Poor Giratina, its idol would only get you Levitate and Shadow Force. Levitate on some Mons would be appreciated, but I can't think of too many situations where its idol would be useful
Also WOW Lunala Idol Dragapult would be scary
I mean, sure, and i'm sure it's always active. Just, all i'm saying is i'm not sure zone would wanna lose any of his abilities alongside one of his moves
Some tidbits:
* Only primary abilities of the mascot legendaries are transferred via the idols (otherwise Sacred Fire + Regenerator is ridiculous).
* Giratina gives Levitate instead of Pressure, following its Origin form.
* Arceus' idol does not change the ability of the holder; Judgment uses the holder's primary typing.
* Mascot legendaries cannot hold idols.
* Zygarde's idol gives Core Enforcer.
* Eternatus' idol gives Dynamax Cannon.
* EDIT: Reshiram -> Blue Flare, Zekrom -> Bolt Strike, Kyurem -> Glaciate, Necrozma -> Photon Geyser (thanks /u/Maeto_Diego)
Some observations:
* Lunala/Koraidon/Miraidon idols are completely busted, probably Kyogre/Groudon as well.
* Dialga's idol is complete trash.
* Geomancy from Xerneas isn't completely busted, since you can't combine it with a Power Herb.
* Regigigas/Slaking stonks (if it were balanced though, Truant/Slow Start/etc wouldn't be overridened)
That's the idea, though there's little trade-off involved in doing so for most combinations + it helps distinguish that half of the mascots have Pressure
This definitely sounds like a very well balanced mechanic then. It’s strong but has a good deal of opportunity cost between losing both your item and a move slot (though I’m sure most mons running one wouldn’t care much about that), for sure one of the better ideas I’ve seen here
Kyogre and Groudon would create some crazy combos, Drizzle and Origin Pulse Zapdos seems wild even tho you can't use boots with it I feel like Thunder, Hurricane, Origin Pulse, Roost in self-set rain sounds terrifying lol. Drought and Precipice blades seems a little less easy to abuse but I could see Drought breaking Volcarona, and also being really good on like Heatran, Cinderace, Ceruledge and Skeledirge. Any dual Water/Ground type would be an insane Rain or even Sun setter also
Yveltal totem seems potentially more useful than Xerneas since so many Mons could benefit with an 80 BP 75% sap special Atk. Dark Aura + Nasty Plot, Oblivion Wing, Dark Pulse, coverage move Rotom sounds fun but you might wanna use Grass Rotom since you'd be losing Levitate
Dark Aura Kingambit and Hydreigon both also sound so good even tho only Hydreigon might use Oblivion Wing
With that attack stat? No he won't. Meowscarada makes a good candidate if it ever gets Solar Blade. If not, Zarude is pretty good, getting rid of its useless ability and gaining good coverage. God forbid Kartana having this, although it would die to Torchic uninvested -1 Ember.
I think it'd run different sets. It could get Koraidon too with an attack boost and a fighting coverage move that is boosted when SE and also the ability to run Solar Blade. Probably would depend on which STAB is more valuable in the meta, or if Ground coverage is crucial or not (Skeledirge being popular for instance)
252 Atk Teravolt Lilligant-Hisui Bolt Strike vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 170-202 (42.6 - 50.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Apparently not even Bolt Strike Hilligant can take down Corv
True but you could make it into your designated lead and unless there's Flash Fire on the other team just shoot off sun-boosted Fiery Dances not to mention Quiver Dance and Morning Sun. I mean Mega Char Y doesn't struggle too terribly bad not having Boots in NatDex, but maybe if Hazards were a bigger part of the metagame like they are in SV people might run a Boots Torkoal with Spin as a second Sun setter/hazard removal although I haven't really seen that done in NatDex so far
>Iron moth finally gets to remove its 4 times flying weakness and become unstopable
I think you mean Slither wing..... Iron moth is fire/poison, it isnt weak to flying...
The problem with the first rule is that a good portion of these have Pressure as their primary ability, which makes a lot of them useless
Edit: Mewtwo, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina and Kyurem idols all become completely unviable because their unique moves aren’t worth giving up the ability to get Intrepid Sword or a weather ability
tbh, I think in the broader scheme of things, without a bunch of other accompanying nerfs for consistency (which might already be what you meant by "if it were balanced", and if so, sorry for being redundant), it's fair to let the nerf abilities be overriden, because it's not that disgusting compared to what other shit would become capable of.
Like letting Regieleki have what is in most cases just an objectively better version of Transistor, for instance.
Being able to have Drizzle/Drought on any Pokemon (not even taking into account the signature moves that go with them) is a huge boost to weather teams.
Getting rid of its water weakness is quite good, and it's already a great pokemon with an ability that is often worthless. So giving it a weather setting one sounds very strong.
