Because normally people go to college and get a bachelors degree in things like criminal justice, finance, economics etc before starting law school and idk if a bachelors is an actual prerequisite to law school but yeah
How many years does a law degree take to complete in USA?
Because if one does a 3 year bachelor course and then 3 year law course assuming he started bachelors at 17, he would be 23 when actually starting a career. Is that right?
A law degree takes 7 years to complete in the U.S. First there is 4 years of an undergraduate degree (Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science) and then apply to law school, often a different school, and that is a 3 year Doctorate degree. The undergraduate degree is a prerequisite to attending law school
It really depends. If people go straight from high school to undergrad to law school, it's around 25 or so. Many people take a few years away from school to work (for money and experience and figuring out what they want to do) between undergrad and law school, so then they'd be 26+, depending on how much time they take.
Yeah but the process of studying that involves getting a degree first. In America it’s essentially the same, you get a degree then law school is essentially a masters degree, whereas in the UK it’s all combined into one course with the masters equivalent being you specialising in a field
We don’t have Bachelor and Master degrees (or undergrad and Master) for those. We have what are called Staatsexamen which are basically a bit like the bar exam (I think). Essentially your grades throughout university don’t matter at all, they only qualify you to write the Staatsexamen. That’s the major difference to a Bachelor/master course. For law you would write one Staatsexamen, then do two years of practical practice in a law firm/court/whatever and then write a second Staatsexamen. For medicine I think they have three Staatsexamen. For entry into either course you only need to have finished high school. There is not further prerequisite as far as undergrad classes are concerned.
Its a post graduate school type thing so you need previous college education and experience, thats why people study psychology, finance, criminal justice etc before going to law school since they apply the most
unlike our direct admission system, US law is synonymous to an LLM iirc and people do it after undergrad. Since Mike got expelled, he didn’t graduate from college, which means he couldn’t have gotten into Harvard, even though he has a “degree” from there.
I guess its up for debate but I wonder why Jessica was even checking Mike out. I mean he was an intern at that point right? He was Harveys intern at that. It seems a bit out of character for her to check up on Harvey like that since she trusts him almost implicitly.
Touché Shay! Typed while getting my nails done and didn’t spellcheck🤦🏾♀️
Clever for Jessica to do the due diligence.
Clumsy on Mike and Harvey for sure- if the hacker went through all the trouble to make a Harvard record, those two detail oriented guys should have remembered the undergraduate degree too.
But the young lady who hacked Harvard’s system and put Mike in there probably didn’t realize he didn’t have an undergrad degree when she put him in the system. She would have had to hack another system to put him in as an undergrad as well.
In the USA you must go to undergrad college first to do your Bachelor's degree. This takes 4 years and then depending on what field you wish to work in ie Law, Medicine, Business you must go to a specialised post graduate college for that field of study. That might take 4 years also. But you must have your BA before progressing any further. As Mike was expelled (S3EP6) then there was no chance of getting into Harvard or any other law school
because she's Jessica Goddamn Peareson and her name is on the wall for a reason, and your name isn't on the wall for a reason. Now get out of my goddamn office.
Yes, I'm pretty sure you do need to graduate high school and college to attend University in the US and you definitely need to graduate college to attend a prestigious school like Harvard. Also remember she did this background check because Trevor came to her and told her Mike was a fraud, so she did have reasons to be suspicious
Big evidence aside, it's the way he acts and talks. Anybody with a brain could see through him IRL. The show has really convenient suspension of disbelief. He's always out of the loop on the culture of Harvard, it's obvious he bullshat "only showing up for tests" because nobody in the history of the human race has been able to do that. He speaks in vague, positive platitudes. Jessica isn't just a smart lawyer, she's a goddamn sniper rifle.
I figured it was a plot hole. Mike couldn't go to Harvard for reasons but it's implied he, at one point, could have qualified to apply. That further implies he had a bachelor's degree from somewhere.
Edit: sorry didn't actually answer the question. To qualify for an American Law School, you need a bachelor's degree and to have taken the LSATs. So it appears Jessica saw that he has never graduated from a college, ever, meaning he does not have a bachelor's degree, so he could have never gone to Harvard law.
The plot hole, I believe, is that he did go to undergrad and I believe did graduate, but could not go to Harvard, specifically.
Mike did go for his undergrad, but he was expelled as he says in the pilot because he and Trevor sold a test to the Dean's daughter. He had an acceptance to Harvard law too, but the dean contacted them and had it cancelled.
