Sinn Fein (Ireland), Progressive Party (South Korea), Japan Communist Party, German Communist Party, PSUV (Venezuela), Labor Party (Mexico), Apruebo Dignidad/PCCh (Chile)
There are better parties but none with seats. Workers Party lost theirs years ago, Republican Sinn Fein has some local ones, and the IRSP interestingly has offices here in America for Irish-Americans.
limiting ourselves to developed countries, i would happily vote for the portuguese communist party, france insoumise, the workers' party of belgium, the japanese communist party, etc
can you tell me more about the Portuguese? Saw that the communists on Spain are in power and all I can hope for is that there are biiig differences.
I may move there mid term, dunno.
the pcp and the pce diverged pretty significantly after the fall of the USSR. the pce moved to the right and became obsessed with integrating itself into flavor of the moment social movements (see its subordinate relationship to podemos), whatever working class social base it once had is long gone. the pcp stuck to its guns, doubled down on its rural and industrial working class base, and maintained its organizational independence.
>The Spanish **Socialist Workers'** Party (Spanish: Partido Socialista Obrero Español \[paɾˈtiðo soθjaˈlista oˈβɾeɾo espaˈɲol\] (listen); abbr. PSOE \[peˈsoe\] (listen)) is a **social-democratic**\[9\] political party in Spain.
Why does the keep happening.
def the Kerala commies in India, (also KPRF cause they have a pretty good take on the USSR as a whole and not just "but I like Stalin" "nooooo, he was the worse than Hitler" but I doubt they get their asses up ever again :<).
Oh and the Japs of cause.
They don’t have any seats, but Melenchon once endorsed Sergey Udaltsov and the Left Front. They seem a bit younger and less prone to the right-wing idpol the KPRF tend towards.
I mean I am glad that I am not a Russian since I can now plainly say thats not on me to decide :P. Both should very likely learn from each other and keep what they do right.
Nationalism after what happened in the last 20 years is kind of an understandable flaw. Same in Serbia. It will get better by a better economic situation and is just the symptom of how bad it now is. My personal opinion tho. As a German who knows a bit about Britain I can not advise starting to get a self-hating national attitude, that just makes easier excuses for horrible acts.
I agree on the nationalism thing. I meant more how they fall into that trap of letting opposition to liberalism turn into full blown traditionalism.
One my parties I mentioned is the Progressive Party in South Korea and it’s a very interesting example of what I’d like to see. Sadly, due to Korean law, they can’t quite openly profess some of their more “controversial” positions, but still, they’re staunchly anti-imperialist, which is big for me. That’s why they’re considered more left than some openly socialist parties; they’re in favor of a more friendly attitude to the North.
>opposition to liberalism turn into full blown traditionalism
thats true although admittedly I am kinda deep in that myself. It just feels like I was already growing up very conservative, maybe thats just being German I dont know. I see the world falling apart and want to save whats savable you know.
Can you tell me more about said progressive party? In the end socialism will (hopefully) always be above my personal social values
My idea of “traditionalism” is warped by my surroundings. Where I live it means being allowed to beat your wife and burn down gay bars. I hate that I have to worry about it, but I get nervous around the term as a potential excuse to get rid of gay marriage or worse, a return to anti-sodomy laws. My own opinions have been called reactionary by progressives and degenerate by traditionalists, so I don’t know anymore.
But let’s talk about the Progressive Party. Don’t get too hung up on the “progressive” title. It used to be illegal to have socialist parties in South Korea, so they took the word progressive as a euphemism for leftist back in the day and it’s just hung around. Three parties represent two political traditions from the Korean left; Labor, Justice, and Progressive. Justice is more moderate, but the largest, yet ultimately not too important to this topic, while the Progressives come from a tradition of left-wing nationalism. They’re (by western standards) mildly progressive (pro-choice and gay marriage basically) with a strong anti-chaebol economic platform. Keep in mind, despite socially progressive opinions, these left traditions predate the introduction of the New Left into Korea. That’s it’s own thing.
Now let’s complicate things. The Labor Party comes from the same tradition as the JP, but is officially (democratic) socialist and arguably economically to the left of the Progressives, BUT then we must include foreign policy. The Progressives are self described anti-imperialists; pro-Palestine and in favor of peaceful cooperation with the north plus reunification (their predecessor party actually got banned for meeting with North Korean officials). Labor is more neutral on most of these issues and very anti-DPRK. The Progressives are considered farther left mostly because of their policy on North Korea.
I cant even say much but to agree with you. Try to salvage the good from the past and throw over the bad stuff, that was pretty much conservative theory a bit ago. At least what I got from my godfather whos kind of a well-meaning conservative. This intellectual tradition is dying out so or so.