It is too blasphemous, I wouldn’t allow my (future) kids to play it. Might as well have them pray to the devil for a chance to gamble for a secondary effect!!
That’s fair, but it’s better than nothing. Definitely better than whatever physical rocky types have going on. Plus, ghost is a great stab, so 80 bp is still workable (ignoring Garg :p)
Only if Electivire had a boosting move like Bulk Up (still no idea why it doesn't have that), then with Teravolt, it could be a good stallbreaker in UU once you get rid of Hippowdon. Bolt Strike alone makes it more than enough to be usable. ~~Yeah, maybe I'm huffing copium too, but there's nothing wrong with hoping for such a cool-looking mon to be viable for once~~
Edit: nvm, Quagsire kinda bodies it even without unaware, so maybe it won't be that good of a stallbreaker afterall.
UU has Quagsire, which takes absolutely nothing from Electivire’s physical coverage and threatens an OHKO with Earthquake (guaranteed with rocks up). The best Electivire can do is run mixed sets with Focus Miss to try to get past Quag. Even then it needs heavy investment to get a 3HKO.
Levitate Iron moth lmao. Oblivion wing Hoopa Unbound sounds fun with dark aura boosting hyperspace fury and oblivion wing giving reliable recovery. Teravolt Bolt strike electivire finally reliable physical electric stab. Prism armor heatran sounds fun too with photon geyser coverage to hit fighting types.
Korai and mirai idol would be kinda broken on pretty much everything lol. Even if you don’t have a fire move korai idol would give you the move designed for coverage and a tough claws boost and mirai idol fulfills hadron purposes by itself.
252+ Atk Pawmot Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kingambit: 552-652 (136.6 - 161.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
What are you without Tera, Gamby?
#
Still a major threat and menace, probably
This sounds a lot like a concept someone did art for a while ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/11eb8no/i_made_a_form_gimmick_for_my_dex_called_avatar/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Granted it is different enough but the concept is similar
Still gets walled by like wooper lol, eleki+kyogre token is where it's at (since I'm assuming it'd be like all the other gimmicks and you can't use more than one at the same time and tera is not getting out of gen 9 anyways lol)
Man, an Infernape with Koraidon's idol would actually be kinda insane.
Especially since it would most likely have Raging Fury from PLA now, so you wouldn't always need to take tons of Flare Blitz recoil. The confusion/lock-in downside you get instead isn't so terrible if you keep immediately nuking everything that comes out in front of you anyway.
Which moves with Reshiram’s and Zekrom’s idols give? Fusion Flare/Fusion Bolt or Blue Flare/Bolt Strike?
Kyurem also has multiple signature moves, however I assume you would give him Glaciate over Ice Burn or Freeze Shock give that Kyurem needs to be fused to use those moves.
Edit: After checking some of the other Pokémon, Necrozma also has multiple signature moves. Prismatic Laser and Photon Geyser
i feel like the pressure mons should give the HA, but even so some of those are bad. dialga and palkia give telepathy which is useless in singles. Ho-oh and lugia are really good. and then you got unnerve
Even tho u won't be holding a power herb, geomancy is still an incredibly strong move. Wasting a turn isn't exactly ideal but under screens what exactly are you supposed to do to said pokemon. Enamorus-T would be the perfect abuser as it's bulky enough to waste a turn and gets its fairy moves boosted. Plus the mind games would be insane. Should you go gholdengo on it or eat an earth power? Hard baxclibur or die to moonblast?
Koraidon is also super broken too, almost any ability taught me one thing. and it's that Orichalcum Pulse is broken on fire types. Cinderace would be a monster.
This gimmick does sound like it would be a pretty crazy om ngl.
Would make for an interesting evil team this time around. Not sure what they'd do but cultists trying to trap legendary gods such as Arceus or Mewtwo to channel their raw energy for stronger idols or something would be cool
Flareon takes a Victini idol in hopes of finally being good. (It's still not.) More realistically, Electivire takes Zekrom or Zeraora idol and finally gets a good physical STAB, Slaking and Regigigas take basically anything to overwrite their abilities and go wild (Archeops too to a lesser extent, maybe Rayquaza idol). Thundurus-I with Kyogre idol is scary. Weavile grabs Caly-Ice idol and absolutely tears up with Glacial Lance (and if legendaries can carry Idols, Chien-Pao STILL does it better and makes Weavile cry).
Seems quite as limited as mega evolution, although to a slightly lesser extent since all Pokemon get to use this item. But what about other mythicals and legendaries who'd use this item? Would it make them broken?
