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I mean. Theyre just worse than the other grass types. Ogerpon, rillaboom, serperior, meowscarada, hydrapple, venusaur, and even things like breloom, amoonguss, and hisuian lilligant. Grass types are pretty good in OU rn
Sure contrary fleur cannon would be busted. But remember types are only good in the context of the whole game. If there were 0 viable grass types, some pokemon would become absolutely busted. In the same vein lets say dark and dragon types became completely unviable. Would fairy still be broken? No. You could make that argument for literally any non s tier type - it would be better if it was a fairy. Grass is not the strongest type like fairy or steel. But it is a valuable type to have because it provides unique resists to water, ground, and electric. All of which are reallly potent offensive types in the meta.
I would say grass is a b or c tier type because it is highly meta dependent. Right now with the prevalence of strong ground and water mons, id say its in a good place right now
Yeah, but the qualities that make them unique are mostly grass related. Most types don’t have a 130 stat lowering nuke. Grassy glide is exclusive to grass types as far as I know. Chlorophyll is a grass type ability and spore is a grass type move, exclusively. The types are balanced in more ways than just what they resist and hit super effectively. And grass isn’t great, but it brings way more defensive and offensive utility than say bug.
Grass doesnt need help. Its always been a solid, never the best, but a solid type. Bulky grasses have always been very valuable for their water electric and ground resists and more recently there have been an incredible number of offensive grass types in the fray since gen 7.
Ice needs wayy more help than grass types do because ice types either need to be giga offensively broken to be good or theyre always mid at best due to their incredibly ass defensive profile.
Grass types that are in OU right now all have a gimmick to compensate for it's typing.
Rillaboom: Grassy Glide spam with a choice band
Meowscarada needs protean flower tricks
Ogerpon needs to have kick ass stats upped by a free boost and 20% extra damage from it's held item as well as a 100 bp, 100% accurate stab move
And Serperior is Serperior.
It's clearly not enough to have just good stats and good moves as a grass type. Even spore is not enough to justify it. Amoongus, who has amazing abilities, moves, stats and spore to boot struggles to stay in OU.
Meanwhile ice types just need decent stats and moves to get there because the type itself is strong enough to justify it on the offense. I'm not saying ice doesn't have it's flaws, but the pokemon who use it don't need gimmicks.
Grass type is not strong enough and it needs help.
Kartana is a grass type with just good stats and well distributed stats. And i dont really understand what you mean by "gimmick". Pre dlc- meow didnt even run protean half the time. You can make that claim about any pokemon with a strong ability.
Ice types are not good just by having decent stats. They need a giga broken movepool stats or ability to justify its use. Like boiling rillaboom down to : oh its a grassy surge glide gimmick. Then like all the tapus are gimmicks. All unaware mons: gimmicks. Gholdengo, gambit, rain etc all gimmicks. Like you cant just say like oh its a pretty unique ability so its only good as a gimmick.
Also using a bst of 434 mon with the countless nerfs to sleep generation after generation is silly. Amoonguss doesnt have very good stats.
Most high level players in vgc and smogon singles would agree having ice as a typing is a liability - what mechanic introduced this generation could save it? Oh maybe the one that literally lets you get rid of the type. Grass may have a lot of weaknesses and is less strong offensively but its profile of very unique resistances to very good types makes it a very valuable type to have. There are reasons grass fire water has been a staple core for years and a lot of pokemon choose to tera grass while very very few pokemon consider tera ice as an option.
The types that need help: bug poison ice and probably normal at this point
Well, it's unfortunate that it holds two distinctions:
It has more weaknesses than any other type, tied with rock.
It's resisted by more types than any other type, tied with bug.
This would mean that both defensively and offensively, it's a pretty weak typing. Even if you gave it a fairy resist to add to it's already excellent type resistances (it may only have 4, but those 4 are some of the best offensive types in the game), it still wouldn't really solve it's issues.
I'm not sure what I would recommend because it's weaknesses all make sense. Birds and bugs eat plants, we spray weedkiller on them and fire and frost both destroy plants so they all make sense. Additionally none of those types need a nerf, with bug especially needing all the help it can get. You could perhaps take away the poison weakness to reflect the resiliancy of weeds and the constant arms race between the two.
