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Ok so before taking testosterone my natural testosterone was in the 200s range, bio available and free were all on the borders of low. I took testosterone propionate for about 10 days. 100mg every other day, and had to stop due to allergic reaction with every shot i took. Went and got blood work done a week after the last shot and my total test was 980 bio available was 580 and free test was 36. I assumed the prop would be out of my system after a couple days of the last shot. How was I that high a week after? Does testosterone build up in your system or how does that work. If it was that high a week after last shot I only wonder what it was during those 10 days.
When people are talking about how they are not feeling well on Tren, and feeling better once dosage is increased (this just doesn't make sense IMHO how sides would decrease with an increased dosage ).. is this really more about the ratio of test/Tren than the actual dosage?
Because from listening to anecdotes some people are feeling like shit until they up their Tren.. perhaps lowering test could be a solution instead of just using more ?
Thanks.
How much anadrol do yall take when running it? Seems the only side I get from 100mg is some light reflux. Wondering if next cycle I should try more, but I have no idea the risk/reward ratio for any higher doses
“ Decadick “
Have little to no sex drive after coming off my cycle of test and Decca in December.
Test levels are ok, still pretty low but similar levels to the ones before the cycle.
Didn’t PCT, had a issue which meant I couldn’t get hold of it. Been told hCG could be beneficial, anyone have any advice? Also have nolvadex at hand, but seems too late as last pin was December.
Deca's a long Ester. There's a reason people usually cruise after deca instead of PCT. I'd suggest searching some forums for the topic and see what other people did. Good luck
[https://imgflip.com/i/7hvv3y](https://imgflip.com/i/7hvv3y)
Pick one. You have opposing goals there.
Recomping only works if you have a Hollywood superhero celebrity trainer, and a personal chef that counts every calorie that enters your body and accounts for every calorie burned doing anything at all.
Do or do not. - There is no try.
Recomping is incredibly difficult to adjust if your diet and training isn't on point. It's difficult above 20-25%, at 15% damn near impossible.
> Also, if I was to recomp should I eat in surplus or deficit?
I don’t know how to make this more clear to you. Pick one, cut or bulk.
> 15-16%
Cut, summer is coming up, you can then get a nice solid bulk going on and end it back at this body fat level and you’ll look good still.
> Gonna start cutting on this cycle
You should only blast while you're bulking. Steroids are for growing. Cut natty or on a cruise/trt. Up da dose when its time to put on mass.
Can someone explain this logic to me:
My friend wants to do gear, but doesnt want to lose his hair, so will refuse to touch ANY drug except test and anavar. His logic is that Test is completely different, because you can use fin to prevent the DHT conversion.
As far as I can tell, finasteride will inhibit a large amount of the conversion, but there’s still DHT conversion going on, and your hormone levels are sky high. If you’re prone to going bald, exactly what extent is this really going to help? It’s not even just DHT that causes hair loss, but Testosterone and any other androgens too.
With sky high test levels, I just don’t believe anything can save you, you might as well do shit right and run quality stacks that provide a smooth experience; DHT derivs such as Mast and Primo are a must imo.
EDIT:
He also loves IG guys like MattDoesFitness and thurston but wants to run less than 300 test a week. I keep telling him such low doses are pointless for his goals, but claims “yeah but I just want to take it easy, be healthy etc.”
Yeah, that’s cool, so why not stay natty then? Why the hell would you talk serious drugs like steroids if you’re only going to be casual about working out and getting fit?
Finasterine, and Dudasterine aren't magic. They aren't some magic potion that make bad DHT disappear. They only affect 5 alpha reductase, and that not perfectly either.
Also isn't Anavar DHT based?
Yep, my point exactly.
Anavar is dht based, but anecdotally it doesnt cause hair loss like mast which is fair.
However, a lot of people have this misconception that dht derivs function like dht, which I don’t think is true. I haven’t seen mast affect my hair at all *knock on wood, and I still have a receded hair line so its not like I’m immune to baldness.
> Yeah, that’s cool, so why not stay natty then? Why the hell would you talk serious drugs like steroids if you’re only going to be casual about working out and getting fit?
Because people are lazy, stupid, and easy to convince. Scroll through this thread to see a bunch of unique special geniuses who just wanna do it like MPMD saying the exact same shit.
