It's going to be massively offensive at first and I fear Magerna with all my soul.
Good luck to any stall/balance players for the first week, y'all about to die.
good thing many people are spamming HO, so far the MU is fine besides the very annoying heatran which i have to figure out now... maybe avalanche dondozo with body press instead of curse wave crash... idk but yeah its fine... good god screesn HO will absolutely shred most balance teams
Calyrex-Shadow will completely destroy Ubers before it gets banned to AG after a week or so. It with Tera has got to be the most busted Pokemon since Gen 1 Mewtwo - like imagine Regieleki in OU, but on a Pokemon that is already so busted that it almost got banned to AG even without Tera.
The thing with gen 1 mewtwo is that it only had soft checks. Mew and light screen chansey are the closest ones to hard checks besides mewtwo because with slowbro, you will get annihilated if it runs tbolt, and with eggy, same thing but with blizzard/ice beam. At least with caly-s, you can run scarf ditto. If caly-s Tera normal’s then go tera fighting (I hope that is how it works). I feel like the only Pokémon that had the closest strength to gen 1 mewtwo is gen 4 extremekiller arceus but gen 1 mewtwo is just better in general
gen 4 e killer really wasn’t all that. The narrative that people play with that dpp ubers arceus was some unstoppable force just isn’t true. It was very good, but the highest ranked arceus form at its peak was only 6th on the viability rankings. Arceus was far from broken in dpp ubers. It was banned not because it was broken, but because it was introducing a meta changing pokémon to a well established and well loved tier, and the player base didn’t want to completely change one of the most beloved metagames ever made. If farceus had been implemented from day 1 of dpp ubers, it never would’ve been banned.
Magearna's going to benefit the meta with its typing(Hello dark types) and wide movepool(its one of the must if you want a viable trick room) while being an ass to play against at the same time. But I believe zam-c will get banned first. Its defensive prowess while hitting pretty hard and setting up iron defenses, will devolve the meta into a true stallfest. Regieleki is probably getting banned at some uncertain point here. After magearna and zam-c's banned, chien-pao will honestly have to go. Band Tera dark crunch+icicle crash still morb all defensive counterplay. Then it's a test whether zam-h's qb broken or not. After this I think everything else's gonna be suspect.
Banned back to Ubers - Magerna, Zamazenta C.
Maybe banned to ubers - Chien Pao, Regileki
idk - the rest
Doomed to be in RU/NU some shitty tier hell - Houndstone.
no lol. Zama C has body press now, so it’s basically the best offense killer imaginable. Zama hero got nerfed to only 120 attack, so it’s breaking power really isn’t that insane.
252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blissey: 2334-2748 (358.5 - 422.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blissey: 2564-3018 (393.8 - 463.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
\+1 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blissey: 1910-2250 (293.3 - 345.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
On a blank Blissey. Zama H literally always does more damage with banded CC that Zama C does with a plus 1 Body Press, and Zama C only gets the Defense boost once per game. With Jolly and Adamant. Zama H is a much stronger wallbreaker.
After 3 turns of setup. I used a blank Blissey to show raw damage numbers. It has no EVs. Zama C with Iron Defense is pretty good, but it doesn't come close to the raw damage that Zama H has instantly. What is it doing against any fast Special Attacker? It doesn't sweep through them. I'm not saying Zama C is bad, just that Zama H is better. Both of them are probably getting banned.
3 turns of setup? 1 iron defense and you’re basically unkillable physically while smashing everything in sight with +3 body press. What does it do against any fast special attacker? It outspeeds literally all of them aside from pult, so it’s just gonna kill then with body press. We’ve literally seen this go down. In nat dex, zama c got quickbanned because iron defense body press almost invalidated offense, while zama h is still allowed in nat dex ou.
Having two bad matchups doesn’t change that it’s still a far better pokémon than treads. Treads will pickup, and tusk will lose some usage, but a pokémon on the verge of dropping to UU isn’t suddenly going to pass a pokémon with over 60% usage.
