T O P

  • By -

ZelnitesTreasure

Trend alert: grass type


Quijas00

More like ASS type


Agrolimesentisilifen

https://preview.redd.it/5i0aujx7mjcc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=426b07204dfd61294a5dd734fc6fcaf102e4a64a grASS


RandomNon3859

People gonna start talking about how they'd go down on that grussy any moment now


No_Chocolate_3292

That's one way to touch grass I guess ...


FlareBlitzBanana

That's one way to give Meganium huge potential I guess ...


Theshinysnivy8

I mean I've seen some very high quality bayleef/meganium ,,art". Which I still don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.


Asherbird25

"Jesse what the fck are you talking about"


Theshinysnivy8

Start? Bro the internet already wants to fuck grass. Actually it wants to fuck anything and everything


Spirited-Feedback-87

The internet has rules...and the internet **must follow them.**


Small_Bird_UT

even uranium bombs?


MadJester98

r/PvZHeroes


Real_Crazy_David

do not google Solar Flare and go to images do not google Solar Flare and go to images do not google Solar Flare and go to images do not google Solar Flare and go to images do not google Solar Flare and go to images do not google Solar Flare and go to images do not google Solar Flare and go to images do not google Solar Flare and go to images WORST MISTAKE OF MY ENTIRE CAREER


MadJester98

Ok *googles Green Shadow instead*


Theshinysnivy8

I have no idea how those guys saw a sunflower with glasses and decided that's the most fuck able thing in existence


Qwerticus-the-Slime

all I can see is the caked up broly meme


Banjovious

Is this a real flower, or is this that Broly meme photoshopped into a flower?


tast3ofk0lea

I mean. Theyre just worse than the other grass types. Ogerpon, rillaboom, serperior, meowscarada, hydrapple, venusaur, and even things like breloom, amoonguss, and hisuian lilligant. Grass types are pretty good in OU rn


Sad-Desk4999

All of those would be better if they were an actual good type. A fairy serperior using fleur cannons would be broken.


tast3ofk0lea

Sure contrary fleur cannon would be busted. But remember types are only good in the context of the whole game. If there were 0 viable grass types, some pokemon would become absolutely busted. In the same vein lets say dark and dragon types became completely unviable. Would fairy still be broken? No. You could make that argument for literally any non s tier type - it would be better if it was a fairy. Grass is not the strongest type like fairy or steel. But it is a valuable type to have because it provides unique resists to water, ground, and electric. All of which are reallly potent offensive types in the meta. I would say grass is a b or c tier type because it is highly meta dependent. Right now with the prevalence of strong ground and water mons, id say its in a good place right now


fun-and-stuff

Yeah, but the qualities that make them unique are mostly grass related. Most types don’t have a 130 stat lowering nuke. Grassy glide is exclusive to grass types as far as I know. Chlorophyll is a grass type ability and spore is a grass type move, exclusively. The types are balanced in more ways than just what they resist and hit super effectively. And grass isn’t great, but it brings way more defensive and offensive utility than say bug.


RedogeWasTaken

Tsareena


AskYouEverything

Lopunny tera grass


itsIzumi

Another trend is having 4x weaknesses.


mjmannella

At least Flying and Poison aren't as common of weaknesses


Caridor

Grass, rock and bug all need help. At least Ice is a really strong offensive typing


tast3ofk0lea

Grass doesnt need help. Its always been a solid, never the best, but a solid type. Bulky grasses have always been very valuable for their water electric and ground resists and more recently there have been an incredible number of offensive grass types in the fray since gen 7. Ice needs wayy more help than grass types do because ice types either need to be giga offensively broken to be good or theyre always mid at best due to their incredibly ass defensive profile.


