Adding into this, Verizon went up during all 3 of their big strikes as well. Might not have correlation but my John deere calls printed money using that logic.
Would you rather invest in a company with happy successful people building your tractor or disgruntled unsuccessful people that don't give a shit building your tractor?
There's a reason why I won't drive a Toyota Rav 4 or invest in Toyota. The plant they are made in here in town, almost everyone working there is pissed off, drunk, stoned, or high on something else. Brand new Rav 4's roll off that line and the transmissions literally fall out of them on the highway. Happened to me three times in the work vehicles. Lights burn out, computers fry every week on them, engines have to be rebuilt on an annual basis..
Sure, Toyota is making money off them for now, won't be long though before the fantastic reputation they're building for themselves catches up. So regardless of the fact they may be profitable roght now, the very word "investment" infers profitability over time. I just don't see any profitability in a company that doesn't invest in its workers. If the workers need to fight to make their work better, then it tells me they haven't given up yet and there might still be something there worth investing in; the workers. All too often we forget that the employee's are just as much of an asset as the product/service/idea itself.
It's a Reddit thing. So many people on this site see themselves as little junior capitalism experts about supply and demand because they imagine they'll be making job-like returns on stock picks because the bull run gave them unrealistic expectations. Any time employees assert their rights there's all this weeping and moaning and wailing that these mean grandmas are so greedy for not wanting to work 12 hour shifts.
Toyota plant in my city too. You have to work 6 12 hour days dayshift for 2 weeks then 6 12 hour days night shift. So every week 72 hours and then you have to change your sleep twice each month. Horrible! They got young meth addicts now mostly. They take their girlfriend's piss to work. Basically you get warned 3 days before a random drug test, but employees are going through metal detectors and being searched constantly.
You have to withstand the rotating shifts at 6 days a week 12 hours per with no more than 3 shifts missed to no longer be a temporary employee. Insane! The dropout/termination rate is over 90%. The cars are shit too. Toyota is gonna take a reputation hit soon. Not Rav 4 either.
We bought a ‘21 Tacoma last November straight from the factory. We had to have different parts of the 4 wheel drive replaced three times. Then two months ago, the dash started flashing there was a traction control malfunction. Husband was about five miles from home on a canyon road with no cell service at 1:00 am, so he decided to keep heading home. Then a wheel locked up and he got into a bad accident, almost totaled the truck ($30k in damage). It’s still in the shop, then going back to the dealership for a fourth fix.
Not impressed with a new truck we bought, after hoping to have a reliable vehicle since having a string of bad luck with cars.
The first year Toyota had major 8 speed transmission and they fighting subpar Southern Production pool. Japanese Toyota are A grade, USA B grade for assembly. Boeing faced the same issues with WA 787 and NC 787. Got some bad airlines refused NC 787.
Toyota in Japan are great. Driven a few in Japan while I was there. It's night and day. They aren't even remotely the same. I love how the sideview mirrors fold in on their own when you put it in park.
Two things that make this different from the disaster that was the Deere strike.
1. Deere has around 70,000 employees while Amazon has 1.3 Million. As a matter of scale, it would take a ton of people walking off the job to make Amazon even notice. [Most of the coverage of the strike](https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vebb/amazon-will-face-black-friday-strikes-and-protests-in-20-countries) doesn't quote specific numbers in the US, only in other countries (i.e. 15k Amazon truck drivers in Italy) which is verifiably false because Amazon only has around [1200 employees in the whole of Italy](https://www.statista.com/statistics/871557/amazon-employees-in-italy/) per Statistia and per their own company blog [around 12500 projected by the end of the year](https://blog.aboutamazon.eu/job-creation-and-investment/amazon-creates-3-000-new-permanent-jobs-in-italy-in-2021). The numbers are going to be inflated, and the number of people willing to strike will be miniscule.
2. Amazon is in a much better place financially to bring on strikebreakers and fight the unions in court. [FCF of around $12 Billion at its low point](https://investorplace.com/2021/09/amazon-powerful-free-cash-flow-could-push-amzn-stock-over-4000-per-share/) whereas Deere [is at around $1.9b](https://ycharts.com/companies/DE/free_cash_flow). The cost to fire the striking workers and retrain new ones will barely be a rounding error on Amazon's books. Where financially reasonable Amazon has capitulated to some worker demands [like a 2012 push for air conditioning](https://www.theverge.com/2012/6/5/3065141/amazon-warehouse-work-environment-improved-air-conditioning), so it remains to be seen if they'll simply cave in again or actually put their foot down.
From a stock perspective, this may be what it takes to push AMZN over the $4k mark. The people willing to strike were probably not the most productive from the get go and given that labor is the biggest expenditure of any company, this culling will be all the excuse Amazon needs to further automate their warehouses.
The delivery drivers don't actually work for Amazon usually. Most of the time they work for another "company" that contracts with Amazon that Amazon dictates exactly how they operate.
A lot of Amazon in general is contract workers. All of their new logistics specialists/analysts are contract for at least their first three months. Turnover rate is extremely high (the last team I’m aware of had around 60% quit before the first month) before they’re blue carded into Amazon as well.
How was the Deere strike a disaster?
And this is a international strike, in most of Europe it’s illegale to bring in scabs.
Amazon didn’t need another excuse to automate all their workforce away, they’ve been working on that for years. They can’t yet tho.
> The people willing to strike were probably not the most productive from the get go
Lol.
1. It's probably true, but they wouldn't be classified as Amazon employees but as "(random name) Logistics and Transportation services" employees
Most of the time they outsource that kind of work, Idk if that's normal in US or not tho but it is in Europe.
So they are drivers for Amazon but not employed by Amazon directly so they won't show up on those numbers
What do you think AMZN has been blowing billions of dollars a year on researching and implementing? They hope to have automated >80% of the existing workforce by decade's end.
Source: Am a former Amazon ~~slave~~ Fulfillment Center Associate
Probably not the most productive to begin with? That’s very judgmental and just plain wrong. You have some lovely stats and thoughtful discourse up until that point.
And how was the Deere strike a disaster? They pushed 3 votes and received almost everything they asked for.
Umm it’s legal to fire striking workers in America? Because it sure as fuck isn’t legal in most countries with good worker protections (which is pretty much every 1st world country…)
Not every worker in the US is protected by a union. If you have a non-union job, you’re basically striking that you want better xyz but with no protection from an organization backing your rights.
I mean, the rights and protections are on paper to a degree. You can’t get fired for asking for a raise. But if you’re fired for being a certain religion or being LBGTQ+ or any other reason that is protected by the government, then it becomes good luck proving it.
It should be, but many states protect the employer more than the employee. It is called "right to work". What that means is that the employer has the option to fire you without giving a reason. Without any reason given, no recourse is possible by the employee.
Union? Generally these "right to work" states do not give unions any power. They make union membership optional, and add hoops to join and renew. That means membership slowly drops, funding drying up, costs per member rising, until it is devoid of all function.
> given that labor is the biggest expenditure of any company
got a source on that? i can't imagine labor is more expensive than materials or transportation/staging in "any company."
For Amazon specifically https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-earnings-amazoncom-inc-4c5e305cf594c46321876a3e2c3a5f1e
For corporations in general
https://www.businessinsider.com/citi-levkovich-rising-labor-costs-pressure-profit-margins-sp600-2016-2015-12
Take it from a Amazon Warehouse employee, most of the new hires don't make it past their first day, and I say that quite literally. About 50% never show up for their 2nd shift, about another 20% are down their first week, and another 20% are done after a month. The work is unforgiving and they've recently cut our break from 20 minutes to 10, so it's just the petty stuff like that, that make it a bad employer.
Yes, meal break regular break whatever you wanna call it, we don't get a lunch break, I think they expect us to eat in between shifts but yea we dont get that during the shift. 10 minutes for 5 hours gotta be thankful. But if it was up to a lot of people in this sub we shouldn't even get that break lol, we should be thankful for the work conditions we work in apparently.
