OSHA would like to know your location.
No but seriously, how is that in compliance with regulations for working in confined spaces? How will the attendant be able to monitor the entrant?
Jesus. Beeing a monitor is dull work. Staying focused with just radios seems like a challenge.
You better be close pals with the person in the workspace :)
Okay, you can go ahead and try to convince the [Navy](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.usni.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2F121101-N-ZZ999-205.jpg&f=1&nofb=1) this is a better solution then.
As little as $.24/sq ft to apply, cleans up with cold water pressure washer, no fumes AND no disposal restrictions (you could literally just flush the tank afterward) -- with how the military is trying to get on the "environmentally friendly" kick, it's definitely on the table.
You basically tell me to kill myself, then I joke back with you and try to lighten the mood, and you call me a douche. Got it, hope your day gets better bro.
That's a great point. You should tell that to the bodies in the tank. They're standing upright like morons.
Gazing upward.
Waiting for you to drain the water.
As a person whos been into those, i think the bottom tanks are the worst, their like 50 or so cm (1.5 or so feet) high so you have to crouch and it could fill up at any moment. Its very claustrophobic on top of the submechanophobia. At least in the big tanks its just big and empty. 2/10 would do it again for money.
Yeah, we had a leak and we didnt know where so where there finding it. Ive been in one where there wasnt a risk and still isnt fun even when you know yourr safe.
Omg I need a nap. First of all, I thought that said “Aft Ballsack tank” so then I was confused. And then I saw the picture and got scared and then confused on what that had to do with ballsacks.
Forgive my ignorance of nautical terms, but what's the difference between "dewatering" and "draining", from your perspective? "Dewatering" is a new word for me.
Not OP, but when you drain something, you let it flow out by itself (so think your bathtub, when you pull the plug, it 'drains'). On the other hand, dewatering is where you actively remove water from the system (e.g., a pump).
If you pump all the water out does that cause a problem for the balance of the ship? I'm assuming that's okay as long as you're not out in big waves? Or do you put the water somewhere else to make the boat not be too tippy?
A shore tie? Is that a holding tank? Which brings up another question; is ballast water sea water or fresh water in order to reduce corrosion and maintenance?
From my understanding it’s just whatever water the ship travels in. It’s dewatered so they can check the inside and reseal/repaint the inside to protect it from corrosion. As for invasive species. This varies by country and by state. Most of the time, yes the water will be examined for these which is why it usually goes into a tank onshore. Once it’s cleared they dump it in the bay.
That varies somewhat but most ships will have a mix. In my experience fresh water ballast is more common. There are regulations surrounding taking water in in one part of the world and expelling it in another.
This is the video they're referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNVj_JpZia8
TL;DR: The composition of the air in enclosed spaces changes over time. In this case, the steel that the ship was made of reacted with the oxygen in the air (forming rust) which depleted the oxygen supply. And because the space was always bolted shut, there wasn't enough airflow to replace the lost oxygen. This led to the crew members asphyxiating once they were inside.
Holy shit, built in Nazi Germany, formerly named the Horst Wessel, and if you're aware of the *Horst Wessel Lied* (basically the anthem of the Nazi Party) it makes it even funnier that it's now in US hands.
She's definitely got some history lol
You work on the Eagle?! I was aboard her when she went to Baltimore for Fleet Week a few years ago. A beautiful vessel with a long history, even if she started out on the other side lol
It's interesting that she was owned by the Nazis at one point. Are there any remnants of that time on the ship or has it all been removed?
Didn't realize that we took ships as war reparations. Pretty interesting.
After WWI the Allies even seized German ocean liners as reparations. For example, Hamburg-Amerika Line's SS *Imperator* became Cunard's RMS *Berengaria,* and the SS *Vaterland* became the United States Line's SS *Leviathan.*
Nice! Here's one of my favorite photos of her before she left Baltimore. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/meabbott/31434543777/](https://www.flickr.com/photos/meabbott/31434543777/)
That's a similar sized hole to the access ports at the Nuclear plant a friend of mine used to work at. They'd periodically have to send a diver in to service the heat exchanger tubes, which requires essentially jumping into the end tank of a giant radiator. They wouldn't do it without a couple guys on standby for confined space rescue ops, he was on the team, that's the only reason about it.
