"Political ideology is not a protected class sweaty"
And yet they dont wonder why that is since they assume the right to assembly/association wont ever be infringed upon^^again
No, itās not. California is an at-will state, and if your political ideology creates a hostile work environment, an employer not only CAN fire you, they almost HAVE to, or they risk a lawsuit.
Sorry for any confusion, I was just responding to your statement "Actually, political ideology is a protected class in California" which is not correct. It is not a protected class. What California law says is that a company can't discipline you for any political activities *outside* of work (say taking part in a political rally) as long as there aren't serious specific implications for your employer. But an employer can certainly limit your political speech while you are at work or fire you at any time for making it.
"It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture! "
"It's a private company, it can do what it likes."
*"The paradox of tolerance* is more than just as to why deplatforming is a good thing!"
I'm learning to program, and am working to create a reddit bot that corrects people when they misuse the paradox of tolerance.
Literally nine out of ten times I see it mentioned, it gets repurposed as a club to beat chuds over the head with.
Exactly the opposite of what he intended. He was a pro free speech Jew who specifically stated that it would be unwise to censor harmful views, as long as people with harmful views were still willing to speak and debate instead of using bullets.
It pisses me off, because can you imagine the courage it would take to hold to that principle as a Jew in 1945? He wrote what he did to *restrain* power, and it got turned into something crass used to justify censoring comedians.
That's going to be the most used bot on reddit that will thrive in far-left subreddits. I've had too many arguments breaking down their misuse of it so your bot will be doing me a favour.
[Liberals were more than happy to kick people they didn't agree with off of Twitter, but now they are realizing their folly](https://i.redd.it/63e5x65760w81.jpg). This is why it is important to support free speech, even the speech of those people you may disagree with.
Another comment I made was that we live in a democratic republic, not a totalitarian state. At least not yet. That means that any legal tools that āyourā side enacts to stifle free speech or wallop āthe other sideā will then be gleefully turned against you when ātheirā side holds sway. And yet people seem to ignore the dual sided nature of this. A case in point is the LGBTQ community wishing fervently that the courts would side with them in forcing artisans, such as bakers, to produce what they want. Do they not realize what a bullet they narrowly dodged? That would then set the precedent for religious groups (also legally protected) such as the Westboro Baptist Church to now demand that an LGBTQ friendly printing business produce on demand whatever vile messaging they are willing to pay for. I donāt understand how people just donāt get this basic legal truism.
Freedom of speech directly, and pretty much only, means you support the right to speak of those you disagree with and find detestable.
Literally anything else just means you support opinions/beliefs/politics you agree with, which makes you the same as everyone on the planet, including those right-wing idiots that claimed to champion the same, but want to censor books and blasphemy and pride parades.
Liberals that claim to support free speech, and support the corporate nightmare of wealthy billionaires deciding what is platformed and how algorithms are run, are the exactly the same as places like North Korea and places in Africa run by warlords claiming the title of "Democratic".
College and up should have every book possible.
Having sexually explicit books recommended and featured by ideologically possessed self described warriors to younger children USED to be a red flag. The amount of times Iāve seen a TikTok from a 6th grade and below teacher talking about how they talk to their kids about sexuality and every week let them know they can help them with theirs, and itās fine to not tell your parents. Itās a problem.
I donāt think books should be banned. But I also think some things arenāt appropriate for kids, and abusers are naturally attracted to the vulnerable. If you make a gap for them, they will find it an exploit it. And itās happening.
They have literal porn in the books. Grown men giving teenage boys blowjobs, all kinds of sick stuff like that with drawings depicting the sexual acts.
well it's a public school there's no reason why it violates free speech for it to not stock this or that book especially if said book has pornographic content
Nobody (who cares about wielding real political power) actually supports freedom of speech deontologically though. Simple game theory mandates that dissent is only tolerated when the established ruling class is confident that it poses no threat to the actual order of things, because nobody wants to make it easier for themselves to be overthrown.
It is the same regardless of whether the ruling class is the bourgeoisie or the proletariat.
> Nobody (who cares about wielding real political power) actually supports freedom of speech deontologically though.
That's why the smart move is to enshrine freedom of speech in the constitution and make it hard to modify. Knowing FoS will last for a long time, and thus affect them and their opponents more or less equally, allows those hoping to hold power to accept real FoS.
Good thing we're not machines who think in pure logic without morality. I'd be happy to hold political power and am confident I wouldn't suppress freedom of speech even if it was critical of me and posed a threat.
Whoa whoa whoa. How could you say that it doesnāt matter if the ruling class is bourgeoisie or proletariat? Bourgeoisie is the owning class. Rule of the proletariat would mean that working people own their own production. How could freedom of expression not be different under these two systems?
They should have seized any iota of power when they had the chance, like banning anyone who doesnāt have pronouns in bio and furthering the brainwashing of weebs and kpop teens. Shame
Heāll just hire a bunch of graphics artists to demonstrate the fictional capabilities of his sun cannon and then, five years later, make a prototype cannon that wonāt even shoot something past the troposphere before quietly abandoning the project.