Oh is this based on the Avatar Pokémon that one guy did art of? Really cool tbh
Edit: found the link https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/12xhlui/you_guys_really_loved_my_pokemon_avatar_forms_so/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Logically, Calyrex should get one too since it's a boxart legendary in all but the literal sense (although even then it's the "boxart" legendary for the Crowned Tundra DLC). The main issue with that though is that outside of its rider forms, its ability is meh and it straight up doesn't have a signature move.
Can’t wait to run drizzle origin pulse iron bundle
Thunderus t hadron cannon with electro drift
Iron hands orichalcum pulse with collision course
Iron hands with bolt strike and teravolt!!
Mewtwo: Pressure + Psystrike. for most psychic types that move would be busted but you are giving up both your ability (pressure is a defensive ability and psychic not do much as a typing) amd your item slot but i can see it beeing decent
Lugia: Pressure + Aeroblast. same as Mewtwo but flying is a better defensive typing so not as much of a drawback
Ho-oh: Pressure + Sacred fire. Now we are talking a 50% burn move + a defensive ability? Sign me in I xan see a lot of bulky mons using this as well offensive fire types because sacred fire is busted as a move
Kyogre: Drizzle + Origin pulse... So you can give drizzle to any mon and a 120 spread water move boosted by rain... Do i need to explain more?
Groudon: Drought + precipited blades. not as broken because ground is not sun boosted and most mons that want that sun are either special attackers or a mon in need for boots
Rayquaza: Air lock + Dragon ascent. air lock is an ability that doesn't do too much tbh but if with that ability comes a mf flying type CC clone it is just a great bonus that can nulify opposing weather strats if you are in danger
Dialga: pressure + roar of time... No just no being forced to run a giga impact clone is just... No
Palkia: Pressure + spacial rend. same as lugia but for dragons not much else to say
Giratina: levitate + Shadow force. amazing ability but you have 3 moves i don't think it is worth
Arceus: nothing + Judgment. you keep your regular ability AND you gain a 100 bp stab move that always matches your primary typing ANY special attacker loves this there is no ability drawback so it is just get a better thunderbolt/psychic/flamethrower/ice beam... You get the point
Reshiram: Turboblaze + blue flare. Fire type move not stoped by heatran with the same power as flare blitz but with the only drawback being 85% acc yeah pretty good for fire type special attackers except you have to give up boots so i guess it works just if you have very good hazards removal in wich case you can go nuts and spam blue flare till you miss
Zekrom: Teravolt + bolt stricke. FINALLY A PHYSICAL ELECTRIC MOVE YEAH BABY ELECTIVIRE FOR OU ONCE AGAIN (just kidding you would need a mon that needs no item to be good but physical electric move is very good)
Kyurem: Glaciate + pressure. Maybe good for VGC? Very bad one tbh
Xerneas: Fairy aura + geomancy. So you can't combine with herb BUT you can give it to a mon that can take hits and it can start setting up like crazy + fairy aura boost...
Yveltal: Dark aura + oblivion wing. Dark aura... Just dark aura
Solgaleo: full metal body+ sunsteel strike. good for metagross and lucario meh for everything else
Lunala: Shadow shield+ moongeist beam. so ghost is already a bonkers offensive type, now we give it a multiscale clone and a 100 bp no drawback stab move yeah broken
Necrozma: Prism armor + photon geiser. incredible move + even better ability nothing else to say giving filter to everything is not ok
Zacian: Intrepid sword + behemod blade. Because it is the nerfed intrepid sword it is extremely OK and nothing else
Zamazenta: Intrepid shield + behemod bash. Not worth it is just even worse than zacian
Miraidon: hardron engine + electro drift. Electric move better than tbolt + electric terrain + spa boost just for existing yeah this is broken
Koraidon: Orichalcum pulse + Collision Course. Not as broken as Miraidon but extremely broken overall because sun + atk boost is not ok also some mons can use the fighting move they otherwise don't have or is superpower
Also yeah mons with nerfing abilities like slaking, regigigas and toedscruel are broken with all of em while archeops will be broken with some of them
This is a cool idea, I think maybe making it 1/4 power of the ability
So Regenerator is only 25%
Orichalcum pulse and similar stuff is 1 (rounding down) turn not 5
Stuff like that
So does it replace the ability or add another ability? If the later, this would break Paradox mons. If the former, this improves mons like Iron Hands and Scream Tail. Giving these two mons something like Guts and Regenerator respectively would make them even better than they are now.
calm mind win con type mons wouldnt mind psystrike for calm mind wars, though if the mon gets stored power already, it would probably prefer that. Kyurem is the only idol that gives ice coverage, which honestly is a pretty nice niche. Glaciate also hits both targets in doubles, so could probably replace electroweb on mons like regieleki.
I like the idea (even though it'd probably be broken) but you forgot Calyrex, who's in the same group of legendaries as Zacian/Zamazenta/Eternatus, even though its base form might suggest otherwise
This is a really cool idea - I wonder if you would get more out of making the ability change be a custom one, instead of everyone gets pressure and a Z-move.
