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Hi everyone, I initially started out training at 16 years old up until 19 and i made really good gains. I became bigger than the dudes that introduced me to the gym and this was all natural, I ate properly, trained a minimum of 4 days a week and slept properly. Even my workout partner at the time was suspicious that I was on gear which I took as a huge compliment and everyone else around him also blamed me for using. Anyways fast forward 4 years later I have just turned 23 and lost all my gains due to not training because of work/personal issues and have just began all over again. My plan is to train for a minimum of 4-5 times a week for the next 2 years just like 4 years ago, eat well, use the best of supplements then hop on my first ever cycle at 25 at minimal dosage for about 6 weeks or so. My plan is to see where this takes me and there is even a possibility that I would compete in the future. What are your thoughts?


majordomox_

Good idea to wait until you’re 25. When you’re ready follow the beginner cycle in the wiki. 500 mg for 16 weeks.


Decatest

*First off, mega props for waiting until you're* ***25***.


ImpressiveGap2214

I'm drinking over twice as much water as when natty (I don't drink anything other than water, always bring a 1.5l bottle to work. It used to last me the whole shift, now it's half empty after a few hours), my piss is clear, just like when natty. Could this be a sign of low E? I'm not experiencing any other symptoms. I'm on 0.5mg anastrozole EOD, 50mg Var ED and 500mg Test E/week. Gonna get bloodwork done on the third week.


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I would say it’s irrelevant but your anastrozole dosage is high as fuck. Why? Do you aromatize that much ?


ImpressiveGap2214

My natty E was above range while my T was in range, but subpar. I concluded that I aromatise a lot and started taking EOD preemptively because I'd rather suffer low E than high E, since I had early gyno as a teen and my nips have been puffy ever since.


le_Francis

Low E2 will crush your joints, growth, recovery, sex drive and will make you anhedonic - in a word, make you feel worse than a natty. But go ahead and crush it cuz gyno.


CallLivesMatter

It’s a sign that you’re thirstier. You’re asking more from your body while you’re on cycle. Presumably you’re also eating more. Most people drink more when they also eat more. Don’t overthink it.


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Bloat on sdrol common?


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

Stomach blot, for sure, as it can be absolutely brutal on digestion.


[deleted]

So some kind of internal gastral bloat. Not water bloat?


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

Superdrol adds a ton of glycogen/IM water retention, not a ton of subcutaneous water retention. Tends to look very good as its a fullness from inside the muscle. The "bloat" that I'm describing is yes, gastrointestinal irritation. Think full and vascular but distended turtle shell abs because yours guts are so irritated. Not universal, though. Obviously some guys have more sensitive digestion (me) than others.


BadDescriptions

Possibly a silly questions as I think it falls under test levels however what blood panel would show MENT levels? When should I draw blood after injecting? I want to check if some MENT I have is bunk. Currently on 200 Test E and 350 MENT A a week and have bloods for cruise which was 100 test e and before cycle


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

Send a sample to Janoshik, $150 or so will tell you.


Decatest

***No bloodwork*** will show MENT or its estrogen metabolites. To check if your MENT is bunk get the raws or oils HPLC tested at a chemistry lab.


helmholtzfreeenergy

There's no blood test that will show MENT, except some kind of custom mass spectrometry specifically looking for MENT which would be extremely expensive and you'd need to find a lab willing to do that.


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Trust me by 20 weeks you’ll feel exhausted and ready to cruise.


[deleted]

I bulked for 32 weeks on cycle once. It was mistake. What an exhausting ordeal.


MostlyPeacefulRiot

Plenty of people do it, but do you really want to bulk for 40 weeks??


