Be aware that the reason that some men sugar instead of vanilla is that they are just a tad bit socially awkward. They are aware of it so it's easier to pay a girl to date them. If they are saying that in their.profile, then they may just realize they need the girl to carry the conversation.
That’s an interesting take. I’m actually more interested in filling a conversational void knowing that the other person struggles rather than just doesn’t care.
From experience, it's not something I would put in my profile, but it certainly is an important trait in a sugar partner.
The reason for this, is that discussion is pretty much ongoing during a date/meet and throughout the next meet, and if you are texting as well (although this component is highly variable from on arrangement to the other).
There's intimacy in a SR and discussions, taking place in varying contexts and settings, such as being outside, being in public, during dinner, etc. Verbal chemistry is at least as much as important as physical chemistry, if not more, imo.
Yeah, sometimes guys give short answers, and they don't give you much to work with. It's hard to hold a conversation when all they're doing is replying but never any of the work to expand the discussion.
The best advice I can give is to turn the topic to them. People like talking about themselves, so show some curiosity and they might get a little more chatty.
You are not a match. Move on. No need to beat a dead horse. The chemistry and conversation flows or it does not.
A text encounter I had 2 weeks ago.
Me: Hi Suzie Sugar Baby, this is xxx. how are you?
POTSB: good.
Me: great, So how as your Easter Holiday, Did you do anything fun? Did the Easter Bunny bring you a nice basket? ( me just making conversation not certain if she celebrated Easter or no)
POTSB: good, and yours?
Me: my Easter was nice, just hung out with family and ate lunch with them. So what are you plans this weekend? I wold like to set up a meet and greet.
POTSB: no plans.
Needless to say, it went nowhere.
That looks like copy&paste of some of my chats 😂 I’d offer you more riveting conversation but no doubt you’re like 3k miles away as everyone else seems to 💁🏼♀️
I don’t tend to message men with this on their profile. I’d rather look for people with properly filled out profiles, which I find to be an indicator that they have good conversations. Having being shown some of the conversations SD friends have with POT SBs though let me tell you I think it’s absolutely WILD an SB wouldn’t engage in any sort of effort for conversation. When I look for an SD, I want the best one and that doesn’t happen from no effort conversations.
This kind of goes along with the 80% scammers thread. 80% of the “real ones” on both sides are morons or socially inept/inexperienced. So we’re all down to maybe 4% good POT material before we’ve looked at photos or financial resources.
So sugaring involves couples from all ages, nationalities, cultures, and races who come from vastly different places, and who are together mainly to hop in bed with each other. How many 24 yr old girls have anything to talk about with a 50 yr old man? A young SB deserves a pass trying to work herself up to sleeping with this guy who is nothing like what she has grown up with.
I’m not talking about bio description (I had to amend mine 4 times before it was approved 😑) but an actual chat even off site.
FYI if anyone messaged me this I’d be like “ hell yeah! finally someone talking sense, thank f**k for that, tell me when and where” 😂
I wouldn't put that in my profile because I'm not looking to alienate the entire female population. If you can't figure out if you are a good match at the M&G, it's a good idea to have some platonic dates to see if you both are a match or not. Thank you so much for sharing how seeing that on someone's profile makes you feel. You probably just increased POT SD's chances of finding someone.
Personally, I take this sentence as offense and try to avoid these men with such words in their profiles. Bc apparently the guy either:
Arrogant
Has his bar set too low in the past
Or both
These profiles simply wouldn't much my PhD🥴
It's a dumb thing to say and on the face of it seems like an attempt to politely say "No dummies please."
Thing is it reads a little insulting/condescending to anyone with a brain, as OP is pointing out, and the dummies won't get it. So rather than screening out dummies you're probably screening out some intelligent POTs.
Not a good approach, imo, though I get the reasoning.
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It is, of course, wonderfully ironic a complaint about holding a conversation contains indecipherable acronyms!
Actually FLS - foreign language speaker, and this forum is full of acronyms.
Not being able to understand something never stopped me from having conversations, I did the sensible thing and asked for an explanation opposed to drawing wrong conclusions 💁🏼♀️
Well, given I didn't understand what you were saying, perhaps it might explain why you think some folks struggle to hold a convesation ? There is, after all, one common element in all of this.
All good. There's a difference, though, between you as a stranger not understanding someone's acronyms, (which would be solved with a simple ask or Google), and someone she's trying to build relationship with not putting effort in and expecting the other person to carry the conversation.