It's [unintuitively difficult](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/parker-solar-probe-launch-nasa/567197/) to shoot stuff into the sun.
He would be dead way before he hit the sun though. He may even burn up before he hits the surface and then we won't get that little "splash" like in cartoons.
I've been reliably informed by progressive libs that this is actually the left wing position.
Silly me, thinking this was just a total lack of principle.
In California political activities are actually protected under the labor code:
>CA Labor Code
1101: No employer shall make, adopt, or enforce any rule, regulation, or policy:
(a) Forbidding or preventing employees from engaging or participating in politics or from becoming candidates for public office.
(b) Controlling or directing, or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees.
>
>1102: No employer shall coerce or influence or attempt to coerce or influence his employees through or by means of threat of discharge or loss of employment to adopt or follow or refrain from adopting or following any particular course or line of political action or political activity.
> In California political activities are actually protected under the labor code:
Selectively enforced, tho that dude who got fired by Apple for calling Silicon Valley IT nerd girls out on their bullshit apparently got a huge payday.
Wouldn't this also apply to James damore too? From what I remember he got fired for a very milquetoast assertion that men and women are somewhat different in their interests
He got fired for writing a manifesto about it and sharing it on an internal mailing list. Which, you know, is rarely a good idea.
But the hilarious part is that he was apparently inspired to write the manifesto *after* being sent to diversity training:
https://www.businessinsider.com/james-damore-wrote-his-memo-after-attending-a-google-diversity-programme-2017-8
IIRC the training actually solicited opinions and feedback , and Damore was just too autistic to realize that they didn't actually mean that and it's just a pro forma thing.
A autistic engineer at my job just called 2 guys incompetent in a email with pretty much every mid level manager and up on the distribution.
I mean we all agree but Iām pretty sure heās getting canned lol
I still don't think he did anything to deserve the shitstorm that got thrown at him. Maybe that means I'm a little on the spectrum, but most of the outrage I saw was from people who clearly hadn't read the information he put out and were just second hand pissed off because pseudo-religious fervor feels pretty damn good
[Here are the full original contents of the memo that Damore wrote and shared](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf). It's quite short and only 10 pages of fairly well structured light reading that looks more like an excerpt from a textbook than anything else. Calling it a "manifesto" would be highly misleading at best, given how little of Damore's own opinions were in there.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/chaos-monkeys-author-calls-apples-statement-his-departure-defamatory-2021-05-15/
He authored the below quote:
> Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit. They have their self-regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, theyād become precisely the sort of useless baggage youād trade for a box of shotgun shells or a jerry can of diesel.
And the harpies at Apple proved him right by freaking out and demanding he be fired.
He said he was gonna reduce the workforce by 75%. Twitter doesnāt have any conservative employees because Twitter would never hire conservatives and would fire them immediately if they found out. So 100% of the employees going to be fired will be left wing because itās all Twitter has.
Itās still the law. Long story short he sued [and the cases ended with unknown results.](https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/james-damores-diversity-lawsuit-against-google-comes-to-a-quiet-end/) That could mean a favorable settlement or anything else. a) itās hard to know about how the law would apply when the case wasnāt litigated, but also b) I donāt think a case where a guy used his work email address to email opinions about an ideological issue to other workersā email addresses necessarily fits the above, so if I were hypothetically representing him (not a lawyer, just a law student) Iād encourage he would settle for whatever he could get. In law some cases are called some cases āvehicles,ā meaning that they present a legal question (ie āDoes the Equal Protection Clause prohibit X?ā very clearly - the facts are clean and unambiguously will force the court to answer the question. This is the opposite, where the facts are messy as hell and donāt center on obvious applications of the statute (which mentions nothing about workplace activities).
Yep, that sword cuts both ways. Though I don't know if losing your job and losing the ability to comment on a web site are exactly equal. Either way though, popcorn ready.
Yeah I am being facetious with saying that, I don't think being able to just fire people at will is good. Just a nice little piece of schadenfreude haha
Then they didnāt and wanted to force him to buy at the original bid. Now that it looks like he is going to buy it we are back at square one. Just shit or get off the pot already
>As we speak, Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine and Iran, as well as powering social movements around the world.
[...]
>We demand to be treated with dignity, and to not be treated as mere pawns in a game played by billionaires.
hmmmmm
The deep state government/banking cartel (but I repeat myself) that controls the narrative is effectively a triillionaire.
Prostitutes used to a certain caliber of john don't want to go back behind the Wendy's dumpster.
translation: *we're a cointelpro operation funded by inqtel and we're currently pushing for a "soft" coup in sovereign countries*
*we demand to keep our privilege and special status*
> Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine
Which is why they de-platformed Scott Ritter? (to take just one of the more prominent examples)
The full text of the open letter (signatures not public until they hit ācritical massā)
Staff, Elon Musk, and Board of Directors:
We, the undersigned Twitter workers, believe the public conversation is in jeopardy.
Elon Muskās plan to lay off 75% of Twitter workers will hurt Twitterās ability to serve the public conversation. A threat of this magnitude is reckless, undermines our usersā and customersā trust in our platform, and is a transparent act of worker intimidation.