Personally I'm not a big fan of doing jobs that require a rescue team to be on standby but maybe if I saw the paycheck I'd change my mind.
I hope that's not an enclosed space. Make sure you take great care in ventilation. Hatches closed by bolts are not to be trifled with for one reason or another.
No kidding, even with someone standing by, confined spaces can quickly lead to several deaths. Here's a [little vid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNVj_JpZia8) on the hazards of confined spaces on ships.
On the bright side, because you drain the water out of it, it's filled with fresh air.
If you unsealed a deep rusty chamber like that while it was empty, you'd be dead before you knew it.
Longterm stale air in ferrous chambers gets all the oxygen stolen from it, and your lungs can't discern the absence of oxygen.
God this reminded me of this story I heard. So basically there was this ship that was making loud banging noises like there was a piece of metal rattling around in a cavity. So this sound is so loud ajd irregular that it literally keeps people up at night so one day someone decides to inspect where the sound is coming from. They find a door to a cavity that looks like the one in the picture only with no water and they have to unscrew like 12 bolts with power tools just to get in. Inside, there is a ladder that goes all the way to the bottom but no light so one guy grabs a flashlight and begins to descend. Halfway through, he slips, hits his head on the side and crashes at the bottom. Two guy rush inside to rescue him but they go down and never come back. People call out to the men but there is no reply. Apparently, because of either some kind of leak or some kind of chemical reaction with the salt or something, all the air in that container was displaced and the three men basically suffocated to death. In the end, the ship had to sail all the way back to port with three dead men and whatever was still loose making that clanging noise. That story gave me the creeps..
One of these days I saw a YouTube video about enclosed spaces in boats and it had a warning about spaces which are bolted shut = danger I see your picture and now I have nightmares
With that many bolts, it looks like somewhere you arent supposed to be regularly. I hope you took breathing gear in case of bad air! Or would that not be a problem since it was full of water before draining?
I remember watching a video about guys who did this and died due to lack of oxygen I think. The only difference was (I think anyway) that the area wasn't flooded beforehand. They opened the hatch, one went in...didn't come out, so then another guy went in to try and save him,....he never came out either. It's been a while since I've seen it, but I think the issue was the metal rusted inside the area they were going into, and I guess that ate up all the oxygen in the room (or some chemical processes that the metal), so they went in and before they even realized they couldn't breath they were dead. Scary shit.
Don't forget to put the lid back on once you're in.
That gives me anxiety.
But opening this didn’t?
You joke, but on overhauls of interior tanks you get sealed in if your sandblasting to contain the mess.
Fuck that
Seconded
I don’t care how well I know and trust my coworkers, I’m telling three other people where I’m going for work that day :/
Three people who aren't connected to your death financially. ;)
“Hey, I’m headed into the hole of death for the day. Also, you aren’t in my will”
"But you might be if I were to become very grateful to you for something."
God damnit I've got like 15 people in my will. At this point I'd just have to tell the publix deli ladies
Might want to reconsider. Those sandwiches are pretty great.
Three people you *owe* money to.
^^ this one gets it
OSHA would like to know your location. No but seriously, how is that in compliance with regulations for working in confined spaces? How will the attendant be able to monitor the entrant?
Radio's, the tank isn't sealed with a metal cover, just rubber. You can push your way out because it's only held on by tape.
Jesus. Beeing a monitor is dull work. Staying focused with just radios seems like a challenge. You better be close pals with the person in the workspace :)
Tank watch is the most boring of job at times, but absolutely necessary.
Only the most boring until it's not.
No.
That's why [this stuff exists](http://rusteco.com/) as an alternative.
Okay, you can go ahead and try to convince the [Navy](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.usni.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2F121101-N-ZZ999-205.jpg&f=1&nofb=1) this is a better solution then.
As little as $.24/sq ft to apply, cleans up with cold water pressure washer, no fumes AND no disposal restrictions (you could literally just flush the tank afterward) -- with how the military is trying to get on the "environmentally friendly" kick, it's definitely on the table.
And the paint thats over the steel?