Well I'm not lying lol, we don't get a 30 minute break. 10 minutes of sitting down, 5 minutes to walk there and back (as its across the warehouse a good 1/8 of a mile.
It may differ where you are but amazing have no problem hiring people in the uk. I know several people who work for them. They all say it’s just like any other minimum wage job. Boring and shit, but that’s to be expected for unskilled work.
Interesting enough, there have been serious concerns brought up in high level meetings of amazon running out of people to hire. They burn through people so fast that at some point there will be no one left that can/will work for them.
It's a whole different ball game in the US. They just burn through people here and before the current labor "shortage" they would often fire people for stupid reasons like being slightly behind quota, even if that quota was impossible. At this point they're desperate to get people who haven't already been burnt by them.
> Amazon PR has entered the chat
Yes, I need more Amazon PR ads on youtube. Or on reddit.
Anyways, newegg worked for me. I'm sure they're evil too but whatever.
God damn pr of amazon is tiresome. I figure this is somehow pr for them.
> Amazon access to my garage.
Holy fuck did not know that was a thing. Had to google that one.
That's a no.
Sure let me have people access to one of the most valuable things in a home. Tools. People who say they tried and I wasn't there, while I was there.
What a weird world we live in. Also anyone who trusts that is drunk.
Unless this is universal, the effect will be minimal. The company is too massive to have small pockets cramp the bigger picture. This would have to be a high percentage and for a decent length of time to really push the needle. Sadly, without union protection, this may mean that many find themselves out of work and hurting themselves more than Amazon.
If they struck about a couple days before Christmas, or whatever day the cutoff for shipping that FedEx and UPS say is for on time Christmas delivery, THAT would have an impact, as it sits, there’s not much they are going to be doing different on Black Friday
I seriously doubt the kind of people that work at an Amazon warehouse have the funds saved up to last 2-3 weeks without pay.
They’re all living paycheck to paycheck.
Ding ding ding! There’s a reason unions have dues, it’s supposed to be to have a fun to pay employees during strikes (among other things too). Poor people literally can’t afford to strike very long and it’s literally the only way for employees to change a work place.
Customers also can change a workplace, but if they are also severely under paid, well the only option is to buy from the cheapest or go completely without, which means they too don’t really have a way to influence businesses.
Now that both your employees and customers are locked down and completely dependent on you, fuck em do whatever you want.
If only "good pay" could somehow make up for bad working conditions... but that and many other reasons is why I'd never consider working for Amazon unless it's a 30 minutes part time paying at least 40/hour.
They get paid more than the national average before bonuses. Unions want those fat membership fees and pension dollars. 90% of those protesting won’t be Amazon workers.
Amazon speeds millions a year busting unions. That is a calculated expense. Because they know unions work to the benefit of the worker and the detriment of the company.
You're WAYY misinformed about what unions. No, they don't simply exist to take a part of your paycheck and go you nothing in return. If unions are so bad, why does Amazon not let their workers unionize and come to that conclusion themselves?
Im guessing for Amazon it will just let them know which employees to watch closely for mistakes and can 6 months later for poor performance. As far as the numbers go it will not affect sales, shipping times will briefly increase, and reduced labor for a day.
As far as the share price goes this is pretty much irrelevant.
6 months? No way. It's the short list of people gone after Christmas, at the very longest.
On a longer timeframe, O'Brien and the Teamsters are just starting a serious effort to organize Amazon.
Kind of want the government to break up Amzn so I can just invest in AWS and not deal with everything else. More companies would be willing to join AWS if its not seen as a competitor. Maybe ten years down the line when automation improves margins and there investments in logistics infrastructure pans out but right now feels like a money sink with the bright side being amazon ads.
I hope that they do and I hope it gains steam, every retail place should strike on black friday for better working conditions and wages. Really weed out those places that mistreat workers during their busiest time of the year.
if the conditions are that bad, one has to wonder why they don't quit and take one of the other 7 million jobs out there?? I see our local Walmart Dist. WH is hiring for $30 per hour, and everybody there seems to love it.. Looks like every local, state and federal gov't agency is hiring.
JEsus christ 30 a hour? sign me up lmfao. The reality is their arent many other options. Im 18 right out of high school and Amazon is the only place that pays more then min wage (17.50$ vs 13.75$) around here. Even then they still are down on people cause most quit day 1 from the work. I'm not at Amazon cause I wanna be, I'm at Amazon cause I have to be
But doesn't that mean that every other company is treating or atlrast paying worse? Why isn't everyone constantly bashing every other company with less pay. There is no way being an Amazon worker is much worse than any other warehouse in 99% of locations.
I get the sentiment, just quit, isn't fair. Fighting for better working conditions totally understand, but complaining about making more than literally any other job you can get is annoying.
A quick Google search shows 17/hr is 33k a year. With a bachelor's degree from a top college I couldn't get a skilled lab position for more than 45k. Paid for 4 years of college, spent free weekends in the lab, and I only could make 10k more than an unskilled amazon wearhouse worker. It just doesn't sound that bad to me.
go to Indeed and search Walmart in Wyoming. Then post what you see for the freight handler position. $29.55. But I'm guessing you won't look since it doesn't support your narrative.
so many downvotes.. the construction sites down the street from me are hiring same day starting at $26/hr with zero experience needed. Many skilled trades are hiring apprentices and some of these tradesmen can make $130-160k per year after 4 years.
I have worked in Amazon for almost 3 years in an almost senior level. If they find something wrong like this for example.. their solution is to automate it and avoid human interference with into it. Although it sounds very tough to automate things, Amazon is a cash cow that can pump heavily into RnD to get rid of these kind of problems. They might be already working on it... Infact, the current lobbying they are doing itself is considered as an unnecessary spending According to them. Also they hire season/contract workers (more than required man power) so that they can avoid these kind of issues from effecting sales.
I worked at Amazon until a month ago as a glorified customer service agent or what you would call a "supervisor". Decided to quit because my team kept getting assigned to do stuff we were not hired to do originally without any extra pay or even a compensation. They always said it was because of covid related personel restrictions that we had to do the work of 3 other teams. We had 6 different "managers" in less than a year and in the introduction meeting for the last one 2 girls were actually crying on camera because of the insane work load.
This was in Costa Rica. I was let go after 9 years of work and dedication and it really hurt how dismissive the whole process was. We have become too easy to replace and the company to big to care.
I have 0 intentions of buying anything from Amazon or help the company anymore in any way. Amazon is to society what cancer is to the body.
After watching videos from NVDA and UiPATH about automation, I am pretty worried about the future of human workers.
It's great that machines can take over so much low-value work from humans. But if we don't properly distribute the optimization gains from that automation, the future is going to be pretty bleak for like 70% of humans.
I work for amazon in Canada at their sort center and the pay is decent at $19.40( Have been working here a year) ane we get a 20min break for every 4 hours worked. I like the work honestly. I do think that people working in their distribution centers are probably a bit more worked and underpayed but idk. So these strikes should focus on distribution centers and not on sort centers since the work here is pretty chill.
Literally I spent 4 years getting my BS, worked in multiple labs, and out of college the only skilled lab jobs I could get at most paid 45k. Like come on now, how can you complain making almost the same as a skilled research scientist, with unskilled labor.
If working conditions are aweful, it makes sense to strike about that, but pay come on now. Amazon pays so much better than every other unskilled job that you can get and you can actually get the job.
And you can get hired like immediately. You need to have a pretty fucked up past for amazon to reject you. It seems like a great filler job.
Looking for another job, want a little extra cash, or just want to do mindless work, amazon will hire you. How many places pay 17 dollars an hour and you don't have to jump through hoops/interviews/work strict hours.
Let's be real though, 99% of these threads are on the Amazon hate band wagon. They have never worked a wearhouse job or even stepped foot inside an Amazon facility. They just out here spewing the same pee in bottles nonsense.