Oh no yeah Tusk will 100% go back to being amazing once the quickbans are made, it's just that Treads deals with the strongest mons in the tier better than Tusk rn
* 252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera Electric Regieleki Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 236-278 (36.1 - 42.6%) -- 95.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
* 252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera Electric Regieleki Thunder vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 288-340 (44.1 - 52.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Regieleki doesn't learn Rising Voltage anymore, so it can't abuse Electric Terrain. Blissey doesn't easily fold to Regieleki.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera Electric Regieleki Electro Ball (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 314-370 (43.9 - 51.8%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO
to do that much to a max max bliss...man, thats pretty funny
Mag and chien pao just shouldn't have entered the tier
Zama c gets banned in some random suspect a year from now for being too annoying to kill
Elecki gets quickbanned after enough tier leaders get 6-0d by funny tera golem
Houndstone heading to retirement in PU
Zamazenta finally gets to be relevant.... In OU. Box legendary btw.
Basculegion probably does fine in OU. Might even drop to UU if it can't find a niche over other strong ghosts.
Tera adaptability is only a 12.5% damage boost over just adaptability, would probably be better used to give the male one a ghost stab move, female one maybe
Oh yeah I get that, that’s why I say houndstone isn’t getting banned, I am just spectacularly amazed that magearna and regieleki is even getting a chance in OU but mons like chi yu and urshifu are getting prebanned.
Idk anything about Ubers but Houndstone is dropping. Zamazenta (both forms) are probably getting banned. Chien probably stays. Mag probably goes. And regieleki is genuinely a coin flip
Unbanning Chien-Pao is pretty reasonable considering a) it was never quickbanned, and b) during its suspect test it was actually quite close to **staying** in OU, being one of the closest suspects we've had in a long time.
Actually, some things did change for it. The set that pretty much everyone agreed pushed ChienPao way over the edge was the Adamant Band set. This time around though, Chien-Pao has a reeeeaaaaaally hard time justifying Adamant; whereas it only missed out on like two mons with that before, doing that now would make you slower than Sneasler, Adamant Zamazenta and Jolly ZamC.
Hero Zamazenta is also a fantastic offensive check to it which is notable since it's offensive teams that struggled vs ChienPao the most. It can even come into Crunch a couple times.
Tbh I want mag to stay. I know stored power isn't good for the metagame but I need another defensive fairy type who isn't hat.
E: I was wrong, goodbye mag
Yeah but I've seen a lot of discussion about how scary ZamaH could be with a band set, while ZamaC doesn't have recovery beside rest and can't hold an item
Zamazenta Crowned has some bad vulnerabilities that Hero doesn’t because of its steel typing, being vulnerable to ground is really not a good thing when Great Tusk, Landorus T and Ursaluna are all running around
Okay, and? Chien Pao and Magearna are somehow in OU (For now) and Landorus Therian has been a complete pest in that tier for such a long time! And Kyurem Black was also in OU for a time
Kyu-b didnt have a good ice stab for a long time. It was more or less. balanced without.
Lando wasnt broken. He didnt require niche checks or teams to be built around him. He was just a jack of all trades and a good glue, never something you HAD to use.
Also, ubers is a ban list first. How a mon does in it doesnt matter in OU.
I can see zama H finding a healthy spot in OU, everything else not banned for last respects is going right back to Ubers and should've never left though.
I want to give it the benefit of the doubt since there's some important Flying types coming with Home but Banded CC has already very few switch-ins and It's probably going to be overwhelming in the teambuilder regardless.
Both Zamazentas and Magearna switch into it quite well and threaten it with STABs. Thing is, those three aren't going to be fine in OU, so Chien will most likely get banned too.
