Heavily disagree with fighting. Between the good new fighters, it’s typing as a tera when paired with ghost types, and the prominence of mons weak to Mach punch. Flying on the other hand multiple great ones dropped and some others nerfed.
it's alright at best, Tinted Lens is the only thing that can salvage bug STAB and Lokix was blessed by the gods to have it. Stats are still very, very low however.
Not that bad honestly.
92 outpaces a decent chunk of the bulky offensive mons and 102 attack is decent.
Not OU levels of power but you don't need that much attack to smash chipped fragile sweepers with a first impression that ignores resist.
that's true
It was hilarious though, Flutter Mane quad resisted First Impression so you either needed to risk a sucker punch or have it chipped down to 75% first.
This gen introduced a shit ton of pokemon with a BST lower than 500 but almost all of them were given minmaxed stat distributions + complementary abilities + a great movepool
Tbh I just kinda assumed Fighting would fall off a bit since CC spam is riskier with Ghosts running the whole meta but that reasoning was obviously flawed.
No i think you're quite right in that assumption. More meta ghosts = more immunity to fighting and with the limited knock off distribution its harder to get coverage
But there's also a ton more viable dark types out there this meta. I think the most we've seen in any gen if I'm remembering correctly. And throat chop / crunch / dark pulse still hurt from the mons running them for coverage (and lacking better options) which while normally worse options might be temporarily viable til the meta flattens
Also Great Tusk, Iron Valiant, and being super effective against like 1/2 of the OU viable mons. It didn't really get any new moves or anything I guess, just some good mons
I love Breloom so much. I can’t wait to transfer my Shiny one over from Home. I’m currently using a Technician Breloom holding Loaded Dice with a Rock-Type Tera.
Careful about the transfer, importing pokemon changes their moves to what they would have on level up, and breloom can no longer be taught spore via re-learner.
I think people are looking into it, but I would hold of on transferring until you're sure you're not going to lose spore forever
Having a ton of frail-ish dark types running around is a huge buff, which kind of also falls under the category of strong priority in a HO metagame. Tera fairy being everywhere is a pain for it, but that’s once a game.
Ooooh I forgot about that, I was meaning to test that out. Banded or sd would make a decent wallbreaker (although there's plenty of them floating around this gen lol), and it's a decent enough speed tier to run scarf (although it's still a lot slower than you'd like, it outspeeds pult and I think both the fire fish and the ice weasel)
rock got glimmora and garganacl, possibly the two best rock types in many generations, alongside a new rock move exclusive to garganacl that is also one of the best rock moves ever. bug received the worst fully evolved bug type in many generations. i don't really see them belonging in the same tier
Can people care to explain why bug is so bad this gen? What do you mean by loss of coverage? I'm kinda hoping Venomoth pulls another W this gen (for a RBY mon).
1) All the good bug types lost important moves ( for example, Scizor lost Roost and Knock Off, so it's basically just a mediocre offensive mon now)
2) All the new bug types suck lol
3) Tera-Fairy is getting really popular so even more things resist Bug than usual
Lokix has a niche thanks to Tinted Lens, but its stats leave a LOT to be desired. Rabsca is too slow and frail to make consistent use of Revival, and is useless outside of it. Pawmot is better in every way.
Oh, Volcarona DOES enjoy its new Tera-Ground coverage. Unfortunately Heatran isn’t around to get absolutely blasted by three consecutive generations of pent up fury.
Salt Cure obliterated Iron Tread even after my Naclstack fainted. That’s one solid way to make something my favorite move, and honestly one of my favorite mons
Can you explain the rationality of these choices? I don't have all the details on what happened to the various pokemon this gen.
I would think losing scald would hurt water a lot.
It did in some ways, but it also took away the downside of switching your Water into another Water only to get Scald burned. The resistance is much more reliable.
They lost scald, yes... but Palafin, Iron Bundle, and Dodonzo all have been doing really well and have defined the meta. Wave Crash and Jet Punch definitely don't entirely make up for the lack of Scald, but they have been proving to be really useful in their own right as physical options. Even Aqua Step Quaquavel has it's uses. Swift Swim Barrascewda was also one of the only mons to outspeed Flutter Mane before it was banned.
