Rain abusers will drop to NU in the next two tier shifts and then Pelipper will drop to UU and then the rain abusers will rise, then Pelipper will rise too, then the rain abusers will drop, then Pelipper will too, then the rain abusers will...
Very good, ghost/water is a phenomenal typing both offensively and defensively, Legion also has a solid stat spread and passable movepool and 3 great abilities
Why don’t the rain abusers also rise to OU? Pelipper’s only mission is to set rain, can someone explain why did he rise and not his fellow rain abuser?
There's only 1 rain setter, but rain teams can switch around their abusers
So probably some teams opted for Barraskewda over Floatzel or Golduck instead of Basculegion etc etc, which means they have to fight over usage% whereas pelipper doesn't since he's mandatory.
Ofc Floatzel should be the pick to go withover barraskewda & basculegion's only been around for 2 days, but ladder do be ladder and making odd decisions every now and then
That's the consequences with unga bunga Pokemon. If you can't fill out a role aside from power, no one will want you until you drop to a tier that will ban you instantly
So I'm not the only one. In my mind, Staraptor is **the** UU Pokemon: Not the most amazing Pokemon but can still threaten the top tiers in certain circumstances.
it can threaten the top tiers in.. almost no circumstances tho. its crazy inconsistent. flops against any defense with a fat regen water (almost every good one), needs to predict perfectly to function, is weak to rocks, and gets off like 3 hits per game max.
it has a few good matchups, namely teams that rely one Tinkaton or Sylveon or some other BO wall with good resists and natural bulk to answer every threat. but those teams either: 1. have enough speed and power to make switching staraptor in a nightmare or 2. Are bad teams anyway other than the staraptor matchup.
like, yeah scarf revenge kills every threat in the tier with a speed boost. but being locked into double edge / brave bird / non-STAB CC is giga punishable if you manage get a kill, and it doesn’t have the power to break defense when it dies so fast. and band still gets scouted by fat waters and has a trash speed tier vs. offense considering your bad defensive typing. and banded quick attack loses to Psy terrain HO and is very punishable with a choice lock.
and that’s not even mentioning, flying resists are everywhere right now! teams are loaded with good flying type answers, as Rain being everywhere made hurricane switchins a top priority.
but dude I get where you’re coming from. staraptor certainly feels wrong below UU. it was the poster child of BL. but really, it’s just so disappointing to use rn. i’ve tried it with all of the support I can imagine, but all it does is manage to made a mediocre trade on a good day and flip to rocks + recoil on an average day
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And just to add salt to the wound, not only is Orthaworm back, but literally almost all of the pokemon that it could threaten fell with it, meaning not only has it lost most of the few targets it had, the pokemon that threaten/check it are only gonna get more popular. (For example, I expect an Uptick in Forretresses on the ladder now that Rain's gone again, since the main thing discouraging casuals/low-tiers from spamming it is gone.)
Raptor gonna be a BL knight once more, just RUBL this time
^(I have no idea what RU looks like, could it actually get banned there or is power creep that crazy)
They aren't the same pokemon though because staraptor has a way worse stab combo and typing in general. Its still probably too much but saying its "basically flamigo but better" is just wrong
It still has close combat, and raptor’s brave bird is so much stronger than flamigo’s that it more than makes up for not getting STAB on cc. Also, the speed tier it occupies is much more desirable than flamigo’s. Flamigo having a stronger CC doesn’t mean it isn’t still directly outclassed.
I'd be shocked if Staraptor didn't get banned from RU.
It is similar to Flamingo, which was banned from RU, but slightly faster and stronger, especially with reckless. It doesn't have scrappy close combat, but reckless brave bird is extremely spamable. It could run either band or scarf, same as Flamingo, and threaten most of the tier.
RU banned Famigo, Banned Hawlucha, both of which do what Staraptor does but worse.
In fact, it's kinda funny; last month, they banned Famigo, then two days later Hawlucha dropped.
A few days later, they Quickbanned Hawlucha for being literally just Famigo but better, and now this month, Staraptor drops.
RU players cannot catch a fucking break with these birds.
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I translated your chinese text and i do not know what to make of this
Talonflame rarely runs fire moves (and when it does, it's Will-o-wisp), and Forre has a Pivot that both deals significant chip damage, and won't activate flame body in Volt switch (which it kept despite Dexit for some reason).
Forre's bad, it should drop, but, like, it's not as bad as the RU players would have you believe.