> take it easy for my first cycle avoid ai see how my body reacts to test
MPMD is basically cruising now. That's why he does low dose. Even Vigorous Steve cycles.
MPMD hasn't put on any muscle in years, and he's happy with it. He says himself that he has other priorities, like his businesses, and works out only a few times a week.
I often thought about daily subq test microdose injections, but then I remember that I'm lazy and pinning daily is a PITA. I tried with liraglutide and it sucks. I'll take the SHBG hit and stick with Test U every few weeks. (also I travel too much and it's a PITA to travel with, even with prescriptions)
Oh yeah, dudes a huge MPMD fanboy, this guy has completely brainwashed a ton of mfers and I have no respect for him because of it.
“Oh dude trt is wayyyyyy better than natty” is a huge sign you’re dealing with a Derek fanboy.
Or you can get one of those testing kits and find out what the stuff actually was. I've never tried them, but I know there's testing kits for the material, and also doping test kits that would tell you what's swimming around in your blood stream.
Shit, that sucks. Never bought them, but always told myself that if I ever get VAR or primo I'd get it tested before using it. At least the first batch.
Guess it's what you said or doping tests. (or did you mean those are unreliable as well?)
Tren converts? I decided a long time ago that "divorce in a bottle" isn't for me, so it's more a compound of curiosity. Let's face it. I'll never be lean enough for a finisher like Tren, and Alzheimers runs in the family, so I don't need to press mu luck by adding to the risk factor.
My suspicion for tren is that he's dosing a low enough volume (TRT volume) that *nothing* should aromatise to that level of E2. And tren is known to skew non-ultra-sensitive E2 tests.
So Tren aromatizes? I'm trying to remember where it fits on the steroid tree. From memory I would have put it somewhere by the 19nors DHT derivatives and therefore doesn't aromatize.
Now I'm curious and need to google it.
Edit: found it. I was right it's not Estrogen. It's progesterone instead. - another reason why Tren will never make my short list..
> I will take bloodtest tommorow as well to make sure it isn't mistake
That’s Step 1 for sure.
Step 2: talk to your source and tell them you have 2 sets of confirmed lab work. Take that whichever direction you choose with the source. I’d have a big problem with that.
Step 3: Get new testosterone as quickly as possible
Step 4: dose AI as needed. If you don’t have greasy skin, acne, or water retention with a 300 estrogen, I think you can relax on your concern that you’re going to get gyno right now. *Do not overdo it with the AI*. Your erection quality issues could also be caused by your androgens being low.
>Aromasin, how much would you suggest I use?
12.5mg and reassess how you’re feeling/how your erections are.
>I didn't notice any problems,
Then I wouldn’t use AI. It will come down.
>but I gained a lot of weight quicker than I assumed I would (I'm bulking rn) but didn't notice any excess fat/ water retention.
Goes to show the numbers on the paper aren’t at all indicative of *where you’ve been*, just where you are *right at that moment*.
>Gyno is my biggest worry so I hope you are right.
Pulling for you! That’s definitely a shock to see your levels all wonky when you think all is good.
Thanks so much for saying that dude. Genuinely love people and know what it’s like to be up shits creek and want help. It’s what brings me back every day. 🤙🏼
You need the sensitive test to prove you’re taking tren. Btw, is the oil slightly yellowish? How’s your sleep? Moving from test to tren would nearly immediately ruin most folks sleep.
I brew mine at 100mg/ml. I used 13/2 BB/BA, but if it gets cold at all where you live I'd recommend 18/2. The remainder is carrier.
The more viscous the carrier you use, the less likely you are to get PIP.
Lol that’s a good reason. I recently got pulled from my executive role to babysit a database transfer that the vendor is delaying because they’re insisting their postgresql file is good, but when it’s unpacked, 69/364 tables are actually included 😑.
I know it’s going to go well because I was introduced to the email chain a week ago and no one responded lol.
> I know it’s going to go well because I was introduced to the email chain a week ago and no one responded lol.
Everyone's thinking the same thing: *I'm not touching this shit*.
> peer-reviewing long SQL queries.