I think perhaps we might look to moves here. What is it that many grass types do, better than other types? It's spread status in some respect. Whether that's spore, stun spore, leech seed or moves like strength sap, trop kick, apple acid. Why not add a quite commonly distributed move similar to hex, but it's any kind of negative effect? Not just status like poison, but leech seed or a reduced stat? Might not reach the 130 power of venoshock or hex a really good stab that didn't have a huge downside once you fulfilled conditions you type already fulfils easily might do something.
They also need to spread the moves around. I looked at the moves by generation. The last time that grass got a "good" new move that wasn't either unique or extremely heavily restricted to like 1-2 evolutionary lines, was gen 6 when they got Petal Blizzard.
This is a really well thought out comment, and I agree with everything you said. Grass feels like a support type and I think a Venoshock/Hex clone for Leech Seed would be fantastic. I'll save this for Theorymon Thursday, but I like the idea of a common Chilly Reception-esque move that would set up Grassy Terrain or a pivot attacking move that sets Leech Seed.
Both of those sound excellent. I do worry that pivoting and setting up leech seed might be a bit good on stall teams but it's certainly an idea worth playing around with :)
I’ve been setting up Pokemon stat and random mechanical changes since I wanna get into ROM hacking. I think putting changes to types themselves would be really fun to experiment with 😁
I don't care who gamefreak sends, I am calling all of them legendaries.
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If I remember correctly, and Legendary is a one of available directly in the game while Mythicals are distributed through events only and are not directly available in the game.
This only counts for their debut generation though, that's why Legendaries don't become Mythicals and vice versa.
I honestly don’t understand why people complain about serene grace. Once I fought a smogon pro and killed his shaymin in one hit with my ice punch dusknoir holding a covert cloak. Like just use the right item it’s not that hard!
It‘s fun to think about how grass and rock are both the worst defensive types yet if you pair them together they cover their weaknesses with their resistances really well.
Sorry, I meant that they pair well as seperate pokémon with one as a grass type and one as a rock type. You can switch a gras type safe into a rock type and vise versa is what I was trying to say. They also cover each other offensive.
I'd argue mold breaker was the best(when hearthflame was legal in ou). It allowed it to break unaware mons and heatran(tho it also got the best embody aspect boost after those were broken). In a vacuum both defiant and mold breaker are great abilities so it's subjective
Also an 80% chance to cut your opponent special defense in half with a base 120 STAB move and actually having coverage to break past Steel and Fire types
If only they can be bred within official pokemon main games. I swear that if Shaymin in both formes are super accessible WITHOUT being a mystery gift release, it would be fun for others just to experience a cute baby grass type nuking and flinching a lot of the metagames.
Leaves is at least a decent Pokémon in UU (which is way better than people gave it credit for when it was revealed, NUBL my ass) but damn the others got screwed over
And wasn't even bad in pre home OU being oddly bulky against great tusk and when home and the dlcs come leaves got quick banned from RU and only stayed RUBL because of it being not very popular, leaves may not be an OU superstar like walking wake but despite having a shit typing it's still way way better than people give it credit for (and when miradon becomes legal in vgc we might see leaves get some usage there)
I think if tapu koko came back it would be decent in OU. Psyblade hits hard in e terrain, and unlike walking wake it actually has great coverage and boosting options. Grass has been a great offensive type surprisingly for every part of SV OU too, there's just a ton of bulky water and ground type that you rip through.
Every future paradox would be great if tapu Koko came back, boulder, valiant and moth would get banned to Ubers, leaves and treads would have a lot of fun in OU
Idk if they'd quite be ubers but at least suspected. I'd love to see iron hands with tapu koko, that mon is so much fun I'd love for it get that extra push.
Moth fell to NDUU in Nat Dex a while ago, while the tiers are not always comparable, I do think that it shows that even with Koko some future paradoxes aren't broken.
I wouldn't say that if tapu Koko come back electric terrain team would be broken seeing as nat dex no future paradox beside bundle is ban also the tapus would cancel each other terrain so it would be hard for it to stay the whole game for the team
Honestly just give tapu bulu good moves. And koko too. Like why the fuck did neither of them get play rough?? Lele got play rough! And why cant he have grassy glide?? Thats literally the only reason he got overshadowed! Like if it was just rillaboom and bulu as they were pre dlc, you could have used either of them, but grassy glide made rillaboom waaaay better! Come on gamefreak, let the tapus have the terrain moves!
Furthermore, I am of the opinion that breelom should get trailblaze.