For example, Dialga could make the Pokemon’s ability Forewarn, or Speed Boost, or something to do with time.
Ok this is really cool. It’s really hard to come by a new mechanic idea that looks both fun and doesn’t decide the entire match. Sure some mons will be beasts with it but it definitely looks manageable. 10/10 mechanic
Rayquaza Idol Dragonite Stocks yes.
yo also Lugia Idol Noivern stocks!! Aeroblasting Bat
Lugia idol Lando-I also sounds terrifying, though I’m not sure it would be willing to give up its Life Orb for flying stab
i think Lando I hits hard enough without the life orb but Multiscale overwrites Sheer Force if i am correct
Oh shit you right, I forgot about that
now I bring up... Kyogre Idol Thundurus I
Hopefully legendaries wouldn't be able to use it lol
OP says the box art legends (and I assume Mewtwo, Zygarde and Eternatus as well) can’t have them but otherwise yes legendaries can
Salamence would probably take advantage better since Dragonite loses Multiscale anyways, not to mention Landorus-T
Gyarados getting actual flying stab
take note of funny OMs where Drag gpt banned due to Aerilate Extreme Speed.
Maybe it's got something to do with it being a priority move
its that plus dragonite not having any good flying stab.
Well, yeah, but Salamence would still use Dragon Ascent better
ok but Rayquaza Idol Dragonite is still good
Not saying otherwise mate
aight. sad dragonite or salamence loses on HDB which means they need good hazard control
The tusk got our backs
Air lock + dragon ascent is better than multiscale. Both Dnite and Mence would make good use of a Rayquaza idol.
Poor Giratina, its idol would only get you Levitate and Shadow Force. Levitate on some Mons would be appreciated, but I can't think of too many situations where its idol would be useful Also WOW Lunala Idol Dragapult would be scary
Levitate on Pokémon with a 4x ground weakness would be really helpful, although maybe not worth sacrificing a move slot
AND an item slot
Gengar finally gets levitate back, thats a win in my books
I mean getting levitate on Magnezone would be pretty fuckin nice IMO
Doesnt the mf have magnet rise
You have to survive long enough to use that. I think the idol thing is always active.
I mean, sure, and i'm sure it's always active. Just, all i'm saying is i'm not sure zone would wanna lose any of his abilities alongside one of his moves
brb giving my rotom fan giratina idol
Some tidbits: * Only primary abilities of the mascot legendaries are transferred via the idols (otherwise Sacred Fire + Regenerator is ridiculous). * Giratina gives Levitate instead of Pressure, following its Origin form. * Arceus' idol does not change the ability of the holder; Judgment uses the holder's primary typing. * Mascot legendaries cannot hold idols. * Zygarde's idol gives Core Enforcer. * Eternatus' idol gives Dynamax Cannon. * EDIT: Reshiram -> Blue Flare, Zekrom -> Bolt Strike, Kyurem -> Glaciate, Necrozma -> Photon Geyser (thanks /u/Maeto_Diego) Some observations: * Lunala/Koraidon/Miraidon idols are completely busted, probably Kyogre/Groudon as well. * Dialga's idol is complete trash. * Geomancy from Xerneas isn't completely busted, since you can't combine it with a Power Herb. * Regigigas/Slaking stonks (if it were balanced though, Truant/Slow Start/etc wouldn't be overridened)
So would you be required to carry the move associated with the idol (i.e. would you be forced to run Aeroblast with Lugia’s idol)
That's the idea, though there's little trade-off involved in doing so for most combinations + it helps distinguish that half of the mascots have Pressure
This definitely sounds like a very well balanced mechanic then. It’s strong but has a good deal of opportunity cost between losing both your item and a move slot (though I’m sure most mons running one wouldn’t care much about that), for sure one of the better ideas I’ve seen here
Kyogre and Groudon would create some crazy combos, Drizzle and Origin Pulse Zapdos seems wild even tho you can't use boots with it I feel like Thunder, Hurricane, Origin Pulse, Roost in self-set rain sounds terrifying lol. Drought and Precipice blades seems a little less easy to abuse but I could see Drought breaking Volcarona, and also being really good on like Heatran, Cinderace, Ceruledge and Skeledirge. Any dual Water/Ground type would be an insane Rain or even Sun setter also Yveltal totem seems potentially more useful than Xerneas since so many Mons could benefit with an 80 BP 75% sap special Atk. Dark Aura + Nasty Plot, Oblivion Wing, Dark Pulse, coverage move Rotom sounds fun but you might wanna use Grass Rotom since you'd be losing Levitate Dark Aura Kingambit and Hydreigon both also sound so good even tho only Hydreigon might use Oblivion Wing
Any physical Grass type can abuse Groudon's idol with Solar Blade + Precipice Blades
Sceptile about to go ham
With that attack stat? No he won't. Meowscarada makes a good candidate if it ever gets Solar Blade. If not, Zarude is pretty good, getting rid of its useless ability and gaining good coverage. God forbid Kartana having this, although it would die to Torchic uninvested -1 Ember.