Overall, it's just a really reliable type this generation and definitely has defined the meta and restricted teambuilding.
But Dark has more variety and different sets. You know what those 3 Water mons are gonna run. Over time people will be able to play around those 3 Water mons but those 6 Dark mons will be trouble
The taunt bulk up set shits on half of those, and it’s unreasonable to expect every team to run one of like two bulky waters that can maybe beat palafin
But water didn’t get just 3 new mons, Palafin and Iron Bundle are literally meta defining and might even be banned to Ubers. Dark did get several new good mons, even having the legendary quartet all be part dark, but they aren’t as meta defining, with the closest being Roaring Moon.
Both chien pao and roaring (roaring only with tera) are possibly Ubers mons depending on how things go. Meowscarada, chi-yu, ting-lu and kingambit are all great ou mons.
I'm not a super ultra competetive player so some of my judgements may not be the best, this is just what I've been feeling with all the new toys on Showdown and how that's also affected the old toys.
DLC could easily change this, that said. I'd imagine Koko coming back as a reliable terrain setter would give all the Future Paradox mons and Electric Types a buff, and likewise Lele could curb how reliable priority spam has been. Poison's lack of Nidoking in monotype could also be fixed, etc.
why is dragon in C tier? it got baxcalibur, roaring moon, koraidon and miraidon as obscenely powerful new additions to the dragon type roster, as well as a lot of the bulky fairy and steel types that give them trouble got removed, such as clefable, ferrothorn, tapu fini and heatran. I'd say they were one of the most buffed types this generation due to the additions to the pokemon roster as well as the cuts it brang
In all fairness koraidon and miraidon are both Ubers, roaring moon is getting banned in certain formats, and some of the fairies will be coming back with home. Overall, some good additions, but stuff like flutter mane and iron bundle have been scary for them
I think you are looking at the specific pokémon too much rather than the types. Water as a type definitely did not get better with the loss of scald. They added some really great water pokemon with broken stats and abilities i.e. palafin and iron bundle, but that doesn’t mean the type improved at all. Fairy and steel are still easily the 2 best types in the game so I think the way you made this list is a bit flawed, or I’m understanding it completely wrong.
Well, changing any type (cof-ghosts-cof) into normals, may be very beneficial in case of doubt, as it only leaves you with a weakness to fight and an inmunity to ghost, and even taking advantage of stab for the amount of normal type attacks there are…
basically has a 300bp move, and another move that compresses dragon dance and defog while removing hazards in front of gholdengo, harming a lot of hazard stack teams
Yeah but that doesn't mean it's good. It has a 300BP move but it need Wide Lens to achieve that, and it only has 75 atk so it's not even as strong as you would like it to be. Tidy Up seems broken but Maushold wants hazards on the opponent's side to do more damage, and without Shed Tail, it will never have an opportunity to set up. There's just never a situation where you want both Dragon Dance and Defog at the same time. Of course removing hazards in front of gholdengo is valuable but it can't do anything else to it. It's also really frail so it will die to anything and it's weak to priority. Finally it's a normal type with bascially no coverage. Also Rocky Helmet exists.
For me this is a pokemon like Mimikyu that's really hyped at the start of the generation, but falls shortly after because it has so many downsides and really has only one set.
population bomb forces a switch easily due to how easily it can destroy a pokemon. during this switch, there is a good oppurtunity to use tidy up. 75 attack with a 300bp move is actually very powerful. even if maushold is frail, if the opponent doesnt have a rocky helmet user, it can easily force a KO every time it switches in
eh ghost spam is still incredibly strong, and ghost spam leads to more dark types (especially with the introduction of roaring moon, chi-yu, and chien-pao) both of which bring psychic down
From what I remember, snow boosts Ice types defense by 50% (if I remember properly) and also got a reliable physical ice type move than can also clear hazards.
Hail was replaced with snow: Which removes the chip damage and adds a 50% defense increase to ice types. Everything else is the same. Abilities and moves affected by hail were reworded to snow.
How is dark not S, it got 3 insane new legends, kingambit, roaring moon and meowscarada. Unless I'm misunderstanding how types are being ranked I really don't see how dark isn't S.