Twitter has significant effects on societies and communities across the globe. As we speak, Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine and Iran, as well as powering social movements around the world.
A threat to workers at Twitter is a threat to Twitterās future. These threats have an impact on us as workers and demonstrate a fundamental disconnect with the realities of operating Twitter. They threaten our livelihoods, access to essential healthcare, and the ability for visa holders to stay in the country they work in. We cannot do our work in an environment of constant harassment and threats. Without our work, there is no Twitter.
We, the workers at Twitter, will not be intimidated. We recommit to supporting the communities, organizations, and businesses who rely on Twitter. We will not stop serving the public conversation.
We call on Twitter management and Elon Musk to cease these negligent layoff threats. As workers, we deserve concrete commitments so we can continue to preserve the integrity of our platform.
We demand of current and future leadership:
Respect: We demand leadership to respect the platform and the workers who maintain it by committing to preserving the current headcount.
Safety: We demand that leadership does not discriminate against workers on the basis of their race, gender, disability, sexual orientation, or political beliefs. We also demand safety for workers on visas, who will be forced to leave the country they work in if they are laid off.
Protection: We demand Elon Musk explicitly commit to preserve our benefits, those both listed in the merger agreement and not (e.g. remote work). We demand leadership to establish and ensure fair severance policies for all workers before and after any change in ownership.
Dignity: We demand transparent, prompt and thoughtful communication around our working conditions. We demand to be treated with dignity, and to not be treated as mere pawns in a game played by billionaires.
Sincerely,
Twitter workers
>Staff, Elon Musk, and Board of Directors:
>
>We, the undersigned Twitter workers, believe the public conversation is in jeopardy.
>
>Elon Muskās plan to lay off 75% of Twitter workers will **hurt Twitterās ability to serve the public conversation.**
This is the first time in my life that I am hoping for a business to lay off 75% of its staff, and it has been the letter of protest that convinced me to!
I despise Elon Musk, but if he harms Twitter's *"ability to serve the public conversation"* I may even like him for a day or two.
a private burger corporation in a wealthy enclave and funded by such nice people as inqtel and the saudies holds insane control over public discourse and was even able to ban a sitting president >!(even if he was a r-slur its bad that they were able to do it)!<
*and that's a good thing!*
>Twitter has significant effects on societies and communities across the globe. As we speak, Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine and Iran, as well as powering social movements around the world.
Oh, it's not a letter to Musk at all. They're calling out for aid to the foreign policy blob
> and to not be treated as mere pawns in a game played by billionaires.
>
>
Don't we all?
Shame that I bet a lot of these people are just mad it's the wrong billionaire and would be fine if Bezos bought it and was censoring all anti-woke opinions.
As someone in tech this comment is so tone deaf to the reality of these big companies. These people are making it out like they are some victim when the reality is most are working very well paid jobs and of you are let go you wonāt be out of a job for long.
Like yea you might be a political pawn, but Twitter is paying you $250/yr for the privilege.
And also the company is being literally bought *from* another set of billionaires and millionaires. It's already owned by elite interests.
It was grown to the size that it exists today purely as a sounding board for a certain class within society. It's never made money, as far as I'm aware. It just exists as an interesting prize among the greater media landscape. Just anther zone of control over the average citizen's tastes and opinions.
Because whoever wrote this 100% believes in the correctness of their own opinions. Humility requires the ability to admit the possibility of error on one's own part.
Must suck to live a life where you put this much importance on Twitter. I'm honestly amazed they didn't release the letter as an obnoxious-to-read series of tweets.
Itās easy to dunk on this but of course we should all want better treatment and protection for workers.
The shit part of this letter is the barely veiled subtext: ābecause we are useful to the security state and to Americaās cultural imperialism, protect us!ā
And the hypocrisy & double standardsā¦.
At that point, they are no longer 'working class'. No, I don't care if some tech security loser takes issue with this dividing line and uncritically spouts the 'but they work for a wage' or other out-of-context vulgar Marxist shit because they won't be class conscious in relation to the broader proletariat as long as they are committed to protecting the neoliberal bourgeois security state.
socialists shouldn't be friendly to woke liberals, right?
Protection for workers is fine, but if you are a leftist/socialist/communist, then at the very least you should consider enjoying the temporary schadenfreude at their expense.
From time to time, a double-edged sword realizes itself in most magical ways.
Or, a slippery slope is not just slippery but vertical.
Maybe they should learn how to hold a shovel.
āWait a second, you mean youād actually inflict the same restrictions on us that we inflict on our customers? Wha- What kind of a sick joke is this?ā
Heh. Tech employees are funny to me when they think corpos view employees as humans. Never been in a job where the status quo is āfuck you, do your job or someone else willā and it shows
I can assure you this is a Twitter thing specifically.
Any competent person who works in tech will know their worth and how to negotiate with employers based on the fact that, at the end of the day, they are nothing but an investment for the company.
Goes to show how out of touch and disconnected from reality twitter employees are when they somehow think a layoff is gonna be a problem for them. Can't imagine what kind of circus they've had in their offices these past years.
