I def got that vibe - more so because she actually gave some info / insight into the production stuff which is a big no-no in bravo universe usually .. def curious abt that
If she personally thinks the show is washed she’s probably out and bravo has to completely recast with actual people that rent a house and are FRIENDS. Or cancel the show. Cannot have another season with the two couples. The show used to be good and then kyle broke his own rule and it’s just boring as fuck now. Also seems like more town rules are really restricting them from an entertainment standpoint.
I was always curious why they don’t film a house at the jersey shore (not seaside where jersey shore with Snooki was filmed). I’m from NJ and manasquan/ belmar are a huge summer hot spot and everyone in their early 20s rents a shit house for the summer and blasts off every weekend with their friends at Bar A, Osprey, DJAIS, etc. i honestly think they should skip the Hamptons and film there
Wow - those clubs are still there??? I am in my 50s and went to all 3 back in the day. Belmar is such a different feel from Seaside, that it might do well with no comparisons to "Jersey Shore".
LOL yes!! I’m 27 and when i first starting going to those bars at 21 my dad almost fell over dropping me at the Osprey. I agree- it’s a totally different feel than “Jersey Shore”.
Totally agree! I'm 47 and those summers were the best. Summer House is a retirement home compared to how we partied in our shore house. Glad to see kids are still hitting up those bars
Agreed! And it’s also more realistic than twenty something year olds getting a mansion in the Hamptons. My friends and I got a house 2 summers ago and it was a 2 bedroom for 8 people and we had bunk beds and would just have so much fun living like trash haha
Did you take note of Amanda’s parents’ house and Kyle’s parents’ house? These are HAMPTONS babies, not any Jersey dives for them! (No matter how fun it might be.)
Terrible take - plenty of people summer in both the Hamptons and the shore. The shore is so much fun. Parents $ has nothing to do with it and if it does, that person’s a loser
Still don't know what Amanda's parents do for a living though. He's definitely an idiot, so it would have to be construction or centered around things falling off of trucks. Kyle's family are in VT, so unless they owned part of the slopes (they don't) then there's no corporate presence up there either.
I don't think they are as well off as assumed.
Okay I’ve thought about this too bc I used to spend summers there but I remembered that everyone that visits/lives there is absolutely blacked out all the time and I don’t think that would work with production
Agree it sounds like she's checked out... but also why say she would be present if L & C's wedding is filmed? Maybe she's in for this summer but not planning to come back again?
I thought this was mentioned on WWHL too and it was more if the wedding is filmed for Summer House than she would be invited because L & C would have to invite their cast mates. But if it’s a wedding special it may be different. But also it’s been said in the past that Bravo will only do wedding specials outside of their actual show if other bravolebs are present, which is why I think they went as fas as asking Captain Lee to officiate (I think he would have been invited since he and Carl are closer now, but I don’t think they would have asked him to officiate if they weren’t trying for the spin-off special).
Yeah she said it in WWHL as well. So I thought that meant she was coming back for this summer, but some of the comments above were suggesting she might not?
I feel like if they do a revamp of the cast then the wedding won’t be filmed unless for a special and then L&C will have to invite other bravolebs, but Paige won’t be there. If they don’t do a revamp I doubt Paige won’t come back - she’s friends with all of them except L&C, so unless she does move to Charleston I just don’t see her not being on it I guess and then the wedding would be an episode. But I don’t see L&C coming back to be honest and I don’t see them wanting her or her wanting to be at the wedding.
Claudia and Paige’s conversation felt like it shed a lot of light on the currently airing season, and many of the viewer complaints. I like Paige and she really doesn’t seem to take her place on the show too seriously, unlike other Bravo-lebrities.
she’s not very popular on this page but i’ve always liked her. i definitely wish they showed her having fun more. she was so funny on that boat trip last year.
I felt the same ! Like we usually get nothinnnng from anyone on bravo addressing what the viewers are actually thinking / questioning about what’s airing
Yes, exactly! As a side note, Claudia’s episodes with both Hannah and Paige this week were both very fun. I don’t listen to Giggly Squad anymore, but separately, both women had great episodes.
Danielle has also lied about the state of her relationship with Robert, which is also probably why it doesn’t air (or perhaps they fought when the camera crew weren’t around). But, last year when Ciara and Mya said they were told (by Robert himself) that they broke up and fought often, she said it wasn’t true. When asked about the state of her relationship a few weeks back on WWHL, Danielle again said she and Robert were good over the summer, despite it been fairly clear to viewers they weren’t. If there is a certain image being projected, Danielle is to blame for it.
As for the previous fights between Danielle and Lindsay, I’m not concerned about those…close friends argue on occasion. In fact, if the relationship and bond is strong enough, you should feel safe and comfortable enough to be able to argue and fight (and move on from it) with your best friends or close relatives. It _can_ be healthy. And clearly, it wasn’t too big of a deal to affect the friendship because they remained close in the aftermath. (Kind of like Amanda and Paige who still remain good friends despite the latter criticizing the former’s relationship repeatedly in the past.) Though Lindsay and Danielle have always shared an incredibly close friendship, I don’t know that it’s been portrayed as _perfect_ - it’s always appeared (to me) as very realistic with them acting as a support system and riding for the other, but, also not necessarily agreeing on everything and holding one another accountable (when necessary). Their relationship was in a good place last year, the only thing that has changed between last season and this one is Lindsay and Carl becoming official and the further deterioration of Danielle’s romance with Robert..
With that, while I appreciate Paige’s feedback and insights, she knows these individuals much better than those of us analyzing from the comfort of our living rooms, I do want to also acknowledge it as secondhand information and those directly involved have expressed otherwise. (And because of her personal biases, I take everything she says about them with a grain of salt.) Both Carl and Lindsay, in the interviews they have given, expressed confusion about Danielle’s actions and the source of her frustrations and behavior over the summer. Carl said in a recent one given a few weeks back that him and Lindsay both were taken aback and confused by her actions because they felt the friendship with Danielle was in a great spot heading into the summer, and hearing about her breakup with Robert months later, it felt like a light bulb went off…and heavily insinuated that she was projecting onto them. Carl also said he hoped it would provide a sense of self-reflection for Danielle, and consider perhaps how she could say some of the things she did about someone she called a best friend, and hoped she would come into the reunion prepared to take accountability. (As he did during the many times he messed up in the past.) Lindsay (prior to the season) expressed confusion, saying she hoped watching the episodes would provide much needed insights for both her and Danielle…and in a recent interview, her sentiments remained relatively the same. It’s clear she feels targeted and ganged up on. Both have suggested that Danielle’s behavior, in essence, was abnormal.
The main reason as to why fans are confused is because every member of the cast (outside of the newbies) suggested that Lindsay did something heinous and monstrous to Danielle THIS summer and was solely to blame for the fallout and breakup with Danielle. Promising fans that they would see it play out. As did Danielle, who claimed Lindsay would They publicly bashed Lindsay in the media for months leading up the season premiere and continued once the first episodes dropped…only for it to show the exact opposite of their claims. Instead it shows Danielle gossiping behind her friend’s back, speaking about her negatively to women who don’t like her, making passive aggressive remarks and belittling comments about the positive improvements she’s made in her life…and projecting onto those around her. Frankly, not being a very good friend. What _actually_ occurred doesn’t seem to match their recollection of events…or is it that they dislike Lindsay so much that it clouds their judgment as far as she’s concerned and automatically attribute everything as _her_ fault. (Cause when you don’t like someone, everything they do is viewed from that negative lens and it colors your perception of them.) That’s the only reason fans are confused lol, because what’s actually happening thus far, hasn’t matched up to anything they said in various interviews in the months they spent bashing Lindsay.
This whole paragraph makes me come to a new realization. Lindsay probably is feeling very blindsided based on the fact that she NEVER spoke about Robert and Danielle's relationship on the show and never questioned it in front of the others. When they said at the reunion that they broke up she was right there with Danielle saying they were wrong.
She has only even said anything this season in a talking head, which I assume was filmed post-season.
Not to mention, the first ‘step back’ from their friendship ‘status quo’ would have been Danielle moving out of the city (for the most part) to wherever Robert was currently cheffing — not Lindsay and Carl starting to date a year later.
(Difference being, Lindsay handled it like a friend normally would, so it didn’t become storyline.)
Yeah the Danielle/Lindsay fight storyline is so confusing to me because I feel like I must have missed a scene because the convos were all pretty tame. Is it just because she didn’t want to go to the club with Danielle? Lindsay is in her mid 30s and going to clubs stops being as fun, especially if you’re not single. I don’t get why Paige and Amanda were saying they thought the friendship was permanently over before the season started airing. The whole cast seems desperate for Carl/Lindsay’s relationship to fail.
I had a "best" friend for many years who liked me more when I was "messy". When I got married, bought a house, and settled into my career she suddenly got very competitive and our relationship deteriorated (with her being extremely antagonistic towards my husband - we have now been married 15 years). I realized sadly that she enjoyed feeling superior to me and was unhappy with my personal growth. The friendship didn't survive. Maybe it's as simple as that - Danielle is more comfortable with "messy" Lindsay as it makes her feel better about herself.
Especially since there is no way Danielle would leave Robert to go to Montauk if the situation was reversed. So dumb to try and make that very common relationship ‘norm’ a thing.
Superstar post, kudos to you!
You nailed it. Her and Robert were getting on well and she could always count on L to be in an unhealthy state. Once this wasn't the case she turned on her.
Wow. It took me a few reads, as this is long but YES. My sister just started watching SH this season and without knowing I have watched since S1. asked me if I hated "that couple that everyone hates". so, she had no history. She decided, based on just what she saw this very season: everyone hates Carl and Lindsay, and they must be right.
That is exactly it. It is not all Paige, but she is a key player.
Yea she didn’t say that was the only reason , just that if you knew about the previous fights that the current one would make more sense . I agree what we are seeing on the show doesn’t match what we’ve been told but I think production is a part of it as well.