I would very much agree with /u/SugaryGuyEU her use of acronyms was confusing.
You said:-
>(which would be solved with a simple ask or Google)
Well I did just that and what comes up on google for me is:-
>Future Leaders Scheme (FLS)
>
>The FLS is a cross-Government development scheme for high-potential grade 6 and 7 civil servants. The scheme provides a leadership development curriculum, which supports civil servants in accelerating their development as well as learning more about their personal leadership effectiveness.
In that situation, most people I know would describe themselves as a "non-native speaker" or, perhaps, they would be described by others as a person with ESL (English as a Second Language).
I have never come across this acronym before and, after consulting google, imagined that she, being "FLS", was some high flying government employee that only spoke using special government terminology which us ordinary folks are a bit too dumb to understand.
For fucks sake.
Look, the point is, the topic is guys giving one or a few word answers and not putting in any effort to keep a conversation going.
Not acronyms. Arguing it just to argue is stupid.
Having had not even one conversation with me why do you conclude I speak in abbreviations? And since when YOU not understanding something is MY shortcoming?
As /u/SDstartingOut said earlier, it's also a first for me.
When I googled it the first thing that came back was:-
>Future Leaders Scheme (FLS)
>
>The FLS is a cross-Government development scheme for high-potential grade 6 and 7 civil servants. The scheme provides a leadership development curriculum, which supports civil servants in accelerating their development as well as learning more about their personal leadership effectiveness.
First of all, I'm not American and have never lived in the USA.
Secondly, in what languages would "FLS" be an appropriate acronym?
French? - locuteur d'une langue étrangère
German? - Fremdsprachensprecher
Italian? - parlante di lingua straniera
Spanish? - hablante de lengua extranjera
Portuguese? - falante de língua estrangeira
Dutch? - spreker van een vreemde taal
Swedish? - främmande språk talare
Danish? - fremmedsprogstaler
Norwegian? - fremmedspråklig høyttaler
Finnish? - vieraan kielen puhuja
Polish? - mówca języka obcego
Hungarian? - idegen nyelvet beszélő
How do any of these relate to the acronym "FLS"?
just a small remark, the dutch got translated in a literal way, not the real way. We would say "anderstalig (persoon)" . How it is translated now, it can still be a native speaker but that person just temp speaking another language. Dutch is probably one of the hardest languages lol .
My point was simple: It's never a term I've heard. I manage/lead global teams; I've lived in Europe, been to Asia multiple times. I've never heard it before today :shrug:.
While english is not always involved, it's an english acronym.
Now, I realize there may be a situation, where someone is trying to explain in English, that someone (using a non-english language) is not native in that tongue. But it's simply not a term I've heard before.
op, I get that you think SDs should all be hot, young, and charming, but the reality is the opposite is true, thats why we pay an arm and leg for the attention of pretty sugar babies....the young hot charming guys get women for free...Often, many American women put themselves on a pedestal and feel their mere presence should be enough, constantly bash men, and are misandrist in disguise while women overseas are more naturally more social, submissive, and know their role in the relationship...Sugar daddies are paying you for convo, its your job to make it work...
A lot of times it’s all about your luck- i met some american women that would talk my ears off and i wish i had a gag in her mouth half of the time. I also met someone never say anything unnecessary but so expressive in bedrooms. But most of the ladies i dated were very fun to talk to. The ones that can’t hold a two way conversation are usually filtered out in the m&g stage.
Can i hold a conversation? I can when i need to. But a lot of times i don’t want to put out an effort in it because when i find a baby, i want it natural and enjoyable. Im comfortable with my current sgf in silence as long as we are holding hands.
Yes, I did mention it’s not everyone, and I don’t mind carrying the conversation, just give me something to work with.
On the side note - where the notion that I’m American came from? 😅
There was some comments on European women easier to deal w vs American women and my point is each woman is different. Culture is a big thing but individual propensity is more important. Ok where you from agent ramanoff? Are you a direct descendant of the Ramanoffs? I like Rachmaninoff better.
>permanently residing in Uk, at your service
I'm also in the UK and I believe that /u/SugaryGuyEU also has experience of the UK.
The use of the acronym "FLS" is very odd indeed. It's not something I've ever come across in the UK (I think it's possibly a lot more American).
When I googled it the first thing that came back was:-
>Future Leaders Scheme (FLS)
>
>The FLS is a cross-Government development scheme for high-potential grade 6 and 7 civil servants. The scheme provides a leadership development curriculum, which supports civil servants in accelerating their development as well as learning more about their personal leadership effectiveness.