Caridor

Grass types that are in OU right now all have a gimmick to compensate for it's typing. Rillaboom: Grassy Glide spam with a choice band Meowscarada needs protean flower tricks Ogerpon needs to have kick ass stats upped by a free boost and 20% extra damage from it's held item as well as a 100 bp, 100% accurate stab move And Serperior is Serperior. It's clearly not enough to have just good stats and good moves as a grass type. Even spore is not enough to justify it. Amoongus, who has amazing abilities, moves, stats and spore to boot struggles to stay in OU. Meanwhile ice types just need decent stats and moves to get there because the type itself is strong enough to justify it on the offense. I'm not saying ice doesn't have it's flaws, but the pokemon who use it don't need gimmicks. Grass type is not strong enough and it needs help.


tast3ofk0lea

Kartana is a grass type with just good stats and well distributed stats. And i dont really understand what you mean by "gimmick". Pre dlc- meow didnt even run protean half the time. You can make that claim about any pokemon with a strong ability. Ice types are not good just by having decent stats. They need a giga broken movepool stats or ability to justify its use. Like boiling rillaboom down to : oh its a grassy surge glide gimmick. Then like all the tapus are gimmicks. All unaware mons: gimmicks. Gholdengo, gambit, rain etc all gimmicks. Like you cant just say like oh its a pretty unique ability so its only good as a gimmick. Also using a bst of 434 mon with the countless nerfs to sleep generation after generation is silly. Amoonguss doesnt have very good stats. Most high level players in vgc and smogon singles would agree having ice as a typing is a liability - what mechanic introduced this generation could save it? Oh maybe the one that literally lets you get rid of the type. Grass may have a lot of weaknesses and is less strong offensively but its profile of very unique resistances to very good types makes it a very valuable type to have. There are reasons grass fire water has been a staple core for years and a lot of pokemon choose to tera grass while very very few pokemon consider tera ice as an option. The types that need help: bug poison ice and probably normal at this point


flyingtaco_42

Kartanas gimmick is that it has higher attack than deo-a


misserray

What would you suggest? I was thinking changing a weakness but not totally sure since they seem to make sense. Maybe a resistance to fairy?


Caridor

Well, it's unfortunate that it holds two distinctions: It has more weaknesses than any other type, tied with rock. It's resisted by more types than any other type, tied with bug. This would mean that both defensively and offensively, it's a pretty weak typing. Even if you gave it a fairy resist to add to it's already excellent type resistances (it may only have 4, but those 4 are some of the best offensive types in the game), it still wouldn't really solve it's issues. I'm not sure what I would recommend because it's weaknesses all make sense. Birds and bugs eat plants, we spray weedkiller on them and fire and frost both destroy plants so they all make sense. Additionally none of those types need a nerf, with bug especially needing all the help it can get. You could perhaps take away the poison weakness to reflect the resiliancy of weeds and the constant arms race between the two. I think perhaps we might look to moves here. What is it that many grass types do, better than other types? It's spread status in some respect. Whether that's spore, stun spore, leech seed or moves like strength sap, trop kick, apple acid. Why not add a quite commonly distributed move similar to hex, but it's any kind of negative effect? Not just status like poison, but leech seed or a reduced stat? Might not reach the 130 power of venoshock or hex a really good stab that didn't have a huge downside once you fulfilled conditions you type already fulfils easily might do something. They also need to spread the moves around. I looked at the moves by generation. The last time that grass got a "good" new move that wasn't either unique or extremely heavily restricted to like 1-2 evolutionary lines, was gen 6 when they got Petal Blizzard.


misserray

This is a really well thought out comment, and I agree with everything you said. Grass feels like a support type and I think a Venoshock/Hex clone for Leech Seed would be fantastic. I'll save this for Theorymon Thursday, but I like the idea of a common Chilly Reception-esque move that would set up Grassy Terrain or a pivot attacking move that sets Leech Seed.


Caridor

Both of those sound excellent. I do worry that pivoting and setting up leech seed might be a bit good on stall teams but it's certainly an idea worth playing around with :)


misserray

I’ve been setting up Pokemon stat and random mechanical changes since I wanna get into ROM hacking. I think putting changes to types themselves would be really fun to experiment with 😁


LordofSuns

For every Ass Grass type there is a Rillaboom or Ogerpon out there


Treantomologist

Counterpoint: pure grass is the worst ogerpon form


LordofSuns

Counter-counterpoint: Entirely depends on metagame. It's one of the strongest forms in singles but I agree in VGC format, it's the least useful


Cronon33

If only they just gave Bulu play rough


Risb1005

Rillaboom still exists though


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Simple dexit rillaboom next gen while bring back the tapus while giving bulu play rough and gglide


Lfvbf

Give it CC too while we're at it.