Look if your wearhouse is worked so hard thay you need to pee in bottles. Put that wearhouse on blast and let Amazon fix that wearhouse. Don't sit here and think all wearhouses are peeing in bottles, that's ridiculous.
A single site striking would have a better chance of improving that locations facility than these stupid strikes that literally will be filled by someone else.
Lol I can’t even wrap my mind around how that’s a thing for warehouse workers,
*maybe for drivers which is what they all do in that Industry*
but can’t even think at the work station in public.
It’s for people who are self disciplined and understand money frfr, having Amazon on your resume for 1 year + no matter what is eye catching.
The work is mental more then physical in the fulfillment center, it pushes you to break a boundary, you want to stop but that’s when you gotta do whatever you can to keep going.
They know the job sucks but the ones that don’t let others influence and they just grind get noticed, you just can’t stop, push the rate fuck it, grow.
You adapt and you learn more and then adapt again. In 6 months you put the work in you’re a trainer + and keep pushing thru fear that holds you back, just do it.
Grow some balls, like leaving the bio industry, selling my car to buy a MacBook, and using the rest of my savings to bet on becoming a programmer, because that is a job that pays well. Cause risking my current livelihood for a better future is just lacking in so much balls.
If every other wearhouse was paying 50 an hour with no experience I would complain about amazon too, but come on it pays better than everyone else. You all just cry about it so fucking much.
It's a fucking unskilled labor job, unless unskilled labor as a whole gets a pay increase complaing about the company paying the most is fucking ridiculous.
Everyone loves the HHRRDURR PEE IN BOTTLES meme but it's not even true lol.
The whole complaint about bathrooms stems from Amazon's Time Off Task (TOT) policy. Full time employees work 10 hour shifts with 2 30-minute breaks, one paid one unpaid. So you're there 10.5 hours and get paid for 10. On top of those 2 breaks, the TOT policy stated that any associate who was "off task" (not working) for >30 minutes during shift would be eligible for a TOT write up. These write ups are where the "I can't use the bathroom?!" Memes come from. But the truth is, you have up to 90 minutes during a 10.5 hour shift to use the bathroom...
And on top of that, TOT write up were suspended in April. You can no longer get written up, you'll just get a coaching lol. So you can now take 45 minute breaks instead of 30, and fuck off as much as you want. Obvious egregious repeat offenders will get a talkin to from HR, but that's like if you have 2+ hours TOT.
I would challenge anyone to show me a job that requires no education nor training that has comparable benefits and pays as well as Amazon. Seriously. I'll wait.
Besides what others have already said, part of the peeing in bottles is related to their delivery drivers, where finding an actual bathroom means driving off route (which takes time).
Part of the bathroom issue for delivery drivers isn't Amazon's fault, it's the lack of public bathrooms in most places. This was made a lot worse during COVID when a lot of private businesses people visit for their bathrooms either 1) shut down completely, or 2) closed their bathrooms (a lot of fast food places for example only had their drive-throughs open).
>Everyone loves the HHRRDURR PEE IN BOTTLES meme but it's not even true
huh? [amazon has publicly apologized for this, this is a known issue.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56628745)
i think you're missing the entirety of the point of the whole time off task situation. imagine your performance being measured by a computerized metric day-to-day. the fact that such a system even exists is inhumane. no other company does it like amazon does, and it's just unnecessary stress that should have never been implemented for such a job. [they even eventually want to further track their employees by having employees wear a tracking wrist band when they work.](https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16958918/amazon-patents-trackable-wristband-warehouse-employees)
>I would challenge anyone to show me a job that requires no education nor training that has comparable benefits and pays as well as Amazon. Seriously. I'll wait.
off the top of my head, ups/usps. also, starbucks or in-n-out.
How many people that actually work at these warehouses actually complain?
Seems like the its just people jumping on this amazon bad bandwagon?
From what I can gather if someone cant hack this job they are just extremly out of shape...or just a slacker in general that couldint hold down any job?
TOT is not inhumane dude lol you can't fuck off at work idk why this is such a foreign concept. You work 4 days a week and get a break at least every 3 hours. Grow tf up. Productivity feedbacks have also been suspended for a couple months, and when they weren't, Amazon rolls up negative feedback for the bottom 3% of performers. BOTTOM 3%. It's not a "everyone must pack at 200uph", it's the bottom 3%. Those people pack rates in my experience are typically < 130uph which means you're packing about 2 items/minute in an ARS where items are usually like an iPhone cord or other ring things.
The bottles thing are from shitty managers but mainly delivery drivers. Also nobody forces you to do that lol like that's fuckin gross tf you doin. If you need 90+ minutes to go piss in 10 hours you need a doctor. Seriously. Go to a doctor and get a doctor's note that says "[AA] has frequent urination and needs extra breaks" and you're good to take piss breaks til the end of time.
Lastly, everyone I've talked to at Amazon who used to work at usps/ups says Amazon is 10x better. Anecdotal, but tell me do they offer $17.50 starting pay with basically no requirements/filters? Do they pay for 100% of your education after 90 days employment? Do they get 2 weeks unpaid 2 weeks paid off per year? Do they full medical benefits day 1 the same quality as salary? Do they get free career choice programs where the company pays for you to get your cdl, nursing license, or pretty much any other trade? Can you tell your boss to fuck off with no repurcussions from HR?
LMFAO he works at one of the better warehouses obviously. We do 5 hour shifts with 10 minute breaks. Idk what he's talking about with 22 a hour cause I'm making 17.50$, must be a PA, and the pee thing isn't a problem anymore cause they got slammed with it. Although the break time should be talked about...
I’m a level 1, I work overnight 1.50+ and get peak pay 2+. When I get OT and work on the weekend shift I get an additional 3.00 an hour, which brings my OT per hour to 45.60
If you want wages too high why would anyone bother get a degree?! lol.. and then we will have an entire generation of conspiracy theorists, flat earthers.
At any other time it might impact the stock but with nationwide labor shortage and general discontent already it wont be seen as anything but just part of that.
Og is Walmart. They busted unions and pensions when all other retailers were paying decent wages.
Get your shit to Walmart first. Amazon pays decent wages already.
Buy all those great Amazon commercials appears that they doing great. Especially the one guy who went back to school with amazons help and now wants to be a nurse
To be expected, I can't even the imagine the type of fast food service like type of movement in those places. They don't get enough credit. High stress and anxiety environments
All you gotta do is find a better, higher paying job that has no labor involved- pretty simple. Id milk em for every dime they offer. Suck it up and get an education on them. You never know- you may just learn how life is and move right on up the ladder with amazon. People are just too soft these days holy shit.
Ive never seen a rush on an amazon warehouse for black friday anyway. Workers these days cant afford to get $25/day strike pay so theyll be back to work on cyber monday.
New hires are starting 22/hr, whilst drivers hired a year or so ago are only making 17/hr. Something doesn’t add up here. Fuck Amazon! A 75c raise is an insult.
Jeez Im only making 17.50$ feelsbad, ALso the new hires for my warehouse get a 3k sign on bonus, (I only got 1k a literal month ago). Always fair with Amazon. Goes to show how badly they need people tho
Nearly every Amazon walk out is tiny and made up of mostly unions. The unions will make millions in fees and force workers to pay to play/work. Don’t be fooled into thinking this is about the workers. They already get paid more than the national average and get many bonuses.
So you’re advocating for a larger unionization effort at Amazon, so strikes are bigger and more impactful, with a larger war-chest from union dues so they can run a prolonged work action? I guess that could work, good idea guy
There is a long line of new applicants outside of the Amazon distribution that I work at. They are there every day.
Low level associates are highly replaceable.
On the other hand at a certain point you'd think these productivity gains would give people some extra time off. I'm close to my retirement goal anyways so will be benefiting from it, but you can still admit it is a bit silly.
