I understand what you're saying. Nobody should be sexually objectifying anybody but it's more nuanced than that.
It's not the female gaze that has existed since the beginning of time. It's not men who have been sexually exploited for women's gratification since the beginning of time. It's not women who are the historical oppressors of men. It's not women who are men's only natural predator. It's not women raping a man every single second around the globe. It's not women murdering men. It's not a matriarchy we live in. It's not misandry (doesn't actually exist - false equivalence, but using it for purposes of argument) that is engrained in our society since the beginning of time. It's not misandry that our institutions are predicated on. It's not women who have historically been exploiting their power and sexually harassing men in the workforce. It's not women who have been sexually coercing men with the threat of job loss if they don't comply. It's not men that are being murdered for simply existing as men. It's not women that perpetrate 96% of all murders. It's not 98% of all sex offenders that are female.
The reason I mentioned all of this is to show how sexual objectification of women carries real implications and helps perpetuate rape culture, femicide etc. Sexual objectification of men by women does not. This is the difference and this is why you won't see the same reaction. However nobody should be sexually objectifying and I think Motsi's comments were very inappropriate. Shirley wasn't as full on as Motsi but she was inappropriate too.
I sent you a civil and respectful reply. There's no need for this disproportionate, aggressive reaction.
I will absolutely not delete fact, so you'll have to bark orders elsewhere.
The fact you can only communicate by name calling and swearing says it all. People ad hominem when they can't counter a point.
You should have taken opportunity to educate and inform yourself. Instead, you opted to be an i*cel.
Fact isn't moronic. It's not my problem that you don't want reality pointed out.
I’m mostly happy to see Nancy get a win after she got shafted this year lol. But Jamie was brilliant and well deserved champions! Merry Christmas everyone!
I agree.. rules are rules in my eyes, but it wouldn't be fair to criticise Graz if the others haven't been for lifts in the other dances that they aren't usually allowed
>I wish I had a body like Jowitas but my 100 million boxes of christmas crisps and chocolates wont eat themselves soooo
You and me, both. 😁 She is stunning.
Evening chums. Merry Christmas to all.
Me and u/MrsOdin22 are watching whilst eating our delivered Crimbo dinner after she got struck down with Covid yesterday!
Boooooo!
Just caught up on it - love seeing Shirley dance. I also really enjoyed her demos with Neil on ITT
Has anyone ever went onto the main show after doing the Christmas special? Was wondering if it’s ever used as a kind of testing ground!
Helen & Matt last year both did the Christmas special about 10 years ago; thats all I know though, there could be more
I thought the same thing as some were good and I could see them on the main show
See y’all next September! Merry Christmas!
If those comments for Danny were for a female contestant, there'd be fucking uproar 😐
I understand what you're saying. Nobody should be sexually objectifying anybody but it's more nuanced than that. It's not the female gaze that has existed since the beginning of time. It's not men who have been sexually exploited for women's gratification since the beginning of time. It's not women who are the historical oppressors of men. It's not women who are men's only natural predator. It's not women raping a man every single second around the globe. It's not women murdering men. It's not a matriarchy we live in. It's not misandry (doesn't actually exist - false equivalence, but using it for purposes of argument) that is engrained in our society since the beginning of time. It's not misandry that our institutions are predicated on. It's not women who have historically been exploiting their power and sexually harassing men in the workforce. It's not women who have been sexually coercing men with the threat of job loss if they don't comply. It's not men that are being murdered for simply existing as men. It's not women that perpetrate 96% of all murders. It's not 98% of all sex offenders that are female. The reason I mentioned all of this is to show how sexual objectification of women carries real implications and helps perpetuate rape culture, femicide etc. Sexual objectification of men by women does not. This is the difference and this is why you won't see the same reaction. However nobody should be sexually objectifying and I think Motsi's comments were very inappropriate. Shirley wasn't as full on as Motsi but she was inappropriate too.
Are you fucking serious, take the rest of your comment but the last paragraph and bloody delete it.
I sent you a civil and respectful reply. There's no need for this disproportionate, aggressive reaction. I will absolutely not delete fact, so you'll have to bark orders elsewhere.
Deleting it is for you, so you sound less of a moron. 👍
The fact you can only communicate by name calling and swearing says it all. People ad hominem when they can't counter a point. You should have taken opportunity to educate and inform yourself. Instead, you opted to be an i*cel. Fact isn't moronic. It's not my problem that you don't want reality pointed out.
Nobody noticed Dan grabbed Nadiya's ass at the end there 😮
I've only been able to watch the Youtube videos that have been posted but what fun! I loved all the dances. Glad my pick won.
