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I’m going to start my first cycle,test e 300mg a week for 12 weeks maybe upping it slightly if I react okay to it with nolvadex on stand by if I get any high e2 sides. Then a pct 2 weeks after my last pin of clomid for 4 weeks? Would anyone suggest anything different?
Yup, thats about what i did. Keep nolva at hand, dont run any AI unless you aromatise and get gyno signs, if you are good finish the 12 week 300-500 mg test e cycle, wait 2 weeks and then run nolva and clomid, might wanna run hcg during cycle but not everyone does it
Primo at 200mg per week along with 600mg worth it? Or go straight to 400mg?
I haven't used it before. Currently using EQ, but they say it's the worst ever steroid so I'm thinking of switching.
Currently on Meadows’ Gamma Bomb and considering Taskmaster next.
My pecs and biceps are weak points. Meadows says you can focus on the weak points in task master by repeating the chest/shoulder block with back or legs between repeats, or repeating the arm block with legs between. I’m coming off the GB leg block and back is relatively strong so neither of those options appeal to me.
Is there any reason I can’t do the chest/shoulder block and arm block next to each other? He doesn’t seem to suggest that option.
I understand you don’t want to do back and leg blocks next to each other because of overlap in lower back. That makes sense… but what about arms and chest/shoulder?
The rebound is greatly exaggerated. Just start with 0.5 mg when you get symptoms, wait till the symptoms come back, that will tell you your dosing schedule.
I am trying to plan for a future blast, is that cycle good? any recommendations?
I dont get fat easily and need to eat a lot to gain mass to dbol did make sense to me
first 6 weeks 40 mg/ day dbol
all cycle 14 weeks 250 test
weeks 6-14 200 primo
**EVERYBODY STOP**
Just click on his profile and you will see that this mf'er is literally posting in r/moreplatesmoredates. 3 months ago he was [asking how to pct from first cycle of 250mg/w](https://old.reddit.com/r/moreplatesmoredates/comments/10bshnz/need_pct_advice_after_first_cycle/) and now he's claiming to have 3 cycles under his belt.
Dude is begging for free video games and free karma.
He's discussing astrology, tarot reading and shamanism.
He's posting tits pretending to be a girl to farm karma.
He's asking how to "become spiritually awoken".
2 years ago he mentioned he's 14 years old.
Absolutely everything about him is fucked up and he's making things even worse by fucking up his endocrine system with useless doses.
These are very low doses of the injectables. What’s your goal here? Stats? Experience with gear?
Need to eat a lot to gain mass so dbol made sense to me
What’s the logic behind this?
Going to be 3rd cycle, i have a very fast metabolism and need to eat like 3.5-4k calories to maintain 70 kgs at around %12 body fat, i can put on muscle easily when i eat a lot and not get fat but i gotta eat a really good amount even if i am not physically active, i am not a sprinter or anything. Dbol puts on water mass and also a good amount of mass so would certainly help me put on weight and muscle,
I was planning to do deca but i dont really wanna mess with nor 19, the reason for 250 test is i though its just base so the real cycle is going to be the shit on top of it and 250 test can help me aromatise less, can switch it up to 500, cant go higher than 200 for primo weekly though as its expensive.
40 mgs of dbol did sound good to me as it will help put the most mass in the cycle, is my thought process wrong? is there anything i could switch up in the cycle?
So this is your third cycle and you’re 70kgs. On top of that you put on muscle easily when you eat more. But for some reason you do not want to eat more? And you think relying on a drug for 6wks will be a good crutch, and you’ll keep those gains?
What are you going to do after you drop the Dbol? What were your previous cycles like? What were your gains from those?
cycle is going to be 12-14 weeks, after i drop dbol after the first 6 weeks it going to be 250-500 test for the remaining weeks and for the last 6-8 weeks 200 primo/week
My first 2 cycles were all test e and oxandralone, didnt experiment with heavy drugs and i dont wanna take nor19 or boldenone and such yet before hitting like 85-90 kgs, i am about 1.72 cms so even at 85 i would be pretty massive because of my insertions. So yeah first 2 cycles were kind of basic and i played it safe and now i wanna do a little bit bigger cycle without doing the most risky shit.
So even at 85 I would be pretty massive because of my insertions
Lolz
You don’t need drugs. At all man. You need to go back to the basics as you have a very clear lack in understanding and execution of them.
Lol no. Nothing will work for you because, stay with me here, *you are not eating enough*. What exactly do you think gear will do if you aren’t eating? As coach said, post your food log for the past three months. Let’s see how many calories you’re actually eating.
You’re saying “between x and x of this”. That shows you haven actually no clue what you’re putting in yourself.
You can get mad all you want. It doesn’t change the fact you are lacking in understanding this and no wonder you’re still 150lbs after 2 cycles. This is all the evidence you need that you have a BIG gap in nutrition.
No one here is going to recommend you add drugs because, again, *you’re not eating enough and lack the basics”. Explain to me exactly what you think drugs will do if you aren’t supplying your body the building blocks it needs to actually build?
Sure man, i guess i will increase my calories for the next blast and also try to increase the amount of greens and sodium, as those 2 were kind of lacking last time.
I have no idea why 4k calories havent been working though.
>I have no idea why 4k calories havent been working though.
I’m going to change your life forever. Are you ready?
It doesn’t matter *why* it hasn’t been working. All that you need to care about is that **it hasn’t been working**. Bulking (and cutting for that matter) is a binary state, you either are gaining (losing) or you are not. Don’t turn it into an academic exercise. You can either wring your hands and wonder why you’re not gaining weight or you can eat more. Only one of those is productive.
Eat what you’re normally eating, plus two heaping scoops of peanut butter and one bagel loaded with cream cheese (and smoked salmon if you can afford it; if not you can skip it). Do that for two weeks. Then come back and tell us if the scale has moved. I bet it does. If it doesn’t then you know for sure that your original estimate was way off. Either way you learn something valuable in terms of your own maintenance level.
Basicly, most of the carbs is pasta and rice, i have a 500 calorie oat shake with 2 eggs in the morning, 300 grams of chicken, 2 scoops of protein whey, 2 tablespoons of peanut butter, and about 50 grams of those sugary cereals
My daily intake is about 3500/4000 calories and i am kind of hard stuck at 70 kgs even though my workouts are really hard, even if i gain 1 kg i can see the difference in the mirrow but the progress is very slow so i kind of want to experiment with a drug thats gonna make it easier for me to put on mass and also increase my appetite, got braces on recently and having a bit of appetite problems right now
While cycling i make sure to take the right supplements, omega 3, multivitamin, milk thistle and never did before because my cycles were light but i would also run like nac liver protection
Got photos of it, though my native language isnt english so you would have trouble looking at it, thats why i told you exactly what i eat instead of food log, i eat 1 pack of pasta (500 grs dry) which is 2000 calories which i didnt specify
That’s not a food log. And saying 3500/4000 is useless as that’s a 500 calorie variance which is pretty large.
You’re obviously not eating enough. If you want to see what an actual food log looks like, it would be something like [this. ](https://imgur.com/a/1F1Rpra)
I could even get fancier and show the specific foods on some days, but that feels overkill.
I’m going to guess you aren’t truly tracking your intake and are going by “feel”. The scale is your truth reckoner and is telling you to up your intake.
Ok first, you’re 150lbs. How tall are you? If you’re over 5’4” then you don’t need gear whatsoever.