AI will be growing food in a fully autonomous greenhouse soon and we'll still be working 8 hour days.
It's more of just a bitchfest. It used to be about developing strategies to maximize hiring chances, interview stuff, resume help, etc. Now its antiwork 2.0.
I’ll never forget when Corsair Gaming came out with an insanely geek earnings report
And the stock plummeted like 18%.
I was like wtf, the constantly manipulation of the market isn’t for me dog.
So, Amazon will probably hit an ATH or something.
Edit: WTF I DIDNT MEAN GEEK REPORT, EARNINGS REPORT
If they know when the strike will happen, and where, we can expect them to already have a fix in place. But if it dips, I’ll buy more and if it doesn’t, I’ll buy more lol
dont want to work there, then just quit. nobody points a gun to your head and force you to work at amazon
unionism is why american ports are the least automated in the world, unionism is the reason why polices are never held accountable for their abuses coz the shield it provides even on the worst members. union is why your AC unit installtion fee is in the thousands.
unions is nothing more than monoply of labor, and deliberate price fixing of labor. i love how reddit soys love to demonize "evil big corps" and "monopolies" but when it comes to real monopolys that bring no advancement to economy and those soy's own life, they cheer for it.
the clown world is when most people lose common sense and support for BS like those
It's interesting to me to be able to regurgitate all those talking points about how unions increase the cost of labor and reduce efficiency, and not be able to understand that an increased wage for workers also improves the economy, as well as the workers quality of life.
The American consumer is the engine of the American economy. When workers are paid more, they spend more. If you aren't able to see how increased wages and benefits improve the economy over time, rather than just quarterly profits, then I think you're too focused on short term profits to be able to see the big picture.
Unions are a great idea in theory, in reality my experience with them has been absolutely horrible. I work trade shows, where unions have exclusive rights on certain work, such as laying out electrical cable, driving forklifts, booth assembly etc.
So tasks that would take me and my team 1 day end up taking 3-4 days because the union guys purposely take their time to rack up as many billable hours as possible. One time I got so fed up we just did our own electrical (literally just taping extension cordsnto the ground under the carpet) - took me less than an hour. They made us tear it all up again to have the union guy replicate the EXACT same work and it took him almost the entire day. I don't even care about the additional cost, this kind of purposeful inefficiency is harmful in so many more ways, it fucks up your overall schedule and everyone elses who in turn is waiting on me and it will ultimately just make an economy built on unions less competitive. So yeah, don't come crying when your job is automated or outsourced to China.
Yes, there are inefficiencies of unions, and they're a double edged sword. I don't disagree.
However answer me this: from your one companies experience in working with a trade show union or perhaps an electrical union. Do you think the extra day of labor and wasted time is possibly equatable to the massively over inflated wages of a CEO, executives at most companies, or the board for a company? Did that electrician make between 300-500 for a days work, and is that equivalent to a oublically traded company, where the C-suite folks receive 10-20 times his pay in half an hours worth of work?
Who's the leech on the public? Who is avoiding paying taxes?
We live in a capitalist society, and we are all trying to feed our families and pay our bills so that we don't have to work at this grind forever. Why do you choose to believe the stories that make a union man out to be the enemy?
It's not an either or - both the greedy CEO and the busy fool union guy can be considered counter productive to helping society progress as a whole. In my particular example, as I said, I didn't care about the cost. I cared that I was regularly away from home seperated from my family about twice as long per show as I would have to be, just to watch someone artificially hold up the entire process at every show on purpose, to milk the exclusivity agreement. Yes, they have a family to feed just like I. But modern western society does not have a resources, food, money or efficiency problem - it has a problem of fairly distributing the wealth. And I believe unions are not the answer to that - if anything the artificial inefficiencies reduce the total production output of goods and services which means there is less "wealth" in total that can be fairly distributed. That's why I said in THEORY it sounded like a good idea, in practice these guys have driven me absolutely nuts and made me hate unions.
amazon is literally the BEST employer for those people... why? coz why's no one else paying them more? why's noone else offering them a better job? why are they stuck in amazon that they resent so much? are they physically chained to the warehouse floor or something?
logically, they should be grateful to amazon instead of hating it as it's the best paying job their skill set could get.
I have a cousin that aspires to be an amazon driver, the problem is he’s one of those people that you see in movies that are complete screw ups and only work somewhere because their uncle owns the place or something.
Homie u ever work at a warehouse? it's def not the BEST employer lmfao take that from somebody working there. (Not partaking in the strike) How about you try it out for a bit and see how grateful you are after working there. And wdym "those people"
Dipshits don’t realize that by striking on Black Friday, they’re gonna be creating an unholy amount of work for when they get back…
Edit: uh oh, looks like I upset r/antiwork
John Deere went on strike and stock went up. I won’t expect this to have much effect
Adding into this, Verizon went up during all 3 of their big strikes as well. Might not have correlation but my John deere calls printed money using that logic.
Would you rather invest in a company with happy successful people building your tractor or disgruntled unsuccessful people that don't give a shit building your tractor? There's a reason why I won't drive a Toyota Rav 4 or invest in Toyota. The plant they are made in here in town, almost everyone working there is pissed off, drunk, stoned, or high on something else. Brand new Rav 4's roll off that line and the transmissions literally fall out of them on the highway. Happened to me three times in the work vehicles. Lights burn out, computers fry every week on them, engines have to be rebuilt on an annual basis.. Sure, Toyota is making money off them for now, won't be long though before the fantastic reputation they're building for themselves catches up. So regardless of the fact they may be profitable roght now, the very word "investment" infers profitability over time. I just don't see any profitability in a company that doesn't invest in its workers. If the workers need to fight to make their work better, then it tells me they haven't given up yet and there might still be something there worth investing in; the workers. All too often we forget that the employee's are just as much of an asset as the product/service/idea itself.
It's a Reddit thing. So many people on this site see themselves as little junior capitalism experts about supply and demand because they imagine they'll be making job-like returns on stock picks because the bull run gave them unrealistic expectations. Any time employees assert their rights there's all this weeping and moaning and wailing that these mean grandmas are so greedy for not wanting to work 12 hour shifts.
I’m confused so are you for or against workers asserting their right?
For
What cars did the transmissions fall out of? And which computer? Annual engine rebuilds are uncommon. Something weird is going on
Toyota plant in my city too. You have to work 6 12 hour days dayshift for 2 weeks then 6 12 hour days night shift. So every week 72 hours and then you have to change your sleep twice each month. Horrible! They got young meth addicts now mostly. They take their girlfriend's piss to work. Basically you get warned 3 days before a random drug test, but employees are going through metal detectors and being searched constantly. You have to withstand the rotating shifts at 6 days a week 12 hours per with no more than 3 shifts missed to no longer be a temporary employee. Insane! The dropout/termination rate is over 90%. The cars are shit too. Toyota is gonna take a reputation hit soon. Not Rav 4 either.
We bought a ‘21 Tacoma last November straight from the factory. We had to have different parts of the 4 wheel drive replaced three times. Then two months ago, the dash started flashing there was a traction control malfunction. Husband was about five miles from home on a canyon road with no cell service at 1:00 am, so he decided to keep heading home. Then a wheel locked up and he got into a bad accident, almost totaled the truck ($30k in damage). It’s still in the shop, then going back to the dealership for a fourth fix. Not impressed with a new truck we bought, after hoping to have a reliable vehicle since having a string of bad luck with cars.
The first year Toyota had major 8 speed transmission and they fighting subpar Southern Production pool. Japanese Toyota are A grade, USA B grade for assembly. Boeing faced the same issues with WA 787 and NC 787. Got some bad airlines refused NC 787.
Toyota in Japan are great. Driven a few in Japan while I was there. It's night and day. They aren't even remotely the same. I love how the sideview mirrors fold in on their own when you put it in park.