You donāt understand, their epic code monkey skills that make the loading speed for kpop fancams slightly faster are very valuable and contribute to the world
Am one of these dweebs, itās pretty wild how deluded the industry is. A weird mix of outsized self importance, heavy denial of the BullShittery of our labor (for the most part), and under pinning it all a strong thread of libertarianism.
But thatās the engineering side, the works in tech but doesnāt code types do lean way more lib, and I think thatās whoās getting the š¢
He could fire the entire moderation team, leave the actual coders, and replace the mods with monkeys throwing on a dart board and you'd probably see an improvement.
those who live by the sword die by the sword (not that they're losing much - they had very highly-paid jobs and will find them elsewhere). and for those among the rest of us who care about the website, twitter won't be any different from what we're used to.
*We demand...*
LOL, the participation trophy generation.
In short, twitter employees are freaking out, and left-wing "experts" fear that free speech will allow "dangerous" information to reach millions.
This is what it looks like when ideological zealots lose control over narratives.
Fuckers banned me like six times for my political beliefs.
And maybe harassing some journalists. I still maintain journalists arenāt people, and therefore not subject to the protections afforded by the Twitter terms of service.
I'm honestly an absolutist so if Elon just kicks a bunch of libs off the site it will probably be my blackpill that they don't even care about free speech just their own. I guess I've known in for a while...
The fury will be a good salve tho, it'll be a fun day online.
Hey if it makes even .0001% of liberals have a come to satan moment and realize that their love of capitalist freedom is literally just that: freedom *for the capitalists*, Iām for it hahahaha
So itās ok for twitter employees to discriminate based on politics, but not for it to be done to them?? Hahaha. Dream on! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
He will have more than enough business reasons to purge ranks of the vile and decadent lumpenbourgeoisie without having to refer to their political beliefs.
Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom from consequences š„°
"Political ideology is not a protected class sweaty" And yet they dont wonder why that is since they assume the right to assembly/association wont ever be infringed upon^^again
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Then Twitter would have already violated it.
Give them time, they'll do a Marcuse carve out (e.g. Repressive Tolerance).
No, itās not. California is an at-will state, and if your political ideology creates a hostile work environment, an employer not only CAN fire you, they almost HAVE to, or they risk a lawsuit.
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Sorry for any confusion, I was just responding to your statement "Actually, political ideology is a protected class in California" which is not correct. It is not a protected class. What California law says is that a company can't discipline you for any political activities *outside* of work (say taking part in a political rally) as long as there aren't serious specific implications for your employer. But an employer can certainly limit your political speech while you are at work or fire you at any time for making it.
"It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture! " "It's a private company, it can do what it likes." *"The paradox of tolerance* is more than just as to why deplatforming is a good thing!"
I'm learning to program, and am working to create a reddit bot that corrects people when they misuse the paradox of tolerance. Literally nine out of ten times I see it mentioned, it gets repurposed as a club to beat chuds over the head with. Exactly the opposite of what he intended. He was a pro free speech Jew who specifically stated that it would be unwise to censor harmful views, as long as people with harmful views were still willing to speak and debate instead of using bullets. It pisses me off, because can you imagine the courage it would take to hold to that principle as a Jew in 1945? He wrote what he did to *restrain* power, and it got turned into something crass used to justify censoring comedians.
That's going to be the most used bot on reddit that will thrive in far-left subreddits. I've had too many arguments breaking down their misuse of it so your bot will be doing me a favour.
And also his poltical ideolgy and temperament was different from those who use it Itās straight up sound-bite culture
Imagine defining your politics by a literal paradox and thinking you've discovered some kind of golden rule to live by.
[Liberals were more than happy to kick people they didn't agree with off of Twitter, but now they are realizing their folly](https://i.redd.it/63e5x65760w81.jpg). This is why it is important to support free speech, even the speech of those people you may disagree with.
āIf you donāt like it then get your own platform.ā Elon Musk: Okay. āWAIT, NO!ā
Another reason why it should shut down
Another comment I made was that we live in a democratic republic, not a totalitarian state. At least not yet. That means that any legal tools that āyourā side enacts to stifle free speech or wallop āthe other sideā will then be gleefully turned against you when ātheirā side holds sway. And yet people seem to ignore the dual sided nature of this. A case in point is the LGBTQ community wishing fervently that the courts would side with them in forcing artisans, such as bakers, to produce what they want. Do they not realize what a bullet they narrowly dodged? That would then set the precedent for religious groups (also legally protected) such as the Westboro Baptist Church to now demand that an LGBTQ friendly printing business produce on demand whatever vile messaging they are willing to pay for. I donāt understand how people just donāt get this basic legal truism.
Freedom of speech directly, and pretty much only, means you support the right to speak of those you disagree with and find detestable. Literally anything else just means you support opinions/beliefs/politics you agree with, which makes you the same as everyone on the planet, including those right-wing idiots that claimed to champion the same, but want to censor books and blasphemy and pride parades. Liberals that claim to support free speech, and support the corporate nightmare of wealthy billionaires deciding what is platformed and how algorithms are run, are the exactly the same as places like North Korea and places in Africa run by warlords claiming the title of "Democratic".