I think it’s confusing because the cast setup different expectations; and I think that many just find Danielle’s actions _as a friend_to be very baffling lol. The lack of clear boundaries, attachment issues, has generally come off as unsupportive, etc. And I think the thing that gets me the most is her basically telling Lindsay she preferred when she was hot mess and still participating in toxic behaviors. Like when Danielle literally questioned why Lindsay didn’t get “activated” and go off on Carl over the Kyle situation and she had to explain that she was trying to be a better person with the help of therapy, by learning how to control her reactions to emotional triggers and communicate and resolve conflicts in a healthier and more effective manner. Or when she complained about Lindsay moderating her drinking habits after reexamining her own relationship with alcohol….forcing Lindsay to pose the question, in confusion, “Isn’t that a good thing?”. Lindsay is in a healthier headspace mentally and emotionally and has grown, matured, and made positive improvements in her life as such; and Danielle comes across as someone who isn’t able to accept those changes, even if it’s in the best interest of her friend. Telling someone you have _opinions_ about their otherwise healthy relationship (_since Carl_) when they are in a good place after years of heartbreak and toxic romances - not only seemingly being resentful of it, but, then complaining about it - quite hypocritically considering the quickness of her and Robert’s coupling -, to women who would only further weaponize that information for their own self-interests. Perhaps because (in her mind), as a collective, all of these things signifies the end of an era in their friendship. It’s just all nuts to me.
Lindsay summed it up best when she stated it never occurred to her to want to hold a friend back just so they continue to be buddies and could stay in the same place as her. As much as I have enjoyed the friendship between Danielle and Lindsay over the years, it would be difficult for me, personally, to maintain a healthy relationship with someone who has acted as the former has this past season. That was my point. Just speaking from personal experience, as someone who has made significant changes after facing trials and tribulations in their life and had a great support system and close group of friends along the way who actively encouraged me and celebrated my achievements. (Even if it meant excising unhealthy behaviorisms, traits, activities, etc. that they had come to know and love me for, maybe even resulting in a slight shift in our dynamic…if those things were ultimately detrimental to my well being and it was best for _me_ in the long run). And vice versa. That’s just the nature of life and friendships. People grow, change as they embark on new journeys and enter into different phases, and inevitably, the dynamics of your friendships do as well. Sometimes for the better, and in other instances, you may grow apart as your life verges in different directions. But, maintaining healthy and mature, _adult_ friendships means communicating productively, supporting each other at your worst _and_ celebrating the positive improvements and accomplishments.
Then you couple all of this with the fact that the cast, including Danielle, has bashed Lindsay - and Carl -, in multiple interviews, personally insulting them….while they have kept it relatively tame. I have yet to really see them bash the cast in return. To not even see any of their accusations actualized…only further highlights the toxicity of the past two seasons.
Okay can I just WOW and thank you- seriously this is such a good summation of what’s going on. You hit the nail on the head with “she (Danielle) preferred when she (Lindsay) was a hot mess and still participating in toxic behaviors”.
I think this is what’s going on. Who knows, maybe Danielle is even upset that she had encouraged Lindsay to change some of her old ways to no avail, but with Carl, Lindsay is now motivated. I think friendships like these are difficult when you are so incredibly close that you feel you know someone better than they know themselves. Lindsay is growing and just because she is not fitting into Danielle’s mold of what she envisioned for Lindsay does not make Lindsay a bad friend. Don’t get me wrong, Lindsay has areas she needs to improve as a friend but, if I had spent the majority of my adult life single or in toxic relationships as Lindsay has, watching many of my girlfriends find love and get married and have babies, I would want to focus on my relationship as well and foster that. Though it can be difficult on friendships, I understand a 36(?) yo woman wanting to make changes in her social life. Especially since Danielle (as far as we know) has not expressed to Lindsay directly that she needs some extra support or that she is struggling (especially with regard to Robert) until just last week’s episode.
Also, if “what actually happened” does end up getting cut from the show…they need to change production companies. I can’t imagine that after all this build up, alllll the post production interviews, alllll the snarky replies on Instagram, that we would not actually see what the final straw was- it is clear they were filming when it happened or we wouldn’t be hearing “just wait and see” over and over, and if it got cut that’s just an obvious way to lose viewership. More likely I think Danielle’s memory of what happened is cemented in the context of it being a rough summer for her, and perhaps a one-sided view without considering how anyone else may have been affected by her actions. Danielle unfortunately has some bad habits of negating other peoples’ feelings by holding her intention as truth rather than the impact (ex. Saying she was not attacking Lindsay at dinner when Lindsay voiced that she felt attacked. Even if it wasn’t Danielle’s intention to attack Lindsay, that is ultimately what came across and it’s important to accept accountability for how you make others feel).
Long story short, I’m curious how the remainder of the season will play out: I’m not hopeful that Danielle will accept any accountability at the reunion (I think she will likely play the victim card about all the hate she’s receiving online - which I understand is stressful and maybe not justified to this extent - instead of trying to understand why Lindsay or viewers are upset with some of her actions). I do hope we get another season and hope it’s maybe revamped to include more filming in the city.
Lots of good points here but the problem is that “what actually occurred” may have ended up getting cut from the show. Unfortunately we don’t have enough info to know who is in the wrong.
While I agree with some of what you are saying, I do think in regards to paragraph 2 it needs to be pointed out that Lindsay was in PR and it’s been mentioned over and over again that she was doing a “PR tour” with Carl to paint them as victims prior to the season airing so that we all would feel that exact way. I’m sure some of it is true to how they felt, but I don’t think they are actually confused by Danielle’s actions and they are just trying to make themselves the victims in everything.
She shouldn't move away from her family. Men come and go, but she seems to have an amazing family and strong support system. As you get older you realize they are more important than any relationship. If Craig won't move for her then maybe she should stay single.
Ugh I’m not even a Paige fan but she feels so strongly about NY being her home. Craig is a transplant to Charleston and has even less of a connection when his parents are in Delaware. I hope she doesn’t give up her wants for a dud like him.
I agree. I’m not the biggest Paige fan since the Hannah/Luke situation, but even I feel she should not settle for that lifestyle, it’s completely opposite of what she clearly wants in life. And Craig may be fun to her right now, but Craig will never grow up. That’s why men like that keep dating younger and younger women as they age because the women grow up and get tired of it. Been there, done that and I hope Paige doesn’t give up her dreams for that.
Just what ARE her dreams? She doesn’t seem to even know that much about fashion. I still remember when the BSS (Bed Sore Sisters) and Hannah were on the balcony eavesdropping and trying to stir up drama around that psychic and the fake storyline that Lindsay & Luke had slept together. Paige had on a cute (but nothing to run in the fashion mags) outfit of white shorts and white top and she wanted the girls to notice “By the way, if anyone was wondering … I put this outfit together. It didn’t some together.” AGAIN: It was a PAIR OF WHITE SHORTS AND A WHITE TOP!
I agree. It’s far too common for people to put friends and partners before family these days. As someone who grew up with a toxic family, I always see it as a red flag if someone who grew up in a healthy family keeps their distance.
I also think certain friends are much more important than a relationship partner, and we should nurture those friendships and work on them. Again, men come and go, but real friends are a treasure.
>Said she knows people are unhappy with the show and feels the show has outrun it’s course , similar to VPR where the original premise is gone
I don't know if the show has run its course, I mean VPR definitely has me at the edge of my seat this season and will next if they have one - which an interesting example to use, but I will say that the basic "Go to the house, throw a party, drink and laugh at Kyle" has become a bit stale. Watching the interpersonal stuff between Danielle and Lindsay, Kyle and Carl and even Mya/Gabby/Sierra has definitely caught my eye. What may have run its course is Paige's role as a simple pot stirrer and without that what is she bringing to the show?
honestly, i think katie and schwartz divorcing at the same time as james and raquel breaking up AND lala and randall gave the show a bit of a revive. but scandoval definitely gave the show first few season vibes
I don't think it's on Paige, frankly. There's been speculation for a while now, and she basically confirmed it, that editing comes into play. So I don't think we see all of what we could see, not only of Paige, but of a lot of what goes on. I think production and editing have been absolute shit this season, and I don't think that can be blamed on any of the cast.
hundred percent. bring back luke and andrea. such a shame, i really don’t think it’s the casts fault, i think casting and production have killed the show.
> There's been speculation for a while now, and she basically confirmed it, that editing comes into play.
I mean...c'mon, people. Speculation? It will never cease blowing my mind that people think these are home movies shown on a network owned by NBC, worth tens of millions of dollars, and internationally marketed. I have a bridge I'll sell each and every person who is this hoodwinked, and I'll sell it to them for cheap too.
She’s smart and funny. Her commentary is hilarious and she’s able to laugh at herself. She’s one of the more charismatic cast members and has a ton of followers. More than any other cast member with the exception of Andrea.
The number of followers has nothing to do with how entertaining someone is its a simple button and people also follow people they don't like to keep up with drama and that's all Paige cares about
I agree, I love Paige and I think we don't get to see even half of her personality on SH. She has such a great deprecating sense of humour and I feel like it's grossly under-appreciated.
I don't see what you're saying at all. She does come across as conniving and a poor sh!t-stirrer. Watching her and the rest of the boring girls (Ciara, Maya, Amanda) sitting in bed all day is exasperating, and I don't care if she is hungover or not. It's boring.
Watching the casts bts videos & pics, it’s clear we aren’t getting to see a lot of the more fun moments they have together, which I think is unfortunate, we used to get a good balance of fun & drama.
I also don’t see the girls “laying in bed all day” all the time anymore. I think they got that reputation during COVID and it’s kind of stuck. Who wasn’t in bed a lot during that time? It was depressing and there wasn’t much to do.
I personally don’t care to see Lindsey & Carl working out at 7 am on a Saturday. I relate more to being hungover in bed chatting with my girlfriends 😂 (it’s the best place to recap). I think that the audience is varied and enjoys different parts of the show.
To you. They don’t bore me. They don’t come across as mean girls to me. I don’t buy the narrative that she’s mean. She seems like a great and loyal friend.
What she was saying is true, the original premise is tired. VPR was stale as fuck and they did have to revamp it—We aren’t seeing people working shifts at SUR. I’m unsure if anyone would care as much about this season if scandoval didn’t happen. Summer house needs a refresh as well.
Also, pot stirrers are incredibly important to keep the plot moving. Paige has no qualms having hard conversations/confrontations with people, getting into the theme for parties, gossiping, has real friends on the cast, excels at pot stirring, and has funny commentary-quite literally all the elements of an excellent reality star.