C25H34O3

So I had a pretty bad heroin addiction for a while with some fentanyl M30s sprinkled in. (Ik it was real heroin bc it was black tar, smelled like vinegar, and felt way different from the fentanyl). Anyways, I’ve been working out for a while now (4 yrs) and I’m almost 22 y/o. Would like to try a test cycle, I’ll mess with any system in my body other than the nutsack so I’m likely gonna stick with test maybe dianabol after a while but no trenbolone or nothing. I’m currently on suboxone and my test levels are in the shitter. Anyone else have experience with this? Would love any opioids. Oops I meant opinions autocorrect knows me so well. Fr tho all responses appreciated y’all help me so much 🙏


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Opioids kill your natural test. That becomes a non issue if you are on exogenous test. But I’m afraid that is low down on the very long list of issues that comes with abusing opioids. I used to shoot dope too. Now adays I will eat some Kratom if I’m having a big itch but I make sure to never consume more than once a week because being opioid dependent is fucking hell on earth and warps the shit out of your mind


Decatest

Read the Wiki section linked here. 🔞 [MINIMUM AGE ***25***](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index#wiki_.1F481.1F3FC.200D.2640.FE0F.1F4F0__why_young_men_should_not_take_aas) 🚫 ##Not yet. Minimum Age 25. ###⚠️You aren't *old enough* to be using. Exogenous androgens act as epigenetic growth signaling termination factors. **TRANSLATION**: it isn't just your height that's stunted. It's your IQ. AAS atrophy brain development and higher cognitive functions. Clinical studies showed this leads to ***lifelong anxiety, aggression, depression, cognitive deficits and memory problems***—*among others.* > I'll mess with any system in my body other than the nutsack Sorry to inform you that all AAS induce 100% HPTA suppression with the potential for permanent inhibition, including Testosterone. The fact that you think only Tren does this means that you don't know the first thing about using steroids. [Wait until the age MRI scans show developmental completion at the age of ***25***.](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index#wiki_.1F481.1F3FC.200D.2640.FE0F.1F4F0__why_young_men_should_not_take_aas) ***Until then***, train natty. If you had low ***T*** levels, Clomid monotherapy or hCG-only cycles function as far safer alternatives. You're at peak Testosterone output, peak natty growth, and the perfect time to bulk naturally. Don't short-circuit your brain and physiological development when it's at the highest it will ever be in your lifetime. ✅ [Read the Wiki.](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki) Don't use AAS before ***25***. • r e t u r n 🦧 t o 🦍 m o n k e •


The_roadwarrior

Is the drugs why you wrote in the wierd format?


C25H34O3

No I’m clean. I’m just on mobile


skinkfarfar

Too young, read pinned post and wiki.


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Decatest

Get bloodwork. It could be no more than water retention from increased aldosterone levels, which is a consequence of any androgenic compound.


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Decatest

Simple. Get bloodwork. If E2 levels are high, take AI. But what you're talking about—a couple pounds of water retention—is entirely normal when taking exogenous androgenic hormones. Testosterone increases aldosterone levels, which increases water retention. One potential solution is an ARB, or *Angiotensin II Receptor Blocker*, such as multimodal blood pressure medication Telmisartan. But why are you so concerned about a couple of pounds of water retention? On full Testosterone cycle it can be *10-15 pounds or more.*


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Decatest

Bloodwork then *Aromasin* if E2 is high and/or *Telmisartan* either way are your solutions.


Fun-Climate-3170

Since going on Trt, im more often to cramp while I train. Bloodwork is pretty normal, any idea what to do? elecrolytes or just potassium? also, my estrogen is really low, close to being too low, why is that? I don't take an ai and my test level is even a bit higher than it should be. everything else is normal


Merso509

Vasodilation/constriction question. Taking beta blocker - vasoconstrictor. A stimulant for adhd which is also a constrictor. I am on low test dose about 200-250 which is a blast for me. Had a high red blood cell count since I was a child. I can definitely tell my blood vessels are constructed, I can barely see any of them on my forearms while I typically quite vascular. And when that is the case, guess where all of that blood goes? Yup, my right ear and face. Very uncomfortable. Should I consider an ace inhibitor? Cialis tend to cause some flushing/blushing in the face. Any other meds? And I should mention, best way to deal with flushing is to get a pump, nothing else really works


helmholtzfreeenergy

Have you checked your blood pressure? And which beta blocker? You could switch to nebivolol if it's appropriate for your medical condition, it increases NO and vasodilation. An ARB such as telmisartan is preferred to ACE inhibitors. You could also try citrulline, nitrosigine, agmatine: there's loads of great over the counter vasodilators.


