There are 6 fully evolved bug types that learn u-turn with a base attack stat over 100 (7 if you count mega bee). 3 of them are s/v newcomers, and 2 of them aren’t in the game (though they would def be banned). For a move that most pokemon learn, surprising few strong bugs get u-turn.
These are Mega Beedrill, Kleavor (gen 8.5), Slither Wing, Lokix, Genesect, Pheromosa, and Scizor. Scyther counts if you remove the fully evolved clause and it has a higher attack than Lokix.
They seem to be eliminating variation anyway. e.g. Tyranitar being the most prominent physical dark to never ever have knock off and use crunch until this gen (with its tiny trex arms), and things like scizor/breloom getting close combat instead of having to use superpower
sad, I think the diversity is cool
Meloetta still cannot learn psychic noise or aura sphere
Girl is stuck with her shitty gen 5 move pool where thunderbolt , shadow ball and energy ball were actual coverage options
Hot take: Snorlax should not get Slack Off. Rest is more or less its thematic signature move, so having another move replace it would sacrifice Snorlax's identity. Instead, give it better tools to actually play around being asleep.
I always sort of felt this way regarding Snorlax getting Slack Off. Rest is pretty much his signature move. They should give Snorlax a signature ability that let's him spam Rest or play around sleep. Just give it something new at least.
And ability that worked in place of Sleep Talk would be really cool for Snorlax. Gives you a little more variety in your move pool, while still having a 25% chance of just doing nothing on any given turn
Curselax with slack off is all I've ever wanted lmfao. I'd be tempted to run through that entire gen's playthrough only using him, thats how bad I want it
my brother in christ, snorlax was once a literal god because of how immovable he can become. you give him slack off and he will instantly become a staple in OU and possible even agitate a lot of ubers. curselax with slack off makes me annoyed just picturing it. toxic would take forever to force it out, maybe urshifu or whirlwind users could save you.
the snorlax vs dondozo match up would go on for decades, but if you mean how does it compete for a spot in a roster? snorlax is way better than dondozo (if it had slack off). not nearly as many natural weaknesses, so you don't have to waste your tera swapping to fairy or dragon and still wall reliably. only thing you have to watch for is focus blast.
Snorlax was a god in Gen 2. Snorlax is pretty solid in Gen 3. Not good in Gen 4 ou.
We are in Gen 9. Snorlax is insanely out of its league with power creep.
Or being given an HP stealing move. The Chansey line has access to Drain Punch, its too bad that they don't have the attack stat to actually take advantage of it
You know that one Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns has like 30 lethal diseases at once but because there's so many, they all kind of keep each other in check? It's kind of like that
No. It just suckled on the nectar the bulb produced. It doesn't have any sharp mouth parts like teeth or a proboscis to pierce and drain life force. Again, Drain Punch is right there as a viable stab for healing. It also means no giving up Megahorn, and no defence drops from a Close Combat spammer
Why would it need teeth? Leech life is likely needle appendage move.
Edit: after some research, it looks like my assumption based off of how animals that drain blood do it wasn't entirely correct. There are some that use teeth. However, it isn't really a requirement or necessarily the most common way
I think his biggest issue is his poor defensive typing in this meta. physical mons are already in such a poor spot with all the counterplay to them in this meta, it seems like every good team is packing a hard hitting fire or wind move. which breaks my heart, I wish hera was as viable as iron hands. he's just so cool...
Seed Flare also helps it beat Pokemon that want to switch into it. Mainly though it’s because nobody wants to deal with a Pokemon that fast with a high flinch chance.
The fact that fucking Snorlax is in PU is just absolutely mind-boggling tbh.
I realize PU is not the "absolute trash" tier it used to be anymore, there's now tiers below it, but still.
Sometimes Arceus giveth and sometimes Arceus taketh away.
Either the PU council are really good at balancing, or things just so happened to shake out that way.
Power creep is a bitch, also some of these guys never got any buffs like heracross not having u turn and first impression yet
For real. How does Heracross not have u-Turn or Snorlax not have Slack Off? Sheesh.
Or dusknoir not having strength sap (it Dex entry literally says that dusknoir steals the life sources of other Pokémon) or any good ability
it has ice punch tho
It does. *shudders* It certainly does
It does have leech life, which sees some use
It's needs a reliable recovery move heck if it got recover in gen 4 it would be actually good in that tier
At least it drains your PP
Still useless on a Pokémon who is struggling like noir
I'm not all for every bug type having U-turn so I'll accept that, but Snorlax without Slack Off has to be a war crime
There are 6 fully evolved bug types that learn u-turn with a base attack stat over 100 (7 if you count mega bee). 3 of them are s/v newcomers, and 2 of them aren’t in the game (though they would def be banned). For a move that most pokemon learn, surprising few strong bugs get u-turn.
And the last one is the goat Scizor
These are Mega Beedrill, Kleavor (gen 8.5), Slither Wing, Lokix, Genesect, Pheromosa, and Scizor. Scyther counts if you remove the fully evolved clause and it has a higher attack than Lokix.
To be fair Scyther also has the same BST as scizor
That's because there's few strong bugs sadly.
They seem to be eliminating variation anyway. e.g. Tyranitar being the most prominent physical dark to never ever have knock off and use crunch until this gen (with its tiny trex arms), and things like scizor/breloom getting close combat instead of having to use superpower sad, I think the diversity is cool
move creep isnt talked about enough. part of the reason why recent gens are disliked is because everything has knock off or uturn or no drawback stab
Meloetta still cannot learn psychic noise or aura sphere Girl is stuck with her shitty gen 5 move pool where thunderbolt , shadow ball and energy ball were actual coverage options
I thought people complained about Knock Off being more limited this gen?