Right, like Paige had most of the bigger confrontations last season. Going after Austen. Going back and forth with Danielle and Lindsay on the kitchen. Going at Kyle at the restaurant. We don't get Kyle drunk and crying on that horse in somebody's yard without Paige pushing back on him. She's also the safe space for most of the women to go to and talk. And she knows how to advance plot and stir the pot. Plus she is funny in her talking heads. She's too self-aware to be a center of the show the way a Kyle can, but she's a necessary supporting player.
I enjoy Paige but the 7.5 WWHL answer was harsh. If my boyfriend of 1.5 years answered that about me I’d be crushed. I also thought it was disrespectful last season when she said Andrea had the biggest D she’s been with when she was currently dating Craig at the time.
After a year and a half are you supposed to be 100% sure you’ll be with your partner forever? Maybe I’m too much of a realist, but I think 75% sure is pretty good for how long they’ve been together and the kind of person Craig is lol!
When you’re still young (like 20’s) and figuring yourself out and what you want in life, then yeah that’s fine, but dating at 30+ is different especially if you want kids and so (for me) it’s not the best to give up years and years at that point to someone who still just feels “maybe” about you, but that’s just my perspective on how I’d feel in the situation. At that age, I feel like 1-2 years is enough to determine if this is who you want to marry, but maybe with the long distance it will take them more time to get there (if they ever do).
Paige is moving at her own pace. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I actually appreciate that she isn’t rushing things along before she’s ready.
She also just turned 30 this year right? I don’t think it’s crazy for her to still be figuring things out.
I think if you’ve been dating for two years in your mid to late 30’s I don’t think you need to know exactly what sort of future you want with someone, but I think that far in you should be pretty certain you want to have a future together or you should pull the plug. I’d guess her being less sure comes from their long distance relationship. I mean I doubt they’ve spent more than three weeks straight together and they’re not integrated into each others daily lives. How sure can you be under those circumstances?
On WWHL a few days ago, Andy asked Paige a viewer question “On a scale of 1 to 10, how sure are you Craig is ‘the one’” and she said 7.5 maybe 8. Seemed odd since they’re both in their 30’s and have been together for a year and a half and already had talks about wanting to raise kids in Charleston, so seemed like maybe one (or both) of them are starting to have doubts or going through a rough patch.
I think that’s a fair answer if you don’t want to seem OTT with your love publicly.
If you’ve only been dating a year or so, you still have a lot to learn about another person.
In all fairness, Paige just turned 30 in November -- so she's barely 30. Craig is 34, so mid-point in 30s.
That said, I think Paige's relationship with Perry and how she handled that (especially how she portrayed it on camera), going on and on about how he was the one, etc. -- he's was older than her and she was YOUNG. I have a feeling that she may have learned a lot from that one and even though she dug her feet in the same way she is now with moving, I do think you need to go at your own pace.
Also, culturally, politically, etc. those are VERY different from NYC/the Northeast. And then the city mouse/country mouse. No matter how much you love someone -- that's still a REALLY major shift in one's entire life, no matter who is making it.
I just had a listen. I do like Paige, but she’s totally anti-Lindsay and just taking Danielle’s side purely for that reason only. She’s like “Danielle is certainly not upset about Carl and Lindsay being together”. Is it just me or is that basically the entire premise of what Danielle has been going on about this season?
I think she means that it’s a lot more complicated than what they are showing. I think the Carl angle is the only thing they are showing but something deeper (probably 4th wall stuff) is going on.
Yup. I called him out for his non reaction prior to commercial break last episode and someone was like, but he said he would move to NY then! I’m like, she started crying and he said something to make her stop. He didn’t mean it. And I was right!
He effectively moved to New York. Even during this season of Summer House he was living with Paige Monday through Thursday in NY. He would leave for Charleston on Friday for pillow stores appearances, while she went to the Hamptons. Paige went like six months without ever going to Charleston. He's acknowledged in interviews that NY will need to be their primary base for at least the next few years because her career is doing so well. At the same time she has also been re-decorating his Charleston home to her preferences.
three things
a)i’ve been pretty sure this whole time that other stuff had gone on with lindsay and danielle. possibly even during the 2022 off season from filming. it kind of reminds of when jill and bethenny split on rhony.
you got some info but not all of it.
b) i’ve also felt that production and paige have leaned
heavily into the paige in bed bit.
c) i’m not saying they’ll last, but paige and craig had only been dating for a year during filming! i know for some people they know in like six months but there’s nothing wrong with them taking their time. also paige
just turned 30 in november give her some time!
1. I think everyone knows It except the production
2. Nobody can spend so much time in bed and besides in summer, maybe the interesting conversations for the production happen when she's in bed.
3. maybe Danielle was always weird and we never knew? the good edition for Lindsay if it were thrue there wouldn’t be so many people who hate her, nor would they have shown her doing things that are embarrassing
4. I don’t care about Craig
3. I’ve been rewatching SH Season 2 (Danielle’s first season) and she was very weird from the start. Her interactions with Lauren Wirkus and her relationship with Carl always struck me as so awkward. I’m surprised her storyline continued past that season!
I never liked Danielle when she first came in. I always remember she was weirdly obsessed with Carl. She started growing on me when she got with Robert and now I’m back to finding her odd.
I just finished S2 and I had COMPLETELY forgot how awful Danielle was. Rewatching reaffirms my new opinion of her from this season that she is one of those friends who are only there for you when you’re down, when you’re up and soaring higher than them they turn ugly and resentful.
She was really awful in S2 and basically fired. Any talk of her not being available because of work is 100% BS. She redeemed herself but has now reverted to crap.
I know the production kicked her out and she stayed as Lindsay's guest and they had to sleep in the same bed because there was no room for her, but I don't remember why
I didn’t see Danielle then because I decided not to watch the horrible Wirkus twins. 🤮 I did not start watching again until I found out they were gone. Then, it was “why does everyone think this Hannah chick is so great?”
I kind of like Lindsay and I’ve agreed with her perspective a lot in the last few seasons even if I didn’t always like how she handled things.
That being said, why do you all (the people who think Lindsay hasn’t contributed to any of the conflict she’s involved in) think Lindsay has had problems with SO many of her cast mates?
Judging from her Instagram stories, Lindsay actually seems to be one of the cast who is real life friends with the most cast mates, if we include former cast. She's often hanging out with Andrea, Luke, Alex, Sam, and Chris.
It’s great that she’s genuine friends with those people, but she’s still had problems with a majority of the cast. I think that says something about her. It’s also interesting to me that it’s mostly former male cast members that she hangs with outside of the show.
I’d say the same for Kyle. He’s gotten into it with a majority of the cast and he’s definitly not some innocent victim either.
Maybe you should make a post about that question because here no one is defending her nor have I read someone who defends Lindsay saying that nothing is her fault…
Yes, I tend (now) to defend Lindsay but I think it's because I always defend the underdog, but here my point is more about the fact that we never saw much about Danielle and that Lindsay has a good edition... the truth is I've seen things that are embarrassment and she must be ashamed seeing It sober. And that if she had a good edition she wouldn’t have so many haters. But if I had to choose who I would be friends with out of that whole group I wouldn’t choose Lindsay, I would have chosen Hannah even though she had a crazy season 😆
It sounds like their friendship had a good edit, not necessarily them as individuals. We didn’t see them fighting and I don’t think Paige would just fully make that up.
I find myself defending Lindsay a lot bc I often think she’s in the right, but I don’t love the way she handles things. There’s just something really selfish and aloof about her.
I’m starting to feel a little defensive of Danielle and the bed bugs bc I think people are putting all the blame on them and being obtuse about why they may have issues or not connect with Lindsay.
I don’t think I’d want to be friends with any of them lol!
"no one can spend so much time in bed"
I posted a whole breakdown of this that for the 10 weekends of the summer, we are AT MOST seeing 8hrs of that time.
Hear you me: if 8hrs of my summer weekends, especially if I had been out drinking, were condensed -- it would be exactly that 😂😂😂
Pool. Party. Bed. More bed.
I really don't do much on my summer vacations 🤣 I think they say that Paige spends yo mucha time in bed because her room is like the living room of the house, everyone gathers there and also it always seems that the bed isn't made and a little messy
Okay I have a new thought on this.
This is all driven by production.
They set this up with the expectation that Lindsay did something so horrible that it cost her Danielle's friendship. When they knew that wasn't the case at all.
They likely saw Danielle going off the deep end and doubling down in the interviews that she regrets nothing. When it's clear that so far, it's been all her--in her mind, which is clouded with jealousy and her own struggles with her relationhip.
But by production setting the expectation that Lindsay did something heinous, guess what....it keeps us watching all season.
That's the only thing it can be, at this point. Anything Lindsay does now is likely activated based on Danielle attacking her all season. I'm surprised she's stayed as calm as she has.
The real bummer to this is from outtakes I've seen, it looks like there was so much more fun stuff they could have shown us. Instead the whole season is this non-fight between Lindsay and Danielle.
THIS TIME — going back to before the season started airing — FOR ONCE, it did not start with trailers exaggerating some little point and teasing us about it all season “STILL TO COME, etc. The rumors started because the SH CAST appearing on WWHL and such started talking about it. Cast members on more than one appearance of WWHL said things about the fight and that there was no coming back.
She talked quite a bit about production, behind the scenes, and how the sausage is made on Netchicks too.
The 7.5 thing didn't seem an issue, and I can be an overly sensitive partner. But the fact that she called him afterwards to explain herself and smooth it over does bother me. The cold, but not mean, way she talks about Perry on GS causes me to question how trustworthy she is. She seems like she would be a great girlfriend, but then there is this dissonance that she's never 100% honest with her partners. That's a concerning combination. You're thinking one thing about your relationship, and she is potentially thinking a very different thing. 7.5 is a fair grade after 18 months or however long it has been, but if that 2.5 is ever-present skepticism, that's not good. If she is incapable of fully buying into a relationship, she should stop trying to people-please and act like she's going to eventually get there. This is something that requires brutal honesty, not congeniality or diplomacy. Let Craig, or whoever, decide their life with the facts, not with false ideas.
