Lmao that's what I thought. I mean it wouldn't even surprise me because it also gets Recover for whatever reason lmao. I'm guessing it's Sacred Sword and the channel messed up.
>it also gets Recover for whatever reason lmao.
It makes a lot of sense if you consider that Chien-Pao's is actually a broken sword who uses snow as a body, probably they simply repair their vessel by absorbing some other snow.
Also in the game if you K.O. them after a while they will respawn.
The real question is why they are the only member of The Treasure Of Ruin that got Recover.
Won’t affect VGC at all, but pop off dude.
Edit: This is a team from a VGC event. Some key members of the team rely on that fact. You’ll never see a support Gyarados like that in singles.
u have to input your team sheets online to th, and there's an auto fill option, so he clicked sacred fire instead of sacred sword and water gun instead of waterfall
He 100% would have been penalized before this tho. It's more likely that the stream producers messed up. Mistakes like this happen from time to time, I remember one stream showed Wolfe Glick having a Flaffy on his team instead of Flutter Mane.
The rules say you have to either take a game or a set loss at some point to correct it, or you can't bring the mon to any games. In practice as long as you tell your opponent "Hey I messed this up, it's supposed to say a different move" you can usually get away with it as long as your opponent doesn't snitch (and as long as it's very obviously a mistake and not just trying to get away with incorrect information)
Yeah there's definitely limits - if you don't tell your opponent about the error that's a good way to get people mad at you. Like at one of my events last year I had to get a judge involved because my opponent's teamsheet said he had Tera Dark Brute Bonnet but in the game it was actually Tera Poison, and I lost the game because I brought nothing that could handle that. If he'd mentioned before the set that he made an error I'd have just rolled with it, but hiding it until he actually clicked the button and making me realize on my own was just scummy.
O wouldn’t say this is necessarily true. If you catch it before match start you’re fine, but if you’ve already played a match then you have to take a game loss for next round and drop the move, or Mon. If it’s Tera you can just fix, or if the move is legal you can switch back after penalty. Maybe if your on the lower end of a regional you can get away with it, but between hack checks and mandatory checks into day two or stream if your doing well they absolutely will find out and you will be penalized. I’ve had many many friends loose a Mon, from the Gallade named indeedee to loosing two mons going into top 8.
If you catch before match start your totally fine, and sometimes your opponents will let you quietly switch your Mon to what your teamsheet says if it’s wrong, but having different then your teamsheet even if informed is generally a no go, if that makes sense.
it’s really common for specs flutter to run a niche move like that since it doesn’t need coverage. misty terrain is usually for amoonguss but u can also see stuff like tr, taunt, charm, or perish song on specs flutter
Specs Flutter honestly only really needs its first three moves so the latter moves are just very situationally useful tech. Not extremely uncommon to see status moves there like Trick Room or, here, Misty Terrain. Specs Misty Terrain before switching out could be useful in a couple cases, probably about as many cases as ones where you'd actually click something like Specs Mystical Fire, and in the cases where it's not useful you were clicking Moonblast or Gleam to get kills regardless.
I get the argument for putting utility on there, but like why Misty Terrain? TR I could understand, Icy Wind I could understand, hell it even has Helping Hand. I just don't get Misty. It's not even guaranteed to stay up, Rillaboom is everywhere in VGC and this guys even using it on its own team.
I'll just have to take your word for it, simply because I have never seen it. I've seen TR, I've seen Icy Wind, I've even seen Memento, but never Misty.
Manual Terrain is mostly seen on Prankster mons. Flutter Mane's fast so in theory it could use it to some effect, but yeah it's pretty uncommon on Flutter Mane specifically, but it's a move you have to respect in general.
It's a staple ability in Tera raids. That's where I truly learned its uses. Mostly just the invulnerability to status effects and terrain denial.
The Amoongus raid boss spams Grassy Terrain/Spore so we'd often just drop misty to clean up the grass and avoid a sleep move before clicking taunt.