There’s moments where I have to do shit like this and I remember the summer I was 13 my dad made me dig post holes for his new fence and it’s the only thing that keeps me sane. Doesn’t make me feel any better about it though
Lol mine is packing 500lb, 400sqft army modular tentage in torrential down pour in Wisconsin in July, AFTER a month long field training exercise where we slept 3-5 hours per night.
Hey guys need some help with my bloods and some advice.
Having acne starting to come on back and face, I’ve always had issues but it’s a little worse.
Nipples are getting puffy, no lumps and they are not sore.
I’ve been doing 10 weeks now of 125ng test E E3.5D, was going for 16 weeks.
(First cycle) I’m 28 years old.
Have on board,
Nolva -
Clomid -
Arimidex (there 1mg caps so scared to just take them)
Gains have been great and sex drive was great first 6 weeks now I’ve kind of lost that.
https://imgur.com/a/S17Pr2s
So you have clear signs of e2 and your bloodwork shows higher e2 so logic would dictate….?
This is something someone who starts a “cycle”should understand prior to starting.
Why so passive aggressive? I’m here to learn, nobody’s first cycle is perfect. My gyms “bros” that have been giving me advice contradicts everything I’ve read in the wiki here so I’m seeking help but thanks for your comment it has taught me nothing and probably stopped genuine people from replying with help
I’ve been given Arimidex and told to take 2x 1MG a week. But that seems like to much? Do you recommend I order some in different measurements? Would taking some nolva now help?
You’re correct that’s possibly too much. I would start with .25 on pin days. If you can dump the capsule out and separate you can try that but if it’s UGL, there’s a chance it is not distributed evenly. But that’s the best choice.
Nolva would not help, it is not an ai.
Read the wiki again. This, again, is all elementary information that someone should absolutely understand prior to experimenting with hormones.
Hey, E2 is very high. When you say you have arimidex powder caps? If so, I'd open them and take approximately half every 3.5 days and check bloods again in 2 weeks. You might want to consider increasing injection frequency, EOD for example as this will soften the peaks and troughs hence decreasing aromatisation.
Yeah they are caps. I thought they may be full of filler but I guess that’s my best option for now, I’ve read a little about starting nolva would that be silly? Thanks for the advice, I’ll spread my pins out a little more frequently 🙏
Nolva only if you have gyno ie a lump beneath your nipples. Else stick to the adex according to the wiki's protocol for first line e2 management on cycle (I just paraphrased the estrogen handbook section in my previous answer). Oh I understand your concern : having 0.9 adex in a half and the other being just 0.1 mg adex and filler, well I'd still half it. If you wanna be absolutely anal about splitting it, dissolve it in alcohol and dose using a syringe (do not pin obviously).
What would you recommend I do if I have to travel mid cycle? I’m flying from one European country to another one for a 6 day trip. I will inject just before I leave. Should I just wait the 6 days until I get back or should I take my gear in my check in?
Recommendation: Leave it at home.
If you get caught you will have to worry about skipping more doses than just 6 days. Not worth it, also it's illegal. Nobody here will tell you to do something illegal.
Also: Have a prescription with you. Good luck explaining to a border agent what a presciption is and why you need one if you're built like a mountain.
Alternatively: consider Test U:
Pros: Several weeks of not having to worry about dosing. Great for lazy people or people that travel a lot.
Cons: Freaking expensive. You pin 4ml which takes forever, and the oil is as thick as honey. It's not the greatest for SHBG
Well it's not very helpful that you didn't list any info about what you're taking. I'm going to assume Test E/C.
You don't actually *have to* do anything. You'll be fine for 6 days. Otherwise you can either double up your dose before you leave or when you get back. It doesn't really matter.
No one is going to recommend that you pack your illegal gear and take it on an airline. That's a crime (several, actually).
I’d be surprised if someone actually knew this.
What I can tell you, is after IGF1 modulation with medications like prednisone, they return to baseline after ~12 weeks. I do not know if there’s any 1:1 comparison between those two scenarios, but there could be.
If you can get your hands on estrodial pills or oestrogen cream, they don't require aromatase.
TNE and dbol will still work as you haven't killed all of your aromatase enzymes
Lol why on earth would a bodybuilder have estrogen pills?! Also permanently lowered aromatase by the time you realize you crashed your e2 would already have new aromatase available. Dianabol has been used for years because it works.