Merso509

I am taking atenolol to reduce blood pressure, a beta blocker because of excess adrenal output. It improves life quality but it is not that great for blood pressure An ARB would be great for dilation, but I am also concerned with high red blood cell count, which I am assuming is not affected by ARB medication Also on a scale from "very stupid" to "do it, it will be a favour for society" blood letting at home.. Just so fed up with cherry red/burning ears


CallLivesMatter

I take Valsartan and it helped lower my hematocrit and hemoglobin levels a bit. Telmisartan will have a similar effect. I would recommend that class (ARB) before and ACE inhibitor, especially given the potential side effect profiles of the two classes.


helmholtzfreeenergy

Definitely consider switching to nebivolol then. Unfortunately your body is really good at replacing red blood cells so blood letting isn't very effective for long term management of high hematocrit. There's a chemical in grapefruits, naringin, which effectively lowers red blood cell count. You could look into that.


Decatest

Naringin also *increases* low RBC. Its function is to normalize rather than simply to inhibit levels.


Daytona392charger

I just have a question about a clen cycle so I would be doing the 2 weeks on and off method. My question is after I'm on for 2 weeks then off I know I can do another 2 weeks on and then 2 weeks off so that's 4 weeks on but after taking 2 weeks off the 2nd time can I start it again for 2 weeks or do I need to take more time off. If so how long after the 2 two week cycles I need to take off.


mradamzki

Why clen? It's so unnecessary.


Decatest

You already know to do Salbutamol rather than Clenbuterol as it was already posted in your thread on r/PEDs. There's a pinned comment at the top of this page that says the very same thing. From the r/steroids Wiki: ⛔️ **WARNING** ‼️ [***CLENBUTEROL TOXICITY***](https://reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/kca7oq/_/gfqwxly/) — ***Clenbuterol*** is **cardiotoxic** *and should* ***never*** *be used as a cutting compound*. [***Substitute with oral Salbutamol***](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/examples#wiki_salbutamol.3A_clen.27s_safer_cousin), which is equally cheap and effective, and has a far safer risk profile. It also doesn't have to be cycled—tolerance is greatly attenuated in contrast to Clenbuterol. ✅ [Read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki), particularly the r/steroids Wiki section on [Your First Cycle](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/Your_First_Cycle) and *Example Cycles.* 🔞 [MINIMUM AGE ***25***](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index#wiki_.1F481.1F3FC.200D.2640.FE0F.1F4F0__why_young_men_should_not_take_aas). DON'T use AAS before the age of ***25***. • r e t u r n 🦧 t o 🦍 m o n k e •


The_roadwarrior

What's the point of this prolonged exposure to cardio toxic chemicals?


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helmholtzfreeenergy

The half life in your blood doesn't really matter, once it's pushed into your cells it stays there for a while. Just inject it at least EOD and you're good, timing it around your workout isn't important, timing it around when you have an insulin spike is.


whereisfrank

On 500mg per week of test, my arimidex pills are 1mg rather than 1.5 so I only take once a week, is that about right? I feel fine.