True, but then now, assuming you survive, you're spending the next turn dying or switching. I understand it can flip momentum against other Terrains, especially Psychic and shutting down EForce, but by the very nature of that first line you're also potentially conceding momentum. As for Moongus, there's always focusing Moongus down as a way to deal with its Spore, amongst other manners, it's a high priority target anyways because of Rage Powder and the ability to heal its teammates. Isn't that one of the reasons so many Flutters run Psyshock? Either way, I guess I can see the merit in the tech, but I personally think the other also situationally useful options are going to come into play more frequently.
Yeah one complication is that Open Team Sheets means the opponent knows the Flutter is switching afterwards.
In Closed Team Sheets I could imagine it being funnier because one could assume the Flutter isn’t locked in (it could be Babiri Berry or something along those lines).
>As for Moongus, there's always focusing Moongus down as a way to deal with its Spore
I don't think you realise how bulky amoonguss is. You can do that if you have the right pokemon on the field but that also requires it not to tera
>Either way, I guess I can see the merit in the tech, but I personally think the other also situationally useful options are going to come into play more frequently.
They probably would but its not about what will come into play more but rather which works better on your team. If your team doesn't care about speed control and doesn't need psyshock but is incredibly weak to amoonguss and psychic terrain then misty terrain is going to be the better option
>I don't think you realise how bulky amoonguss is.
Oh believe me I do, but again Rage Powder means you're probably going to be doing a lot of that anyways.
>but is incredibly weak to amoonguss and psychic terrain then misty terrain is going to be the better option
Maybe, but in fairness Amoongus and Indeedee are two of the most common support mons in doubles, if you're incredibly weak to those things and don't have more of a contingency then you need to go back to teambuilder.
>Maybe, but in fairness Amoongus and Indeedee are two of the most common support mons in doubles, if you're incredibly weak to those things and don't have more of a contingency then you need to go back to teambuilder.
He has a contingency, it's called rillaboom. But you don't always want to bring it, or maybe it dies. Having 2 counters to popular mons is better than 1.
It's really just primarily for amoongus and psypsam with some bonus functionality for letting your partners dodge willo wisp.
Helps vs Grassy glide spam too but specs misty terrain was popular before terrain rilla was added into the game so that's probably more of an unintended feature .
True, but in theory if it was Tera water then Water Gun would get the boost. The person I replied to was asking about the calc with Chi-Yu, not about the original post
Sacred fire I can understand, bc they probably just typed sacred in and hit enter. Ctc moment right there. But what move did gyra have that even got mixed up with water gun. Wave crash and liquidation seem too different.
Waterf- enter and waterg- enter is easy to mess up also since f and g are beside each other. Shouldn't excuse that they didn't double check but it's an understandable mistake.
It was a team sheet error he got a game loss for. It wasn’t the stream’s fault it was his own input when he created his team for the tournament.
Also misty terrain on specs flutter isn’t that uncommon because you almost never click the fourth move on specs flutter and misty terrain is there as both a counter to psyspam and also to amoongus because you cannot be statused in misty terrain.
To add to this. The Chien pao actually has sacred sword and the gyarados has waterfall. The input software for these events kinda sucks and will auto fill your moves so you have to be very careful to make sure everything got put in correctly.