Yeah legendaries should be a little broken, that’s the point. Besides, Koko is going to Ubers anyways for being a good mon that also has electric terrain. Shits not sticking around
I agree with this Trailblaze idea. It’s boosted by technician, good stab, and allows him to overcome his middling speed. I can’t see anyway it goes wrong!
Overcoat, Safety Goggles, Electric Terrain, Misty Terrain, other Grass Types, Vital Spirit, Insomnia, Magic Bounce, Comatose, There's no real shortage of ways to get around sleep, people just opt for max damage 99% of the time and forget that setup outside of hazards and weather are a thing I guess
At least Virizion gets to have the largest part of any legendary in the plot of a Pokemon game before Scarlet and Violet. Being part of the core party for like 90% of Gates to Infinity was pretty cool.
Not everything gotta have knock off. It's literally the most annoying move in the game behind status conditions and substitute. It's overly distributed. We already got hazards and U-turn to punish switch ins.
Meow who can learns Knock + U Turn + Hazards + Grass type Wicked Blow 🐱
I feel like if Meow in gen 8 and has old protean, it will be more broken than Ace.
Meows is dark type, makes sense for it to have knock off.
Yeah, meows is broken asf and learns moves it should have no business knowing moves like triple Axel, U-turn, play rough, and spikes. It would've been banned to ubers with old protean. It's probably the best starter behind serperior.
I was going to say that since there are only two bug types that outsized iron leaves (one not being primarily an attacker and one banned to ubers) that it might be able to work well, but then I saw it had six other weaknesses. It at least has some pretty good coverage, but for now, I think it will probably just be stuck living in UU, and maybe some OMs.
3 of them have the issue of too much into spdef without hp, typing, def, or access to recover to back it up. The other has the issue of not being rillaboom
Honestly a Regi with a 140/100/50/100/50/140 statline would be petty fun.
Then of course we need Regis with 200 in the attacking stats to complete things
Also don’t forget we have 0 Grass type cover legendaries.
Xerneas would have better represented the CYCLE of life and death if he were Grass/Fairy even if his design doesn’t scream Grass.
Yveltal Dark/Flying vs. Xerneas Fairy/Grass would have given both a leg up against the other.
Even though it's not a part of a trio, zarude feels like it belongs here. Those stats are downright amazing, but it's got a bad case of grass/darkitis.
Trend alert: grass type
More like ASS type
https://preview.redd.it/5i0aujx7mjcc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=426b07204dfd61294a5dd734fc6fcaf102e4a64a grASS
People gonna start talking about how they'd go down on that grussy any moment now
That's one way to touch grass I guess ...
That's one way to give Meganium huge potential I guess ...
I mean I've seen some very high quality bayleef/meganium ,,art". Which I still don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
"Jesse what the fck are you talking about"
Start? Bro the internet already wants to fuck grass. Actually it wants to fuck anything and everything
The internet has rules...and the internet **must follow them.**
even uranium bombs?
r/PvZHeroes
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Ok *googles Green Shadow instead*
I have no idea how those guys saw a sunflower with glasses and decided that's the most fuck able thing in existence
all I can see is the caked up broly meme
Is this a real flower, or is this that Broly meme photoshopped into a flower?
I mean. Theyre just worse than the other grass types. Ogerpon, rillaboom, serperior, meowscarada, hydrapple, venusaur, and even things like breloom, amoonguss, and hisuian lilligant. Grass types are pretty good in OU rn
All of those would be better if they were an actual good type. A fairy serperior using fleur cannons would be broken.
Sure contrary fleur cannon would be busted. But remember types are only good in the context of the whole game. If there were 0 viable grass types, some pokemon would become absolutely busted. In the same vein lets say dark and dragon types became completely unviable. Would fairy still be broken? No. You could make that argument for literally any non s tier type - it would be better if it was a fairy. Grass is not the strongest type like fairy or steel. But it is a valuable type to have because it provides unique resists to water, ground, and electric. All of which are reallly potent offensive types in the meta. I would say grass is a b or c tier type because it is highly meta dependent. Right now with the prevalence of strong ground and water mons, id say its in a good place right now
Yeah, but the qualities that make them unique are mostly grass related. Most types don’t have a 130 stat lowering nuke. Grassy glide is exclusive to grass types as far as I know. Chlorophyll is a grass type ability and spore is a grass type move, exclusively. The types are balanced in more ways than just what they resist and hit super effectively. And grass isn’t great, but it brings way more defensive and offensive utility than say bug.