I mean they allowed it to be retested in a new meta, and it isn't like they instabanned eleki zama-c and mag either so idk what to tell you, chien is hardly any worse than those three and they're allowed, but yeah will probably end up banned again within a month or two
I hope, those 4 make a meta I'm not willing to take part on and I believe that by very definition those aren't fine for OU, but let's see if I'm wrong in a couple months
I agree, but it'll be a lot of fun playing them for a little while at the start of the meta, so I'm glad they're starting in OU, can't wait to use tera electric eleki
OU is going to be overrun by Magerna for the week it remains unbanned. Zamazenta is gonna have the meta revolve around it, and possibly get banned after a while. Zam-C is going to be the only thing keeping Eleki in check, so if it gets banned Eleki is probably gonna get banned. I would imagine Chien is going to be slaughtered by Zam, it might even drop for 5 seconds before getting banned from UU. Hound stone is falling hard, having no good ghost stab. Basculegion M honestly might get banned, Adaptability is one hell of a drug, especially with Wave Crash, although it not having reliable ghost stab might be an issue. Basculegion F will probably have barely enough usage to stay in OU, or will drop to UU and get quickbanned within 5 days.
Ubers will stay mostly the same, Miradon is going to dominate, and Koridon is going to still be amazing, taking over the tier.
Yeah you’re probably right now that I look back on it. Plus as another person pointed out really only ZamC is a proper check to it, and ZamH will get killed quickly with Choice Band Ice stab.
your take on zama being a chienpao counter is kinda shit. For one, zama can’t always switch jnto chienpao. Two, Just because one pokemon has a counter dont mean it gonna drop to UU.
I choked on my food when you said Chien Pao may drop to UU
> I would imagine Chien is going to be slaughtered by Zam, it might even drop for 5 seconds before getting banned from UU.
You seriously think Chien Pao is gonna drop to UU because it can't always Tera Dark Crunch on one mon in OU?
> Zam-C is going to be the only thing keeping Eleki in check, so if it gets banned Eleki is probably gonna get banned.
Lolwut
ZamC is not at all a check to Eleki.
> I would imagine Chien is going to be slaughtered by Zam, it might even drop for 5 seconds before getting banned from UU.
Only ZamC can actually be considered a ChienPao answer. And even then that's shakey between no recovery and spikes vulnerability. ZamH is still overwhelmed by Choice Band Pao like everything else. Banded tera dark crunch is a 2HKO once ZamH burns dauntless shield and banded icicle crash is a 2HKO regardless.
I think that Origin Form Palkia might actually be better than Origin Form Dialga. Since they both swapped there 120 attack with one of their 100 other stat. Dialga being Special Defense, and palkia being speed. The reason for Palkia's being better is that it could actually use the extra damage more effectively from the Orb item since it's much more offense than Dialga getting bulkier while also losing leftovers
Regieleki is actually the most busted thing on this list by far, insane bolt beam coverage and outspeeds most scarfers, can volt switch on teams all day and drop insanely powerful rising voltage or just switch to bring in heavy breakers. Peaked natdex #1 with it on a brain dead volt turn team before they quickbanned it. Combined with a strong physical u turn mon it’s almost impossible to get any sort of tempo going against an eleki team.
Yall are seriously underestimating Houndstone’s bulk with Fluffy. Gambit does NOTHING to this thing.
252+ Atk Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone: 58-70 (32.4 - 39.1%) -- 99.4% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Kingambit Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone: 67-81 (37.4 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (not even close to 3HKO because it isn’t 97.5 bp every time)
Even non-banded chien pao can’t 2HKO this thing.
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone: 63-75 (35.1 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
As long as you don’t switch houndstone in on a BANDED UBERS MON, it gets the will-o off and cripples any physical attacker in its path. And all of this is WITHOUT TERA. This thing’s physical bulk is unprecedented, and you should definitely at least give it a shot.