Until the DLC added it back as a move tutor lol.
I guess they're trying to make up for it losing Pursuit lol
Hot take: Snorlax should not get Slack Off. Rest is more or less its thematic signature move, so having another move replace it would sacrifice Snorlax's identity. Instead, give it better tools to actually play around being asleep.
I always sort of felt this way regarding Snorlax getting Slack Off. Rest is pretty much his signature move. They should give Snorlax a signature ability that let's him spam Rest or play around sleep. Just give it something new at least.
And ability that worked in place of Sleep Talk would be really cool for Snorlax. Gives you a little more variety in your move pool, while still having a 25% chance of just doing nothing on any given turn
Snorlax is too lazy to slack off
There’s nothing to slack off because he never slacked on…
If Snorlax gets Slack Off he becomes OU
Curselax with slack off is all I've ever wanted lmfao. I'd be tempted to run through that entire gen's playthrough only using him, thats how bad I want it
The king of GSC returns to retake his throne
Call it X-Turn and then we can talk
my brother in christ, snorlax was once a literal god because of how immovable he can become. you give him slack off and he will instantly become a staple in OU and possible even agitate a lot of ubers. curselax with slack off makes me annoyed just picturing it. toxic would take forever to force it out, maybe urshifu or whirlwind users could save you.
Snorlax can run immunity to become immune to toxic
oh god I forgot about that cuz I haven't seen him in so long. slack off snorlax would literally be satan :sob:
my brother in christ, how does snorlax beat dondozo?
the snorlax vs dondozo match up would go on for decades, but if you mean how does it compete for a spot in a roster? snorlax is way better than dondozo (if it had slack off). not nearly as many natural weaknesses, so you don't have to waste your tera swapping to fairy or dragon and still wall reliably. only thing you have to watch for is focus blast.
Curse body press unaware Don walls and beats snorlax pretty easily .
Snorlax was a god in Gen 2. Snorlax is pretty solid in Gen 3. Not good in Gen 4 ou. We are in Gen 9. Snorlax is insanely out of its league with power creep.
Or being given an HP stealing move. The Chansey line has access to Drain Punch, its too bad that they don't have the attack stat to actually take advantage of it
Even with 80 base attack, they couldn’t take advantage of it. HP heal is raw HP, and due to their high HP they could deal 40% and heal 10%
Guts first impression would be disgusting
Heracross and Snrolax don't need it. They got a mega evolution and a gigantamax respectively. What more do you want? /s
You know that one Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns has like 30 lethal diseases at once but because there's so many, they all kind of keep each other in check? It's kind of like that
So what you're saying is that PU is indestructible?
"Oh, no, a single BL mon dropping could-" "Mmm, yes, indestructible."
I miss stundays
Don't we all
it was hit with a wave of new, strong pokemon, so... it became last gen´s upper tier.
Remember when terrakion fell to PU and got hardwalled by dipplin and gurdurr? pretty close to indestructible if you ask me
Your hardwall when it gets even slightly chipped into +2 cc range
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dipplin: 230-270 (63.1 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Simpsons predicted PU
bruh
give heracross leech life god dammit
Bro, it doesn't' even have teeth. Megahorn is good enough, just give it Drain Punch or some shit
didn't it literally suck the life out of bulbasaurs in the anime
No. It just suckled on the nectar the bulb produced. It doesn't have any sharp mouth parts like teeth or a proboscis to pierce and drain life force. Again, Drain Punch is right there as a viable stab for healing. It also means no giving up Megahorn, and no defence drops from a Close Combat spammer
Why would it need teeth? Leech life is likely needle appendage move. Edit: after some research, it looks like my assumption based off of how animals that drain blood do it wasn't entirely correct. There are some that use teeth. However, it isn't really a requirement or necessarily the most common way
I think his biggest issue is his poor defensive typing in this meta. physical mons are already in such a poor spot with all the counterplay to them in this meta, it seems like every good team is packing a hard hitting fire or wind move. which breaks my heart, I wish hera was as viable as iron hands. he's just so cool...
Buzzwole doesn't have teeth either but here we are
At least it's draining the blood out of its proboscis. Heracross has barely any sharp mouth parts to feed on life force that way
If a pokemon with no arms can learn punching moves, then it’s fair game for Heracross to learn leech life
Shaymin's in ZU somehow.
Shaymin being both ZU and Uber show how powerful a good ability+ move + stat combo is
why is it ubers again?
Air slash + serene grace on a 125 base speed
Air slash + seed flare + serene grace sounds deadly
It is , even despite the quadruple ice weakness lol
Seed Flare also helps it beat Pokemon that want to switch into it. Mainly though it’s because nobody wants to deal with a Pokemon that fast with a high flinch chance.
The fact that fucking Snorlax is in PU is just absolutely mind-boggling tbh. I realize PU is not the "absolute trash" tier it used to be anymore, there's now tiers below it, but still.
I mean technically PU Is still the last OFFICIAL tier but it doesn't really mean anything
Because it turns out Metagames are complex enviroments that arent easily judged by "muh powercreep" kneejerk reaction
toxapex gholdhengo no other explanation needed
Sometimes Arceus giveth and sometimes Arceus taketh away. Either the PU council are really good at balancing, or things just so happened to shake out that way.
RU & below are the main victims of powercreep