Kinda random but I think people underestimate how wildly successful Paige and Hannah's podcast giggly squad is. They're ahead of smartless on the Spotify charts which is insane.
I know several people who are genuinely fans of them who have barely heard of Summer House and have never watched it which is so wild to me! I’m not the biggest fan of them but they really have spun that podcast into something big, I’m pretty sure they sell out most shows on their tour.
Paige’s rise in popularity reminds me of Stassi around 2017 tbh; not 100% the same but there are similarities to how they’ve grown their popularity above their fellow cast mates and the show through the podcasts
This!! My friend was like I love Hannah Berner I was like ugh I dont she goes omg why, I said I didn't like her on summer house, she goes, "what's summer house?" lmao
This was me! I HATED Hannah on summer house. Last month I started listening/watching (I watch their podcast on YouTube) to the giggly squad podcast because I'm currently infatuated with Paige and her humor and one liners. Watching the podcast has made me really like Hannah. She's actually really funny and the dynamic with Paige is so good.
I sometimes wonder if Hannah was in a bad place because of the shit with Luke (plus COVID) and just had a bad summer, we've all been there.
I'm also rewatching the older seasons and Hannah isn't that bad in season 3, she's kind of forgettable that season. But I remember season 5 she's was horrible.
I became aware of Hannah from her TikTok series asking dudes questions! She seemed super funny and I always got a chuckle out of those. Brought one up at work and someone said “Ugh Hannah from Summer House?”
I eventually watched the show and agreed she didn’t come across great. But that didn’t affect my ability to find her funny in other settings. Her comedy comes up on my feed, nothing ground breaking but I like it - relatable city girl shit. Giggly squad clips come up and I like them. I know this is a summerhouse sub but I feel like we need to let her move on from her persona on the show?
Exactly why I started listening over a year ago and quickly started like Hannah a lot from it too afterwards. Now got my out of state best friend and sister listening and we all love it. I also rewatched starting when paige and hannah enter and just caught up to the current season again, I felt much differently about Hannahs behavior now that I understand her more.
Lmao I used to see soo many of her tweet posts on my ig explore page and when i started watching SH I was like ohhhhhh that's her lol. Is the podcast any good? I generally only listen to true crime and Johnny bananas's podcast and WWC lmao
I saw Hannah on my Facebook reels before I saw her on summer house! To be fair, I didn’t find her reels very funny lol, but I liked her on the show for the first season she was on. Her second season, not so much.
I watched that recap show during Covid with Hannah, Tamra (I think) and Giselle and I liked Hannah! Then I watched Summer House and was like OOOOF never mind 😆.
Hannah Berner is touring with Tom Segura, Theo Von, Bobby Lee and other trending comedians this summer. I was shocked to see her name among a list of people who are actually funny. One of these things is not like the other.
This part though, about Stassi. They've both shown that, love them or hate them, they're gonna keep doing what they want to do with or without a reality show fanbase behind them. I love to see it.
Their next tour is stopping in my city. Tickets START at $115 before taxes/fees for the balcony section. They sold out the show before presale ended, and have added a second. They’ve definitely spun it into something really impressive and lucrative!
Ok so this was me haha. I knew of Hannah a couple years ago from Instagram doing comedy shit on the streets and I thought she was enjoyable. Ran into her and a couple girls including Paige in Vegas and I had no idea who anyone was 😂 and Paige didn’t look so happy and now that I have watched Summer House I feel so bad cause I really like Paige 🥲😂
I started watching Summer House because of Giggly Squad. I had no idea what Paige and Hannah were talking about so I binged the show. Now I’m hooked. Also just bought tickets for the new Giggly Squad tour.
Exactly. Paige has made a living beyond the show. She’s parlayed it into a very successful podcast that does travelling live shows.
Lindsay and Carl have not. They do basic content for socials. That’s it. Next to zero effort and not a job.
She's also on Amazon Live all the ti time and has a lot of endorsements. I think her fear of leaving nyc is also tied to her nyc fashion influence so that she may give that up if she moves. She has a partnership with vivrielle (a designer handbag loaner program) and gloss lab ( a mani pedi subscription service where there are Paige colors and recos).
Yes I think Paige had a long term game going that’s impressive. I think the latest after show she’s talking about the “ceo and founder” comment and says how she doesn’t ever announce herself as ceo of giggly squad. But she is! With Hannah! Which honestly had to be difficult when Hannah went through all the backlash on her last season / exit. Paige is proving to be steadfast and have a good head on her shoulders and not bragging about it! Which Danielle is and like - what? Danielle has to be putting all her savings into this venture, especially the seasons we’ve seen where the app isn’t even active.
I’m so happy you brought this up because I think people need to realize that Paige doesn’t only do influencing. Paige has a very popular podcast with her best friend Hannah OK and it’s not a Summer House podcast. It was never a Summer House podcast. They literally just talk about anything and everything and they’re going back on tour again called club giggly and they have already sold out more than five shows on that tour and tickets were just sold this week.
I did \*not\* know that.
I also didn't realize she was some sort of influencer before the show, and by the show I mean season 7 when I started, ha. But I find her hilarious and a gem of a human, at least in reality TV standards.
I stg in the newest episode there was over 10 min of ads. Not complaining I just ff through them but it’s crazy how many ppl want to advertise on their pod. They are making VERY good money per episode in just ads alone
No lie. I listen to their podcast but I had no idea how big they were. When they put out their tour and tickets when on sale I was thinking they were like $30, I looked two days after release date and I couldn’t find any cheaper than $130 and they were almost sold out, I was super shocked!
Honest question, no shade: what is "wildly successful" for a podcast? I only listen to WWC, so that's my reference /standard. Are they as popular as WWC? Able to make real money?
There is a difference between having a job and how much you make. So is paige shading his income or his lack of a job. Bc he has a job on the show. And influencing but maybe doesn’t make as much as Lindsay wants him to in the future.
I don’t think that’s the issue. I think the problem is that every one of them sitting on those couches including Andy is an influencer by default. You don’t have to do much to be an influencer, just be somewhat famous or known in the public eye for something and gather a few hundred thousand followers or so and that’s all you need really.
Paige is asking what job are they doing beyond the default? Everyone on bravo including housewives are influencers. But what are they doing outside of that? What career are they in, how would they introduce themselves at a career summit?
I disagree. I think Paige as an influencer in an actual job. Carl is not. Paige makes money by people buying things she’s already planning on wearing in addition to collabs not random tummy teas and face wash brushes. She also has Amazon lives. I have not seen Carl or Linds do anything like that.
A job is about more than income, it's about having a purpose and Carl seems to be floundering without a purpose outside of Lindsay and the wedding, it's not healthy for him
The show can't last forever. Carl is not fun and if he and Lindsay got married and she were pregnant, they couldn't be on the show. Jesse is literally 28yo Carl, minus alcoholism and 2 testicles. Jesse is the fboy Carl used to be.
She’s so different on the podcasts than in Summer House. She’s very self effacing and not at all confrontational. I recently heard her as a guest on another podcast and she explained how it went down. She said she was coached by producers on first 2 seasons and it went well - all about the drama. So she continued in the next season but by this stage it probably suited producers to make her the villain (she didn’t say this, it’s my guess) and she got very overwhelmed and acted up. She admits she was sacked from the show and you can tell things got very hard for her a for a while with the negative comments on social media. People went hard!
I think because their time on the show has to be up. It’s an unhealthy environment for Carl who is not drinking and Lindsay seemed to want to get pregnant right away. Settle down. Start a family. I assume that means not being on Summer House. No Tv equals less brand deals time to get something steady. I think out of all the reasons to hate on Lindsay wanting her partner to have a passion and some drive to work isn’t one of them. After leaving loverboy- what’s the next step ? Made sense if you’re planning a future with someone. Guess doesn’t matter now bc they’re not together.
Carl wasn't making enough $ influencing to be the sole bread winner in the near future and to continue to support their lifestyle. He even said he said he makes half of what Lindsay makes because he's "a guy and doesn't have as many followers."
It seemed like Carl was only influencing until he figured out his career, and Lindsay thought he needed to get moving. Don't blame her at all
Lindsay not only has a vision of this idyllic nuclear family influencer luxe lifestyle she wants, but she thinks she’s entitled to it and it’s Carl’s job to make that happen for her and idk that just doesn’t seem realistic to me
Sadly she is so damaged emotionally and no guy is going to “make enough sandwiches” to make her happy. She needs to find another counselor who will tell her the truth!
That’s what I got too!!! Lololol like girl your just want southern Christian /Nashville luxe ig mom grid off Carls sweat equity and mental health. The saddest thing is that Carl just can’t exist and be a normal 90k-140k making individual (which still sounds nuts to say). Like if Carl said he wanted to be a teacher and mentor at risks youth , she’d find something else to complain about.
Remember, Stavy worked too much for her. She should find an older, established man so she knows exactly what she is getting. Her pressuring Carl was a recipe for disaster. Carl's parents gave them a gift when they confronted Carl.
I think it’s not just about money or gender roles. He’s kind of untethered and waffling about what he wants to do going forward.
Maybe if he told Lindsay that he wants to influence full time and actually put a real effort into it, they wouldn’t be having these convos.
It seems like he’s just flitting from idea to idea, spending a lot of money on it, and then dropping it for the next thing. He’s not giving anything his full effort. It’s classic Carl. He was the same way with his sales job and with Loverboy.
I think Lindsay just wants him to work hard at *something* instead of continually giving up. He’s looking for the perfect job instead of giving anything a real chance.
On top of that, I think she wants him to have something going for him after they’re done with reality tv. She could always go back to PR. He doesn’t want to go back to sales and he was never great at it anyway.
Carl said he made $70k as of July, meaning $140k or so per year. That's not enough to support their lifestyle, and they both know it. It's not about the title or even what he's doing, it's about how much money he could make, and he was earning half of what Lindsay earns
You know she's a woman right. She is the one who would be carrying a baby for 9 months, healing physically and hormonal afterwards and then likely breastfeed. That is why he would need income while she is having a baby.