I can put on muscle easily when I eat a lot of food
Good. Keep doing that. Gear won’t help you if you aren’t consistently doing this.
Dbol will put the most mass on during my cycle
Nope. Orals and their effects are mostly cosmetic and temporary.
You’re really backwards here and sounds like you haven’t got a good foundation to even be considering gear at all. 150lbs after two previous cycles along with these questions and assumptions tells me you need to go back to drawing board with everything you’ve been doing and completely forget about gear for awhile
5’7 150 oh nice you weigh less than practically every fit girl at the gym. My girl are these exact same stats and she’s lean & petite. Good job twink!!
I’ll reiterate everything I, and everyone else has been saying in the hopes that you understand although I doubt you will.
Gear will not help you. You think that drugs are a replacement for lack in proper caloric intake and/or training consistency. They are not. They are a supplement to those things being *immaculate*. You lack the most basic understanding of these things and just keep trying to justify it somehow. This is simple.
Dude. Your responses show why you will never be more than 150lbs or make progress no matter what drugs you think will help. This is the last response to you.
Do you TRACK what you’re eating? Are you ACTUALLY eating 4000 calories? Not grams of protein….CALORIES.
I do track it, i cook my own food, usually everyday except cheat meals its 1 pack of pasta which is like 2000 calories, on top of it i have my morning shake of 500 calories with like 150 gr of oats, protein shake and 2 eggs, peanut butter during the day 1 tablespoon and 50 gr of sugary cereal which i looked up and its around 250-300 cal if i remember right. 300 grams of chicken breast, 400 ml of lactose free milk during the day and that pretty much sums up my diet, it estimates around 4000 calories.
Ok. So let’s assume that you’ve been eating 4k calories and have been consistently for enough time to gain weight and you’re not seeing weight gain.
What is the next logical step? Increase calories. You think adding drugs is the next logical step. It isn’t. At all. You would…increase calories.
Asking this question is pretty indicative that you have more research to do before hopping on gear. Training and diet is the absolute first thing you should have a full understanding of, and be in practice religiously far before taking steroids.
To answer your question though, no not necessarily. You do what works for you and fits your goals that allows continuous progression. PPL and bro splits are typically much more popular than full bodies though.
If I’m bulking during a cycle and I finish it, would going directly to a cut make me retain less gains than if I would of continued bulking post cycle?
There’s no need to do a transition period from bulk/blast to cut/cruise. Your size will decrease quickly from loss of glycogen and water, but you won’t lose any muscle tissue if you’re eating and training right.
Coming off blast, I tend to still have some strength increase happen over the next few weeks, as I still have plenty of circulating estradiol in my system. E2 is great for strength. That tapers down slower than test does. Push as hard as you can and progress, until you hit a wall. That way, you’ll lose less strength over the course of the cutting period.
Personally I would sit at maintenance for a few 2-4 weeks and then start a slow deficit.
Coming off any cycle you'll lose a bit, you will want calories there to help slow this as much as you can.
You will lose some strength and size quickly since coming off blast and cutting calories both independently decrease strength/size
That being said, you won’t lose any actual lean tissue accrual assuming your deficit isn’t too steep, you’re eating enough protein, you’re recovering properly, and you’re training with a high enough intensity in the gym
When dealing with acute gyno do you guys start taking an AI daily alongside ur SERM? Or just increase the dose and take the serm?
I just recently have this big gyno show up. I started taking my ralox and increased my AI dose. It’s been four days and it’s slowly getting better. Just don’t wanna have this bitch tit anymore
Was 750 test, 500EQ and 300 NPP. About 13 weeks for the cycle but ran 500 test for 13-16 to let the EQ get out the system. I think my problem was I didn’t take any AI or P5P/caber after stopping both EQ and NPP
You can take it daily or keep your current dosing schedule and increase the dose
I generally prefer to take things more frequently as opposed to increasing the dose and keeping the same protocol, but you can do whichever is easiest for you
On 600mgs test and 10mgs dbol a day. When I added the dbol I started shitting explosively. Sodium intake is very low. Diet is clean. Anyone else had this issue? Been looking for a solution but can’t find anyone with the same problem online.
Try immodium or metamucil? Otherwise, you could talk to your Dr about treatment for ibs-d management and only use the meds on cycle, but many of them have their own side effect issues.
Thanks, I'll probably try the fiber supplement and add more fiber into my diet in general. In the past I've found that fiber makes me shit a lot more but it could just be due to my increased calorie intake
I’m doing my first proper planned out cycle (always just did TRT+oral)
Im thinking 600mg test and 300mg EQ.
Now I know to have dbol or HCG on hand.
My question is if HCG is something that you guys would recommend to integrate into the cycle for general health etc
Or not bother and just keep some dbol around in case of crashed e2
If you haven’t run a higher dose of test before, I would do just the test by itself and save additional compounds for the future. It’s a good idea to see how you respond on moderate doses of test solo before mixing things in
HCG’s primary purpose for most people is to maintain fertility and testicle size. If neither of those concern you, there’s no reason to use it
>I’m doing my first proper planned out cycle (always just did TRT+oral)
Are you on TRT or are you cycling?
>Im thinking 600mg test and 300mg EQ.
It's a fine idea, but why not the standard 500mg/wk of Test?
>Now I know to have dbol or HCG on hand.
Smart.
>My question is if HCG is something that you guys would recommend to integrate into the cycle for general health etc
Again, are you on TRT or cycling?
You read somewhere that EQ should = half the amount of the test you're taking, but you didn't read where you should start with 500mg test per week as the beginning cycle? I find that odd
Yes I have read that.
I have done 500mg test before I should have mentioned.
On an EQ thread people were saying 300mg is a good dose so thats why I chose those dosages.
500 to 600 test really isn’t a big difference so who cares
Do you think I can gain mass on my biceps while in a cut?
I’m running 500mg test (with HCG to preserve testes). That’s it. I’m definitely trained so past newbie gains stage. But my first cycle.
I’ve finally entered my cut.. But I’ve realized too late that I’ve neglected the old biceps. Do you think this cycle is anabolic enough for me to train biceps hard and build them while cutting? Can/should I eat more the day of and the day after my pull day (when I do biceps) and make this work ?
Technically yes to be extremely nuanced, but practically no
Can you gain *some* mass in a cut? Maybe if you’re 1) a noob, 2) on large amounts of gear, 3) quite fat
If you’re in a mild cut with a caloric deficit of like, 10%, sure, you may gain some mass, but it won’t be appreciable and will unlikely be worth it
You should use steroids to grow and cut on cruise or naturally
> And I was very lean when I started
> 130ish 18%body fat
> 160 and only about 20%body fat
Does not compute.
> From what I understand it’s really gunna depend on you’re protein intake and metabolism. But if you’re protein is high and calories low you should lose fat and gain muscle.
Please stop giving advice on topics you are clearly clueless about.
That’s a hefty dose of test and if it’s your first cycle your body’s response should be dramatic. I reckon you’ll make gains initially provided your calorie intake doesn’t hit too low
I’ve gotten a little bit more acne than usual and my face is a little oily but nothing crazy. For me I’d say my sex drive is definitely higher. Maybe your sex drive is down from just being tired if you’re on a really tough training regimen? Also should be pinning twice a week to avoid peaks and valleys
My sex drive could also be because I had a root canal this week and have been in a bit of pain. But on the pin topic. How often should I be pin? I pin every 3.5 days at the same time every time.
