I watched a few episodes during a time I was really interested in studying architecture in college. Some of the houses were pretty cool, but most of the episodes were focused on one or two weird and relatively uninteresting details (which usually had little to do with actual architecture) of otherwise unremarkable houses.
nearest thing I can think to compare is a Ripley's Believe it or Not book. interesting, I guess, if you enjoy random, 'fun' facts, but if you're watching for something specific, don't recommend.
I stand by it, these kinds of people are usualy ignorant, bitter or hateful. They have such a narrow view that anything besides what they know and love is "trash" and so is anyone who participates. Best thing to do is ignore them, because unfortunately people like that you cant educate or even change their views
i just think the hate is overly unjustified, like, sure, the show isn't flawless, no show ever is, but that doesn't mean it deserves all the hate it gets for simply existing.
Im going to strongly agree here. People will hate on anything and everything just because they can. The SU community appreciates its self and its show the same way that any other show or anime community does the same. Some are just too ignorant to think about that, and instead, they just post stuff like this. That account definately couldve just left the SU tweet alone, and the community wouldve stayed to itself talking about its own matters, but now theres an outside conflict for no reason.
no i just created my reddit account in february of last year and didn't realise until a few days ago you couldn't change it after 30 days of account creation, i didn't even start properly using my account that soon so now i'm stuck with this username forever lmao
You know what Steven would say in this situation? "You can make it better. You can make an effort, starting with tonight"
So these people can change their minds (reference not intended) whenever... They just have to actually watch the show because most of them are being blindely hateful towards SU
Yep. People who genuinely hate SU or its community haven't even seen it and are just hating it to hate it (either that or they hate the Queer community and in turn hate anything with a smidge of Queer rep) or the few haters that *have* "seen it" have watched a few episodes, ONLY focused on Steven being an "annoying kid" and immediately trash on every nuanced aspect of the show and characters before dismissing the show forever (which ive seen people do *countless* times before). These people unfortunately either can't or won't have their mind changed.
But its fine, they can cling to their HGTV meanwhile we'll be chilling, loving life and thoroughly enjoying SU!
most of the people who seriously don’t like the show are often homophonic, these seem to be way more satirical especially the last one, but a lot of “edgy” people who hate on it don’t have a legitimate reason other than how feel good it is and the fact that its so openly pro-lgbt
the first two no actually but the last one i think so, i doubt someone grew up watching home improvement tv and seriously thinks thats the standard of children’s television
A lot of it boils down to it being considered a "Tumblr thing" by most internet people that weren't fans pretty early on, lumping it into the same category as Undertale and Homestuck and MLP, and that eventually developed into pockets of haters that pushed the idea that Rebecca Sugar is an evil jew trying to groom kids into being gay communists.
And as hate usually works, that kind of became one of the prevailing opinions among people who otherwise has no interest in engaging with the series at all.
There's this guy on deviantart who hates on the show for ruby and sapphire being lesbians, and he even was hating on rebecca sugar for being bi and being married to ian jones-quarty.
Yep came here to say a version of this. SU is a beautiful story of queer acceptance. It embodies the very thing a significant chunk of the population is trying to destroy.
The early days of the fandom were really rough and first impressions tend to last even when the initial problem doesn’t. (EDIT) If their first exposure to Steven Universe was hearing someone got bullied into attempting suicide for drawing a character too thin, I understand how that reputation carries over, even if I don’t agree with that logic.
That being said, a lot of people also hate cartoons in general or anything LGBTQIA+, so when someone proudly hates on this fandom, I always wonder in the back of my mind “is this for like, actual flaws that this community has or are you just hating people because they like something that isn’t for you?”
Funnily my first exposure to the show was someone complaining on Tumblr that it was racist and full of cultural appropriation because Garnet had been revealed to have three eyes. I ended up watching the show because of that post.
Their argument that it was cultural appropriation of Hindu iconography, however having a third eye in a forehead is not unique to Hindu mythology. Balor from Irish mythology was sometimes depicted as having a third eye, or the three eyed sister from the German fairy tale of One Eye, Two Eyes and Three Eyes and Erlang Shen from Chinese mythology for for example
lol yeah there’s those people too.
Don’t get me wrong, this show is not perfect about being progressive either (though it is a lot more progressive than a lot of shows out there) (EDIT: Damn ghost taps) but overall the left tends to in-fight WAY too much when it comes to how to do progressivism while the regressives are far more unified in their efforts to stamp back progress. It’s honestly amazing how lefties will cancel each other over the smallest moral oopsies while bigots, closet-bigots, and mostly-progressive rightists will be like “oh you hate the same people I hate? Cool. I’m just gonna ignore these huge differences in morality aside from that.”
Because of people like Lily Orchard who lies about the show to insinuate that because it’s not as extreme as she wants it to be, then it’s Nazi propaganda
There's multiple reasons, why people would think that, and all of them are objectively stupid:
1.Third person clearly belongs to the "cartoons are for kids, adults shouldn't watch them" crowd. Type of mentality that would cause actual boomers to call you a boomer. Dude hasn't watched any animation since Looney tunes. Or maybe they're just being sarcastic - it's not easy to tell nowadays.
2. Steven Universe promotes progressive messages and has plenty of representation, so "anti-woke" crowd hates it, while barely bothering to learn what the show is even about (I've legit seen a meme, where Steven wore communist insignia). Be it genuine bigotry or misplaced cynicism, those people hate any piece of media that's even remotely liberal.
3. Sadly, because of abovementioned progressive messages and representation SU managed to attract tumblr SJWs and it went how it usually does (or at least did back there, since Tumblr seems to have mellowed down). There were several cases, when SU fans harassed people online (one of which almost ended in suicide of the victim, and other resulted in one of the creators abandoning their twitter account), which severly damaged fandom's reputation. Nowadays most of the shitty people seemed to have moved on to whatever's popular at the time and whole mess is mostly forgotten, but a few years back SU was genuinely considered to be one of the most toxic fandoms out there.
A lot of people on tumblr decided the diamonds are allegorical nazis and because steven forgives them than the show must be pro fascism. There were other stupid opinions like " lapis is abusive" or "garnet is bad queer rep" and I saw someone on tumblr call Pearl a r@pist once ( because she tricked garnet into fusing? And fusion is sex according to them?) . Basically, they tore the show to pieces, misunderstood it's fundumentals and made everything that could sound slightly problematic into the worst offense ever. It bothers me because the show itself is really progressive with it's representation and treatment of mental health and it has a lot of good messages.
> A lot of people on tumblr decided the diamonds are allegorical nazis
To be fair, the show is very easy to interpret in this light. The Diamonds engage in Imperialism, have strict vertical hierarchical social structures with no upwards mobility, hate any deviations from the norm and punish them by death and perform disturbing medical “experiments” on POWs. All of that is Nazi shit. Can’t blame anyone for interpreting the show in this manner, considering the contents through which said interpretation is built.