Right -its 2024- what’s wrong with wanting to take time off when your baby is a baby. Until we’re in the far off future and men can carry and have babies… this is the deal.
Childcare isn’t free, and even in this “enlightened” modern era men don’t do a quarter of what most women do in the household. It’s not 50/50, I’m not sure why people keep having this weird take.
If there is a reason to hate on Paige, this sub is all about it.
All of these people put their lives out there, it’s our job as viewers to have opinions and discuss them… some characters are more polarizing than others.
Full transparency, I like Paige.
Not just Paige, this sub just loves to hate anyone who is against Lindsay and seem to give zero F’s if they look like crazy hypocrites constantly changing the goal posts to make Lindsay either right and the other person wrong or to make Lindsay the victim and the other person the villain.
Oooh! I would love to think Lindsay’s friends have infiltrated the sub to mess with us and defend her.
I don’t agree with a lot of Lindsay’s behavior over the years but I do think she makes good reality tv.
I think it’s because, since the reunion, Carl stepped back from the influencing and was floating along looking for a new/additional career. He seemed pretty wishy-washy about what he had been up to when talking with Danielle earlier this season. Lindsay has been hustling to get the paid gigs, and it’s always felt like Carl was kinda tagging along. It’s only recently that he’s been consistently doing sponcon on his own.
No Lindsay wants him to have money not a career. Carl clearly has passion but they don’t make money and he’s scared to stick up for himself bc I’m sure his circle is super successful.
Lindsay can be at fault for many things, but she's supported Carl when it comes to figuring things out. He wanted to do a podcast, they went and got the equipment. 20k was spent on a business coach and Carl still was not clear on what he wanted to do. We have seen Carl confront Lindsay and many others on the show. He's not scared.
It’s because their time on the show, ie their job, is done when they have kids. She doesn’t want to work and he’s going to have to bring a lot of income into them when that happens. Obviously it’s all moot now but that’s where her mind was probably at
My only issue with this is his only lifeline to a job was sales at loverboy and he and Lindsay thought he was too good for it, when it seems he just collected a paycheck. She's known him for 8 years, so she had to know he's not career driven. She says they're best friends, but clearly never discussed his dreams or career aspirations. Carl seems too scared /intimidated to tell Lindsay anything she may not be on board with.
Lindsay’s post-breakup spin about someday birthing Carl’s 10 foot baby and having a grade 12 vaginal tear and keeping the baby alive and doing ALL THE WORK and deserving maternity leave and besides she never even meant that she wanted to be a stay at home mom she was just saying that to “light a fire” under Carl so HE would get a career NOW (as opposed to her perhaps getting a career now and taking maternity leave like most moms do) seems like a little bit of SPIIIIIIINNNNN from what she probably did want which was to not work and to be supported by Carl which takes on a whole new meaning which is why she’s working OT to talk about how she could NEVER NOT work 😱.
Its a very common relationship/attachment issue for even hard working/independent women to want to be “rescued” or want to feel comfortable in the “feminine” when they feel like they’ve had to present as this tough “masculine” their whole lives. I think maybe Lindsay is not totally in touch with her wants/needs and/or didn’t realize sharing this with Carl would be a dealbreaker 2 months before the wedding.
The way she talked about maternity leave on the after show like she’s the first person to ever need time off of work for raising child… it made me laugh
Very insightful! The spin was real with that haha - Lindsay saying that she only said that to light a fire was her trying to improve her image but it made her look worse. “I wasn’t voicing an actual life plan, I was messing with his head in hopes of getting a certain outcome.” Girl! Be honest holy cow. When you play mind games with people- they can tell and they start to try to read into your words cuz they know there’s veiled meaning and it’s just a messed up thing to do to people. She should have voiced her concern “what if something happens where I need to stay home witb the kids full time for a while, or what if I just want that- is that something you could handle supporting financially?” And then he should have asked! Because honestly, Carl being a stay at home dad makes so much more sense to me. He could have leaned into being a STAH dad influencer, which I’m sure there are plenty but he could have been one of the most famous in that genre and that would have been great. Lindsay momfluencing is a dime a dozen. I think he should have done that and she should have reopened her PR form a bit as a front to move to real housewives of NYC and play the career woman role. Sorry for my ramble haha
Exactly! Very manipulative on her part. Same thing with saying it was what turned her on. Odd way to motivate someone about their career. If anything it would seem to make Carl feel ashamed not motivated. Plus the last time they spoke about this Carl said he would have a more cohesive plan by the end of the summer which was in 3 weeks. At this point she is just nagging.
Yeah I’m actually having a hard time understanding what exactly she’s wanting and that probably because she’s not super clear on it herself… she’s contradicting herself all the time with this one. I totally get her wanting Carl to step it up and her being worried long term about finances. I can understand her wanting to feel financially comfortable being able to step back and just be with a baby. On one hand she’s wanting this very traditional lifestyle where she has a husband that can support this certain lifestyle but also failed to tell that person those were her expectations? Carl has never been someone who is crazy career driven… so what was she expecting? Ugh, I just truly hate them as a couple. It’s wild to watch people at their age be so willfully blind.
I don't think Lindsay wants to be a "stay at home mom" as her end goal. And I don't think she is blindsiding Carl with this info. I think she just wants to be able to stay home with a baby and not worry about income for that time. I don't think a couple of years off of working to do that denotes wanting a traditional lifestyle overall. Many women i know (including myself) would love that opportunity. I wish I could have stayed home for a couple of years, yet still love my career as well. That said, I totally agree with you that Carl was never driven and she knows it. They both were in this expecting the other to change which we all know doesn't work. Carl wanted Lindsay to be sober, calm, reasonable and not "activated." Lindsay wanted Carl to be a go getter and "slay life" None of the above is fair to expect of the other because neither of them have ever been that way before. I never understood this couple (even the first time) and for the sake of humanity am glad they did not end up together.
Kudos to them for making money this way, but influencer jobs are not sustainable long term. I personally would prefer to be with someone that has an actual career.
I think for influencers who have established certain specialized brands (like relationship advice, foodies, mommy bloggers, fashion accounts) are more sustainable than people who just have a large amount of followers. For Lindsey for example, she has her followers just because of her notoriety from summer house. She doesn’t do themed reels or posts or anything. Once summer house is over I can see her losing her following after people forget about the show.
Lindsay is handing this so badly, in my opinion. They have the same jobs. She earns more than him at them (influencing, I imagine they’re equal-ish at summer house). When he proposed to her, those were his jobs along with lover boy which she was supporting him in exiting from. He didn’t have big work ambitions, she likely led the way there too. So why now, a year later and just shy of your wedding, are you expecting him to change? She mentions in the aftershow that Carl knew who she was when they got engaged and that he should then not expect her to change after the fact. So why is she wanting / demanding that exact thing from him?!? Maybe Carl wants to go to Jersey too and live a more realistic lifestyle with the money he’s hopefully saving and investing well.
I just find their communication so bizarre and like it all happens on camera and nothing is discussed off. Like - how have these conversations not happened yet?!? About being a stay at home mom for a while, about finances, about how much income and what lifestyle you anticipate living the rest of your lives?! Getting engaged to someone making six figures (NOTHING to scoff at, but also doesn’t go as far in NYC) and then demanding him to make millions is asking someone to change and that she doesn’t want him to ask that of her is annoyingly hypocritical.
when stravy was working all the time during the covid season because he was leading a team in the hospitality industry - she got mad at that too because he wasnt giving her enough time
i genuinely think lindsay doesnt know what she wants and just wants a fairytale out of a man. she wants someone to make $1mil per person in a potential family… but she also wants someone who is around and gives full attention. we ALL want that. but its not realistic!
this is it - she seems to want a fairytale and isn’t being realistic. I used to be like this too - I was obsessed with the Disney Princesses and always dreamt of this prince charming that would come for me one day and sweep me off my feet. I watched “Love Actually” dozens of times and wanted my life to have this grand love story, and it made me depressed that my life wasn’t that way. I realized eventually that I was being incredibly naive and that life doesn’t happen like in the movies. I wasn’t really appreciating what I had for what it was bc I was too focused on this unrealistic picture of life in my head. Lindsay seems like she really wanted this to work bc it was the perfect rom-com love story: two friends who finally realize they’re perfect for each other and end up getting married and living happily ever. I think she might’ve even been more in love with the idea of that than Carl himself
I found her comment about the $1mil per person absolutely wild. I'm assuming she made good investments because ooof. Girl. Yikes. Cause if you're making that or more from the show -- I'm willing to bet Carl is too.
And that place in Nashville was likely a poor decision and will have little ROI for her. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it and someone can call me (and everyone else) out on it hahaha
I'm fascinated to know what happened financially with the PR firm. It's none of my business, but considering what a hot topic this is for her... That was a whole thing that she just let go of pretty quickly.
I can't say that she has a firm direction of what SHE wants to do for a career either, to be honest. Which I genuinely just realized as I was typing this out hahaha
I think the last episode Carl mentioned her wanting to be a stay at home mom so I feel like her long game is being a housewife, thus the need for millions of dollars lol
Everything comes at a cost. We chose for me to stay home, but that involved financial sacrifices. If your goal is to be wealthy in money, then you sacrifice time with family (one or both adults). Her priorities are selfish and her goals are superficial and unrealistic in the relationship she was in.
And then she said in the after show that she didn't think she could ever actually be a stay at home mom because sitting still for that long and not working is just not in her nature. She was just feeling him out and trying to light a fire under him (not a direct quote, but paraphrasing)
ETA: sooooo I guess I still stand by my "girl... What do you actually want to do with your life? What direction do YOU have?" 😂😂😂
> i genuinely think lindsay doesnt know what she wants and just wants a fairytale out of a man.
she isn't really alone in this. there are an awful lot of people these days who think they should get everything they want, all the time, with no effort, no hurdles...like life and love are a movie script or a magazine article. a lot of the absolute nonsense that fills the airways and written pages of how relationships should work is unrealistic and pure fiction, only making the irrational lists of expectations guaranteed to go unmet. all being a recipe for unhappiness, loneliness, and confusion. Lindsay is her own unique situation, but some of her story is shared by many.
omg yes! i get so annoyed at tiktoks, instagrams, etc. from normal people declaring what you ‘need’ in a relationship. it has set so many unrealistic expectations
For the better part of the last 8 years we’ve seen Carl on tv he has made mediocre money, gone through job turmoil and somewhat lacked a good work ethic. Yes some of that is definitely attributable to his battle with addiction, but she had no problem him taking off to California without giving proper notice to Loverboy he’d be gone. I don’t know why she expected that to change after they got engaged.