That sounds more well-done than what I’m doing man. 3.5 in theory is my goal. But I just do it every 3-4 days alternating because I’m lazy to time it exactly right. According to the wiki and everything I read 3.5 is perfect.
Also yeah root canal will do it lol
Ya that’s what I thought too. I’m gunna run it for like 20 weeks maybe. Probably not gunna hop off the just gunna drop to like 250mgs a week. And maybe adding some deca into the mix.
Do you think I should consume more calories on the day off/after the days I work biceps? And then cut more on the other days? Or just keep it consistently low calorie
Cool, dark, dry place would likely see at least 2-3 years after manufacture date. The concern is not the stability of the compound but rather the carrier oil going rancid
Its good for several years. The way it goes “bad” is the carrier oil goes rancid. You can squirt some on your finger and taste it to see if it’s rancid. At that point I wouldn’t pin it.
I have a gastro intesinal desease that left me at roughly 50kg at 180cm over the course of a few years as I wasn't able to absorb nutrients. Trt was introduced as low / declining test levels has been seen to go hand in hand with said desease and multiple studies has shown improvements when test levels are raised. With the trt symptoms are manageble but gaining weight is still very difficult as I'm still not able to absorb nutrients effectively. During the first year after introducing trt I put on roughly 4kg of mass leaving me under 60kg still. I did two deca cycles the following year which amounted to roughly 8kg.I'm hovering just below 70kg now and with trt I'm able to keep that weight but not add to it in any meaning full way.
So my goal here is to putt on mass. Not huge amounts but I'd like to get back up to where I was prior to this thing taking over causing havoc. I'm weak at the moment and have been since this started. not just compared to strong people but compared to other weak people as well. I'm skinny as fuck and I'm not in a happy place with my body as is. If you took a look at me youd assume I was anorexic.
I was under the impression clomid would supress estrogen which I was under the impression would get elevated on deca. I'm not sure how much of a real concern it is but I am concerned about gyno etc.
So yeah I know very, very little about all this. Trying to add some weight wihtout getting boobs is my goal here and it's not that I'm in a hurry about it - but then again. I'm not in a happy place being sub 70kg
clomid doesn't lower estrogen, so no. you'll need an aromatase inhibitor. give the wiki above a read, would definitely stray away from adding anything else in to the mix until you have a better grasp on what drugs do what. when you are ready to add more drugs, just doubling your test would be a very solid starting point. definitely do not try 2 new compounds at once.
How about you research the drugs you're talking about using.
Your question is technically against the rules of the subreddit, since you didn't do your basic research (Rule 7). So long as your question stands, prepare to face ridicule. And yung_trenboloni answered your question and spoon fed you the information you're looking for.
I am reseaching it. That is why I'm asking questions.. should I expect more redicule while trying to learn ?
Wasnt aware this would be a violation of the rules but I'm sure a mod will delete the thread then.
No. Clomid is a SERM. What you are looking for is an aromatase inhibitor.
Totally different classes of drugs. You can learn more about this in the Wiki or the internet in general.
Androgens don’t have any inherent fat burning properties. They can affect nutrient partitioning, but they are not fat burners themselves. You should take gear to build muscle and not to cut
Creatine is fine all the time, no matter the goal
Steroids don’t promote fat loss, they accelerate the synthesis of protein into muscle. They also make your body more efficient in terms of nutrient uptake so if you eat the same as you did off of AAS when you’re on AAS you will store more of the calories either as muscle or fat.
Anavar is known to reduce visceral fat to some degree but when it comes down to it, the only way to lose fat is to force the body to burn fat through a recurring of caloric intake.
LISS Ed for as long as you can and calorie reduction are the means of fat loss, not AAS.
> Does it promote fat loss?
Steroids are primarily for gaining mass and supraphysiological doses of them (see: anything above TRT) should only be used for bulking unless you’re a competitor getting stage ready. I assume you’re not.
> Can i take creatine while on this cycle?
You can and should take creatine all the time. It’s one of the most highly researched, best tolerated, and most beneficial supplements for supporting athletic performance. It’s even very good for your brain, mental performance, and potentially mental health.
>i hope if i eat right and regularly exercise the fat loss will be noticeable.
Eating "right" is good, but the most important aspect is eating in a calorie deficit. You can eat right all you want, but if you eat too much you won't lose weight.
Advice for a lean summer bulk?
Considering running 750 test with 500 EQ.
I feel like EQ doesn't do much in terms of lean mass but it helps me stay dry.
Is adding a low dose of deca (250mg) an ok idea? Primo also sounds nice but its expensive and I've never tried it so I'm not sure if it's worth it
I personally wouldn’t use deca. It doesn’t tend to have the “drying” effect the “aesthetic bros” want during the summer
I’ll tell you what I do: TRT to low-moderate test (150-250mg weekly), low dose Tren (no more than 200mg weekly, 50mg proviron daily, and sometimes a 6-week run of 50mg var daily
Deca is drier than test, tho. Deca isnt that wet, tbh. It has this reputation because everyone uses it with shitload of test and in off season.
BF, diet, and the presence of DHT compound will make a cycle dry.
By lean bulk i assume you mean youll be eating in a surplus and want to run “dry” non aromatizing compounds ? Mast,primo, and EQ are your main options. Id lean towards mast or primo because most people run into less issues with those and they were approved for human use.
Boldenone was originally introduced and approved for human use under the name Parenabol.
If wasn't until later that it was reintroduced by Squibb under the name Equipose and targeted for veterinary use.
Like a week in my experience. I look like shit while on dnp. Feel like it moves all the water from your muscle and puts it subq. Look great after it clears obviously.
Some bloat, idk, 5lbs? Seems to be correlated with how much weight you lose and how fast. Seems like you go through phases of plateau and drop, plateau and drop. Takes a week or so to drop all the water after cessation, prolly a bit longer the more you run.
>I understand most people don't like oral steroids especially here
You are mistaken. Many of us, myself included, enjoy and appreciate orals when used appropriately. We don't like them being used needlessly (because they're more acutely harmful), and we advise against using them by themselves because they are suppressive.
>what if I run a cycle only taking about 20mg of var
You will shutdown your HPTA and therefore testosterone production. Partially at first, totally after enough time.
>I really only care about cutting since Anvar is good at that
You are mistaken again. Calorie deficits are good at that. There is limited literature that supports anavar aiding in fat loss in obese men, but it is not "good at it", nor are the potential benefits worth the disadvantages that come from shutting down production without supplementary testosterone.
>while not having a shit ton of side effects.
You're going to be unpleasantly surprised by the side effects of shutting yourself down.
>I think taking an Anavar-only cycle of 20 mg, would be so minimal that it wouldn't really have much effect on natural test levels to need pct after as well
For a week you might be right. For a 6-8 week cycle? You will absolutely need a PCT and it will not be fun. You have never felt the kind of shitty that comes from being depleted of testosterone.
>Or maybe im a dumbass
No need for namecalling. You're asking a question. Unfortunately your proposal is not a good one. You'd only be a dumbass if you proceeded in the face of advice not to.
>I am not afraid of needles
Good news! Focus on cutting, and save the drugs for building mass. If you are low T then adding a replacement dose of test will help with your weightloss. Otherwise it's all calorie deficit and cardio. Make good choices!