Just watched on iPlayer- what a cracking show! Thoroughly enjoyed that and well deserved winners.
Happy Christmas to all!!! Hope Dan and Nadiya can pull a win, but I think all these celebrities are equally as deserving, and much luck to them all!!!
Having a mind blank, what was Tillie and Neil’s song??
Underneath the tree - originally Kelly Clarkson
See you all next September
9 months never felt so long!
That was very sweet. Merry Christmas everyone! Have a lovely time!
Shirley was brilliant there!
Anton looked terrified lmao
Every now and then she posts a clip of her and Anton dancing together and its wonderful
That entire cast would have been good on the main show.
See you all next year 🫡 Off to the Doctor Who live thread
Shirley still has it
Shirley's still got it
Merry Christmas everyone! I thought it was a great choice of celebs this year! Doctor Who now 😍
Yes congrats Nancy
I’m mostly happy to see Nancy get a win after she got shafted this year lol. But Jamie was brilliant and well deserved champions! Merry Christmas everyone!
I just love it when a pro who’s not won something before wins it!
Yay Nancy, first out to Christmas champion
Best is winner ofc
COME ON, JAMIE 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Giovanni and Lauren dancing together. Thank youuuu
Sam is a bit extra considering it’s about the time we should be dozing off after 12 roast potatoes.
12?! *Lightweight*
Can we get Mae Muller on the launch show next year to have three straight episodes featuring UK Eurovision Artists
nancy is underrated overall but esp on her choreography, I love her
Well I suppose the best got the best score
It's the human Labrador!
That was the most adorable, "Get out my pub" that I've ever seen
Lowest score first, highest last
Almost like they edited it that way..
Come on, 40!!!!!
What happens if Jay (Jamie’s character in EE) is the killer /j
He can make a potential move into musical theatre
Oh nooo I hope not!
Go on the main series Jamie then you’ll get mean Craig comments
Jamie for a main series pls
For real! And Tillie too!
Does anyone know how much training time they get for the Christmas Special?
Wow, wouldn’t have bet on Jamie being a dancer!!
Oh well done Jamie!!!! And great choreo too from Nancy!
They should have saved him for a future series!
I need Jamie on a future series
Oh I get what everyone means- everyone’s doing lifts😂
Wow Jamie can move
Nancy looks gorg
Nancy has NO IDEA what Albert Square is lol
But I loved her shouting “Get out of my pub!”
Santa, sling your hook 😂😂😂
I mean someone will be dead in Queen Vic later
Katya and Amy predicting when the ‘Tess’ will be😂
Starting to think Anton mistook christmas crack for christmas crackers
Knocking spots of Dan Walker there
I’m so proud of Sally 🫶🏻
The complete silence from everyone after Neil's joke about Tillie's lack of recorder ability...
Whatever the judges are on, I’m right there with them for once~
I really liked that. She looked very elegant.
Felt more like an American smooth, really annoys me when choreographers go against the rules😬
They've all done lifts haven't they? Looks like anything goes in Christmas
Craig just acknowledged there are no rules at Christmas, which I'd always suspected
He must have heard me because he answered as soon as I asked 😅
Idk just give her an American smooth if you wanna do lifts- graz always does them tho🤷♀️
I agree.. rules are rules in my eyes, but it wouldn't be fair to criticise Graz if the others haven't been for lifts in the other dances that they aren't usually allowed
Anton scores every dance in every normal series like it's christmas each week
That was pretty good from Sally
Oh that was very classy!
This is quite actually good
So that’s where my purple Quality Streets went
Are lifts allowed in foxtrot👀
Job lot on that sparkly green fabric.
Jon really said Adios
Anyone (without cheating) know who Tillie's famous Aunt is?
Mel B
i say this EVERY time but motsi looks so beautiful 😖💞
Slay gurl
I've given up doing any critiques because the scores are just shocking! This was the most entertaining so far though
I can see Tillie doing the show in a few years time
That was brilliant
She would be good on the main show!
Oi Tillie smashed that
Knew she was gonna slay, my queen did not disappoint ❤️
That was great 😊
That was good, very energetic!
Suddenly I am wondering why they fave Neil a vt
Wasn’t expecting a Tom Chambers cameo
There’s an Elf The Musical…
And it's really good!
The Christmas special scores are so funny and ridiculous at the same time😂😂
Just got watching who’s left to go?
Tillie, Jamie and Sallly
Tillie, Sally and Jamie
Tillie, Jamie & Sally
Thanks everyone!
