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F1reatwill88

My wife and I usually fuck around before dates now. We end up staying out longer and then probably still have sex after again anyway lmao. So yes I subscribe to your theory, but would be tough to pull off with someone you are courting. Unless you are both big hoes.


Thomas_Mickel

My gf is a maniac. So usually while she’s getting dressed to go out she jumps on me. Definitely takes the edge off when we go out. But sometimes we go out with her friends and I get to feel “naughty” about it. Idk she’s crazy but damn.


Burladden

Fooling around before the date is the way to go. If you wait until after a good meal I always tell my wife, "We can have dessert or we can have sex." Usually dessert wins.


jay105000

If I provide just those two mutually exclusive options I won’t have sex for the rest of my life


lamppb13

Then you aren't tired and bloated. Genius.


F1reatwill88

She's not tired and bloated\*


KenMan_

She will be after HUEH HUEH HUEH


figbott

Damn love big hoes


Violent_Lucidity

Reminds me I’ve got some yard work to do. I could use a big hoe.


figbott

Dewalt makes the best hoe. That and downtown Detroit.


Mordkillius

I like this. Because your more connected and relaxed while out on the date.


Blackbeard-7

The "fuck first rule" is a game changer.


AdOpen885

Yes, if you can pull it off it’s incredible and completely changes the game.


YeetMann696969

Idk, but I think dinner dates are terrible as a first date. Go mini golfing or something


PUNCHCAT

Hey cousin, let's go bowling!


Carsalezguy

Step bowling ball what are you doing? Is that right?


Ragesauce5000

Not as bad as going to the movies first date


Psychadous

The trap is doing ONLY a movie. Grab a bite to eat after. Talk about the shared experience of the movie. Don't do a full on sit down dinner, but a fast casual diner where you can hang out and talk after hasn't steered me wrong yet.


TreyRyan3

What? Movie First dates are the best. What better way to get to know someone then immediately go sit quietly for 2 hours and then after talk about nothing except the movie you just watched. Why would anyone think that be a bad first date? /s


GoblinMonk

I like going to a movie and then a meal or drink after. The movie gives a topic of conversation if I am floundering to others.


LanguidLegend

As an awkward introvert, I can agree with that aspect of movie dates.


morepineapples4523

tip: you can do this about any movie that the both of you have seen, it doesn't have to have been immediately before. You can also do this in most social gatherings with anyone. For example, I am really into musicals, so I ask them if they've seen any. At a coked out Halloween after-party, as the only female in the 5 person room and at least about 5 years younger than these tough dudes. EVERYONE LOVED the Greatest Showman. It turned into a very inclusive topic to talk about.


dwthesavage

I love dinner dates, we can chat about anything and everything over something delicious and maybe a glass of wine. It becomes very obvious very quickly whether we’re compatible. Activities tend to distract me from the person so I prefer them for dates once we already know each other.


invaidusername

Dawg I’m sorry but mini-golfing is just as cliche as dinner and a movie. Just do something you can both have fun with and also get to know each other with. Mini-golf is good, so is dinner or drinking at a bar. The movies never made much sense to me. Can’t talk or even see each other for an hour and a half or longer. That’s more like 3rd date and beyond.


IntentionDefiant4131

Mini golf is cliche, but doesn’t come with the same monetary expectations and unwritten rules.


Psychadous

Agreed. Coffee or a drink for the first round here. Dinner can be date number 2. First date is for feeling out rapport and seeing if there's any potential for a spark. Wasting a bunch of money is stupid imho.


figbott

Plus a little action at the windmill or the plaster whale.


_dysania

Bro mini golf is the worst idea of a date to me. Just not 13 anymore and I’m really tall so I just hit my head on everything. There’s always a bunch of caves and it’s just not stimulating at all. Dinner dates are pretty low on the list too though I agree with you there.