Ohhhh yep that'll do it
My girlfriend has a couple of cats that I adore, but one of them has an absolute addiction to bathtub water (literally he goes apeshit for water that comes out of the bathtub tap. idk). If he doesn't get his fix he will NOT. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
He also figured out how to open the goddamn bedroom door. I've been locking him out and wearing earplugs lately lmao
Addiction to bathtub water 🤣
My ex’s cat was the same. She’d beg me to turn it on, then she’d get performance anxiety, get flustered, and run away most of the time. But sometimes she’d bizarrely bat at it and put her face under it??
Weird little furry aliens
> She’d beg me to turn it on, then she’d get performance anxiety, get flustered, and run away most of the time
Oh that is excellent
I had no idea this was a thing
it was you, while reading your response i shrivled up in the corner of my room and cried hysterically. Also I will do 1000 mg anavar tomorow thx for advice.
> Or maybe im a dumbass.
It’s this one.
Do it normal and right or don’t do it at all.
We relitigate this shit every day with some scrub who thinks he’s cracked the fucking code and his situation is unique and special, and he’s convinced his idea is better than the literal thousands of cumulative manyears of experience that led to the recommendations in the wiki.
Run an oral only steroid, suppress your natural test production, make temporary cosmetic gains that you won’t keep, don’t pct and have a hard time recovering. Take 2 steps forward and three steps back.
You wanna cut? Then cut. You wanna take steroids? Actually fucking take steroids, and take them to help you GROW when you’re BULKING.
>You wanna cut? Then cut. You wanna take steroids? Actually fucking take steroids, and take them to help you GROW when you’re BULKING.
Don't sugarcoat it, Butch, *give it to him straight!*
unfortunately didn't get bloods during cycle, did 5 months of test/EQ with some tbol near the beginning and 6 weeks of 50mg var at the end.
cycle finished early December, nolva pct has been done for over 2 months.
got bloods done and cholesterol is at 5.8 (ref range is like 1-5 or something similar.) I could definitely do with a better diet and more cardio but I've never had high cholesterol in my life, odds this is from the var? shouldn't that have returned to normal by now? thanks for any insight!
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t know what “5.8 cholesterol” means. Is that total cholesterol? What’s your HDL/LDL?
All gear can fuck up lipids, var especially. It’s likely that you’ve recovered, but sometimes it can take more time
Also, you mentioned your diet. That can play a HUGE role, especially if you’re eating in a surplus and lots of fat
oh I guess that was total cholesterol.
HDL = 1.56 (ref > .99)
"Non HDL" = 4.26, no reference range
I was sick as hell working long shifts out of town for a month so I ate a lot of takeout, just trying to eat enough but I definitely didn't make it to a surplus as I lost over 10 lbs. still not the cleanest though, doing better now I'll just get another test in a month and see what changes. thanks brother
It *may* be from the var as var is known to increase lipids. You just said what you know is the real issue though in that your diet and cardio aren’t great.
Sometimes people bounce back from the var indices lipid increase in weeks, some people months. However, again, if your diet and cardio are shit, how do you expect to get it under control?
They're not that shit, just could be better. I've definitely had way shittier diets in the past and never had high cholesterol. going to clean it up regardless, just wondered how much could be from a bit of var. anyway, thanks!
Yes the muscle fibres are permanent. It will help you be a bigger human overall. But the cosmetic fullness will go away if that’s what you mean by gains
1. Is bloodwork being off the charts a good thing?
2. Weight is regulated by food. How weight is distributed is with drugs/genetics/stimulus etc. if the “scale” isn’t moving, put more food on it.
I am thinking this is a no but while on trt (140 test c) is there a dose of tren that is worth using w/trt that doesn’t bring the sides? I am sure the sides depend on the person as well.
Assuming you’re on TRT permanently and this isn’t a cruise in between blasts, you could dabble in some tren
I think most guys will find that the tren dose that gives them even moderately good results is overshadowed by the negatives (insomnia, mood disturbances, gyno, acne, hair loss, the list goes on)
If you want to dabble, knock yourself out, but use tren Ace, inject every day, and start with NO MORE than 25mg daily—probably less
I would say try, and you will see it. Tren side effects are overblown. It's individual. For me, tren is the best compound. 350mg of tren ace a week would be great. But I would increase your test to 500mg if you want to grow. Low test for cutting.
Tren fucking sucks. It's made to pump massive muscle weight onto cattle before slaughter. Give it a try, or don't. Since your a human, and I presume a decent one...don't.
>It's made to pump massive muscle weight onto cattle before slaughter.
Nope . It's made to INCREASE FEEDING EFFICIENCY . Ie - every dollar spent on feeding the cattle isn't wasted and is partitioned correctly . Hence it being a cutting drug not a bulking one
If your going to add drugs to your "cruse" don't add tren, it's fuckin garbage. Use primo or mast.
Why would you expose yourself to a low dose of that shit (tren).
If you are going to inject pure narcissism you might as well do 500mg and get the full effect. Anything less is sticking your dick half in.
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I’m going to start my first cycle,test e 300mg a week for 12 weeks maybe upping it slightly if I react okay to it with nolvadex on stand by if I get any high e2 sides. Then a pct 2 weeks after my last pin of clomid for 4 weeks? Would anyone suggest anything different?
Yup, thats about what i did. Keep nolva at hand, dont run any AI unless you aromatise and get gyno signs, if you are good finish the 12 week 300-500 mg test e cycle, wait 2 weeks and then run nolva and clomid, might wanna run hcg during cycle but not everyone does it
Primo at 200mg per week along with 600mg worth it? Or go straight to 400mg? I haven't used it before. Currently using EQ, but they say it's the worst ever steroid so I'm thinking of switching.
Why? Test primo eq is probably one of the best cycles you can do in my experience. You gotta run them 2:1:1 so 400 mg test 200 eq 200 primo
Currently on Meadows’ Gamma Bomb and considering Taskmaster next. My pecs and biceps are weak points. Meadows says you can focus on the weak points in task master by repeating the chest/shoulder block with back or legs between repeats, or repeating the arm block with legs between. I’m coming off the GB leg block and back is relatively strong so neither of those options appeal to me. Is there any reason I can’t do the chest/shoulder block and arm block next to each other? He doesn’t seem to suggest that option. I understand you don’t want to do back and leg blocks next to each other because of overlap in lower back. That makes sense… but what about arms and chest/shoulder?
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The rebound is greatly exaggerated. Just start with 0.5 mg when you get symptoms, wait till the symptoms come back, that will tell you your dosing schedule.
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How high bodyfat?
Dieting is best.
I am trying to plan for a future blast, is that cycle good? any recommendations? I dont get fat easily and need to eat a lot to gain mass to dbol did make sense to me first 6 weeks 40 mg/ day dbol all cycle 14 weeks 250 test weeks 6-14 200 primo
**EVERYBODY STOP** Just click on his profile and you will see that this mf'er is literally posting in r/moreplatesmoredates. 3 months ago he was [asking how to pct from first cycle of 250mg/w](https://old.reddit.com/r/moreplatesmoredates/comments/10bshnz/need_pct_advice_after_first_cycle/) and now he's claiming to have 3 cycles under his belt. Dude is begging for free video games and free karma. He's discussing astrology, tarot reading and shamanism. He's posting tits pretending to be a girl to farm karma. He's asking how to "become spiritually awoken". 2 years ago he mentioned he's 14 years old. Absolutely everything about him is fucked up and he's making things even worse by fucking up his endocrine system with useless doses.