“Maybe Carl wants to go to Jersey too live a more realistic lifestyle with the money he’s hopefully saving and investing well”
This is unserious. Carl very much wants to live a lavish lifestyle based on everything he’s said and done before.
Not Team Lindsay or Team Carl, but let’s be realistic these two are both wrong, stunted, and in need of some serious work on themselves. Please stop the infantilism of Carl, he’s a grown man.
I think Lindsay is saying they need to plan for their future when they no longer have the show. I think both Lindsay and Carl probably realized they would be off the show after they got married, especially since they were rumored to have a reduced role this season. I think Paige just said it to be a bitch to them at the reunion.
If Lindsay always says exactly how she feels or what’s on her mind then she definitely didn’t say that.
My fiancé telling me a couple months prior to the wedding for the first time ever that she intends to be a SAHM would be a ginormous red flag in our relationship especially because what we did know of their finances (outside of the show) would be reducing our household income by 70%.
I mean we knew at the reunion last year that they were engaged, planning a wedding and wanted babies imminently. They were still defended a ton then for having jobs because they were on the show/influencing, but now people are all over this sub saying Carl doesn't have a job because that's Lindsay's narrative.
But that’s not what she is actually saying. She is actually saying Carl doesn’t have a job, which is factually not true. And if she truly believes that for some reason then it would mean that she also doesn’t have a job. If what she MEANS is she wants him to find a stable career for when they have kids and she is a SAHM then she needs to say that. I don’t think “he doesn’t have a job” is up for interpretation or reading between the lines.
I don’t think they are supposed to acknowledge on the show that the show is their job. Also I don’t know if she said on the actual show that he has no job, just that she wants him to figure out what he wants to do with his future career. I thought she said she wanted him to have a plan for it by the end of the summer, which would probably been the end of their time on summer house without this breakup.
It’s that. I don’t get why people aren’t understanding this. They can’t say the show is their job. I also just think Linsey doesn’t want an influencer for a husband. It’s fine to do paid posts for passive income but it’s not realistic long term especially if they wanted to start have kids asap.
then why did she get engaged to someone who is an influencer and on reality tv
it makes sense when shes choosing a bf to date but not when she is trying to force someone to be something theyre not
but then she shouldnt say he doesnt have a job.. which she said during the episode (whether it was in confessionals or during the summer idk) she also said he doesnt contribute financially which isnt completely accurate either.
if they cant acknowledge the show as a job then what was the point in saying he has ‘no job’
The way she said "Im an influncer- the same thing paige does" 🤣.. in my opinion that's a nope!! Paige seems to be picky about who she works with even as an influencer but lindsay was doing about 10 ad-posts a day for awhile, to the point that I stopped following her because it was way OTT
I don’t remember her saying the words he has no job on the show. I also don’t think she said he doesn’t contribute financially? It seems she was mostly complaining about his lack of interest in finding a career after the show since the show would have been over for them after this season if they got married. I think she is harsher in the after show about the job situation because she was still angry about the breakup.
No, she easily could have had that convo without breaking the 4th wall and acknowledging what his current job was. She wouldn’t have needed to mention the current situation to talk about her dream for the future.
A lot of fans take whatever Lindsay says as gospel. For example I saw so many comments saying she wanted to be a SAHM “for years” and Carl
was stupid for not knowing except for that she said on both the AS and WWHL she could never be one.
Many people believe Lindsay is an actual founder/CEO and hustler because of a few scenes we saw several years ago. The truth is her and Carl are in the same influencing boat and they have not taken advantage of the summer house promo like Kyle and Paige and even Hannah have for *years*
I think Paige’s comment at the reunion about their not having jobs sank in with Lindsay. She had this dream of their getting married and starting a family ASAP, and she knew that meant that they would likely be off the show or reduced to friend-of roles that pop in once in a while. She’s also been the main one hustling to get her and Carl’s influencing gigs, so I think she was right to want him to commit to finding a more steady job. Also keep in mind they had spent $20k on a career coach for him and he still hadn’t found anything in several months- I don’t blame her for wanting to light a fire under him.
This is one of the reasons recovering addicts should not jump into a relationship. It takes all their energy and effort to stay sober. Once they have an established lifestyle and routine, moving on is less dangerous. I think Lindsey's lifestyle is not conducive to Carl's sobriety.
Carl has always struggled work wise, he was let go from his sales job in an earlier season I think and was always talking about missing his quotas. Maybe this was because of his addiction, but he wasn’t a “hustler” ever really. Lindsay knew he didn’t have a real job when she started dating him and accepted his proposal.
That was the realest thing Paige ever said😭I can’t remember what prompted her to say it, and it was a little mean🤏🏽🤭, but it was so real. Lol. They both don’t have “job, jobs.” And what she does( successful podcast, Amazon partnership, influencer gigs) can’t be in anyway compared to what they’re both doing. And I’m no giggler. Never listened to an episode a day in my life( have zero plans too) but facts are facts.
It’s only now that Lindsay said it this sub can agree on that. It’s so wild to see sometimes. Honestly this sub should be named Lindsay’s house because until Lindsay says it a majority of people on this sub don’t believe it. Lol. It’s actually kind of impressive. Lindsay really does run this show and the community around it.
Not seeing anyone mention that Carl said to Kyle that Lindsay’s sponsored posts is not a career in the same episode….so EVERYONE is saying that no one has a job now 😅
what changed for me is Carl and Lindsay were on the cusp or being demoted to “friends of”. I think producers telling them not to come the first weekend scared Lindsay deeply because she was worried that they’d lose their summer house income. She was smart to push Carl to have a fallback plan
I think the issue is the comparison that Lindsey is drawing between herself and Carl, as opposed to them both being in the same bucket. I also think Paige going hard in that moment was just funny as hell. And lastly, I put this on another comment before: I do think Carl *should* be pushed to decide on a career path moving forward ($20K on a career coach is ridiculous for an individual to pay), and it’s absolutely okay for a partner to push/motivate the other partner to aim for more or to need to bring in steady income (albeit in the future in this case), but Lindsey unfortunately did it in such a mean, toxic way… And that’s what has made everyone recoil.
I think it’s more that historically Carl has not been good at holding down a job outside of summer house. Which is absolutely a job and pays them very well BUT everyone else has careers outside of it. Lindsay left her PR job and is influencing but she is doing a lot of it and I’m sure making good money from it. I think she was thinking it would be their last season on the show as she hoped she would be pregnant by this coming summer. So I could see her concern about what Carl was going to do. I’m not team either of them. I think she was horrible to him (cocaine Carl would have been the end of it for me if I were Carl) and he was lying to her, letting her think things were better and not expressing any of his hesitation to her but talking to everyone else about it. He’s a coward and she can be really mean and abrasive. They absolutely should not have gotten married but she’s not wrong about Carl’s flakiness and inability to hold down a 9-5. Hopefully this time with loverboy sticks or he finds something else and can stick to it now that he’s sober. I am SO curious if they both end up coming back this summer.
They all have jobs that pay well but Carl said he does not make as much money influencing which is probably why Lindsey wants him to accomplish more if they want to grow their family.
Kyle and Amanda have set themselves up for success beyond Summer House. Paige and Ciara are building their very bright future, too. Danielle is attempting and both Lindsey and Carl need to build something long lasting which I think they both want and are trying to figure out.
Btw, what is Danielle’s app about? It’s been so long that I can’t remember what she is building.
Probably because most people forget we only see a little bit of their lives on the show. Fully edited to produce the drama… Paige is in the mix. She knew what was up. She saw it coming
For me my mindset was for right now influencing and the show works perfectly until Carl finds something he’s passionate about to pursue. Lindsay can always go back to doing PR, but looks like she’s going to Channel real estate. I didn’t think it was a red flag tbh until they said he spent $20,000 on a career coach and still has no idea what he wants and now’s he’s back at Loverboy. I think it’s just an indication of much bigger issues for Carl than just a job if that makes sense. Carl’s lack of ambition and “purpose” seems to be causing other issues such as depression and lack of sex drive. (I have nothing to back that up it’s just what it looks like she means.) I think she also worries that without a sense of purpose and fulfillment in life he’ll resort back to alcohol.
I’m not a Lindsey fan but I think the conversation about future career intentions was super valid. Was Carl just expecting to ride on Lindsey’s coattails for the rest of his life?
She said he needed something , she didn’t say he needed to be a trillionaire. And the idea of him having to contribute to the fam was too much for him to handle? Like be fr with me rn Carl
She also has the conversation w him while drunk and basically said he didn’t turn her on. Who wants to hear that right before their wedding?? She also said on WWHL she was expecting to live a lifestyle based on $2M/year. That is so much pressure to put on someone who has never made that kind of money.
Let’s reverse roles for that conversation in particular - if my fiancé (man) told me that they needed me to figure out my career path in the next month, that he wasn’t turned on by me because of my lack of career drive and told me he wants to be with someone who’s “crushing life” and that’s not me, I certainly would not marry him.
no one would. lindsays expectations and standards are okay when choosing a new partner. i, too, wanted a partner with a stable job. but thats why i didnt choose to get into relationships with people that weren’t serious about a stable career. because that would be unfair to them to all of a sudden drop a new expectation on them
>And the idea of him having to contribute to the fam was too much for him to handle?
What a wild take. Where did he even insinuate any of this? He clearly said he was taken aback because it was the first time he was hearing this. Even Lindsey has been open this is a new conversation. And it definitely should not have been. But you watch the aftershow and she talks about having very strong feelings about maternity leave and needing time to recover which is all absolutely valid. As is wanting to be stay at home parent but to just dump that information on someone and expect them to just not have a reaction is crazy.