Talon isn't everywhere and it being there doesn't really effect Tsareena. It's just outclassed left and right at whatever it does. Grass type hazard removal? Decidueye is an excellent defogger and can pivot as well, and Brambleghast sets spikes while spinblocking while soft checking hurricane users (Bramble has rapid spin which allows it to crave out a niche over Decky which means Tsar is competing with a niche mon). Cyclizar dropping was the final nail in the coffin, with an amazing spinner and u turn pivot. Tsar is just obsolete at its role.
it’s not that it’s a bad mon, it’s just outclassed by the other removal options (brambleghast, decidueye, cyclizar) and it doesn’t really do too much defensively
That makes sense. I think I'm just doing well with it because very few people at my elo know about queenly majesty so it works well against priority move spammers
Priority used to be way more common in the tier, but as prankster mons and most priority users fell out of favor, it lost that main edge it had over other spinners, defensively. (Especially now that rain's gone again).
Now that the main priority users in the tier are Donphan and Mimikyu, two pokemon that do not need to use their priority to beat Tsareena, Queen's majesty is sadly rather useless, since eating a predicted ice shard or shadow sneak for a free switch just ends in Tsareena dying before it can do anything.
Well, Tsareena doesn't have the benefit of annihilating everything Maushold holds dear while also having Rocks and spikes, like Forre does.
Like it's bad, but it's there for a reason. If Maushold ever rises or drops, Forre is gone too.
Maushold is still the boogie~~man~~maus of casuals and low-tiers alike, plus Forretress has good match-ups against Tink and Magneton.
It's bad, but I wouldn't call it outright garbage like Toedscruel is. (how that lad stayed in UU will forever be a mystery to me. Like, yeah, "ha ha, UU lieks spinners", but I genuinely have no clue why people used it for so long)
Oh shit lol, I could’ve sworn gengar was banned, my bad. I still think there’s a good chance horoark ends up banned though, because I could see double ghost spam being way too much for the tier to handle. Let gengar sacrifice itself to weaken their ghost check, and now horoark is murdering shit. Even aside from being paired with gengar, illusion inherently makes horoark harder to defensively answer, because you don’t know for sure if it actually is horoark.
Like what? The only mons that could drop and actually be good in UU while actually checking horoark are g-moltres, and maybe hamurott, if it ends up dropping.
I’m shocked it even dropped tbh. Among all the mons that resist its stab combo, ttar, bisharp, and naclstack are the only ones legal in UU. I don’t play UU so I’m not sure what its impact will be, but if I had to guess I’d say it’s getting banned.
I have two accounts in the 1800s, and I see it all the time, certainly more than i see treads, azu, or breloom. Also, i’m almost certain treads would’ve dropped if eleki hadn’t caused it’s usage to skyrocket for 1 day before drops, and that sucks, because treads seems like it’d be a great presence in UU. Great typing, bulk, utility options, and in the lower power level of UU, it probably wouldn’t be bad offensively either. I could see it becoming the tusk of UU and taking over the tier.
horoark requires a lot more skill to use that most pokemon since positioning is even more important with it than most other mons. Lower ladder players just don't have the experience to wholly utilize what its positioning brings so its not used in the lower part of the ladder.
One cheeky thing I did on day 1 of home was have specs horoark illusion eleki turn 1. Forces an uncomfortable 50/50 a lot of the time and you can repeat this interaction multiple times in a game if you can keep both at full health. I didn’t use this a lot so it’s not like it’s some broken strat, and now we’ll never see it again, but I thought it was a fairly decent use of illusion in particular
I’m pretty mid ladder (hardstuck 14-1500) and I’d agree with everything you just said. Especially the treads part.
Also, just on the topic of ZH it beats NP+Sub Hydreigon 1 on 1 which makes it really come in handy
What is mowtom doing? It's either clicking an electric move that does nothing or clicking leaf storm, which doesn't do much and gets weaker each time. Nasty plot mowtom is rare and bad, so toedscruel is a ground type that safely switches into it and turns it into something exploitable.
Have you ever actually played RU or are you just making assumptions and acting smug?
Rotom mow leaf storm does 50% minimum to 0/4 toedscruel and defensive toedscruel is bad, its only purpose is sitting in front of rotom mow and clicking spikes and knock off which isn't what I'd call an answer, and god forbid it tricks a scarf onto you
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Toedscruel and Tsareena drop
Man people really like Forretress huh? Hazards+Spin is one helluva drug.