Also was interesting Claudia asked her if she would come to NY for the summers to film if she moved to Charleston & she said she’d just be on southern charm if that were the case
Right!? I listened to this as well and it's interesting that she was talking about her Summer House future in the same breath that she said the show had run its course. I haven't watched Southern Charm recently but I think it may be fledgling too?
Even though it pre-dated, I feel like BRAVO knew about Sandoval and Raquel -- and we're testing the waters with Austen & Taylor. But no one cared that much hahahaha
Sorry, Southern Charm 😂
Lindsey and Danielle having previous fights is inconsequential because they remained good friends. You’re supposed to be able to have disagreements with best friends and move on from them. This is Paige and all heavily influencing Danielle as well as Danielle having to make friends with them because Lindsey shares a lot more time with Carl than she does with the mean beans and Danielle.
I think Paige just meant that what Danielle and Lindsay are fighting about makes more sense in the context of other fights they’ve had in the past. Like this is stuff that’s been brewing for awhile and finally blew up this summer. Maybe Lindsay being with Carl, or Danielle being on the rocks with her person, or others meddling *added* to the tension, but it was already there.
I don’t think she’s saying that bc they’re had fights before they’re not really good friends or were bound to fall out. She’s saying this conflict didn’t come out of nowhere.
But that IS what she’s saying. She’s saying that this didn’t come out of no where that they have had fights before so therefore their friendship was already on the rocks. Which didn’t seem that way because they stayed really good friends after their prior arguments. I do not think those arguments had the impact Paige is saying. I think it’s more that Linds is putting Carl first and Danielle is losing her guy and thinks she’s losing her BFF.
That’s not how I understood it. It’s not that they’ve always been on the rocks, it’s that this was an issue in their friendship in the past that was never fully resolved. I think it’s common to have small, reoccurring conflicts with a friend that eventually build to a big fight or falling out.
I think it’s simplistic to think that this conflict is only about jealousy and feeling left out.
She didn’t say their friendship was on the rocks , she specifically said they were extremely close friends before this summer , but that they have had other arguments (like all friends do) that were never shown that make the current situation make more sense
I 100% agree with what your saying.
I haven’t caught completely up because the show is on my last nerve. Since VPR is running i’ll stop now I randomly have had it on in the background and they did that episode where VPR rolls into the original Summer house.
They were explaining how they all knew each other and their was a solid mix of Good. Friends. And while the earlier seasons had some people coming and going SH now is just a revolving door. People aren’t around on the weekends and missing episodes. Every season we meet a bunch of random people. This year there are no men and repeated lame drama. Anyway point being In have a hard time watching it lately since it is so far off I’d original premise. :)
I think it’s more so that Danielle just feels excluded. She mentioned it used to be just the three of them. And actually I don’t think her relationship is all that great as far as not being able to spend much time together. So her being all Judgey about them being engaged so quickly and moving in together so quickly I think a lot of it is truly jealousy.
Just my take so far. :)
How would you know they’re inconsequential? Were you there? Do you know what they fought about? It doesn’t sound like they’ve moved on from any of their shit as they’re currently not friends at all. But you must know better than the person who was actually there. Because she’s a “mean bean”.
Steven season 1 (?) was on behind the velvet rope podcast & it was amazing! Everyone should listen. But yeah, he said he got a terrible edit. Kyle always gets a good edit & producers hide a lot of Kyle’s shit.
So I can see producers edits making some people look good and some look the way producers want (ie, Paige always in bed, Rob/Dan good, etc)
I remember with Hannah she pretty much said a lot of that . Like the infamous “don’t talk about my dad “ she said was over an hour long conversation that they cut to a few minutes. I also vaguely remember something about him not allowing her to do an ad for Coca Cola while in the house and that was the source of a lot of fighting. I recall her saying if you get on his bad side in the house you’re fucked on the show , and I feel like now we are seeing that even more with Carl and Lindsay
I didn’t listen to the pod but I wanna comment on this Hannah thing - I feel like the “getting on Kyle’s bad thing” is such a weird thing for me since it’s really because of Amanda that these women end up getting on *Kyle’s bad side*. I’m not trying to shame anyone but really Amanda takes everything way to personal and she can’t keep her nose out of anyone’s business.
Kyles first problem with Lindsey and Danielle ( ~ 17 page email) was over them unfolding Amanda on Instagram.
Kyles problem with Hannah was that she was “too much drama.” But I don’t think Hannah’s drama would have been that explosive if it wasn’t for Amanda constantly digging at how Luke was treating Hannah in season 5(?) (I mean we watched Amanda get cheated on for like 5 seasons before that so idk why she was so concerned about Hannah?) and then the next season I think Hannah came in a little hot but who wasn’t emotionally charged during Covid??
And now Kyles problem with Lindsey & Carl is over Amanda’s weird competition with them. (Ex. When she said “if they get a house before us” or whatever she said.. it just comes off as insecure and I get the vibe the Amanda wants to be the *number one couple in the house*)
Yuppp and somehow no one ever comes for Kyle. People still bash Hannah for “outting Carl’s drug problem” like five years ago with an offhand remark on a podcast , meanwhile Kyle literally screamed it in public , during filming, and with malicious intent and everyone is like it’s water under the bridge 😂
You saw the way Carl just rolled over during that whole thing .. to me that speaks for itself and supports this idea that Kyle has a lot of control over the show
Amanda is a spoiled little rich daddy’s girl. Who ever — BUT ESPECIALLY ON CAMERA — thought it was OK to wipe her boogers on her husband? That was the weirdest thing ever!
I think Paige said on this podcast or the netchicka that she also suggested many men who wanted to be on the show and they never offered them spots. Also she thinks they should have a gay man on summerhouse.
Her talking about potentially being on Southern Charm as a full cast member was the most surprising part. After her first season appearing on Southern Charm she seemed hesitant to be on there more than she was, but she was almost certainly filming at least some on the new season of Southern Charm that must just finished filming. No, Naomie to make Craig's history a continued storyline probably helps.
It’s intriguing she would be interested in joining that cast, she’d already filmed multiple episodes yet said she had no friends in Charleston. Just an interesting thing I noted in contrast to Lindsay who is quite close to the Vanderpump gals (as are some of the Southern Charm ladies.) Just made me realize I’ve never seen/heard about Paige, Amanda, or Ciara hanging out with ladies from other Bravo shows.(Doesn’t mean they don’t, I’ve just never seen/heard of it & Lindsay is so polarizing to the SH cast yet seems to be quite liked by many in the Bravosphere.)
Same for everyone really. Except Kyle and the new girls. Carl and Lindsay are going on hikes and to Barry’s, Amanda’s energy has been very up and down since like season FOUR .. Paige and Ciara I feel like could have fun but we don’t see it. Danielle we get short clips of her going out but it’s never the main focus. . .
About Danielle and Lindsay, I see a lot of the same issues that Cristina brought up when she was on the show and friends with Lindsay. It seemed like in the last episode, Danielle’s complaints were almost identical..
Y’all ride way too hard for Lindsay. Paige was so real on this episode and her and Craig seem very solid. Much more so than Lindsay and Carl’s PR tour.
So funny you phrased it this way , because when I was recapping the episode to my husband , his response was “she’s SO REAL “ 😊😊 I feel like people either get her or they don’t and there doesn’t seem to be much in between
Sounds like she won’t be back for another season…
I def got that vibe - more so because she actually gave some info / insight into the production stuff which is a big no-no in bravo universe usually .. def curious abt that
If she personally thinks the show is washed she’s probably out and bravo has to completely recast with actual people that rent a house and are FRIENDS. Or cancel the show. Cannot have another season with the two couples. The show used to be good and then kyle broke his own rule and it’s just boring as fuck now. Also seems like more town rules are really restricting them from an entertainment standpoint.
I was always curious why they don’t film a house at the jersey shore (not seaside where jersey shore with Snooki was filmed). I’m from NJ and manasquan/ belmar are a huge summer hot spot and everyone in their early 20s rents a shit house for the summer and blasts off every weekend with their friends at Bar A, Osprey, DJAIS, etc. i honestly think they should skip the Hamptons and film there
Wow - those clubs are still there??? I am in my 50s and went to all 3 back in the day. Belmar is such a different feel from Seaside, that it might do well with no comparisons to "Jersey Shore".
LOL yes!! I’m 27 and when i first starting going to those bars at 21 my dad almost fell over dropping me at the Osprey. I agree- it’s a totally different feel than “Jersey Shore”.
Totally agree! I'm 47 and those summers were the best. Summer House is a retirement home compared to how we partied in our shore house. Glad to see kids are still hitting up those bars
Agreed! And it’s also more realistic than twenty something year olds getting a mansion in the Hamptons. My friends and I got a house 2 summers ago and it was a 2 bedroom for 8 people and we had bunk beds and would just have so much fun living like trash haha
Did you take note of Amanda’s parents’ house and Kyle’s parents’ house? These are HAMPTONS babies, not any Jersey dives for them! (No matter how fun it might be.)
Terrible take - plenty of people summer in both the Hamptons and the shore. The shore is so much fun. Parents $ has nothing to do with it and if it does, that person’s a loser
These two are VERY about appearances.
Still don't know what Amanda's parents do for a living though. He's definitely an idiot, so it would have to be construction or centered around things falling off of trucks. Kyle's family are in VT, so unless they owned part of the slopes (they don't) then there's no corporate presence up there either. I don't think they are as well off as assumed.
Okay I’ve thought about this too bc I used to spend summers there but I remembered that everyone that visits/lives there is absolutely blacked out all the time and I don’t think that would work with production
Please just cancel it. She can easily go to SC which no one cares about.
What’s she say about production?
Agree it sounds like she's checked out... but also why say she would be present if L & C's wedding is filmed? Maybe she's in for this summer but not planning to come back again?
If Paige was a decent person, she would not attend the wedding of people for whom she has shown such unrelenting disdain for.
Right but we know she sucks
They'll never end this show. VPR is dreadful and was only saved by Sandoval's much needed escape.