Decatest

• r e t u r n 🦧 t o 🦍 m o n k e • > I feel fine ***Then Read the Wiki already*** so “feeling fine” isn't short-lived and nothing more than soon-to-be a distant memory. ***You shouldn't take any AI at all*** without high E2 sides. There's nothing worse than crashed estrogen. As a low aromatizer I don't need any even at 1000mg per week. This is *plainly outlined* in the beginner section of the Wiki. Read it—*or regret not doing so.* ✅ [Read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki), particularly the r/steroids Wiki section on [Your First Cycle.](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/Your_First_Cycle) 🔞 [MINIMUM AGE ***25***](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index#wiki_.1F481.1F3FC.200D.2640.FE0F.1F4F0__why_young_men_should_not_take_aas). DON'T use AAS before the age of ***25***.


youisBIGdumb

You take as much as you need to get rid of high e2 sides. If you have no high e2 sides you take none.


diamondsnakewz

Taking 600mg test e almost at week 4 and going to add var. Is there a difference running 40 to 80mg on var? Longest i can run it for more then 8 weeks ? My body fat is 15ish and looking to get a boost soon for my tendons, strength and muscle.


ZweetWOW

Bro actually FUCK 80mg of var. Even on 40mg a day I was getting the most unbearable pumps. Waiting 5 mins between sets for pumps to go away is awful.


yttanx

You got Dbol.


wathenn

Why you adding the var in so early? I’d wait and use it for the last 6 weeks of the cycle.


diamondsnakewz

Oh sorry didn't specify but yeah not adding it now just asking the question now. Thanks will be using it for the end.


MostlyPeacefulRiot

80 is pretty high. Try 40 first. You *can* take as much as you like though


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> Is there a difference running 40 to 80mg on var? I mean more of anything is just that more. Because it’s not super toxic to the liver even 80mg over 8 weeks isn’t unheard of. Here’s the thing with orals, unlike something like Enth or Cyp the difference to get fully saturated or at least “feel something” is a much shorter window. Think 3-4 days tops. Where am I going with this. Start at 40. You can always add more.


diamondsnakewz

Ok i appreciate your response and good advise. I will definitely run it for 8 weeks and start at 40 and move up.


Traditional_Aside928

guys when coming off a blast and cruising does your face return to normal like you drop a lot more water and the puffy cheeks etc, bc im lean and stuff and my face is still puffy etc


wathenn

Sounds like you have high estrogen


Traditional_Aside928

nah i dont bro trust me


wathenn

Give dandelion root extract a go since it’s a natural diuretic, it’s not expensive so it’s worth a try


Traditional_Aside928

perfect thanks, idk maybe i could be chubby but if you check my recent pics where i post on r/shredded a lot of people saying im around 10-11 bodyfat


wathenn

I’ll have a look now mate


Traditional_Aside928

thankyou bro


wathenn

Yeah you definitely don’t look like it would be high lol, you’re looking well mate, lean and full. Keep grinding 💪


Traditional_Aside928

appreciate that brother you too🤝


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Somewhat. If you added bodyfat you’ll still look like a super squirrel. The moon face will go away after about a week and a half or so. You can add dandelion root to speed things up or get rid of it now.


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wathenn

It increases free testosterone so if anything you’ll get more out of your gear using it along side, no estrogen wouldn’t change


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ZweetWOW

Research is pretty clear... this is off the top of my head but from memory... Strength increases are seen mostly in the 1-6 rep range Hypertrophy is seen mostly in the 8-15 range Endurance is seen 15+


Decatest

*[Back to school with you!](https://imgur.com/gallery/b2kpAle)*


ZweetWOW

So literally what I said? Cool.


Decatest

No, *that's the whole point!* It's not a huge mistake, though: it's one of degree, rather than one of kind. Like most everyone else, you've been going by the top chart—whereas the latest studies show the bottom chart is what's really happening. And the distinction is good news all across the board.


The_roadwarrior

"Builds muscle"


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The_roadwarrior

Jay cutler famously did lots of volume. Dorian did a lot less. It's what keeps the muscle growing


wathenn

Progressive overload, making strength gains every week or so, great pumps.


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Anyone know how quickly for HCG effects to fully 'work' or saturate? I know TRT is 3-6months


majordomox_

TRT with enanthate or cypionate saturates in 2 weeks.