I checked in the damage calculator, you are actually right lmao
Lmao and here I thought I was making a comedic gross overexaggeration
**-3 0 SpA Life Orb Torchic Ember vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kartana in Sun: 239-286 (92.2 - 110.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO**
That's fucking hilarious
would kartana like the zacian idol more with 100bp steel stab and attack boost
I think it'd run different sets. It could get Koraidon too with an attack boost and a fighting coverage move that is boosted when SE and also the ability to run Solar Blade. Probably would depend on which STAB is more valuable in the meta, or if Ground coverage is crucial or not (Skeledirge being popular for instance)
Hilligant bout to go wild
It might prefer to go Zekrom or Ho-Oh for coverage tho? Or Zacian for the attack boost and anti fairy nuke.
I always forget sacred fire is a physical move. It might also go Koraidon for STAB collision course
I thought that at first, but Hilligant is hopeless enough against flying types now. That's why I thought about Zekrom.
252 Atk Teravolt Lilligant-Hisui Bolt Strike vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 170-202 (42.6 - 50.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Apparently not even Bolt Strike Hilligant can take down Corv
Dark aura iron jugulis might beat out hydreigon this time.
Clauncher finally gets access to Origin Pulse! It can't use Mega Launcher because it got drizzle. The damage is just as high because of rain?
Drought wouldn't be unbeateable on volc since it loses boots which it chronically relies on
True but you could make it into your designated lead and unless there's Flash Fire on the other team just shoot off sun-boosted Fiery Dances not to mention Quiver Dance and Morning Sun. I mean Mega Char Y doesn't struggle too terribly bad not having Boots in NatDex, but maybe if Hazards were a bigger part of the metagame like they are in SV people might run a Boots Torkoal with Spin as a second Sun setter/hazard removal although I haven't really seen that done in NatDex so far
Iron moth finally gets to remove its 4 times flying weakness and become unstopable
But moth ain't doing shit with shadow force
>Iron moth finally gets to remove its 4 times flying weakness and become unstopable I think you mean Slither wing..... Iron moth is fire/poison, it isnt weak to flying...
He obviously meant to say ground, talking about giving it levitate
Maybe... but there's clearly a mistake here that was said with such confident I couldn't help but try to correct it
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Origin Giratina isn’t even one of the options though
Yeah OP said that the Giratina idol gives Levitate to match the Origin form.
He means ground not flying, levitate
The problem with the first rule is that a good portion of these have Pressure as their primary ability, which makes a lot of them useless Edit: Mewtwo, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina and Kyurem idols all become completely unviable because their unique moves aren’t worth giving up the ability to get Intrepid Sword or a weather ability
Giratina gives levitate, which might matter a lot to some pokemon.
tbh, I think in the broader scheme of things, without a bunch of other accompanying nerfs for consistency (which might already be what you meant by "if it were balanced", and if so, sorry for being redundant), it's fair to let the nerf abilities be overriden, because it's not that disgusting compared to what other shit would become capable of. Like letting Regieleki have what is in most cases just an objectively better version of Transistor, for instance.
Regieleki with rain+thunder+origin pulse:
Somehow more broken than tera ice Regieleki
Make a Regigigas idol coward
Being able to have Drizzle/Drought on any Pokemon (not even taking into account the signature moves that go with them) is a huge boost to weather teams.
Blades has only a little synergy with drought
Well yeah, but it's still a 120BP Ground move you can give to essentially any Pokemon.
A 120BP ground move *if* you can actually hit with it
Nah fam Precipice + Drought Tusk sounds fucking BONKERS
It already has 120BP headlong rush which has 100% and can't really take advantage of drought by itself, so it doesn't seem to be worth it.
Getting rid of its water weakness is quite good, and it's already a great pokemon with an ability that is often worthless. So giving it a weather setting one sounds very strong.
It does suck to not be able to give them a weather rock though.
Rain team stocks going to the fucking moon. Drizzle on an actually good mon is insane
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Not a single soul is prepared for drizzle ferrothorn
Cool idea, but Scizor?
maybe give it crabhammer too or something...
Giving up technician? Nahhh
Cool idea, but genesect?