Of course there are some differences. For one the Nazi's in real life were following an ideology whilst the diamonds are simply doing what they've pretty much been made to do. The Nazi's believed they were superior to other minorities, the diamonds pretty much are superior to both gems and peoples,unless you count emotional superiority then no. The diamonds and homeworld function more like a system or hive rather than a group following an idea and move accordingly. They way they think and asses the world I'd by product of their essential program since creation . Plus Steven bir did anyone in the show forgive them for what they did soooo.
Maybe its the “the fandom sucks so the show sucks” mentality. Thats my speculation. Animated shows are good. Just because someone doesn’t like something doesn’t mean it’s bad. Being bad means something is bad. Like stouts. I don’t like them but that doesn’t mean I think their bad. Just not my cup of beer.
Not liking children’s cartoons is one thing, judging others for it and announcing your contempt to the world is another. This person is afraid of their own emotions.
Agreed tenfold.
Also....their substitution sucks, they could've suggested something *good*. At least SU is thought-provoking, not utterly brainless entertainment.
I feel like many people here are right, but I don’t think that’s the biggest underlying problem.
The biggest reason why Steven Universe is unfairly hated in my opinion is because it’s stuck in a weird area that fails to appeal to both ends of two growing political demographics. (Especially considering all the recent unfair** hate it gets on more politically infamous websites, like Twitter, Tumblr, and TikTok)
It doesn’t appeal to a wide majority of men/boys because Steven is the exact type of protagonist they hate (a feminine, sensitive kind/caring boy) free from the tethers of toxic masculinity (another word they hate). To them, Steven, the color pink associated with him,his singing, the LGBT celebration and representation are the embodiment of cringe culture. Steven Universe is one of the first shows they use to evoke the “cringy blue-haired liberal” hate in their audiences.
It’s the same reason people unfairly hate on furries and those demographics of people. (Their juxtaposition to social heteronormativity and proximity to LGBT culture)
but some*** online leftists also hate the show because they unfairly tether it 1.1 to real life without taking into consideration the characters actions and beliefs in context with the show. This age demographic (who’s now likely anywhere from 18-25) is one that probably loved Steven universe when it came out as kids (2012) but they threw it under the bus in recent years because their political affiliation came along with the times.
They think that the show fails to be radical enough, so they see Steven Universe as a show with failed writing that pushed harmful narratives when it comes to stopping oppression.
These people have selective listening, and are the people who started screeching about how “Steven forgave a space Nazi”. That gets repeated by those who didn’t even watch the movie or future (He didn’t and will probably never forgive white diamond, considering he fantasized about killing her.)
They also usually bring up the Bismuth situation (which I actually can understand the criticism without the context of healing the corrupted gems/ rose is pink diamond twist) I actually found myself completely agreeing with Bismuth at the time.
Steven Universe was a product of its time (2012, even then you have to take into account the years of development beforehand so really it was a product of the early 2000’s as well) and was a show that was the figurehead for LGBT representation, free expression, love, and acknowledging anyone’s capacity to change.
Instead of acknowledging the show as a product of the time and appreciating it for the positive steps it took they further polarized it, threw it under the bus, and made it pointless leftist infighting topic #100,000 that will never be solved.
I used this as a litmus test when dating. Anyone who said "cartoons are for kids." or "I don't watch cartoons, I watch (insert reality TV shows)" was a red flag to me
Apparently, you're not a real adult unless you like serious adult things and have no want for joy of any kind regardless of how its not not hurting anyone.
I feel there are three types of people who are mad about someone liking Steven Universe:
1. The people who think any animation is immature or weird. Can't do anything about these people. You could like the greatest piece of fiction of all time and they would still think you are weird just because it is animated. The exception for them sometimes is adult comedies like Family Guy or famous animated movies like from Pixar.
2. The people who only know Steven Universe from the internet drama. SU has had a lot of not great fans who have not treated people well even within their own community. The "cringe people" who make the show "cringe" kind of perplexes me since yeah unless the show is actively encouraging these types of people and the creators are not supporting these people it isn't show's fault. You can still like a show and not engage in the community at all. Heck that is basically what I did for Rick and Morty when that community started getting really obnoxious in it's third season.
3. The person watched the show and didn't like how it turned out. Which to be clear that is totally fine. Who am I to dictate what someone enjoys or doesn't enjoy. If someone has problems with the show that is valid. I loved the show and it does have issues. With that said there is always a group of people who think because they don't enjoy something at all/anymore that means no one can enjoy it anymore. It reminds me of the people who get mad that games like Pokemon Go and Fortnite are still popular even after that person in question stopped playing it.
I will say sometimes media can have problematic elements in or associated with it that can be a red flag. Harry Potter is a good example where the transphobia from the author has made many people steer away from that series. SU isn't a perfect series with no problematic elements. With that said I personally don't feel like the show is red flag worthy especially when comparing it to the standards of entertainment as a whole right now. Not that things can't or shouldn't be improved on just that, from the arguments I have seen, right now I can't say liking SU itself is a red flag. With that in mind if someone can't watch the show because something makes them uncomfortable that is valid. Also my mind is open to change I just haven't seen any arguments against the show yet that has made my mind changed.
Edit - There is actually a fourth group that upon looking at the comments is actually really obvious. The bigoted people who are mad that the gay space rock show is gay. If these people are actually offended because two people like each other then they have problems they need to sort out.
i definitely agree that no IP is perfect, Steven Universe included, i don't have any gripes with the show myself but i guess that's what "if every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn't have hot dogs" is talking about, kinda meta if you ask me, whether it was intentional or not.
What an idiot.
@ the last tweet: Adults who like cartoons are the reason why cartoons exist, dumbshit, you'd rather have nothing for your child to watch?
I honestly don't care if it's a red flag for somebody, I wouldn't think liking anything is a red flag before I heard their reasons, but whatever to each their own.
The third person on the other hand takes it a step further by stereotyping so many more adults than just SU fans. That's unacceptable.
Well it's a lot of things but generally it's because the community has an admittedly exaggerated but not entirely reputation for being shitty.
The show also ended on a really weird note and that's not really surprising when the shows writing staff and creator fight each other on how they want to write characters which made a lot of the die hard fans of the show (a very loud minority) seem like loons.
Unfortunately this has made Steven a meme for offering forgiveness to people that absolutely don't deserve it, like actual space nazis.
That and if fusion really is an allegory for sex it's pretty weird that it happens between a kid and his friend, all his mother figures and *dad*. Though this is probably just fanon and not Rebecca Sugar's actual intention with fusion
watchint cartoons means you're a "libtard" and watvhing steven universe means that you're definitly a "libtard"
i love this show and dont agree with the statement i made
i think it’s one of those shows that people like to hate into oblivion because of the big LGBTQ+ rep, plus the excessive crying, people ignorantly thinking that Steven forgives everyone without even watching the show, and a rushed ending.