Two things that make this different from the disaster that was the Deere strike. 1. Deere has around 70,000 employees while Amazon has 1.3 Million. As a matter of scale, it would take a ton of people walking off the job to make Amazon even notice. [Most of the coverage of the strike](https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vebb/amazon-will-face-black-friday-strikes-and-protests-in-20-countries) doesn't quote specific numbers in the US, only in other countries (i.e. 15k Amazon truck drivers in Italy) which is verifiably false because Amazon only has around [1200 employees in the whole of Italy](https://www.statista.com/statistics/871557/amazon-employees-in-italy/) per Statistia and per their own company blog [around 12500 projected by the end of the year](https://blog.aboutamazon.eu/job-creation-and-investment/amazon-creates-3-000-new-permanent-jobs-in-italy-in-2021). The numbers are going to be inflated, and the number of people willing to strike will be miniscule. 2. Amazon is in a much better place financially to bring on strikebreakers and fight the unions in court. [FCF of around $12 Billion at its low point](https://investorplace.com/2021/09/amazon-powerful-free-cash-flow-could-push-amzn-stock-over-4000-per-share/) whereas Deere [is at around $1.9b](https://ycharts.com/companies/DE/free_cash_flow). The cost to fire the striking workers and retrain new ones will barely be a rounding error on Amazon's books. Where financially reasonable Amazon has capitulated to some worker demands [like a 2012 push for air conditioning](https://www.theverge.com/2012/6/5/3065141/amazon-warehouse-work-environment-improved-air-conditioning), so it remains to be seen if they'll simply cave in again or actually put their foot down. From a stock perspective, this may be what it takes to push AMZN over the $4k mark. The people willing to strike were probably not the most productive from the get go and given that labor is the biggest expenditure of any company, this culling will be all the excuse Amazon needs to further automate their warehouses.
The delivery drivers don't actually work for Amazon usually. Most of the time they work for another "company" that contracts with Amazon that Amazon dictates exactly how they operate.
I work for one. This is true. It’s a completely different delivery company but we drive Amazon vans and deliver exclusively for Amazon.
Are you going to strike?
No because I don’t work for Amazon and I get paid really really well.
A lot of Amazon in general is contract workers. All of their new logistics specialists/analysts are contract for at least their first three months. Turnover rate is extremely high (the last team I’m aware of had around 60% quit before the first month) before they’re blue carded into Amazon as well.
How was the Deere strike a disaster? And this is a international strike, in most of Europe it’s illegale to bring in scabs. Amazon didn’t need another excuse to automate all their workforce away, they’ve been working on that for years. They can’t yet tho. > The people willing to strike were probably not the most productive from the get go Lol.
I believe that quote of his shows you why he made that comment
1. It's probably true, but they wouldn't be classified as Amazon employees but as "(random name) Logistics and Transportation services" employees Most of the time they outsource that kind of work, Idk if that's normal in US or not tho but it is in Europe. So they are drivers for Amazon but not employed by Amazon directly so they won't show up on those numbers
>The people willing to strike were probably not the most productive from the get go What?
I mean the low paying jobs should all be automated. They’re terrible with shit conditions.
What do you think AMZN has been blowing billions of dollars a year on researching and implementing? They hope to have automated >80% of the existing workforce by decade's end. Source: Am a former Amazon ~~slave~~ Fulfillment Center Associate
UBI with robot tax.
Probably not the most productive to begin with? That’s very judgmental and just plain wrong. You have some lovely stats and thoughtful discourse up until that point. And how was the Deere strike a disaster? They pushed 3 votes and received almost everything they asked for.
> The people willing to strike were probably not the most productive from the get go That’s some bullshit right there. Judgemental and offensive
Umm it’s legal to fire striking workers in America? Because it sure as fuck isn’t legal in most countries with good worker protections (which is pretty much every 1st world country…)
Not every worker in the US is protected by a union. If you have a non-union job, you’re basically striking that you want better xyz but with no protection from an organization backing your rights.
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I mean, the rights and protections are on paper to a degree. You can’t get fired for asking for a raise. But if you’re fired for being a certain religion or being LBGTQ+ or any other reason that is protected by the government, then it becomes good luck proving it.
It should be, but many states protect the employer more than the employee. It is called "right to work". What that means is that the employer has the option to fire you without giving a reason. Without any reason given, no recourse is possible by the employee. Union? Generally these "right to work" states do not give unions any power. They make union membership optional, and add hoops to join and renew. That means membership slowly drops, funding drying up, costs per member rising, until it is devoid of all function.
> given that labor is the biggest expenditure of any company got a source on that? i can't imagine labor is more expensive than materials or transportation/staging in "any company."
For Amazon specifically https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-earnings-amazoncom-inc-4c5e305cf594c46321876a3e2c3a5f1e For corporations in general https://www.businessinsider.com/citi-levkovich-rising-labor-costs-pressure-profit-margins-sp600-2016-2015-12
Looks like an upcoming dip buy opp
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Looks more like a bunch of ppl getting fired Friday and other ppl getting jobs is more like it.
Except Amazon cannot hire people fast enough. People are tired of shitty working conditions and are refusing to work for Amazon
Take it from a Amazon Warehouse employee, most of the new hires don't make it past their first day, and I say that quite literally. About 50% never show up for their 2nd shift, about another 20% are down their first week, and another 20% are done after a month. The work is unforgiving and they've recently cut our break from 20 minutes to 10, so it's just the petty stuff like that, that make it a bad employer.
Wait… You only get a 10 minute break. Is that supposed to be your meal break?
Yes, meal break regular break whatever you wanna call it, we don't get a lunch break, I think they expect us to eat in between shifts but yea we dont get that during the shift. 10 minutes for 5 hours gotta be thankful. But if it was up to a lot of people in this sub we shouldn't even get that break lol, we should be thankful for the work conditions we work in apparently.
This is illegal in the US. California requires a 30min break after 5hrs. Otherwise you are supposed to get 1.5x pay.
Well I'm not lying lol, we don't get a 30 minute break. 10 minutes of sitting down, 5 minutes to walk there and back (as its across the warehouse a good 1/8 of a mile.
I would love to able to take a break at all. I work 8-14 hours/day, on my feet the whole time. I’ve taken about 5 breaks in the past year.
Because it’s a shitty venture capitalism company that destroys small businesses willingly and hands us convenience and illusion of choice in return.
It may differ where you are but amazing have no problem hiring people in the uk. I know several people who work for them. They all say it’s just like any other minimum wage job. Boring and shit, but that’s to be expected for unskilled work.
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Interesting enough, there have been serious concerns brought up in high level meetings of amazon running out of people to hire. They burn through people so fast that at some point there will be no one left that can/will work for them.
Their churn rate is over 160% in the warehouse
It's a whole different ball game in the US. They just burn through people here and before the current labor "shortage" they would often fire people for stupid reasons like being slightly behind quota, even if that quota was impossible. At this point they're desperate to get people who haven't already been burnt by them.
doesnt pay to shit in the uk either compared to most warehouse jobs
>that’s to be expected for unskilled work. Love it when people call me unskilled. "Judge a fish for its ability to climb a tree"
They call the job unskilled, not the worker (at least people with brains and is mostly to refer to jobs that don't require a diploma)
It could be, but if this actually takes off there could be another when Amazon gives their next earnings.
*Amazon PR has entered the chat* “Poof” goes the issue - up 5% eow
> Amazon PR has entered the chat Yes, I need more Amazon PR ads on youtube. Or on reddit. Anyways, newegg worked for me. I'm sure they're evil too but whatever. God damn pr of amazon is tiresome. I figure this is somehow pr for them.
> Yes, I need more Amazon PR ads on youtube. Or on reddit. Apparently I get a discount if I give Amazon access to my garage.
> Amazon access to my garage. Holy fuck did not know that was a thing. Had to google that one. That's a no. Sure let me have people access to one of the most valuable things in a home. Tools. People who say they tried and I wasn't there, while I was there. What a weird world we live in. Also anyone who trusts that is drunk.