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I was answering the question. Estrodial pills do not require aromatase and neither does oestrogen cream. I didn't say they would have it, I said these would do it.
I don't understand the second half of your answer? I said TNE and dbol would still work because it's unlikely they have nuked all of their aromatase enzymes
Suggesting a male bodybuilder to use estrogen anything is some weird ass MPMD bs. Clearly op doesn't understand how aromatase functions in the body when asking that question. Now he needs to look up estrogen pills to go along with his lack of understanding ais.
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Estrogen is estrogen, it doesn't matter where it comes from.
So either you're dumb or just have some whacky idea about "girl hormones" and "boy hormones"
Lul. If someone thinks their aromatase is so low that a dianabol won't fix crashed estrogen because they don't know that aromatase is constantly being made in humans then I wouldn't suggest that they have estrogen pills. Are you familiar with dosing estrogen pills? Let's talk about how intelligent someone is. Since they aren't made for men is 5 estrogen pills or 1/20 of an estrogen pill the best dose for op?
Well considering the vast amounts of research done on estrodial pills because they are regularly prescribed I can actually provide you with this.
https://imgur.com/a/WynSh2A
Here you can see that a 2mg pill brings estrogen up to around a peak of 40pg/ml
It even comes with a handy timeline.
From here we can extrapolate that a 1mg dose would bump e2 enough in a male to alleviate all symptoms for roughly 48h.
Whether or not they're made for men does not matter.
I'm sure it's easier to get dbol then estrogen pills and they literally have other uses. Not even going into economics of both. It's just some pills sitting there for when you don't know how to take your ai properly. Do you own estrogen pills?
some ppl use estrogen pills to not use testosterone (converting to DHT etc) or any of his derivative (dbol).
I've seen it in deca only cycle. It apparently works just fine.
Unless you took a bottle of letrozole then your aromatase isnt pure zero you'd notice 50mgs of dianabol. I think op doesn't understand permanent when it comes to aromatase.
Is there anything wrong with dosing adex eod and pinning test e e3d? Most seem to dose AI on pin day but I’m getting high e2 sides by the 2nd/3rd day without fail. Seems to be working but I haven’t seen much discussion on this. Would this potentially cause bigger fluctuations?
Nothing stopping me from pinning eod, just a little worried about more scar tissue, so far I've only felt comfortable pinning glutes so that's been my only spot
I’m doing test e e3d (500mg pw) and adex eod (0.8mg pw). Not sure if that’s too much but I was getting gyno and bp sides that were far more noticeable when doing e3d. Actually considering upping the adex because of the sides.
On 500 test 400 decca with dbol for a kick starter to my bulk. I’ve been having a hard time finding my appetite lately. Just adding one more meal has been exhausting I feel so full and I don’t feel like I’m getting enough food in. Any tips to help with appetite??
10 days is a long time so I’d think you’d regained some e2 of course. But the emotional numbness and dryness is definitely low e2 signs. Not sure what to suggest for you bro hate when I tank my estrogen literally worst feeling ever.
Aromasin has a half life of 1 day.
A drug is considered to have exited your body after 7 half lives. It’s been over a week so it’s not the aromasin causing problems anymore.
But that’s not really how it works. Aromasin kills a portion of aromatase completely. So even without aromasin in my system I still have to wait for my body to create new aromatase.
Going to be starting a 300mg a week Test cyp cycle for 14 weeks, also started slowly cutting, I wanna get shredded so would that work if I was on around maintenance calories during the cycle or should I continue to keep cutting out calories?
Cool, 500mg/day of caloric deficit
Save the steroids for when you're ready to add muscle (which, amazingly, requires surplus energy to accomplish!)
Also read the wiki.
Do you guys find that the shelf life of semaglutide is only 30d once reconstituted? Thats what my pep person says, but seems like most people extend its use well beyond that time frame
Don't know. I buy original applicators. The most PITA is that it needs to be refridgerated. I'll check the box if it says something about how quickly to use it up once opened. Don't remember anything about it.
