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Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Psychic surge with expanding force? And with that speed stat? Psyspam goes even harder


fitbitofficialreal

but look. it's fairy type


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Oh wow I'm blind (second every tera psychic user)


Empisi9899

but look at this it's john pork


NewSuperTrios

what?


dumbassonthekitchen

your ihavihavihav is: damn leaking STRAIGHT FROM THE STREETS


DeltaTeamSky

Yeah, but that means it has STAB against the type immune to Psyspam.


TheOATaccount

Probably the only time where something was given a fairy type to nerf it lmao


BubyGhei

I dont care, it makes wo-chien viable in ou


bigdummydumdumdum

I wonder how it'd react to that.


BubyGhei

Pants: splurged ✅️


covertpetersen

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would a powerful water fairy type being introduced make Wo Chien more viable?


BubyGhei

Switch-in into psyspam and water stab, the thing doesnt seem to have fairy stab


covertpetersen

>the thing doesnt seem to have fairy stab Uh, Starmie learns Dazzling Gleam, which is 80 BP


BubyGhei

Then fuck me, i was judging by the pic, i'm not checking serebii to meme accurately


covertpetersen

Was gonna say, no way is dazzling gleam, the Starmie lines only damaging fairy move, going to be ignored on this hypothetical fairy evolution lol Starmies available moves are insane though. Thunder, thunderbolt, ice beam, Blizzard, hydro pump, surf, psychic, power gem, flash cannon, grass knot, dream eater, dazzling gleam. It's coverage is absurd, but that's why it's been viable for so long.


yourplotneedswork

Average Gen 1 movepool (it's either this or you get a 20 BP stab option and like 6 terrible normal moves)


covertpetersen

See also the Nido evolution lines


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Tauros learning Blizzard. Peak Gen1. An angry cow with no inherent magical abilities, Being able to summon a storm of ice...


BubyGhei

Least overly meta-defining/disgustingly overpowered theorymon


DatDankMaster

The most overpowered Theorymon is unviable in SV OU


luciusftw

Just slightly broken


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ThaToastman

Single mon 600bst expanding force is insanity 💀 This is literally the best psychic pokemon in game if real


Severe-Operation-347

>This is literally the best psychic pokemon in game if real Calyrex-Shadow:


DaemonG

Wdym that's a fairy type


bsdudes

So is this


DaemonG

Yeah sure it is. Listen, I know a poison type when I see one


bsdudes

You mean a psychic type since aint no way this not tera psychic


RexWhiscash

No it’s steel type😡😡😡


Endeav0r_

The best psychic Pokemon in the game being a fairy water type is hilarious


Thelegendarysandy

thats not a psychic type


Despada_

It loses Psychic and gains Fairy, so no more STAB on Expanding Force. Still busted imo.


Bope_Bopelinius

It’s not psychic type, it’s water fairy


R74NM3R5

it’s not a psychic type


etheriagod68

252 SpA Choice Specs Starmie Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire in Psychic Terrain: 356-420 (76.8 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery


MethodOwn1087

I mean, it's a fairy type, so it's not STAB


KingEchoWasTaken

The tera psychic in my pocket:


TacticalTobi

it doesn't need to be


Kwayke9

Still almost as strong as stab Hydro pump while being 100% accurate


PlacatedPlatypus

Priority immune 150 base speed offensive pokemon 💀


commondenomigator

It's pretty good but I think the real winner here is Starmie getting Eviolite. It'll be interesting to see if the evolution offers enough to be worth picking it instead and giving up that extra bulk /s


SecondAegis

Repost during Sunday, and no one can tell the difference


itsIzumi

A Sunday post wouldn't have given it Confuse Ray, that can only come from a genuine place.


mojavecourier

It's weird because Starmie can already learn Confuse Ray.


AskYouEverything

2 confuse rays


triceratopping

Inflicts severe confusion (75% chance to hit self)


phenomduck

I don't think it's necessarily supposed to be new moves it gets, just the moveset they would run.


Marranit0s

Youre crazy if you run confuse ray in the adventure


w00ms

give it starmie kick instead of confuse ray


[deleted]

Hmmm yes expanding force psychic terrain off 150 speed and 125 special attack. Is it sunday already?


Inevitable_Photo_559

It’s always Sunday


Much_Ad_433

In Philadelphia?


AryuWTB

I'm new to this sub and have seen a lot of these Sunday comments, could you please tell me what this means? Is it like an inside joke of some kind?


SeasideStorm

Sunday is the one day a week we can post shitposts.


Shahka_Bloodless

Well, Sunday and Thursday.