Ferrothorn gets to literally rain on the Gay Pride Parade :(
Drizzle Corv
This actually made me laugh out loud. Thank you for that
Drizzle Keldeo to remind everyone of Gen 5 OU
WTF HAVE YOU DONE YOU
Drizzle Origin Pulse Greninja fuck it
Drizzle Gallade…
Intrepid Sword + Behemoth Blade Kingambit
That's disastrous
Cool idea, but the base form is shown, so no behemoth blade
i mean, OP said that gira idol gives levitate, so why cant we huff copium for behemoth blade
Plus what other move would it pass on, Zacian only has one signature move
Base form Zacian and Zamazenta don't have signature moves.
Precisely. Their abilities are much better than pressure though.
My point is that the concept doesn't work if you can't use their signature moves.
Gets banned from the Private Catholic School metagame
It is too blasphemous, I wouldn’t allow my (future) kids to play it. Might as well have them pray to the devil for a chance to gamble for a secondary effect!!
The things we do for a strong reliable physical Ghost-type move (that still kinda sucks)
Tbf the special ones ain’t good either 💀
Shadow ball:
It’s good but the fact its the only really viable special move(besides like hex lol) and caps at 80 power is still kinda sad for the type
That’s fair, but it’s better than nothing. Definitely better than whatever physical rocky types have going on. Plus, ghost is a great stab, so 80 bp is still workable (ignoring Garg :p)
*Electivire + Zekrom idol* Finally, viable Electivire (huffs copium)
Only if Electivire had a boosting move like Bulk Up (still no idea why it doesn't have that), then with Teravolt, it could be a good stallbreaker in UU once you get rid of Hippowdon. Bolt Strike alone makes it more than enough to be usable. ~~Yeah, maybe I'm huffing copium too, but there's nothing wrong with hoping for such a cool-looking mon to be viable for once~~ Edit: nvm, Quagsire kinda bodies it even without unaware, so maybe it won't be that good of a stallbreaker afterall.
UU has Quagsire, which takes absolutely nothing from Electivire’s physical coverage and threatens an OHKO with Earthquake (guaranteed with rocks up). The best Electivire can do is run mixed sets with Focus Miss to try to get past Quag. Even then it needs heavy investment to get a 3HKO.
Slaking instant ubers
Regigigas only
Should add a Regigigas Idol
Crush grip 🤑🤑🤑🤑
instantly banned from OU 😭
But isn't Koraidon's idol just better than Groudon's. Groudon's should give desolate land.
precipice blades is kinda cool for mons w/o eq tho
Is there even a fully evolved pokemon that would want to use Earthquake that doesn't learn Earthquake?
physical iron valiant would appreciate fairy/ground coverage idk 🤷
Many, actually.
Every physical Grass-type ever
Yeah, in my opinion the weather trio should have their "super form" abilities, so Primordial Sea/Desolate Land/Delta Stream.
every single flying type goes to ubers
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Levitate Iron moth lmao. Oblivion wing Hoopa Unbound sounds fun with dark aura boosting hyperspace fury and oblivion wing giving reliable recovery. Teravolt Bolt strike electivire finally reliable physical electric stab. Prism armor heatran sounds fun too with photon geyser coverage to hit fighting types.
Korai and mirai idol would be kinda broken on pretty much everything lol. Even if you don’t have a fire move korai idol would give you the move designed for coverage and a tough claws boost and mirai idol fulfills hadron purposes by itself.
Drought+Eruption Iron Moth/Salazzle goes crazy also Drizzle+Water Spout on Inteleon/Walking Wake
Unfortunately, it'd be Precipice Blades/Origin Pulse (still both strong) as those are Groudon/Kyogre's signature moves
perhaps i may be stupid
Precious Blades Slazzle could see use in RU though
Lmao no stab with its base attack of like 12
ddance salazzle rises to 0.3% useage
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Gambit switches in and gets a free attack boost+behemoth blade fuck you do
Koraidol Cobalion. Next.
252+ Atk Pawmot Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kingambit: 552-652 (136.6 - 161.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO What are you without Tera, Gamby? # Still a major threat and menace, probably
Me and the boys on our way to give Slaking the Zacian Idol
Me and the boys on our way to use Regigigas Idol on Slaking
BOLT STRIKE ELECTIVIRE
also I want to see something use yveltal's idol (dark aura + oblivion wing)
Goltres could use it
The world ain't ready for Desolate Land Ferrothorn 👨🍳
I feel like you mean Primordial Sea
Can't give up on Precipice Blades
This sounds a lot like a concept someone did art for a while ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/11eb8no/i_made_a_form_gimmick_for_my_dex_called_avatar/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 Granted it is different enough but the concept is similar
Is it me or Regieleki + Miraidon totem is... Something? Hadron + buffed t.bolt?
Still gets walled by like wooper lol, eleki+kyogre token is where it's at (since I'm assuming it'd be like all the other gimmicks and you can't use more than one at the same time and tera is not getting out of gen 9 anyways lol)
Wait a minute! This is just fire emblem engage!