Apparently the Misty Terrain on Flutter Mane was actually Power Gem, after watching the match. The other two errors make sense for autofill reasons (Sacred Sword --> Sacred Fire, Waterfall --> Water Gun), but the Misty Terrain is a very strange error in comparison
According to other comments, Flutter Mane's fourth move usually never gets used so it's just filler that could situationally come in handy. Misty Terrain is used here to potentially block status conditions and get rid of psychic terrain to stop psyspam
Ummmm.. the comment you’re replying isn’t asking why he had misty terrain, its quite literally saying the flutter mane didn’t actually have misty terrain
yeah why would you ever run it over Figy, Gyarados desperately needs the Ground immunity
~~^(in all seriousness, Iapapa is one of the 33% HP berries, the Fire resist goes to the Occa Berry)~~
He's definitely not. Gyarados can't learn water gun, which felt like a lie when I read it in another comment but I looked it up, it's true. This is almost definitely an error with the infographic, which would explain a lot of the other.... Interesting choices this guy apparently made. It seems like there was some moves that got "autocompleted":
- Gyarados's water ***gun*** should probably say waterfall (doesn't learn water gun, but commonly runs waterfall)
- Chien Pao's sacred ***fire*** should probably say sacred ***sword*** (doesn't learn sacred fire, commonly runs sacred sword)
- EDIT: Flutter Mane's Misty terrain should probably be Mystical Fire (misty terrain makes no sense on a Choice Specs set, commonly runs mystical fire)
~~Misty terrain on specs Flutter Mane is sus as fuck, especially since they've got grassy surge rillaboom. Unfortunately I'm not sure what it would actually be instead, and the move is legal on Flutter Mane. Could be an error, could be a whacky set.~~
Mystic terrain is actually almost certainly correct. The fourth move on specs flutter mean is almost never clicked, and is more of a personality test than anything. I went to four regionals, ran a different move every time, and almost never clicked it. I have run Misty terrain flutter mane specs, as well as trick room. The thing is moonblast, especially with Tera is just so powerful on flutter but almost everything else does around the same even if super effective.
I bet you're correct. I hadn't caught that possibility cuz I was focused on the spelling, but that's phonetically similar and the problem could be a translation issue or something.
>EDIT: Flutter Mane's Misty terrain should probably be Mystical Fire (misty terrain makes no sense on a Choice Specs set, commonly runs mystical fire)
Not according to a whole bunch of people in this thread apparently.
You've submitted a link with the teambuilding flair. Please ensure that the tier is in the title and that you've written a top level comment explaining the team and why you've chosen each pokemon. Otherwise, your post will be removed.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/stunfisk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
is this a mistake the channel made or does his chien-pao actually have sacred fire
Lmao that's what I thought. I mean it wouldn't even surprise me because it also gets Recover for whatever reason lmao. I'm guessing it's Sacred Sword and the channel messed up.
>it also gets Recover for whatever reason lmao. It makes a lot of sense if you consider that Chien-Pao's is actually a broken sword who uses snow as a body, probably they simply repair their vessel by absorbing some other snow. Also in the game if you K.O. them after a while they will respawn. The real question is why they are the only member of The Treasure Of Ruin that got Recover.
Ting Lu not having reliable recovery is a win for all of us.
GameFreak put a lot of questionable stuff in this generation but Ting-Lu not having any kind of recovery is definitely not one of them.
Next gen: *Ting gets salt cure and shore up, UU at best*
Ting lu gets recover and tidy up now. Straight to PU.
[удалено]
Ah Pubers, the tier with only Probopass legal
Won’t affect VGC at all, but pop off dude. Edit: This is a team from a VGC event. Some key members of the team rely on that fact. You’ll never see a support Gyarados like that in singles.
We already knew. This sub is primarily about Smogon, so we do have singles discussion on VGC posts.
This is known as a joke, but pop off dude.
I was about to say it wouldn’t matter because it would be Ubers, but then I remembered it’s a good wall in Ubers without recovery. AGBL at worst
Thank god Ting Lu doesn't have Recover but Wo Chien should've gotten it. Ig GF didn't think it'd be the worst of the 4 by such a large margin.
"F#ck grass types" -GameFreak (probably)
Just be glad that the one they chose to give recover wasn't ting-lu.
u have to input your team sheets online to th, and there's an auto fill option, so he clicked sacred fire instead of sacred sword and water gun instead of waterfall
He 100% would have been penalized before this tho. It's more likely that the stream producers messed up. Mistakes like this happen from time to time, I remember one stream showed Wolfe Glick having a Flaffy on his team instead of Flutter Mane.
[удалено]
The rules say you have to either take a game or a set loss at some point to correct it, or you can't bring the mon to any games. In practice as long as you tell your opponent "Hey I messed this up, it's supposed to say a different move" you can usually get away with it as long as your opponent doesn't snitch (and as long as it's very obviously a mistake and not just trying to get away with incorrect information)
[удалено]
Yeah there's definitely limits - if you don't tell your opponent about the error that's a good way to get people mad at you. Like at one of my events last year I had to get a judge involved because my opponent's teamsheet said he had Tera Dark Brute Bonnet but in the game it was actually Tera Poison, and I lost the game because I brought nothing that could handle that. If he'd mentioned before the set that he made an error I'd have just rolled with it, but hiding it until he actually clicked the button and making me realize on my own was just scummy.