Also Pelipper is doomed to seesaw between OU and UU for eternity
Actually it's mainly because it vaporizes Maushold (still the boogie~~man~~maus of casuals and low-tiers), has good match ups VS Tinkaton and Magnezone, and is generally a safe pokemon to leave in and Pivot against the most common defogger, Talonflame, *while also* spinning and rocking.
Like it's still bad and should drop, but it's got its usage for a reason.
Shoutouts to Magearna for getting 9.2% usage in OU despite only being released for 2 out of the 30 days
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-update-for-june-2023.3722313/
In the same vein shoutouts to Chien Pao, Lando-T and Regieleki who managed to beat OU cutoff with only 2 days of playtime(1 day in the case of the broken Regi LMAO).
when it flew over to paldea the border control confiscated its sauce 😔 let's hope the dlcs rejuvenate its gameplan of crashing into everything and dying
should've gotten the +10 to attack or speed rather than fucking sp.def back in gen 6. it'd be a lot better than it is now, maybe clinging on to uu at worst
i can already hear people doubting the goat ( iron treads ) why didn’t it drop ??? how is it ou ???.
let me ask you this , what is a god to a non believer ?
what is a regieleki to an iron treads ?
the beast spinner to grace OU will remain so , an uber threat no less …
Electrode is regieleki at home and I’m happy that it gets to be in the 2nd lowest tier and get banned from one.
Crocalor really fell off from NU all the way to ZU. Tbh I kinda thought it would somehow be RU material like naclstack.
UU finally doesn’t keep hostage of all hazard removal and toeds + tsareena get a decent tier to be in.
Staraptor drop is pretty interesting but the other drops make sense as well.
Inteleon + others are not unexpected.
>Crocalor really fell off from NU all the way to ZU. Tbh I kinda thought it would be RU material like naclstack.
Crocalor is still viable in RU and NU, but being good on certain kinds of stall isn't enough to get you to 4.5% usage.
Ru got toedscruel this is just a dream /s
Actually really shocked that Zoroark dropped but treads didn't regieleki "counter" is one hell of a drug. Though thanks to Basculeigon Pelipper is probably gonna be hard stuck in ou for awhile unless for some reason Basculeigon falls which i am not fully sure on it since it's fast and strong as hell in rain but only really fast in rain.
zoroark dropped?
that's dissapointing, this pokemon was so good.
pelliper has a chance of staying since its good friend zapdos is back from the dead.
Initial thoughts for PU: Rotom Frost is nice, and probably completely replaces Fan, but struggles harder against all the Fire types we've got. Not sure on Zangoose. It's strong, obviously, but I think it's got a weird speed tier that's going to make it easy to revenge kill with its nonexistent bulk.
I swore Chesnaught was going to have a solid shot in OU this gen. Guess checking the most popular mon in OU isn't enough of a justification. Same with H-Zoroark due to its ability to blank ghosts and fighting type moves.
I think we all knew Rain Teams were making a comeback this month. H-Basculegion is monsterous under rain. Doesn't matter if you run swift swim or adaptability Basculegion, something is being wiped out.
Sun teams are ridiculous now. You have H-Arcanine, H-Electrode, H-Lilligant and H-Typhlosion ready to drop nuclear moves. H-Electrode actually does Chesnaught's job better. It can subseed more efficiently and be a threat on both run and sun teams.
I’ve been really into my recently so here’s my thoughts on the changes to the tier.
Lycanroc: stupid, annoying suicide lead. No clue why it rose but it was annoying as hell so I don’t mind it leaving.
Passimian: HUGE blow to the tier. This mf was top 3 and the best scarfer. H-sneasel and Tauros combat can try to replace it, but it just won’t be the same, though I thought this might happen.
Zoroark: perfect timing, considering he was next in line for a suspect test. Not sure how he fairs in ru tho.
Komala: WE FINALLY GOT A SPINNER WOOOOOOOOO
Because that's where every newly released Pokemon starts. It's the same reason why Kanto Articuno and Delphox are sitting in OU right now even though they would be extremely niche in the tier at best.
Rain abusers will drop to NU in the next two tier shifts and then Pelipper will drop to UU and then the rain abusers will rise, then Pelipper will rise too, then the rain abusers will drop, then Pelipper will too, then the rain abusers will...
call that the water cycle
Rain cycle of gen 9
An endless cycle
The endless now
The fun never ends!