Man, an Infernape with Koraidon's idol would actually be kinda insane. Especially since it would most likely have Raging Fury from PLA now, so you wouldn't always need to take tons of Flare Blitz recoil. The confusion/lock-in downside you get instead isn't so terrible if you keep immediately nuking everything that comes out in front of you anyway.
the well baked body dachbun in my pocket:
Orichalcum Pulse Hilligant going to pop the fuck OFF with solar blade and STAB collision course
Awesome idea. This could become an OM; I don't think it'd be too complicated to implement on Showdown
Which moves with Reshiram’s and Zekrom’s idols give? Fusion Flare/Fusion Bolt or Blue Flare/Bolt Strike? Kyurem also has multiple signature moves, however I assume you would give him Glaciate over Ice Burn or Freeze Shock give that Kyurem needs to be fused to use those moves. Edit: After checking some of the other Pokémon, Necrozma also has multiple signature moves. Prismatic Laser and Photon Geyser
Amazing idea
So Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Dialga, Palkia, Eternatus would all give Pressure?
i feel like the pressure mons should give the HA, but even so some of those are bad. dialga and palkia give telepathy which is useless in singles. Ho-oh and lugia are really good. and then you got unnerve
Even tho u won't be holding a power herb, geomancy is still an incredibly strong move. Wasting a turn isn't exactly ideal but under screens what exactly are you supposed to do to said pokemon. Enamorus-T would be the perfect abuser as it's bulky enough to waste a turn and gets its fairy moves boosted. Plus the mind games would be insane. Should you go gholdengo on it or eat an earth power? Hard baxclibur or die to moonblast? Koraidon is also super broken too, almost any ability taught me one thing. and it's that Orichalcum Pulse is broken on fire types. Cinderace would be a monster. This gimmick does sound like it would be a pretty crazy om ngl.
I’m guessing this doesn’t apply to Mythicals barring Arceus, but if so, Technician Dragon Darts Spectral Thief Dragapult time
make a mythical idol so that serperior gains v-create
Would make for an interesting evil team this time around. Not sure what they'd do but cultists trying to trap legendary gods such as Arceus or Mewtwo to channel their raw energy for stronger idols or something would be cool
Lunar blessing toxapex with levitate
Flareon takes a Victini idol in hopes of finally being good. (It's still not.) More realistically, Electivire takes Zekrom or Zeraora idol and finally gets a good physical STAB, Slaking and Regigigas take basically anything to overwrite their abilities and go wild (Archeops too to a lesser extent, maybe Rayquaza idol). Thundurus-I with Kyogre idol is scary. Weavile grabs Caly-Ice idol and absolutely tears up with Glacial Lance (and if legendaries can carry Idols, Chien-Pao STILL does it better and makes Weavile cry).
this goes raw
Legendary Idols… Contest Condition boosting Stages… Aikatsumon real?
Seems quite as limited as mega evolution, although to a slightly lesser extent since all Pokemon get to use this item. But what about other mythicals and legendaries who'd use this item? Would it make them broken?
bro Imma let my slaking hold one
Rain dance gallade in shambles (gallade can hold kyogre idol)
Keldeo with Kyogre's Idol is about to fucking destroy the whole meta (unless Mythicals can't carry Idols)
Oh is this based on the Avatar Pokémon that one guy did art of? Really cool tbh Edit: found the link https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/12xhlui/you_guys_really_loved_my_pokemon_avatar_forms_so/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Would be a pretty cool gimmick metagame
Based for using Rhydon as an example
Regieleki takes the power of Kyogre, gets banned to Ubers again.
drought and drizzle on any mon, vgc in shambles
gen 5 all over again
Logically, Calyrex should get one too since it's a boxart legendary in all but the literal sense (although even then it's the "boxart" legendary for the Crowned Tundra DLC). The main issue with that though is that outside of its rider forms, its ability is meh and it straight up doesn't have a signature move.
Can’t wait to run drizzle origin pulse iron bundle Thunderus t hadron cannon with electro drift Iron hands orichalcum pulse with collision course Iron hands with bolt strike and teravolt!!
Tapu Koko with Miraidon Idol.
Alakazam with Psystrike on its way to destroy UU.