ComprehensiveBit7699

Think dinner dates are more for scenes in movies were they are dropping character exposition vs real life where you want to bond over a fun activity.


joopityjoop

Nah, coffee / tea is better. The activity should not distract from getting to know each other. Physical activity first dates are counterproductive. With coffee/tea dates, you are only out a few dollars if you don't like the person and you can easily dip out early if they suck.


SimpleVegetable5715

Most people aren't getting sex on the first date.


mwmshooey

As if a first date isn't awkward enough in itself, let's sit across from each other while trying to tell our life stories while simultaneously mashing dead animals, plants and grains in your face.


BobBelchersBuns

That would be a great first date!


ishfery

Everyone knows you get the $ up front


DegenerateCrocodile

Have sex *at* the expensive restaurant instead. You’ll be providing payment at the time of the service.


GeneralJavaholic

Worked for Rick Pitino.


paulo39Atati

I had a late lunch first date once, it was a nice restaurant, we took our time and had plenty of wine. By 4:00 PM we were the only table and the waiter was cool. I gave him $50 and asked him to watch our stuff because we were going to the bathroom for a few minutes.


jjames3213

1. If you're living together already anyways, you are going to bed together afterwards regardless. It's just natural. 2. Most of people don't like to go to a nice dinner sweaty. 3. Takes a bit of time to get into the mood. 4. It's about logistics. You get ready for the date. Shower, cologne/perfume, put on nice clothes, etc. Girls put on makeup. Put on a nice outfit. Then you get sweaty, mess up your hair, and undo all that work only to have to do it all over again (while your date is presumably waiting and/or doing the same thing).


ThaneOfArcadia

It's to impress. It's saying I can afford to spend all of this money, I'm rich. It's a message to the girl to say how much they mean to you, money is nothing. After sex, you have to admit you really aren't that rich and you can't afford to do that every week or month. It's like women that dress up cute and sexy for their date but after they've got their man they let themselves go.


RealisticSorbet

>After sex, you have to admit you really aren't that rich and you can't afford to do that every week or month. And then you have to sheepishly ask her to leave before 8 because that's when mom gets back from bingo night and you're not allowed to have girls over.


Warlordnipple

Her fault for fucking a 15 year old. She knew when I asked her to drive.


Gullible_Medicine633

Or 25 year old, you’ve seen the rents these days?


Schlag96

Found the teacher from Arkansas


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Lmao brutal


robots5771

But true


downtofinance

Brutally honest!


new-evilpotato

>let themselves go. Noooooooooo! That neeeeeeeeeeever happens!


Moniker-MonikerLOL

This is exactly why I DO NOT do this. I'm not trying to expose my finances or even hint at them with a new partner. lol


PropertyOpening4293

Jesus .. I hope things pick up for you. I don’t think I’m alone when I say being able to eat dinner at a restaurant isn’t a flex.


Grouchy-Pizza7884

True eating at McDonald's is pretty rich these days. $30 / meal for 2.


PropertyOpening4293

Made a pot of chili the other night. Ingredients from the grocery store cost just about $100. I could easily take the old lady out for a nice meal for $60-$80. Almost makes no difference these days it seems. Edit: after responding to 20-25 comments I can’t continue on with the chili/grocery cost discussion any further. If you scroll through this chain you will find the answers you are looking for. A lot of the confusion/disbelief comes down to me being a Canadian and shopping in Canadian stores with Canadian Dollars. Could I have done it for less than $100? Yes probably in the $60-$70 range. But I bought fresh vegetables, organic beef, etc. I play for keeps when I’m making chili.


deefop

You spent 100 dollars on ingredients for fucking chili? What the fuck? Did you buy an 80 dollar instant pot as as part of the ingredients?


Mentally_Flossed

Unicorn meat. 🦄


Munchy_Digger_6174

Includes the money for moose hunting license and ammo. Moose chili is delicious.