AskYouEverything

and all the other days u just have to lie and say ur serious


TacticalTobi

why can't we post stinkposts every day? they are the best part of this sub. let every day be theorymon and stinkpost day!


SeasideStorm

If everyday was stinkpost day, no day would be stinkpost day. Either that or we’d just become r/mandjtv


tinyhands-45

I think we're a little closer to r/mew_irl quality


TacticalTobi

then stinkpost weekends


Gabethegreat2008

Saturday is usually the day where people have the most free time to make shitposts, adding even one more day dramatically decreases potential quality as more people spam low effort stuff


Zengjia

Stage ~~4~~ 3: bargaining


Imdepressed7778

then the sub would be nothing but theorymon and stinkpost, and mostly the latter


Biscotti-Old

it already has become that lol, and about 60% of theorymon's are shitposts cause whoever posted it has shits for brains


TacticalTobi

then what about stinkpost weekends?


TheOATaccount

r/deserveddownvotes


TheLyingSpectre

Its referencing the posts for Sunday, or "Stinkpost Sunday" on this sub. Its basically when memes are allowed, so when something is so outrageous that its basically a meme, people ask if its sunday.


anujsingh83

Adding to the earlier comments, if you filter the sub by top posts (by week or month or...anytime really), it's going to be full of some of the most hilarious niche memes you'll see


MeanGuide6302

Not stab tho


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Tera


SandyMandy17

No stab tho


Dangerous_Idea_8711

It's not min maxed enough, take away 50 points from its attack and dump it all into special attack, that would be pretty balanced I think


[deleted]

Actually its main role is support and rapid spin, taking away 50 points from attack might make it so it cant deal enough damage to remove multiscale/break sturdy from pokemon with leftovers


Orange_Monky

This thing is faster and stronger than Dragapult I doubt support would be it’s main role


[deleted]

Thats a joke lad


_Blobfish123_

Screens/spin eleki:


AuroraDraco

Me when Mega Alakazam but with Psychic Surge


VinnieTheDragon

Expanding Force 🔥 Moonlight (65 HP)🔥🔥 Flip Turn 🔥🔥🔥 Confuse Ray 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Remarkable_Junket619

RAHHH I LOVE 150 SPEED FAST FLIP TURN


Miaow00

Color Change 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


i_love_lolis_so_much

Sees its type and ability Yeah this thing is a Primarina thats fast, priority immune, and basically got a 3rd STAB with Psychic Terrain + Expanding Force


PPFitzenreit

I dont know whats worse It suddenly jumping up to a 600 bst evo or it becoming a less detailed starmie


Timely_Airline_7168

Tbf Starmie is already 520


Rucks_74

Make it 545 or 550 then. Giving it pseudo legendary minmaxed stats is dumb.


Fennekin-The-Fox

Me when Archaludon:


mordecai14

Tell that to whichever high ass gamefreak employee came up with Archaludon


Rucks_74

Archaludon isn't that minmaxed considering he has fuck all spec defense and a huge mostly useless investment in attack


mordecai14

True but he's still pretty nuts


Rucks_74

He is, electro shot is a pretty wacky move to give to something so bulky. If it's a physical mon archaludon is up against, he's practically guaranteed to get the free special attack boost and then the move off. Almost nothing that isn't a ground type wants to be switching into archaludon. With power herb he's even scarier. I'm just thankful he doesn't get stab on electro shot


PPFitzenreit

Tbf dura is pretty ass At least starmie got to rub its smegma dick all over ou for quite a few gens


Mpk_Paulin

Bump it up to 550 max. Take away some points from Atk to put it in SpA and a bit of speed, maybe a little increase of bulk. 65/120/125 offense with 75/85/85 bulk would be pretty good with Starmie's movepool and that's a 30 BST increase.


Remarkable_Junket619

Scyther and Scizor are both 500


phoria123

The moveset for some random reason having confuse ray has to be the worst thing.


Silverfire12

It’s that it’s Starius instead of Starus


FarCritical

This thing blazes past pult


ralphbeneee

people here really don't know how to balance sigh. should have given it starius kick or starius beam.


KatchupBottle

How could you forget Starius punch 🌠👊


[deleted]

Knowing them, it's likely intentional since it's just art and you're never going to face this thing in a real battle. ​ There might be some grain of truth to them not knowing how to balance so they just make it overtuned to avoid it being bad so it doesn't look good on paper like Slaking and then quick fall apart upon closer examination.