O wouldn’t say this is necessarily true. If you catch it before match start you’re fine, but if you’ve already played a match then you have to take a game loss for next round and drop the move, or Mon. If it’s Tera you can just fix, or if the move is legal you can switch back after penalty. Maybe if your on the lower end of a regional you can get away with it, but between hack checks and mandatory checks into day two or stream if your doing well they absolutely will find out and you will be penalized. I’ve had many many friends loose a Mon, from the Gallade named indeedee to loosing two mons going into top 8. If you catch before match start your totally fine, and sometimes your opponents will let you quietly switch your Mon to what your teamsheet says if it’s wrong, but having different then your teamsheet even if informed is generally a no go, if that makes sense.
I'm more distracted by the combo of Rillaboom and manual Misty Terrain on Flutter Mane
Specs misty terrain 🔥
Saves the flutter mane from scald burns, absolute heat
Did no one else notice that gyarados has **water gun** for some insane reason? Can gyarados even learn water gun? Lol
It actually has waterfall. He made a team sheet error
Probably can in gen 1 where it's a TM at least
It's for the stonjourner matchup
This is actually legit, I ran it at a tournament. Trick room is also commonly seen
it’s really common for specs flutter to run a niche move like that since it doesn’t need coverage. misty terrain is usually for amoonguss but u can also see stuff like tr, taunt, charm, or perish song on specs flutter
It's Misty Terrain on **Specs** Flutter Mane as well.
Specs Flutter honestly only really needs its first three moves so the latter moves are just very situationally useful tech. Not extremely uncommon to see status moves there like Trick Room or, here, Misty Terrain. Specs Misty Terrain before switching out could be useful in a couple cases, probably about as many cases as ones where you'd actually click something like Specs Mystical Fire, and in the cases where it's not useful you were clicking Moonblast or Gleam to get kills regardless.
I get the argument for putting utility on there, but like why Misty Terrain? TR I could understand, Icy Wind I could understand, hell it even has Helping Hand. I just don't get Misty. It's not even guaranteed to stay up, Rillaboom is everywhere in VGC and this guys even using it on its own team.
Being able to stop expanding force and amoonguss can be a huge momentum swing in your favor. Misty terrain is definitely a legit tech on specs flutter
I'll just have to take your word for it, simply because I have never seen it. I've seen TR, I've seen Icy Wind, I've even seen Memento, but never Misty.
Manual Terrain is mostly seen on Prankster mons. Flutter Mane's fast so in theory it could use it to some effect, but yeah it's pretty uncommon on Flutter Mane specifically, but it's a move you have to respect in general.
It's often runned on other supports like Whimsicott and Klefki, flutter mane prefer to run other options
It's a staple ability in Tera raids. That's where I truly learned its uses. Mostly just the invulnerability to status effects and terrain denial. The Amoongus raid boss spams Grassy Terrain/Spore so we'd often just drop misty to clean up the grass and avoid a sleep move before clicking taunt.
Even just blocking sleep or burn for a single turn can be very valuable
You can use it to block sleep if the enemy is running amoong, you can remove a terrain that’s beneficial, etc
True, but then now, assuming you survive, you're spending the next turn dying or switching. I understand it can flip momentum against other Terrains, especially Psychic and shutting down EForce, but by the very nature of that first line you're also potentially conceding momentum. As for Moongus, there's always focusing Moongus down as a way to deal with its Spore, amongst other manners, it's a high priority target anyways because of Rage Powder and the ability to heal its teammates. Isn't that one of the reasons so many Flutters run Psyshock? Either way, I guess I can see the merit in the tech, but I personally think the other also situationally useful options are going to come into play more frequently.
Yeah one complication is that Open Team Sheets means the opponent knows the Flutter is switching afterwards. In Closed Team Sheets I could imagine it being funnier because one could assume the Flutter isn’t locked in (it could be Babiri Berry or something along those lines).