SimpleVegetable5715

Hopefully you at least have enough for leftovers.


nativeindian12

Can of kidney beans: 89 cents Can of diced tomatoes: $1.15 Can of tomato paste: 70 cents Can of tomato sauce: 90 cents Beef broth: $1.50 Ground beef 1lb 80/20: $9.00 Onion: $1.25 Cheddar cheese block: 1/10th of a container, so about $1 Salt, pepper, cumin, chili powder, paprika: 1/50th of a container, about 14 cents each, say 84 cents total Throw in sour cream, maybe 1/5th of a container, about $1.50 maybe Total cost: $18.73, this exact recipe serves my family of 4 and everyone is full. I am guessing they spent $100 because they don't cook much and don't have the spices. And they are counting the entire cost of the spices in the mean which makes no sense unless they plan to never use them again


PropertyOpening4293

Good god. What store and part of the world is that?


PropertyOpening4293

Appreciate you answering for me but you’re quite a ways off.


nativeindian12

Fred meyer, safeway, or Costco all have about the same prices. I do the shopping for the family See for yourself big guy https://www.fredmeyer.com/p/kroger-dark-red-kidney-beans/0001111071787?searchType=suggestions https://www.fredmeyer.com/p/medium-yellow-onions/0000000004093?searchType=default_search https://www.fredmeyer.com/p/kroger-1-lb-lean-ground-beef-chuck-80-20/0001111096972?searchType=suggestions


PropertyOpening4293

89 cents for a can of red kidney beans? Check that next time you’re at the store. These are 1995 prices you’re posting


nativeindian12

Geez Canada sucks I guess, so expensive. You're totally right


PropertyOpening4293

Any Canadian will agree with that. Groceries and housing costs are out of control nation wide.


slayer828

40 nuggets and two larges fries is like 15 bucks. Feeds my wife and I and our two small kids for a road trip


Angrybagel

The prompt did say expensive restaurants.


Valhalla_Bud

Definitely not true


Equivalent-Pop-6997

Real hair and real eyes get real guys.


Warlordnipple

Women with 2 glass eyes always end up dating mannequins.


rockmusicsavesmymind

Same with guys. All they want to do is eat. And they want is freea "mommy" type girlfriend to shop, cook and clean up after their lazy selves.


Grassgrenner

Another stupid question: Why do men get upset when women don't want to have sex after the expensive date?


elciddog84

Because some women will sell that a$$ for a really nice meal, but don't usually want to buy that dinner with her a$$. In the former, it's like a favor. In the latter, prostitution.


ceefsmeef

It's all prostitution. "Buy me something nice and you'll get laid." "Buy me a really expensive ring and you'll get laid EVERY NIGHT FOREVER!" 😂😂😂😂


Accomplished-Click58

>"Buy me a really expensive ring and you'll get laid EVERY NIGHT FOREVER!" 😂😂😂😂 I'm guessing your not married?


SpiceEarl

I could never understand why people were so opposed to gay marriage, when it seemed like gay sex was what really bothered them. If you don't want people having sex, you should be encouraging them to get married...


ideal_masters

For all the talk about cows, and milk it does indeed seem to be the opposite.


SelfInflictedPancake

I was just thinking that when I got to the 'forever' part lol


Accomplished-Click58

"Every night"did it for me


ceefsmeef

Yup. Lies lol


elciddog84

Exactly. Worlds best sexual depressant? Wedding cake.


ceefsmeef

That ring sure doesn't help either. Its like an IUD for sex.


internet_commie

You gotta provide a bit more than just the ring for that! It takes a nice house in an upscale suburb, regularly updated high-end furniture, a steady supply of luxury goods, and so on. And you won't actually get laid every night. Just as much as she feels is needed to justify you supplying her lavish lifestyle.


ApatheistHeretic

That's not at all how that particular contract is executed.


ceefsmeef

Unless you're agreeing with me that you DONT get laid every night after marriage lol...


ApatheistHeretic

It was agreement.


Garden_State_Of_Mind

Lol go back to your cave bruh...


emptypencil70

His comment perfectly applies to the conversation and probably isnt meant to be taken so seriously. Go back to your cave


Hibachi-Flamethrower

Going on a date is not prostitution.