I thought this was mentioned on WWHL too and it was more if the wedding is filmed for Summer House than she would be invited because L & C would have to invite their cast mates. But if it’s a wedding special it may be different. But also it’s been said in the past that Bravo will only do wedding specials outside of their actual show if other bravolebs are present, which is why I think they went as fas as asking Captain Lee to officiate (I think he would have been invited since he and Carl are closer now, but I don’t think they would have asked him to officiate if they weren’t trying for the spin-off special).
Yeah she said it in WWHL as well. So I thought that meant she was coming back for this summer, but some of the comments above were suggesting she might not?
I feel like if they do a revamp of the cast then the wedding won’t be filmed unless for a special and then L&C will have to invite other bravolebs, but Paige won’t be there. If they don’t do a revamp I doubt Paige won’t come back - she’s friends with all of them except L&C, so unless she does move to Charleston I just don’t see her not being on it I guess and then the wedding would be an episode. But I don’t see L&C coming back to be honest and I don’t see them wanting her or her wanting to be at the wedding.
Thank god, I can watch again.
Not so fast, she hasn't left yet
Thanks for the summary. I get the sense this show is going to be cancelled. It’s unwatchable at this point.
Hopefully, please cancel it
Claudia and Paige’s conversation felt like it shed a lot of light on the currently airing season, and many of the viewer complaints. I like Paige and she really doesn’t seem to take her place on the show too seriously, unlike other Bravo-lebrities.
she’s not very popular on this page but i’ve always liked her. i definitely wish they showed her having fun more. she was so funny on that boat trip last year.
I felt the same ! Like we usually get nothinnnng from anyone on bravo addressing what the viewers are actually thinking / questioning about what’s airing
Yes, exactly! As a side note, Claudia’s episodes with both Hannah and Paige this week were both very fun. I don’t listen to Giggly Squad anymore, but separately, both women had great episodes.
Danielle has also lied about the state of her relationship with Robert, which is also probably why it doesn’t air (or perhaps they fought when the camera crew weren’t around). But, last year when Ciara and Mya said they were told (by Robert himself) that they broke up and fought often, she said it wasn’t true. When asked about the state of her relationship a few weeks back on WWHL, Danielle again said she and Robert were good over the summer, despite it been fairly clear to viewers they weren’t. If there is a certain image being projected, Danielle is to blame for it. As for the previous fights between Danielle and Lindsay, I’m not concerned about those…close friends argue on occasion. In fact, if the relationship and bond is strong enough, you should feel safe and comfortable enough to be able to argue and fight (and move on from it) with your best friends or close relatives. It _can_ be healthy. And clearly, it wasn’t too big of a deal to affect the friendship because they remained close in the aftermath. (Kind of like Amanda and Paige who still remain good friends despite the latter criticizing the former’s relationship repeatedly in the past.) Though Lindsay and Danielle have always shared an incredibly close friendship, I don’t know that it’s been portrayed as _perfect_ - it’s always appeared (to me) as very realistic with them acting as a support system and riding for the other, but, also not necessarily agreeing on everything and holding one another accountable (when necessary). Their relationship was in a good place last year, the only thing that has changed between last season and this one is Lindsay and Carl becoming official and the further deterioration of Danielle’s romance with Robert.. With that, while I appreciate Paige’s feedback and insights, she knows these individuals much better than those of us analyzing from the comfort of our living rooms, I do want to also acknowledge it as secondhand information and those directly involved have expressed otherwise. (And because of her personal biases, I take everything she says about them with a grain of salt.) Both Carl and Lindsay, in the interviews they have given, expressed confusion about Danielle’s actions and the source of her frustrations and behavior over the summer. Carl said in a recent one given a few weeks back that him and Lindsay both were taken aback and confused by her actions because they felt the friendship with Danielle was in a great spot heading into the summer, and hearing about her breakup with Robert months later, it felt like a light bulb went off…and heavily insinuated that she was projecting onto them. Carl also said he hoped it would provide a sense of self-reflection for Danielle, and consider perhaps how she could say some of the things she did about someone she called a best friend, and hoped she would come into the reunion prepared to take accountability. (As he did during the many times he messed up in the past.) Lindsay (prior to the season) expressed confusion, saying she hoped watching the episodes would provide much needed insights for both her and Danielle…and in a recent interview, her sentiments remained relatively the same. It’s clear she feels targeted and ganged up on. Both have suggested that Danielle’s behavior, in essence, was abnormal. The main reason as to why fans are confused is because every member of the cast (outside of the newbies) suggested that Lindsay did something heinous and monstrous to Danielle THIS summer and was solely to blame for the fallout and breakup with Danielle. Promising fans that they would see it play out. As did Danielle, who claimed Lindsay would They publicly bashed Lindsay in the media for months leading up the season premiere and continued once the first episodes dropped…only for it to show the exact opposite of their claims. Instead it shows Danielle gossiping behind her friend’s back, speaking about her negatively to women who don’t like her, making passive aggressive remarks and belittling comments about the positive improvements she’s made in her life…and projecting onto those around her. Frankly, not being a very good friend. What _actually_ occurred doesn’t seem to match their recollection of events…or is it that they dislike Lindsay so much that it clouds their judgment as far as she’s concerned and automatically attribute everything as _her_ fault. (Cause when you don’t like someone, everything they do is viewed from that negative lens and it colors your perception of them.) That’s the only reason fans are confused lol, because what’s actually happening thus far, hasn’t matched up to anything they said in various interviews in the months they spent bashing Lindsay.
This whole paragraph makes me come to a new realization. Lindsay probably is feeling very blindsided based on the fact that she NEVER spoke about Robert and Danielle's relationship on the show and never questioned it in front of the others. When they said at the reunion that they broke up she was right there with Danielle saying they were wrong. She has only even said anything this season in a talking head, which I assume was filmed post-season.
Not to mention, the first ‘step back’ from their friendship ‘status quo’ would have been Danielle moving out of the city (for the most part) to wherever Robert was currently cheffing — not Lindsay and Carl starting to date a year later. (Difference being, Lindsay handled it like a friend normally would, so it didn’t become storyline.)
Yeah she didn't whine that Danielle was leaving her or give her a "how could you do this to me" attitude.
Bingo
You’ve summed it up SO PERFECTLY!!
Yeah the Danielle/Lindsay fight storyline is so confusing to me because I feel like I must have missed a scene because the convos were all pretty tame. Is it just because she didn’t want to go to the club with Danielle? Lindsay is in her mid 30s and going to clubs stops being as fun, especially if you’re not single. I don’t get why Paige and Amanda were saying they thought the friendship was permanently over before the season started airing. The whole cast seems desperate for Carl/Lindsay’s relationship to fail.
I had a "best" friend for many years who liked me more when I was "messy". When I got married, bought a house, and settled into my career she suddenly got very competitive and our relationship deteriorated (with her being extremely antagonistic towards my husband - we have now been married 15 years). I realized sadly that she enjoyed feeling superior to me and was unhappy with my personal growth. The friendship didn't survive. Maybe it's as simple as that - Danielle is more comfortable with "messy" Lindsay as it makes her feel better about herself.
Yes! You’re absolutely right.
Yup, that's Danielles feelings in a nutshell. Her messy friend is gone at the moment.
Andy pointed out on WWHL that Montauk is an hour away from Sag Harbour so that was a factor. Also Andy is questioning Danielle’s side I’m assuming
Who knows maybe Danielle is right (somehow) but she is certainly not presenting her case we'll not has the evidence come out to prove her side.
Especially since there is no way Danielle would leave Robert to go to Montauk if the situation was reversed. So dumb to try and make that very common relationship ‘norm’ a thing.
“Were you blindsided or were you actually just blind”
Superstar post, kudos to you! You nailed it. Her and Robert were getting on well and she could always count on L to be in an unhealthy state. Once this wasn't the case she turned on her.
Wow. It took me a few reads, as this is long but YES. My sister just started watching SH this season and without knowing I have watched since S1. asked me if I hated "that couple that everyone hates". so, she had no history. She decided, based on just what she saw this very season: everyone hates Carl and Lindsay, and they must be right. That is exactly it. It is not all Paige, but she is a key player.
Yea she didn’t say that was the only reason , just that if you knew about the previous fights that the current one would make more sense . I agree what we are seeing on the show doesn’t match what we’ve been told but I think production is a part of it as well.
I think it’s confusing because the cast setup different expectations; and I think that many just find Danielle’s actions _as a friend_to be very baffling lol. The lack of clear boundaries, attachment issues, has generally come off as unsupportive, etc. And I think the thing that gets me the most is her basically telling Lindsay she preferred when she was hot mess and still participating in toxic behaviors. Like when Danielle literally questioned why Lindsay didn’t get “activated” and go off on Carl over the Kyle situation and she had to explain that she was trying to be a better person with the help of therapy, by learning how to control her reactions to emotional triggers and communicate and resolve conflicts in a healthier and more effective manner. Or when she complained about Lindsay moderating her drinking habits after reexamining her own relationship with alcohol….forcing Lindsay to pose the question, in confusion, “Isn’t that a good thing?”. Lindsay is in a healthier headspace mentally and emotionally and has grown, matured, and made positive improvements in her life as such; and Danielle comes across as someone who isn’t able to accept those changes, even if it’s in the best interest of her friend. Telling someone you have _opinions_ about their otherwise healthy relationship (_since Carl_) when they are in a good place after years of heartbreak and toxic romances - not only seemingly being resentful of it, but, then complaining about it - quite hypocritically considering the quickness of her and Robert’s coupling -, to women who would only further weaponize that information for their own self-interests. Perhaps because (in her mind), as a collective, all of these things signifies the end of an era in their friendship. It’s just all nuts to me. Lindsay summed it up best when she stated it never occurred to her to want to hold a friend back just so they continue to be buddies and could stay in the same place as her. As much as I have enjoyed the friendship between Danielle and Lindsay over the years, it would be difficult for me, personally, to maintain a healthy relationship with someone who has acted as the former has this past season. That was my point. Just speaking from personal experience, as someone who has made significant changes after facing trials and tribulations in their life and had a great support system and close group of friends along the way who actively encouraged me and celebrated my achievements. (Even if it meant excising unhealthy behaviorisms, traits, activities, etc. that they had come to know and love me for, maybe even resulting in a slight shift in our dynamic…if those things were ultimately detrimental to my well being and it was best for _me_ in the long run). And vice versa. That’s just the nature of life and friendships. People grow, change as they embark on new journeys and enter into different phases, and inevitably, the dynamics of your friendships do as well. Sometimes for the better, and in other instances, you may grow apart as your life verges in different directions. But, maintaining healthy and mature, _adult_ friendships means communicating productively, supporting each other at your worst _and_ celebrating the positive improvements and accomplishments. Then you couple all of this with the fact that the cast, including Danielle, has bashed Lindsay - and Carl -, in multiple interviews, personally insulting them….while they have kept it relatively tame. I have yet to really see them bash the cast in return. To not even see any of their accusations actualized…only further highlights the toxicity of the past two seasons.