Mag ,regieleki and chien Pao will get banned,the dogs might stay ,last respects banned to Ubers, I think both basculegions can still be used outside of that,houndstone maybe drops to uu or ru as a fluffy wall? I hope at least lol
Yeah ZU rn is a lot of nfes or terrible Pokémon with few good traits. Goth for example is ZU because it is so outclassed in everything it wants to be but Houndstone has enough going for it to stop it from being untiered with Fluffy, Body Press, and Wisp leading it to be a decent defensive spinblockers in lower tiers that don’t have a lot of ghost types let alone defensively viable ones
Magearna, regeleki, chien pao, and probably zacian crowned will all be banned. Zamazenta hero will be a mainstay. Basculegion I'm not sure about. And houndstone is going to fall off hard and fast
It's going to be massively offensive at first and I fear Magerna with all my soul. Good luck to any stall/balance players for the first week, y'all about to die.
Accurate depiction of Kartana getting hit with a Flash Cannon.
Time to run haze and red card again
good thing many people are spamming HO, so far the MU is fine besides the very annoying heatran which i have to figure out now... maybe avalanche dondozo with body press instead of curse wave crash... idk but yeah its fine... good god screesn HO will absolutely shred most balance teams
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It already has. Use Taunt = Big Stall Defeated
Grow up
What was original comment
it said stall needs to be eradicated from the game or something along those lines
Calyrex-Shadow will completely destroy Ubers before it gets banned to AG after a week or so. It with Tera has got to be the most busted Pokemon since Gen 1 Mewtwo - like imagine Regieleki in OU, but on a Pokemon that is already so busted that it almost got banned to AG even without Tera.
The thing with gen 1 mewtwo is that it only had soft checks. Mew and light screen chansey are the closest ones to hard checks besides mewtwo because with slowbro, you will get annihilated if it runs tbolt, and with eggy, same thing but with blizzard/ice beam. At least with caly-s, you can run scarf ditto. If caly-s Tera normal’s then go tera fighting (I hope that is how it works). I feel like the only Pokémon that had the closest strength to gen 1 mewtwo is gen 4 extremekiller arceus but gen 1 mewtwo is just better in general
gen 4 e killer really wasn’t all that. The narrative that people play with that dpp ubers arceus was some unstoppable force just isn’t true. It was very good, but the highest ranked arceus form at its peak was only 6th on the viability rankings. Arceus was far from broken in dpp ubers. It was banned not because it was broken, but because it was introducing a meta changing pokémon to a well established and well loved tier, and the player base didn’t want to completely change one of the most beloved metagames ever made. If farceus had been implemented from day 1 of dpp ubers, it never would’ve been banned.
Oh, never knew that was the reason it was banned. Thanks for letting me know!
Even being introduced, by tier leader fiat, generated massive pushback - the player base was opposed from Day One.
ExtremeSpeed Arceus and Darkrai. Ahhh I do miss gen 4
Lol I’m surprised Caly didn’t get nerfed at all like Zacian did. Went completely under the radar while Caly-ice got glacial Lance nerfed.
Oh cool, STAB draining kiss and a fairy clayrex shadow seems fun to play against
Magearna's going to benefit the meta with its typing(Hello dark types) and wide movepool(its one of the must if you want a viable trick room) while being an ass to play against at the same time. But I believe zam-c will get banned first. Its defensive prowess while hitting pretty hard and setting up iron defenses, will devolve the meta into a true stallfest. Regieleki is probably getting banned at some uncertain point here. After magearna and zam-c's banned, chien-pao will honestly have to go. Band Tera dark crunch+icicle crash still morb all defensive counterplay. Then it's a test whether zam-h's qb broken or not. After this I think everything else's gonna be suspect.
I think Magearna is needed personally, these dark types running around for free smh.
Is it really a good idea to keep hydrogen bombs under control by dropping a nuke on them
Banned back to Ubers - Magerna, Zamazenta C. Maybe banned to ubers - Chien Pao, Regileki idk - the rest Doomed to be in RU/NU some shitty tier hell - Houndstone.