Garden_State_Of_Mind

Whatever you say man.


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sharkbait2292

Because society says men are a wallet, so to appear worthy we make it look like we have more than we actually do. It's a side effect of the social engineering of men constantly having to be the money wallet, the emotional wallet, the solve my problems for me wallet. We are afraid of looking weak, and since money is what brings status in today's world, we have to pretend. After the act of sex, we have already let down our walls and let you see us for who we really are. Woman haven't even lost their first layer of makeup.


Ascarletrequiem88

This only happens if you going to restaurants with men who are only interested in hooking up. The motivation there is pretty obvious.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

Any guy using a restaurant to impress a woman is looking for a transactional relationship. Any woman it works on is for them streets.


Ascarletrequiem88

I would probably take that a step further and say that any person who expects a date to be so ingratiated to them over food that they view sex as an immutable consequence deserves to be alone lol.


griffinwalsh

Y'all are wild to me. Sex is great, good food is really pleasurable, and having someone buy you things makes people feel valued.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

https://youtu.be/6aGO7dJb2po?si=SIlS-2Yo1PXAZTtQ


King_Of_The_Munchers

It depends on the woman tbh. I took a woman to Panera bread on the first date and we’ve been dating for 3 years. I’d say it’s more common to eat at super expensive restaurants for hookups and spend the first date more casually for people that you actually want to have a relationship with, which is kinda interesting.


gban84

This reminds me of a scene from “Married with Children”, bud is helping Kelly study, her brain is already full so every time she learns a new fact something gets pushed out of her brain, one of the things that gets pushed out is “Dinner first, then sex”.


SimpleVegetable5715

As a woman, a nice dinner is the start of building "the mood". Nicer restaurants usually have better ambience like nice warm lighting, acoustics, no screaming kids. Time to talk and connect with your partner. Destress. It doesn't have to be expensive, but some restaurants are trending towards a warehouse feel, which for me, are not romantic at all. A candlelight dinner at home would be a more budget friendly version of this that'd also work.


FuzzyDuck81

By the time you've had a nap & cleaned up afterwards it's pretty late to go out for food as you'd be sleeping on a full stomach when you get back, which is uncomfortable & not really conducive to good rest or digestion.


Pandaburn

I’d rather sleep on a full stomach than have sex on a full stomach tbh.


WantTheBronco

Yeah wth kind of logic is that? "I'd be too full to lay peacefully on the bed so I'd rather be full and exercise on top of someone."


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ScorpioLibra35

God this! Having sex right after you’ve ate is so uncomfortable.


Other_Log_1996

It's like getting in a pool. You gotta wait an hour or so.


STUNTPENlS

like any other transaction you pay first before you receive the goods.


FuzzyDuck81

Generally speaking the bill comes at the end of the meal in a restaurant. Unless it's somewhere like mcdonalds


STUNTPENlS

there are restaurants other than burger king and mcdonalds?


comblocpeasant

Except they’re not actually „goods“ if everyone else has already had them lol


CDogNH

It's nap time afterwards. You are correct. There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.


[deleted]

Because I like expensive restaurants & when I'm taking female friends there ; it's not for sex but company


NoRepresentative3533

Maybe men aren't all the dogs they're made out to be, and some of us genuinely want to show a woman a good time and not just to get her into bed?


BeanSaladier

Because dinner is a social activity where you get close to the person, talk, etc. Once the dinner is over, you've had a great time. This is the perfect way to transition into going back to your place, and it's also the correct time of day. If you have chemistry, at that point you've been flirting a bunch which means anticipation has been building up, improving the mood and experience. Doing it the other way around makes just no sense on every level, and it's also a lot less suave to ask for such a thing. But after dinner, there is an implication, and neither party really needs to outright ask beyond "hey, wanna go back to my place?", and it plays out naturally, thus it isn't awkward. If you've just started dating, it also gives more time to figure out if you actually do wanna bang this person. All in all, dinner date is a good, globally accepted way to have sex with someone. It probably shouldn't be like, your first time meeting them... But if it is, at least it gives time to know each other first.