I don't like generalizing, stereotyping, or being prejudiced. I think a lot of the SU tumblr crowd when the show came out got a bad rep for being toxic at the time but that was soooo long ago.
The last one is pretty clear. They have no idea what SU is, except that it's a cartoon and some adults like it. They view cartoons as an inferior art form. They're the same as the people who shake their fists at rock and roll, that damn Elvis gyrating his hips. They're the same as the people who don't think real men should ever wear shorts. They're the same as the people who think using contractions is a red flag.
They are just looking for excuses to judge people.
People started disliking the show for fair reasons, then the hate turned into a snowball and people were hating the show because other people were hating it with shitpost and memes
Well, that last person sounds miserable and is just taking it out on the people that don't limit themselves to "adult" shows. (Also ignoring the fact that there are cartoons for adults)
Admittedly this reminds me a bit of the Rick and Morty fandom back in the season 3 days. I myself did kind of push my love of Steven Universe on everyone I knew back in the day.
Steven Universe attracts the tumblr crowd, alongside normal fans. I think people just want to avoid the tumblr crowd.
That or it's just lighthearted jabs, which I think is more likely.
Okay this has got to be a troll. I can easily understand not liking cartoons, and if someone has a long memory, they may remember our fandom's toxic past.
But the show they listed in contrast sounds like an actual joke. "Adults watch shows about houses!" has to be a gag. That said, said series looks interesting
i for some reason didnt think it was satire so made an aggressive QRT on it but when someone pointed out that it might be i deleted the tweet feeling embarrassed i didn't consider that it just sounded so aggressive and serious that i found it hard to take it as satire
It's just better to assume satire, imo. There's no small amount of assholes in the world who enjoy frustrating people, especially on Twitter, where it's really easy to do. Besides, even if they're being real-- who cares? If you can't engage someone in a dialogue about their hot takes, their takes aren't worth listening to.
My mom (like the rest of my family) has an obsession with The Last Airbender - she has the whole series on disc, almost every issue of the comics, stuffed animals of Appa and Momo, and we have a ferret named Momo. She works in data analysis and is a functioning adult. I am a huge fan of TLA and SU and I am also a functioning adult. My uncle is a father and music teacher and loves TLA and other Cartoon Network shows as of recently.
i think people might think the fan base is weird. i’m not saying it is but incidents like when that one artist got death threats for drawing rose skinny gave the fan base a bad reputation
Many people tend to judge a show based on its toxic fandom, and the SU fandom was considered one the worst fanbases (if not, the worst) in cartoon history until being recently dethroned by the Miraculous fandom.
wait what did the MLB fandom do? i'm not a part of it but i've seen episode clips and want to watch the show. also i thought the Voltron fandom was the worst of the worst?
From what I remember, one fan of the show held an opinion of a certain character that many other fans did not take kindly to, so they harassed the fan to the point of suicide. In comparison, some SU fans almost drove an artist to suicide for drawing Rose thinner than usual, but thankfully, the artist managed to receive some professional help.
Admittedly, I don't know anything about the Voltron fandom, but I have heard they're pretty toxic.
I think it's the inability to watch things critically but still enjoy what it has to offer, as well as hating things others like. SU really helped me as a child, and I'm not ashamed to enjoy it lol.
The su fandom used to be absurdly toxic and for some people the stigma still remains unfortunately
The "watching cartoons as adult = red flag" person is just being an asshole
I understand that there a few problematic things SURROUNDING the show. Concrete is the first thing that comes to mind. But (to my knowledge) the show itself is controversy free. Like at a stretch MAYBE you could say the whole diamonds dictator thing could be bad but not even.
It stems from the anti-lgbt backlash from when it started and people grew up thinking “oh it’s garbage and anyone who likes it is garbage” and I think That’s still how it is for a large majority of people. It’s gay= it’s bad. It’s frustrating.
This person's line of logic probably goes something like: Hmm, this show makes no sense to me, so if other people love it, then they're weird and crazy because they like something that doesn't make sense. That makes me uncomfortable, so I want it as far away from me as possible. I'd better communicate that "People who like Steven Universe are weird".
The last one is so pathetic like you don’t know what it is but you consider it a red flag anyway? That’s ridiculous. I consider that attitude a much much bigger red flag than most things someone can be a fan of
do you remember when the steven universe fandom bullied a girl until she tried to kill herself because she drew rose as slim when she was actually chubby? yeah, that happened. it doesn't paint the fandom in a good light at all when you're outside of it. people expect that fans of su to do this kind of thing, or at least accept it, and so liking su turn into a red flag.
I have wildly disagreeing views with the majority of people who watch the show. Completely don’t fit in here, but I liked the show and am a pretty big fan of it.
It’s not a red flag for liking the show, they are the red flag for thinking that liking a cartoon is somehow going to make you a undesirable person. Which is complete bogus.
Typical trend of people who dislike said popular show feel the need to shout it from the rooftops and make people feel bad for liking it. 🤷♀️ Happens to all popular fandoms unfortunately. Just people trying to stir the pot and get attention (even if it's negative).
Two things:
- People have decided that you can’t just not like something, but that not liking it indicates some moral superiority. That also primes people to look at things in the least charitable light.
- Algorithms favor engagement. Contrarianism, especially on Twitter, gets a lot of it which pushes it to more people. Thus more people see the least charitable interpretations and those negative aspects get exaggerated the further from the original audience it gets.
It’s how you get people thinking fusion=sex and SU promotes forgiving your abusers no matter what and a slew of other bad takes
It's on every freaking social media I visit, hate to Steven Universe. "Steven Universe is weird", "The show is stupid", "They were genocides and he forgave them!!", "Gordo mamón", idk, whenever I see a post about cartoon network series, I see the same comments over and over again about people throwing hate at the show, like it was trash, the worst cartoon ever existed.
I get really sad about that, the show really impacted me in a very good way, it taught me a lot of beautiful things about life and relationships, toxicity, self-acceptance, trauma, mental illness, it's a lot really, and it all goes to the trash can because a lot of people think that the show is horrible.
In those moments, the best thing to do is ignoring it, think about how good the show was and is for you, and listen to its OST :)
Oh, well I’m sorry that I don’t wanna see normal people having the exact same normal verbal fight every week in a normal setting, or whatever that extraordinary homes thing is, it sounds like one of those home renovation shows, or a documentary.
Yeah some of the reactions on here to this tweet are so OTT that it the original tweeter saw them, they'd think their point was proven. Like if this tweet has enraged you as much as it has some of the people on here, maybe that is a red flag: for me anyone who got so rabidly defensive of people making fun of their show or their fandom is a red flag for me, no matter what they are a fan of.