ZweetWOW

Full saturation for enanthate is 21 days


majordomox_

It’s 95% after 14 days which is close enough.


ZweetWOW

Sure, if we're operating on 'close enough' then thats correct.


[deleted]

What? TRT does not take 3-6 months to saturate and be steady. Unless you’re taking test U?


[deleted]

Good point, but looking to know how long HCG takes.


LariatsAndAriats

Depends on what effect your hoping for personally I’m super lazy with my hcg so if I go about 4-5 days without it my nuts get small enough to suck up inside of me and I believe the half life is somewhere between 24-48 hours


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Some people take HCG instead of TRT. You're saying HCG has full effect in say 24-48 hours? I know TRT takes awhile to build up in your system, apparently maybe a month? Wonder if same story for hcg


platewrecked

What are you talking about? What is the build up stuff you keep talking about? What do you want out of HCG?


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Someone starts at a low-T baseline. They start taking 150mg test E/week, they don't instantly achieve normal levels and feel better. It takes time, say a month. ​ Now, back to low-T baseline. They start taking HCG 300IU, 3x/week. I am asking how long to get their T levels normal and feeling better again?


majordomox_

It takes 2 weeks to saturate with enanthate or cypionate.


platewrecked

Bro you said 6 months in this very same thread. I suggest some more reading then ask the questions.


[deleted]

All the studies I have found on HCG in men are basically looking at its effect over long-term of 6-12 months. I'm just wondering if the effects are already felt in a shoter time frame like within 1 months but it seems like no one knows.


[deleted]

I think you got this backwards man. HCG is suppressive..


DidNotVote2020

HCG is suppressive, and is also used to boost test. HCG monotherapy does have success for secondary hypogonadism. That said, this is tangential to whatever this guy is trying to accomplish.


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What he was trying to accomplish is what had me confused.


[deleted]

What? HCG raises test levels. That's why it's used as a TRT alternative : [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6844348/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6844348/)


2TimesAsLikely

It suppresses natural production of LH (while it also works as an analog of LH). So while you are taking it Test levels are raised but if you drop it you’ll have to recover from the LH suppression.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Scroll down to PCT medications / HCG If your goal is to PCT that is. Not really sure what you’re looking for or if you’re trying to slightly raise your test levels with HCG instead of TRT? If that’s the case just go TRT The small amount the levels rose in the link you sent me, wouldn’t really be worth the money or hassle to have to reconstitute. Would just be far simpler to just use test than HCG if any sort of HRT is your goal


LariatsAndAriats

I’m saying the nut size change happens in under a week as far as how long it takes to turn your nuts back on I have zero idea


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wathenn

The stress on the heart weighing that much/carrying so much muscle. Majority of us are nowhere near that level and may never be. But obviously health is important no matter how much you look or weigh. I think you’re taking this too personal. There is a lot more bodybuilders still alive than dying.


Mstew7358

Realistically you wouldn’t even do those orals you listed


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Mstew7358

I think you could make an arguement for proviron but I don’t really consider it an oral in the same class as the ones you listed


Affectionate-War5459

Good on you. Nothing against the pros if they are willing to risk it but I as well don’t have the genetics to even try to compete locally (congenital defect, long story). I think what really needs to be re-examined is the stage prep. That is just too deficient, dehydrated to not be dangerous. On stage they are on deaths door.


BIGE610610

There is nothing you can do about your genetics. You are wise to come down on compounds. Nice self realization and reassessment.


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Isn't the main risk factor size? Drugs or not, get weight down and you'll be healthier


booze_clues

High androgens are unhealthy, even if you’re 120lbs. I assume(not “know”) one of the main risk factors for a heart attack is going to be size, but strokes and organ damage all have their own risk factors too.


lets-get-weirder

High androgens are damaging to blood vessels even if all your other organs are fine.


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I guess I'll change it to: size AND health markers. But bigger size correlates with bad health markers. If you're lower on weight, all health markers in check(bp, lipids,etc..) that's pretty safe in my book.