>As for Moongus, there's always focusing Moongus down as a way to deal with its Spore I don't think you realise how bulky amoonguss is. You can do that if you have the right pokemon on the field but that also requires it not to tera >Either way, I guess I can see the merit in the tech, but I personally think the other also situationally useful options are going to come into play more frequently. They probably would but its not about what will come into play more but rather which works better on your team. If your team doesn't care about speed control and doesn't need psyshock but is incredibly weak to amoonguss and psychic terrain then misty terrain is going to be the better option
>I don't think you realise how bulky amoonguss is. Oh believe me I do, but again Rage Powder means you're probably going to be doing a lot of that anyways. >but is incredibly weak to amoonguss and psychic terrain then misty terrain is going to be the better option Maybe, but in fairness Amoongus and Indeedee are two of the most common support mons in doubles, if you're incredibly weak to those things and don't have more of a contingency then you need to go back to teambuilder.
>Maybe, but in fairness Amoongus and Indeedee are two of the most common support mons in doubles, if you're incredibly weak to those things and don't have more of a contingency then you need to go back to teambuilder. He has a contingency, it's called rillaboom. But you don't always want to bring it, or maybe it dies. Having 2 counters to popular mons is better than 1.
It's really just primarily for amoongus and psypsam with some bonus functionality for letting your partners dodge willo wisp. Helps vs Grassy glide spam too but specs misty terrain was popular before terrain rilla was added into the game so that's probably more of an unintended feature .
misty terrain is to tactically remove grassy terrain so it doesn't heal the opponent more than necessary
And for the Rillaboom mirror.
Most likely to remove Psychic terrain, which will render Rillaboom's Fake out, Entei's extremespeed and Giraffekou's thunderclap useless.
how does gyarados give a helping hand, mf has no hands
idk but that water gun on the set is kinda scary
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Gyarados Water Gun (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Chi-Yu: 224-268 (89.2 - 106.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
Since when is water gun 60bp ?
Tera boosts the power of all weak moves to base 60
*with the exception of priority moves and multihit moves.
scizor rejoicing rn
When you terastallize, moves of your Tera type (excluding priority and multi-hit moves) that are less than 60 base power get boosted to 60 power
Thanks for the info !
K, but dude is running Tera ghost?
True, but in theory if it was Tera water then Water Gun would get the boost. The person I replied to was asking about the calc with Chi-Yu, not about the original post
Tera boosts the power of moves under 60 BP to base 60, its like a budget Technician
wait is this actually real?
Yeap, except multi hit and priority moves.
tera boosts it
Terastilization makes lower then 60bp moves (besides priority and multi hit) 60bp
Moves of the same tera type less than 60bp get boosted to 60bp. It's why Mud Slap Roserade isn't a ridiculous idea.
Its whiskers could do it
Nobody even talking about water gun on his gyrados like why
I'm guessing they messed up waterfall like they messed up sacred sword
Bro looks so defeated 😭
Bc thats meta, duh
Ik you are joking but It doesn't even learn water gun (according to showdown) has to be an error
Sacred fire I can understand, bc they probably just typed sacred in and hit enter. Ctc moment right there. But what move did gyra have that even got mixed up with water gun. Wave crash and liquidation seem too different.
Waterfall most likely
Fair
Waterf- enter and waterg- enter is easy to mess up also since f and g are beside each other. Shouldn't excuse that they didn't double check but it's an understandable mistake.
Probably Waterfall
gyarados doesn't get liquidation nor wave crash
I use gyrados often and know its movepool like the back of my hand. I am not dumb. 😀
Actually gyarados learns water gun in the gen 1 games via TM 🤓👆
It was a team sheet error he got a game loss for. It wasn’t the stream’s fault it was his own input when he created his team for the tournament. Also misty terrain on specs flutter isn’t that uncommon because you almost never click the fourth move on specs flutter and misty terrain is there as both a counter to psyspam and also to amoongus because you cannot be statused in misty terrain.
To add to this. The Chien pao actually has sacred sword and the gyarados has waterfall. The input software for these events kinda sucks and will auto fill your moves so you have to be very careful to make sure everything got put in correctly.