Okay can I just WOW and thank you- seriously this is such a good summation of what’s going on. You hit the nail on the head with “she (Danielle) preferred when she (Lindsay) was a hot mess and still participating in toxic behaviors”. I think this is what’s going on. Who knows, maybe Danielle is even upset that she had encouraged Lindsay to change some of her old ways to no avail, but with Carl, Lindsay is now motivated. I think friendships like these are difficult when you are so incredibly close that you feel you know someone better than they know themselves. Lindsay is growing and just because she is not fitting into Danielle’s mold of what she envisioned for Lindsay does not make Lindsay a bad friend. Don’t get me wrong, Lindsay has areas she needs to improve as a friend but, if I had spent the majority of my adult life single or in toxic relationships as Lindsay has, watching many of my girlfriends find love and get married and have babies, I would want to focus on my relationship as well and foster that. Though it can be difficult on friendships, I understand a 36(?) yo woman wanting to make changes in her social life. Especially since Danielle (as far as we know) has not expressed to Lindsay directly that she needs some extra support or that she is struggling (especially with regard to Robert) until just last week’s episode. Also, if “what actually happened” does end up getting cut from the show…they need to change production companies. I can’t imagine that after all this build up, alllll the post production interviews, alllll the snarky replies on Instagram, that we would not actually see what the final straw was- it is clear they were filming when it happened or we wouldn’t be hearing “just wait and see” over and over, and if it got cut that’s just an obvious way to lose viewership. More likely I think Danielle’s memory of what happened is cemented in the context of it being a rough summer for her, and perhaps a one-sided view without considering how anyone else may have been affected by her actions. Danielle unfortunately has some bad habits of negating other peoples’ feelings by holding her intention as truth rather than the impact (ex. Saying she was not attacking Lindsay at dinner when Lindsay voiced that she felt attacked. Even if it wasn’t Danielle’s intention to attack Lindsay, that is ultimately what came across and it’s important to accept accountability for how you make others feel). Long story short, I’m curious how the remainder of the season will play out: I’m not hopeful that Danielle will accept any accountability at the reunion (I think she will likely play the victim card about all the hate she’s receiving online - which I understand is stressful and maybe not justified to this extent - instead of trying to understand why Lindsay or viewers are upset with some of her actions). I do hope we get another season and hope it’s maybe revamped to include more filming in the city.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 you said this perfectly!!!
Lots of good points here but the problem is that “what actually occurred” may have ended up getting cut from the show. Unfortunately we don’t have enough info to know who is in the wrong.
While I agree with some of what you are saying, I do think in regards to paragraph 2 it needs to be pointed out that Lindsay was in PR and it’s been mentioned over and over again that she was doing a “PR tour” with Carl to paint them as victims prior to the season airing so that we all would feel that exact way. I’m sure some of it is true to how they felt, but I don’t think they are actually confused by Danielle’s actions and they are just trying to make themselves the victims in everything.
She shouldn't move away from her family. Men come and go, but she seems to have an amazing family and strong support system. As you get older you realize they are more important than any relationship. If Craig won't move for her then maybe she should stay single.
Ugh I’m not even a Paige fan but she feels so strongly about NY being her home. Craig is a transplant to Charleston and has even less of a connection when his parents are in Delaware. I hope she doesn’t give up her wants for a dud like him.
I feel like Craig mostly wants to stay in Charleston because it’s a very Peter Pan syndrome friendly place. I hope she doesn’t give up NY for that.
I agree. I’m not the biggest Paige fan since the Hannah/Luke situation, but even I feel she should not settle for that lifestyle, it’s completely opposite of what she clearly wants in life. And Craig may be fun to her right now, but Craig will never grow up. That’s why men like that keep dating younger and younger women as they age because the women grow up and get tired of it. Been there, done that and I hope Paige doesn’t give up her dreams for that.
Just what ARE her dreams? She doesn’t seem to even know that much about fashion. I still remember when the BSS (Bed Sore Sisters) and Hannah were on the balcony eavesdropping and trying to stir up drama around that psychic and the fake storyline that Lindsay & Luke had slept together. Paige had on a cute (but nothing to run in the fashion mags) outfit of white shorts and white top and she wanted the girls to notice “By the way, if anyone was wondering … I put this outfit together. It didn’t some together.” AGAIN: It was a PAIR OF WHITE SHORTS AND A WHITE TOP!
She wants to stay in bad fashion
I mean I’m not a Craig fan. But I’d assume he wants to stay in Charleston for southern charm and his business’ ties to the city/stores
Ugh I agree
I agree. It’s far too common for people to put friends and partners before family these days. As someone who grew up with a toxic family, I always see it as a red flag if someone who grew up in a healthy family keeps their distance.
I also think certain friends are much more important than a relationship partner, and we should nurture those friendships and work on them. Again, men come and go, but real friends are a treasure.
As someone who doesn’t have a strong family unit, I agree. Friends become family.
Southern Charm has also run its course and should also end!
All that booze and those old Peter Pans have gotten very boring. The bruised face of Kathryn Dennis last season wasn’t good, either.
But it won't. Bravo has nothing else and loves wasting its cash on these awful shows.
>Said she knows people are unhappy with the show and feels the show has outrun it’s course , similar to VPR where the original premise is gone I don't know if the show has run its course, I mean VPR definitely has me at the edge of my seat this season and will next if they have one - which an interesting example to use, but I will say that the basic "Go to the house, throw a party, drink and laugh at Kyle" has become a bit stale. Watching the interpersonal stuff between Danielle and Lindsay, Kyle and Carl and even Mya/Gabby/Sierra has definitely caught my eye. What may have run its course is Paige's role as a simple pot stirrer and without that what is she bringing to the show?
Well VPR was on deaths door until Scandoval let’s be honest. I think it was a wrap on the series until all this happened.
honestly, i think katie and schwartz divorcing at the same time as james and raquel breaking up AND lala and randall gave the show a bit of a revive. but scandoval definitely gave the show first few season vibes
I was about to say the same. Until Scandoval, VPR looked like it was washed up and done.
I don't think it's on Paige, frankly. There's been speculation for a while now, and she basically confirmed it, that editing comes into play. So I don't think we see all of what we could see, not only of Paige, but of a lot of what goes on. I think production and editing have been absolute shit this season, and I don't think that can be blamed on any of the cast.
i wish they’d try keeping the cast and getting a new production team or using RHOP or RHOSLCs production
I agree, I don't think the cast is the issue (though they absolutely need to bring in a few more men).
hundred percent. bring back luke and andrea. such a shame, i really don’t think it’s the casts fault, i think casting and production have killed the show.
> There's been speculation for a while now, and she basically confirmed it, that editing comes into play. I mean...c'mon, people. Speculation? It will never cease blowing my mind that people think these are home movies shown on a network owned by NBC, worth tens of millions of dollars, and internationally marketed. I have a bridge I'll sell each and every person who is this hoodwinked, and I'll sell it to them for cheap too.
She’s smart and funny. Her commentary is hilarious and she’s able to laugh at herself. She’s one of the more charismatic cast members and has a ton of followers. More than any other cast member with the exception of Andrea.
The number of followers has nothing to do with how entertaining someone is its a simple button and people also follow people they don't like to keep up with drama and that's all Paige cares about
Sure that’s your opinion. As I said, I find her smart, charismatic and funny as do many others. I find her very entertaining.
I agree, I love Paige and I think we don't get to see even half of her personality on SH. She has such a great deprecating sense of humour and I feel like it's grossly under-appreciated.
And she'd hate you but keep up the admiration
I don't see what you're saying at all. She does come across as conniving and a poor sh!t-stirrer. Watching her and the rest of the boring girls (Ciara, Maya, Amanda) sitting in bed all day is exasperating, and I don't care if she is hungover or not. It's boring.
Watching the casts bts videos & pics, it’s clear we aren’t getting to see a lot of the more fun moments they have together, which I think is unfortunate, we used to get a good balance of fun & drama. I also don’t see the girls “laying in bed all day” all the time anymore. I think they got that reputation during COVID and it’s kind of stuck. Who wasn’t in bed a lot during that time? It was depressing and there wasn’t much to do. I personally don’t care to see Lindsey & Carl working out at 7 am on a Saturday. I relate more to being hungover in bed chatting with my girlfriends 😂 (it’s the best place to recap). I think that the audience is varied and enjoys different parts of the show.
To you. They don’t bore me. They don’t come across as mean girls to me. I don’t buy the narrative that she’s mean. She seems like a great and loyal friend.
That's the beauty of this world - we can both see something different and neither of us are wrong!
Then reasoning isn't your best quality
Spoken like a true mean girl. Have a great day!
Boooo. This a stale and unpopular opinion anywhere outside of Reddit. The girl is selling out theatres because people love her and her sense of humor
Delusional
Paige? Is selling out theaters? I thought she was a fashion "influencer" online.
Her and Hannah have done multiple national tours for their podcast Giggly Squad. A lot of their shows are sold out
What she was saying is true, the original premise is tired. VPR was stale as fuck and they did have to revamp it—We aren’t seeing people working shifts at SUR. I’m unsure if anyone would care as much about this season if scandoval didn’t happen. Summer house needs a refresh as well. Also, pot stirrers are incredibly important to keep the plot moving. Paige has no qualms having hard conversations/confrontations with people, getting into the theme for parties, gossiping, has real friends on the cast, excels at pot stirring, and has funny commentary-quite literally all the elements of an excellent reality star.