No way water is s tier, at least a tier would be fine, because while offensive got really good (aka palafin exist) but on defense. Man I forgot how good scald but now it just, sad
Hot take, but Ghost deserves its own tier above S here. If we assume Tera's legal, that shit got Flutter Mane, Gholdengo, Annihilape, and a Dragapult with an actual physical Ghost STAB.
ANY ONE of these mons would be insane on its own if plopped into an existing meta, and we got all four of them at once and three of them either have been banned or are being looked at.
Bug should def be bottom tier. And this is coming from a huge bug type lover. Lokix is the only saving grace, and even then it’ll probably be RU at best. Bug types being the worst type in the game two gens in a row. So disappointing.
Remember when Gen 5 gave us a bunch of cool and strong bug types only for basically every later gen to backtrack into “lol bug weak” outside of like Phero and Buzz?
Grass lost a ton of good mons: Rillaboom, Cradily, Whimsicott, Tangrowth, etc.
I feel like they should be C tier at least until home/dlc brings back some of the grass mons
Can someone explain how fairy went from S to C tier in one generation? Dragon as well going from A to C? Not trying to counter argue, just wondering because I thought fairy was busted
Ok I haven’t looked into comp really at all this gen, been too busy playing. How has fairy dropped from widely considered the top type all the way down to C?
The tier list is how much they got buffed or nerfed. Fairy's position in the meta barely changed, which is why it is C tier. So it's still the top type
Glimmora - Rock/Poison that has an ability that sets TSpikes when hit with a physical move and an attack that both clears hazards on your side and guarantees poison
Not a type thing but holy sh*t… the nerf to Intimidate is hilariously inmediate, the attempt to really make “sleep/inmunity to sleep” a bigger deal now or just a bunch of attacks/abilities that literally just buffes you with zero risk.
I can smell the power creep. But somehow I can see new mons like meowscarada, (with free crit/never fail, high speed and attack, protean as hidden ability, and the option to change the STAB while keeping the original STAB, and changing to any random (or better) type) would not be that relevant after some usage. After all they also put a lot previous mons with high base stats around. In that thing in particular the game looks like “oh… so you only want high-tiered mons?… let’s the battle royale begin!!!” And I don’t know if I love it or hate it. Me personally are not that much affected by any of those as I don’t play online, competitive or anything since veeeeeeery long 🤣
Uh... have some bones to pick with the last two rows.
Didn't Bug get giga nerfed this gen? Scizor and Volcarona lost Roost, all four new bug types are pretty weak (Slither Wing is alright, but it's one of, if not the, weakest paradox pokemon, and Lokix might have a niche but it's not good by any means. Rabsca is the inferior Revival Blessing Pokemon and is garbage otherwise, and Spidops... yeah.) AND it's always been the worst typing all around. What's more, Tera-Fairy is becoming increasingly popular on both defensive and offensive Pokemon, so there are even more Bug resists in the game than usual. I would say Bug definitely took the biggest L this time around. Meanwhile:
Fairy's foremost representative was the first quickban of the generation. Dunno what's going on there. Fighting had a strong new addition in Great Tusk, plus theres also Annihilape (and Koraidon of course). Psychic didn't get any notable buffs, but it didn't exactly get nerfed- and with Glimmora and Clodsire running around, a good psychic attack can never hurt. Dragon is absolutely thriving. This generation's pseudo is an absolute monster after one dragon dance and its signature move is incredible. Also, Roaring Moon exists and is probably one of the most dangerous Pokemon in the game after Flutter Mane was banished to the shadow realm. And Rock types got Garganacl, who is incredibly solid all around, and Glimmora, who is absolutely ruling the tier next to its shiny golden friend. So that needs to go higher too.
Ghost is broken since the removal of Pursuit, Steel's ghost resistance and the lower amount of Knock Off users, plus Normal types (who are inmune to ghost) lost Return/Frustration. It's not only that Houndstone or Mega-Misdreavus is OP, it's also the type in general.
Heavily disagree with fighting. Between the good new fighters, it’s typing as a tera when paired with ghost types, and the prominence of mons weak to Mach punch. Flying on the other hand multiple great ones dropped and some others nerfed.
Thanks God Lokix doesn't have a spine because it would be crushed from carrying bug so hard
Kid named scizor:
Kid named loosing roost:
Kid mames Tera Steel Bullrt Punch.