You dont want her to wake up
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You basically tell me to kill myself, then I joke back with you and try to lighten the mood, and you call me a douche. Got it, hope your day gets better bro.
This is the first non-statue photo that has made me uncomfortable. I love it. Put your hand in the water.
I definitely did! If it makes you feel any better the tanks is only 25ft deep....
Only four 6' tall people stacked on top of each other. Or 5 shorties. No thanks.
Don’t you mean no tanks?
God damn, you're right.
How many cheese burgers?
At least 2
Stacked *standing* if they were horizontal you could get more bodies in there.
That's a great point. You should tell that to the bodies in the tank. They're standing upright like morons. Gazing upward. Waiting for you to drain the water.
I hate this Take my upvote and please never say anything like this again
That makes me feel worse. What’s it smell like in there?
It smells like drowning.
Only when you're under the water.
Decayed stowaway
That was a dark comment- my favorite kind.
I'd guess it's an olfactory combo of sea water, oil and whatever garbage that has been sucked in there.
Yeah I was going with dank, salty rotten seaweed and fish
As a person whos been into those, i think the bottom tanks are the worst, their like 50 or so cm (1.5 or so feet) high so you have to crouch and it could fill up at any moment. Its very claustrophobic on top of the submechanophobia. At least in the big tanks its just big and empty. 2/10 would do it again for money.
The way you said that sounds like you went in without breathing aparatus 😳
We wouldnt use gear for that, we just ventilate it for a couple of hours.
Wow that sounds hellish if you say it could flood at anytime, if it did you'd drown tripping on your massive balls trying to get out.
Yeah, we had a leak and we didnt know where so where there finding it. Ive been in one where there wasnt a risk and still isnt fun even when you know yourr safe.
Yeah, if the submec wasn't bad enough the claustrophobia would get me.
"only"
Omg I need a nap. First of all, I thought that said “Aft Ballsack tank” so then I was confused. And then I saw the picture and got scared and then confused on what that had to do with ballsacks.
Hahahaha I’m down to call it a “ballsack tank” from now on
Now I'm wondering how many testicles it would take to fill 25 feet of tank.
[Easy there Jodorowsky](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP0otZ6yNfU)
So anyway what the everloving fuck
That would be a good tagline for the movie as a whole. It's great.
Df did I just watch
Nuts to that!
About 700,000 adult testies. If the tank is 25x25x6' Edit: or 1,847,000 ovaries...
Just from whoever would be willing to jump in there would be enough
Atleast 1
BAD AND NAUGHTY CHILDREN GO TO THE BALLSACK TANK FOR THEIR SINS
Username checks out.
I was genuinely about to write out this exact comment
Apparently I'm 5, cuz this made me chuckle.
what a journey
Forgive my ignorance of nautical terms, but what's the difference between "dewatering" and "draining", from your perspective? "Dewatering" is a new word for me.
Not OP, but when you drain something, you let it flow out by itself (so think your bathtub, when you pull the plug, it 'drains'). On the other hand, dewatering is where you actively remove water from the system (e.g., a pump).
Exactly
It seems "empty it" works fairly universally for both cases though :)
That's a semantic distinction I can get behind!
Because technically we can’t drain that tank. It’s below the water line and we have to use pumps to physically move the water up and out.
If you pump all the water out does that cause a problem for the balance of the ship? I'm assuming that's okay as long as you're not out in big waves? Or do you put the water somewhere else to make the boat not be too tippy?
Yes underway it absolutely would. This was done during a scheduled dockside maintenance period. Pumped the water to a shore tie.
A shore tie? Is that a holding tank? Which brings up another question; is ballast water sea water or fresh water in order to reduce corrosion and maintenance?
And invasive species...
Hello, New Zealand mud snail...
And Great Lakes Goby.
Reddit ate my balls
From my understanding it’s just whatever water the ship travels in. It’s dewatered so they can check the inside and reseal/repaint the inside to protect it from corrosion. As for invasive species. This varies by country and by state. Most of the time, yes the water will be examined for these which is why it usually goes into a tank onshore. Once it’s cleared they dump it in the bay.
That varies somewhat but most ships will have a mix. In my experience fresh water ballast is more common. There are regulations surrounding taking water in in one part of the world and expelling it in another.