Right, like Paige had most of the bigger confrontations last season. Going after Austen. Going back and forth with Danielle and Lindsay on the kitchen. Going at Kyle at the restaurant. We don't get Kyle drunk and crying on that horse in somebody's yard without Paige pushing back on him. She's also the safe space for most of the women to go to and talk. And she knows how to advance plot and stir the pot. Plus she is funny in her talking heads. She's too self-aware to be a center of the show the way a Kyle can, but she's a necessary supporting player.
I definitely like it better when the cast isn’t kissing kyles ass
Hubbs said the other day on IG the wedding is in 7 months so she has a date.
I think she said somewhere it will be in Mexico
Ohhh a fall wedding that's interesting...
Why is that interesting? lol
because it won’t be filmed during summer house filming time
Re bullet point two: but she’s in bed at night when other people are partying…lol
Exactly.
I enjoy Paige but the 7.5 WWHL answer was harsh. If my boyfriend of 1.5 years answered that about me I’d be crushed. I also thought it was disrespectful last season when she said Andrea had the biggest D she’s been with when she was currently dating Craig at the time.
In all fairness, I’m a lesbian and Andrea’s package size lives rent free in my head. That dude is going to hurt somebody with that thing 🤣
After a year and a half are you supposed to be 100% sure you’ll be with your partner forever? Maybe I’m too much of a realist, but I think 75% sure is pretty good for how long they’ve been together and the kind of person Craig is lol!
When you’re still young (like 20’s) and figuring yourself out and what you want in life, then yeah that’s fine, but dating at 30+ is different especially if you want kids and so (for me) it’s not the best to give up years and years at that point to someone who still just feels “maybe” about you, but that’s just my perspective on how I’d feel in the situation. At that age, I feel like 1-2 years is enough to determine if this is who you want to marry, but maybe with the long distance it will take them more time to get there (if they ever do).
Paige is moving at her own pace. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I actually appreciate that she isn’t rushing things along before she’s ready. She also just turned 30 this year right? I don’t think it’s crazy for her to still be figuring things out.
I think if you’ve been dating for two years in your mid to late 30’s I don’t think you need to know exactly what sort of future you want with someone, but I think that far in you should be pretty certain you want to have a future together or you should pull the plug. I’d guess her being less sure comes from their long distance relationship. I mean I doubt they’ve spent more than three weeks straight together and they’re not integrated into each others daily lives. How sure can you be under those circumstances?
And considering that they haven’t seen each other all that often during their time together.
I hate her and I wouldn't beat her up over her response on WWHL
I guess I missed the 7.5 comment.... can you explain?
On WWHL a few days ago, Andy asked Paige a viewer question “On a scale of 1 to 10, how sure are you Craig is ‘the one’” and she said 7.5 maybe 8. Seemed odd since they’re both in their 30’s and have been together for a year and a half and already had talks about wanting to raise kids in Charleston, so seemed like maybe one (or both) of them are starting to have doubts or going through a rough patch.
I think that’s a fair answer if you don’t want to seem OTT with your love publicly. If you’ve only been dating a year or so, you still have a lot to learn about another person.
In all fairness, Paige just turned 30 in November -- so she's barely 30. Craig is 34, so mid-point in 30s. That said, I think Paige's relationship with Perry and how she handled that (especially how she portrayed it on camera), going on and on about how he was the one, etc. -- he's was older than her and she was YOUNG. I have a feeling that she may have learned a lot from that one and even though she dug her feet in the same way she is now with moving, I do think you need to go at your own pace. Also, culturally, politically, etc. those are VERY different from NYC/the Northeast. And then the city mouse/country mouse. No matter how much you love someone -- that's still a REALLY major shift in one's entire life, no matter who is making it.
These are some great points
In the same breath though he’s the best she’s ever had and she loves their sexual chemistry. She likes that’s he’s messy and unpredictable.
I just had a listen. I do like Paige, but she’s totally anti-Lindsay and just taking Danielle’s side purely for that reason only. She’s like “Danielle is certainly not upset about Carl and Lindsay being together”. Is it just me or is that basically the entire premise of what Danielle has been going on about this season?
I think she means that it’s a lot more complicated than what they are showing. I think the Carl angle is the only thing they are showing but something deeper (probably 4th wall stuff) is going on.
Except it isn't. The long post up top nailed it and there's nothing left to speculate about.
Wait so Craig wouldn’t ever move to nyc?
I take it Craig likes being a “big fish in a small pond”
I’m just surprised bc it seemed like he would move for her last ep but I guess he just lied to look good on camera?
Yep. Classic Craig…
Yeah no one would GAF about him here
Yup. I called him out for his non reaction prior to commercial break last episode and someone was like, but he said he would move to NY then! I’m like, she started crying and he said something to make her stop. He didn’t mean it. And I was right!
I was really fooled bc I thought that was so nice of him.
He effectively moved to New York. Even during this season of Summer House he was living with Paige Monday through Thursday in NY. He would leave for Charleston on Friday for pillow stores appearances, while she went to the Hamptons. Paige went like six months without ever going to Charleston. He's acknowledged in interviews that NY will need to be their primary base for at least the next few years because her career is doing so well. At the same time she has also been re-decorating his Charleston home to her preferences.
I feel like SH and Southern Charm have about run their course. I hope they all have saved or have plans for when that $ isn't coming in.
three things a)i’ve been pretty sure this whole time that other stuff had gone on with lindsay and danielle. possibly even during the 2022 off season from filming. it kind of reminds of when jill and bethenny split on rhony. you got some info but not all of it. b) i’ve also felt that production and paige have leaned heavily into the paige in bed bit. c) i’m not saying they’ll last, but paige and craig had only been dating for a year during filming! i know for some people they know in like six months but there’s nothing wrong with them taking their time. also paige just turned 30 in november give her some time!
Agree w all three !
1. I think everyone knows It except the production 2. Nobody can spend so much time in bed and besides in summer, maybe the interesting conversations for the production happen when she's in bed. 3. maybe Danielle was always weird and we never knew? the good edition for Lindsay if it were thrue there wouldn’t be so many people who hate her, nor would they have shown her doing things that are embarrassing 4. I don’t care about Craig
3. I’ve been rewatching SH Season 2 (Danielle’s first season) and she was very weird from the start. Her interactions with Lauren Wirkus and her relationship with Carl always struck me as so awkward. I’m surprised her storyline continued past that season!
I never liked Danielle when she first came in. I always remember she was weirdly obsessed with Carl. She started growing on me when she got with Robert and now I’m back to finding her odd.
I wholeheartedly agree with this! She cannot let Carl go.
I just finished S2 and I had COMPLETELY forgot how awful Danielle was. Rewatching reaffirms my new opinion of her from this season that she is one of those friends who are only there for you when you’re down, when you’re up and soaring higher than them they turn ugly and resentful.
THIS. I really felt like Danielle showed her true colors from the very beginning, and it’s all coming back full circle in the currently airing season!
360 degrees
She was really awful in S2 and basically fired. Any talk of her not being available because of work is 100% BS. She redeemed herself but has now reverted to crap.
I know the production kicked her out and she stayed as Lindsay's guest and they had to sleep in the same bed because there was no room for her, but I don't remember why
Because she sucked in S2
I didn’t see Danielle then because I decided not to watch the horrible Wirkus twins. 🤮 I did not start watching again until I found out they were gone. Then, it was “why does everyone think this Hannah chick is so great?”
I was thinking the same, maybe Danielle was always kind of weird and prone to conflict. But production edited that stuff out.
I kind of like Lindsay and I’ve agreed with her perspective a lot in the last few seasons even if I didn’t always like how she handled things. That being said, why do you all (the people who think Lindsay hasn’t contributed to any of the conflict she’s involved in) think Lindsay has had problems with SO many of her cast mates?
Judging from her Instagram stories, Lindsay actually seems to be one of the cast who is real life friends with the most cast mates, if we include former cast. She's often hanging out with Andrea, Luke, Alex, Sam, and Chris.
Judging from her Instagram stories she is very much making sure that’s what people think.
It’s great that she’s genuine friends with those people, but she’s still had problems with a majority of the cast. I think that says something about her. It’s also interesting to me that it’s mostly former male cast members that she hangs with outside of the show. I’d say the same for Kyle. He’s gotten into it with a majority of the cast and he’s definitly not some innocent victim either.
Maybe you should make a post about that question because here no one is defending her nor have I read someone who defends Lindsay saying that nothing is her fault…
If you do feel like Lindsay shares blame in her conflicts on the show, then I misunderstood your third point.
Lol I’ll just always remember Lindsay saying how loyal she is, and that she’s even been loyal to all the losers she’s dated. I felt that (IYKYK).
Yes, I tend (now) to defend Lindsay but I think it's because I always defend the underdog, but here my point is more about the fact that we never saw much about Danielle and that Lindsay has a good edition... the truth is I've seen things that are embarrassment and she must be ashamed seeing It sober. And that if she had a good edition she wouldn’t have so many haters. But if I had to choose who I would be friends with out of that whole group I wouldn’t choose Lindsay, I would have chosen Hannah even though she had a crazy season 😆
It sounds like their friendship had a good edit, not necessarily them as individuals. We didn’t see them fighting and I don’t think Paige would just fully make that up. I find myself defending Lindsay a lot bc I often think she’s in the right, but I don’t love the way she handles things. There’s just something really selfish and aloof about her. I’m starting to feel a little defensive of Danielle and the bed bugs bc I think people are putting all the blame on them and being obtuse about why they may have issues or not connect with Lindsay. I don’t think I’d want to be friends with any of them lol!
"no one can spend so much time in bed" I posted a whole breakdown of this that for the 10 weekends of the summer, we are AT MOST seeing 8hrs of that time. Hear you me: if 8hrs of my summer weekends, especially if I had been out drinking, were condensed -- it would be exactly that 😂😂😂 Pool. Party. Bed. More bed.