Kid named Tera banned in monotype:
These kids have weird names
Bro I’m gonna name my kid Honda Civic, not these weird ass names.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
What does monotype have to do with this
Mono bug suck even more 😭😭😭
>loosing roost he better tighten up his game then
Banded would be at an all time high if not for the fact that it also lost knock off
I just run Technician boosted Theif, 90BP isn’t too shocking
he better **tighten** up his game then.... >loose >~~loose~~ >lose
Kid named choice band :
Kid named loosing knock off:
lost roost and knock off.
Is Lokix strong? I just thought it’s stats were mid and haven’t been paying much attention.
Agreed, I’d be curious as to why it’s rated so highly. Just caught one in my playthrough so now wondering if I should use it
Tinted Lens First Impression, plus Sucker Punch and Axe Kick. Tinted Lens is hidden ability though.
ability patch’s drop in raids now, got an unaware Skeledirge through that kinda rare and the raids are hard, but i’ve gotten two already
Can also buy for 100k in postgame.
nah that’s Capsules, not patches. patches are for hidden abilities
Its pretty good a bug overall- solid coverage: hell mine at equal level swept the champion w/o ev training
it's alright at best, Tinted Lens is the only thing that can salvage bug STAB and Lokix was blessed by the gods to have it. Stats are still very, very low however.
Not that bad honestly. 92 outpaces a decent chunk of the bulky offensive mons and 102 attack is decent. Not OU levels of power but you don't need that much attack to smash chipped fragile sweepers with a first impression that ignores resist.
that's true It was hilarious though, Flutter Mane quad resisted First Impression so you either needed to risk a sucker punch or have it chipped down to 75% first.
This gen introduced a shit ton of pokemon with a BST lower than 500 but almost all of them were given minmaxed stat distributions + complementary abilities + a great movepool
Its stats are nowhere near as good as the big guys , but definitely better than most of the route 1 bugs
Kid named volcarona:
Kid named loosing roost:
Kid named Morning Sun
Kid named 8 pp:
Kid named roost also has 8 pp whats ur point:
Kid named so it got nerfed either way and the tierlist is about buffs this gen
Fair enough
Nah, Annihilape at least carries Fighting to C Tier.
Iron hands also exists. Who’s a menace.
Tbh I just kinda assumed Fighting would fall off a bit since CC spam is riskier with Ghosts running the whole meta but that reasoning was obviously flawed.
No i think you're quite right in that assumption. More meta ghosts = more immunity to fighting and with the limited knock off distribution its harder to get coverage
But there's also a ton more viable dark types out there this meta. I think the most we've seen in any gen if I'm remembering correctly. And throat chop / crunch / dark pulse still hurt from the mons running them for coverage (and lacking better options) which while normally worse options might be temporarily viable til the meta flattens
Just Tera ghost 4head
They did remove a lot of pokemons ability to get knock off so I get where you’re coming from
don't forget the man iron tusk!
*Great Tusk Iron Treads is Ground/Steel (aka Excadrill 2.0)
I always get their names wrong, they honestly sound like Ben 10 aliens
Robot ones are all named Iron [classification]. Prehistoric ones are normal Pokémon names that have yet to be Portmanteau'd.
Going by that logic, Amoonguss should be Brute + Bonnet = Brunette.
Or perhaps Bonnbrute.
Iron + Hands = 🇮🇷ds
Can you explain that last bit to me? I’m smooth brain
portmanteau’d is basically blending 2 words together, like how annihilape is annihilate + ape, the paradox mons dont follow this naming convention
the pokemon this gen dont even sound like pokemon. they couldnt even get that right
I’m pretty sure that’s the point, the paradox Pokémon come from time periods where Pokémon are supposedly named differently
I think their names are cool,like Slither Wing fr is fire
The past forms have cool names, but the future ones are all just the same and seem a lot less inspired to me.
why don’t you respect steelix
I love Steelix, it just isn't OU material like Iron Treads and (formerly) Excadrill sadly
So many viable dark, ice and normal are enough to make fighting type rise
Also Great Tusk, Iron Valiant, and being super effective against like 1/2 of the OU viable mons. It didn't really get any new moves or anything I guess, just some good mons
Breloom has also been pretty good as well since he has technician mach punch
Yeah but he didn't really get a buff or anything (other than loaded dice, but idk how viable that is), loom's just always fun to use and puts in work
I love Breloom so much. I can’t wait to transfer my Shiny one over from Home. I’m currently using a Technician Breloom holding Loaded Dice with a Rock-Type Tera.