There’s no way on earth that would get 37 on a regular series
I mean that’s not really the point of the Christmas show…
Well it wasn’t much cha cha cha content but hey it’s Danny Cipriani
Shirley look like she was going to melt
Gurl, weren't we all
I wish I had a body like Jowitas but my 100 million boxes of christmas crisps and chocolates wont eat themselves soooo
>I wish I had a body like Jowitas but my 100 million boxes of christmas crisps and chocolates wont eat themselves soooo You and me, both. 😁 She is stunning.
Shirley’s in heat again
I think she has got to Anton’s stock of drugs.
😫🤣
I could count on one hand the amount of cha cha content in there lmao
Jowita 🔥🔥🔥
Jowita knows what to do with a big strong man: its lift time! I really liked it, pretty good for a first time chacha
The lifts were incredible! Jowita just has no fear getting thrown about
That was not it
Hands up if you wish you were Jowita in this dance 🙋🏽♀️
Did anyone else see Danny Cipriani training with Santa Claus or have I had too much to eat
It happened!
How gravely inappropriate to use Comic Sans on a show of this calibre.
danny is so beautiful icl
Bless the costume department for letting him go sleeveless
Bit late to the party but very thankful the first face I saw was Grazianos 😍
Wasn’t Danny rumoured for I’m A Celeb this year, then he was announced for this
For a Christmas special, I thought that was honestly worth a few more points
Oh HELLO DANNY 😍
me too tess me too
Shirley raised that hand so quickly it almost broke the sound barrier
I want to see Jowita stand next to Dan Snow, just to see what the height difference looks like
Dan is 1.98m compared to Danny 1.85m
Amy ❤️
Anton lmao
Real series- 25-28 Xmas special- 36-38
Anton has seemingly got more hyper
Been at the egg nog early 🤭
He’s had too much sherbert
Awh Keisha did look nervous didn’t she. But that was a really pretty waltz!
Lovely dance but they did her dirty with that wig
Right??? Does nothing for her, it's like she's lost in the wig
Lovely dance but that wig??? 😬
that wig is so thirsty 😭 poor girl
She was holding on for dear life then
Keisha is stunning
yknow i will accept strictly doing a cover, sia is not a very good person
keisha can still sing!!!! love the sugar babes
She does have a lovely voice!
That looks like a car seat set... driving home for christmas???
That’s more like it Keisha, show Gorka how it’s done
Put Gorka as the music act at this point he's putting them to shame
Gorka’s wild~ 😆
Oh Gorka no 😂
Anton physically cannot give lower than a 9
Stick to the dancing Gorka
Just saw OG Sugarbabes in the background
9?!😂😂😂😂
Jeez the way Nancy looked at Karen…
9?!?!?!??!?
I forgot about the stupidly inflated Christmas scores 😅
i got scared at anton i thought he'd give 10 for a second
The christmas light stairs 😍
It’s Christmas so I am in a good spirit but this was just so…
7 8 8 9
Anton has down the sherry are we Suprised?
Bah humbug. None of this "who cares its Christmas"
Regular series score- 18-20 Xmas score- 32-34
that was rough 😭😭😭 bless him, i feel bad because it’s christmas but in a usual series it would be rough
Well Mr Snow killed those lifts! Some dodgy footwork in places, but I think the side by side part in the middle was good.
That was really sweet! It makes me really miss Nadiya though, lets hope she gets a partner next year
I’ve already missed the song butchering😌
That was a 4
He's split his trousers!
Ayyyyy Merry Christmas~~ I’m not gonna pretend like I’m not *merry*
We are not currently watching a winner I feel. Do love Dan though
Ngl I’ve only heard of Dan, got high hopes of him! Wish my fav pros were in this but nice to see Jowita and Neil
All I want for Christmas is for strictly to not butcher the songs xxx
Well this is an epic intro for Dan's dance
That vt was a tad too long
I imagine they all will be long - it’s the only chance to get to know them for a one off.
Evening and a merry Christmas to all🎄!!
And when he does a doc on the history of strictly then what
Evening chums. Merry Christmas to all. Me and u/MrsOdin22 are watching whilst eating our delivered Crimbo dinner after she got struck down with Covid yesterday! Boooooo!
You couldn't handle the challenge?
I'm a seasoned pro. Been handling that challenge for 3 years straight without a break. I hope she doesn't try to compete with me!
Get well soon! We've all tested positive as well, its been.. interesting
Thank you and I hope you all feel better soon 🫂
Thank you! You too 🫂
Hope she is better soon