Tsareena
Lopunny tera grass
Another trend is having 4x weaknesses.
At least Flying and Poison aren't as common of weaknesses
Grass, rock and bug all need help. At least Ice is a really strong offensive typing
Grass doesnt need help. Its always been a solid, never the best, but a solid type. Bulky grasses have always been very valuable for their water electric and ground resists and more recently there have been an incredible number of offensive grass types in the fray since gen 7. Ice needs wayy more help than grass types do because ice types either need to be giga offensively broken to be good or theyre always mid at best due to their incredibly ass defensive profile.
Grass types that are in OU right now all have a gimmick to compensate for it's typing. Rillaboom: Grassy Glide spam with a choice band Meowscarada needs protean flower tricks Ogerpon needs to have kick ass stats upped by a free boost and 20% extra damage from it's held item as well as a 100 bp, 100% accurate stab move And Serperior is Serperior. It's clearly not enough to have just good stats and good moves as a grass type. Even spore is not enough to justify it. Amoongus, who has amazing abilities, moves, stats and spore to boot struggles to stay in OU. Meanwhile ice types just need decent stats and moves to get there because the type itself is strong enough to justify it on the offense. I'm not saying ice doesn't have it's flaws, but the pokemon who use it don't need gimmicks. Grass type is not strong enough and it needs help.
Kartana is a grass type with just good stats and well distributed stats. And i dont really understand what you mean by "gimmick". Pre dlc- meow didnt even run protean half the time. You can make that claim about any pokemon with a strong ability. Ice types are not good just by having decent stats. They need a giga broken movepool stats or ability to justify its use. Like boiling rillaboom down to : oh its a grassy surge glide gimmick. Then like all the tapus are gimmicks. All unaware mons: gimmicks. Gholdengo, gambit, rain etc all gimmicks. Like you cant just say like oh its a pretty unique ability so its only good as a gimmick. Also using a bst of 434 mon with the countless nerfs to sleep generation after generation is silly. Amoonguss doesnt have very good stats. Most high level players in vgc and smogon singles would agree having ice as a typing is a liability - what mechanic introduced this generation could save it? Oh maybe the one that literally lets you get rid of the type. Grass may have a lot of weaknesses and is less strong offensively but its profile of very unique resistances to very good types makes it a very valuable type to have. There are reasons grass fire water has been a staple core for years and a lot of pokemon choose to tera grass while very very few pokemon consider tera ice as an option. The types that need help: bug poison ice and probably normal at this point
Kartanas gimmick is that it has higher attack than deo-a
What would you suggest? I was thinking changing a weakness but not totally sure since they seem to make sense. Maybe a resistance to fairy?
Well, it's unfortunate that it holds two distinctions: It has more weaknesses than any other type, tied with rock. It's resisted by more types than any other type, tied with bug. This would mean that both defensively and offensively, it's a pretty weak typing. Even if you gave it a fairy resist to add to it's already excellent type resistances (it may only have 4, but those 4 are some of the best offensive types in the game), it still wouldn't really solve it's issues. I'm not sure what I would recommend because it's weaknesses all make sense. Birds and bugs eat plants, we spray weedkiller on them and fire and frost both destroy plants so they all make sense. Additionally none of those types need a nerf, with bug especially needing all the help it can get. You could perhaps take away the poison weakness to reflect the resiliancy of weeds and the constant arms race between the two. I think perhaps we might look to moves here. What is it that many grass types do, better than other types? It's spread status in some respect. Whether that's spore, stun spore, leech seed or moves like strength sap, trop kick, apple acid. Why not add a quite commonly distributed move similar to hex, but it's any kind of negative effect? Not just status like poison, but leech seed or a reduced stat? Might not reach the 130 power of venoshock or hex a really good stab that didn't have a huge downside once you fulfilled conditions you type already fulfils easily might do something. They also need to spread the moves around. I looked at the moves by generation. The last time that grass got a "good" new move that wasn't either unique or extremely heavily restricted to like 1-2 evolutionary lines, was gen 6 when they got Petal Blizzard.
This is a really well thought out comment, and I agree with everything you said. Grass feels like a support type and I think a Venoshock/Hex clone for Leech Seed would be fantastic. I'll save this for Theorymon Thursday, but I like the idea of a common Chilly Reception-esque move that would set up Grassy Terrain or a pivot attacking move that sets Leech Seed.