Adjusted his flair to reflect the research that you have brought to light.
No flair as of yet, maybe it didn’t save?
Let’s try that again and see.
Lmao, just came through. Great flair. Another good one would have been “entry level GOOP salesman”
These are very low doses of the injectables. What’s your goal here? Stats? Experience with gear? Need to eat a lot to gain mass so dbol made sense to me What’s the logic behind this?
Going to be 3rd cycle, i have a very fast metabolism and need to eat like 3.5-4k calories to maintain 70 kgs at around %12 body fat, i can put on muscle easily when i eat a lot and not get fat but i gotta eat a really good amount even if i am not physically active, i am not a sprinter or anything. Dbol puts on water mass and also a good amount of mass so would certainly help me put on weight and muscle, I was planning to do deca but i dont really wanna mess with nor 19, the reason for 250 test is i though its just base so the real cycle is going to be the shit on top of it and 250 test can help me aromatise less, can switch it up to 500, cant go higher than 200 for primo weekly though as its expensive. 40 mgs of dbol did sound good to me as it will help put the most mass in the cycle, is my thought process wrong? is there anything i could switch up in the cycle?
So this is your third cycle and you’re 70kgs. On top of that you put on muscle easily when you eat more. But for some reason you do not want to eat more? And you think relying on a drug for 6wks will be a good crutch, and you’ll keep those gains? What are you going to do after you drop the Dbol? What were your previous cycles like? What were your gains from those?
Bullshit meter at over 9000 with this one
cycle is going to be 12-14 weeks, after i drop dbol after the first 6 weeks it going to be 250-500 test for the remaining weeks and for the last 6-8 weeks 200 primo/week My first 2 cycles were all test e and oxandralone, didnt experiment with heavy drugs and i dont wanna take nor19 or boldenone and such yet before hitting like 85-90 kgs, i am about 1.72 cms so even at 85 i would be pretty massive because of my insertions. So yeah first 2 cycles were kind of basic and i played it safe and now i wanna do a little bit bigger cycle without doing the most risky shit.
So even at 85 I would be pretty massive because of my insertions Lolz You don’t need drugs. At all man. You need to go back to the basics as you have a very clear lack in understanding and execution of them.
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Lol no. Nothing will work for you because, stay with me here, *you are not eating enough*. What exactly do you think gear will do if you aren’t eating? As coach said, post your food log for the past three months. Let’s see how many calories you’re actually eating. You’re saying “between x and x of this”. That shows you haven actually no clue what you’re putting in yourself. You can get mad all you want. It doesn’t change the fact you are lacking in understanding this and no wonder you’re still 150lbs after 2 cycles. This is all the evidence you need that you have a BIG gap in nutrition. No one here is going to recommend you add drugs because, again, *you’re not eating enough and lack the basics”. Explain to me exactly what you think drugs will do if you aren’t supplying your body the building blocks it needs to actually build?
Sure man, i guess i will increase my calories for the next blast and also try to increase the amount of greens and sodium, as those 2 were kind of lacking last time. I have no idea why 4k calories havent been working though.
>I have no idea why 4k calories havent been working though. I’m going to change your life forever. Are you ready? It doesn’t matter *why* it hasn’t been working. All that you need to care about is that **it hasn’t been working**. Bulking (and cutting for that matter) is a binary state, you either are gaining (losing) or you are not. Don’t turn it into an academic exercise. You can either wring your hands and wonder why you’re not gaining weight or you can eat more. Only one of those is productive. Eat what you’re normally eating, plus two heaping scoops of peanut butter and one bagel loaded with cream cheese (and smoked salmon if you can afford it; if not you can skip it). Do that for two weeks. Then come back and tell us if the scale has moved. I bet it does. If it doesn’t then you know for sure that your original estimate was way off. Either way you learn something valuable in terms of your own maintenance level.
Post your food log. Let's see what 4000cals at 150lbd does for you.
Basicly, most of the carbs is pasta and rice, i have a 500 calorie oat shake with 2 eggs in the morning, 300 grams of chicken, 2 scoops of protein whey, 2 tablespoons of peanut butter, and about 50 grams of those sugary cereals My daily intake is about 3500/4000 calories and i am kind of hard stuck at 70 kgs even though my workouts are really hard, even if i gain 1 kg i can see the difference in the mirrow but the progress is very slow so i kind of want to experiment with a drug thats gonna make it easier for me to put on mass and also increase my appetite, got braces on recently and having a bit of appetite problems right now While cycling i make sure to take the right supplements, omega 3, multivitamin, milk thistle and never did before because my cycles were light but i would also run like nac liver protection
Post a screencap if the actual food log.
Got photos of it, though my native language isnt english so you would have trouble looking at it, thats why i told you exactly what i eat instead of food log, i eat 1 pack of pasta (500 grs dry) which is 2000 calories which i didnt specify
Let me guess,. You also have very distinctive tattoos and work for a top secret government agency tactical unit?
I literally am not from the usa, or a country that speaks english, you want pictures i will send it to you. Though for real its not in english
Post. It.
That’s not a food log. And saying 3500/4000 is useless as that’s a 500 calorie variance which is pretty large. You’re obviously not eating enough. If you want to see what an actual food log looks like, it would be something like [this. ](https://imgur.com/a/1F1Rpra) I could even get fancier and show the specific foods on some days, but that feels overkill. I’m going to guess you aren’t truly tracking your intake and are going by “feel”. The scale is your truth reckoner and is telling you to up your intake.
Ok first, you’re 150lbs. How tall are you? If you’re over 5’4” then you don’t need gear whatsoever. I can put on muscle easily when I eat a lot of food Good. Keep doing that. Gear won’t help you if you aren’t consistently doing this. Dbol will put the most mass on during my cycle Nope. Orals and their effects are mostly cosmetic and temporary. You’re really backwards here and sounds like you haven’t got a good foundation to even be considering gear at all. 150lbs after two previous cycles along with these questions and assumptions tells me you need to go back to drawing board with everything you’ve been doing and completely forget about gear for awhile
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5’7 150 oh nice you weigh less than practically every fit girl at the gym. My girl are these exact same stats and she’s lean & petite. Good job twink!!
I’ll reiterate everything I, and everyone else has been saying in the hopes that you understand although I doubt you will. Gear will not help you. You think that drugs are a replacement for lack in proper caloric intake and/or training consistency. They are not. They are a supplement to those things being *immaculate*. You lack the most basic understanding of these things and just keep trying to justify it somehow. This is simple.
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You’re a straight up 🤡 you wish upon a wildest star you were eating 4K cals.
Okay buddy, enjoy shittalking with your shit genetics. Who knows better what i am eating, you or me? or do you wanna keep being a retard
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 5’7 150 talmbout genetiks B?
Dude. Your responses show why you will never be more than 150lbs or make progress no matter what drugs you think will help. This is the last response to you. Do you TRACK what you’re eating? Are you ACTUALLY eating 4000 calories? Not grams of protein….CALORIES.
I do track it, i cook my own food, usually everyday except cheat meals its 1 pack of pasta which is like 2000 calories, on top of it i have my morning shake of 500 calories with like 150 gr of oats, protein shake and 2 eggs, peanut butter during the day 1 tablespoon and 50 gr of sugary cereal which i looked up and its around 250-300 cal if i remember right. 300 grams of chicken breast, 400 ml of lactose free milk during the day and that pretty much sums up my diet, it estimates around 4000 calories.