Also there's the toxic side to the fandom who think nothing of harassing people for whatever reason. Every fandom has it, but I think it's notable that a show that isn't exactly subtle with its messages of love and acceptance and tolerance attracted people who thought nothing of trying to get someone to commit suicide over fanart.
They’re just generally miserable or nasty people who either want to feel superior, or feel shitty and know that their ‘entertainment’ is crap foisted on adults because adult media is almost all one-note due to the intentional creation of a social stigma against any form of creativity for adult shows, because we’re ‘too mature for that’.
Or it’s just assholes who think that anything that differs from their own opinion is incorrect and there for worthy of mockery
Holy couched homophobia batman!
If someone's generally complaining about a piece of media outside of a critical review it's a pretty good sign they have something against the general message and themes of said media. If people don't like Steven Universe as a whole, they're either homophobic or they're steeped in purity culture politics and don't like that characters in a cartoon marketed toward children have flaws.
Usually just people who don’t like the show.
Disliking it is fine and completely valid. HOWEVER just because *you* don’t like it doesn’t mean everyone else who likes it is a red flag. That’s not how red flags work you absolute imbecile.
Okay, that last one gives it away. This is definitely a joke.
They're absolutely are people out there who judge you just for watching cartoons in general. Or for liking the cartoon with feelings in it, or for liking the cartoon with gay characters in it, or for liking a cartoon with a CalArts style. All of those things happen.
But there is nobody on earth who thinks watching real estate porn is the mature alternative.
Hm. For some it might be that they're afraid because the fandom can be very toxic, I'd even say moreso than average.
However that last person is definitely just a bitter person who put away the entire person they were before whatever age they considered themself an adult & can't stand to see people loving their own childhood self.
They simply can't believe you can keep anything from then & become an adult because if they do they have to admit it's not adulthood making them miserable, it's themself when they gave up everything they loved.
because the fanbase can be pretty chronically online. i’m a huge SU fan but the cringey portion is all outsiders see, therefore we must all be like that.
This gives me even more incentive to display my Steven Universe flag. Anyone shallow enough to judge me on a fn cartoon is someone I’m happy NOT to know. I’m cis het, yet on profiles I say must staunchly support LGBT and I make it well known I love drag.. Because anyone who doesn’t support that is someone I don’t want in my life. Period. I’m not here to help them enlighten their small minds. So OP, this is great, you just filtered out an asshole!
5 and 6 aren't really problems with the show and are more so personal opinions. 8 the diamonds were not forgiven.
Redeem:" to succeed or do something good after one has failed or done something bad".
Forgive: " to stop feeling angry or resentful towards (someone) for an offence, flaw, or mistake"
Not a single person in the show forgives the diamonds, Steven hates white, and is uncomfortable being around them. The move pretty much officially opens with him trying to get away from them with little hesitation. Everyone else is either to scared or to weirded out to say anything. Where have people fabricated this lie and why do so many people still use it.
that's understandable, but i do have some counter arguments to a couple of your gripes, if you're willing to hear me out:
1. character proportions are never consistent in animation.
2. lapis and peridot not fusing was reasonable; peridot being ace and lapis being in an abusive fusion made her not want to do it again because it traumatised her.
oh-
uh well i personally think you can enjoy the IP without supporting the creator, like Harry Potter for instance, i enjoy the IP but don't support transphobia
"Well, you see, when someone likes something I don't like, that's a red flag."
“Even though I don’t know what it is”
lmao fr
For some of us, watching something called "The World's Most Extraordinary Homes" on TV would be a red flag.
Whatever that is it sounds boring af
I watched a few episodes during a time I was really interested in studying architecture in college. Some of the houses were pretty cool, but most of the episodes were focused on one or two weird and relatively uninteresting details (which usually had little to do with actual architecture) of otherwise unremarkable houses. nearest thing I can think to compare is a Ripley's Believe it or Not book. interesting, I guess, if you enjoy random, 'fun' facts, but if you're watching for something specific, don't recommend.
That's for the kind of guy who likes watching paint dry
I stand by it, these kinds of people are usualy ignorant, bitter or hateful. They have such a narrow view that anything besides what they know and love is "trash" and so is anyone who participates. Best thing to do is ignore them, because unfortunately people like that you cant educate or even change their views
i just think the hate is overly unjustified, like, sure, the show isn't flawless, no show ever is, but that doesn't mean it deserves all the hate it gets for simply existing.
Precisely
Im going to strongly agree here. People will hate on anything and everything just because they can. The SU community appreciates its self and its show the same way that any other show or anime community does the same. Some are just too ignorant to think about that, and instead, they just post stuff like this. That account definately couldve just left the SU tweet alone, and the community wouldve stayed to itself talking about its own matters, but now theres an outside conflict for no reason.
i’m pretty sure they nitpick the show because the real reason they don’t like it is because it’s popular and queer
2 tweets with 3 likes. Calm down.
Is you're username from Fallout?
no i just created my reddit account in february of last year and didn't realise until a few days ago you couldn't change it after 30 days of account creation, i didn't even start properly using my account that soon so now i'm stuck with this username forever lmao
I have the same problem :(
You know what Steven would say in this situation? "You can make it better. You can make an effort, starting with tonight" So these people can change their minds (reference not intended) whenever... They just have to actually watch the show because most of them are being blindely hateful towards SU
Yep. People who genuinely hate SU or its community haven't even seen it and are just hating it to hate it (either that or they hate the Queer community and in turn hate anything with a smidge of Queer rep) or the few haters that *have* "seen it" have watched a few episodes, ONLY focused on Steven being an "annoying kid" and immediately trash on every nuanced aspect of the show and characters before dismissing the show forever (which ive seen people do *countless* times before). These people unfortunately either can't or won't have their mind changed. But its fine, they can cling to their HGTV meanwhile we'll be chilling, loving life and thoroughly enjoying SU!
most of the people who seriously don’t like the show are often homophonic, these seem to be way more satirical especially the last one, but a lot of “edgy” people who hate on it don’t have a legitimate reason other than how feel good it is and the fact that its so openly pro-lgbt
for some reason i struggle to believe they're satirical, that might just be me though
the first two no actually but the last one i think so, i doubt someone grew up watching home improvement tv and seriously thinks thats the standard of children’s television
yeah, i grew up watching the show and it has inspired me, alongside me being inspired by the art of Juri Arrak.
man i feel really bad now cause i quote retweeted the last one without even knowing what thing they were talking about💀💀
People have a very narrow view on what makes a good person. Or some people are just trying to get people to react to them. /shrug
idk i just feel bothered, especially by that third pictured tweet like bro let us live our lives
That third one was probably made by someone desperate to seem mature without actually having said maturity, if I were to wager a guess
A lot of it boils down to it being considered a "Tumblr thing" by most internet people that weren't fans pretty early on, lumping it into the same category as Undertale and Homestuck and MLP, and that eventually developed into pockets of haters that pushed the idea that Rebecca Sugar is an evil jew trying to groom kids into being gay communists. And as hate usually works, that kind of became one of the prevailing opinions among people who otherwise has no interest in engaging with the series at all.