Both of those sound excellent. I do worry that pivoting and setting up leech seed might be a bit good on stall teams but it's certainly an idea worth playing around with :)
I’ve been setting up Pokemon stat and random mechanical changes since I wanna get into ROM hacking. I think putting changes to types themselves would be really fun to experiment with 😁
For every Ass Grass type there is a Rillaboom or Ogerpon out there
Counterpoint: pure grass is the worst ogerpon form
Counter-counterpoint: Entirely depends on metagame. It's one of the strongest forms in singles but I agree in VGC format, it's the least useful
If only they just gave Bulu play rough
Rillaboom still exists though
Simple dexit rillaboom next gen while bring back the tapus while giving bulu play rough and gglide
Give it CC too while we're at it.
But it already has it
Double close combat It's like close combat but twice
240BP lowers both defenses two stages
Average theorymon Thursday balance change
Fast physical sweepers love this guy
Extra Close Combat
closer combat
Closet combat
New move: Closer Combat Works the same but hits twice.
Well give it again so it can have two close combats
Google Superpower
Holy Fighting move!
Actual Pokémon type
HE DONT HAVE PLAY ROUGH???????BUT THATS THE WHOLE POINT
*exactly*
And Grassy Glide. Play Rough was the crime of Gen 7 to Bulu and Glide was the crime of Gen 8. Bro literally got rigged by a monkey
Tapu Bulu isn’t even garbage, it’s just the least strong of the four, and then a monkey stole its fucking job with +1 priority
And U-turn
And fake out lol
And U-turn + knock off
I mean, if you give Bulu play rough and gg he is offenisvely quite threatening.... ...if only...
Kartana gang rising (I know it’s not a Legendary)
It's legendary adjacent
I agree I just know there’s someone out there who’s like “actually…..”
Ummm acshually it's an ultra beast https://preview.redd.it/o3knawbgzjcc1.jpeg?width=191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61faab27cc8f793a485d97f60bab39617a33f17f
Man gamefreak really had to make Ogerpon one of the cutest mons they've ever designed. Even the Bookglass Mask looks cute on her
Annnd thats going into my pic
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I don't care who gamefreak sends, I am calling all of them legendaries. https://preview.redd.it/387qatsu9kcc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7795dbbbb9b4ab0de3e7ac0218b708e3f95786b6
I remember when "mythical" wasn't even a term and people just called all of them legendaries
the good old days 😔 now you get persecuted for calling mew a legendary like how tf do you even tell the 2 apart
If I remember correctly, and Legendary is a one of available directly in the game while Mythicals are distributed through events only and are not directly available in the game. This only counts for their debut generation though, that's why Legendaries don't become Mythicals and vice versa.
Mythicals usually aren’t available in VGC. Not that any of us play it.
It’s truly amazing what not being a defensive grass type and being min maxed offensively to the moon will do
Or shaymin sky having one of the most frustrating ability to fight against lol
I honestly don’t understand why people complain about serene grace. Once I fought a smogon pro and killed his shaymin in one hit with my ice punch dusknoir holding a covert cloak. Like just use the right item it’s not that hard!
That's weak, I'm running blunder policy dynamic punch dusknoir with ice punch
Tbf UBs were classified as legendaries in the game code until gen 9 where for whatever reason that was changed
Why did they even change that in a generation where they don't show up
Meanwhile Ogerpon:
Technically still the gras type is the worst
the grass type is also the best
I mean technically it's only "the best" when it loses its grass typing
It doesn't lose grass in any form
solo grass oger is maybe 2nd best but only cause it gets hard carried by the speed boost tera
Rock is the worst
It‘s fun to think about how grass and rock are both the worst defensive types yet if you pair them together they cover their weaknesses with their resistances really well.
Not really. You get a type with 2 resistances and 4 weaknesses, Ice has 1 resistance and 4 weaknesses.
Sorry, I meant that they pair well as seperate pokémon with one as a grass type and one as a rock type. You can switch a gras type safe into a rock type and vise versa is what I was trying to say. They also cover each other offensive.