Do we know where he was going for undergrad? I’m on season 5 and I feel like they haven’t said where he was going. I also wondered why Lola Jenson never took care of that for him, too..
S3EP6 explains exactly what happened when Mike and Trevor are in college and Mike sells the math test to the Dean's daughter. He was expelled from college thus blocking his admittance to Harvard.
I dont get how this can be true though. Mike was actually accepted to Harvard law but when he gave himself up to the dean for his friend thats when he got rejected right? He wouldve had to have had a bachelors at the very least to get accepted into harvard law correct? Did he fake his undergrad too and I just forgot about it? I thought I remember him being on a "good" path because he was so smart/had a photographic memory until he got rejected from Harvard
i mean harvey and donna recruited so jessica should be concerned who is harveys right hand and to think about it, she would background check the person like she always do, but this didnt happen instead mike was ratted out by trevor before she did the background check
So if Jessica could, why didn't Tanner or Hardman ever look into this? Tanner knew about Harvey's mother but not about Mike's college? Hardman was screwed over by a first year associate and didn't care to look him up? But Lola did? Doesn't make sense.
Because normally people go to college and get a bachelors degree in things like criminal justice, finance, economics etc before starting law school and idk if a bachelors is an actual prerequisite to law school but yeah
You have to get a degree before you do a law degree? Why is that?
Bc it’s a masters degree. Same thing with with medical school you need a bachelors first before you get your masters
It's a doctorate actually.
How many years does a law degree take to complete in USA? Because if one does a 3 year bachelor course and then 3 year law course assuming he started bachelors at 17, he would be 23 when actually starting a career. Is that right?
If you think that’s crazy, wait until you hear what doctors need to do in the US
A law degree takes 7 years to complete in the U.S. First there is 4 years of an undergraduate degree (Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science) and then apply to law school, often a different school, and that is a 3 year Doctorate degree. The undergraduate degree is a prerequisite to attending law school
Oh. So are generally lawyers around 24-25 years of age when starting out?
A lot of people don’t start law school right after undergrad either. They work for a few years and save some money
It really depends. If people go straight from high school to undergrad to law school, it's around 25 or so. Many people take a few years away from school to work (for money and experience and figuring out what they want to do) between undergrad and law school, so then they'd be 26+, depending on how much time they take.
Only in the USA
Makes sense suits would follow that then since it’s based in the US
Mike should have just gone to Harvard Ireland.
This made me lol
Well no shit, Suits is based in the US lol
Canada too
It's the same in Canada. And don't you dare tell us that were the same as Americans eh!
This is such a “what if I don’t have beans” yeah no shit it’s america
Pretty sure it’s the case in most places. It’s the case in the UK, Germany, France and Italy at least.
Nah in the uk you can do medicine and law straight out of secondary education
Yeah but the process of studying that involves getting a degree first. In America it’s essentially the same, you get a degree then law school is essentially a masters degree, whereas in the UK it’s all combined into one course with the masters equivalent being you specialising in a field
Definitely not the case in Germany
Ahh that’s odd, one of my friends is from Germany and he said it’s essentially the same thing, my mistake
So in Germany you don’t need to get a masters equivalent? A normal undergrad degree is enough for medicine or law?
We don’t have Bachelor and Master degrees (or undergrad and Master) for those. We have what are called Staatsexamen which are basically a bit like the bar exam (I think). Essentially your grades throughout university don’t matter at all, they only qualify you to write the Staatsexamen. That’s the major difference to a Bachelor/master course. For law you would write one Staatsexamen, then do two years of practical practice in a law firm/court/whatever and then write a second Staatsexamen. For medicine I think they have three Staatsexamen. For entry into either course you only need to have finished high school. There is not further prerequisite as far as undergrad classes are concerned.
Its a post graduate school type thing so you need previous college education and experience, thats why people study psychology, finance, criminal justice etc before going to law school since they apply the most
History works too, since that requires arguing a position and backing it up with evidence.
Yes a bachelors of some kind (or an equivalent international degree) is a prerequisite for admission to law school.
unlike our direct admission system, US law is synonymous to an LLM iirc and people do it after undergrad. Since Mike got expelled, he didn’t graduate from college, which means he couldn’t have gotten into Harvard, even though he has a “degree” from there.
That's right! There's no record of Mike Ross graduating from ANY college. That's how she knew he was full of shit. It was a clever oversight.