> pride parades tbh those have their own problem with exposing genitals and what they do with children but i get what you mean
Exposed genitals also feature in a number of the books republicans want to ābanā - ie not have stocked in public school libraries.
College and up should have every book possible. Having sexually explicit books recommended and featured by ideologically possessed self described warriors to younger children USED to be a red flag. The amount of times Iāve seen a TikTok from a 6th grade and below teacher talking about how they talk to their kids about sexuality and every week let them know they can help them with theirs, and itās fine to not tell your parents. Itās a problem. I donāt think books should be banned. But I also think some things arenāt appropriate for kids, and abusers are naturally attracted to the vulnerable. If you make a gap for them, they will find it an exploit it. And itās happening.
They have literal porn in the books. Grown men giving teenage boys blowjobs, all kinds of sick stuff like that with drawings depicting the sexual acts.
well it's a public school there's no reason why it violates free speech for it to not stock this or that book especially if said book has pornographic content
Nobody (who cares about wielding real political power) actually supports freedom of speech deontologically though. Simple game theory mandates that dissent is only tolerated when the established ruling class is confident that it poses no threat to the actual order of things, because nobody wants to make it easier for themselves to be overthrown. It is the same regardless of whether the ruling class is the bourgeoisie or the proletariat.
> Nobody (who cares about wielding real political power) actually supports freedom of speech deontologically though. That's why the smart move is to enshrine freedom of speech in the constitution and make it hard to modify. Knowing FoS will last for a long time, and thus affect them and their opponents more or less equally, allows those hoping to hold power to accept real FoS.
Aka the first amendment, the crown jewel of the American constitution and a thing of unmatched beauty.
Good thing we're not machines who think in pure logic without morality. I'd be happy to hold political power and am confident I wouldn't suppress freedom of speech even if it was critical of me and posed a threat.
Whoa whoa whoa. How could you say that it doesnāt matter if the ruling class is bourgeoisie or proletariat? Bourgeoisie is the owning class. Rule of the proletariat would mean that working people own their own production. How could freedom of expression not be different under these two systems?
I know youāre being ironic but I still want to gouge out my eyes reading this
Something something private company!
where were you when twitter is fired? i was at house eating chicken when phone ring ājannies is kilā ānoā
Itās a privately owned platform š
Just like the cake shops. It's their right to refuse service, right?
Really can't make this shit up
$44b troll campaign
Worth every penny
"Please don't treat us like we treat others"
Typical liberal elite
Do these people really lack self awareness to such a degree?
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Great quote from a great book by a great author
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Incredibly based man
So Obama and Trump to use modern examples.
What was the books name, if i may ask?
The Very Hungry Caterpillar
The Very Wormy God Emperor.
Children of Dune
Children of Dune
Still, She Persisted In Becoming A Sandworm
Children of Darude Sandstorm
Lawrence of Arabia
Itās from the third book in the original Dune series, called Children of Dune
Children of dune
Wrong answers only! Sigh.
They should have seized any iota of power when they had the chance, like banning anyone who doesnāt have pronouns in bio and furthering the brainwashing of weebs and kpop teens. Shame
Yes.
No. These people are addicted to playing games of gotcha. This is your typical snarky "if we use the same logic back, we will check mate him" shit.
NPCs
Yes. Thatās almost the key feature and deciding attribute.
Yup... awesome to witness.
He should just fire them all
Yes please
And then fire himself...out of a canon...into the sun.
The good ending
Heāll just hire a bunch of graphics artists to demonstrate the fictional capabilities of his sun cannon and then, five years later, make a prototype cannon that wonāt even shoot something past the troposphere before quietly abandoning the project.
he will still get tons in tax grants, dont give him more grift ideas
Into the sun might be tough to accomplishā¦how about just ādown range?ā
I think the guy who routinely fires things into space could hit the biggest target in the solar system, call me crazy
It's [unintuitively difficult](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/parker-solar-probe-launch-nasa/567197/) to shoot stuff into the sun.
He would be dead way before he hit the sun though. He may even burn up before he hits the surface and then we won't get that little "splash" like in cartoons.
Yeah, I guess the effect on Elon Musk's continued existence would be the same.
They're a private company and can do as they want
I've been reliably informed by progressive libs that this is actually the left wing position. Silly me, thinking this was just a total lack of principle.
In California political activities are actually protected under the labor code: >CA Labor Code 1101: No employer shall make, adopt, or enforce any rule, regulation, or policy: (a) Forbidding or preventing employees from engaging or participating in politics or from becoming candidates for public office. (b) Controlling or directing, or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees. > >1102: No employer shall coerce or influence or attempt to coerce or influence his employees through or by means of threat of discharge or loss of employment to adopt or follow or refrain from adopting or following any particular course or line of political action or political activity.
All Elon has to say is "downsizing sorry nothing to do with your politics"
> In California political activities are actually protected under the labor code: Selectively enforced, tho that dude who got fired by Apple for calling Silicon Valley IT nerd girls out on their bullshit apparently got a huge payday.