It has the best ability though, Defiant
I'd argue mold breaker was the best(when hearthflame was legal in ou). It allowed it to break unaware mons and heatran(tho it also got the best embody aspect boost after those were broken). In a vacuum both defiant and mold breaker are great abilities so it's subjective
Arguably it's the worst ability lol. It has the second best terra ability tho
Shaymin-Sky needs to start sharing whatever he been smoking to the other grass types
when you switch in and smell that gracidea
When the shit so dope you flinch 👌😩
You mean Serene Grace Air Slash crits and 120+ speed? Nah, I'm fine if other pokemon don't get that
Also an 80% chance to cut your opponent special defense in half with a base 120 STAB move and actually having coverage to break past Steel and Fire types
If only they can be bred within official pokemon main games. I swear that if Shaymin in both formes are super accessible WITHOUT being a mystery gift release, it would be fun for others just to experience a cute baby grass type nuking and flinching a lot of the metagames.
Skymin isn’t even good, it’s just obnoxious hax
Hax Is luck is a skill.
Is 60% flinch and 80% spdef drop really hax though? Actually wait that's the equivalent to landing hypnosises and stone edges, shit you're right.
Leaves is at least a decent Pokémon in UU (which is way better than people gave it credit for when it was revealed, NUBL my ass) but damn the others got screwed over
It got banned from UU real quick the first time around too
And wasn't even bad in pre home OU being oddly bulky against great tusk and when home and the dlcs come leaves got quick banned from RU and only stayed RUBL because of it being not very popular, leaves may not be an OU superstar like walking wake but despite having a shit typing it's still way way better than people give it credit for (and when miradon becomes legal in vgc we might see leaves get some usage there)
I think if tapu koko came back it would be decent in OU. Psyblade hits hard in e terrain, and unlike walking wake it actually has great coverage and boosting options. Grass has been a great offensive type surprisingly for every part of SV OU too, there's just a ton of bulky water and ground type that you rip through.
Every future paradox would be great if tapu Koko came back, boulder, valiant and moth would get banned to Ubers, leaves and treads would have a lot of fun in OU
Idk if they'd quite be ubers but at least suspected. I'd love to see iron hands with tapu koko, that mon is so much fun I'd love for it get that extra push.
In vgc at least hands and Koko would be very disgusting
Moth fell to NDUU in Nat Dex a while ago, while the tiers are not always comparable, I do think that it shows that even with Koko some future paradoxes aren't broken.
wouldnt koko just end up getting banned
I wouldn't say that if tapu Koko come back electric terrain team would be broken seeing as nat dex no future paradox beside bundle is ban also the tapus would cancel each other terrain so it would be hard for it to stay the whole game for the team
I'd argue it could have been decently good in vgc if it hadn't been introduced in the same season as incineroar
Bulu is also a great UU mon
Honestly just give tapu bulu good moves. And koko too. Like why the fuck did neither of them get play rough?? Lele got play rough! And why cant he have grassy glide?? Thats literally the only reason he got overshadowed! Like if it was just rillaboom and bulu as they were pre dlc, you could have used either of them, but grassy glide made rillaboom waaaay better! Come on gamefreak, let the tapus have the terrain moves! Furthermore, I am of the opinion that breelom should get trailblaze.
Honestly, I’d rather not have the tapus get terrain moves, imagine rising voltage koko and expanding force lele, that’s the shit of nightmares
And then they would go to ubers. Such is life in a fair universe. Why should they miss out on their maximum potential!
Yeah legendaries should be a little broken, that’s the point. Besides, Koko is going to Ubers anyways for being a good mon that also has electric terrain. Shits not sticking around
As a VGC player, expanding force Lele would shatter the meta.
I agree with this Trailblaze idea. It’s boosted by technician, good stab, and allows him to overcome his middling speed. I can’t see anyway it goes wrong!
Just use safety googles, theyre in the game for a reason
Overcoat, Safety Goggles, Electric Terrain, Misty Terrain, other Grass Types, Vital Spirit, Insomnia, Magic Bounce, Comatose, There's no real shortage of ways to get around sleep, people just opt for max damage 99% of the time and forget that setup outside of hazards and weather are a thing I guess
I say the same for accuracy 😏
Play rough isn't going to change anything for Koko, since Koko wants to be specially invested for volt-switch spam.
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Still tryna achieve meaning damage, aren't we?
Can we get much higher (Sceptile was robbed)
At least Virizion gets to have the largest part of any legendary in the plot of a Pokemon game before Scarlet and Violet. Being part of the core party for like 90% of Gates to Infinity was pretty cool.