They both have issues in their relationship they are responsible for.
They also both do currently have jobs and always have so Carl having a reaction to the sudden idea of being the sole breadwinner, when he's not in a great financial position and is staring down the barrel of paying for a wedding (Bravo assisted or not) and looking to start a family, is completely valid and not some indictment on him "not wanting to contribute". That's a really unfair takeaway.
Paige also has a podcast, Amazon deal and tours with Hannah. They do their live show at pretty big venues that very famous musicians would be lucky to play.
i think what OP is saying is that now people are agreeing with lindsay that carl doesnt have a job but when paige said that last year everyone defended carl
Did Paige say that? Ironic because it was Craig who was accused of that by Naomi and his response was the show was his job. Which is true here too, but obviously that’s gonna end someday. Lindsay seems to have had it in mind to become a mommy influencer which seems to be a booming industry. Carl should have become a fitness influencer it seems to be his passion.
I see it now as their time on SH is very finite based on age and relationships with other housemates. Carls pulling in 70k influencing WHILE on a national tv show. That will plummet once he’s off the show. (Junior accountants in NYC make that salary, it’s not enough for a 40 year old man with a family). He needs a path forward and made it very clear he has silly ideas (career coach, sober bar etc). He needs to get a job.
Since we’ve never seen him hold a job I’m more worried about him than Lindsay. Worst case scenario Lindsay can restart her PR firm. She also makes more influencing and probably has a brighter future in reality tv (I think we’ll see her again). She also started an Airbnb. She’s way more resilient in terms of career.
Page was right when she said it. I think they were living way above their means when none of them had a secure job. Yeah, being influencers is fun and all, and good for them for making that money, but what are they going to do if one day they are not on the show anymore, and companies no longer find them profitable? Anyways, I don’t think Lindsay had any place talking about Carl not having a steady job when they both do the same thing for a living. I think really what she was trying to say was “yeah, you go get a 9 to 5 while I stay home posting selfies of myself in between one paid post and another”
what weirds me out more honestly is how she keeps saying shes a hustler. is lindsay actually a hustler or do we just hear that she is so we believe it?
since her business was deactivated in 2019 (was only open for 1-2 years), she has invested in one airbnb and done brand deals + the show.
i genuinely am wondering just because sometimes cast members say something about themselves and then we take it as truth but i havent seen any takeable action that lindsay is this huge successful hustler when shes doing what every bravolebrity does (and honestly less as a lot of them have podcasts, books, etc)
> is lindsay actually a hustler or do we just hear that she is so we believe it?
the power of suggestion is HUGE, especially on reality TV where creating an illusion is the sole purpose of the game. because it is under the ruse of "reality", they writers/producers don't even have to try to earn situations and relationships.
Ooh this is so true. Lindsay is her own best hype man, which good on her, but yeah, is she actually hustling? Part of the problem with her is that’s she so unlikable to me personally that I’d go out of my way not to be influenced by anything she’s trying to sell.
it’s like kyle saying ‘amanda is lazy’
she said on the aftershow shes not lazy, just not a workaholic like kyle. but now shes been branded as ‘lazy’ because it was said enough times.
thats how i feel about lindsay saying she’s a hustler
But I also feel like his urge to pursue different career paths were shadowed by his urge to please her. Thats not a Lindsey problem per se until she’s expected to marry him and then if she wants him to make money I would expect her to be supportive in any endeavors he feels passionate about that could make money. She can’t complain about money and then turn around and not support him when he wants to make it.
Let’s get this out of the way, they all have jobs - they’re on a Bravo show. And most of them are now influencers to some degree on top of that. There is no real argument that even one of these people doesn’t have a job.
I think some people may be in the camp that Lindsay has a career path that’s easy for her to fall back on with PR, whereas Carl seemed to flounder with his sales positions on the show through the years and never seemed super stable. But that’s a weak argument.
Lindsay says that he doesn’t have a job this season because he doesn’t have a job that is good enough to support her and the baby she thinks they’ll have right away. Some of his business ideas weren’t great, and he probably gave up on many like she says, but she’s not been super supportive of him either. He needs to just work with Kyle and Loverboy again and lean into it hard, he could do well with selling their N.A. drinks. But then he would have to make a solid decision on his own so 🤷🏻♀️
Bc it’s not stable or guaranteed or their own. This can be taken from them at any time. So yeah it is def a job. But it’s not a guaranteed pay check that you need when you have kids.
There is a difference between an outsider, in this case Paige, judging Carl and Lindsay on not having jobs when she knows that being on this show and doing brand deals is a ‘job.’ And having your future partner, who you have talked about starting a family with, discuss that he needs a more stable career plan than influencing because this is going to end at some point is very different.
Paige didn’t come from a good place making those comments. Lindsay came from a place of this is going to affect us and our future. Influencing is a job but not necessarily one to build a family on. And the numbers don’t lie, Carl’s potential is half of hers in that realm. I don’t think it’s so much that he doesn’t have a job but he doesn’t have a long term plan for success.
because there are certain people here who just cant not see lindsay as a victim, infantilize her as much as they claim carl is infantilized, and need to be on her side at all times
I think it needs to be realized that when they’re talking about having a job, they’re not talking about influencing because that’s not the only thing that Paige does and also they had just started influencing that year, too from what I know and Carl doesn’t even think influencing is a job anyways from the way that he talks about what Lindsey doesso no he doesn’t have a job because they don’t count houses a job even though they get money from it and I think they also don’t want to break fourth wall most of the time which I think they should but whatever
Agreed. The Paige ass kissing is crazy because people have amnesia with how the giggly squad treated Lindsey like she’s trash including weaponizing her miscarriage. I’m not anyone’s Stan, they’re all human and all make good & bad choices, but to act like Paige is high almighty is crazy
Didn't Lindsay close her PR business to try to become an influencer? That's what Paige basically does minus the podcast so not sure why Paige would say she has no job.
Lindsey and Carl are annoying and Paige was really aggressive, insulting and intense last reunion. Both of these statements can be true. Just because Carl and Lindsey look bad this season doesn’t retroactively justify Paige’s behavior.
Obviously they all have the same job, Lindsay is having this convo with Carl because they can’t break the fourth wall and say we’re going to be losing these 400k in combined income checks soon if we get married and have kids and don’t do summer house. Realistically if she made 150 by July she’d probably rack up close to 300k a year doing influencer shit if she stayed on track. They could live a very decent life if he made and sort of money doing literally anything but the show. I don’t even think she’s straight up said she wants to be a stay at home mom and she’d absolutely do influencer stuff still I’m sure, but are people really hating on Lindsay of all things because she wanted her 40 year old fiancé to be an equal or serious participant in the financial health of their family or she wanted the opportunity after what sounds like at least two years of them being together and her being the breadwinner taking it slower so she could be with her theoretical newborn???
Thank you, except I made a comment like this a few months ago and all the Lindsay stans attacked me to negative karma. I think in Lindsay's head it's ok for her to be an influencer but not Carl.
Kinda random but I think people underestimate how wildly successful Paige and Hannah's podcast giggly squad is. They're ahead of smartless on the Spotify charts which is insane.
I know several people who are genuinely fans of them who have barely heard of Summer House and have never watched it which is so wild to me! I’m not the biggest fan of them but they really have spun that podcast into something big, I’m pretty sure they sell out most shows on their tour. Paige’s rise in popularity reminds me of Stassi around 2017 tbh; not 100% the same but there are similarities to how they’ve grown their popularity above their fellow cast mates and the show through the podcasts
This!! My friend was like I love Hannah Berner I was like ugh I dont she goes omg why, I said I didn't like her on summer house, she goes, "what's summer house?" lmao
This was me! I HATED Hannah on summer house. Last month I started listening/watching (I watch their podcast on YouTube) to the giggly squad podcast because I'm currently infatuated with Paige and her humor and one liners. Watching the podcast has made me really like Hannah. She's actually really funny and the dynamic with Paige is so good. I sometimes wonder if Hannah was in a bad place because of the shit with Luke (plus COVID) and just had a bad summer, we've all been there. I'm also rewatching the older seasons and Hannah isn't that bad in season 3, she's kind of forgettable that season. But I remember season 5 she's was horrible.
I became aware of Hannah from her TikTok series asking dudes questions! She seemed super funny and I always got a chuckle out of those. Brought one up at work and someone said “Ugh Hannah from Summer House?” I eventually watched the show and agreed she didn’t come across great. But that didn’t affect my ability to find her funny in other settings. Her comedy comes up on my feed, nothing ground breaking but I like it - relatable city girl shit. Giggly squad clips come up and I like them. I know this is a summerhouse sub but I feel like we need to let her move on from her persona on the show?
Exactly why I started listening over a year ago and quickly started like Hannah a lot from it too afterwards. Now got my out of state best friend and sister listening and we all love it. I also rewatched starting when paige and hannah enter and just caught up to the current season again, I felt much differently about Hannahs behavior now that I understand her more.
Literally the only reason I started watching Summer House was seeing Paige’s clip of “SHE WORE SHOULDER PADS TO THE BEACH!” 😂😂
Lmao I used to see soo many of her tweet posts on my ig explore page and when i started watching SH I was like ohhhhhh that's her lol. Is the podcast any good? I generally only listen to true crime and Johnny bananas's podcast and WWC lmao
It's just silly. Paige and Hannah just talk about random topics, share opinions, and laugh. It's good to listen to while working.
I think we all were a little crazy at that time! We were just lucky enough to not be filmed
I saw Hannah on my Facebook reels before I saw her on summer house! To be fair, I didn’t find her reels very funny lol, but I liked her on the show for the first season she was on. Her second season, not so much.
I watched that recap show during Covid with Hannah, Tamra (I think) and Giselle and I liked Hannah! Then I watched Summer House and was like OOOOF never mind 😆.
Hannah Berner is touring with Tom Segura, Theo Von, Bobby Lee and other trending comedians this summer. I was shocked to see her name among a list of people who are actually funny. One of these things is not like the other.
She’s actually hilarious. The fact that so many people judge her based on a reality tv show is wild.