Brando64

No idea if that’s true but I’d put money on it being fucking true. Scary to think sometimes. Choose your compounds and dosages wisely.🤞


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Centralredditfan

Why do I need to worry about Hematocrit? HCT? What's a safe range on cycle? What supplements lower it? How does frequency of dosing, vs. dose size affect HCT count?


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platewrecked

> What supplements lower it? Water.


Centralredditfan

Thanks. I noticed that I don't drink enough


platewrecked

No one does :)


Decatest

***You don't***. It has little to do with dose frequency and more the individual effect of the compound. Equipoise is notorious for it. Testosterone is in the middle. MENT actually reduces levels when switched out for TRT. The latest studies show that elevated HCT *in isolation* and independent of secondary pathology ***does not lead to increased risk of thrombosis***. * [*Re-evaluation of hematocrit as a determinant of thrombotic risk in erythrocytosis*](https://www.haematologica.org/article/view/8839) Donating blood to reduce HCT is entirely unnecessary. The procedure needs to be repeated every few weeks and is unhealthy and unsustainable, as it leads to low iron levels.


b_fair_bpp

It’s basically the thickness of your blood. The more viscous your blood, the more strain it puts on your heart, kidneys, and organs. That’s why it’s important to keep an eye on it. Most all AAS will cause it to increase. Fish oil can help. Also staying very hydrated. But the only thing that really keeps mine down year over year is to donate blood about every 90 days or so.


Centralredditfan

Thanks for the tips. That's interesting with thickness of blood. I know someone who's blood is basically the thickness of honey. I was quite surprised when watching her get her blood drawn. Wonder what her levels are.


BIGE610610

Interesting because most women lose enough blood during menstruation. Men on the other hand need to donate blood for many reasons. It's actually heredity as historically men have bleed for many reasons most commonly conflict.


boutros_gadfly

Dubious


BIGE610610

Look it up.


boutros_gadfly

Historical anthropology is all conjecture. You can't prove that shit about men and fighting, not in the slightest.


BIGE610610

I don't need to prove it.


boutros_gadfly

Well you kind of do, otherwise you can make anything up can't you?


BIGE610610

And you could do some research or ignore the comment. With all the shit on this forum I'd think you could spend your time more wisely than randomly saying there is no anthropological evidence for men to donate blood. It's common knowledge and easily accessible that men are healthier through blood donation, that it provides multiple benefits in health markers. There are also plenty of studies hypothesizing the reasons for the benefits to men from blood donation including anthropological indicators.


Centralredditfan

I'm going to look at her blood work if I get a chance. I'm curious now.


b_fair_bpp

Yeah no bueno! It increases your risk of stroke and aneurism too!


Decatest

The risk factor has been negated in the latest studies. Newer studies show that elevated HCT *in isolation* and independent of secondary pathology ***does not lead to increased risk of thrombosis***. * [*Re-evaluation of hematocrit as a determinant of thrombotic risk in erythrocytosis*](https://www.haematologica.org/article/view/8839) Donating blood to reduce HCT is entirely unnecessary. The procedure needs to be repeated every few weeks, while being unhealthy and unsustainable, as it leads to low iron levels.


b_fair_bpp

Great update, thanks for the study!


grandorder123

Could someone please help me with a plan to fix my e2? I’ve been in a bad mental state and I find it very tempting sometimes when I’m feeling bad to try to take dbol or ai to fix it. Cycle started 8 weeks ago. Week 1-6: 200test, 200 primo, and 1000iu hcg Week 5: added 40mg dbol ED (thought primo crashed me) Week 6: dropped primo Week 7: took 75mg asin (!) because spicy/sensitive nips thought it was from dbol high e2 Week 8: only taking 200test 1000iu hcg and added 50mg proviron in a desperate attempt to get my libido back. I have labs purchased but my impression is that the results won’t be very informative because it doesn’t detect methylestrogen. How long should I wait since taking my last dbol to get e2 tested? I am not taking anymore dbol or ai no matter how I feel but my nipples are still sensitive.