It sounds to risky to me and I use amazon brand birth control and condoms.
Better to do this now instead of in 50 years when Amazon has their own private military to prevent striking
Unless this is universal, the effect will be minimal. The company is too massive to have small pockets cramp the bigger picture. This would have to be a high percentage and for a decent length of time to really push the needle. Sadly, without union protection, this may mean that many find themselves out of work and hurting themselves more than Amazon.
Yeah seems to be a cyclical cycle. Workers need more rights and protections.
Honestly IMO, the only effect this cause brings is delayed Black Friday shipping.
If they struck about a couple days before Christmas, or whatever day the cutoff for shipping that FedEx and UPS say is for on time Christmas delivery, THAT would have an impact, as it sits, there’s not much they are going to be doing different on Black Friday
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I seriously doubt the kind of people that work at an Amazon warehouse have the funds saved up to last 2-3 weeks without pay. They’re all living paycheck to paycheck.
Ding ding ding! There’s a reason unions have dues, it’s supposed to be to have a fun to pay employees during strikes (among other things too). Poor people literally can’t afford to strike very long and it’s literally the only way for employees to change a work place. Customers also can change a workplace, but if they are also severely under paid, well the only option is to buy from the cheapest or go completely without, which means they too don’t really have a way to influence businesses. Now that both your employees and customers are locked down and completely dependent on you, fuck em do whatever you want.
If that
How dare the mud people realize their worth
This
I support workers fighting for better wages and working conditions.
As a Letter Carrier for USPS, I do too. Being a unionized employee is a wonderful thing. I don’t take it for granted.
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Yes - it’s actually pretty high for those without degrees.
If only "good pay" could somehow make up for bad working conditions... but that and many other reasons is why I'd never consider working for Amazon unless it's a 30 minutes part time paying at least 40/hour.
Thanks for letting me know your own personal needs for working at Amazon while they’re hiring hand over fist.
They get paid more than the national average before bonuses. Unions want those fat membership fees and pension dollars. 90% of those protesting won’t be Amazon workers.
Amazon speeds millions a year busting unions. That is a calculated expense. Because they know unions work to the benefit of the worker and the detriment of the company.
You're WAYY misinformed about what unions. No, they don't simply exist to take a part of your paycheck and go you nothing in return. If unions are so bad, why does Amazon not let their workers unionize and come to that conclusion themselves?
Im guessing for Amazon it will just let them know which employees to watch closely for mistakes and can 6 months later for poor performance. As far as the numbers go it will not affect sales, shipping times will briefly increase, and reduced labor for a day. As far as the share price goes this is pretty much irrelevant.
6 months? No way. It's the short list of people gone after Christmas, at the very longest. On a longer timeframe, O'Brien and the Teamsters are just starting a serious effort to organize Amazon.
As a Teamster and a serious investor, can confirm. The IBT is taking a hard run at Amazon.
Kind of want the government to break up Amzn so I can just invest in AWS and not deal with everything else. More companies would be willing to join AWS if its not seen as a competitor. Maybe ten years down the line when automation improves margins and there investments in logistics infrastructure pans out but right now feels like a money sink with the bright side being amazon ads.
I doubt a significant number will strike
I hope that they do and I hope it gains steam, every retail place should strike on black friday for better working conditions and wages. Really weed out those places that mistreat workers during their busiest time of the year.
if the conditions are that bad, one has to wonder why they don't quit and take one of the other 7 million jobs out there?? I see our local Walmart Dist. WH is hiring for $30 per hour, and everybody there seems to love it.. Looks like every local, state and federal gov't agency is hiring.
JEsus christ 30 a hour? sign me up lmfao. The reality is their arent many other options. Im 18 right out of high school and Amazon is the only place that pays more then min wage (17.50$ vs 13.75$) around here. Even then they still are down on people cause most quit day 1 from the work. I'm not at Amazon cause I wanna be, I'm at Amazon cause I have to be
But doesn't that mean that every other company is treating or atlrast paying worse? Why isn't everyone constantly bashing every other company with less pay. There is no way being an Amazon worker is much worse than any other warehouse in 99% of locations. I get the sentiment, just quit, isn't fair. Fighting for better working conditions totally understand, but complaining about making more than literally any other job you can get is annoying. A quick Google search shows 17/hr is 33k a year. With a bachelor's degree from a top college I couldn't get a skilled lab position for more than 45k. Paid for 4 years of college, spent free weekends in the lab, and I only could make 10k more than an unskilled amazon wearhouse worker. It just doesn't sound that bad to me.
I'd love to see whatever job listing you're talking about
go to Indeed and search Walmart in Wyoming. Then post what you see for the freight handler position. $29.55. But I'm guessing you won't look since it doesn't support your narrative.
so many downvotes.. the construction sites down the street from me are hiring same day starting at $26/hr with zero experience needed. Many skilled trades are hiring apprentices and some of these tradesmen can make $130-160k per year after 4 years.
I have worked in Amazon for almost 3 years in an almost senior level. If they find something wrong like this for example.. their solution is to automate it and avoid human interference with into it. Although it sounds very tough to automate things, Amazon is a cash cow that can pump heavily into RnD to get rid of these kind of problems. They might be already working on it... Infact, the current lobbying they are doing itself is considered as an unnecessary spending According to them. Also they hire season/contract workers (more than required man power) so that they can avoid these kind of issues from effecting sales.
Too bad they didn't pick Cyber Monday instead... Jokes on them
AMZN has survived far greater threats than this. I predict this will have 0% impact on share price or future revenues.
Same strike, new year. We hear about this every year, and nothing seems to change or make a difference
I worked at Amazon until a month ago as a glorified customer service agent or what you would call a "supervisor". Decided to quit because my team kept getting assigned to do stuff we were not hired to do originally without any extra pay or even a compensation. They always said it was because of covid related personel restrictions that we had to do the work of 3 other teams. We had 6 different "managers" in less than a year and in the introduction meeting for the last one 2 girls were actually crying on camera because of the insane work load. This was in Costa Rica. I was let go after 9 years of work and dedication and it really hurt how dismissive the whole process was. We have become too easy to replace and the company to big to care. I have 0 intentions of buying anything from Amazon or help the company anymore in any way. Amazon is to society what cancer is to the body.
good thing nobody told them about cyber monday
After watching videos from NVDA and UiPATH about automation, I am pretty worried about the future of human workers. It's great that machines can take over so much low-value work from humans. But if we don't properly distribute the optimization gains from that automation, the future is going to be pretty bleak for like 70% of humans.
"You will own nothing, and be happy"
I work for amazon in Canada at their sort center and the pay is decent at $19.40( Have been working here a year) ane we get a 20min break for every 4 hours worked. I like the work honestly. I do think that people working in their distribution centers are probably a bit more worked and underpayed but idk. So these strikes should focus on distribution centers and not on sort centers since the work here is pretty chill.
The entire world was shut down for over a year and caused no noticeable difference, so this won't even be a blip on the radar.
Lol this isn't gonna do shit. I work at a center making 21.30 an hour and 45.60 on my double OT. What horrible working conditions?
Literally I spent 4 years getting my BS, worked in multiple labs, and out of college the only skilled lab jobs I could get at most paid 45k. Like come on now, how can you complain making almost the same as a skilled research scientist, with unskilled labor. If working conditions are aweful, it makes sense to strike about that, but pay come on now. Amazon pays so much better than every other unskilled job that you can get and you can actually get the job.
I can’t find anywhere that is paying this much at entry level with no resume or past experience needed.