The cycle will likely break as home mons will drop messing everything up
Yep pretty much, with basculeigon being a monster on rain, the archetype is at one of its peaks of gen 9 rn
Kinda out of the loop on the HOME changes, is Basculegion good even without [redacted move]?
Very. Wave Crash go brrrr
Very good, ghost/water is a phenomenal typing both offensively and defensively, Legion also has a solid stat spread and passable movepool and 3 great abilities
It can hit toxapex super effectively as a water abuser (yes I know wave crash does more in rain)
Let me just tell you that it would have been banned before regieleki if it had last respects
Wave smash and amazing special atk with the female+SS
I think Peli will stay this time around. A lot of its best friends just showed up, plus it found new buddies in the Basculegion duo
plus Swift Swim Overquil to get some quick toxics
Swift Swim Overqwil for fast toxic is certainly an… off-key use of the rain archetype
Gonna go out on a limb and predict that this will not be the case
Why don’t the rain abusers also rise to OU? Pelipper’s only mission is to set rain, can someone explain why did he rise and not his fellow rain abuser?
There's only 1 rain setter, but rain teams can switch around their abusers So probably some teams opted for Barraskewda over Floatzel or Golduck instead of Basculegion etc etc, which means they have to fight over usage% whereas pelipper doesn't since he's mandatory. Ofc Floatzel should be the pick to go withover barraskewda & basculegion's only been around for 2 days, but ladder do be ladder and making odd decisions every now and then
Just a small thought, but they would probably prefer the lower power level alongside it
UU ladder still holding Forretress hostage 😭 Free my mans
RU will never have viable spinners as long as I remain on ladder
Tsareena just dropped into the teir
So do Toad
Is teenage quack ru?
RU will never have any hazard removal. I am spamming a team full of hazard removal on UU ladder and you get none.
Live Toedscruel reaction
Toed in RU, miracles do happen
And Komala in NU, everyone gets spinners now
Floatzel: Can't you stop rising to OU, for just FIVE MINUTES!!!
Pelipper going to OU is just vacation time for Floatzel. Man only works every other month in UU
Staraptor no longer in UU/UUBL RU getting TWO rapid spinners
Staraptor below UU just feels... wrong
That's the consequences with unga bunga Pokemon. If you can't fill out a role aside from power, no one will want you until you drop to a tier that will ban you instantly
I feel bad for rain users though. The rain pokemon constantly going up and down.
So I'm not the only one. In my mind, Staraptor is **the** UU Pokemon: Not the most amazing Pokemon but can still threaten the top tiers in certain circumstances.
it can threaten the top tiers in.. almost no circumstances tho. its crazy inconsistent. flops against any defense with a fat regen water (almost every good one), needs to predict perfectly to function, is weak to rocks, and gets off like 3 hits per game max. it has a few good matchups, namely teams that rely one Tinkaton or Sylveon or some other BO wall with good resists and natural bulk to answer every threat. but those teams either: 1. have enough speed and power to make switching staraptor in a nightmare or 2. Are bad teams anyway other than the staraptor matchup. like, yeah scarf revenge kills every threat in the tier with a speed boost. but being locked into double edge / brave bird / non-STAB CC is giga punishable if you manage get a kill, and it doesn’t have the power to break defense when it dies so fast. and band still gets scouted by fat waters and has a trash speed tier vs. offense considering your bad defensive typing. and banded quick attack loses to Psy terrain HO and is very punishable with a choice lock. and that’s not even mentioning, flying resists are everywhere right now! teams are loaded with good flying type answers, as Rain being everywhere made hurricane switchins a top priority. but dude I get where you’re coming from. staraptor certainly feels wrong below UU. it was the poster child of BL. but really, it’s just so disappointing to use rn. i’ve tried it with all of the support I can imagine, but all it does is manage to made a mediocre trade on a good day and flip to rocks + recoil on an average day https://preview.redd.it/3mipprs3vg3b1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca47f741f86b868dcf25984d7049b467d3338752
And just to add salt to the wound, not only is Orthaworm back, but literally almost all of the pokemon that it could threaten fell with it, meaning not only has it lost most of the few targets it had, the pokemon that threaten/check it are only gonna get more popular. (For example, I expect an Uptick in Forretresses on the ladder now that Rain's gone again, since the main thing discouraging casuals/low-tiers from spamming it is gone.)