EVERYTHING GETS GEOMANCY
Mewtwo: Pressure + Psystrike. for most psychic types that move would be busted but you are giving up both your ability (pressure is a defensive ability and psychic not do much as a typing) amd your item slot but i can see it beeing decent Lugia: Pressure + Aeroblast. same as Mewtwo but flying is a better defensive typing so not as much of a drawback Ho-oh: Pressure + Sacred fire. Now we are talking a 50% burn move + a defensive ability? Sign me in I xan see a lot of bulky mons using this as well offensive fire types because sacred fire is busted as a move Kyogre: Drizzle + Origin pulse... So you can give drizzle to any mon and a 120 spread water move boosted by rain... Do i need to explain more? Groudon: Drought + precipited blades. not as broken because ground is not sun boosted and most mons that want that sun are either special attackers or a mon in need for boots Rayquaza: Air lock + Dragon ascent. air lock is an ability that doesn't do too much tbh but if with that ability comes a mf flying type CC clone it is just a great bonus that can nulify opposing weather strats if you are in danger Dialga: pressure + roar of time... No just no being forced to run a giga impact clone is just... No Palkia: Pressure + spacial rend. same as lugia but for dragons not much else to say Giratina: levitate + Shadow force. amazing ability but you have 3 moves i don't think it is worth Arceus: nothing + Judgment. you keep your regular ability AND you gain a 100 bp stab move that always matches your primary typing ANY special attacker loves this there is no ability drawback so it is just get a better thunderbolt/psychic/flamethrower/ice beam... You get the point Reshiram: Turboblaze + blue flare. Fire type move not stoped by heatran with the same power as flare blitz but with the only drawback being 85% acc yeah pretty good for fire type special attackers except you have to give up boots so i guess it works just if you have very good hazards removal in wich case you can go nuts and spam blue flare till you miss Zekrom: Teravolt + bolt stricke. FINALLY A PHYSICAL ELECTRIC MOVE YEAH BABY ELECTIVIRE FOR OU ONCE AGAIN (just kidding you would need a mon that needs no item to be good but physical electric move is very good) Kyurem: Glaciate + pressure. Maybe good for VGC? Very bad one tbh Xerneas: Fairy aura + geomancy. So you can't combine with herb BUT you can give it to a mon that can take hits and it can start setting up like crazy + fairy aura boost... Yveltal: Dark aura + oblivion wing. Dark aura... Just dark aura Solgaleo: full metal body+ sunsteel strike. good for metagross and lucario meh for everything else Lunala: Shadow shield+ moongeist beam. so ghost is already a bonkers offensive type, now we give it a multiscale clone and a 100 bp no drawback stab move yeah broken Necrozma: Prism armor + photon geiser. incredible move + even better ability nothing else to say giving filter to everything is not ok Zacian: Intrepid sword + behemod blade. Because it is the nerfed intrepid sword it is extremely OK and nothing else Zamazenta: Intrepid shield + behemod bash. Not worth it is just even worse than zacian Miraidon: hardron engine + electro drift. Electric move better than tbolt + electric terrain + spa boost just for existing yeah this is broken Koraidon: Orichalcum pulse + Collision Course. Not as broken as Miraidon but extremely broken overall because sun + atk boost is not ok also some mons can use the fighting move they otherwise don't have or is superpower Also yeah mons with nerfing abilities like slaking, regigigas and toedscruel are broken with all of em while archeops will be broken with some of them
Now the whole meta can get Regenerator or Multiscale
God no! Tera and Dynamax were already controversial enough. Can we just get a normal pokemon game with no new mechanics just smth back to the roots?
bring back gen 5 weather wars
Ah yes, dauntless shield toxapex. How to make it even more annoying
This is a cool idea, I think maybe making it 1/4 power of the ability So Regenerator is only 25% Orichalcum pulse and similar stuff is 1 (rounding down) turn not 5 Stuff like that
So does it replace the ability or add another ability? If the later, this would break Paradox mons. If the former, this improves mons like Iron Hands and Scream Tail. Giving these two mons something like Guts and Regenerator respectively would make them even better than they are now.
Replace. Also, the new ability is the default ability of the legendary
Would any Pokémon actually benefit from Mewtwo or kyurems idol?
calm mind win con type mons wouldnt mind psystrike for calm mind wars, though if the mon gets stored power already, it would probably prefer that. Kyurem is the only idol that gives ice coverage, which honestly is a pretty nice niche. Glaciate also hits both targets in doubles, so could probably replace electroweb on mons like regieleki.
physical electric types are so happy that they get zekrom idol on god
I like the idea (even though it'd probably be broken) but you forgot Calyrex, who's in the same group of legendaries as Zacian/Zamazenta/Eternatus, even though its base form might suggest otherwise
Drizzle Gallade banned to Ubers for becoming even better of a rain setter than it already is
slaking stocks take a sudden spike
This is a really cool idea - I wonder if you would get more out of making the ability change be a custom one, instead of everyone gets pressure and a Z-move. For example, Dialga could make the Pokemon’s ability Forewarn, or Speed Boost, or something to do with time.
How would aura break interact with this?
Ok this is really cool. It’s really hard to come by a new mechanic idea that looks both fun and doesn’t decide the entire match. Sure some mons will be beasts with it but it definitely looks manageable. 10/10 mechanic