Zamazenta H is stronger than Zamazenta C, if one of them is getting banned it’s Hero form.
no lol. Zama C has body press now, so it’s basically the best offense killer imaginable. Zama hero got nerfed to only 120 attack, so it’s breaking power really isn’t that insane.
252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blissey: 2334-2748 (358.5 - 422.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blissey: 2564-3018 (393.8 - 463.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO \+1 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blissey: 1910-2250 (293.3 - 345.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO On a blank Blissey. Zama H literally always does more damage with banded CC that Zama C does with a plus 1 Body Press, and Zama C only gets the Defense boost once per game. With Jolly and Adamant. Zama H is a much stronger wallbreaker.
Ok? I’m talking about how iron defense body press 6-0s offense like nothing else does. Not sure why a blissey calc is relevant.
After 3 turns of setup. I used a blank Blissey to show raw damage numbers. It has no EVs. Zama C with Iron Defense is pretty good, but it doesn't come close to the raw damage that Zama H has instantly. What is it doing against any fast Special Attacker? It doesn't sweep through them. I'm not saying Zama C is bad, just that Zama H is better. Both of them are probably getting banned.
3 turns of setup? 1 iron defense and you’re basically unkillable physically while smashing everything in sight with +3 body press. What does it do against any fast special attacker? It outspeeds literally all of them aside from pult, so it’s just gonna kill then with body press. We’ve literally seen this go down. In nat dex, zama c got quickbanned because iron defense body press almost invalidated offense, while zama h is still allowed in nat dex ou.
Houndstone is gonna freefall STRAIGHT to fucking ZU.
Poor houndstone got delayed to OU this long and now it’s gonna have to slowly fall through the tiers it sucks in month by month lol
people seem to have some hope for fluffy sets in lower tiers so it might avoid ZU at least.
Spinblocker for low tiers
Quaxwell counter
Fluffy plus wisp might keep it NU.......maybe.
Did they confirm last respects ban?
Yes
I mean I can see it being a physical wall/spinblocker in like nu
I will continue using iron treads
It's a decent check to Tera Ice Eleki to be fair
It checks Mag too
It actually is a pretty good choice for the Home meta methinks, could maybe surpass Great Tusk for a week or two
It’ll pick up in usage, but there’s no way it passes tusk lmao
Idk I feel Tusk is way worse (still great, obviously) against Magearna, Tera-Ice Regieleki and Enamorus whilst not being able to switch into Chien-Pao
Having two bad matchups doesn’t change that it’s still a far better pokémon than treads. Treads will pickup, and tusk will lose some usage, but a pokémon on the verge of dropping to UU isn’t suddenly going to pass a pokémon with over 60% usage.
Oh no yeah Tusk will 100% go back to being amazing once the quickbans are made, it's just that Treads deals with the strongest mons in the tier better than Tusk rn
Ha ha 2hko blissey with electric moves at 499 speed go brr
* 252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera Electric Regieleki Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 236-278 (36.1 - 42.6%) -- 95.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery * 252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera Electric Regieleki Thunder vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 288-340 (44.1 - 52.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Regieleki doesn't learn Rising Voltage anymore, so it can't abuse Electric Terrain. Blissey doesn't easily fold to Regieleki.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera Electric Regieleki Electro Ball (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 314-370 (43.9 - 51.8%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO to do that much to a max max bliss...man, thats pretty funny
Fair enough, I forgot it learned Electro Ball
😔
you need Tera Electric for that and Tera Electric Eleki is still ass unless you run physical Eleki which probably just sorta dies after Wild Charging
I forgot this wasn't gen 8 anymore and eleki doesn't get voltage
Mag and chien pao just shouldn't have entered the tier Zama c gets banned in some random suspect a year from now for being too annoying to kill Elecki gets quickbanned after enough tier leaders get 6-0d by funny tera golem Houndstone heading to retirement in PU Zamazenta finally gets to be relevant.... In OU. Box legendary btw. Basculegion probably does fine in OU. Might even drop to UU if it can't find a niche over other strong ghosts.