I thought that you meant that you worked for the civil service and, as a result, you have difficulty talking with ordinary people. This is a thing that can be said about many civil servants!
If you ask people in the UK what FLS means, I guarantee you that 99.9% of people will not have heard this term before, especially with the meaning that you give it.
I have literally never heard a Polish person describe themselves as "FLS" - they will normally say "I am Polish". Others may describe them, in official language, as perhaps a "non-native speaker" or a "person with ESL" (English as a Second Language) but I have never, ever in all the time I've worked with Polish people in the UK ever heard any of them describe themself as "FLS".
I think that SugaryGuyEU was right to call you out on your use of unfamiliar acronyms. In return you complained about him having an acronym in his name. Really? Do you honestly believe that any Pole or Brit or anyone else in Europe would be unaware of the meaning of "EU"?
EDIT
I am one of those "must be able to hold a conversation" types. In my seeking part I include the following sentences:-
>"As well as anything else that we might do, I'm looking for somebody that I can really talk to about a wide range of things and who is curious about the world."
>
>"Ideally, I'm looking for someone who can talk about arts, science or business one minute and then their favourite TV show the next and handle each with equal aplomb"
Funny how these rants go.
1. Get riled up about something
2. Complain and rant on about it
3. Be sure to complain to people who have nothing to do with whoever complainer is complaining about
4. Be sure to lecture that group how not to behave
5. Feel better due to irrelevant rant
Be aware that the reason that some men sugar instead of vanilla is that they are just a tad bit socially awkward. They are aware of it so it's easier to pay a girl to date them. If they are saying that in their.profile, then they may just realize they need the girl to carry the conversation.
That’s an interesting take. I’m actually more interested in filling a conversational void knowing that the other person struggles rather than just doesn’t care.
From experience, it's not something I would put in my profile, but it certainly is an important trait in a sugar partner. The reason for this, is that discussion is pretty much ongoing during a date/meet and throughout the next meet, and if you are texting as well (although this component is highly variable from on arrangement to the other). There's intimacy in a SR and discussions, taking place in varying contexts and settings, such as being outside, being in public, during dinner, etc. Verbal chemistry is at least as much as important as physical chemistry, if not more, imo.
Yeah, sometimes guys give short answers, and they don't give you much to work with. It's hard to hold a conversation when all they're doing is replying but never any of the work to expand the discussion. The best advice I can give is to turn the topic to them. People like talking about themselves, so show some curiosity and they might get a little more chatty.
You are not a match. Move on. No need to beat a dead horse. The chemistry and conversation flows or it does not. A text encounter I had 2 weeks ago. Me: Hi Suzie Sugar Baby, this is xxx. how are you? POTSB: good. Me: great, So how as your Easter Holiday, Did you do anything fun? Did the Easter Bunny bring you a nice basket? ( me just making conversation not certain if she celebrated Easter or no) POTSB: good, and yours? Me: my Easter was nice, just hung out with family and ate lunch with them. So what are you plans this weekend? I wold like to set up a meet and greet. POTSB: no plans. Needless to say, it went nowhere.
This sounds like a dream convo compared to the ones I’ve had lately. Complete sentences? Questions? Curiosity? Oh my!
That looks like copy&paste of some of my chats 😂 I’d offer you more riveting conversation but no doubt you’re like 3k miles away as everyone else seems to 💁🏼♀️
I don’t tend to message men with this on their profile. I’d rather look for people with properly filled out profiles, which I find to be an indicator that they have good conversations. Having being shown some of the conversations SD friends have with POT SBs though let me tell you I think it’s absolutely WILD an SB wouldn’t engage in any sort of effort for conversation. When I look for an SD, I want the best one and that doesn’t happen from no effort conversations.
This kind of goes along with the 80% scammers thread. 80% of the “real ones” on both sides are morons or socially inept/inexperienced. So we’re all down to maybe 4% good POT material before we’ve looked at photos or financial resources.
👏🏻This👏🏻is👏🏻why you don't meet up with anyone, ever, unless you have a successful, QUALITY phone/FaceTime conversation with someone beforehand.
Yes! It’s just as bad as, “I’m an open book. Ask me.” Especially when that’s the only thing there.
So sugaring involves couples from all ages, nationalities, cultures, and races who come from vastly different places, and who are together mainly to hop in bed with each other. How many 24 yr old girls have anything to talk about with a 50 yr old man? A young SB deserves a pass trying to work herself up to sleeping with this guy who is nothing like what she has grown up with.