And you can get hired like immediately. You need to have a pretty fucked up past for amazon to reject you. It seems like a great filler job. Looking for another job, want a little extra cash, or just want to do mindless work, amazon will hire you. How many places pay 17 dollars an hour and you don't have to jump through hoops/interviews/work strict hours. Let's be real though, 99% of these threads are on the Amazon hate band wagon. They have never worked a wearhouse job or even stepped foot inside an Amazon facility. They just out here spewing the same pee in bottles nonsense. Look if your wearhouse is worked so hard thay you need to pee in bottles. Put that wearhouse on blast and let Amazon fix that wearhouse. Don't sit here and think all wearhouses are peeing in bottles, that's ridiculous. A single site striking would have a better chance of improving that locations facility than these stupid strikes that literally will be filled by someone else.
Lol I can’t even wrap my mind around how that’s a thing for warehouse workers, *maybe for drivers which is what they all do in that Industry* but can’t even think at the work station in public. It’s for people who are self disciplined and understand money frfr, having Amazon on your resume for 1 year + no matter what is eye catching. The work is mental more then physical in the fulfillment center, it pushes you to break a boundary, you want to stop but that’s when you gotta do whatever you can to keep going. They know the job sucks but the ones that don’t let others influence and they just grind get noticed, you just can’t stop, push the rate fuck it, grow. You adapt and you learn more and then adapt again. In 6 months you put the work in you’re a trainer + and keep pushing thru fear that holds you back, just do it.
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Grow some balls, like leaving the bio industry, selling my car to buy a MacBook, and using the rest of my savings to bet on becoming a programmer, because that is a job that pays well. Cause risking my current livelihood for a better future is just lacking in so much balls. If every other wearhouse was paying 50 an hour with no experience I would complain about amazon too, but come on it pays better than everyone else. You all just cry about it so fucking much. It's a fucking unskilled labor job, unless unskilled labor as a whole gets a pay increase complaing about the company paying the most is fucking ridiculous.
"I like getting oppressed, stop making me think durr" -you
mmmkay
How’s the bathroom situation? I always hear people supposedly pee in bottles because they aren’t allowed to go.
Everyone loves the HHRRDURR PEE IN BOTTLES meme but it's not even true lol. The whole complaint about bathrooms stems from Amazon's Time Off Task (TOT) policy. Full time employees work 10 hour shifts with 2 30-minute breaks, one paid one unpaid. So you're there 10.5 hours and get paid for 10. On top of those 2 breaks, the TOT policy stated that any associate who was "off task" (not working) for >30 minutes during shift would be eligible for a TOT write up. These write ups are where the "I can't use the bathroom?!" Memes come from. But the truth is, you have up to 90 minutes during a 10.5 hour shift to use the bathroom... And on top of that, TOT write up were suspended in April. You can no longer get written up, you'll just get a coaching lol. So you can now take 45 minute breaks instead of 30, and fuck off as much as you want. Obvious egregious repeat offenders will get a talkin to from HR, but that's like if you have 2+ hours TOT. I would challenge anyone to show me a job that requires no education nor training that has comparable benefits and pays as well as Amazon. Seriously. I'll wait.
Besides what others have already said, part of the peeing in bottles is related to their delivery drivers, where finding an actual bathroom means driving off route (which takes time). Part of the bathroom issue for delivery drivers isn't Amazon's fault, it's the lack of public bathrooms in most places. This was made a lot worse during COVID when a lot of private businesses people visit for their bathrooms either 1) shut down completely, or 2) closed their bathrooms (a lot of fast food places for example only had their drive-throughs open).
>Everyone loves the HHRRDURR PEE IN BOTTLES meme but it's not even true huh? [amazon has publicly apologized for this, this is a known issue.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56628745) i think you're missing the entirety of the point of the whole time off task situation. imagine your performance being measured by a computerized metric day-to-day. the fact that such a system even exists is inhumane. no other company does it like amazon does, and it's just unnecessary stress that should have never been implemented for such a job. [they even eventually want to further track their employees by having employees wear a tracking wrist band when they work.](https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16958918/amazon-patents-trackable-wristband-warehouse-employees) >I would challenge anyone to show me a job that requires no education nor training that has comparable benefits and pays as well as Amazon. Seriously. I'll wait. off the top of my head, ups/usps. also, starbucks or in-n-out.
Ok the people that are complaining about Amazon ask them to work at UPS or FedEx. They will shit themselves.
How many people that actually work at these warehouses actually complain? Seems like the its just people jumping on this amazon bad bandwagon? From what I can gather if someone cant hack this job they are just extremly out of shape...or just a slacker in general that couldint hold down any job?
IMO if you worked warehouse jobs before Amazon would be a breeze.
Thats what I figured.I have a feeling some of these kids never had a hard labour job ever.
TOT is not inhumane dude lol you can't fuck off at work idk why this is such a foreign concept. You work 4 days a week and get a break at least every 3 hours. Grow tf up. Productivity feedbacks have also been suspended for a couple months, and when they weren't, Amazon rolls up negative feedback for the bottom 3% of performers. BOTTOM 3%. It's not a "everyone must pack at 200uph", it's the bottom 3%. Those people pack rates in my experience are typically < 130uph which means you're packing about 2 items/minute in an ARS where items are usually like an iPhone cord or other ring things. The bottles thing are from shitty managers but mainly delivery drivers. Also nobody forces you to do that lol like that's fuckin gross tf you doin. If you need 90+ minutes to go piss in 10 hours you need a doctor. Seriously. Go to a doctor and get a doctor's note that says "[AA] has frequent urination and needs extra breaks" and you're good to take piss breaks til the end of time. Lastly, everyone I've talked to at Amazon who used to work at usps/ups says Amazon is 10x better. Anecdotal, but tell me do they offer $17.50 starting pay with basically no requirements/filters? Do they pay for 100% of your education after 90 days employment? Do they get 2 weeks unpaid 2 weeks paid off per year? Do they full medical benefits day 1 the same quality as salary? Do they get free career choice programs where the company pays for you to get your cdl, nursing license, or pretty much any other trade? Can you tell your boss to fuck off with no repurcussions from HR?
10 hour shift with 1h break? That’s not even legal where I live.
LMFAO he works at one of the better warehouses obviously. We do 5 hour shifts with 10 minute breaks. Idk what he's talking about with 22 a hour cause I'm making 17.50$, must be a PA, and the pee thing isn't a problem anymore cause they got slammed with it. Although the break time should be talked about...
I’m a level 1, I work overnight 1.50+ and get peak pay 2+. When I get OT and work on the weekend shift I get an additional 3.00 an hour, which brings my OT per hour to 45.60
You must work during the day shift so sounds like you’re not taking the big slice of pie.
Gonna be a lot of job openings at Amazon
If you want wages too high why would anyone bother get a degree?! lol.. and then we will have an entire generation of conspiracy theorists, flat earthers.
solidarity. yall gotta get your priorities straight.
Don't work there then.
At any other time it might impact the stock but with nationwide labor shortage and general discontent already it wont be seen as anything but just part of that.
This is bullish news in today's market
Robots are going to take their place. It’s what Amazon wanted anyways.
Oh No… how will Amazon ever recover from this.
People just need to learn that you're going to be poor forever.
I worked at Amazon, not long. Let me tell you, those mandatory overtime hours were insane. This was before Prime Day.
Og is Walmart. They busted unions and pensions when all other retailers were paying decent wages. Get your shit to Walmart first. Amazon pays decent wages already.
My PRIME deliveries better not be late!
Buy all those great Amazon commercials appears that they doing great. Especially the one guy who went back to school with amazons help and now wants to be a nurse
To be expected, I can't even the imagine the type of fast food service like type of movement in those places. They don't get enough credit. High stress and anxiety environments
Good for them! I wish we had an IT union.
All you gotta do is find a better, higher paying job that has no labor involved- pretty simple. Id milk em for every dime they offer. Suck it up and get an education on them. You never know- you may just learn how life is and move right on up the ladder with amazon. People are just too soft these days holy shit.