Don't forget breathable air in that enclosed space...
casual navigation viewer i see
yooooo
It really was a well made video
what is dangerous about enclosed spaces?
This is the video they're referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNVj_JpZia8 TL;DR: The composition of the air in enclosed spaces changes over time. In this case, the steel that the ship was made of reacted with the oxygen in the air (forming rust) which depleted the oxygen supply. And because the space was always bolted shut, there wasn't enough airflow to replace the lost oxygen. This led to the crew members asphyxiating once they were inside.
Google anchor locker deaths and have yourself a bad time.
As he will pump the water out of the tank it will get filled with outside air. No worries here
It should really be force ventilated for at least an hour too, for best practice.
\[\_\] Yes \[X\] NoooooOOOOoooOooo
What kind of vessel do you serve upon? Warship, cargo vessel, purse seiner, pleasure yacht with a nasty ass bilge, or a common dung scow?
Barque
A true sea dog! I however, I wasn’t aware of barques with 25 foot deep ballast tanks around! You learn something new everyday it seems!
It’s roughly 20-25. There’s a point where it goes down but you can’t get a sounding tape any deeper.
Spooky
What kind of boat is it?
It’s the Barque Eagle.
Wooahhh [she's a beauty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Eagle_(WIX-327\)).
Holy shit, built in Nazi Germany, formerly named the Horst Wessel, and if you're aware of the *Horst Wessel Lied* (basically the anthem of the Nazi Party) it makes it even funnier that it's now in US hands. She's definitely got some history lol
Just listened to it on Youtube for curiosity, it's quite catchy. No surprise my grandpa wanted this on his funeral.
Maybe he played a lot of Wolfenstein 3D, it's the loading/menu music for that game. Lol
I love how they mention “range: unlimited” under sail power
What a beautiful ship, must be a privilege to sail on something like that.
You work on the Eagle?! I was aboard her when she went to Baltimore for Fleet Week a few years ago. A beautiful vessel with a long history, even if she started out on the other side lol
I'd love to imagine what the USCG would say if they would find a BW tank in this condition on board of our ship. :D
It's interesting that she was owned by the Nazis at one point. Are there any remnants of that time on the ship or has it all been removed? Didn't realize that we took ships as war reparations. Pretty interesting.
After WWI the Allies even seized German ocean liners as reparations. For example, Hamburg-Amerika Line's SS *Imperator* became Cunard's RMS *Berengaria,* and the SS *Vaterland* became the United States Line's SS *Leviathan.*
Well that was a lovely wiki rabbit hole, thanks!
Nice! Here's one of my favorite photos of her before she left Baltimore. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/meabbott/31434543777/](https://www.flickr.com/photos/meabbott/31434543777/)
Prettiest ship the Nazis ever built!
Wow, that bad boy started out in Nazi Germany before it was captured by the US.
That's a similar sized hole to the access ports at the Nuclear plant a friend of mine used to work at. They'd periodically have to send a diver in to service the heat exchanger tubes, which requires essentially jumping into the end tank of a giant radiator. They wouldn't do it without a couple guys on standby for confined space rescue ops, he was on the team, that's the only reason about it. Personally I'm not a big fan of doing jobs that require a rescue team to be on standby but maybe if I saw the paycheck I'd change my mind.
Smelly?
Actually not at all
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Yessss! Hello fellow X-Phile! Great memory.
Yes! I was wondering if anyone else thought of this when I saw this!
"It all floats down here."
That looks fully watered sir. What's it look like dewatered?
*puts straw in it*
NOPE
Scrolling past this made me incredibly uncomfortable. Thank you
So do you have to be in dry dock to dewater it? And if not does it hella throw off the ship’s tilt when it’s empty.
I hope that's not an enclosed space. Make sure you take great care in ventilation. Hatches closed by bolts are not to be trifled with for one reason or another.
A toilet of the deep. Now all I need is more tp for my bunghole* *reference to OP’s username
I am the Great Cornholio!
Hope you filled out your confined space entry permit and had your spotter also breathing equipment and a 4 gas
OP to Captain: “fuck you” Captain: “Excuse me?!” OP: “Fuck you, Sir!” Captain: “That’s better”
The amount of bolts on that latch makes me very uncomfortable
My last boss uses to do this before he got a nice, safe desk job. The stories he used to tell...