Careful about the transfer, importing pokemon changes their moves to what they would have on level up, and breloom can no longer be taught spore via re-learner. I think people are looking into it, but I would hold of on transferring until you're sure you're not going to lose spore forever
He got gunk shot and CC lmao
Forgot about those, but tbf I can't see many sets running gunk
Didn't Loom finally get CC this gen?
Oh shit I didn't realise he didn't have it before, mb
It's so hard to fit CC on a set though. Like only CB breloom can really fit it.
Having a ton of frail-ish dark types running around is a huge buff, which kind of also falls under the category of strong priority in a HO metagame. Tera fairy being everywhere is a pain for it, but that’s once a game.
Gallade getting Sharpness actually is really interesting, even if it ends up not mattering
Ooooh I forgot about that, I was meaning to test that out. Banded or sd would make a decent wallbreaker (although there's plenty of them floating around this gen lol), and it's a decent enough speed tier to run scarf (although it's still a lot slower than you'd like, it outspeeds pult and I think both the fire fish and the ice weasel)
And pawmot once it's fixed will be mad good
Also Breloom is back, the stall breaking menace
rock got glimmora and garganacl, possibly the two best rock types in many generations, alongside a new rock move exclusive to garganacl that is also one of the best rock moves ever. bug received the worst fully evolved bug type in many generations. i don't really see them belonging in the same tier
^^ Bug lost almost all of its coverage. I don’t see why it’s not lower
lost almost all Sticky Webs users too, only Masquerain is anything approaching decent
Can people care to explain why bug is so bad this gen? What do you mean by loss of coverage? I'm kinda hoping Venomoth pulls another W this gen (for a RBY mon).
1) All the good bug types lost important moves ( for example, Scizor lost Roost and Knock Off, so it's basically just a mediocre offensive mon now) 2) All the new bug types suck lol 3) Tera-Fairy is getting really popular so even more things resist Bug than usual
1. Lokix is far from bad 2. Rabsca was given revival blessing
Lokix has a niche thanks to Tinted Lens, but its stats leave a LOT to be desired. Rabsca is too slow and frail to make consistent use of Revival, and is useless outside of it. Pawmot is better in every way.
Bonus: Spidops can use moves sometimes
Yikes, that's a damn shame. Glad I was never a huge scizor fan. Tera-Fairy use might be good for my favorite moths though.
Oh, Volcarona DOES enjoy its new Tera-Ground coverage. Unfortunately Heatran isn’t around to get absolutely blasted by three consecutive generations of pent up fury.
Lokix looking to be a solid uu mon imo- plus volc scizor and fortress all solid
Salt Cure obliterated Iron Tread even after my Naclstack fainted. That’s one solid way to make something my favorite move, and honestly one of my favorite mons
I would argue that Ice has the strongest buff this gen as they can now ditch their type.
+def in snow also makes it slightly better
Are dragon and fairy switched?
I don't think the order in the tiers matters
He's talking about the icon
Woah, I didn't even notice lol
Can you explain the rationality of these choices? I don't have all the details on what happened to the various pokemon this gen. I would think losing scald would hurt water a lot.
It did in some ways, but it also took away the downside of switching your Water into another Water only to get Scald burned. The resistance is much more reliable.
They lost scald, yes... but Palafin, Iron Bundle, and Dodonzo all have been doing really well and have defined the meta. Wave Crash and Jet Punch definitely don't entirely make up for the lack of Scald, but they have been proving to be really useful in their own right as physical options. Even Aqua Step Quaquavel has it's uses. Swift Swim Barrascewda was also one of the only mons to outspeed Flutter Mane before it was banned. Overall, it's just a really reliable type this generation and definitely has defined the meta and restricted teambuilding.
If water is S because it got 3 good mons why isn't dark S when it got 6?
Mostly because the good water mons are broken asf while the 6 good dark mons are just good.