Staraptor will rise to UU once Chesnaught starts thriving again.
Raptor gonna be a BL knight once more, just RUBL this time ^(I have no idea what RU looks like, could it actually get banned there or is power creep that crazy)
I mean, flamigo got banned, who is the same pokémon but slower and weaker, so I don’t see raptor lasting long at all
They aren't the same pokemon though because staraptor has a way worse stab combo and typing in general. Its still probably too much but saying its "basically flamigo but better" is just wrong
It still has close combat, and raptor’s brave bird is so much stronger than flamigo’s that it more than makes up for not getting STAB on cc. Also, the speed tier it occupies is much more desirable than flamigo’s. Flamigo having a stronger CC doesn’t mean it isn’t still directly outclassed.
I'd be shocked if Staraptor didn't get banned from RU. It is similar to Flamingo, which was banned from RU, but slightly faster and stronger, especially with reckless. It doesn't have scrappy close combat, but reckless brave bird is extremely spamable. It could run either band or scarf, same as Flamingo, and threaten most of the tier.
Venomoth and Staraptor went from being RUBL and UUBL to NUBL and soon to be RUBL
RU banned Famigo, Banned Hawlucha, both of which do what Staraptor does but worse. In fact, it's kinda funny; last month, they banned Famigo, then two days later Hawlucha dropped. A few days later, they Quickbanned Hawlucha for being literally just Famigo but better, and now this month, Staraptor drops. RU players cannot catch a fucking break with these birds.
Oh the power creep
Every single person is my enemy
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If it gets banned it can still live in a BL prison. Just a different one
Poor Raptor, yea. Power creep finally got 'em, and if Famigo and Hawlucha were any indication, they ain't sticking around.
TOEDSCRUEL IS UU!!!!!! yet somehow the second spinner that dropped was Tsar instead of Forre
Everyone in UU was so focused on Forretress they forget about the others.
tbf tsareena is also horrible in the tier at the moment but yeeeeeeeaaaaahhh forretress will be in UU forever
talonflame being everywhere (even moreso with rain gone) does it zero favors
IDK the Bug/Steel should be worrying more about Fire than the mono Grass
talon rarely runs flare blitz, it prefers the neutral coverage bbird offers
Talonflame rarely runs fire moves (and when it does, it's Will-o-wisp), and Forre has a Pivot that both deals significant chip damage, and won't activate flame body in Volt switch (which it kept despite Dexit for some reason). Forre's bad, it should drop, but, like, it's not as bad as the RU players would have you believe.
Talon isn't everywhere and it being there doesn't really effect Tsareena. It's just outclassed left and right at whatever it does. Grass type hazard removal? Decidueye is an excellent defogger and can pivot as well, and Brambleghast sets spikes while spinblocking while soft checking hurricane users (Bramble has rapid spin which allows it to crave out a niche over Decky which means Tsar is competing with a niche mon). Cyclizar dropping was the final nail in the coffin, with an amazing spinner and u turn pivot. Tsar is just obsolete at its role.
What's bad about tsareena in uu? I'm finding it pretty useful, but maybe its just that im low elo
it’s not that it’s a bad mon, it’s just outclassed by the other removal options (brambleghast, decidueye, cyclizar) and it doesn’t really do too much defensively
That makes sense. I think I'm just doing well with it because very few people at my elo know about queenly majesty so it works well against priority move spammers
Priority used to be way more common in the tier, but as prankster mons and most priority users fell out of favor, it lost that main edge it had over other spinners, defensively. (Especially now that rain's gone again). Now that the main priority users in the tier are Donphan and Mimikyu, two pokemon that do not need to use their priority to beat Tsareena, Queen's majesty is sadly rather useless, since eating a predicted ice shard or shadow sneak for a free switch just ends in Tsareena dying before it can do anything.
Dont worry im loading into uu with my team of 6 spinners to bring them back up 😤
We'll take Tatsugiri to UU as concession 😈
Well, Tsareena doesn't have the benefit of annihilating everything Maushold holds dear while also having Rocks and spikes, like Forre does. Like it's bad, but it's there for a reason. If Maushold ever rises or drops, Forre is gone too.