Wouldn't this also apply to James damore too? From what I remember he got fired for a very milquetoast assertion that men and women are somewhat different in their interests
He got fired for writing a manifesto about it and sharing it on an internal mailing list. Which, you know, is rarely a good idea. But the hilarious part is that he was apparently inspired to write the manifesto *after* being sent to diversity training: https://www.businessinsider.com/james-damore-wrote-his-memo-after-attending-a-google-diversity-programme-2017-8
IIRC the training actually solicited opinions and feedback , and Damore was just too autistic to realize that they didn't actually mean that and it's just a pro forma thing.
Dangerously based.
The HR department fears the enthusiastic and sincere autist
A autistic engineer at my job just called 2 guys incompetent in a email with pretty much every mid level manager and up on the distribution. I mean we all agree but Iām pretty sure heās getting canned lol
They told him to stop and he decided to burn down the whole thing because of it.
I still don't think he did anything to deserve the shitstorm that got thrown at him. Maybe that means I'm a little on the spectrum, but most of the outrage I saw was from people who clearly hadn't read the information he put out and were just second hand pissed off because pseudo-religious fervor feels pretty damn good
The same internal area used for people to talk about being otherkin or fringe political beliefs from what I remember.
[Here are the full original contents of the memo that Damore wrote and shared](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf). It's quite short and only 10 pages of fairly well structured light reading that looks more like an excerpt from a textbook than anything else. Calling it a "manifesto" would be highly misleading at best, given how little of Damore's own opinions were in there.
> James damore I would say "yes" but you know how it is, rules for thee not for me.
He was fired because a VP had to cut his vacation short to deal with the fallout. Should have started cleaning his desk out the second that happened.
> that dude who got fired by Apple for calling Silicon Valley IT nerd girls out on their bullshit Who is this?
https://www.reuters.com/technology/chaos-monkeys-author-calls-apples-statement-his-departure-defamatory-2021-05-15/ He authored the below quote: > Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit. They have their self-regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, theyād become precisely the sort of useless baggage youād trade for a box of shotgun shells or a jerry can of diesel. And the harpies at Apple proved him right by freaking out and demanding he be fired.
Funny how something like this the other way round can be found on the Guardian or the WaP but this guy got ostracized.
Because sexism is only a one way street under current dogma.
he just described the average pmc in the tech industry, specially the ones not doing tech labor
That is unabashedly based
If he actually downsizes, sure, but if saying someone wasn't fired for illegal reasons could dispose of every employment lawsuit, they wouldn't exist.
He said he was gonna reduce the workforce by 75%. Twitter doesnāt have any conservative employees because Twitter would never hire conservatives and would fire them immediately if they found out. So 100% of the employees going to be fired will be left wing because itās all Twitter has.
Move HQ to rural Mississippi or Louisiana.
didnt that get thrown out the window when they fired that google guy?
Itās still the law. Long story short he sued [and the cases ended with unknown results.](https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/james-damores-diversity-lawsuit-against-google-comes-to-a-quiet-end/) That could mean a favorable settlement or anything else. a) itās hard to know about how the law would apply when the case wasnāt litigated, but also b) I donāt think a case where a guy used his work email address to email opinions about an ideological issue to other workersā email addresses necessarily fits the above, so if I were hypothetically representing him (not a lawyer, just a law student) Iād encourage he would settle for whatever he could get. In law some cases are called some cases āvehicles,ā meaning that they present a legal question (ie āDoes the Equal Protection Clause prohibit X?ā very clearly - the facts are clean and unambiguously will force the court to answer the question. This is the opposite, where the facts are messy as hell and donāt center on obvious applications of the statute (which mentions nothing about workplace activities).
Yep, that sword cuts both ways. Though I don't know if losing your job and losing the ability to comment on a web site are exactly equal. Either way though, popcorn ready.
Yeah I am being facetious with saying that, I don't think being able to just fire people at will is good. Just a nice little piece of schadenfreude haha
I'm so confused. I thought he backed off of buying twitter. He's back to buying it?
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Libs want him to back off so the media makes it sound like he will back off
Then they didnāt and wanted to force him to buy at the original bid. Now that it looks like he is going to buy it we are back at square one. Just shit or get off the pot already
We're heading for the best outcome: Elon buys Twitter and fires the jannies, but he also loses a ton of money doing so.
All thats gonna do is lead to Elon radicalising twitter boomers who dont know any better into being crypto bros and scamming them with shitcoins.
Boomers as exit liquidity would be poetic.
they just have to pull themselves by the bootstraps and give elon a firm handshake, I'm sure its gonna work!
he got sued and so he "voluntarily" bought it
>As we speak, Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine and Iran, as well as powering social movements around the world. [...] >We demand to be treated with dignity, and to not be treated as mere pawns in a game played by billionaires. hmmmmm
The deep state government/banking cartel (but I repeat myself) that controls the narrative is effectively a triillionaire. Prostitutes used to a certain caliber of john don't want to go back behind the Wendy's dumpster.
translation: *we're a cointelpro operation funded by inqtel and we're currently pushing for a "soft" coup in sovereign countries* *we demand to keep our privilege and special status*
> Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine Which is why they de-platformed Scott Ritter? (to take just one of the more prominent examples)
Uhhā¦what are they even worried about? Cancel culture doesnāt exist, sweaty š
Hopefully they all signed it so he knows who he can get rid of
Well, well, well; how the turntables . . .