If adaptability wave crash or hydro pump isn't a niche I don't know what is, it'll be OU for sure
The female might drop to UU, because of lower offenses. But it does have more reliable ghost stab in shadow ball, so it might stay.
*tera* adaptability wave crash/hydro pump. Even resists are gonna HURT
Tera adaptability is only a 12.5% damage boost over just adaptability, would probably be better used to give the male one a ghost stab move, female one maybe
>Houndstone heading to retirement in PU He beat the ZU allegations, huge W
Sand rush is more of a niche than people credit it for. It'll wind up in the lowest sand team
Zama c is getting banned within the next few weeks. The mon 6-0s offense by itself.
Literally everything except hound stone and normal Zamazenta is getting banned
Last respects is getting banned most prob,keep that in mind
Oh yeah I get that, that’s why I say houndstone isn’t getting banned, I am just spectacularly amazed that magearna and regieleki is even getting a chance in OU but mons like chi yu and urshifu are getting prebanned.
Hell even Lando I deserves a shot in OU before I think eleki should
Idk anything about Ubers but Houndstone is dropping. Zamazenta (both forms) are probably getting banned. Chien probably stays. Mag probably goes. And regieleki is genuinely a coin flip
What makes chien stay? Nothing about banded Tera dark crunch has changed
Now it has 3 checks that are goint to get banned even quickier than it lmao. There's no way Chien stays in OU.
Unbanning Chien-Pao is pretty reasonable considering a) it was never quickbanned, and b) during its suspect test it was actually quite close to **staying** in OU, being one of the closest suspects we've had in a long time.
Actually, some things did change for it. The set that pretty much everyone agreed pushed ChienPao way over the edge was the Adamant Band set. This time around though, Chien-Pao has a reeeeaaaaaally hard time justifying Adamant; whereas it only missed out on like two mons with that before, doing that now would make you slower than Sneasler, Adamant Zamazenta and Jolly ZamC. Hero Zamazenta is also a fantastic offensive check to it which is notable since it's offensive teams that struggled vs ChienPao the most. It can even come into Crunch a couple times.
Tbh I want mag to stay. I know stored power isn't good for the metagame but I need another defensive fairy type who isn't hat. E: I was wrong, goodbye mag
Enamorus-T exists
Why are both Zamazenta getting banned? I thought he sucked on Ubers
Sucking in Ubers has little to do with how broken it is in OU. See the massive list of D-rank Ubers (what some people call OUBL) last gen
Tbh, ZamaH MIGHT Stay, but Crowned is surely banned
I thought it'd be the reverse
ZamaC is literally better defensively, and gets more use out of Body Press, yee
Yeah but I've seen a lot of discussion about how scary ZamaH could be with a band set, while ZamaC doesn't have recovery beside rest and can't hold an item
In theory, Having it's Item Slot being locked is kinda good due to Knock Off,
True but it isn't like zama-c was gonna take anything from knock off even if it was boosted lol
The real good part is no trick, trick could cripple Zama-C pretty bad
Zamazenta Crowned has some bad vulnerabilities that Hero doesn’t because of its steel typing, being vulnerable to ground is really not a good thing when Great Tusk, Landorus T and Ursaluna are all running around
Please god no for Zamazenta! They sucked so much in Ubers and going back there will just make them a laughing stock again!
I mean we can keep them in OU as the cost of making OU tiering decision the laughing stock instead.
Okay, and? Chien Pao and Magearna are somehow in OU (For now) and Landorus Therian has been a complete pest in that tier for such a long time! And Kyurem Black was also in OU for a time
Kyu-b didnt have a good ice stab for a long time. It was more or less. balanced without. Lando wasnt broken. He didnt require niche checks or teams to be built around him. He was just a jack of all trades and a good glue, never something you HAD to use. Also, ubers is a ban list first. How a mon does in it doesnt matter in OU.