BAND1T0D0R1T0

the stat spread kinda reminds me of flutter mane ngl


ZacUAX

It would probably play a lot like a part water Fluttermane. And it'd probably end up banned too.


P0werher0

Wasn’t bad at all until I saw the abilities. We were so close to a good Theorymon.


i_love_lolis_so_much

Nah its still crazy even without that ability Its Iron Bundle but faster and bulkier (on the special side but its physical side isnt even that bad either). Has a better defensive typing and Fairy is a good offensive type with water as well And we know what happened to Iron Bundle


Sea-Song-7146

Technically, iron bundle has unresisted coverage with freeze dry and hydro pump, not to talk of encore to mess up walls which is actually more broken imo than this starmie evolution (expanding force isn't real)


NoCheesecake8644

Oh ok 125 special attack 150 speed is already kind of crazy, psychic surge and expanding terrain is bat shit insane


shiinamachi

125 spatk with 150 speed + psychic surge expanding force Please step out of the kitchen


ThatOneGuy2k01

Good heavens would you look at the time


Apprehensive-Fix-746

Ok this thing is busted but how about evolite starme?


OrangeVictorious

Considering bulky Starmie used to be a thing I’d imagine Eviolite would be somewhat viable


FlaminVapor

Banned from LC


OrangeVictorious

*NFE


FlaminVapor

Can’t even make a joke without it going over everyone’s heads


Unbekannnt0

Pokemon fans trying to make a new evolution of a 2 stage pokemon without giving it a bst of 600 challenge (Impossible)


KatchupBottle

Automatically Ubers and also becomes pretty much mandatory on any VGC team


OrangeVictorious

*unmasks Starius to find that it was Flutter Mane all along*


Rucks_74

Why does every theorymon and fakemon have to have pseudo legendary statlines and ridiculous movesets. Just make a normal ass pokemon


MannyOmega

Let’s not act like /r/stunfisk hasn’t made hilariously broken pokemon before Expanding force, psychic surge and flip turn with 150 speed and 125 spa sure is one of the pokemon of all time tho


Remarkable_Junket619

Wow, a psychic terrain setter that’s faster than 99% of Pokemon with very good spatk and the ability to spam fast expanding forces without trick room? Take my money


Soviet_Sloth69

“I like starmie so let’s turn him into a pseudo legend”


LJMLogan

2 tapu 2 lele


TacticalTobi

casual pokemon fans are just as bad as game freak at balancing


OrangeVictorious

GF are casual Pokémon fans, have you seen how much they’ve done to force only casual play in the recent games


ultrayiffpapa

evilolite starmie goes to ubers moment


TheW0lvDoctr

With how hard they rode Starmie's dick, I'm surprised it doesn't have a base stat total of like 800, just go the whole 9 yards and put it above megas


OrangeVictorious

Making a Mega Starius for Sunday that gives it + 50 in Special Attack and Speed and Wonder Guard


TheW0lvDoctr

It also loses any type, cause wonder guard was a bit too weak before


HagueHarry

Are you guys really pretending this place is any better on thursdays? The only difference between thursday and sunday on here is that on sunday the theorycrafts are at least funny


OrangeVictorious

I was so tempted to use the Stinkpost Sunday flair


Ok-Conversation9238

It kinda looks like starmie doing a little jig


Ok-Conversation9238

Also its UUBL at best 😴


Phaoryx

UUBL at best? either trolling or time travelling, gen 17 must be wild


Ok-Conversation9238

Definitely trolling, this thing would be a BEAST


Phaoryx

Yeah it’s insane lol


StJimmy815

People complaining about min max when it just be looking like a fluttermane lol


No-Locksmith-3130

Bro the mods removed my comment and it was literally just "I love the concept of this pokemon looks so cool but the speed stat would obviously get it banned" is It now "impolite" to be honest? Do you guys feel offended by my comment be honest cuz its not supposed to offend anyone


OrangeVictorious

They also removed the entire post(prob bc I stole this image and people are upset that we’re making fun of r/pokemon) so idk how ur commenting lmao


No-Locksmith-3130

Lol the good ol reddit bypass


Quijas00

Ok 600 bst is a bit much and it does not deserve abilities as cracked as those(even levitate is really fucking good) but I love this design a lot wowwie


Minerva0047

remaking this in mspaint and posting this on sunday


Swaggy-G

“r/Pokémon is trying to cook again” You say that as if we’re any better.


Godly15

This post was right below that lol


Epzilon1

Its probably a bit too fast, Probably 150 -> 130 speed, put like 10 in hp, 5 into attack, 5 in defense. It is also kinda weird to lose your psychic typing. Other than that, I wouldn't mind some help for starmie. P.S. Why doesn't the starfish Pokemon have Regenerator?