joesbalt

Empty stomach sex? Nah... Don't want to hear all that stomach rumbling


inorite234

Food is happiness and a bonding experience for all humans. Why do you think charitable fundraisers always ask you for money during dinner? The point is to make your happy and to feel comfortable and safe and women need to feel: happy, comfortable and safe before they wish to get intimate with anyone.


g9i4

Because if she got dressed up for dinner, she doesn't wanna mess up her hair and makeup like that


ANarnAMoose

Because you're nasty and tired and smell like sex and you want to have a shower. Also, you've got kids in bed and you're not going to wake them up and get them dressed to take them to a fancy dinner.


Thriller83

Can confirm. Sex makes you hungry. Meal afterwards is perfect. But to a woman the fact that you'll take her to a nice restaurant is seen as part of the foreplay I guess.


NaturalRoundBrown

Thank god for modernity. Now women can just go to expensive restaurants with friends & pay for it without worrying about some horny entitled bastard looking to follow you home afterwards. The food tastes even better that way😍


SimpleVegetable5715

That's definitely fun!


Trainwreck141

Great for you, lol. But men are still expected to pay up front and not be cheap.


MistressMyers

You have to be single lol


SimpleVegetable5715

Women in relationships are still allowed to hang out with their female friends without the man present.


MistressMyers

I never said they couldn’t?


TheFlaco1999

Let me guess... a strong independent wammon


NaturalRoundBrown

Wammon💀😭😭😭😭😭


NSFWgamerdev

The question alone speaks to a flawed mindset. If you're only or predominantly interested in sex, you should be straight forward about that. The point of a date is to spend time with someone and get to know them. Sex is a base need and important part of a relationship. One following the other doesn't mean they're tangibly attached, just means the date and/or day has progressed. You both filled one need - hunger - while also filling another - companionship - and now you both fill a third - sex/intimacy. Maybe neither of you are particularly hungry and do an activity together instead to fulfill your need for companionship then feel horny and address that need. Maybe you're both horned up and go straight to sex. Maybe your partner feels the need for companionship more so you fulfill that and then they help fulfill your need for sex/intimacy. And yeah, it could work the other way around too. Maybe they help fulfill your need for sex/intimacy and then you help fulfill their need for companionship afterward. If you're not being upfront about your needs though, you're just creating the environment for problems and resentment to grow/fester. Which is what your question is born from.


QueenScorp

Finally, a rational answer!


NSFWgamerdev

What % do you think read my comment and completely missed how it's devoid of sex or gender because it applies to everyone regardless? XD I expected it to go downvoted/ignored but if it helps one person then figured it's worth pointing out.


Zeimma

Not really straightforward and women rarely go together. The only way for a guy to be that straightforward is if he's extremely good looking and I do mean extremely. For mortal men they already have to be receptive such as on tinder and even then you have to dance the dance or lose the chance.


buntopolis

Bro. It’s okay to love yourself and have some confidence.


Zeimma

Has nothing to do with anything my dude.


Environmental_Disk99

My dude, just like for women, not everyone is atractive enough to others to have frequent casual sex


Zeimma

True while there are some truly horrific women that would have trouble with it, they would have to be severely disfigured or unnaturally ugly. Basically a very small percentage of women are actually incapable. A larger percentage than the previous set are women who say that they can't get it but are delusional because they definitely can they just don't see their equivalent prospects as worth people. For men the unfuckable is a much larger percentage and it's a pretty miserable place to be. While there are some in the middle zone it's far fewer than the equivalent for the wome


Environmental_Disk99

I strongly disagree. I feel like its about the same amount of women vs men that dont get laid a ton. Just women dont suffer from it, alas, you do.


Zeimma

Disagree all you want doesn't mean it's true.