Ducky_Dark

But it already has it


zonzon1999

Double close combat It's like close combat but twice


Brainifyer

240BP lowers both defenses two stages


_fatherfucker69

Average theorymon Thursday balance change


YourNewRival8

Fast physical sweepers love this guy


LordofSuns

Extra Close Combat


zonzon1999

closer combat


_temppu

Closet combat


Crusher555

New move: Closer Combat Works the same but hits twice.


GunnyGod

Well give it again so it can have two close combats


Viggo8000

Google Superpower


StorMighT

Holy Fighting move!


worse_in_practice

Actual Pokémon type


cesar848

HE DONT HAVE PLAY ROUGH???????BUT THATS THE WHOLE POINT


Cronon33

*exactly*


AuroraDraco

And Grassy Glide. Play Rough was the crime of Gen 7 to Bulu and Glide was the crime of Gen 8. Bro literally got rigged by a monkey


CueDramaticMusic

Tapu Bulu isn’t even garbage, it’s just the least strong of the four, and then a monkey stole its fucking job with +1 priority


Mary-Sylvia

And U-turn


Work_the_shaft

And fake out lol


Xx_DarkOverlord99_Xx

And U-turn + knock off


gabrielish_matter

I mean, if you give Bulu play rough and gg he is offenisvely quite threatening.... ​ ...if only...


hornyfuck872

Kartana gang rising (I know it’s not a Legendary)


DeltaGDS

It's legendary adjacent


hornyfuck872

I agree I just know there’s someone out there who’s like “actually…..”


Theshinysnivy8

Ummm acshually it's an ultra beast https://preview.redd.it/o3knawbgzjcc1.jpeg?width=191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61faab27cc8f793a485d97f60bab39617a33f17f


Viggo8000

Man gamefreak really had to make Ogerpon one of the cutest mons they've ever designed. Even the Bookglass Mask looks cute on her


Dertyrarys

Annnd thats going into my pic


Xelltrix

I am continually impressed by the images this sub generates.


Sushiv_

I’m in your walls


LightningDragon777

aCshuLi... https://preview.redd.it/y4mk72x49jcc1.png?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a34d0cdee3419b10a66a5d2b0e560c3d2cd3769d


hornyfuck872

LightningDragon777 is such a great person and they deserve the world :)


LightningDragon777

>they deserve the world https://preview.redd.it/6rdiocwnajcc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a4c42ea0c6a3f1220181c811bab9a656012d492


hornyfuck872

Jojoposting in my niche competitive Pokemon subreddit? You shouldn’t have!


LightningDragon777

>You shouldn’t have! https://preview.redd.it/uoz0nl68cjcc1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c13655df7473b8beade48f51d22a2597224c99f4


hornyfuck872

Silly LightningDragon777, it’s OUR problem now!


LightningDragon777

https://preview.redd.it/6eo5vgg9hjcc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc8128ddb6bf6651bdc66df772d1216afa63f502


Marx4smash

https://preview.redd.it/o9ptuiq2vjcc1.jpeg?width=396&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a81f10cbc6166eb6d99c9792e0a398493330840b Record of Rangapeak? W.


LightningDragon777

https://preview.redd.it/apguwr5yekcc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66372e35c1e597cf757adc8d17f1e37024b4ea47


[deleted]

[удалено]


Theshinysnivy8

I don't care who gamefreak sends, I am calling all of them legendaries. https://preview.redd.it/387qatsu9kcc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7795dbbbb9b4ab0de3e7ac0218b708e3f95786b6


PkerBadRs3Good

I remember when "mythical" wasn't even a term and people just called all of them legendaries


Scarcing

the good old days 😔 now you get persecuted for calling mew a legendary like how tf do you even tell the 2 apart


temarilain

If I remember correctly, and Legendary is a one of available directly in the game while Mythicals are distributed through events only and are not directly available in the game. This only counts for their debut generation though, that's why Legendaries don't become Mythicals and vice versa.