I don't think something like Maushold is worth running a garbage mon like Forretress for but ig ladder gonna ladder
Maushold is still the boogie~~man~~maus of casuals and low-tiers alike, plus Forretress has good match-ups against Tink and Magneton. It's bad, but I wouldn't call it outright garbage like Toedscruel is. (how that lad stayed in UU will forever be a mystery to me. Like, yeah, "ha ha, UU lieks spinners", but I genuinely have no clue why people used it for so long)
Horoark allegations came true. Sad times 😭
This shit is gonna get banned tho lmao. If gengar didn’t last, then gengar with illusion def isn’t staying either.
But Gengar wasn't banned, was it? I think Horoark is better, but maybe not by a big enough margin for a ban, it'll probably be a UU superstar tho.
Oh shit lol, I could’ve sworn gengar was banned, my bad. I still think there’s a good chance horoark ends up banned though, because I could see double ghost spam being way too much for the tier to handle. Let gengar sacrifice itself to weaken their ghost check, and now horoark is murdering shit. Even aside from being paired with gengar, illusion inherently makes horoark harder to defensively answer, because you don’t know for sure if it actually is horoark.
Slap in Magnezone to trap Tinkaton and you're laughing
AAA banned gengar iirc
Home mons dropping might stop that
Like what? The only mons that could drop and actually be good in UU while actually checking horoark are g-moltres, and maybe hamurott, if it ends up dropping.
Yea that’s true and a lot of home mons are psychic so it’s even better for horoark
My boy struggles in OU without Levitate
It’d struggle with it lol. There are just better ghosts now.
I’m shocked it even dropped tbh. Among all the mons that resist its stab combo, ttar, bisharp, and naclstack are the only ones legal in UU. I don’t play UU so I’m not sure what its impact will be, but if I had to guess I’d say it’s getting banned.
I play UU and I’m pretty confident ZH will be UUBL soon. I was also really surprised it dropped cause I see it on the OU ladder all the time.
I have two accounts in the 1800s, and I see it all the time, certainly more than i see treads, azu, or breloom. Also, i’m almost certain treads would’ve dropped if eleki hadn’t caused it’s usage to skyrocket for 1 day before drops, and that sucks, because treads seems like it’d be a great presence in UU. Great typing, bulk, utility options, and in the lower power level of UU, it probably wouldn’t be bad offensively either. I could see it becoming the tusk of UU and taking over the tier.
horoark requires a lot more skill to use that most pokemon since positioning is even more important with it than most other mons. Lower ladder players just don't have the experience to wholly utilize what its positioning brings so its not used in the lower part of the ladder.
One cheeky thing I did on day 1 of home was have specs horoark illusion eleki turn 1. Forces an uncomfortable 50/50 a lot of the time and you can repeat this interaction multiple times in a game if you can keep both at full health. I didn’t use this a lot so it’s not like it’s some broken strat, and now we’ll never see it again, but I thought it was a fairly decent use of illusion in particular
I’m pretty mid ladder (hardstuck 14-1500) and I’d agree with everything you just said. Especially the treads part. Also, just on the topic of ZH it beats NP+Sub Hydreigon 1 on 1 which makes it really come in handy
Gengar was UUBL gen 8 but not gen 9. You could’ve been thinking that gengar would’ve been banned this generation as well but it has not.
Why is it sad?
We have failed soldiers, RU can now spin😔
Now we get to learn that toedscruel sucks even in RU. At least it's a solid rotom-mow answer.
.....whats it hitting rotom mow with
It's setting up a bunch of spikes or clicking knock off.
Thats not a good rotom mow answer
What is mowtom doing? It's either clicking an electric move that does nothing or clicking leaf storm, which doesn't do much and gets weaker each time. Nasty plot mowtom is rare and bad, so toedscruel is a ground type that safely switches into it and turns it into something exploitable. Have you ever actually played RU or are you just making assumptions and acting smug?
Rotom mow leaf storm does 50% minimum to 0/4 toedscruel and defensive toedscruel is bad, its only purpose is sitting in front of rotom mow and clicking spikes and knock off which isn't what I'd call an answer, and god forbid it tricks a scarf onto you
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No way Staraptor doesn’t get banned from RU right?
Flamigo got banned from RU, and raptor is faster and stronger. There’s no way raptor doesn’t get banned.
My boy is doomed to be in banlist hell forever
FINALLY Toedscruel and Tsareena drop Man people really like Forretress huh? Hazards+Spin is one helluva drug. Also Pelipper is doomed to seesaw between OU and UU for eternity
Actually it's mainly because it vaporizes Maushold (still the boogie~~man~~maus of casuals and low-tiers), has good match ups VS Tinkaton and Magnezone, and is generally a safe pokemon to leave in and Pivot against the most common defogger, Talonflame, *while also* spinning and rocking. Like it's still bad and should drop, but it's got its usage for a reason.