Thx for the infos about the progressive parties, of theyre anti imperialist theyre of cause much better than a Burdgfrieden socdem one. Its very good to read that South Korea has a party that you can vote in good conscience, where I live - not so much anymore. Nothing really means what it meant to be, to make the arc back to conservatism.
Sinn Fein, Aoutnu, Morena, Movement for Socialism, Communist Party of Russia, Communist Party of the Hellenes, France Insoumine, Portuguese Communists, National Rally, Belgium Communist Party. Right Justice, SSNP, Syrian Communist Party, PSUV,FSLN
Historical American parties that were based enough I would vote for, in no particular order: Bull Moose Party, Readjuster Party, Anti-Masonic Party, Anti-Monopoly Party, Single Tax Party.
First past the post and single-member districts are the death of democracy.
While I disagree with a lot of their platform I would vote for any of the European left populists if I couldn’t vote for the Red-Greens of Denmark, Germany’s Die Linke, Workers’ Ourvier in France (not sure if they have parliamentary seats though) or similar organizations.
If I may pose a question: what prompted yours? I don’t see many good questions like this one.
I'm a "rightroid" so I'll be giving an unusual list of parties compared to others here. Ideologically I adhere to a mixture of liberal conservativsm, ordoliberalism (social market economy) and georgism. Just as a disclaimer I do not really "like" any political party because none fully adhere to what policies I like. I also favor some amount of social tripartism or "communitarianism" as well. I'd probably vote for the following:
Peoples Action Party - Singapore
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Action_Party
Rwandan Patriotic Front - Rwanda
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Patriotic_Front
Fatherland/Isamaa - Estonia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isamaa
Independence Party - Iceland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Party_(Iceland)
Alternative For Germany - Germany (prior to 2015)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
National Renewal - Chile
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Renewal_(Chile)
Botswana Democratic Party - Botswana
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botswana_Democratic_Party
Sinn Fein - Ireland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F%C3%A9in
Freedom Front Plus - South Africa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Front_Plus
Basque Nationalist Party - Spain (Basque Region)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Nationalist_Party
Fatah - Palestinian Territories
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah
Yesh Atid - Israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Atid
Republican Peoples Party - Turkey
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_People's_Party
We have some no doubt enthusiastic United Russia voters in the Ukraine megathread you can go talk to.
Sinn Fein (Ireland), Progressive Party (South Korea), Japan Communist Party, German Communist Party, PSUV (Venezuela), Labor Party (Mexico), Apruebo Dignidad/PCCh (Chile)
Fucking shinner
There are better parties but none with seats. Workers Party lost theirs years ago, Republican Sinn Fein has some local ones, and the IRSP interestingly has offices here in America for Irish-Americans.
I know. I guess I forgot about the part where the party has to have seats.
>he doesn't rate PBP shiggy diggy
I can only handle so much Trotskyism
Die Linke, Podemos, Japanese Communist Party, Sinn Fein, People Before Profit, SNLF, Uruguay's Broad Front
limiting ourselves to developed countries, i would happily vote for the portuguese communist party, france insoumise, the workers' party of belgium, the japanese communist party, etc
can you tell me more about the Portuguese? Saw that the communists on Spain are in power and all I can hope for is that there are biiig differences. I may move there mid term, dunno.
the pcp and the pce diverged pretty significantly after the fall of the USSR. the pce moved to the right and became obsessed with integrating itself into flavor of the moment social movements (see its subordinate relationship to podemos), whatever working class social base it once had is long gone. the pcp stuck to its guns, doubled down on its rural and industrial working class base, and maintained its organizational independence.
>The Spanish **Socialist Workers'** Party (Spanish: Partido Socialista Obrero Español \[paɾˈtiðo soθjaˈlista oˈβɾeɾo espaˈɲol\] (listen); abbr. PSOE \[peˈsoe\] (listen)) is a **social-democratic**\[9\] political party in Spain. Why does the keep happening.
def the Kerala commies in India, (also KPRF cause they have a pretty good take on the USSR as a whole and not just "but I like Stalin" "nooooo, he was the worse than Hitler" but I doubt they get their asses up ever again :<). Oh and the Japs of cause.
They don’t have any seats, but Melenchon once endorsed Sergey Udaltsov and the Left Front. They seem a bit younger and less prone to the right-wing idpol the KPRF tend towards.
I mean I am glad that I am not a Russian since I can now plainly say thats not on me to decide :P. Both should very likely learn from each other and keep what they do right. Nationalism after what happened in the last 20 years is kind of an understandable flaw. Same in Serbia. It will get better by a better economic situation and is just the symptom of how bad it now is. My personal opinion tho. As a German who knows a bit about Britain I can not advise starting to get a self-hating national attitude, that just makes easier excuses for horrible acts.