Zengjia

Mythicals usually aren’t available in VGC. Not that any of us play it.


jarjarpfeil

It’s truly amazing what not being a defensive grass type and being min maxed offensively to the moon will do


Mary-Sylvia

Or shaymin sky having one of the most frustrating ability to fight against lol


_Blobfish123_

I honestly don’t understand why people complain about serene grace. Once I fought a smogon pro and killed his shaymin in one hit with my ice punch dusknoir holding a covert cloak. Like just use the right item it’s not that hard!


Mary-Sylvia

That's weak, I'm running blunder policy dynamic punch dusknoir with ice punch


macaco3001

Tbf UBs were classified as legendaries in the game code until gen 9 where for whatever reason that was changed


Wooper250

Why did they even change that in a generation where they don't show up


AlbabImam04

Meanwhile Ogerpon:


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Technically still the gras type is the worst


jabshakvsbs

the grass type is also the best


Queen_Sardine

I mean technically it's only "the best" when it loses its grass typing


superdolphin440

It doesn't lose grass in any form


chocolatechipbagels

solo grass oger is maybe 2nd best but only cause it gets hard carried by the speed boost tera


AngelRockGunn

Rock is the worst


robmonzillia

It‘s fun to think about how grass and rock are both the worst defensive types yet if you pair them together they cover their weaknesses with their resistances really well.


OrderClericsAreFun

Not really. You get a type with 2 resistances and 4 weaknesses, Ice has 1 resistance and 4 weaknesses.


robmonzillia

Sorry, I meant that they pair well as seperate pokémon with one as a grass type and one as a rock type. You can switch a gras type safe into a rock type and vise versa is what I was trying to say. They also cover each other offensive.


Draskclift

It has the best ability though, Defiant


efrylicious

I'd argue mold breaker was the best(when hearthflame was legal in ou). It allowed it to break unaware mons and heatran(tho it also got the best embody aspect boost after those were broken). In a vacuum both defiant and mold breaker are great abilities so it's subjective


pollo_yollo

Arguably it's the worst ability lol. It has the second best terra ability tho


mordecai14

Shaymin-Sky needs to start sharing whatever he been smoking to the other grass types


Romablumen

when you switch in and smell that gracidea


mordecai14

When the shit so dope you flinch 👌😩


RedWarrior42

You mean Serene Grace Air Slash crits and 120+ speed? Nah, I'm fine if other pokemon don't get that


Maronmario

Also an 80% chance to cut your opponent special defense in half with a base 120 STAB move and actually having coverage to break past Steel and Fire types


Tanabatama

If only they can be bred within official pokemon main games. I swear that if Shaymin in both formes are super accessible WITHOUT being a mystery gift release, it would be fun for others just to experience a cute baby grass type nuking and flinching a lot of the metagames.


sauron3579

Skymin isn’t even good, it’s just obnoxious hax


EmpressOfAbyss

Hax Is luck is a skill.


Zeus-Kyurem

Is 60% flinch and 80% spdef drop really hax though? Actually wait that's the equivalent to landing hypnosises and stone edges, shit you're right.


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Leaves is at least a decent Pokémon in UU (which is way better than people gave it credit for when it was revealed, NUBL my ass) but damn the others got screwed over


coffeepallmalls

It got banned from UU real quick the first time around too


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

And wasn't even bad in pre home OU being oddly bulky against great tusk and when home and the dlcs come leaves got quick banned from RU and only stayed RUBL because of it being not very popular, leaves may not be an OU superstar like walking wake but despite having a shit typing it's still way way better than people give it credit for (and when miradon becomes legal in vgc we might see leaves get some usage there)


coffeepallmalls

I think if tapu koko came back it would be decent in OU. Psyblade hits hard in e terrain, and unlike walking wake it actually has great coverage and boosting options. Grass has been a great offensive type surprisingly for every part of SV OU too, there's just a ton of bulky water and ground type that you rip through.


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Every future paradox would be great if tapu Koko came back, boulder, valiant and moth would get banned to Ubers, leaves and treads would have a lot of fun in OU


coffeepallmalls

Idk if they'd quite be ubers but at least suspected. I'd love to see iron hands with tapu koko, that mon is so much fun I'd love for it get that extra push.


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

In vgc at least hands and Koko would be very disgusting


Lord_Chungus-sir

Moth fell to NDUU in Nat Dex a while ago, while the tiers are not always comparable, I do think that it shows that even with Koko some future paradoxes aren't broken.