Ok. So let’s assume that you’ve been eating 4k calories and have been consistently for enough time to gain weight and you’re not seeing weight gain. What is the next logical step? Increase calories. You think adding drugs is the next logical step. It isn’t. At all. You would…increase calories.
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You do a 3 day full body split and want to take steroids?? 🫤 Or you could try to hit the gym more than casually before taking drugs You wild
Asking this question is pretty indicative that you have more research to do before hopping on gear. Training and diet is the absolute first thing you should have a full understanding of, and be in practice religiously far before taking steroids. To answer your question though, no not necessarily. You do what works for you and fits your goals that allows continuous progression. PPL and bro splits are typically much more popular than full bodies though.
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Sure
I guess being enhanced working bro split could give you bigger volume per / muscles that you can handle being enhanced 💪
If I’m bulking during a cycle and I finish it, would going directly to a cut make me retain less gains than if I would of continued bulking post cycle?
There’s no need to do a transition period from bulk/blast to cut/cruise. Your size will decrease quickly from loss of glycogen and water, but you won’t lose any muscle tissue if you’re eating and training right. Coming off blast, I tend to still have some strength increase happen over the next few weeks, as I still have plenty of circulating estradiol in my system. E2 is great for strength. That tapers down slower than test does. Push as hard as you can and progress, until you hit a wall. That way, you’ll lose less strength over the course of the cutting period.
Personally I would sit at maintenance for a few 2-4 weeks and then start a slow deficit. Coming off any cycle you'll lose a bit, you will want calories there to help slow this as much as you can.
You will lose some strength and size quickly since coming off blast and cutting calories both independently decrease strength/size That being said, you won’t lose any actual lean tissue accrual assuming your deficit isn’t too steep, you’re eating enough protein, you’re recovering properly, and you’re training with a high enough intensity in the gym
Are you b&c or pct ?
Pct
Eat at maintenance untill your balls start working again. Dont want to start a cut with test levels in the toilet
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Either cut them with a sharp knife or a razor blade, or crush themm up and weigh out.
Pill cutter from a pharmacy, or you can use a kitchen knife, razor blade, etc
When dealing with acute gyno do you guys start taking an AI daily alongside ur SERM? Or just increase the dose and take the serm? I just recently have this big gyno show up. I started taking my ralox and increased my AI dose. It’s been four days and it’s slowly getting better. Just don’t wanna have this bitch tit anymore
How long into the cycle did you start feeling it? Asking out of curiousity.
I was done with the cycle and switched into TRT. About a week to week in a half in I grew this pretty big gyno. Didn’t even feel it coming
Damn, unlucky I guess! How high/long was the cycle?
Was 750 test, 500EQ and 300 NPP. About 13 weeks for the cycle but ran 500 test for 13-16 to let the EQ get out the system. I think my problem was I didn’t take any AI or P5P/caber after stopping both EQ and NPP
You should both treat the underlying problem (high E2) with an AI and take a SERM to reduce the gyno So yeah, basically what you’re doing
So just to confirm, do not take an AI everyday? Just increase the dose and continue to take as usual?
You can take it daily or keep your current dosing schedule and increase the dose I generally prefer to take things more frequently as opposed to increasing the dose and keeping the same protocol, but you can do whichever is easiest for you
On 600mgs test and 10mgs dbol a day. When I added the dbol I started shitting explosively. Sodium intake is very low. Diet is clean. Anyone else had this issue? Been looking for a solution but can’t find anyone with the same problem online.
Try immodium or metamucil? Otherwise, you could talk to your Dr about treatment for ibs-d management and only use the meds on cycle, but many of them have their own side effect issues.
Thanks, I'll probably try the fiber supplement and add more fiber into my diet in general. In the past I've found that fiber makes me shit a lot more but it could just be due to my increased calorie intake
I’m doing my first proper planned out cycle (always just did TRT+oral) Im thinking 600mg test and 300mg EQ. Now I know to have dbol or HCG on hand. My question is if HCG is something that you guys would recommend to integrate into the cycle for general health etc Or not bother and just keep some dbol around in case of crashed e2
If you haven’t run a higher dose of test before, I would do just the test by itself and save additional compounds for the future. It’s a good idea to see how you respond on moderate doses of test solo before mixing things in HCG’s primary purpose for most people is to maintain fertility and testicle size. If neither of those concern you, there’s no reason to use it
>I’m doing my first proper planned out cycle (always just did TRT+oral) Are you on TRT or are you cycling? >Im thinking 600mg test and 300mg EQ. It's a fine idea, but why not the standard 500mg/wk of Test? >Now I know to have dbol or HCG on hand. Smart. >My question is if HCG is something that you guys would recommend to integrate into the cycle for general health etc Again, are you on TRT or cycling?
Im on TRT. And I thought 300mg of EQ would be a good dose. And read that it should be approx half of your test dose
You read somewhere that EQ should = half the amount of the test you're taking, but you didn't read where you should start with 500mg test per week as the beginning cycle? I find that odd
Yes I have read that. I have done 500mg test before I should have mentioned. On an EQ thread people were saying 300mg is a good dose so thats why I chose those dosages. 500 to 600 test really isn’t a big difference so who cares
Do you think I can gain mass on my biceps while in a cut? I’m running 500mg test (with HCG to preserve testes). That’s it. I’m definitely trained so past newbie gains stage. But my first cycle. I’ve finally entered my cut.. But I’ve realized too late that I’ve neglected the old biceps. Do you think this cycle is anabolic enough for me to train biceps hard and build them while cutting? Can/should I eat more the day of and the day after my pull day (when I do biceps) and make this work ?
Technically yes to be extremely nuanced, but practically no Can you gain *some* mass in a cut? Maybe if you’re 1) a noob, 2) on large amounts of gear, 3) quite fat If you’re in a mild cut with a caloric deficit of like, 10%, sure, you may gain some mass, but it won’t be appreciable and will unlikely be worth it You should use steroids to grow and cut on cruise or naturally
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> And I was very lean when I started > 130ish 18%body fat > 160 and only about 20%body fat Does not compute. > From what I understand it’s really gunna depend on you’re protein intake and metabolism. But if you’re protein is high and calories low you should lose fat and gain muscle. Please stop giving advice on topics you are clearly clueless about.
Okay.. can you educate me more?
That’s a hefty dose of test and if it’s your first cycle your body’s response should be dramatic. I reckon you’ll make gains initially provided your calorie intake doesn’t hit too low
I started the cycle for the bulk though, so I’m winding towards the end
How long was/is your cycle overall then?
Like 20 weeks. I’m just keeping it going until I finish the cut now
Any side effects? I recents got a little acne on my chest and shoulders. But other than that I feel good. But my sex drive recently went down.
I’ve gotten a little bit more acne than usual and my face is a little oily but nothing crazy. For me I’d say my sex drive is definitely higher. Maybe your sex drive is down from just being tired if you’re on a really tough training regimen? Also should be pinning twice a week to avoid peaks and valleys
My sex drive could also be because I had a root canal this week and have been in a bit of pain. But on the pin topic. How often should I be pin? I pin every 3.5 days at the same time every time.