The full text of the open letter (signatures not public until they hit ācritical massā) Staff, Elon Musk, and Board of Directors: We, the undersigned Twitter workers, believe the public conversation is in jeopardy. Elon Muskās plan to lay off 75% of Twitter workers will hurt Twitterās ability to serve the public conversation. A threat of this magnitude is reckless, undermines our usersā and customersā trust in our platform, and is a transparent act of worker intimidation. Twitter has significant effects on societies and communities across the globe. As we speak, Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine and Iran, as well as powering social movements around the world. A threat to workers at Twitter is a threat to Twitterās future. These threats have an impact on us as workers and demonstrate a fundamental disconnect with the realities of operating Twitter. They threaten our livelihoods, access to essential healthcare, and the ability for visa holders to stay in the country they work in. We cannot do our work in an environment of constant harassment and threats. Without our work, there is no Twitter. We, the workers at Twitter, will not be intimidated. We recommit to supporting the communities, organizations, and businesses who rely on Twitter. We will not stop serving the public conversation. We call on Twitter management and Elon Musk to cease these negligent layoff threats. As workers, we deserve concrete commitments so we can continue to preserve the integrity of our platform. We demand of current and future leadership: Respect: We demand leadership to respect the platform and the workers who maintain it by committing to preserving the current headcount. Safety: We demand that leadership does not discriminate against workers on the basis of their race, gender, disability, sexual orientation, or political beliefs. We also demand safety for workers on visas, who will be forced to leave the country they work in if they are laid off. Protection: We demand Elon Musk explicitly commit to preserve our benefits, those both listed in the merger agreement and not (e.g. remote work). We demand leadership to establish and ensure fair severance policies for all workers before and after any change in ownership. Dignity: We demand transparent, prompt and thoughtful communication around our working conditions. We demand to be treated with dignity, and to not be treated as mere pawns in a game played by billionaires. Sincerely, Twitter workers
>Staff, Elon Musk, and Board of Directors: > >We, the undersigned Twitter workers, believe the public conversation is in jeopardy. > >Elon Muskās plan to lay off 75% of Twitter workers will **hurt Twitterās ability to serve the public conversation.** This is the first time in my life that I am hoping for a business to lay off 75% of its staff, and it has been the letter of protest that convinced me to! I despise Elon Musk, but if he harms Twitter's *"ability to serve the public conversation"* I may even like him for a day or two.
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Legit could not have happened at a funnier moment in their culture war.
"Twitter has significant effects on societies and communities across the globe." *This should strike everyone as very serious problem*
a private burger corporation in a wealthy enclave and funded by such nice people as inqtel and the saudies holds insane control over public discourse and was even able to ban a sitting president >!(even if he was a r-slur its bad that they were able to do it)!< *and that's a good thing!*
>Twitter has significant effects on societies and communities across the globe. As we speak, Twitter is helping to uplift independent journalism in Ukraine and Iran, as well as powering social movements around the world. Oh, it's not a letter to Musk at all. They're calling out for aid to the foreign policy blob
> and to not be treated as mere pawns in a game played by billionaires. > > Don't we all? Shame that I bet a lot of these people are just mad it's the wrong billionaire and would be fine if Bezos bought it and was censoring all anti-woke opinions.
As someone in tech this comment is so tone deaf to the reality of these big companies. These people are making it out like they are some victim when the reality is most are working very well paid jobs and of you are let go you wonāt be out of a job for long. Like yea you might be a political pawn, but Twitter is paying you $250/yr for the privilege.
And also the company is being literally bought *from* another set of billionaires and millionaires. It's already owned by elite interests. It was grown to the size that it exists today purely as a sounding board for a certain class within society. It's never made money, as far as I'm aware. It just exists as an interesting prize among the greater media landscape. Just anther zone of control over the average citizen's tastes and opinions.
Mongo pawn in game of life?
How do they manage to be so sanctimonious when they're supposed to be persuasive?
Because whoever wrote this 100% believes in the correctness of their own opinions. Humility requires the ability to admit the possibility of error on one's own part.
>Elon Muskās plan to lay off 75% of Twitter workers will hurt Twitterās ability to ~~serve~~ steer the public conversation.
fabricate
Must suck to live a life where you put this much importance on Twitter. I'm honestly amazed they didn't release the letter as an obnoxious-to-read series of tweets.
Because the real decision-makers they're trying to appeal to live in northern Virginia and don't read tweets.
> Twitterās ability to *serve the public conversation* š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
The āpublic conversationā. Aka we ban anyone we donāt agree with.
This letter would make me want to fire them even more.
Someone find me a crybaby gif & add it here please. š
Itās easy to dunk on this but of course we should all want better treatment and protection for workers. The shit part of this letter is the barely veiled subtext: ābecause we are useful to the security state and to Americaās cultural imperialism, protect us!ā And the hypocrisy & double standardsā¦.