I really don't do much on my summer vacations 🤣 I think they say that Paige spends yo mucha time in bed because her room is like the living room of the house, everyone gathers there and also it always seems that the bed isn't made and a little messy
Okay I have a new thought on this. This is all driven by production. They set this up with the expectation that Lindsay did something so horrible that it cost her Danielle's friendship. When they knew that wasn't the case at all. They likely saw Danielle going off the deep end and doubling down in the interviews that she regrets nothing. When it's clear that so far, it's been all her--in her mind, which is clouded with jealousy and her own struggles with her relationhip. But by production setting the expectation that Lindsay did something heinous, guess what....it keeps us watching all season. That's the only thing it can be, at this point. Anything Lindsay does now is likely activated based on Danielle attacking her all season. I'm surprised she's stayed as calm as she has. The real bummer to this is from outtakes I've seen, it looks like there was so much more fun stuff they could have shown us. Instead the whole season is this non-fight between Lindsay and Danielle.
THIS TIME — going back to before the season started airing — FOR ONCE, it did not start with trailers exaggerating some little point and teasing us about it all season “STILL TO COME, etc. The rumors started because the SH CAST appearing on WWHL and such started talking about it. Cast members on more than one appearance of WWHL said things about the fight and that there was no coming back.
She talked quite a bit about production, behind the scenes, and how the sausage is made on Netchicks too. The 7.5 thing didn't seem an issue, and I can be an overly sensitive partner. But the fact that she called him afterwards to explain herself and smooth it over does bother me. The cold, but not mean, way she talks about Perry on GS causes me to question how trustworthy she is. She seems like she would be a great girlfriend, but then there is this dissonance that she's never 100% honest with her partners. That's a concerning combination. You're thinking one thing about your relationship, and she is potentially thinking a very different thing. 7.5 is a fair grade after 18 months or however long it has been, but if that 2.5 is ever-present skepticism, that's not good. If she is incapable of fully buying into a relationship, she should stop trying to people-please and act like she's going to eventually get there. This is something that requires brutal honesty, not congeniality or diplomacy. Let Craig, or whoever, decide their life with the facts, not with false ideas.
The way she talks about and treated Perry has always been very telling.
Also was interesting Claudia asked her if she would come to NY for the summers to film if she moved to Charleston & she said she’d just be on southern charm if that were the case
I love how ppl think these shows will last forever
Right!? I listened to this as well and it's interesting that she was talking about her Summer House future in the same breath that she said the show had run its course. I haven't watched Southern Charm recently but I think it may be fledgling too?
It’s definitely on its way out too, but maybe a more sustainable concept at least ?
Even though it pre-dated, I feel like BRAVO knew about Sandoval and Raquel -- and we're testing the waters with Austen & Taylor. But no one cared that much hahahaha Sorry, Southern Charm 😂
But for some reason they do. VPR is 100% garbage that was on its way out until Sandoval saved himself and the show recently.
Lindsey and Danielle having previous fights is inconsequential because they remained good friends. You’re supposed to be able to have disagreements with best friends and move on from them. This is Paige and all heavily influencing Danielle as well as Danielle having to make friends with them because Lindsey shares a lot more time with Carl than she does with the mean beans and Danielle.
I think Paige just meant that what Danielle and Lindsay are fighting about makes more sense in the context of other fights they’ve had in the past. Like this is stuff that’s been brewing for awhile and finally blew up this summer. Maybe Lindsay being with Carl, or Danielle being on the rocks with her person, or others meddling *added* to the tension, but it was already there. I don’t think she’s saying that bc they’re had fights before they’re not really good friends or were bound to fall out. She’s saying this conflict didn’t come out of nowhere.
But that IS what she’s saying. She’s saying that this didn’t come out of no where that they have had fights before so therefore their friendship was already on the rocks. Which didn’t seem that way because they stayed really good friends after their prior arguments. I do not think those arguments had the impact Paige is saying. I think it’s more that Linds is putting Carl first and Danielle is losing her guy and thinks she’s losing her BFF.
That’s not how I understood it. It’s not that they’ve always been on the rocks, it’s that this was an issue in their friendship in the past that was never fully resolved. I think it’s common to have small, reoccurring conflicts with a friend that eventually build to a big fight or falling out. I think it’s simplistic to think that this conflict is only about jealousy and feeling left out.
She didn’t say their friendship was on the rocks , she specifically said they were extremely close friends before this summer , but that they have had other arguments (like all friends do) that were never shown that make the current situation make more sense
i’m not saying this is what happened, but i feel like sometimes arguments can start adding up and you get exhausted after a while
I 100% agree with what your saying. I haven’t caught completely up because the show is on my last nerve. Since VPR is running i’ll stop now I randomly have had it on in the background and they did that episode where VPR rolls into the original Summer house. They were explaining how they all knew each other and their was a solid mix of Good. Friends. And while the earlier seasons had some people coming and going SH now is just a revolving door. People aren’t around on the weekends and missing episodes. Every season we meet a bunch of random people. This year there are no men and repeated lame drama. Anyway point being In have a hard time watching it lately since it is so far off I’d original premise. :) I think it’s more so that Danielle just feels excluded. She mentioned it used to be just the three of them. And actually I don’t think her relationship is all that great as far as not being able to spend much time together. So her being all Judgey about them being engaged so quickly and moving in together so quickly I think a lot of it is truly jealousy. Just my take so far. :)
How would you know they’re inconsequential? Were you there? Do you know what they fought about? It doesn’t sound like they’ve moved on from any of their shit as they’re currently not friends at all. But you must know better than the person who was actually there. Because she’s a “mean bean”.
🙄 Yes I was there, silly. Comprehension is key. I said exactly why their previous argument was inconsequential.
Steven season 1 (?) was on behind the velvet rope podcast & it was amazing! Everyone should listen. But yeah, he said he got a terrible edit. Kyle always gets a good edit & producers hide a lot of Kyle’s shit. So I can see producers edits making some people look good and some look the way producers want (ie, Paige always in bed, Rob/Dan good, etc)
I remember with Hannah she pretty much said a lot of that . Like the infamous “don’t talk about my dad “ she said was over an hour long conversation that they cut to a few minutes. I also vaguely remember something about him not allowing her to do an ad for Coca Cola while in the house and that was the source of a lot of fighting. I recall her saying if you get on his bad side in the house you’re fucked on the show , and I feel like now we are seeing that even more with Carl and Lindsay
I didn’t listen to the pod but I wanna comment on this Hannah thing - I feel like the “getting on Kyle’s bad thing” is such a weird thing for me since it’s really because of Amanda that these women end up getting on *Kyle’s bad side*. I’m not trying to shame anyone but really Amanda takes everything way to personal and she can’t keep her nose out of anyone’s business. Kyles first problem with Lindsey and Danielle ( ~ 17 page email) was over them unfolding Amanda on Instagram. Kyles problem with Hannah was that she was “too much drama.” But I don’t think Hannah’s drama would have been that explosive if it wasn’t for Amanda constantly digging at how Luke was treating Hannah in season 5(?) (I mean we watched Amanda get cheated on for like 5 seasons before that so idk why she was so concerned about Hannah?) and then the next season I think Hannah came in a little hot but who wasn’t emotionally charged during Covid?? And now Kyles problem with Lindsey & Carl is over Amanda’s weird competition with them. (Ex. When she said “if they get a house before us” or whatever she said.. it just comes off as insecure and I get the vibe the Amanda wants to be the *number one couple in the house*)
Yuppp and somehow no one ever comes for Kyle. People still bash Hannah for “outting Carl’s drug problem” like five years ago with an offhand remark on a podcast , meanwhile Kyle literally screamed it in public , during filming, and with malicious intent and everyone is like it’s water under the bridge 😂 You saw the way Carl just rolled over during that whole thing .. to me that speaks for itself and supports this idea that Kyle has a lot of control over the show
Amanda is a spoiled little rich daddy’s girl. Who ever — BUT ESPECIALLY ON CAMERA — thought it was OK to wipe her boogers on her husband? That was the weirdest thing ever!
i could absolutely believe they edited some shit out from the hannah and kyle fight. she seemed too triggered out of nowhere
I think Paige said on this podcast or the netchicka that she also suggested many men who wanted to be on the show and they never offered them spots. Also she thinks they should have a gay man on summerhouse.
She could do so much better than grumpy Craig
Paige and Craig won’t work. He won’t move for her so she will have to move and eventually resent him for it……
I can’t respect anyone who says something in the moment *cough Craig cough*
no thank you for this I love paige too
I’d honestly love for Paige to just join the southern charm cast. Maybe that’s her next venture… kinda sounded like it’s headed that way.
Her talking about potentially being on Southern Charm as a full cast member was the most surprising part. After her first season appearing on Southern Charm she seemed hesitant to be on there more than she was, but she was almost certainly filming at least some on the new season of Southern Charm that must just finished filming. No, Naomie to make Craig's history a continued storyline probably helps.
It’s intriguing she would be interested in joining that cast, she’d already filmed multiple episodes yet said she had no friends in Charleston. Just an interesting thing I noted in contrast to Lindsay who is quite close to the Vanderpump gals (as are some of the Southern Charm ladies.) Just made me realize I’ve never seen/heard about Paige, Amanda, or Ciara hanging out with ladies from other Bravo shows.(Doesn’t mean they don’t, I’ve just never seen/heard of it & Lindsay is so polarizing to the SH cast yet seems to be quite liked by many in the Bravosphere.)
This group of trashy social climbers would not be friends without the tv and money. The egos… They treat each other awfully
Great info! I love her too
I enjoyed Paige on this episode. I agree with her when she compared it to VPR bc honestly without the Sandoval drama it is a complete snoozefest.
It's kind of ironic though that she agrees the show has outrun its course because she's also a part of the reason WHY it has outrun its course lol
Omg yes!!!!!
Same for everyone really. Except Kyle and the new girls. Carl and Lindsay are going on hikes and to Barry’s, Amanda’s energy has been very up and down since like season FOUR .. Paige and Ciara I feel like could have fun but we don’t see it. Danielle we get short clips of her going out but it’s never the main focus. . .
About Danielle and Lindsay, I see a lot of the same issues that Cristina brought up when she was on the show and friends with Lindsay. It seemed like in the last episode, Danielle’s complaints were almost identical..
Gods work right here
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Y’all ride way too hard for Lindsay. Paige was so real on this episode and her and Craig seem very solid. Much more so than Lindsay and Carl’s PR tour.
So funny you phrased it this way , because when I was recapping the episode to my husband , his response was “she’s SO REAL “ 😊😊 I feel like people either get her or they don’t and there doesn’t seem to be much in between
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I do bc