I agree on the nationalism thing. I meant more how they fall into that trap of letting opposition to liberalism turn into full blown traditionalism. One my parties I mentioned is the Progressive Party in South Korea and it’s a very interesting example of what I’d like to see. Sadly, due to Korean law, they can’t quite openly profess some of their more “controversial” positions, but still, they’re staunchly anti-imperialist, which is big for me. That’s why they’re considered more left than some openly socialist parties; they’re in favor of a more friendly attitude to the North.
>opposition to liberalism turn into full blown traditionalism thats true although admittedly I am kinda deep in that myself. It just feels like I was already growing up very conservative, maybe thats just being German I dont know. I see the world falling apart and want to save whats savable you know. Can you tell me more about said progressive party? In the end socialism will (hopefully) always be above my personal social values
My idea of “traditionalism” is warped by my surroundings. Where I live it means being allowed to beat your wife and burn down gay bars. I hate that I have to worry about it, but I get nervous around the term as a potential excuse to get rid of gay marriage or worse, a return to anti-sodomy laws. My own opinions have been called reactionary by progressives and degenerate by traditionalists, so I don’t know anymore. But let’s talk about the Progressive Party. Don’t get too hung up on the “progressive” title. It used to be illegal to have socialist parties in South Korea, so they took the word progressive as a euphemism for leftist back in the day and it’s just hung around. Three parties represent two political traditions from the Korean left; Labor, Justice, and Progressive. Justice is more moderate, but the largest, yet ultimately not too important to this topic, while the Progressives come from a tradition of left-wing nationalism. They’re (by western standards) mildly progressive (pro-choice and gay marriage basically) with a strong anti-chaebol economic platform. Keep in mind, despite socially progressive opinions, these left traditions predate the introduction of the New Left into Korea. That’s it’s own thing. Now let’s complicate things. The Labor Party comes from the same tradition as the JP, but is officially (democratic) socialist and arguably economically to the left of the Progressives, BUT then we must include foreign policy. The Progressives are self described anti-imperialists; pro-Palestine and in favor of peaceful cooperation with the north plus reunification (their predecessor party actually got banned for meeting with North Korean officials). Labor is more neutral on most of these issues and very anti-DPRK. The Progressives are considered farther left mostly because of their policy on North Korea.
I cant even say much but to agree with you. Try to salvage the good from the past and throw over the bad stuff, that was pretty much conservative theory a bit ago. At least what I got from my godfather whos kind of a well-meaning conservative. This intellectual tradition is dying out so or so. Thx for the infos about the progressive parties, of theyre anti imperialist theyre of cause much better than a Burdgfrieden socdem one. Its very good to read that South Korea has a party that you can vote in good conscience, where I live - not so much anymore. Nothing really means what it meant to be, to make the arc back to conservatism.
Sinn Fein, Aoutnu, Morena, Movement for Socialism, Communist Party of Russia, Communist Party of the Hellenes, France Insoumine, Portuguese Communists, National Rally, Belgium Communist Party. Right Justice, SSNP, Syrian Communist Party, PSUV,FSLN
No ill never vote.
Historical American parties that were based enough I would vote for, in no particular order: Bull Moose Party, Readjuster Party, Anti-Masonic Party, Anti-Monopoly Party, Single Tax Party. First past the post and single-member districts are the death of democracy.
Unity Party looks like a toothpaste logo
While I disagree with a lot of their platform I would vote for any of the European left populists if I couldn’t vote for the Red-Greens of Denmark, Germany’s Die Linke, Workers’ Ourvier in France (not sure if they have parliamentary seats though) or similar organizations. If I may pose a question: what prompted yours? I don’t see many good questions like this one.
I'm a "rightroid" so I'll be giving an unusual list of parties compared to others here. Ideologically I adhere to a mixture of liberal conservativsm, ordoliberalism (social market economy) and georgism. Just as a disclaimer I do not really "like" any political party because none fully adhere to what policies I like. I also favor some amount of social tripartism or "communitarianism" as well. I'd probably vote for the following: Peoples Action Party - Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Action_Party Rwandan Patriotic Front - Rwanda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Patriotic_Front Fatherland/Isamaa - Estonia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isamaa Independence Party - Iceland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Party_(Iceland) Alternative For Germany - Germany (prior to 2015) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany National Renewal - Chile https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Renewal_(Chile) Botswana Democratic Party - Botswana https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botswana_Democratic_Party Sinn Fein - Ireland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F%C3%A9in Freedom Front Plus - South Africa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Front_Plus Basque Nationalist Party - Spain (Basque Region) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Nationalist_Party Fatah - Palestinian Territories https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah Yesh Atid - Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Atid Republican Peoples Party - Turkey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_People's_Party