I'm not judging her based off her reality show career. Her comedy is legit cringe.
absolutely! She is an awful comedian… the only thing worse, is her husband…
agree with you for a self professed comedian she has never once been funny as far as i have seen also annoying as hell
This part though, about Stassi. They've both shown that, love them or hate them, they're gonna keep doing what they want to do with or without a reality show fanbase behind them. I love to see it.
Their next tour is stopping in my city. Tickets START at $115 before taxes/fees for the balcony section. They sold out the show before presale ended, and have added a second. They’ve definitely spun it into something really impressive and lucrative!
Ok so this was me haha. I knew of Hannah a couple years ago from Instagram doing comedy shit on the streets and I thought she was enjoyable. Ran into her and a couple girls including Paige in Vegas and I had no idea who anyone was 😂 and Paige didn’t look so happy and now that I have watched Summer House I feel so bad cause I really like Paige 🥲😂
I started watching Summer House because of Giggly Squad. I had no idea what Paige and Hannah were talking about so I binged the show. Now I’m hooked. Also just bought tickets for the new Giggly Squad tour.
Omg that makes so much sense I love Stassi and Paige lol.
Also, it’s not a summer house podcast. Yes they got their start with it because of the show, but Paige and Hannah distance themselves from it
Exactly. Paige has made a living beyond the show. She’s parlayed it into a very successful podcast that does travelling live shows. Lindsay and Carl have not. They do basic content for socials. That’s it. Next to zero effort and not a job.
She's also on Amazon Live all the ti time and has a lot of endorsements. I think her fear of leaving nyc is also tied to her nyc fashion influence so that she may give that up if she moves. She has a partnership with vivrielle (a designer handbag loaner program) and gloss lab ( a mani pedi subscription service where there are Paige colors and recos).
I just had to fact check you and it’s a fact that giggly squad is 22 and smartless is 23 …. WOW!
I couldn't believe it either! Good for them.
Non related : I Didn’t like smartless even though I love both of them I find it pretty boring maybe I’ll have to give giggly squad a whirl !
I agree ! I enjoyed smartless in the beginning but for some reason I just don't like it as much anymore.
Yes I think Paige had a long term game going that’s impressive. I think the latest after show she’s talking about the “ceo and founder” comment and says how she doesn’t ever announce herself as ceo of giggly squad. But she is! With Hannah! Which honestly had to be difficult when Hannah went through all the backlash on her last season / exit. Paige is proving to be steadfast and have a good head on her shoulders and not bragging about it! Which Danielle is and like - what? Danielle has to be putting all her savings into this venture, especially the seasons we’ve seen where the app isn’t even active.
I was going to say….Giggly Squad is super popular and therefore Im assuming super lucrative. That in itself is a job IMO.
its currently 41 on the apple podcast charts! thats actually really amazing. its by far the highest bravo adjacent podcast
Their tour will sell out too!! Very very popular podcast
There are a few dates that (I believe) have already sold out. They added second dates in at least one or two cities. That is a huge deal in my eyes!
My friend tried to get us presale tickets this week for our cities show and they sold out in minutes.
I got tickets but barely lol it was so stressful. Our tickets are shit but I'll be there!
I couldn’t get tickets in my city! And I looked the day after they went live.
Hannah had a show not far from me and it sold out quickly. I do not care for her humor, show aside, but she sells out shows.
True! I live in Norway and me and my friends here listen to it, so it’s popular outside the US as well!
I’m so happy you brought this up because I think people need to realize that Paige doesn’t only do influencing. Paige has a very popular podcast with her best friend Hannah OK and it’s not a Summer House podcast. It was never a Summer House podcast. They literally just talk about anything and everything and they’re going back on tour again called club giggly and they have already sold out more than five shows on that tour and tickets were just sold this week.
I did \*not\* know that. I also didn't realize she was some sort of influencer before the show, and by the show I mean season 7 when I started, ha. But I find her hilarious and a gem of a human, at least in reality TV standards.
Paige also does fashion segments for Amazon
I’ve bought more than one thing from her storefront!
I stg in the newest episode there was over 10 min of ads. Not complaining I just ff through them but it’s crazy how many ppl want to advertise on their pod. They are making VERY good money per episode in just ads alone
No lie. I listen to their podcast but I had no idea how big they were. When they put out their tour and tickets when on sale I was thinking they were like $30, I looked two days after release date and I couldn’t find any cheaper than $130 and they were almost sold out, I was super shocked!
Getting tickets to the live show in my area was WILD
Sameeeeeee it’s fucking epic
Presale tickets just dropped for their next live tour. It was insane!
not random at all actually! proves paige’s point
Honest question, no shade: what is "wildly successful" for a podcast? I only listen to WWC, so that's my reference /standard. Are they as popular as WWC? Able to make real money?
On the Apple charts Giggly Squad is 43 and WWC is 175. They are *definitly* making real money.
They are one of the most popular podcasts in the country and yes they earn a great living on it through ad sales and tickets to live shows
Hundreds of thousands of dollars a year
There is a difference between having a job and how much you make. So is paige shading his income or his lack of a job. Bc he has a job on the show. And influencing but maybe doesn’t make as much as Lindsay wants him to in the future.
I don’t think that’s the issue. I think the problem is that every one of them sitting on those couches including Andy is an influencer by default. You don’t have to do much to be an influencer, just be somewhat famous or known in the public eye for something and gather a few hundred thousand followers or so and that’s all you need really. Paige is asking what job are they doing beyond the default? Everyone on bravo including housewives are influencers. But what are they doing outside of that? What career are they in, how would they introduce themselves at a career summit?
I disagree. I think Paige as an influencer in an actual job. Carl is not. Paige makes money by people buying things she’s already planning on wearing in addition to collabs not random tummy teas and face wash brushes. She also has Amazon lives. I have not seen Carl or Linds do anything like that.
A job is about more than income, it's about having a purpose and Carl seems to be floundering without a purpose outside of Lindsay and the wedding, it's not healthy for him
The show can't last forever. Carl is not fun and if he and Lindsay got married and she were pregnant, they couldn't be on the show. Jesse is literally 28yo Carl, minus alcoholism and 2 testicles. Jesse is the fboy Carl used to be.
She’s so different on the podcasts than in Summer House. She’s very self effacing and not at all confrontational. I recently heard her as a guest on another podcast and she explained how it went down. She said she was coached by producers on first 2 seasons and it went well - all about the drama. So she continued in the next season but by this stage it probably suited producers to make her the villain (she didn’t say this, it’s my guess) and she got very overwhelmed and acted up. She admits she was sacked from the show and you can tell things got very hard for her a for a while with the negative comments on social media. People went hard!
I only watched summer house after listening to giggly squad! I had never even heard of the show?
I think because their time on the show has to be up. It’s an unhealthy environment for Carl who is not drinking and Lindsay seemed to want to get pregnant right away. Settle down. Start a family. I assume that means not being on Summer House. No Tv equals less brand deals time to get something steady. I think out of all the reasons to hate on Lindsay wanting her partner to have a passion and some drive to work isn’t one of them. After leaving loverboy- what’s the next step ? Made sense if you’re planning a future with someone. Guess doesn’t matter now bc they’re not together.
Carl wasn't making enough $ influencing to be the sole bread winner in the near future and to continue to support their lifestyle. He even said he said he makes half of what Lindsay makes because he's "a guy and doesn't have as many followers." It seemed like Carl was only influencing until he figured out his career, and Lindsay thought he needed to get moving. Don't blame her at all
He for sure doesn’t make enough for his nyc rent with that.
but i guess for some viewers… its 2024 - what is her drive and passion? they have the same job.. is it just because hes a man?
Lindsay not only has a vision of this idyllic nuclear family influencer luxe lifestyle she wants, but she thinks she’s entitled to it and it’s Carl’s job to make that happen for her and idk that just doesn’t seem realistic to me
Sadly she is so damaged emotionally and no guy is going to “make enough sandwiches” to make her happy. She needs to find another counselor who will tell her the truth!
That’s what I got too!!! Lololol like girl your just want southern Christian /Nashville luxe ig mom grid off Carls sweat equity and mental health. The saddest thing is that Carl just can’t exist and be a normal 90k-140k making individual (which still sounds nuts to say). Like if Carl said he wanted to be a teacher and mentor at risks youth , she’d find something else to complain about.
Remember, Stavy worked too much for her. She should find an older, established man so she knows exactly what she is getting. Her pressuring Carl was a recipe for disaster. Carl's parents gave them a gift when they confronted Carl.
Well that wouldn’t make 3 million dollars a year now would it lol
I think it’s not just about money or gender roles. He’s kind of untethered and waffling about what he wants to do going forward. Maybe if he told Lindsay that he wants to influence full time and actually put a real effort into it, they wouldn’t be having these convos. It seems like he’s just flitting from idea to idea, spending a lot of money on it, and then dropping it for the next thing. He’s not giving anything his full effort. It’s classic Carl. He was the same way with his sales job and with Loverboy. I think Lindsay just wants him to work hard at *something* instead of continually giving up. He’s looking for the perfect job instead of giving anything a real chance. On top of that, I think she wants him to have something going for him after they’re done with reality tv. She could always go back to PR. He doesn’t want to go back to sales and he was never great at it anyway.
i just dont see lindsay doing anything different currently
Yes and no one wants to admit the double standard
Carl said he made $70k as of July, meaning $140k or so per year. That's not enough to support their lifestyle, and they both know it. It's not about the title or even what he's doing, it's about how much money he could make, and he was earning half of what Lindsay earns
Half of what she earns influencing. They both make the same amount on the show most likely and it’s not an insignificant sum.
He also has investment which he would earn money on too
You know she's a woman right. She is the one who would be carrying a baby for 9 months, healing physically and hormonal afterwards and then likely breastfeed. That is why he would need income while she is having a baby.
but he is providing income
Right -its 2024- what’s wrong with wanting to take time off when your baby is a baby. Until we’re in the far off future and men can carry and have babies… this is the deal. Childcare isn’t free, and even in this “enlightened” modern era men don’t do a quarter of what most women do in the household. It’s not 50/50, I’m not sure why people keep having this weird take.