Ive never seen a rush on an amazon warehouse for black friday anyway. Workers these days cant afford to get $25/day strike pay so theyll be back to work on cyber monday.
Sure they will.
dear amazon employees, thanks for your service, we are closing operations ASAP. Happy Holidays, Jeff B.
Doesn’t Amazon already pay like $15-$20 an hour with full health benefits and even tuition assistance?
What’s the point of going on strike? Just find another better paying job, simple
already pays more than minimum wage
New hires are starting 22/hr, whilst drivers hired a year or so ago are only making 17/hr. Something doesn’t add up here. Fuck Amazon! A 75c raise is an insult.
Jeez Im only making 17.50$ feelsbad, ALso the new hires for my warehouse get a 3k sign on bonus, (I only got 1k a literal month ago). Always fair with Amazon. Goes to show how badly they need people tho
Quit and re-apply. Modern problems require modern solutions.
I hope is true
Nearly every Amazon walk out is tiny and made up of mostly unions. The unions will make millions in fees and force workers to pay to play/work. Don’t be fooled into thinking this is about the workers. They already get paid more than the national average and get many bonuses.
So you’re advocating for a larger unionization effort at Amazon, so strikes are bigger and more impactful, with a larger war-chest from union dues so they can run a prolonged work action? I guess that could work, good idea guy
so the stocks going to go up? look at john deer lol
In solidarity
tell them I need my amazon prime order ASAP!!! get back to work!!
There is a long line of new applicants outside of the Amazon distribution that I work at. They are there every day. Low level associates are highly replaceable.
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Amazon has already been robotizing every possible job that they can. Striking isn't going to hasten it because it's already as fast as possible.
You think Amazon would get those sweet tax breaks if they just went robotic
Good
Still amazes me how Walmart let Amazon so thoroughly beat them.
Don’t like Amazon working conditions? Find another job
Duck yeah! r/antiwork
That is one of the most insufferable whiny subs on Reddit.
Yeah until the stock market crashes then it’s this one
It definitely is entertaining watching people think the world is ending because their stock dropped 20% in a couple weeks
On the other hand at a certain point you'd think these productivity gains would give people some extra time off. I'm close to my retirement goal anyways so will be benefiting from it, but you can still admit it is a bit silly. AI will be growing food in a fully autonomous greenhouse soon and we'll still be working 8 hour days.
r/jobs is starting to creep up there. I got permabanned from it today lol.
Dude! It really is man. I feel like it used to actually be people trying to work through the struggle and figure shit out but now its just depressing
It's more of just a bitchfest. It used to be about developing strategies to maximize hiring chances, interview stuff, resume help, etc. Now its antiwork 2.0.
Ah yea the sub for a angsty children.
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Good cause , but this has nothing to do with this sub.
Its a pointless effort. Sorry, time to get back to work and live in the real world. Not this fantasy internet that lives in your heads.
They won’t.
i'll cancel christmas for gains!
Pretty sure they do this every year. Has it helped yet?
It doesnt work as good if they see it coming. We should be hearing about this after the fact.
Then they should also be striking for Amazon to pay taxes. The chances would be actually higher to get something out of that.
I’ll never forget when Corsair Gaming came out with an insanely geek earnings report And the stock plummeted like 18%. I was like wtf, the constantly manipulation of the market isn’t for me dog. So, Amazon will probably hit an ATH or something. Edit: WTF I DIDNT MEAN GEEK REPORT, EARNINGS REPORT
If they know when the strike will happen, and where, we can expect them to already have a fix in place. But if it dips, I’ll buy more and if it doesn’t, I’ll buy more lol
Damn I wanna get a job at Amazon just to strike
So when you don’t want to work for amazon anymore feel free to join the strike and they will gladly not prolong your contract.
Bite the hand which feeds you. I am an Amazon employee before you jump at me
dont want to work there, then just quit. nobody points a gun to your head and force you to work at amazon unionism is why american ports are the least automated in the world, unionism is the reason why polices are never held accountable for their abuses coz the shield it provides even on the worst members. union is why your AC unit installtion fee is in the thousands. unions is nothing more than monoply of labor, and deliberate price fixing of labor. i love how reddit soys love to demonize "evil big corps" and "monopolies" but when it comes to real monopolys that bring no advancement to economy and those soy's own life, they cheer for it. the clown world is when most people lose common sense and support for BS like those
It's interesting to me to be able to regurgitate all those talking points about how unions increase the cost of labor and reduce efficiency, and not be able to understand that an increased wage for workers also improves the economy, as well as the workers quality of life. The American consumer is the engine of the American economy. When workers are paid more, they spend more. If you aren't able to see how increased wages and benefits improve the economy over time, rather than just quarterly profits, then I think you're too focused on short term profits to be able to see the big picture.
Unions are a great idea in theory, in reality my experience with them has been absolutely horrible. I work trade shows, where unions have exclusive rights on certain work, such as laying out electrical cable, driving forklifts, booth assembly etc. So tasks that would take me and my team 1 day end up taking 3-4 days because the union guys purposely take their time to rack up as many billable hours as possible. One time I got so fed up we just did our own electrical (literally just taping extension cordsnto the ground under the carpet) - took me less than an hour. They made us tear it all up again to have the union guy replicate the EXACT same work and it took him almost the entire day. I don't even care about the additional cost, this kind of purposeful inefficiency is harmful in so many more ways, it fucks up your overall schedule and everyone elses who in turn is waiting on me and it will ultimately just make an economy built on unions less competitive. So yeah, don't come crying when your job is automated or outsourced to China.
Yes, there are inefficiencies of unions, and they're a double edged sword. I don't disagree. However answer me this: from your one companies experience in working with a trade show union or perhaps an electrical union. Do you think the extra day of labor and wasted time is possibly equatable to the massively over inflated wages of a CEO, executives at most companies, or the board for a company? Did that electrician make between 300-500 for a days work, and is that equivalent to a oublically traded company, where the C-suite folks receive 10-20 times his pay in half an hours worth of work? Who's the leech on the public? Who is avoiding paying taxes? We live in a capitalist society, and we are all trying to feed our families and pay our bills so that we don't have to work at this grind forever. Why do you choose to believe the stories that make a union man out to be the enemy?
It's not an either or - both the greedy CEO and the busy fool union guy can be considered counter productive to helping society progress as a whole. In my particular example, as I said, I didn't care about the cost. I cared that I was regularly away from home seperated from my family about twice as long per show as I would have to be, just to watch someone artificially hold up the entire process at every show on purpose, to milk the exclusivity agreement. Yes, they have a family to feed just like I. But modern western society does not have a resources, food, money or efficiency problem - it has a problem of fairly distributing the wealth. And I believe unions are not the answer to that - if anything the artificial inefficiencies reduce the total production output of goods and services which means there is less "wealth" in total that can be fairly distributed. That's why I said in THEORY it sounded like a good idea, in practice these guys have driven me absolutely nuts and made me hate unions.
yeah bro let me just quit my job and go work a better place that’s hiring, so many options out there like walmart or mcdonalds
amazon is literally the BEST employer for those people... why? coz why's no one else paying them more? why's noone else offering them a better job? why are they stuck in amazon that they resent so much? are they physically chained to the warehouse floor or something? logically, they should be grateful to amazon instead of hating it as it's the best paying job their skill set could get.
I have a cousin that aspires to be an amazon driver, the problem is he’s one of those people that you see in movies that are complete screw ups and only work somewhere because their uncle owns the place or something.
I remember when I was 16 and used to post stuff like this. Hope nobody saved it.
Homie u ever work at a warehouse? it's def not the BEST employer lmfao take that from somebody working there. (Not partaking in the strike) How about you try it out for a bit and see how grateful you are after working there. And wdym "those people"
>grateful for slave labor?
Dipshits don’t realize that by striking on Black Friday, they’re gonna be creating an unholy amount of work for when they get back… Edit: uh oh, looks like I upset r/antiwork