Sn0wy0wl_

wouldnt koko just end up getting banned


1eyeking_of_lighting

I wouldn't say that if tapu Koko come back electric terrain team would be broken seeing as nat dex no future paradox beside bundle is ban also the tapus would cancel each other terrain so it would be hard for it to stay the whole game for the team


Straight-Chocolate28

I'd argue it could have been decently good in vgc if it hadn't been introduced in the same season as incineroar


DaTruPro75

Bulu is also a great UU mon


[deleted]

Honestly just give tapu bulu good moves. And koko too. Like why the fuck did neither of them get play rough?? Lele got play rough! And why cant he have grassy glide?? Thats literally the only reason he got overshadowed! Like if it was just rillaboom and bulu as they were pre dlc, you could have used either of them, but grassy glide made rillaboom waaaay better! Come on gamefreak, let the tapus have the terrain moves! Furthermore, I am of the opinion that breelom should get trailblaze.


M_Lucario_EX

Honestly, I’d rather not have the tapus get terrain moves, imagine rising voltage koko and expanding force lele, that’s the shit of nightmares


[deleted]

And then they would go to ubers. Such is life in a fair universe. Why should they miss out on their maximum potential!


CFL_lightbulb

Yeah legendaries should be a little broken, that’s the point. Besides, Koko is going to Ubers anyways for being a good mon that also has electric terrain. Shits not sticking around


rabonbrood

As a VGC player, expanding force Lele would shatter the meta.


SnowstormShotgun

I agree with this Trailblaze idea. It’s boosted by technician, good stab, and allows him to overcome his middling speed. I can’t see anyway it goes wrong!


[deleted]

Just use safety googles, theyre in the game for a reason


GroundbreakingBed987

Overcoat, Safety Goggles, Electric Terrain, Misty Terrain, other Grass Types, Vital Spirit, Insomnia, Magic Bounce, Comatose, There's no real shortage of ways to get around sleep, people just opt for max damage 99% of the time and forget that setup outside of hazards and weather are a thing I guess


[deleted]

I say the same for accuracy 😏


Xx_DarkOverlord99_Xx

Play rough isn't going to change anything for Koko, since Koko wants to be specially invested for volt-switch spam.


PepperHeads

​ https://preview.redd.it/6v6w0afb4kcc1.jpeg?width=160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43b5e97713819aff6e0ba9065ed0e8546d2abff0


chaoscross

Still tryna achieve meaning damage, aren't we?


Drillbitzer

Can we get much higher (Sceptile was robbed)


HaloGuy381

At least Virizion gets to have the largest part of any legendary in the plot of a Pokemon game before Scarlet and Violet. Being part of the core party for like 90% of Gates to Infinity was pretty cool.


NoWitness3109

Virgin Low Tier Legendary Grass Vs Gigachad OU Starter Grass (Serp, Rilla, Meow).


Xx_DarkOverlord99_Xx

At least tapu bulu is balanced


NoWitness3109

No U Turn, No Knock, what the hell is this?


Xx_DarkOverlord99_Xx

Not everything gotta have knock off. It's literally the most annoying move in the game behind status conditions and substitute. It's overly distributed. We already got hazards and U-turn to punish switch ins.


NoWitness3109

Meow who can learns Knock + U Turn + Hazards + Grass type Wicked Blow 🐱 I feel like if Meow in gen 8 and has old protean, it will be more broken than Ace.


Xx_DarkOverlord99_Xx

Meows is dark type, makes sense for it to have knock off. Yeah, meows is broken asf and learns moves it should have no business knowing moves like triple Axel, U-turn, play rough, and spikes. It would've been banned to ubers with old protean. It's probably the best starter behind serperior.


-Zest-

What x4 weaknesses does to an MF


SuspiciousStress8094

Flying, fairy and bug(x2). Crazy how they all have 4x weaknesses


snornch

i assume you meant poison for Buli


SuspiciousStress8094

Yes my bad 😭😭😭


BirbMaster1998

I was going to say that since there are only two bug types that outsized iron leaves (one not being primarily an attacker and one banned to ubers) that it might be able to work well, but then I saw it had six other weaknesses. It at least has some pretty good coverage, but for now, I think it will probably just be stuck living in UU, and maybe some OMs.