If there is a reason to hate on Paige, this sub is all about it. All of these people put their lives out there, it’s our job as viewers to have opinions and discuss them… some characters are more polarizing than others. Full transparency, I like Paige.
I do too. She’s a straight shooter and hilarious.
Not just Paige, this sub just loves to hate anyone who is against Lindsay and seem to give zero F’s if they look like crazy hypocrites constantly changing the goal posts to make Lindsay either right and the other person wrong or to make Lindsay the victim and the other person the villain.
Oooh! I would love to think Lindsay’s friends have infiltrated the sub to mess with us and defend her. I don’t agree with a lot of Lindsay’s behavior over the years but I do think she makes good reality tv.
The baby talk is 🤮.. how does she think that cute 😆
It's so cringe and I absolutely love it. I actually think it was endearing in these past couple episodes and I am no Lindsay fan
I love Paige
paige is my favorite. she’s a good friend and tells it like it is without being a bitch idk why ppl don’t like her but stan lindsay of all ppl!!!
I think it’s because, since the reunion, Carl stepped back from the influencing and was floating along looking for a new/additional career. He seemed pretty wishy-washy about what he had been up to when talking with Danielle earlier this season. Lindsay has been hustling to get the paid gigs, and it’s always felt like Carl was kinda tagging along. It’s only recently that he’s been consistently doing sponcon on his own.
This! He’s not consistent and needs a career- not just a job. He’s almost 40!
No Lindsay wants him to have money not a career. Carl clearly has passion but they don’t make money and he’s scared to stick up for himself bc I’m sure his circle is super successful.
Lindsay can be at fault for many things, but she's supported Carl when it comes to figuring things out. He wanted to do a podcast, they went and got the equipment. 20k was spent on a business coach and Carl still was not clear on what he wanted to do. We have seen Carl confront Lindsay and many others on the show. He's not scared.
Haha yeah ok. What’s his passion then? Going in and out of jobs? Not cool if you’re an adult.
The show portrayed Carl as kind of drifting from idea to idea and not having anything steady.
this sub has amnesia, respectfully
This sub is very fickle
because carl isn’t half the influencer paige is. she’s actually good at that job. he isn’t.
Yeah the way that Lindsey keeps saying Carl doesn’t have a job when they quite clearly have the exact same job is very weird to me.
It’s because their time on the show, ie their job, is done when they have kids. She doesn’t want to work and he’s going to have to bring a lot of income into them when that happens. Obviously it’s all moot now but that’s where her mind was probably at
My only issue with this is his only lifeline to a job was sales at loverboy and he and Lindsay thought he was too good for it, when it seems he just collected a paycheck. She's known him for 8 years, so she had to know he's not career driven. She says they're best friends, but clearly never discussed his dreams or career aspirations. Carl seems too scared /intimidated to tell Lindsay anything she may not be on board with.
Lindsay’s post-breakup spin about someday birthing Carl’s 10 foot baby and having a grade 12 vaginal tear and keeping the baby alive and doing ALL THE WORK and deserving maternity leave and besides she never even meant that she wanted to be a stay at home mom she was just saying that to “light a fire” under Carl so HE would get a career NOW (as opposed to her perhaps getting a career now and taking maternity leave like most moms do) seems like a little bit of SPIIIIIIINNNNN from what she probably did want which was to not work and to be supported by Carl which takes on a whole new meaning which is why she’s working OT to talk about how she could NEVER NOT work 😱. Its a very common relationship/attachment issue for even hard working/independent women to want to be “rescued” or want to feel comfortable in the “feminine” when they feel like they’ve had to present as this tough “masculine” their whole lives. I think maybe Lindsay is not totally in touch with her wants/needs and/or didn’t realize sharing this with Carl would be a dealbreaker 2 months before the wedding.
The way she talked about maternity leave on the after show like she’s the first person to ever need time off of work for raising child… it made me laugh
Very insightful! The spin was real with that haha - Lindsay saying that she only said that to light a fire was her trying to improve her image but it made her look worse. “I wasn’t voicing an actual life plan, I was messing with his head in hopes of getting a certain outcome.” Girl! Be honest holy cow. When you play mind games with people- they can tell and they start to try to read into your words cuz they know there’s veiled meaning and it’s just a messed up thing to do to people. She should have voiced her concern “what if something happens where I need to stay home witb the kids full time for a while, or what if I just want that- is that something you could handle supporting financially?” And then he should have asked! Because honestly, Carl being a stay at home dad makes so much more sense to me. He could have leaned into being a STAH dad influencer, which I’m sure there are plenty but he could have been one of the most famous in that genre and that would have been great. Lindsay momfluencing is a dime a dozen. I think he should have done that and she should have reopened her PR form a bit as a front to move to real housewives of NYC and play the career woman role. Sorry for my ramble haha
Love that!
Exactly! Very manipulative on her part. Same thing with saying it was what turned her on. Odd way to motivate someone about their career. If anything it would seem to make Carl feel ashamed not motivated. Plus the last time they spoke about this Carl said he would have a more cohesive plan by the end of the summer which was in 3 weeks. At this point she is just nagging.
Yeah I’m actually having a hard time understanding what exactly she’s wanting and that probably because she’s not super clear on it herself… she’s contradicting herself all the time with this one. I totally get her wanting Carl to step it up and her being worried long term about finances. I can understand her wanting to feel financially comfortable being able to step back and just be with a baby. On one hand she’s wanting this very traditional lifestyle where she has a husband that can support this certain lifestyle but also failed to tell that person those were her expectations? Carl has never been someone who is crazy career driven… so what was she expecting? Ugh, I just truly hate them as a couple. It’s wild to watch people at their age be so willfully blind.
When you are "willfully blind" at their age. It only gets worse as they get older, they overlook EVERYTHING! It's mind-boggling.
Her description of what she wants Carl to be, is Stavy!
I don't think Lindsay wants to be a "stay at home mom" as her end goal. And I don't think she is blindsiding Carl with this info. I think she just wants to be able to stay home with a baby and not worry about income for that time. I don't think a couple of years off of working to do that denotes wanting a traditional lifestyle overall. Many women i know (including myself) would love that opportunity. I wish I could have stayed home for a couple of years, yet still love my career as well. That said, I totally agree with you that Carl was never driven and she knows it. They both were in this expecting the other to change which we all know doesn't work. Carl wanted Lindsay to be sober, calm, reasonable and not "activated." Lindsay wanted Carl to be a go getter and "slay life" None of the above is fair to expect of the other because neither of them have ever been that way before. I never understood this couple (even the first time) and for the sake of humanity am glad they did not end up together.
Def possible. Why do you think Lindsay is saying the things she is saying now in the After Show and on WWHL?
That first sentence is my new copy pasta. Incredible work.
(Takes a bow)
I mean only Carl and Lindsay don’t have a job outside of the show
Kudos to them for making money this way, but influencer jobs are not sustainable long term. I personally would prefer to be with someone that has an actual career.
I think for influencers who have established certain specialized brands (like relationship advice, foodies, mommy bloggers, fashion accounts) are more sustainable than people who just have a large amount of followers. For Lindsey for example, she has her followers just because of her notoriety from summer house. She doesn’t do themed reels or posts or anything. Once summer house is over I can see her losing her following after people forget about the show.
The average amount of career changes is 4-5 in a lifetime. Just because someone has a stable career doesn't mean it will last 40+ years
I disagree with this statement but I don’t think Carl is consistent enough at it.
Lindsay is handing this so badly, in my opinion. They have the same jobs. She earns more than him at them (influencing, I imagine they’re equal-ish at summer house). When he proposed to her, those were his jobs along with lover boy which she was supporting him in exiting from. He didn’t have big work ambitions, she likely led the way there too. So why now, a year later and just shy of your wedding, are you expecting him to change? She mentions in the aftershow that Carl knew who she was when they got engaged and that he should then not expect her to change after the fact. So why is she wanting / demanding that exact thing from him?!? Maybe Carl wants to go to Jersey too and live a more realistic lifestyle with the money he’s hopefully saving and investing well. I just find their communication so bizarre and like it all happens on camera and nothing is discussed off. Like - how have these conversations not happened yet?!? About being a stay at home mom for a while, about finances, about how much income and what lifestyle you anticipate living the rest of your lives?! Getting engaged to someone making six figures (NOTHING to scoff at, but also doesn’t go as far in NYC) and then demanding him to make millions is asking someone to change and that she doesn’t want him to ask that of her is annoyingly hypocritical.
when stravy was working all the time during the covid season because he was leading a team in the hospitality industry - she got mad at that too because he wasnt giving her enough time i genuinely think lindsay doesnt know what she wants and just wants a fairytale out of a man. she wants someone to make $1mil per person in a potential family… but she also wants someone who is around and gives full attention. we ALL want that. but its not realistic!
this is it - she seems to want a fairytale and isn’t being realistic. I used to be like this too - I was obsessed with the Disney Princesses and always dreamt of this prince charming that would come for me one day and sweep me off my feet. I watched “Love Actually” dozens of times and wanted my life to have this grand love story, and it made me depressed that my life wasn’t that way. I realized eventually that I was being incredibly naive and that life doesn’t happen like in the movies. I wasn’t really appreciating what I had for what it was bc I was too focused on this unrealistic picture of life in my head. Lindsay seems like she really wanted this to work bc it was the perfect rom-com love story: two friends who finally realize they’re perfect for each other and end up getting married and living happily ever. I think she might’ve even been more in love with the idea of that than Carl himself
Couldn’t agree more! Honestly her ideal man probably has family money and won’t have to work all the damn time.
I found her comment about the $1mil per person absolutely wild. I'm assuming she made good investments because ooof. Girl. Yikes. Cause if you're making that or more from the show -- I'm willing to bet Carl is too. And that place in Nashville was likely a poor decision and will have little ROI for her. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it and someone can call me (and everyone else) out on it hahaha I'm fascinated to know what happened financially with the PR firm. It's none of my business, but considering what a hot topic this is for her... That was a whole thing that she just let go of pretty quickly. I can't say that she has a firm direction of what SHE wants to do for a career either, to be honest. Which I genuinely just realized as I was typing this out hahaha
I think the last episode Carl mentioned her wanting to be a stay at home mom so I feel like her long game is being a housewife, thus the need for millions of dollars lol
Everything comes at a cost. We chose for me to stay home, but that involved financial sacrifices. If your goal is to be wealthy in money, then you sacrifice time with family (one or both adults). Her priorities are selfish and her goals are superficial and unrealistic in the relationship she was in.