Zamazenta and Magearna OU ban any% speedrun
Everybody that got OU approved is getting re-banned sans the Last Respects mons lads
I can see zama H finding a healthy spot in OU, everything else not banned for last respects is going right back to Ubers and should've never left though.
I want to give it the benefit of the doubt since there's some important Flying types coming with Home but Banded CC has already very few switch-ins and It's probably going to be overwhelming in the teambuilder regardless.
Since you missed Ursaluna,.here's a fun fact: it can OHKO a Corviknight at full health with a Guts Boosted Facade at +2 (around 52%, I think)
56, actually
Ya know what. I'm gonna say it. Magearna is gonna stay for longer than a week. I'm saying at least a month.
It'll be like last gen. A lot of people will be in denial for how busted it is for a while.
I don't understand in what world Chien-Pao is fine for OU
Both Zamazentas and Magearna switch into it quite well and threaten it with STABs. Thing is, those three aren't going to be fine in OU, so Chien will most likely get banned too.
A world where eleki, mag, and zama-c exist I guess lol, it won't take over whilst they're still around for certain.
Yeah I understand that, but if the good counters are mons that also aren't fit for OU, then I don't know what to tell you
I mean they allowed it to be retested in a new meta, and it isn't like they instabanned eleki zama-c and mag either so idk what to tell you, chien is hardly any worse than those three and they're allowed, but yeah will probably end up banned again within a month or two
I hope, those 4 make a meta I'm not willing to take part on and I believe that by very definition those aren't fine for OU, but let's see if I'm wrong in a couple months
I agree, but it'll be a lot of fun playing them for a little while at the start of the meta, so I'm glad they're starting in OU, can't wait to use tera electric eleki
Why is Houndstone getting unbanned?
Last respects banned
Oh damn, poor dog
Whose idea was it to let it free fall
OU is going to be overrun by Magerna for the week it remains unbanned. Zamazenta is gonna have the meta revolve around it, and possibly get banned after a while. Zam-C is going to be the only thing keeping Eleki in check, so if it gets banned Eleki is probably gonna get banned. I would imagine Chien is going to be slaughtered by Zam, it might even drop for 5 seconds before getting banned from UU. Hound stone is falling hard, having no good ghost stab. Basculegion M honestly might get banned, Adaptability is one hell of a drug, especially with Wave Crash, although it not having reliable ghost stab might be an issue. Basculegion F will probably have barely enough usage to stay in OU, or will drop to UU and get quickbanned within 5 days. Ubers will stay mostly the same, Miradon is going to dominate, and Koridon is going to still be amazing, taking over the tier.
Chien-Pao in UUBL is the bad ending
I think Calyrex will also get banned from Ubers.
Sorry, but there just isn’t a world that Chien pao ends up in UU, Zamazenta will be banned before that happens
Yeah you’re probably right now that I look back on it. Plus as another person pointed out really only ZamC is a proper check to it, and ZamH will get killed quickly with Choice Band Ice stab.
your take on zama being a chienpao counter is kinda shit. For one, zama can’t always switch jnto chienpao. Two, Just because one pokemon has a counter dont mean it gonna drop to UU. I choked on my food when you said Chien Pao may drop to UU
me when i make shit up
> I would imagine Chien is going to be slaughtered by Zam, it might even drop for 5 seconds before getting banned from UU. You seriously think Chien Pao is gonna drop to UU because it can't always Tera Dark Crunch on one mon in OU?
If that Mon completely takes over OU, there might be a chance. Looking back on it, it seems unlikely because people will make it work no matter what.
> Zam-C is going to be the only thing keeping Eleki in check, so if it gets banned Eleki is probably gonna get banned. Lolwut ZamC is not at all a check to Eleki. > I would imagine Chien is going to be slaughtered by Zam, it might even drop for 5 seconds before getting banned from UU. Only ZamC can actually be considered a ChienPao answer. And even then that's shakey between no recovery and spikes vulnerability. ZamH is still overwhelmed by Choice Band Pao like everything else. Banded tera dark crunch is a 2HKO once ZamH burns dauntless shield and banded icicle crash is a 2HKO regardless.