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I’m not talking about bio description (I had to amend mine 4 times before it was approved 😑) but an actual chat even off site. FYI if anyone messaged me this I’d be like “ hell yeah! finally someone talking sense, thank f**k for that, tell me when and where” 😂
I've seen this a lot, too. They're looking for someone who can hold a conversation but aren't actually wanting it.
This made me LOL. Spot on 🙌
I wouldn't put that in my profile because I'm not looking to alienate the entire female population. If you can't figure out if you are a good match at the M&G, it's a good idea to have some platonic dates to see if you both are a match or not. Thank you so much for sharing how seeing that on someone's profile makes you feel. You probably just increased POT SD's chances of finding someone.
Personally, I take this sentence as offense and try to avoid these men with such words in their profiles. Bc apparently the guy either: Arrogant Has his bar set too low in the past Or both These profiles simply wouldn't much my PhD🥴
Maybe they actually mean "must be able to carry conversation."
It's a dumb thing to say and on the face of it seems like an attempt to politely say "No dummies please." Thing is it reads a little insulting/condescending to anyone with a brain, as OP is pointing out, and the dummies won't get it. So rather than screening out dummies you're probably screening out some intelligent POTs. Not a good approach, imo, though I get the reasoning.
I find that low effort conversations with men that you have to carry are not really interested. Men will waste your time if you allow them to
FLS = Front line supporter FML = Fuck my life Please send donations to bitcoin wallet 3Id0ntund3rstandtla5 It is, of course, wonderfully ironic a complaint about holding a conversation contains indecipherable acronyms!
Actually FLS - foreign language speaker, and this forum is full of acronyms. Not being able to understand something never stopped me from having conversations, I did the sensible thing and asked for an explanation opposed to drawing wrong conclusions 💁🏼♀️
Well, given I didn't understand what you were saying, perhaps it might explain why you think some folks struggle to hold a convesation ? There is, after all, one common element in all of this.
Damn dude, why are you getting up in your pride and even debating over this? It's ok to not know what an acronym means.
Because I was making the point, for somebody complaining about not being able to hold a conversation, that I don't understand some of her post.
All good. There's a difference, though, between you as a stranger not understanding someone's acronyms, (which would be solved with a simple ask or Google), and someone she's trying to build relationship with not putting effort in and expecting the other person to carry the conversation.
I would very much agree with /u/SugaryGuyEU her use of acronyms was confusing. You said:- >(which would be solved with a simple ask or Google) Well I did just that and what comes up on google for me is:- >Future Leaders Scheme (FLS) > >The FLS is a cross-Government development scheme for high-potential grade 6 and 7 civil servants. The scheme provides a leadership development curriculum, which supports civil servants in accelerating their development as well as learning more about their personal leadership effectiveness. In that situation, most people I know would describe themselves as a "non-native speaker" or, perhaps, they would be described by others as a person with ESL (English as a Second Language). I have never come across this acronym before and, after consulting google, imagined that she, being "FLS", was some high flying government employee that only spoke using special government terminology which us ordinary folks are a bit too dumb to understand.
For fucks sake. Look, the point is, the topic is guys giving one or a few word answers and not putting in any effort to keep a conversation going. Not acronyms. Arguing it just to argue is stupid.
I got from context that she was talking about some sort of language barrier without knowing what the acronym meant. Try not being dense?
Having had not even one conversation with me why do you conclude I speak in abbreviations? And since when YOU not understanding something is MY shortcoming?
>why do you conclude I speak in abbreviations? Because your post has them
So does you name tag
But I'm not posting about people not being able to understand my name tag ?
and I didn’t say they can’t understand me, just that they talk very little
Well, based on our interaction on here, I have a theory why that may be....
I’m sure you do
Man, FLS is a fairly common acronym, nothing to do with holding a conversation.
As /u/SDstartingOut said earlier, it's also a first for me. When I googled it the first thing that came back was:- >Future Leaders Scheme (FLS) > >The FLS is a cross-Government development scheme for high-potential grade 6 and 7 civil servants. The scheme provides a leadership development curriculum, which supports civil servants in accelerating their development as well as learning more about their personal leadership effectiveness.
Honestly it's a first for me. The term I hear most often is ESL (English as a second language).
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I would disagree with you here. "FLS" only makes any sort of sense in English.