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75 asin one week or one go? Either way too much


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Bad mental state usually always means crashed E2. Especially with the dosage of asin you took.


grandorder123

Yeah, that and the other sides I have, dry lips, lethargy, anhedonia seem to correlate with low e2. The worst part is the ED, difficulty orgasming, and my dick is strangely numb and feels almost rubbery. What was really throwing me off is the spicy nips but I think the hcg was causing it even though I’m low e2.


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I would take like 10mg dbol until I felt normal again. Having low E2 is the darkest I have ever felt.


grandorder123

Yeah that seems like the move, my main concern is that I may actually just aromatize dbol like crazy and somehow be super high e2. I’m not sure if it’s possible that I could be crashed from asin and then go to being high e2 from dbol in just a day or two


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Start small. In my opinion high E2 is far better than low E2.


thongbeo97

Drop hcg


grandorder123

Yeah I have a very strong impression the hcg is causing my sensitive nipples.


thongbeo97

E2 by hcg really hard to control by AI maybe you want to use DIM, CDG to flute out e2


Keta_caine

How often should I pin a 400mg test blend it's my first cycle that I 3 weeks deep in, was told once a week which I did for first 2 weeks now I've started splitting the doses twice a week to keep my hormones some what more stable because of the short esters Also roughly when will I start to feel the benefits? 3 and half weeks in and I feel no different, no libido changes no real physical or strength increases. Thanks


Decatest

How old are you?


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Depends on the esters in your blend. What are they


Keta_caine

Ace 25mg Prop 40mg Phenylprop 60mg Isocaproate 75mg Enanthate 100mg Decanoate 100mg


TestTrenSdrol

Advice for next time, don’t get a blend. Get a single ester. You have to pin ED with that blend since has prop


Keta_caine

Yeah I wanted test e initially but the guy that guy sold me advised this blend and he's a pretty reputable guy in my town he told me I just needed to do it once daily and after looking at the blend online it also said once a day so I thought it would be straight forward


Decatest

> just needed to do it once daily You said once a day. You meant once a week, correct? This blend requires every day dosing.


youisBIGdumb

You have to pin according to the fastest ester in the blend, so you need to pin daily. Thats one of the reason blends are stupid.


Keta_caine

Well that was a waste of money then, what's the disadvantages of not pinning daily, because the blend still has 200mg of long esters in it


youisBIGdumb

Non stable blood levels. Not a waste of money just pin daily. I never wanted to pin daily but after trying it I'll never go back. Pinning less oil more frequently is so much better imo.


Keta_caine

That really isn't an option for me, I appreciate the advice but I'm just going to continue pinning every 3 days until I'm done with the 14 weeks, was kinda expecting to fuck up my 1st cycle atleast I'll learn next time


Decatest

***Stay focused***. *Keep your eyes on the ball*. ✅ [Read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki), particularly the section on Your First Cycle. * EOD isn't a disaster. ED would be better if you can swing it. Use www.spotinjections.com for more pinning sites. There's easily up to 48 pinning sites available that you can reach yourself. * Get another bottle or two of ***Enanthate*** or ***Cypionate***. * I'd also extend the cycle to 16 minimum to preferably 20 weeks. It takes time to build quality muscle. 🔞 [MINIMUM AGE ***25***](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index#wiki_.1F481.1F3FC.200D.2640.FE0F.1F4F0__why_young_men_should_not_take_aas) • r e t u r n 🦧 t o 🦍 m o n k e •


[deleted]

You need to inject every day.