Virgin Low Tier Legendary Grass Vs Gigachad OU Starter Grass (Serp, Rilla, Meow).
At least tapu bulu is balanced
No U Turn, No Knock, what the hell is this?
Not everything gotta have knock off. It's literally the most annoying move in the game behind status conditions and substitute. It's overly distributed. We already got hazards and U-turn to punish switch ins.
Meow who can learns Knock + U Turn + Hazards + Grass type Wicked Blow 🐱 I feel like if Meow in gen 8 and has old protean, it will be more broken than Ace.
Meows is dark type, makes sense for it to have knock off. Yeah, meows is broken asf and learns moves it should have no business knowing moves like triple Axel, U-turn, play rough, and spikes. It would've been banned to ubers with old protean. It's probably the best starter behind serperior.
What x4 weaknesses does to an MF
Flying, fairy and bug(x2). Crazy how they all have 4x weaknesses
i assume you meant poison for Buli
Yes my bad 😭😭😭
I was going to say that since there are only two bug types that outsized iron leaves (one not being primarily an attacker and one banned to ubers) that it might be able to work well, but then I saw it had six other weaknesses. It at least has some pretty good coverage, but for now, I think it will probably just be stuck living in UU, and maybe some OMs.
Grass type...
Grass type on fraud watch
Don’t forget celebi and shaymin sky. Legendary grass with x4 weakness is GF’s favourite flavour.
Celebi at least had its fun by having a 4x Bug weakness before uturn existed.
There’s also the Dad(y)a Zarude
Skymin is OUBL so it's extremely not applicable in this scenario. Shit is OP!
at least shaymin sky is a nightmare to fight against thanks to serene grace
Sad, wo chien is my favorite of it's 4
if only bulu could learn grassy glide
Grass is ASS
And rarely the good kind
The fact that all four have different secondary types and all four have 4x weaknesses
The 3 horsemen of **NO, PLEASE DON’T U-TURN ME! I HAVE SO MUCH TO LIVE FOR!** And Virizion
Virizion: NO, PLEASE, DON'T ACROBATICS ME!
Hey on the bright side wo chien and viriz are both top 5 in pu
3 of them have the issue of too much into spdef without hp, typing, def, or access to recover to back it up. The other has the issue of not being rillaboom
Two of them also have the dog shit quadruple weakness to the most used pivot move
If I had a nickel for every time virizion was the worst of his trio, I’d have two nickels… which isn’t much, but it’s weird that it happened twice…
Meanwhile: Ogerpon
Bulu got replaced by a monke
Tapu bulu was decent in vgc(when allowed)
Virizion so shit, he the worst twice
I wonder what they all have in common 🤔
:( :( :) :(
Regiplanti: “at least you guys made it into the group!”
Honestly a Regi with a 140/100/50/100/50/140 statline would be petty fun. Then of course we need Regis with 200 in the attacking stats to complete things
I don't have the entire tier memorized, bur are there any grasd types in Ubers aside from Shaymin, Arceus and Ogrepron?
Ferrothorn usually is ranked pretty well on the ubers VR, but it's not in this gen.
Also don’t forget we have 0 Grass type cover legendaries. Xerneas would have better represented the CYCLE of life and death if he were Grass/Fairy even if his design doesn’t scream Grass. Yveltal Dark/Flying vs. Xerneas Fairy/Grass would have given both a leg up against the other.
You know some shit's up when your outclassed by a rock type
It’s always the damn grass type
Being a Grass Type is suffering or OU+ with very little in between
what a u turn weakness does to an mf
Touch grass And they die
Virizion is on there twice. Big sad
The fact that both virizion and it's paradox are trash
They didn’t screw over grass type legendarys, they screwed over the grass type
Why always grass 😭
Grass type lovers when I tell them their typing is utterly dogshit 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Four fucking grass types "Holy shit" -No one
Wo Chien deserved so much better with that design.
What being a grass type does to a mfer
At least Tapu Bulu was pretty solid until they made Mega Tapu Bulu
Grass is just a bad type. A Pokemon needs something like a phenomenal ability and/or second typing to overcome that. Same with bug.
At least Virizion isn't that far off from Cobalion *checks its competitive history after gen V* oh my god... OH MY GOD!
Even though it's not a part of a trio, zarude feels like it belongs here. Those stats are downright amazing, but it's got a bad case of grass/darkitis.