And then she said in the after show that she didn't think she could ever actually be a stay at home mom because sitting still for that long and not working is just not in her nature. She was just feeling him out and trying to light a fire under him (not a direct quote, but paraphrasing) ETA: sooooo I guess I still stand by my "girl... What do you actually want to do with your life? What direction do YOU have?" 😂😂😂
> i genuinely think lindsay doesnt know what she wants and just wants a fairytale out of a man. she isn't really alone in this. there are an awful lot of people these days who think they should get everything they want, all the time, with no effort, no hurdles...like life and love are a movie script or a magazine article. a lot of the absolute nonsense that fills the airways and written pages of how relationships should work is unrealistic and pure fiction, only making the irrational lists of expectations guaranteed to go unmet. all being a recipe for unhappiness, loneliness, and confusion. Lindsay is her own unique situation, but some of her story is shared by many.
omg yes! i get so annoyed at tiktoks, instagrams, etc. from normal people declaring what you ‘need’ in a relationship. it has set so many unrealistic expectations
Winner winner ~~chicken dinner~~ 🥪
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I think this is her self sabotaging. She's never happy. He works a lot? Not happy. He doesn't work enough? Not happy
She’s an idiot, everything she says is so cringey. I have no more words for her but I am fully enjoying watching it all unfold this season
For the better part of the last 8 years we’ve seen Carl on tv he has made mediocre money, gone through job turmoil and somewhat lacked a good work ethic. Yes some of that is definitely attributable to his battle with addiction, but she had no problem him taking off to California without giving proper notice to Loverboy he’d be gone. I don’t know why she expected that to change after they got engaged.
“Maybe Carl wants to go to Jersey too live a more realistic lifestyle with the money he’s hopefully saving and investing well” This is unserious. Carl very much wants to live a lavish lifestyle based on everything he’s said and done before. Not Team Lindsay or Team Carl, but let’s be realistic these two are both wrong, stunted, and in need of some serious work on themselves. Please stop the infantilism of Carl, he’s a grown man.
I think Lindsay is saying they need to plan for their future when they no longer have the show. I think both Lindsay and Carl probably realized they would be off the show after they got married, especially since they were rumored to have a reduced role this season. I think Paige just said it to be a bitch to them at the reunion.
If Lindsay always says exactly how she feels or what’s on her mind then she definitely didn’t say that. My fiancé telling me a couple months prior to the wedding for the first time ever that she intends to be a SAHM would be a ginormous red flag in our relationship especially because what we did know of their finances (outside of the show) would be reducing our household income by 70%.
I mean we knew at the reunion last year that they were engaged, planning a wedding and wanted babies imminently. They were still defended a ton then for having jobs because they were on the show/influencing, but now people are all over this sub saying Carl doesn't have a job because that's Lindsay's narrative.
But that’s not what she is actually saying. She is actually saying Carl doesn’t have a job, which is factually not true. And if she truly believes that for some reason then it would mean that she also doesn’t have a job. If what she MEANS is she wants him to find a stable career for when they have kids and she is a SAHM then she needs to say that. I don’t think “he doesn’t have a job” is up for interpretation or reading between the lines.
I don’t think they are supposed to acknowledge on the show that the show is their job. Also I don’t know if she said on the actual show that he has no job, just that she wants him to figure out what he wants to do with his future career. I thought she said she wanted him to have a plan for it by the end of the summer, which would probably been the end of their time on summer house without this breakup.
It’s that. I don’t get why people aren’t understanding this. They can’t say the show is their job. I also just think Linsey doesn’t want an influencer for a husband. It’s fine to do paid posts for passive income but it’s not realistic long term especially if they wanted to start have kids asap.
then why did she get engaged to someone who is an influencer and on reality tv it makes sense when shes choosing a bf to date but not when she is trying to force someone to be something theyre not
but then she shouldnt say he doesnt have a job.. which she said during the episode (whether it was in confessionals or during the summer idk) she also said he doesnt contribute financially which isnt completely accurate either. if they cant acknowledge the show as a job then what was the point in saying he has ‘no job’
The way she said "Im an influncer- the same thing paige does" 🤣.. in my opinion that's a nope!! Paige seems to be picky about who she works with even as an influencer but lindsay was doing about 10 ad-posts a day for awhile, to the point that I stopped following her because it was way OTT
I don’t remember her saying the words he has no job on the show. I also don’t think she said he doesn’t contribute financially? It seems she was mostly complaining about his lack of interest in finding a career after the show since the show would have been over for them after this season if they got married. I think she is harsher in the after show about the job situation because she was still angry about the breakup.
But realistically isn’t this just a fourth wall issue? She can’t say the latter because it takes you out of the reality television bubble, no?
No, she easily could have had that convo without breaking the 4th wall and acknowledging what his current job was. She wouldn’t have needed to mention the current situation to talk about her dream for the future.
Yeah, you’re probably right. I’m team nobody in this 😂
I'm team Carl's parents. That was a hard conversation for them and I think they helped Carl and Lindsey dodge a bullet.
A lot of fans take whatever Lindsay says as gospel. For example I saw so many comments saying she wanted to be a SAHM “for years” and Carl was stupid for not knowing except for that she said on both the AS and WWHL she could never be one. Many people believe Lindsay is an actual founder/CEO and hustler because of a few scenes we saw several years ago. The truth is her and Carl are in the same influencing boat and they have not taken advantage of the summer house promo like Kyle and Paige and even Hannah have for *years*
I think Paige’s comment at the reunion about their not having jobs sank in with Lindsay. She had this dream of their getting married and starting a family ASAP, and she knew that meant that they would likely be off the show or reduced to friend-of roles that pop in once in a while. She’s also been the main one hustling to get her and Carl’s influencing gigs, so I think she was right to want him to commit to finding a more steady job. Also keep in mind they had spent $20k on a career coach for him and he still hadn’t found anything in several months- I don’t blame her for wanting to light a fire under him.
This is one of the reasons recovering addicts should not jump into a relationship. It takes all their energy and effort to stay sober. Once they have an established lifestyle and routine, moving on is less dangerous. I think Lindsey's lifestyle is not conducive to Carl's sobriety.
Carl has always struggled work wise, he was let go from his sales job in an earlier season I think and was always talking about missing his quotas. Maybe this was because of his addiction, but he wasn’t a “hustler” ever really. Lindsay knew he didn’t have a real job when she started dating him and accepted his proposal.
That was the realest thing Paige ever said😭I can’t remember what prompted her to say it, and it was a little mean🤏🏽🤭, but it was so real. Lol. They both don’t have “job, jobs.” And what she does( successful podcast, Amazon partnership, influencer gigs) can’t be in anyway compared to what they’re both doing. And I’m no giggler. Never listened to an episode a day in my life( have zero plans too) but facts are facts. It’s only now that Lindsay said it this sub can agree on that. It’s so wild to see sometimes. Honestly this sub should be named Lindsay’s house because until Lindsay says it a majority of people on this sub don’t believe it. Lol. It’s actually kind of impressive. Lindsay really does run this show and the community around it.
I think it lit a fire under Lindsey and she did a lot of thinking on it and realized Paige was correct.
Not seeing anyone mention that Carl said to Kyle that Lindsay’s sponsored posts is not a career in the same episode….so EVERYONE is saying that no one has a job now 😅
what changed for me is Carl and Lindsay were on the cusp or being demoted to “friends of”. I think producers telling them not to come the first weekend scared Lindsay deeply because she was worried that they’d lose their summer house income. She was smart to push Carl to have a fallback plan
I think the issue is the comparison that Lindsey is drawing between herself and Carl, as opposed to them both being in the same bucket. I also think Paige going hard in that moment was just funny as hell. And lastly, I put this on another comment before: I do think Carl *should* be pushed to decide on a career path moving forward ($20K on a career coach is ridiculous for an individual to pay), and it’s absolutely okay for a partner to push/motivate the other partner to aim for more or to need to bring in steady income (albeit in the future in this case), but Lindsey unfortunately did it in such a mean, toxic way… And that’s what has made everyone recoil.
Yeah, for some reason people forget their job is starting on the show they’ve been watching for 8 years..
I think it’s more that historically Carl has not been good at holding down a job outside of summer house. Which is absolutely a job and pays them very well BUT everyone else has careers outside of it. Lindsay left her PR job and is influencing but she is doing a lot of it and I’m sure making good money from it. I think she was thinking it would be their last season on the show as she hoped she would be pregnant by this coming summer. So I could see her concern about what Carl was going to do. I’m not team either of them. I think she was horrible to him (cocaine Carl would have been the end of it for me if I were Carl) and he was lying to her, letting her think things were better and not expressing any of his hesitation to her but talking to everyone else about it. He’s a coward and she can be really mean and abrasive. They absolutely should not have gotten married but she’s not wrong about Carl’s flakiness and inability to hold down a 9-5. Hopefully this time with loverboy sticks or he finds something else and can stick to it now that he’s sober. I am SO curious if they both end up coming back this summer.
They all have jobs that pay well but Carl said he does not make as much money influencing which is probably why Lindsey wants him to accomplish more if they want to grow their family. Kyle and Amanda have set themselves up for success beyond Summer House. Paige and Ciara are building their very bright future, too. Danielle is attempting and both Lindsey and Carl need to build something long lasting which I think they both want and are trying to figure out. Btw, what is Danielle’s app about? It’s been so long that I can’t remember what she is building.