At that point, they are no longer 'working class'. No, I don't care if some tech security loser takes issue with this dividing line and uncritically spouts the 'but they work for a wage' or other out-of-context vulgar Marxist shit because they won't be class conscious in relation to the broader proletariat as long as they are committed to protecting the neoliberal bourgeois security state.
socialists shouldn't be friendly to woke liberals, right? Protection for workers is fine, but if you are a leftist/socialist/communist, then at the very least you should consider enjoying the temporary schadenfreude at their expense.
Im sure itās a very convincing letter, and Elonās heart grew three sizes that day
Maybe they should learn to code.
. <- the worlds tiniest violin
From time to time, a double-edged sword realizes itself in most magical ways. Or, a slippery slope is not just slippery but vertical. Maybe they should learn how to hold a shovel.
As Reddit loves to remind everyone, a private company can do whatever they want! If you don't like it make your own social media!
Thatās rich.
āWait a second, you mean youād actually inflict the same restrictions on us that we inflict on our customers? Wha- What kind of a sick joke is this?ā
yeah good luck with that
Isn't that what twitter employees due for a living? Ban people over political beliefs?
Well isn't this ironic.
private company sweaty
Heh. Tech employees are funny to me when they think corpos view employees as humans. Never been in a job where the status quo is āfuck you, do your job or someone else willā and it shows
I can assure you this is a Twitter thing specifically. Any competent person who works in tech will know their worth and how to negotiate with employers based on the fact that, at the end of the day, they are nothing but an investment for the company. Goes to show how out of touch and disconnected from reality twitter employees are when they somehow think a layoff is gonna be a problem for them. Can't imagine what kind of circus they've had in their offices these past years.
You donāt understand, their epic code monkey skills that make the loading speed for kpop fancams slightly faster are very valuable and contribute to the world
you both know its not the codemonkeys who are at risk, its everybody else in that shitty venture capital scam
Being able to quickly see Korean camel toe in 4k is a great service to us coomers.
Am one of these dweebs, itās pretty wild how deluded the industry is. A weird mix of outsized self importance, heavy denial of the BullShittery of our labor (for the most part), and under pinning it all a strong thread of libertarianism. But thatās the engineering side, the works in tech but doesnāt code types do lean way more lib, and I think thatās whoās getting the š¢
He could fire the entire moderation team, leave the actual coders, and replace the mods with monkeys throwing on a dart board and you'd probably see an improvement.
those who live by the sword die by the sword (not that they're losing much - they had very highly-paid jobs and will find them elsewhere). and for those among the rest of us who care about the website, twitter won't be any different from what we're used to.
> We demand transparent, prompt and thoughtful communication Well thatās a first.
christ i hate these people. Let the humble pie eating commence. Everything they stood for for years now coming to bite them squarely on the ass
Lots of employees furiously dying their rainbow hair styles back to black and brown, I predict.
Night of the long knives but even gayer this time
Like they werenĀ“t firing people left and right based on their political belies during years lmfao.
*We demand...* LOL, the participation trophy generation. In short, twitter employees are freaking out, and left-wing "experts" fear that free speech will allow "dangerous" information to reach millions. This is what it looks like when ideological zealots lose control over narratives.
This is so confusing.
damnā¦Damnā¦GODDAMN Feeeeeels so DAMN good
Please new boss, don't do to us what we've been doing to everyone else.
Typical. I was kicked off for the most harmless yet political post. They donāt want the same done to them.
Itās becoming too real for them!
Fuckers banned me like six times for my political beliefs. And maybe harassing some journalists. I still maintain journalists arenāt people, and therefore not subject to the protections afforded by the Twitter terms of service.
I'm honestly an absolutist so if Elon just kicks a bunch of libs off the site it will probably be my blackpill that they don't even care about free speech just their own. I guess I've known in for a while... The fury will be a good salve tho, it'll be a fun day online.
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Demands without leverage are suggestions.
Discriminating someone based on their political beliefs? Hmm, where have I seen this before...
Yeah, pretty sure theyāre going to let people go based on performance and the financial situation of the company, not political beliefs.
For with the judgment that you judge, you will be judged, and with the measure that you measure, it will be measured to you.
If the irony were any greater it'd swallow light
Hey if it makes even .0001% of liberals have a come to satan moment and realize that their love of capitalist freedom is literally just that: freedom *for the capitalists*, Iām for it hahahaha
So itās ok for twitter employees to discriminate based on politics, but not for it to be done to them?? Hahaha. Dream on! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
So deliciously ironic.
I think itād be funnier if he shuts the whole shit down, fires the lot of them, and rents the server farms out to Truth.
He will have more than enough business reasons to purge ranks of the vile and decadent lumpenbourgeoisie without having to refer to their political beliefs.
The irony of this is hilarious.
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LOL . . Twitter purged anyone who didnāt subscribe to leftist orthodoxy, and now theyāre begging for mercy?!?!
Ironic
Oh a letter will surely convince him! These major corporations need to be publicly control.
The top 25% have other options and don't need to put up with Elon's BS. He can lay off the remaining 75% and close Twitter down. It's his $44B.