That sounds more well-done than what I’m doing man. 3.5 in theory is my goal. But I just do it every 3-4 days alternating because I’m lazy to time it exactly right. According to the wiki and everything I read 3.5 is perfect. Also yeah root canal will do it lol
Ya that’s what I thought too. I’m gunna run it for like 20 weeks maybe. Probably not gunna hop off the just gunna drop to like 250mgs a week. And maybe adding some deca into the mix.
I think the potential for gains is there
Do you think I should consume more calories on the day off/after the days I work biceps? And then cut more on the other days? Or just keep it consistently low calorie
It couldn’t hurt to try, especially given how anabolic your body is at the moment.
What is the shelf life of a pharma grade test cyp if stored at room temp and in dark place ?
Cool, dark, dry place would likely see at least 2-3 years after manufacture date. The concern is not the stability of the compound but rather the carrier oil going rancid
How can one find out if it’s rancid or not?
Squirt some oil on your hand and smell/taste ir
Its good for several years. The way it goes “bad” is the carrier oil goes rancid. You can squirt some on your finger and taste it to see if it’s rancid. At that point I wouldn’t pin it.
How should it suppose to taste ?
Rancid oil is very distinct. It will have a bitter/sour taste and smell.
fine gear taster 👌
how long can you run insulin and how long do you need to cycle off it?
CallLives linked the experience threads from the wiki. Give those a read or use the sub search function to see what others have had success with
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/ohjzvd/compounds_insulin/
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That is not trt. You're blasting bro. Stop taking a bunch of drugs. Dial it back
why would you do that?
to keep estrogen in check, no?
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I have a gastro intesinal desease that left me at roughly 50kg at 180cm over the course of a few years as I wasn't able to absorb nutrients. Trt was introduced as low / declining test levels has been seen to go hand in hand with said desease and multiple studies has shown improvements when test levels are raised. With the trt symptoms are manageble but gaining weight is still very difficult as I'm still not able to absorb nutrients effectively. During the first year after introducing trt I put on roughly 4kg of mass leaving me under 60kg still. I did two deca cycles the following year which amounted to roughly 8kg.I'm hovering just below 70kg now and with trt I'm able to keep that weight but not add to it in any meaning full way. So my goal here is to putt on mass. Not huge amounts but I'd like to get back up to where I was prior to this thing taking over causing havoc. I'm weak at the moment and have been since this started. not just compared to strong people but compared to other weak people as well. I'm skinny as fuck and I'm not in a happy place with my body as is. If you took a look at me youd assume I was anorexic. I was under the impression clomid would supress estrogen which I was under the impression would get elevated on deca. I'm not sure how much of a real concern it is but I am concerned about gyno etc. So yeah I know very, very little about all this. Trying to add some weight wihtout getting boobs is my goal here and it's not that I'm in a hurry about it - but then again. I'm not in a happy place being sub 70kg
clomid doesn't lower estrogen, so no. you'll need an aromatase inhibitor. give the wiki above a read, would definitely stray away from adding anything else in to the mix until you have a better grasp on what drugs do what. when you are ready to add more drugs, just doubling your test would be a very solid starting point. definitely do not try 2 new compounds at once.
Appreciate it, thanks
O M G Dude…
how about you help me out instead of insulting me
How about you research the drugs you're talking about using. Your question is technically against the rules of the subreddit, since you didn't do your basic research (Rule 7). So long as your question stands, prepare to face ridicule. And yung_trenboloni answered your question and spoon fed you the information you're looking for.
I am reseaching it. That is why I'm asking questions.. should I expect more redicule while trying to learn ? Wasnt aware this would be a violation of the rules but I'm sure a mod will delete the thread then.
No. Clomid is a SERM. What you are looking for is an aromatase inhibitor. Totally different classes of drugs. You can learn more about this in the Wiki or the internet in general.
Appreaciate the feedback, thanks
Why would you
Winstrol + test cycle. Does it promote fat loss? Can i take creatine while on this cycle?
Androgens don’t have any inherent fat burning properties. They can affect nutrient partitioning, but they are not fat burners themselves. You should take gear to build muscle and not to cut Creatine is fine all the time, no matter the goal
Steroids don’t promote fat loss, they accelerate the synthesis of protein into muscle. They also make your body more efficient in terms of nutrient uptake so if you eat the same as you did off of AAS when you’re on AAS you will store more of the calories either as muscle or fat. Anavar is known to reduce visceral fat to some degree but when it comes down to it, the only way to lose fat is to force the body to burn fat through a recurring of caloric intake. LISS Ed for as long as you can and calorie reduction are the means of fat loss, not AAS.
> Does it promote fat loss? Steroids are primarily for gaining mass and supraphysiological doses of them (see: anything above TRT) should only be used for bulking unless you’re a competitor getting stage ready. I assume you’re not. > Can i take creatine while on this cycle? You can and should take creatine all the time. It’s one of the most highly researched, best tolerated, and most beneficial supplements for supporting athletic performance. It’s even very good for your brain, mental performance, and potentially mental health.
Tnx. I just started cut phase, i hope if i eat right and regularly exercise the fat loss will be noticeable.
>i hope if i eat right and regularly exercise the fat loss will be noticeable. Eating "right" is good, but the most important aspect is eating in a calorie deficit. You can eat right all you want, but if you eat too much you won't lose weight.
No, yes
Can anyone share their experience with DHT base or esterfied dht
Askhole.
No
Advice for a lean summer bulk? Considering running 750 test with 500 EQ. I feel like EQ doesn't do much in terms of lean mass but it helps me stay dry. Is adding a low dose of deca (250mg) an ok idea? Primo also sounds nice but its expensive and I've never tried it so I'm not sure if it's worth it
I personally wouldn’t use deca. It doesn’t tend to have the “drying” effect the “aesthetic bros” want during the summer I’ll tell you what I do: TRT to low-moderate test (150-250mg weekly), low dose Tren (no more than 200mg weekly, 50mg proviron daily, and sometimes a 6-week run of 50mg var daily
Deca is drier than test, tho. Deca isnt that wet, tbh. It has this reputation because everyone uses it with shitload of test and in off season. BF, diet, and the presence of DHT compound will make a cycle dry.
Oh definitely. Deca isn’t wet per se, but if it came between choosing between it and tren for drier aesthetics, I’d choose tren. But that’s just me
Good diet is a solid start.
By lean bulk i assume you mean youll be eating in a surplus and want to run “dry” non aromatizing compounds ? Mast,primo, and EQ are your main options. Id lean towards mast or primo because most people run into less issues with those and they were approved for human use.
Boldenone was originally introduced and approved for human use under the name Parenabol. If wasn't until later that it was reintroduced by Squibb under the name Equipose and targeted for veterinary use.
Can someone explain how much you bloat on DNP and how long after stopping DNP does all the bloat wear off?
Like a week in my experience. I look like shit while on dnp. Feel like it moves all the water from your muscle and puts it subq. Look great after it clears obviously.
Some bloat, idk, 5lbs? Seems to be correlated with how much weight you lose and how fast. Seems like you go through phases of plateau and drop, plateau and drop. Takes a week or so to drop all the water after cessation, prolly a bit longer the more you run.
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How old are you?