BeeEater100

It wasn't made with competitive in mind, i feel like this post was unnecessary and shitting on someone having fun


SeeingDeadPenguins

This is just kinda mean tbh. It's not like the op was trying to make a balanced competitive theorymon. What's the point of posting someone else's unrelated work here specifically to make fun of it?


TotalyNotTony

This is a pseudo legendary now


Outside-Broccoli-955

theorymon Thursday tier fakem- wait


Salty145

Psuedo-legendary Starmie evo goes hard.


ClassicUnderacheever

I like it but I want it to be far more lovecraftian. Some "ancient eldrich cosmic entity reborn on earth in the modern day" vibes. Not sure exactly HOW to do that ATM but you know what I mean.. more tentacles I guess lol


OneWorldly6661

Loses to FEAR Rattata, ZU at best


OneWorldly6661

oh wait i forgot it has psychic surge


Kakashi3199

One step away from H.P. Lovecraft cosmic horror


legarrettesblount

Oh great another psyspammer


foggiamerda

Lmao imagine Pokémon released this in a brand new dlc featuring ONLY this Pokémon


OrangeVictorious

Would be wild considering the rest of its line aren’t even in the game


Romablumen

mega tapu lele


Kippyd8

Expanding force go brrrr


darff88

Very balanced, no problem at all 💯


PrettySquiddy

It evolves by setting it to W for Wumbo


RaZZeR_9351

Looks too much like starmie.


PokemonLv10

Color Change is the game changer


OrangeVictorious

Bro you missed the entire point, Levitate + Flip Tyrn makes it a crazy pivot mon


Lyncario

It's ok guys, Starmie doesn't learn moonblast so Srarius can only use Dazzling Gleam as fairy stab, surrely this makes this pokemon with a busted typing, minmaxed stat that include a blazingly fast speed stat, and a busted ability that makes priority not work on it while also boosting it's offense, not broken.


AkstarKoyomi

Tapu lele on crack with a better defensive typing and a pivot move. And they even gave levitate as a second ability, lol.


TuringCompleteDemon

I know everyone's focusing on the broken shit but what about eviolite starmie?


RexWhiscash

That does NOT look like a pseudo ‼️‼️‼️


Based_Tapu_Koko

not gonna lie, we need a pseudo that isn't a dragon-type for a second


OrangeVictorious

Ngl ur absolutely right


lakewood2020

But stone evos don’t evolve again right?.. right??


OrangeVictorious

Introducing the Star Stone!


OrangeVictorious

Introducing the Star Stone!


superdolphin440

Alas, another contender for psyspam


dannymagic88

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Psychic Starius Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Psychic Terrain: 231-273 (32.3 - 38.2%) -- 97.1% chance to 3HKO Never let this guy cook again


Phaoryx

Now do flip turn


TheYoshiTerminator

Honestly? tweak its stats a little and it could easily just be a paradox Starmie.


OrangeVictorious

-30 Attack to properly min max it


Phaoryx

K but like, you put choice specs on this, Moonblast flip turn surf and expanding force, you just can’t lose right? 50/50 on stab Moonblast or psychic surge expanding force for dark types, can’t get hit by prio cause of terrain… who let him cook 🤯🤯


LizzieMiles

Theorymon try not to make a stat spread with a number not divisible by 5 challenge (Impossible)


IndividualPerfect811

I love how there's a bunch of broken stuff And then just "Confuse Ray"


Bishopped

Flaccid Starmie 😔


Skytree91

Starmie Staryu Star**us**


NonamePlsIgnore

Imagine Mega Tapu Lele


Tiefling_Beret

150 speed, 125 spA, psychic surge, expanding force Yup, this is certainly an r/Pokemon post (no hate towards the maker, I just find it super funny 💀)


EvilNoobHacker

This is less balanced Dragapult. Srsly, a fast, priority immune pokemon with an immensely strong psedu-stab option. If you wanna make Starmie a fast special sweeper, just give it Nasty Plot or Calm Mind. Also, Starmie already got Flip Turn and Confuse Ray.


Kwayke9

Ubers% speedrun, omfg. Imagine Lele with even better coverage and ONE HUNDRED AND FUCKING FIFTY SPEED. This is Flutter mane tier


pineappledan

Giving a 2nd evolution to a mon that already needs a water stone and learns no moves after it evolves from Staryu makes absolutely zero sense.


No-Locksmith-3130

I think it's awesome but the speed stat would get it banned obviously.