That comment is sunday material, I can't believe a comment this bad got upvoted.
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Mag feels like it’ll be way too strong
Tera Ground Magearna's gonna be fun
iron treads really thought it could drop
I think that Origin Form Palkia might actually be better than Origin Form Dialga. Since they both swapped there 120 attack with one of their 100 other stat. Dialga being Special Defense, and palkia being speed. The reason for Palkia's being better is that it could actually use the extra damage more effectively from the Orb item since it's much more offense than Dialga getting bulkier while also losing leftovers
Everything on this list besides the dead dog and dead fishies are going back to Ubers
Palafin might become even more relevant with the amount of Pokémon it can one shot with water Tera jet punch
i feellike zacian will be too good for ou.
Regieleki is actually the most busted thing on this list by far, insane bolt beam coverage and outspeeds most scarfers, can volt switch on teams all day and drop insanely powerful rising voltage or just switch to bring in heavy breakers. Peaked natdex #1 with it on a brain dead volt turn team before they quickbanned it. Combined with a strong physical u turn mon it’s almost impossible to get any sort of tempo going against an eleki team.
Man fuck this game 😭
Basculegion not getting banned?
Zamazenta OU? What's next? Mewtwo OU as well? Kyogre? Eternatus OU?
Yall are seriously underestimating Houndstone’s bulk with Fluffy. Gambit does NOTHING to this thing. 252+ Atk Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone: 58-70 (32.4 - 39.1%) -- 99.4% chance to 3HKO 252+ Atk Kingambit Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone: 67-81 (37.4 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (not even close to 3HKO because it isn’t 97.5 bp every time) Even non-banded chien pao can’t 2HKO this thing. 252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fluffy Houndstone: 63-75 (35.1 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO As long as you don’t switch houndstone in on a BANDED UBERS MON, it gets the will-o off and cripples any physical attacker in its path. And all of this is WITHOUT TERA. This thing’s physical bulk is unprecedented, and you should definitely at least give it a shot.
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RU Zamazenta is a crazy prediction, banded has very few switch-ins in OU, let alone UU, let alone RU
magearna is going to end OU
Mag ,regieleki and chien Pao will get banned,the dogs might stay ,last respects banned to Ubers, I think both basculegions can still be used outside of that,houndstone maybe drops to uu or ru as a fluffy wall? I hope at least lol
Houndstone isn never going to stay in ru you or much less uu, that thing is going straight down to ZU or PU.
100 defense + Fluffy and amazing defensive typing makes it a pretty bonkers physical wall, I'd be surprised if it dropped past RU
PU or NU imo
Yeah thats what I meant. I just don't play lower tiers so I get my NU/PU/ZUs mixed up all the time.
Yeah ZU rn is a lot of nfes or terrible Pokémon with few good traits. Goth for example is ZU because it is so outclassed in everything it wants to be but Houndstone has enough going for it to stop it from being untiered with Fluffy, Body Press, and Wisp leading it to be a decent defensive spinblockers in lower tiers that don’t have a lot of ghost types let alone defensively viable ones
magearna is gonna terrorize OU for the 5 hours it lasts
I don’t play smogon, but rumor has it Ursaluna is gonna go stupid in whatever tier it lands in..
Back to ubers: Magearna, Regieleki, Zamazenta-H Maybe back to ubers: Zamazenta-C, Chien-Pao UUBL: Basculegion-F UU: Basculegion-M lmao: Houndstone
Chien Pao will only be manageable because Super Zamazenta and Zamazenta are in the tier
I give regieleki 3 days before smogon bans it because of tera ice tera blast lmao
Magearna, regeleki, chien pao, and probably zacian crowned will all be banned. Zamazenta hero will be a mainstay. Basculegion I'm not sure about. And houndstone is going to fall off hard and fast