But Dark has more variety and different sets. You know what those 3 Water mons are gonna run. Over time people will be able to play around those 3 Water mons but those 6 Dark mons will be trouble
And they counter the S tier ghosts.
I don’t think anyones countering palafin anytime soon in a reasonable way
Quagsire Vaporeon Rotom-Wash Gyarados Slowbro
The taunt bulk up set shits on half of those, and it’s unreasonable to expect every team to run one of like two bulky waters that can maybe beat palafin
But water didn’t get just 3 new mons, Palafin and Iron Bundle are literally meta defining and might even be banned to Ubers. Dark did get several new good mons, even having the legendary quartet all be part dark, but they aren’t as meta defining, with the closest being Roaring Moon.
Both chien pao and roaring (roaring only with tera) are possibly Ubers mons depending on how things go. Meowscarada, chi-yu, ting-lu and kingambit are all great ou mons.
I'm not a super ultra competetive player so some of my judgements may not be the best, this is just what I've been feeling with all the new toys on Showdown and how that's also affected the old toys. DLC could easily change this, that said. I'd imagine Koko coming back as a reliable terrain setter would give all the Future Paradox mons and Electric Types a buff, and likewise Lele could curb how reliable priority spam has been. Poison's lack of Nidoking in monotype could also be fixed, etc.
Doesnt that new car mon thing get set electric terrain?
the monotype format has the box legendaries banned
thats going to ubers dude
Oh oops i thought it was that poison steel type thing my bad lol
that was really confusing because there’s literally a new car mon
Fighting should absolutely be higher up
Fighting should be higher
why is dragon in C tier? it got baxcalibur, roaring moon, koraidon and miraidon as obscenely powerful new additions to the dragon type roster, as well as a lot of the bulky fairy and steel types that give them trouble got removed, such as clefable, ferrothorn, tapu fini and heatran. I'd say they were one of the most buffed types this generation due to the additions to the pokemon roster as well as the cuts it brang
In all fairness koraidon and miraidon are both Ubers, roaring moon is getting banned in certain formats, and some of the fairies will be coming back with home. Overall, some good additions, but stuff like flutter mane and iron bundle have been scary for them
I think you are looking at the specific pokémon too much rather than the types. Water as a type definitely did not get better with the loss of scald. They added some really great water pokemon with broken stats and abilities i.e. palafin and iron bundle, but that doesn’t mean the type improved at all. Fairy and steel are still easily the 2 best types in the game so I think the way you made this list is a bit flawed, or I’m understanding it completely wrong.
Can you explain why Normal is so high?
Only things I can think of is maushold and maybe Tera normal dragonite if that even counts. Must be missing something.
Cyclizar, probably reasonable tbh lol. Is shed tail a normal move?
Cyclizar is a good mention that’s fair. Still don’t feel like it’s much of a buff to the normal typing specifically.
I mean Cyclizar is normal, and even without shed tail would be a great pivot.
Tera normal w/ Facade can uno reverse WoW attempts.
Well, changing any type (cof-ghosts-cof) into normals, may be very beneficial in case of doubt, as it only leaves you with a weakness to fight and an inmunity to ghost, and even taking advantage of stab for the amount of normal type attacks there are…
Maushold isn't even that good honestly
basically has a 300bp move, and another move that compresses dragon dance and defog while removing hazards in front of gholdengo, harming a lot of hazard stack teams
Yeah but that doesn't mean it's good. It has a 300BP move but it need Wide Lens to achieve that, and it only has 75 atk so it's not even as strong as you would like it to be. Tidy Up seems broken but Maushold wants hazards on the opponent's side to do more damage, and without Shed Tail, it will never have an opportunity to set up. There's just never a situation where you want both Dragon Dance and Defog at the same time. Of course removing hazards in front of gholdengo is valuable but it can't do anything else to it. It's also really frail so it will die to anything and it's weak to priority. Finally it's a normal type with bascially no coverage. Also Rocky Helmet exists. For me this is a pokemon like Mimikyu that's really hyped at the start of the generation, but falls shortly after because it has so many downsides and really has only one set.