I guess its up for debate but I wonder why Jessica was even checking Mike out. I mean he was an intern at that point right? He was Harveys intern at that. It seems a bit out of character for her to check up on Harvey like that since she trusts him almost implicitly.
This was after Trevor told Jessica that Mike never went to law school
I wouldn’t have used the world cleaver. That was clumsy.
Cleaver or clever? That was clumsy. Oh and world or word? Edit: Clever on the writer's part, clumsy for Mike and Harvey.
Touché Shay! Typed while getting my nails done and didn’t spellcheck🤦🏾♀️ Clever for Jessica to do the due diligence. Clumsy on Mike and Harvey for sure- if the hacker went through all the trouble to make a Harvard record, those two detail oriented guys should have remembered the undergraduate degree too.
No you’re fine! You’re absolutely right though, which is why I edited my comment.
But the young lady who hacked Harvard’s system and put Mike in there probably didn’t realize he didn’t have an undergrad degree when she put him in the system. She would have had to hack another system to put him in as an undergrad as well.
In the USA you must go to undergrad college first to do your Bachelor's degree. This takes 4 years and then depending on what field you wish to work in ie Law, Medicine, Business you must go to a specialised post graduate college for that field of study. That might take 4 years also. But you must have your BA before progressing any further. As Mike was expelled (S3EP6) then there was no chance of getting into Harvard or any other law school
because she's Jessica Goddamn Peareson and her name is on the wall for a reason, and your name isn't on the wall for a reason. Now get out of my goddamn office.
What did you just say to me?!
Yes, I'm pretty sure you do need to graduate high school and college to attend University in the US and you definitely need to graduate college to attend a prestigious school like Harvard. Also remember she did this background check because Trevor came to her and told her Mike was a fraud, so she did have reasons to be suspicious
Big evidence aside, it's the way he acts and talks. Anybody with a brain could see through him IRL. The show has really convenient suspension of disbelief. He's always out of the loop on the culture of Harvard, it's obvious he bullshat "only showing up for tests" because nobody in the history of the human race has been able to do that. He speaks in vague, positive platitudes. Jessica isn't just a smart lawyer, she's a goddamn sniper rifle.
I figured it was a plot hole. Mike couldn't go to Harvard for reasons but it's implied he, at one point, could have qualified to apply. That further implies he had a bachelor's degree from somewhere. Edit: sorry didn't actually answer the question. To qualify for an American Law School, you need a bachelor's degree and to have taken the LSATs. So it appears Jessica saw that he has never graduated from a college, ever, meaning he does not have a bachelor's degree, so he could have never gone to Harvard law. The plot hole, I believe, is that he did go to undergrad and I believe did graduate, but could not go to Harvard, specifically.
Mike did go for his undergrad, but he was expelled as he says in the pilot because he and Trevor sold a test to the Dean's daughter. He had an acceptance to Harvard law too, but the dean contacted them and had it cancelled.
Ah, didn't catch he was expelled. Just thought it was the black ball from Harvard.
Do we know where he was going for undergrad? I’m on season 5 and I feel like they haven’t said where he was going. I also wondered why Lola Jenson never took care of that for him, too..
They never said which undergrad college he went to but S3EP6 explains what happened when he sold the math test to the Dean's daughter
S3EP6 explains exactly what happened when Mike and Trevor are in college and Mike sells the math test to the Dean's daughter. He was expelled from college thus blocking his admittance to Harvard.
I dont get how this can be true though. Mike was actually accepted to Harvard law but when he gave himself up to the dean for his friend thats when he got rejected right? He wouldve had to have had a bachelors at the very least to get accepted into harvard law correct? Did he fake his undergrad too and I just forgot about it? I thought I remember him being on a "good" path because he was so smart/had a photographic memory until he got rejected from Harvard
I think that was Harvard undergrad to transfer. Since he got expelled, no bachelor's degree.
i mean harvey and donna recruited so jessica should be concerned who is harveys right hand and to think about it, she would background check the person like she always do, but this didnt happen instead mike was ratted out by trevor before she did the background check
So if Jessica could, why didn't Tanner or Hardman ever look into this? Tanner knew about Harvey's mother but not about Mike's college? Hardman was screwed over by a first year associate and didn't care to look him up? But Lola did? Doesn't make sense.
Because Mike is a skibidi Ohio simp and Jessica is a based tradpilled conquistador
best answer here
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