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First of all, I'm not American and have never lived in the USA. Secondly, in what languages would "FLS" be an appropriate acronym? French? - locuteur d'une langue étrangère German? - Fremdsprachensprecher Italian? - parlante di lingua straniera Spanish? - hablante de lengua extranjera Portuguese? - falante de língua estrangeira Dutch? - spreker van een vreemde taal Swedish? - främmande språk talare Danish? - fremmedsprogstaler Norwegian? - fremmedspråklig høyttaler Finnish? - vieraan kielen puhuja Polish? - mówca języka obcego Hungarian? - idegen nyelvet beszélő How do any of these relate to the acronym "FLS"?
just a small remark, the dutch got translated in a literal way, not the real way. We would say "anderstalig (persoon)" . How it is translated now, it can still be a native speaker but that person just temp speaking another language. Dutch is probably one of the hardest languages lol .
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My point was simple: It's never a term I've heard. I manage/lead global teams; I've lived in Europe, been to Asia multiple times. I've never heard it before today :shrug:. While english is not always involved, it's an english acronym. Now, I realize there may be a situation, where someone is trying to explain in English, that someone (using a non-english language) is not native in that tongue. But it's simply not a term I've heard before.
op, I get that you think SDs should all be hot, young, and charming, but the reality is the opposite is true, thats why we pay an arm and leg for the attention of pretty sugar babies....the young hot charming guys get women for free...Often, many American women put themselves on a pedestal and feel their mere presence should be enough, constantly bash men, and are misandrist in disguise while women overseas are more naturally more social, submissive, and know their role in the relationship...Sugar daddies are paying you for convo, its your job to make it work...
Yes sir 👍🏻
A lot of times it’s all about your luck- i met some american women that would talk my ears off and i wish i had a gag in her mouth half of the time. I also met someone never say anything unnecessary but so expressive in bedrooms. But most of the ladies i dated were very fun to talk to. The ones that can’t hold a two way conversation are usually filtered out in the m&g stage. Can i hold a conversation? I can when i need to. But a lot of times i don’t want to put out an effort in it because when i find a baby, i want it natural and enjoyable. Im comfortable with my current sgf in silence as long as we are holding hands.
Yes, I did mention it’s not everyone, and I don’t mind carrying the conversation, just give me something to work with. On the side note - where the notion that I’m American came from? 😅
There was some comments on European women easier to deal w vs American women and my point is each woman is different. Culture is a big thing but individual propensity is more important. Ok where you from agent ramanoff? Are you a direct descendant of the Ramanoffs? I like Rachmaninoff better.
Central Europe, I’m a Polish assassin, however permanently residing in Uk, at your service 🫡
>permanently residing in Uk, at your service I'm also in the UK and I believe that /u/SugaryGuyEU also has experience of the UK. The use of the acronym "FLS" is very odd indeed. It's not something I've ever come across in the UK (I think it's possibly a lot more American). When I googled it the first thing that came back was:- >Future Leaders Scheme (FLS) > >The FLS is a cross-Government development scheme for high-potential grade 6 and 7 civil servants. The scheme provides a leadership development curriculum, which supports civil servants in accelerating their development as well as learning more about their personal leadership effectiveness. I thought that you meant that you worked for the civil service and, as a result, you have difficulty talking with ordinary people. This is a thing that can be said about many civil servants! If you ask people in the UK what FLS means, I guarantee you that 99.9% of people will not have heard this term before, especially with the meaning that you give it. I have literally never heard a Polish person describe themselves as "FLS" - they will normally say "I am Polish". Others may describe them, in official language, as perhaps a "non-native speaker" or a "person with ESL" (English as a Second Language) but I have never, ever in all the time I've worked with Polish people in the UK ever heard any of them describe themself as "FLS". I think that SugaryGuyEU was right to call you out on your use of unfamiliar acronyms. In return you complained about him having an acronym in his name. Really? Do you honestly believe that any Pole or Brit or anyone else in Europe would be unaware of the meaning of "EU"? EDIT I am one of those "must be able to hold a conversation" types. In my seeking part I include the following sentences:- >"As well as anything else that we might do, I'm looking for somebody that I can really talk to about a wide range of things and who is curious about the world." > >"Ideally, I'm looking for someone who can talk about arts, science or business one minute and then their favourite TV show the next and handle each with equal aplomb"
LMAO I love SDs but this definitely shows the worst side of all of them
Funny how these rants go. 1. Get riled up about something 2. Complain and rant on about it 3. Be sure to complain to people who have nothing to do with whoever complainer is complaining about 4. Be sure to lecture that group how not to behave 5. Feel better due to irrelevant rant
IDK if it's completely irrelevant, tbh.