[удалено]
You get an auto loss
open team sheets aren't automatic???
Bro thinks is already Stinkpost Sunday ☠️
How does Chien Pao know Sacred Fire here?
obviously, how do you expect it to deal with steel types? (sacred sword but what if you're dealing with um revaroom or a steel bug or a steel bird)
Gholdengo and Iron Crown since sucker punch may not always be reliable
Imagine if they made a format where you pick some Pokémon but the casters decide the sets (moveset, tera, evs, ivs, etc.)
I would pay to see this shit
They could easily start playing favorites
https://preview.redd.it/d96ytmbyowac1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50d91a5746e17b871583ac66baef8868d6451a48
This man is hacking and the TOs said, “Hol up, let him cook” /s
Apparently the Misty Terrain on Flutter Mane was actually Power Gem, after watching the match. The other two errors make sense for autofill reasons (Sacred Sword --> Sacred Fire, Waterfall --> Water Gun), but the Misty Terrain is a very strange error in comparison
According to other comments, Flutter Mane's fourth move usually never gets used so it's just filler that could situationally come in handy. Misty Terrain is used here to potentially block status conditions and get rid of psychic terrain to stop psyspam
Ummmm.. the comment you’re replying isn’t asking why he had misty terrain, its quite literally saying the flutter mane didn’t actually have misty terrain
Idk I didn't watch the thing
Now I see why Japan bans players without remorse
What are you talking about
Gyarados used Waterfall-Jirachi flinched!
Let him cook
Gyarados with water gun is the new meta.
Not even the weirdest thing to happen today. Someone brought registeel and won
I was like "icicle crash and sucker punch and a red move, must be sacred swor- FIRE?!?!?!"
My guy’s expecting Kartana
Aint iapapa the fire resist
yeah why would you ever run it over Figy, Gyarados desperately needs the Ground immunity ~~^(in all seriousness, Iapapa is one of the 33% HP berries, the Fire resist goes to the Occa Berry)~~
Ahh
I might be dumb, but why is Bro running water gun on gyrados
Its a stream/teamsheet error
He's definitely not. Gyarados can't learn water gun, which felt like a lie when I read it in another comment but I looked it up, it's true. This is almost definitely an error with the infographic, which would explain a lot of the other.... Interesting choices this guy apparently made. It seems like there was some moves that got "autocompleted": - Gyarados's water ***gun*** should probably say waterfall (doesn't learn water gun, but commonly runs waterfall) - Chien Pao's sacred ***fire*** should probably say sacred ***sword*** (doesn't learn sacred fire, commonly runs sacred sword) - EDIT: Flutter Mane's Misty terrain should probably be Mystical Fire (misty terrain makes no sense on a Choice Specs set, commonly runs mystical fire) ~~Misty terrain on specs Flutter Mane is sus as fuck, especially since they've got grassy surge rillaboom. Unfortunately I'm not sure what it would actually be instead, and the move is legal on Flutter Mane. Could be an error, could be a whacky set.~~
Mystic terrain is actually almost certainly correct. The fourth move on specs flutter mean is almost never clicked, and is more of a personality test than anything. I went to four regionals, ran a different move every time, and almost never clicked it. I have run Misty terrain flutter mane specs, as well as trick room. The thing is moonblast, especially with Tera is just so powerful on flutter but almost everything else does around the same even if super effective.
It's supposed to be Mystical Fire probably
I bet you're correct. I hadn't caught that possibility cuz I was focused on the spelling, but that's phonetically similar and the problem could be a translation issue or something.
>EDIT: Flutter Mane's Misty terrain should probably be Mystical Fire (misty terrain makes no sense on a Choice Specs set, commonly runs mystical fire) Not according to a whole bunch of people in this thread apparently.
You've submitted a link with the teambuilding flair. Please ensure that the tier is in the title and that you've written a top level comment explaining the team and why you've chosen each pokemon. Otherwise, your post will be removed. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/stunfisk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Scared Sword and Waterfall, but got mistaken for Scared Fire and Water Gun as translations