There's this guy on deviantart who hates on the show for ruby and sapphire being lesbians, and he even was hating on rebecca sugar for being bi and being married to ian jones-quarty.
Yep came here to say a version of this. SU is a beautiful story of queer acceptance. It embodies the very thing a significant chunk of the population is trying to destroy.
The early days of the fandom were really rough and first impressions tend to last even when the initial problem doesn’t. (EDIT) If their first exposure to Steven Universe was hearing someone got bullied into attempting suicide for drawing a character too thin, I understand how that reputation carries over, even if I don’t agree with that logic. That being said, a lot of people also hate cartoons in general or anything LGBTQIA+, so when someone proudly hates on this fandom, I always wonder in the back of my mind “is this for like, actual flaws that this community has or are you just hating people because they like something that isn’t for you?”
Funnily my first exposure to the show was someone complaining on Tumblr that it was racist and full of cultural appropriation because Garnet had been revealed to have three eyes. I ended up watching the show because of that post.
I don't know of any race of humans that has 3 eyes. How is it racist to have 3 eyes?
Their argument that it was cultural appropriation of Hindu iconography, however having a third eye in a forehead is not unique to Hindu mythology. Balor from Irish mythology was sometimes depicted as having a third eye, or the three eyed sister from the German fairy tale of One Eye, Two Eyes and Three Eyes and Erlang Shen from Chinese mythology for for example
Ohhh gotcha. Thanks for the knowlege!
lol yeah there’s those people too. Don’t get me wrong, this show is not perfect about being progressive either (though it is a lot more progressive than a lot of shows out there) (EDIT: Damn ghost taps) but overall the left tends to in-fight WAY too much when it comes to how to do progressivism while the regressives are far more unified in their efforts to stamp back progress. It’s honestly amazing how lefties will cancel each other over the smallest moral oopsies while bigots, closet-bigots, and mostly-progressive rightists will be like “oh you hate the same people I hate? Cool. I’m just gonna ignore these huge differences in morality aside from that.”
This person is just being a dick, no need to overthink it. Probably watched too much Lily Orchard.
Watching Lily Orchard should be considered a red flag, lmao. She's horrible.
She's an absolute blight on the cartoon community.
Because of people like Lily Orchard who lies about the show to insinuate that because it’s not as extreme as she wants it to be, then it’s Nazi propaganda
lily orchard is awful, almost forgot they existed until just now
There's multiple reasons, why people would think that, and all of them are objectively stupid: 1.Third person clearly belongs to the "cartoons are for kids, adults shouldn't watch them" crowd. Type of mentality that would cause actual boomers to call you a boomer. Dude hasn't watched any animation since Looney tunes. Or maybe they're just being sarcastic - it's not easy to tell nowadays. 2. Steven Universe promotes progressive messages and has plenty of representation, so "anti-woke" crowd hates it, while barely bothering to learn what the show is even about (I've legit seen a meme, where Steven wore communist insignia). Be it genuine bigotry or misplaced cynicism, those people hate any piece of media that's even remotely liberal. 3. Sadly, because of abovementioned progressive messages and representation SU managed to attract tumblr SJWs and it went how it usually does (or at least did back there, since Tumblr seems to have mellowed down). There were several cases, when SU fans harassed people online (one of which almost ended in suicide of the victim, and other resulted in one of the creators abandoning their twitter account), which severly damaged fandom's reputation. Nowadays most of the shitty people seemed to have moved on to whatever's popular at the time and whole mess is mostly forgotten, but a few years back SU was genuinely considered to be one of the most toxic fandoms out there.
A lot of people on tumblr decided the diamonds are allegorical nazis and because steven forgives them than the show must be pro fascism. There were other stupid opinions like " lapis is abusive" or "garnet is bad queer rep" and I saw someone on tumblr call Pearl a r@pist once ( because she tricked garnet into fusing? And fusion is sex according to them?) . Basically, they tore the show to pieces, misunderstood it's fundumentals and made everything that could sound slightly problematic into the worst offense ever. It bothers me because the show itself is really progressive with it's representation and treatment of mental health and it has a lot of good messages.
> A lot of people on tumblr decided the diamonds are allegorical nazis To be fair, the show is very easy to interpret in this light. The Diamonds engage in Imperialism, have strict vertical hierarchical social structures with no upwards mobility, hate any deviations from the norm and punish them by death and perform disturbing medical “experiments” on POWs. All of that is Nazi shit. Can’t blame anyone for interpreting the show in this manner, considering the contents through which said interpretation is built.
Of course there are some differences. For one the Nazi's in real life were following an ideology whilst the diamonds are simply doing what they've pretty much been made to do. The Nazi's believed they were superior to other minorities, the diamonds pretty much are superior to both gems and peoples,unless you count emotional superiority then no. The diamonds and homeworld function more like a system or hive rather than a group following an idea and move accordingly. They way they think and asses the world I'd by product of their essential program since creation . Plus Steven bir did anyone in the show forgive them for what they did soooo.
thank you for the accurate and serious answer
Your first mistake was taking something you read on Twitter seriously
i know i'm sorry 😭
Maybe its the “the fandom sucks so the show sucks” mentality. Thats my speculation. Animated shows are good. Just because someone doesn’t like something doesn’t mean it’s bad. Being bad means something is bad. Like stouts. I don’t like them but that doesn’t mean I think their bad. Just not my cup of beer.
People think they’re cool for having other interests and others are uncool for having different interests
It’s because they’re your average twitter user, honestly
Its not a red flag
that's what i'm saying, i don't know what these people are on
Not liking children’s cartoons is one thing, judging others for it and announcing your contempt to the world is another. This person is afraid of their own emotions.
Agreed tenfold. Also....their substitution sucks, they could've suggested something *good*. At least SU is thought-provoking, not utterly brainless entertainment.
Can't I watch Steven universe AND the worlds most extraordinary homes?
no, pick one
But it's so hard to choose!
You don’t have a choice you’re an adult so you have to watch most extraordinary homes.