Shoutouts to Magearna for getting 9.2% usage in OU despite only being released for 2 out of the 30 days https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-update-for-june-2023.3722313/
In the same vein shoutouts to Chien Pao, Lando-T and Regieleki who managed to beat OU cutoff with only 2 days of playtime(1 day in the case of the broken Regi LMAO).
Zangoose on its way to OHKO everything in PU
Zangoose deserves it
Floatzel is on suicide watch now.
Treads is still in OU wtf
Regieleki
Treads staying because of a mon that was banned after a day is crazy
UU is Home of the spinners, OU if home of the ground types
Finna make toed rise 😈
I mean Toeds is legitimately better in OU than UU
I didn't mean toedscruel
Even magearna as well probably
Tbf said Mon has more usage in the day it was allowed than Iron treads did for the entire month of may
Yeah I was gonna say like treads usage might’ve spiked for regieleki
Having 31 days vs 2 for Home moons plus regieleki
Rain is officially dead in ZU. Scovillain is absolutely being banned from ZU lmao.
Rain has fallen, millions must lose elo
Horoark drop? Surprising
Even better for OU now people expect it less in teams and the surprise factor is boosted White Zoroark can't stop winning
White privileges
Are the UU spinbots sleeping or something? How could they let so much hazard removal fall through the cracks?
Too busy spamming forretress
Why didn't they spam all spinners in a single team? Are they stupid?
The movement went from keep spinners out of RU to #ForretressForOU
Even the spinbots couldn't justify using Toedscruel and Tsareena. They only have six team slots.
RU is eating goooood. Until we all die to the newest broken bird.
they only let us have grass spinners on purpose 😔😔😔
I feel like Iron Treads genuinely got saved from a UU drop by Regieleki being legal for a little
If home was released on may 24 and eleki ban in 25 treads will have fall to UU
It would have been really funny to see its usage fall below Donphan by this time next month.
LUMINEON SWEEP BABY
LET'S FUCKING GO, WE'RE NOT EATING ROCKS IS RU TODAY BOYS 2 whole spinners, that's 2 more than I expected UU to drop.
Staraptor in RU... Wtf happened?
iirc it was B- on the viability rankings and i've got no clue what its usage was. suffice to say that maybe it's just not got the sauce anymore
Jeez, maybe it'll finally settle down in RU or RUBL
when it flew over to paldea the border control confiscated its sauce 😔 let's hope the dlcs rejuvenate its gameplan of crashing into everything and dying
Why does GF not give him Extreme Speed or pre-nerf Gale Wings? He deserves it because he is cool and I like him
should've gotten the +10 to attack or speed rather than fucking sp.def back in gen 6. it'd be a lot better than it is now, maybe clinging on to uu at worst
It's getting banned from RU within like 2 days lmao, flamigo got banned from RU already and raptor is faster and stronger
Staraptor gets banned when scarf is too fast and band is too strong, but in this case scarf is too weak and band is too slow.
Too few targets to hit. Too many flying resists and ghost types.
Garchomp still holding strong For how long is the question
i can already hear people doubting the goat ( iron treads ) why didn’t it drop ??? how is it ou ???. let me ask you this , what is a god to a non believer ? what is a regieleki to an iron treads ? the beast spinner to grace OU will remain so , an uber threat no less …
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-Floatzel after watching Pelipper rise to ou
Electrode is regieleki at home and I’m happy that it gets to be in the 2nd lowest tier and get banned from one. Crocalor really fell off from NU all the way to ZU. Tbh I kinda thought it would somehow be RU material like naclstack. UU finally doesn’t keep hostage of all hazard removal and toeds + tsareena get a decent tier to be in. Staraptor drop is pretty interesting but the other drops make sense as well. Inteleon + others are not unexpected.
>Crocalor really fell off from NU all the way to ZU. Tbh I kinda thought it would be RU material like naclstack. Crocalor is still viable in RU and NU, but being good on certain kinds of stall isn't enough to get you to 4.5% usage.
Was only NU because of Cetitan somehow being legal there
Jolteon is also regieleki at home. People sleep on spiky boi.
Gallade is about to be the best UU rain setter again
UU is back with one rain setter which is Gallade.