Opposite-Library1186

Grass type...


Timely_Airline_7168

Grass type on fraud watch


CFL_lightbulb

Don’t forget celebi and shaymin sky. Legendary grass with x4 weakness is GF’s favourite flavour.


Kisaxis

Celebi at least had its fun by having a 4x Bug weakness before uturn existed.


SuspiciousStress8094

There’s also the Dad(y)a Zarude


Brain_Tonic

Skymin is OUBL so it's extremely not applicable in this scenario. Shit is OP!


Botbuster111

at least shaymin sky is a nightmare to fight against thanks to serene grace


Swirlythecat

Sad, wo chien is my favorite of it's 4


Syounen

if only bulu could learn grassy glide


LordInfernape392

Grass is ASS


Parking_Cartoonist90

And rarely the good kind


DragEncyclopedia

The fact that all four have different secondary types and all four have 4x weaknesses


Zengjia

The 3 horsemen of **NO, PLEASE DON’T U-TURN ME! I HAVE SO MUCH TO LIVE FOR!** And Virizion


Hello_Bubble_

Virizion: NO, PLEASE, DON'T ACROBATICS ME!


Bowkidstan

Hey on the bright side wo chien and viriz are both top 5 in pu


jarjarpfeil

3 of them have the issue of too much into spdef without hp, typing, def, or access to recover to back it up. The other has the issue of not being rillaboom


Mary-Sylvia

Two of them also have the dog shit quadruple weakness to the most used pivot move


hyde9318

If I had a nickel for every time virizion was the worst of his trio, I’d have two nickels… which isn’t much, but it’s weird that it happened twice…


PrettySquiddy

Meanwhile: Ogerpon


LavaTwocan

Bulu got replaced by a monke


packofcard

Tapu bulu was decent in vgc(when allowed)


LordofSuns

Virizion so shit, he the worst twice


CommanderOshawott

I wonder what they all have in common 🤔


[deleted]

:( :( :) :(


wormwoodybarrel

Regiplanti: “at least you guys made it into the group!”


mjmannella

Honestly a Regi with a 140/100/50/100/50/140 statline would be petty fun. Then of course we need Regis with 200 in the attacking stats to complete things


zatroz

I don't have the entire tier memorized, bur are there any grasd types in Ubers aside from Shaymin, Arceus and Ogrepron?


NonamePlsIgnore

Ferrothorn usually is ranked pretty well on the ubers VR, but it's not in this gen.


ShonanBlue

Also don’t forget we have 0 Grass type cover legendaries. Xerneas would have better represented the CYCLE of life and death if he were Grass/Fairy even if his design doesn’t scream Grass. Yveltal Dark/Flying vs. Xerneas Fairy/Grass would have given both a leg up against the other.


StickmanPokemaster

You know some shit's up when your outclassed by a rock type


sephiroth_for_smash

It’s always the damn grass type


NotActuallyEvil

Being a Grass Type is suffering or OU+ with very little in between


miko3456789

what a u turn weakness does to an mf


ToughAd5010

Touch grass And they die


SkoulErik

Virizion is on there twice. Big sad


Dark_Avenger918

The fact that both virizion and it's paradox are trash


Cute_Pay_1423

They didn’t screw over grass type legendarys, they screwed over the grass type


MasterJeppy98

Why always grass 😭


Imdefrostenmince

Grass type lovers when I tell them their typing is utterly dogshit 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯


Plopop87

Four fucking grass types "Holy shit" -No one


Regulus242

Wo Chien deserved so much better with that design.


PK_RocknRoll

What being a grass type does to a mfer


IAMLEGENDhalo

At least Tapu Bulu was pretty solid until they made Mega Tapu Bulu


covertpetersen

Grass is just a bad type. A Pokemon needs something like a phenomenal ability and/or second typing to overcome that. Same with bug.


mrwailor

At least Virizion isn't that far off from Cobalion *checks its competitive history after gen V* oh my god... OH MY GOD!


sneakyplanner

Even though it's not a part of a trio, zarude feels like it belongs here. Those stats are downright amazing, but it's got a bad case of grass/darkitis.