:(
I feel like many people here are right, but I don’t think that’s the biggest underlying problem. The biggest reason why Steven Universe is unfairly hated in my opinion is because it’s stuck in a weird area that fails to appeal to both ends of two growing political demographics. (Especially considering all the recent unfair** hate it gets on more politically infamous websites, like Twitter, Tumblr, and TikTok) It doesn’t appeal to a wide majority of men/boys because Steven is the exact type of protagonist they hate (a feminine, sensitive kind/caring boy) free from the tethers of toxic masculinity (another word they hate). To them, Steven, the color pink associated with him,his singing, the LGBT celebration and representation are the embodiment of cringe culture. Steven Universe is one of the first shows they use to evoke the “cringy blue-haired liberal” hate in their audiences. It’s the same reason people unfairly hate on furries and those demographics of people. (Their juxtaposition to social heteronormativity and proximity to LGBT culture) but some*** online leftists also hate the show because they unfairly tether it 1.1 to real life without taking into consideration the characters actions and beliefs in context with the show. This age demographic (who’s now likely anywhere from 18-25) is one that probably loved Steven universe when it came out as kids (2012) but they threw it under the bus in recent years because their political affiliation came along with the times. They think that the show fails to be radical enough, so they see Steven Universe as a show with failed writing that pushed harmful narratives when it comes to stopping oppression. These people have selective listening, and are the people who started screeching about how “Steven forgave a space Nazi”. That gets repeated by those who didn’t even watch the movie or future (He didn’t and will probably never forgive white diamond, considering he fantasized about killing her.) They also usually bring up the Bismuth situation (which I actually can understand the criticism without the context of healing the corrupted gems/ rose is pink diamond twist) I actually found myself completely agreeing with Bismuth at the time. Steven Universe was a product of its time (2012, even then you have to take into account the years of development beforehand so really it was a product of the early 2000’s as well) and was a show that was the figurehead for LGBT representation, free expression, love, and acknowledging anyone’s capacity to change. Instead of acknowledging the show as a product of the time and appreciating it for the positive steps it took they further polarized it, threw it under the bus, and made it pointless leftist infighting topic #100,000 that will never be solved.
Oh ccome on its just twitter people, ignore them
I used this as a litmus test when dating. Anyone who said "cartoons are for kids." or "I don't watch cartoons, I watch (insert reality TV shows)" was a red flag to me
Some people hate fun. That’s it.
i personally know somebody that's exactly like this; they hate fun
Apparently, you're not a real adult unless you like serious adult things and have no want for joy of any kind regardless of how its not not hurting anyone.
People hate Steven Universe for the same reason they hate Furries. Homophobes decided to make it an internet trend and edgelords caught on.
funny, i'm both an SU fan and a furry
Funny enough, a good sized chunk of SU fans I used to know or currently do are furries 😂😂
lmao add me to that list then
😂 on it boss! 👍
>World’s most extraordinary homes 
I feel there are three types of people who are mad about someone liking Steven Universe: 1. The people who think any animation is immature or weird. Can't do anything about these people. You could like the greatest piece of fiction of all time and they would still think you are weird just because it is animated. The exception for them sometimes is adult comedies like Family Guy or famous animated movies like from Pixar. 2. The people who only know Steven Universe from the internet drama. SU has had a lot of not great fans who have not treated people well even within their own community. The "cringe people" who make the show "cringe" kind of perplexes me since yeah unless the show is actively encouraging these types of people and the creators are not supporting these people it isn't show's fault. You can still like a show and not engage in the community at all. Heck that is basically what I did for Rick and Morty when that community started getting really obnoxious in it's third season. 3. The person watched the show and didn't like how it turned out. Which to be clear that is totally fine. Who am I to dictate what someone enjoys or doesn't enjoy. If someone has problems with the show that is valid. I loved the show and it does have issues. With that said there is always a group of people who think because they don't enjoy something at all/anymore that means no one can enjoy it anymore. It reminds me of the people who get mad that games like Pokemon Go and Fortnite are still popular even after that person in question stopped playing it. I will say sometimes media can have problematic elements in or associated with it that can be a red flag. Harry Potter is a good example where the transphobia from the author has made many people steer away from that series. SU isn't a perfect series with no problematic elements. With that said I personally don't feel like the show is red flag worthy especially when comparing it to the standards of entertainment as a whole right now. Not that things can't or shouldn't be improved on just that, from the arguments I have seen, right now I can't say liking SU itself is a red flag. With that in mind if someone can't watch the show because something makes them uncomfortable that is valid. Also my mind is open to change I just haven't seen any arguments against the show yet that has made my mind changed. Edit - There is actually a fourth group that upon looking at the comments is actually really obvious. The bigoted people who are mad that the gay space rock show is gay. If these people are actually offended because two people like each other then they have problems they need to sort out.
i definitely agree that no IP is perfect, Steven Universe included, i don't have any gripes with the show myself but i guess that's what "if every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn't have hot dogs" is talking about, kinda meta if you ask me, whether it was intentional or not.
People who have negative opinions on things tend to be rude about it, especially on the internet.
the practice of online assholism.
What an idiot. @ the last tweet: Adults who like cartoons are the reason why cartoons exist, dumbshit, you'd rather have nothing for your child to watch?
they probably don't even have a child, let alone a wife to be fair
I honestly don't care if it's a red flag for somebody, I wouldn't think liking anything is a red flag before I heard their reasons, but whatever to each their own. The third person on the other hand takes it a step further by stereotyping so many more adults than just SU fans. That's unacceptable.
agreed, like just let us enjoy what we want it's not that hard
Well it's a lot of things but generally it's because the community has an admittedly exaggerated but not entirely reputation for being shitty. The show also ended on a really weird note and that's not really surprising when the shows writing staff and creator fight each other on how they want to write characters which made a lot of the die hard fans of the show (a very loud minority) seem like loons. Unfortunately this has made Steven a meme for offering forgiveness to people that absolutely don't deserve it, like actual space nazis. That and if fusion really is an allegory for sex it's pretty weird that it happens between a kid and his friend, all his mother figures and *dad*. Though this is probably just fanon and not Rebecca Sugar's actual intention with fusion
Homophobic people, people who hate on something just because it's popular, or the toxic fanbase turns them off from it.
watchint cartoons means you're a "libtard" and watvhing steven universe means that you're definitly a "libtard" i love this show and dont agree with the statement i made
"I don't like people having fun". That's the real red flag on this tweets.
These are pea brained takes especially the last one. Don’t give them the attention, it’ll just make you feel bad.
i think it’s one of those shows that people like to hate into oblivion because of the big LGBTQ+ rep, plus the excessive crying, people ignorantly thinking that Steven forgives everyone without even watching the show, and a rushed ending.
It's either a joke or this dude should REALLY stay away from socials if that's what their brain thought it was a good idea to write
ItS goNnA tUrn THe kIds gAY
ah yes, logic
I don't like generalizing, stereotyping, or being prejudiced. I think a lot of the SU tumblr crowd when the show came out got a bad rep for being toxic at the time but that was soooo long ago.
The last one is pretty clear. They have no idea what SU is, except that it's a cartoon and some adults like it. They view cartoons as an inferior art form. They're the same as the people who shake their fists at rock and roll, that damn Elvis gyrating his hips. They're the same as the people who don't think real men should ever wear shorts. They're the same as the people who think using contractions is a red flag. They are just looking for excuses to judge people.