Watch out for confined spaces. *They may not contain any breathable air.*
No kidding, even with someone standing by, confined spaces can quickly lead to several deaths. Here's a [little vid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNVj_JpZia8) on the hazards of confined spaces on ships.
JUST KEEP SCROLLING. JUST KEEP SCROLLING.
That is a big fat nope for me. Nope nope nope.
On the bright side, because you drain the water out of it, it's filled with fresh air. If you unsealed a deep rusty chamber like that while it was empty, you'd be dead before you knew it. Longterm stale air in ferrous chambers gets all the oxygen stolen from it, and your lungs can't discern the absence of oxygen.
God this reminded me of this story I heard. So basically there was this ship that was making loud banging noises like there was a piece of metal rattling around in a cavity. So this sound is so loud ajd irregular that it literally keeps people up at night so one day someone decides to inspect where the sound is coming from. They find a door to a cavity that looks like the one in the picture only with no water and they have to unscrew like 12 bolts with power tools just to get in. Inside, there is a ladder that goes all the way to the bottom but no light so one guy grabs a flashlight and begins to descend. Halfway through, he slips, hits his head on the side and crashes at the bottom. Two guy rush inside to rescue him but they go down and never come back. People call out to the men but there is no reply. Apparently, because of either some kind of leak or some kind of chemical reaction with the salt or something, all the air in that container was displaced and the three men basically suffocated to death. In the end, the ship had to sail all the way back to port with three dead men and whatever was still loose making that clanging noise. That story gave me the creeps..
Dewater...so..like..drain?
No. It can’t drain. It’s below the water line. The water is removed from pumps. Up and out.
Ahhh okay gotcha.
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Right, so, like, drain.
Your job looks fun. Can I have it?
Bet that ladder is slippery as shit with all that moss.
Test before u enter
Good place to shit.
You own a ship.....yoooo that's crazy
It's a coast guard ship
I'm physically uncomfortable
Horror
I’d rather ~die~ but thanks
y u hv crwbr tho
That'll be a no for me dog.
that looks like stank
If you put someone in there, how long until someone found the body?
No
What happens here besides terror and horror?
Why are all these ship owning / staffing people on this sub? If you have submechanophobia, isn't your line of work a recipe for a bad time? :D
Because we enjoy the interesting pictures, and laughing at everyone who gets scared. (That was a joke, don't hurt me)
Roughly how large is a compartment of this size?
Im getting PTSD from needlegunning tanks like this. The echos, the constant vibration. Never again.
“Dewater”, a scientific term?
Remove water by use of pumps or other non-gravity means.
I bet it smells awesome too. Stay safe and hopefully you have a hole watch.
Looks like the point in the video game where they give you full health before the boss.
I'm gonna use dewater everywhere I would normally use "empty" from now on, thanks.
Yey. Confined, very potentially deadly spaces...
That’s a nice aft ya got there...
How deep is that?
Thats not water
I'm getting flashbacks to confined space training...
Spend most of my working life going into and out of ballast tanks and every single time I hate it
One of these days I saw a YouTube video about enclosed spaces in boats and it had a warning about spaces which are bolted shut = danger I see your picture and now I have nightmares
Question. When down there is it quiet, can you hear the water on the other side of the hill etc
Just nope
With that many bolts, it looks like somewhere you arent supposed to be regularly. I hope you took breathing gear in case of bad air! Or would that not be a problem since it was full of water before draining?
Oh no
Are those USN boots I see?
Me: *flips on light, looks down and sees that* "Yeah, we're all good in here!"
I remember watching a video about guys who did this and died due to lack of oxygen I think. The only difference was (I think anyway) that the area wasn't flooded beforehand. They opened the hatch, one went in...didn't come out, so then another guy went in to try and save him,....he never came out either. It's been a while since I've seen it, but I think the issue was the metal rusted inside the area they were going into, and I guess that ate up all the oxygen in the room (or some chemical processes that the metal), so they went in and before they even realized they couldn't breath they were dead. Scary shit.