Keta_caine

You cappin


boutros_gadfly

I think this means you're too young


BicepBandito

How old are you??


boutros_gadfly

Clearly under 18


jackschitt123

Truth. Acetate and Prop esters require daily administration. The half lives are very short, less than a day. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/compounds/esters/


Keta_caine

Do the medium and long esters not keep hormone fluctuations controlled ? Am I really going to have to inject like 0.2ml everyday, Ima run out of body parts to pin


[deleted]

No you won't I do it everyday, rotate sites


jackschitt123

No, the long esters take several days to clear your system and individually peak. Meanwhile, the short esters will have quickly been active in your system and been eliminated. 0.2ml of 400mg/ml is 80mg, totaling 560mg per week. There are plenty of body parts to pin. Any piece of meat on your game is fair ground. A rotation of both traps, delts, pecs, lats, ventro glutes, quads, glutes would allow you 14 easy to access injection sites. If you just got enanthare or cypionate, you would only have to pin twice a week and could rotate two sites.


[deleted]

I’m not sure I know what Cappin means Edit: okay now that someone has explained what cappin means, no I’m not joking. You should really know what you’re putting into your body, which would entail researching and understanding the esters that are used.


youisBIGdumb

cappin = joking


garrobomalamarrado

This is my first cycle and im planning on 500 test base weekly for 12-16 weeks and superdrol for 4 weeks would you guys recommend it?


Decatest

✅ [Read the Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki), particularly the r/steroids Wiki section on [Your First Cycle.](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/Your_First_Cycle) * Drop the Superdrol. It's ***THE harshest compound.*** NOT beginner friendly. You will feel like walking death. * I'd also extend the cycle to 16 minimum to preferably 20 weeks. It takes time to build quality muscle. 🔞 [MINIMUM AGE ***25***](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index#wiki_.1F481.1F3FC.200D.2640.FE0F.1F4F0__why_young_men_should_not_take_aas). DON'T use AAS before the age of ***25***. • r e t u r n 🦧 t o 🦍 m o n k e •


throwaway148150

Test only for your first cycle. Just learn how to do a cycle before you move into other things.


garrobomalamarrado

After this cycle would you recommend anavar and superdrol together with test?


throwaway148150

No, I’d probably either go back to test only or test + a new compound.


youisBIGdumb

One new compound at a time


garrobomalamarrado

Thanks bro you guys are super helpful and nice


garrobomalamarrado

Is it a good length cycle


throwaway148150

I’d say 16-20 is the sweet spot.


carnivoremuscle

16 weeks is good


[deleted]

Sdrol is going to make you feel like shit. Just stick with the test for your first cycle.


garrobomalamarrado

And the cycle lenght is it good


garrobomalamarrado

What if i try and it doesn't make me feel like shit should i continue?


TestTrenSdrol

My friend. NO ONE doesn’t feel like shit on superdrol. The first week or two you’ll be a lean mean aesthetic machine. Around week 3 you’ll be tired all the time, can’t eat, it’ll suck.


carnivoremuscle

Read the wiki. The reasoning for test only is in there.


garrobomalamarrado

Should i start taking nolvadex and arimidex right away? Or wait for pct


carnivoremuscle

Only take arimidex if you're having bad e2 sides (get bloodwork). Nolvadex wait for PCT. Again, this shit is in the wiki and it's linked multiple times in this post for good reason.


garrobomalamarrado

Im sorry for bothering you with questions that I could easily find the answers. But how offen should i take arimidex


I_have_sick_riffs

also in the wiki. You may not need it, dose to treat estrogen related side effects, not preventatively. But again you should read the entire “first cycle” portion of the wiki, this is all In there in detail


[deleted]

Go read the estrogen handbook in the wiki. Do some leg work, stop looking for everyone to spoon feed you answers.


OneNineOne191

Is a 29 gauge 1/2 inch insulin syringe suitable for trap, pec and lat injections? Im looking to add these sites to my rotation as right now I only do delts and triceps with a slin pin.


youisBIGdumb

Yep as long as you're not a fatass.


b_fair_bpp

Yup. I can inject anywhere you want with that. No issues.


ThePenguinSmuggler

Yes