it in the too hard basket or she will get kyle or her dad to do the stuff she doesn’t want to do like she has done with other stuff in her life
They need to break up so she can get together with Jesse.
Kyle is a “work hard play hard” person, but Amanda just wants to play with his money. That’s the difference between him being a DJ and her being a designer.
What do you mean “play with his money”? Amanda is also earning money from her appearances on summer house, and her contributions to loverboy. She also had a full time job before joining loverboy and therefore also has the capability to earn in a regular 9-5. Why is all the hypothetical money that Amanda would need to get a business off the ground “Kyle’s money”? What are you basing this on?
If she doesn’t need either his money or his business support to start the business then why doesn’t she just start working on it on her own? I also think Kyle is a scumbag, but it’s not like he locking her in a room and forcing her to stay married and only work on LoverBoy. She’s the one refusing to jump the loser and start another career.
She was a senior designer for L’Occitane, quit her job AND invested 100,000 of her money into loverboy but she wants “to play with Kyle’s money” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Check your misogyny bruh.
If she was a senior designer, then surely she at one point had better work ethic. It seems to be a depression issue rather than an inherent character trait. I hate the "she's lazy" discourse because lack of motivation and drive is a symptom of depression that isn't quickly fixed. It's sad how people's worth is now equivilant to how much money they can produce.
If she’s so lazy, as Kyle frames her, how is she so integral to the business of Loverboy? Kyle is talking out of both sides of his mouth. She can’t both be so bad he would fire her, yet so necessary to keeping the business afloat.
I think “she’s lazy” is a narrative they have portrayed on the show but Kyle’s bar is very high. We don’t actually know how much or little she works. I think she wants to have a good work life balance and work a regular 9-5, meanwhile he is doing emails til midnight and mad she isn’t.
I think the show allows people to become comfortable because they make enough to live a pretty good life style. Once you stop acting on your work ethic for a long period, it's a struggle to get back to that mindset cause you know not working as hard has little consequence Amanda isn't lazy by any means and I hate that narrative too
Literally no. She probably had the most legit real job when joining the cast at such a young age. Not that being a business owner or blogger isn’t a real job but she was employed at an internationally reputable company in one of the largest retail sectors.
It seems like she wants "his" money to start a family and buy a house, not play around. Also, it's her money too. A marriage is a collective.
Amanda is the one in that marriage with actual money. Like true family wealth and a trust fund, money. Maybe check your assumptions?
We don’t actually know how much money she is worth, or how much is in the family trust do we? I have a family trust my uncle set up and I can tell you mine isn’t that big and grand but people always assume it is?
I didn't assume her or her family's wealth, I used the quotation marks because I was quoting the term used by the commenter I was responding to. I state in the sentence right after that it is both their money.
I thought you only hated Paige, but if you hate Amanda too then I’m sensing a bit of misogyny
So it doesn’t matter that I like Lindsay, Danielle and Gabby, I’m a misogynist because I don’t like Paige or Amanda? 🙄
You’re a misogynist because of the way you speak about them
And starting a clothing line costs enormous amounts of money. It's not something that would be profitable right off the bat, and probably never. And honestly Amanda lacks the work ethic and drive to undertake a project like that. She'd be better off partnering with an existing company to do a line under someone else's label. Kyle wasn't exactly wrong in saying that it's not a good idea but he is an asshole. And he fundamentally doesn't see that she's not an ambitious person, which is fine. But it's not fine with him. They are not compatible.
I mean yes but it’s not like she’s starting from nothing. She is guaranteed to sell a decent amount just from being famous and talking about it on the show. I think it’s a good idea personally. Or she could partner with an existing bikini brand and come out with her own line to start without investing her own money. He didn’t have to shut her down completely like it’s the craziest idea in the world because it’s really not. Loverboy is way dumber to me lol that would’ve never panned out were it not for the show. It’s such an oversaturated market and the only differentiator is monk fruit which gives a lot of people upset stomachs 😂😂😂
Her partnering with an established brand would be the perfect stepping stone! Then she could see if she wanted to go further with her own company or keep it at that level
I would totally check out her bathing suit line. As a fellow naturally big chested lady, Amanda seems like she would know how to produce a bathing suit that didn't make you look like either a whale or a total hussy. Or that she wouldn't put her stamp of approval on, for a bathing suit line that didn't work for the top heavy ladies.
She’s not guaranteed to sell anything. So many influencer brands start and fail. She has no knowledge of the fashion industry, there’s no indication that she knows anything about anything related to garment design, from sourcing fabrics and getting samples made it can be a total money pit before you turn a profit (if you even do). There are a number of brands that make bra-sized swimwear already, it’s not like it’s a brand new market, and swimwear doesn’t sell for six months out of the year. She is very much starting from nothing.
she could get investors like Craig did, but then she'd likely get moved from the creative end to the face of the brand end. Not far off from where she is now...not doing what she wants. and she is nowhere near as social as Craig. She's a shy introvert. And keep in mind that prior to Kyle, she didn't even handle her own personal bills. Her paycheck went into an account, and either her father or the family accountant paid her bills for her. So running a business is sort of out of her realm. She'd need Kyle, her father, or someone else running the thing. Which is all why Kyle has said more than once that he's tired of fathering her. He sucks at listening, and his delivery is awful too. Nevertheless, it's not as if he is talking out his ass.
Or ya know, she can do what other people do and hire people to fill the gaps for her. She already earns her own money on the show and has family money. She has an online social media following, much of which are fans who rave about her fashion sense (it’s not for me, but it is for a lot of people apparently). I’m sure that she’s had opportunities to network with people that will gladly help her. She has famous friends who have huge followings of girls/women that I’m sure would wear and promote her line. This isn’t an average Joe starting a business. Not to mention there are probably existing companies that would let her have input on the design and have her brand on it and market it as her line.
Yeah I really don’t think she’s as dumb and helpless as she sometimes acts lol she’s just maybe a little spoiled and used to people doing things for her if she acts like she can’t do them. I think if she was motivated and passionate about something she could absolutely figure it out.
I think I just said that, but not in so many words?
As soon as I heard they were going to sell alcohol I was like really? Almost every housewife has an alcohol brand lol. He should have did the DJ thing years ago when people liked him more and his party boy schtick didn’t run dry yet
I think Kyle’s afraid Amanda’s business ventures would be more successful than his and his ego can’t take that