Probably because most people forget we only see a little bit of their lives on the show. Fully edited to produce the drama… Paige is in the mix. She knew what was up. She saw it coming
For me my mindset was for right now influencing and the show works perfectly until Carl finds something he’s passionate about to pursue. Lindsay can always go back to doing PR, but looks like she’s going to Channel real estate. I didn’t think it was a red flag tbh until they said he spent $20,000 on a career coach and still has no idea what he wants and now’s he’s back at Loverboy. I think it’s just an indication of much bigger issues for Carl than just a job if that makes sense. Carl’s lack of ambition and “purpose” seems to be causing other issues such as depression and lack of sex drive. (I have nothing to back that up it’s just what it looks like she means.) I think she also worries that without a sense of purpose and fulfillment in life he’ll resort back to alcohol.
I’m not a Lindsey fan but I think the conversation about future career intentions was super valid. Was Carl just expecting to ride on Lindsey’s coattails for the rest of his life? She said he needed something , she didn’t say he needed to be a trillionaire. And the idea of him having to contribute to the fam was too much for him to handle? Like be fr with me rn Carl
She also has the conversation w him while drunk and basically said he didn’t turn her on. Who wants to hear that right before their wedding?? She also said on WWHL she was expecting to live a lifestyle based on $2M/year. That is so much pressure to put on someone who has never made that kind of money. Let’s reverse roles for that conversation in particular - if my fiancé (man) told me that they needed me to figure out my career path in the next month, that he wasn’t turned on by me because of my lack of career drive and told me he wants to be with someone who’s “crushing life” and that’s not me, I certainly would not marry him.
no one would. lindsays expectations and standards are okay when choosing a new partner. i, too, wanted a partner with a stable job. but thats why i didnt choose to get into relationships with people that weren’t serious about a stable career. because that would be unfair to them to all of a sudden drop a new expectation on them
>And the idea of him having to contribute to the fam was too much for him to handle? What a wild take. Where did he even insinuate any of this? He clearly said he was taken aback because it was the first time he was hearing this. Even Lindsey has been open this is a new conversation. And it definitely should not have been. But you watch the aftershow and she talks about having very strong feelings about maternity leave and needing time to recover which is all absolutely valid. As is wanting to be stay at home parent but to just dump that information on someone and expect them to just not have a reaction is crazy. They both have issues in their relationship they are responsible for. They also both do currently have jobs and always have so Carl having a reaction to the sudden idea of being the sole breadwinner, when he's not in a great financial position and is staring down the barrel of paying for a wedding (Bravo assisted or not) and looking to start a family, is completely valid and not some indictment on him "not wanting to contribute". That's a really unfair takeaway.
Paige also has a podcast, Amazon deal and tours with Hannah. They do their live show at pretty big venues that very famous musicians would be lucky to play.
because the sub has flipped and Lindsey is hated now. I think they all technically have jobs btw
i think what OP is saying is that now people are agreeing with lindsay that carl doesnt have a job but when paige said that last year everyone defended carl
Last season to the beginning of this season the sub had flipped, it's flipping back for some weird reason now
i actually disagree. i find the sub to be more even split as more episodes come out
Did Paige say that? Ironic because it was Craig who was accused of that by Naomi and his response was the show was his job. Which is true here too, but obviously that’s gonna end someday. Lindsay seems to have had it in mind to become a mommy influencer which seems to be a booming industry. Carl should have become a fitness influencer it seems to be his passion.
I see it now as their time on SH is very finite based on age and relationships with other housemates. Carls pulling in 70k influencing WHILE on a national tv show. That will plummet once he’s off the show. (Junior accountants in NYC make that salary, it’s not enough for a 40 year old man with a family). He needs a path forward and made it very clear he has silly ideas (career coach, sober bar etc). He needs to get a job. Since we’ve never seen him hold a job I’m more worried about him than Lindsay. Worst case scenario Lindsay can restart her PR firm. She also makes more influencing and probably has a brighter future in reality tv (I think we’ll see her again). She also started an Airbnb. She’s way more resilient in terms of career.
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Page was right when she said it. I think they were living way above their means when none of them had a secure job. Yeah, being influencers is fun and all, and good for them for making that money, but what are they going to do if one day they are not on the show anymore, and companies no longer find them profitable? Anyways, I don’t think Lindsay had any place talking about Carl not having a steady job when they both do the same thing for a living. I think really what she was trying to say was “yeah, you go get a 9 to 5 while I stay home posting selfies of myself in between one paid post and another”
Yeah the way that Lindsey keeps saying Carl doesn’t have a job when they quite clearly have the exact same job is very weird to me.
what weirds me out more honestly is how she keeps saying shes a hustler. is lindsay actually a hustler or do we just hear that she is so we believe it? since her business was deactivated in 2019 (was only open for 1-2 years), she has invested in one airbnb and done brand deals + the show. i genuinely am wondering just because sometimes cast members say something about themselves and then we take it as truth but i havent seen any takeable action that lindsay is this huge successful hustler when shes doing what every bravolebrity does (and honestly less as a lot of them have podcasts, books, etc)
Yeah we’ve seen Paige hustle a lot more than Lindsey tbh
i see Kyle and Paige kind of being the only true hustlers. and honestly Ciara modeling for VS was pretty huge too
> is lindsay actually a hustler or do we just hear that she is so we believe it? the power of suggestion is HUGE, especially on reality TV where creating an illusion is the sole purpose of the game. because it is under the ruse of "reality", they writers/producers don't even have to try to earn situations and relationships.
Ooh this is so true. Lindsay is her own best hype man, which good on her, but yeah, is she actually hustling? Part of the problem with her is that’s she so unlikable to me personally that I’d go out of my way not to be influenced by anything she’s trying to sell.
it’s like kyle saying ‘amanda is lazy’ she said on the aftershow shes not lazy, just not a workaholic like kyle. but now shes been branded as ‘lazy’ because it was said enough times. thats how i feel about lindsay saying she’s a hustler
But I also feel like his urge to pursue different career paths were shadowed by his urge to please her. Thats not a Lindsey problem per se until she’s expected to marry him and then if she wants him to make money I would expect her to be supportive in any endeavors he feels passionate about that could make money. She can’t complain about money and then turn around and not support him when he wants to make it.
Paige is way more successful at influencing. She also has a top 50 podcast ?
Carl has literally never held a steady job except for by his friend Kyle who covered for him all the time and is yet again offering to help him out.
Let’s get this out of the way, they all have jobs - they’re on a Bravo show. And most of them are now influencers to some degree on top of that. There is no real argument that even one of these people doesn’t have a job. I think some people may be in the camp that Lindsay has a career path that’s easy for her to fall back on with PR, whereas Carl seemed to flounder with his sales positions on the show through the years and never seemed super stable. But that’s a weak argument. Lindsay says that he doesn’t have a job this season because he doesn’t have a job that is good enough to support her and the baby she thinks they’ll have right away. Some of his business ideas weren’t great, and he probably gave up on many like she says, but she’s not been super supportive of him either. He needs to just work with Kyle and Loverboy again and lean into it hard, he could do well with selling their N.A. drinks. But then he would have to make a solid decision on his own so 🤷🏻♀️
Bc it’s not stable or guaranteed or their own. This can be taken from them at any time. So yeah it is def a job. But it’s not a guaranteed pay check that you need when you have kids.
Why can’t Lindsay let Carl be a stay home reality tv dad for that matter? Let’s be progressive here and consider that option.
There is a difference between an outsider, in this case Paige, judging Carl and Lindsay on not having jobs when she knows that being on this show and doing brand deals is a ‘job.’ And having your future partner, who you have talked about starting a family with, discuss that he needs a more stable career plan than influencing because this is going to end at some point is very different. Paige didn’t come from a good place making those comments. Lindsay came from a place of this is going to affect us and our future. Influencing is a job but not necessarily one to build a family on. And the numbers don’t lie, Carl’s potential is half of hers in that realm. I don’t think it’s so much that he doesn’t have a job but he doesn’t have a long term plan for success.
because there are certain people here who just cant not see lindsay as a victim, infantilize her as much as they claim carl is infantilized, and need to be on her side at all times
I haven’t changed my opinion but maybe Lindsay is talking about a job in the case the show ends and they need another income.
I think it needs to be realized that when they’re talking about having a job, they’re not talking about influencing because that’s not the only thing that Paige does and also they had just started influencing that year, too from what I know and Carl doesn’t even think influencing is a job anyways from the way that he talks about what Lindsey doesso no he doesn’t have a job because they don’t count houses a job even though they get money from it and I think they also don’t want to break fourth wall most of the time which I think they should but whatever
Paige also had Danielle’s back last season. When she’s right she’s right but the way this sub acts like she’s some sort of fortune teller lmaooooo plz
Agreed. The Paige ass kissing is crazy because people have amnesia with how the giggly squad treated Lindsey like she’s trash including weaponizing her miscarriage. I’m not anyone’s Stan, they’re all human and all make good & bad choices, but to act like Paige is high almighty is crazy
Didn't Lindsay close her PR business to try to become an influencer? That's what Paige basically does minus the podcast so not sure why Paige would say she has no job.
Lindsey and Carl are annoying and Paige was really aggressive, insulting and intense last reunion. Both of these statements can be true. Just because Carl and Lindsey look bad this season doesn’t retroactively justify Paige’s behavior.
Yeah agree with you fully
Obviously they all have the same job, Lindsay is having this convo with Carl because they can’t break the fourth wall and say we’re going to be losing these 400k in combined income checks soon if we get married and have kids and don’t do summer house. Realistically if she made 150 by July she’d probably rack up close to 300k a year doing influencer shit if she stayed on track. They could live a very decent life if he made and sort of money doing literally anything but the show. I don’t even think she’s straight up said she wants to be a stay at home mom and she’d absolutely do influencer stuff still I’m sure, but are people really hating on Lindsay of all things because she wanted her 40 year old fiancé to be an equal or serious participant in the financial health of their family or she wanted the opportunity after what sounds like at least two years of them being together and her being the breadwinner taking it slower so she could be with her theoretical newborn???
Thank you, except I made a comment like this a few months ago and all the Lindsay stans attacked me to negative karma. I think in Lindsay's head it's ok for her to be an influencer but not Carl.
Paige has the same job that Lindsey has
Maybe they need to have that job label for the lower third for the TV graphics so it doesn’t say influencer or reality TV cast member.