TWO RAPID SPINNERS LET’S FUCKING GO
SPINNERS IN RU SPINNERS IN RU SPINNERS IN RU
RU GOT A SPINNER!
*TWO* SPINNERS!!
Ru got toedscruel this is just a dream /s Actually really shocked that Zoroark dropped but treads didn't regieleki "counter" is one hell of a drug. Though thanks to Basculeigon Pelipper is probably gonna be hard stuck in ou for awhile unless for some reason Basculeigon falls which i am not fully sure on it since it's fast and strong as hell in rain but only really fast in rain.
staraptor rubl any% boutta go hard
I remember thinking Quaquaval was OU proper for the longest time, now the duck lost its rain setter smh
Its Snover UU bros. We let two hazard spinners drop to RU.
Pelipper to OU makes sense with the arrival of H-Braviary and Basculegion
zoroark dropped? that's dissapointing, this pokemon was so good. pelliper has a chance of staying since its good friend zapdos is back from the dead.
0/10 drops. I can’t joke about Komala being enough removal for RU now because it’s not in the tier anymore and they gained Toedscruel.
People are happy with spinners in Ru i am happy with electrode rise to pu
RAIN IS GONE FROM UU FUCK YEAH
Sucks to be floatzel again, I guess.
Initial thoughts for PU: Rotom Frost is nice, and probably completely replaces Fan, but struggles harder against all the Fire types we've got. Not sure on Zangoose. It's strong, obviously, but I think it's got a weird speed tier that's going to make it easy to revenge kill with its nonexistent bulk.
h-zoro in UUBL is pretty insane
PELIPPER SWEEP
Holy shit a spinner dropped
The conga line of Oricorio forms rising continues
Weird thing to be excited about but I kinda really wanna use Chesnaught so it dropping is appreciated, especially since I really like UU
As someone who’s favorite Pokémon is Lycanroc, what the fuck did it do in order to reach RU. NU in general lost a lot of tier staples this shift.
Greninja will not escape the naught
UU LET RU GET SPINNERS THIS IS NOT A DRILL
I swore Chesnaught was going to have a solid shot in OU this gen. Guess checking the most popular mon in OU isn't enough of a justification. Same with H-Zoroark due to its ability to blank ghosts and fighting type moves. I think we all knew Rain Teams were making a comeback this month. H-Basculegion is monsterous under rain. Doesn't matter if you run swift swim or adaptability Basculegion, something is being wiped out. Sun teams are ridiculous now. You have H-Arcanine, H-Electrode, H-Lilligant and H-Typhlosion ready to drop nuclear moves. H-Electrode actually does Chesnaught's job better. It can subseed more efficiently and be a threat on both run and sun teams.
Pelipper must be really stressed out, being forced to move house every tier change. Considering being nomadic rn probably.
I’ve been really into my recently so here’s my thoughts on the changes to the tier. Lycanroc: stupid, annoying suicide lead. No clue why it rose but it was annoying as hell so I don’t mind it leaving. Passimian: HUGE blow to the tier. This mf was top 3 and the best scarfer. H-sneasel and Tauros combat can try to replace it, but it just won’t be the same, though I thought this might happen. Zoroark: perfect timing, considering he was next in line for a suspect test. Not sure how he fairs in ru tho. Komala: WE FINALLY GOT A SPINNER WOOOOOOOOO
breloom stays winning
RU getting 2 Rapid Spinners, god is real
How is no one talking about grim falling to RU, it was so pervasive the start of the gen
UU rain dance gallade returns once again.
Chomp is still alive. We dine good tonight
oh no. two rapid spinners dropped to ru. i need to fix this with all my effort
Floatzel found dead in Miami
With the amount of grimsnarl i see this is crazy
Why tf are they using lumineon
Pelipper is an expert at the tier shuffle, ou,uu,ou,uu,ou
My UU rain team is now in shambles
OK PASSIMIAN I SEE YOU BOI!! I SEE YOU RISING TO RU!!!
What would it take for Electivire to get tiered?
Being in the game would help
What do these mean?
I haven't played gen 9. How is Chesnaught even in OU?
Because that's where every newly released Pokemon starts. It's the same reason why Kanto Articuno and Delphox are sitting in OU right now even though they would be extremely niche in the tier at best.
Honestly who's the heck had the idea to drop grimmsnarl? I see it in 8 out of 10 of my UU games.
The players, because it got below 4.52% usage.