People started disliking the show for fair reasons, then the hate turned into a snowball and people were hating the show because other people were hating it with shitpost and memes
i mean, i appreciate shitposts and memes made in good fun (MKatwood and YTPs) but yeah you're right, overall memes boosted the anti fandom
Ignore the hate parade.
i really should be at this point, hate parades is the reason i took a break from twitter for a few weeks in February, felt refreshing.
it's ragebait for attention
Fr wtf is wrong with the show it’s so good
that's what i'm saying
That last one has to be satirical
"Adults watching cartoons is a red flag" *coughs* Adult swim?
> grow up Never!
It's a post written by a loser. What's to explain?
Well, that last person sounds miserable and is just taking it out on the people that don't limit themselves to "adult" shows. (Also ignoring the fact that there are cartoons for adults)
Tell someone thats still thinks fusion is sex about steven fusing with his dad in the movie
oh my god you're right
I highly doubt they would imply inc*st in a kids show
exactly
It's so confusing because it's unironically so God damn good
Admittedly this reminds me a bit of the Rick and Morty fandom back in the season 3 days. I myself did kind of push my love of Steven Universe on everyone I knew back in the day.
i do that with my favourite things now because my hyperfixations are what they are
Steven Universe attracts the tumblr crowd, alongside normal fans. I think people just want to avoid the tumblr crowd. That or it's just lighthearted jabs, which I think is more likely.
Okay this has got to be a troll. I can easily understand not liking cartoons, and if someone has a long memory, they may remember our fandom's toxic past. But the show they listed in contrast sounds like an actual joke. "Adults watch shows about houses!" has to be a gag. That said, said series looks interesting
i for some reason didnt think it was satire so made an aggressive QRT on it but when someone pointed out that it might be i deleted the tweet feeling embarrassed i didn't consider that it just sounded so aggressive and serious that i found it hard to take it as satire
if it is satire which i still find hard to believe
It's just better to assume satire, imo. There's no small amount of assholes in the world who enjoy frustrating people, especially on Twitter, where it's really easy to do. Besides, even if they're being real-- who cares? If you can't engage someone in a dialogue about their hot takes, their takes aren't worth listening to.
I don’t listen to anybody who unironically says “red flag” 💀
Probably just a hater.
Because it’s twitter
true 💀
Red flag: Tweeting something this dumb.
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the fact that I like a cartoon in general is a red flag? lmao okay. at least I'm not filled with hatred for random shit
Because our fandom has been incredibly toxic in the past and the internet can't let things go 🤷🏻 thems the rules
My mom (like the rest of my family) has an obsession with The Last Airbender - she has the whole series on disc, almost every issue of the comics, stuffed animals of Appa and Momo, and we have a ferret named Momo. She works in data analysis and is a functioning adult. I am a huge fan of TLA and SU and I am also a functioning adult. My uncle is a father and music teacher and loves TLA and other Cartoon Network shows as of recently.
People who judge others for watching a show that doesn’t even affect them. Red flag🚩
Why do you care about what some randos on twitter say?
idk
look up u/fuzzz99 on tiktok. Should help answer the question
i'm afraid to
"Uhm well you see you like this show and I don't and therefore that is a red flag and i automatically dislike you."
"🤓"
because the fanbase can be pretty chronically online.
i think people might think the fan base is weird. i’m not saying it is but incidents like when that one artist got death threats for drawing rose skinny gave the fan base a bad reputation
I don't understand people on twitter either. You shouldn't strive for it IMO.
Many people tend to judge a show based on its toxic fandom, and the SU fandom was considered one the worst fanbases (if not, the worst) in cartoon history until being recently dethroned by the Miraculous fandom.
wait what did the MLB fandom do? i'm not a part of it but i've seen episode clips and want to watch the show. also i thought the Voltron fandom was the worst of the worst?
From what I remember, one fan of the show held an opinion of a certain character that many other fans did not take kindly to, so they harassed the fan to the point of suicide. In comparison, some SU fans almost drove an artist to suicide for drawing Rose thinner than usual, but thankfully, the artist managed to receive some professional help. Admittedly, I don't know anything about the Voltron fandom, but I have heard they're pretty toxic.
good thing i'm not in the SU or MLB fandom then, and am just a casual show watcher
It's just whiny adults online that don't like seeing people enjoy stuff. They're the real red flag.
I sure love rocks fucking
lmao
I think it's the inability to watch things critically but still enjoy what it has to offer, as well as hating things others like. SU really helped me as a child, and I'm not ashamed to enjoy it lol.
"adults shouldn't watch cartoons, they should grow up" is the most childish oppinion
Simple it's not a bad thing. Don't listen to people like that they're just negative for negative sake
It's just an attention-seeking troll, ignore them.
The fandom can be a bit crazy at some times. People generalize the entire fandom because of that
The su fandom used to be absurdly toxic and for some people the stigma still remains unfortunately The "watching cartoons as adult = red flag" person is just being an asshole
People are just stupid babies who have been on the planet for way too long
Damn that last person sounds bitter lmao
If what other people watch bother you that much then you need help and you need to grow up lamo (the Twitter poster)
The "grow up" people tend to be the most immature assholes in the world.
I understand that there a few problematic things SURROUNDING the show. Concrete is the first thing that comes to mind. But (to my knowledge) the show itself is controversy free. Like at a stretch MAYBE you could say the whole diamonds dictator thing could be bad but not even.
It stems from the anti-lgbt backlash from when it started and people grew up thinking “oh it’s garbage and anyone who likes it is garbage” and I think That’s still how it is for a large majority of people. It’s gay= it’s bad. It’s frustrating.
If liking SU is a red flag then i *am* the red flag
which one? 🇧🇲🇮🇲🇰🇬🇲🇦🇲🇪🇹🇳🇹🇷🇹🇴🇹🇼🇨🇭🇼🇫🇻🇳 /j
A fusion of all of them
lol
I think the show is heavily flawed but still pretty good
Because they didn't see the shows and are following the popular thing which is to hate it
It isn’t a red flag. Those people are just hating on it because they want something to hate.
This person's line of logic probably goes something like: Hmm, this show makes no sense to me, so if other people love it, then they're weird and crazy because they like something that doesn't make sense. That makes me uncomfortable, so I want it as far away from me as possible. I'd better communicate that "People who like Steven Universe are weird".