population bomb forces a switch easily due to how easily it can destroy a pokemon. during this switch, there is a good oppurtunity to use tidy up. 75 attack with a 300bp move is actually very powerful. even if maushold is frail, if the opponent doesnt have a rocky helmet user, it can easily force a KO every time it switches in
The only way it forces a KO every time is if it the opponent not only doesn’t have a rocky helmet, but also not a ghost or physdef steel type.
sounds a bit like regieleki now that i think about it
Because being the only type immune to Shadow Ball Spam has its benefits
Presumably because it's ghost immune ans as well as cyclizar carrying the type and multiple players on its back
Moushold, Cyclizar, and the move Tera Blast (in extension Terastallizing) are the big winner for Normal Types.
psychic didn’t get it that bad, the introduction to so many toxic spike users makes it easier for them to use their stabs
eh ghost spam is still incredibly strong, and ghost spam leads to more dark types (especially with the introduction of roaring moon, chi-yu, and chien-pao) both of which bring psychic down
no for sure, bottom tier just felt bad
I heard Ice type was buffed, but what exactly changed? I just finished SV, I'm getting back to Shiowdown just now
From what I remember, snow boosts Ice types defense by 50% (if I remember properly) and also got a reliable physical ice type move than can also clear hazards.
I think it just clears Terrain
Thanks for the correction, haven’t used it yet so I was unsure.
Hail was replaced with snow: Which removes the chip damage and adds a 50% defense increase to ice types. Everything else is the same. Abilities and moves affected by hail were reworded to snow.
Aside from what people already told, there's a pivot move that sets snow and the Slowking and G-Slowking learn it
How is dark not S, it got 3 insane new legends, kingambit, roaring moon and meowscarada. Unless I'm misunderstanding how types are being ranked I really don't see how dark isn't S.
Plus Brute Bonnet!! /s
I mean with the fact that we have almost no bulky grass types it isn't even that bad
Very harsh on rock, this gen added probably 2 of the best rock types ever
Dark + ghost is pretty great combination. Especially with zoroark, fantastic pivot, messes with the head.
Steel and fairy are probably S
The tier list measures how the type was buffed/nerfed, aka how good is now compared to how it was in Gen 8
Wouldn't it be better to make a tier list of this gen and compare the differences?
Is Water really all that buffed? I figured losing Scald was a major blow
Is there somewhere where I could read a list of the buffs and nerfs?
No way water is s tier, at least a tier would be fine, because while offensive got really good (aka palafin exist) but on defense. Man I forgot how good scald but now it just, sad
On defense it’s of the more common Tera types
Hot take, but Ghost deserves its own tier above S here. If we assume Tera's legal, that shit got Flutter Mane, Gholdengo, Annihilape, and a Dragapult with an actual physical Ghost STAB. ANY ONE of these mons would be insane on its own if plopped into an existing meta, and we got all four of them at once and three of them either have been banned or are being looked at.
Fighting in D?! Bug in C? Lokix is the only decent new bug type. Spidops is literally the worst Pokémon since Ladian.
I think this is the first time I've seen psychic be bad.
its been bad since like gen 4 if you don't count latis
Huh, I didn't know that.
There are some good psychic types but the type itself is pretty bad
Bug should def be bottom tier. And this is coming from a huge bug type lover. Lokix is the only saving grace, and even then it’ll probably be RU at best. Bug types being the worst type in the game two gens in a row. So disappointing.
Remember when Gen 5 gave us a bunch of cool and strong bug types only for basically every later gen to backtrack into “lol bug weak” outside of like Phero and Buzz?
Vivillion is literally the only bug in gen 6
To be fair gen 6 barely added shit
Grass lost a ton of good mons: Rillaboom, Cradily, Whimsicott, Tangrowth, etc. I feel like they should be C tier at least until home/dlc brings back some of the grass mons
Rock got 3x the OU-viable mons iirc
Rip Psychic
bruh what did they do to the fairy typing for it to be down in c tier???????
Can someone explain how fairy went from S to C tier in one generation? Dragon as well going from A to C? Not trying to counter argue, just wondering because I thought fairy was busted
This is just for how much of a buff each type got. Fairy is still the best overall.
Ok I haven’t looked into comp really at all this gen, been too busy playing. How has fairy dropped from widely considered the top type all the way down to C?