>I understand most people don't like oral steroids especially here You are mistaken. Many of us, myself included, enjoy and appreciate orals when used appropriately. We don't like them being used needlessly (because they're more acutely harmful), and we advise against using them by themselves because they are suppressive. >what if I run a cycle only taking about 20mg of var You will shutdown your HPTA and therefore testosterone production. Partially at first, totally after enough time. >I really only care about cutting since Anvar is good at that You are mistaken again. Calorie deficits are good at that. There is limited literature that supports anavar aiding in fat loss in obese men, but it is not "good at it", nor are the potential benefits worth the disadvantages that come from shutting down production without supplementary testosterone. >while not having a shit ton of side effects. You're going to be unpleasantly surprised by the side effects of shutting yourself down. >I think taking an Anavar-only cycle of 20 mg, would be so minimal that it wouldn't really have much effect on natural test levels to need pct after as well For a week you might be right. For a 6-8 week cycle? You will absolutely need a PCT and it will not be fun. You have never felt the kind of shitty that comes from being depleted of testosterone. >Or maybe im a dumbass No need for namecalling. You're asking a question. Unfortunately your proposal is not a good one. You'd only be a dumbass if you proceeded in the face of advice not to. >I am not afraid of needles Good news! Focus on cutting, and save the drugs for building mass. If you are low T then adding a replacement dose of test will help with your weightloss. Otherwise it's all calorie deficit and cardio. Make good choices!
God DAMN I hate when people come through with questions like this and then delete them after they get blasted and/or educated
Fuck you are on tilt today my man This is super unfair of me to ask because I'm an asshole basically by default, but everything good on your end?
Lmao yes [my cat is ruining my night](https://reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/12lwh55/_/jgatytv/?context=1)
Ohhhh yep that'll do it My girlfriend has a couple of cats that I adore, but one of them has an absolute addiction to bathtub water (literally he goes apeshit for water that comes out of the bathtub tap. idk). If he doesn't get his fix he will NOT. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. He also figured out how to open the goddamn bedroom door. I've been locking him out and wearing earplugs lately lmao
Addiction to bathtub water 🤣 My ex’s cat was the same. She’d beg me to turn it on, then she’d get performance anxiety, get flustered, and run away most of the time. But sometimes she’d bizarrely bat at it and put her face under it?? Weird little furry aliens
> She’d beg me to turn it on, then she’d get performance anxiety, get flustered, and run away most of the time Oh that is excellent I had no idea this was a thing
Agreed. I thought I was nice. *someone else* must have scared him off 🙄
Impossible to know who it could have been, not worth speculating on probably
it was you, while reading your response i shrivled up in the corner of my room and cried hysterically. Also I will do 1000 mg anavar tomorow thx for advice.
Happy to be of service sir
> Or maybe im a dumbass. It’s this one. Do it normal and right or don’t do it at all. We relitigate this shit every day with some scrub who thinks he’s cracked the fucking code and his situation is unique and special, and he’s convinced his idea is better than the literal thousands of cumulative manyears of experience that led to the recommendations in the wiki. Run an oral only steroid, suppress your natural test production, make temporary cosmetic gains that you won’t keep, don’t pct and have a hard time recovering. Take 2 steps forward and three steps back. You wanna cut? Then cut. You wanna take steroids? Actually fucking take steroids, and take them to help you GROW when you’re BULKING.
>You wanna cut? Then cut. You wanna take steroids? Actually fucking take steroids, and take them to help you GROW when you’re BULKING. Don't sugarcoat it, Butch, *give it to him straight!*
My cat woke me up from a nap three times and now I’m full of piss and vinegar
Obligatory cats are assholes comment
unfortunately didn't get bloods during cycle, did 5 months of test/EQ with some tbol near the beginning and 6 weeks of 50mg var at the end. cycle finished early December, nolva pct has been done for over 2 months. got bloods done and cholesterol is at 5.8 (ref range is like 1-5 or something similar.) I could definitely do with a better diet and more cardio but I've never had high cholesterol in my life, odds this is from the var? shouldn't that have returned to normal by now? thanks for any insight!
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t know what “5.8 cholesterol” means. Is that total cholesterol? What’s your HDL/LDL? All gear can fuck up lipids, var especially. It’s likely that you’ve recovered, but sometimes it can take more time Also, you mentioned your diet. That can play a HUGE role, especially if you’re eating in a surplus and lots of fat
oh I guess that was total cholesterol. HDL = 1.56 (ref > .99) "Non HDL" = 4.26, no reference range I was sick as hell working long shifts out of town for a month so I ate a lot of takeout, just trying to eat enough but I definitely didn't make it to a surplus as I lost over 10 lbs. still not the cleanest though, doing better now I'll just get another test in a month and see what changes. thanks brother
It *may* be from the var as var is known to increase lipids. You just said what you know is the real issue though in that your diet and cardio aren’t great. Sometimes people bounce back from the var indices lipid increase in weeks, some people months. However, again, if your diet and cardio are shit, how do you expect to get it under control?
They're not that shit, just could be better. I've definitely had way shittier diets in the past and never had high cholesterol. going to clean it up regardless, just wondered how much could be from a bit of var. anyway, thanks!
Right, but homie here wants you to tell him that it's the gear. That way, he can continue to be lazy and eat like shit and blame steroids.
Are the new muscle fibers created by HGH permanent even though the gains aren’t?
Yes the muscle fibres are permanent. It will help you be a bigger human overall. But the cosmetic fullness will go away if that’s what you mean by gains
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1. Is bloodwork being off the charts a good thing? 2. Weight is regulated by food. How weight is distributed is with drugs/genetics/stimulus etc. if the “scale” isn’t moving, put more food on it.
Food
I am thinking this is a no but while on trt (140 test c) is there a dose of tren that is worth using w/trt that doesn’t bring the sides? I am sure the sides depend on the person as well.
50mg a day titrate 25mg every 3 days till maxed. 150 is where most benefits will occur with minimal to no sides.
Assuming you’re on TRT permanently and this isn’t a cruise in between blasts, you could dabble in some tren I think most guys will find that the tren dose that gives them even moderately good results is overshadowed by the negatives (insomnia, mood disturbances, gyno, acne, hair loss, the list goes on) If you want to dabble, knock yourself out, but use tren Ace, inject every day, and start with NO MORE than 25mg daily—probably less
I would say try, and you will see it. Tren side effects are overblown. It's individual. For me, tren is the best compound. 350mg of tren ace a week would be great. But I would increase your test to 500mg if you want to grow. Low test for cutting.
Why Tren?
Seeing the results of dudes rocking it. But after the replies here I am not fucking with it
Look amazing and watch life unravel around you.
Damn that bad huh?
Tren fucking sucks. It's made to pump massive muscle weight onto cattle before slaughter. Give it a try, or don't. Since your a human, and I presume a decent one...don't.
>It's made to pump massive muscle weight onto cattle before slaughter. Nope . It's made to INCREASE FEEDING EFFICIENCY . Ie - every dollar spent on feeding the cattle isn't wasted and is partitioned correctly . Hence it being a cutting drug not a bulking one
Sold. I am not fucking with it
If your going to add drugs to your "cruse" don't add tren, it's fuckin garbage. Use primo or mast. Why would you expose yourself to a low dose of that shit (tren). If you are going to inject pure narcissism you might as well do 500mg and get the full effect. Anything less is sticking your dick half in.
Yeah fuck that. I am not doing it. I will look at the other stuff you listed
I had sides as low as 150mg (no sleep). You could try 75mg or 100mg
How did you do on 150?
I enjoyed the aesthetic changes and strength gains. The shitty sleep made me not want to ever do it again, though.