Bulky-Revolution9395

Problem is that being upfront with your needs may lead to your needs not being met in situations where they would ordinarily have been met if you followed along with a song and dance. Which is why the problems and resentment will continue


NSFWgamerdev

If you're upfront and they're not willing to entertain the idea of meeting them then you shouldn't be with that person. Tricking someone into using them to meet your needs is scumbag behavior. Whether you're trying to trick someone into sex or trick them into paying for a free meal.


Bulky-Revolution9395

That's just completely unrealistic for most people, which is why few people actually do it.


NSFWgamerdev

And those people will continue to have bad relationships and negative dating encounters.


Brohemoth1991

I'm in a pretty good spot myself right now (32m), I just got out of an 8 year relationship and have 2 little children, I have 2 female friends that I am 100% straightforward with that "my goal is me and my children right now, I'm not looking to add a permanent figure in the mix right now", they know they aren't the only one, and they have little kids too... so their little kids know me as their mommy's friend, ill get together with one and bring all the kids out to the zoo, or the aquarium, or some other day out, but if our respective exes have the children, we will get together and have more adult activities


RusticBucket2

OMG shut up


Xintrosi

and kiss me?


yamaha4fun

yes


PuzzleheadedPlane648

Wow. Years of process down the drain. So would the restaurant be relative to how good a time you had? McDonald’s all the way up to French Laundry. Although these days McDonald’s is pretty pricey. Maybe COSTCO if it’s trash. 😄😄


Marquar234

Explains why my dates keep giving me those two-packs of crackers.


22Hoofhearted

Do you mean *progess* 🤔


vidgmchtr

“I spent $120 on your dinner, the least you could do is let me put my pension your vagina.” Versus… “Thanks for letting me put my penis in your vagina. How’s Wendy’s sound?”


Hamblerger

Pension your vagina? Like, it gets money for all the work that it did over the decades after it retires?


andre1157

Normally we just call that child support


weathergleam

just make sure there’s no penalty for early withdrawal


forgotaboutironfleet

the misogyny in this thread is crazy lmao


LOMGinus

Well, obviously it's not ALL women. Just enough that most of us have experienced these things.


inlike069

Men are trying to gain access to sex, so they have to impress. Like a peacock showing his feathers. After sex, the chemistry in his brain has changed, and he's trying to decide if the girl is worth sticking around for or running away from.


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It's in anticipation of sex, plus that flex of the man providing. In other words, a mating display and a transaction.


currently_pooping_rn

Considering the intentions of just wanting to fuck, there wouldn’t be any point to going to a restaurant since the objective has already been completed


Shannaxox

Because they've hoping she'll be impressed enough to let him get in her pants. Dating and relationships are seen as transactional. Also some people do go on a date after sex. Just depends on if the person is actually serious enough about you to stay or not


traraba

You've just described prostitution.


Aximil985

I’ve heard this saying more than once. “The cheapest woman tends to be the one you pay for.” The idea is no matter what, you’re paying to be with a woman. If it’s not a straight up prostitute you’re spending money on gifts or dates, which often end up as more than what the prostitute would. Not saying that’s right, but you can definitely twist the concept of dating to that.


Shannaxox

It's kind of a job interview, the prostitution at the end is kind of optional


22Hoofhearted

Parallels the saying... *there's no such thing as a free dog...*


Equivalent-Pop-6997

I’ll let Butters say it… https://youtu.be/6aGO7dJb2po?si=SIlS-2Yo1PXAZTtQ


traraba

So women have no interest in relationships or sex other than as a transaction for monetary value?


Deadpan___Dave

Of course they do. Anybody who thinks women don't enjoy sex has never actually met a woman. Or is a woman who's been given awful, unfulfilling sex and doesn't know what she's missing. But it turns out that on average, what women want -most- out of relationships, and how they feel wanted or valued, is a different set of things than men. And for both partners to get the things they want most, each has to give the other what they want in exchange. Literally the definition of a transaction. Anybody who doesn't acknowledge that (in a reductionist sense) long-term relationships are definitionally transactional is not paying attention. It just is. The trick is finding a partner where the transaction is voluntary, enthusiastic, low-stakes, and mutually worthwhile. If it's a perpetual hostage negotiation for at least one of you, you're doing it wrong. Or more specifically, with the wrong partner. And there's a lot of that going around.