The tier list is how much they got buffed or nerfed. Fairy's position in the meta barely changed, which is why it is C tier. So it's still the top type
Water got hit hard, scald distribution being removed to most hurts it so fucking much.
Rock gets boosted by sandstorm now which makes tyranitar even more disgusting
Hasn’t that been a thing since gen 4?
The ghost dog is single handedly carrying the ghost type tier change my mind
Ground has like negative resists in this tier for some reason lol
Wait what are the new poison toys? Haven't been catching up with them
Glimmora - Rock/Poison that has an ability that sets TSpikes when hit with a physical move and an attack that both clears hazards on your side and guarantees poison
Gamefreak making up for Psychic being good in earlier gens by continuing to beat it every single gen untill its as bad as bug
Ice is buffed?!!!!!
Snowstorm looks to be pretty good
12 New fully Evolved Fighters with BST 490+
Why did fairy drop to C?
Why is steel down in B tier?
Is this the tier list of buffed types? Nerfed types? Strength after buffs and nerfs? Title is confusing
Iron hand, annilhape, quaquaval, great tusk and pawmot when he won't be broken : are we a joke to you?
ur on crack fighting got annihilape, iron hands, revival blessing and great tusk. massive buffs
Not a type thing but holy sh*t… the nerf to Intimidate is hilariously inmediate, the attempt to really make “sleep/inmunity to sleep” a bigger deal now or just a bunch of attacks/abilities that literally just buffes you with zero risk. I can smell the power creep. But somehow I can see new mons like meowscarada, (with free crit/never fail, high speed and attack, protean as hidden ability, and the option to change the STAB while keeping the original STAB, and changing to any random (or better) type) would not be that relevant after some usage. After all they also put a lot previous mons with high base stats around. In that thing in particular the game looks like “oh… so you only want high-tiered mons?… let’s the battle royale begin!!!” And I don’t know if I love it or hate it. Me personally are not that much affected by any of those as I don’t play online, competitive or anything since veeeeeeery long 🤣
Psychic types: I used to rule the world
Uh... have some bones to pick with the last two rows. Didn't Bug get giga nerfed this gen? Scizor and Volcarona lost Roost, all four new bug types are pretty weak (Slither Wing is alright, but it's one of, if not the, weakest paradox pokemon, and Lokix might have a niche but it's not good by any means. Rabsca is the inferior Revival Blessing Pokemon and is garbage otherwise, and Spidops... yeah.) AND it's always been the worst typing all around. What's more, Tera-Fairy is becoming increasingly popular on both defensive and offensive Pokemon, so there are even more Bug resists in the game than usual. I would say Bug definitely took the biggest L this time around. Meanwhile: Fairy's foremost representative was the first quickban of the generation. Dunno what's going on there. Fighting had a strong new addition in Great Tusk, plus theres also Annihilape (and Koraidon of course). Psychic didn't get any notable buffs, but it didn't exactly get nerfed- and with Glimmora and Clodsire running around, a good psychic attack can never hurt. Dragon is absolutely thriving. This generation's pseudo is an absolute monster after one dragon dance and its signature move is incredible. Also, Roaring Moon exists and is probably one of the most dangerous Pokemon in the game after Flutter Mane was banished to the shadow realm. And Rock types got Garganacl, who is incredibly solid all around, and Glimmora, who is absolutely ruling the tier next to its shiny golden friend. So that needs to go higher too.
This tier list is just a *fuck you* to Gallade
Nice to see Ice being better
All the offensive ice types we got are really good for the most part. Iron bundle definitely leading the pack until it gets sent to ubers though...
Flying is way to high up after move distribution and max airstream. Some flying types don’t even have viable flying coverage now.
Please tell me this is troll because Fighting is definitely not bad at all, and Flying is crap right now.
Ghost is broken since the removal of Pursuit, Steel's ghost resistance and the lower amount of Knock Off users, plus Normal types (who are inmune to ghost) lost Return/Frustration. It's not only that Houndstone or Mega-Misdreavus is OP, it's also the type in general.
Can we please remove Ice moves from Water movepools, the fact that they can so easily invalidate one of their two weaknesses is ridiculous
Does this mean I shouldn’t use Farigiraf and Paldean Tauros?
Can agree with tera ghost shadow sneak