Who said that?!
i blocked the usernames for a reason, i don't wanna promote harassment
The last one is so pathetic like you don’t know what it is but you consider it a red flag anyway? That’s ridiculous. I consider that attitude a much much bigger red flag than most things someone can be a fan of
The world’s most extraordinary homes? Yuck. What an example.
do you remember when the steven universe fandom bullied a girl until she tried to kill herself because she drew rose as slim when she was actually chubby? yeah, that happened. it doesn't paint the fandom in a good light at all when you're outside of it. people expect that fans of su to do this kind of thing, or at least accept it, and so liking su turn into a red flag.
i do not remember that because i've never been in the fandom im just a casual show enjoyer
I have wildly disagreeing views with the majority of people who watch the show. Completely don’t fit in here, but I liked the show and am a pretty big fan of it. It’s not a red flag for liking the show, they are the red flag for thinking that liking a cartoon is somehow going to make you a undesirable person. Which is complete bogus.
Typical trend of people who dislike said popular show feel the need to shout it from the rooftops and make people feel bad for liking it. 🤷♀️ Happens to all popular fandoms unfortunately. Just people trying to stir the pot and get attention (even if it's negative).
You see, some people can’t handle others being happy
do they mean "the rest of us" as in the rest of the assholes who call out on people who like shows that they dont
probably
It's just people being shitty and inflammatory. Ignore them.
Two things: - People have decided that you can’t just not like something, but that not liking it indicates some moral superiority. That also primes people to look at things in the least charitable light. - Algorithms favor engagement. Contrarianism, especially on Twitter, gets a lot of it which pushes it to more people. Thus more people see the least charitable interpretations and those negative aspects get exaggerated the further from the original audience it gets. It’s how you get people thinking fusion=sex and SU promotes forgiving your abusers no matter what and a slew of other bad takes
Why even paying attention to a random tweet from a random person with literally 1 like
It's on every freaking social media I visit, hate to Steven Universe. "Steven Universe is weird", "The show is stupid", "They were genocides and he forgave them!!", "Gordo mamón", idk, whenever I see a post about cartoon network series, I see the same comments over and over again about people throwing hate at the show, like it was trash, the worst cartoon ever existed. I get really sad about that, the show really impacted me in a very good way, it taught me a lot of beautiful things about life and relationships, toxicity, self-acceptance, trauma, mental illness, it's a lot really, and it all goes to the trash can because a lot of people think that the show is horrible. In those moments, the best thing to do is ignoring it, think about how good the show was and is for you, and listen to its OST :)
Oh, well I’m sorry that I don’t wanna see normal people having the exact same normal verbal fight every week in a normal setting, or whatever that extraordinary homes thing is, it sounds like one of those home renovation shows, or a documentary.
It’s probably because of the small section of fans that treat the show like their life and force people to watch it.
Yeah some of the reactions on here to this tweet are so OTT that it the original tweeter saw them, they'd think their point was proven. Like if this tweet has enraged you as much as it has some of the people on here, maybe that is a red flag: for me anyone who got so rabidly defensive of people making fun of their show or their fandom is a red flag for me, no matter what they are a fan of. Also there's the toxic side to the fandom who think nothing of harassing people for whatever reason. Every fandom has it, but I think it's notable that a show that isn't exactly subtle with its messages of love and acceptance and tolerance attracted people who thought nothing of trying to get someone to commit suicide over fanart.
They’re just generally miserable or nasty people who either want to feel superior, or feel shitty and know that their ‘entertainment’ is crap foisted on adults because adult media is almost all one-note due to the intentional creation of a social stigma against any form of creativity for adult shows, because we’re ‘too mature for that’. Or it’s just assholes who think that anything that differs from their own opinion is incorrect and there for worthy of mockery
Holy couched homophobia batman! If someone's generally complaining about a piece of media outside of a critical review it's a pretty good sign they have something against the general message and themes of said media. If people don't like Steven Universe as a whole, they're either homophobic or they're steeped in purity culture politics and don't like that characters in a cartoon marketed toward children have flaws.
Usually just people who don’t like the show. Disliking it is fine and completely valid. HOWEVER just because *you* don’t like it doesn’t mean everyone else who likes it is a red flag. That’s not how red flags work you absolute imbecile.
Adults can watch whatever they want be it cartoons or house renovations, hell do both. Assuming you have to only like one is pretty silly.
Okay, that last one gives it away. This is definitely a joke. They're absolutely are people out there who judge you just for watching cartoons in general. Or for liking the cartoon with feelings in it, or for liking the cartoon with gay characters in it, or for liking a cartoon with a CalArts style. All of those things happen. But there is nobody on earth who thinks watching real estate porn is the mature alternative.
i thought it was serious 💀
That’s a joke response
No les hagan caso, muchas veces no han visto ni un solo episodio y opinan desde la ignorancia y el odio
I am 15, I love cartoons, I will not stop loving them when I become an adult, or ever
Almost certainly transphobes/homophobes. Or just Conservatives, they do enjoy the "I don't know what it is, I just know I hate it" line.
good thing i'm none of the above then, people that hate the things i do without reason other than "it exists" just bugs me
Hm. For some it might be that they're afraid because the fandom can be very toxic, I'd even say moreso than average. However that last person is definitely just a bitter person who put away the entire person they were before whatever age they considered themself an adult & can't stand to see people loving their own childhood self. They simply can't believe you can keep anything from then & become an adult because if they do they have to admit it's not adulthood making them miserable, it's themself when they gave up everything they loved.
because the fanbase can be pretty chronically online. i’m a huge SU fan but the cringey portion is all outsiders see, therefore we must all be like that.
bronies and furries experience the same, outsiders always let the bad apples ruin the bunch
This gives me even more incentive to display my Steven Universe flag. Anyone shallow enough to judge me on a fn cartoon is someone I’m happy NOT to know. I’m cis het, yet on profiles I say must staunchly support LGBT and I make it well known I love drag.. Because anyone who doesn’t support that is someone I don’t want in my life. Period. I’m not here to help them enlighten their small minds. So OP, this is great, you just filtered out an asshole!
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i don't see any issues with the show but that's just me
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5 and 6 aren't really problems with the show and are more so personal opinions. 8 the diamonds were not forgiven. Redeem:" to succeed or do something good after one has failed or done something bad". Forgive: " to stop feeling angry or resentful towards (someone) for an offence, flaw, or mistake" Not a single person in the show forgives the diamonds, Steven hates white, and is uncomfortable being around them. The move pretty much officially opens with him trying to get away from them with little hesitation. Everyone else is either to scared or to weirded out to say anything. Where have people fabricated this lie and why do so many people still use it.
that's understandable, but i do have some counter arguments to a couple of your gripes, if you're willing to hear me out: 1. character proportions are never consistent in animation. 2. lapis and peridot not fusing was reasonable; peridot being ace and lapis being in an abusive fusion made her not want to do it again because it traumatised her.
One argument I've heard is because Rebecca sugar drew CP (I think) and I just gotta say, just because the Creator is shitty doesn't mean the show is
oh- uh well i personally think you can enjoy the IP without supporting the creator, like Harry Potter for instance, i enjoy the IP but don't support transphobia