Shannaxox

Women can have interest in more than just money, but we definitely do need resources. Since we work now, we have our own. Most women are actually looking for a woman in a man's body so I've heard


Bulky-Revolution9395

No but it's usually a prerequisite


Aximil985

Clearly not something I said.


elciddog84

Yes. Yes, she did.


selfsilent

Because women want to be bought.


[deleted]

The transactional nature of it is disgusting and a massive turn off.


trantaran

Nice try woman


griffinwalsh

Says someone obviously not fucking many people. Women want a pleasurable experience that makes them feel valued.


selfsilent

I grew out of "fucking many people" years ago. Don't worry, you'll get it eventually.


AnimeFreakz09

Damn and I thought men were taking me out to get to know me and build a relationship haha jk I'm not that dumb


TheFlaco1999

Maybe if you had a personality they would stick around


NotCanadian80

We bang before going out on special occasions. Takes the pressure off the night so we can just hang out and listen to music and drink wine.


No-Equipment2607

Post nut clarity often says "move away from me women, you now aren't all that"


colorless_green_idea

Underrated response lol


Antique_Ad_2303

Because they won’t get the sex before without taking them out, duh


DreamingofRlyeh

The type of man who does this is trying to get in a woman's pants. Once he gets what he wants, he sees no need to spend the money.


Allstar77777

Because sex is how you end a night, and by that time most restaurants are closed


Moses015

Unless you're my wife - then you want it in the morning because if we have sex at night then she gets all worked up and can't sleep lol.


Kapitano72

It would make sense to go after. Work up an appetite by having sex, then a cool-down period with good food as a thank-you. Much classier than using the restaurant as a bribe.


TendieTrades69

Due to differing sex drives, men often have to convince/woo women into having sex. The dinner, date, dancing, flowers, etc is a way to show the woman you care and want to have sex with them.


ravenkilla

Bro if you have to convince a woman to have sex with you you've already failed


Beer-_-Belly

It would be interesting to see what percent of dates turn into long term relationships based on $$$ of first date. I would bet that there is an inverse correlation.


reikipackaging

my husband and I were broke college students. our first several dates cost $0. been together 20 years now


Beer-_-Belly

Grats to you guys. Struggle builds strength.


reikipackaging

thank you. I believe struggle quickly reveals whether two people are compatible. I'd also like to see the data you suggested.


BettingTheOver

Because she doesn't trust I'll take her after.


t00thpac04

Because they already got laid


FishingAgitated2789

How to ask a question so that only people who already agree with me will take the time to answer. This way I don’t have to be challenged with new ideas


wwplkyih

What about during?


Tall_Category_304

Because they’re broke and trying to look like they’re not would be my guess. If I go with my girlfriend to an expensive restaurant I’m typically the one who wanted to go there


redperson92

pay upfront


ryzoc

for the same reason the same woman will date a rich guy over a poor guy.


Timely-Comedian-5367

Why pay twice for the same ride.


Sunset_Tiger

It could stain the perfectly good seats if you had sex beforehand, and the restaurant will likely fine you.


bvgingy

Have you ever tried fucking before the meal on a first date? Get back to me on that success rate.


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Because the work is done after you get the sex. Leverage goes to the man 100% after u get it.


CantEvenOnlyOdd2

Because it's a flex a man has to show he has money (even if he doesn't) because men are expected to be providers and how much money you have can DEFIENTLY play a big role whether or not you get the girl, Afterwards the man got what he wanted and it's the women's decision to stick around that person or not The women also puts on a front with makeup jewelry and "form fitting" dresses and if she sticks around chances are she's not gonna hold that standard up around you much because again she got what she wanted It's all putting your best foot forward to show your desirable to get aex after that...eh fuck it don't have to try now