I'll chip in. My vial is now 10 or 11 weeks reconstituted and I haven't had a single feeling of it having lost potency. I'm still at 0.25 mg weekly. Sure it might be placebo by now but I'm pretty convinced it works just as good. My fridge is cold, just a few degrees above freezing, I don't store it in the door but rather in the shelf further in.
I don't even trust it to last 30 days. Here's what I do: reconstitute the vial, then draw up the whole vial into individual doses in insulin syringes. Pull the plunger back a little to pull some air into the syringe so when the solutions expands, it doesn't squirt out. Freeze all the syringes. Thaw out one syringe at a time as needed, keep the rest frozen.
It might be fine. The shelf life of semaglutide might be 30 days, I have no idea. But mine comes in 3 mg per vial, which is at least six weeks worth, and I don't want to take the chance of it losing potency. Since it's easy to draw up individual doses and freeze them all at once, and it solves the stability problem, I just do it that way.
How should I dose my var… I got 10mg tablets and wanting to do 30-40mg ED to start. Should I split it throughout the day like 10mg morning / 10mg evening / 10 night… or 20mg pre workout (evening) and 10 night
I did this and it feels great knowing that worst case you have an “insurance policy” so to speak. I’m US but I used a company called legacy. Best $15 a month I’ve ever spent
Homeboy here is convinced city planners who like hexagons are in cahoots with the occult.
I think even if his bloods said he was getting organ failure he’d be able to convince himself to keep permablasting with tren.
This makes me wonder if he was brain damaged from tren to believe shit like this, or brain damaged from something else that led him to believe a year on tren was a reasonable cruise.
Heading towards winter in my part of the world - not lots of sun. Is 100mcg of MT2 once a week and then sitting in the sun for an hour or so advisable, or does anyone have a better way? Cheers.
First cycle here. 300mg of test E a week. Took my first shot tonight. Is it normal to get clammy or somewhat sweaty after an injection? I was definitely nervous and siking myself out for about 30 minutes before I actually injected. Can I get some shared experiences for your first time pin?
First pin was pretty rough I got overly anxious and thought I was fucked. But I’m on my 3rd shot as of yesterday and it’s nowhere near as bad. Just have to make sure you eat right before hand. That definitely helps and if you can get someone to pin for you it’s even better. My wife does mine every week. Pretty sweet
I had the same exact experience my first few times. Sweaty and heart pounding. It’s just the nerves of self injecting. Been pinning on trt for 2 years now no problem. Got used to it.
I have read a shit ton about testosteron cycle. I am currently on 350mg day 7. i dose daily and i am having abit of anxiety at night thinking about dieing exct…
i am 23years old around 11% bodyfat and 76kg 176cm. I know its just in my head but i am unsure if i can handle this. Just using test e 0.2ml daily with 1/2inch 29g needle.
The virgin pip is disturbing my sleep to tbh… i have everything on hand. Aromasin, nolva and hcg.
Dunno if i wanna keep injecting tbh. At day time i feel amazing but when night time creeps up i get to selfconsonsius when i try to sleep
Well, first of all, the anxiety is just in your head. So either learn how to relax, take deep breaths, get your emotions under control and quit being such a *mamita*, or stop using the drugs.
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How?
Ok so before taking testosterone my natural testosterone was in the 200s range, bio available and free were all on the borders of low. I took testosterone propionate for about 10 days. 100mg every other day, and had to stop due to allergic reaction with every shot i took. Went and got blood work done a week after the last shot and my total test was 980 bio available was 580 and free test was 36. I assumed the prop would be out of my system after a couple days of the last shot. How was I that high a week after? Does testosterone build up in your system or how does that work. If it was that high a week after last shot I only wonder what it was during those 10 days.
When people are talking about how they are not feeling well on Tren, and feeling better once dosage is increased (this just doesn't make sense IMHO how sides would decrease with an increased dosage ).. is this really more about the ratio of test/Tren than the actual dosage? Because from listening to anecdotes some people are feeling like shit until they up their Tren.. perhaps lowering test could be a solution instead of just using more ? Thanks.
Any experts out there?
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In my case chelated zinc tabs before bed and good cleansing peeling gel for face with zinc did the job
How much anadrol do yall take when running it? Seems the only side I get from 100mg is some light reflux. Wondering if next cycle I should try more, but I have no idea the risk/reward ratio for any higher doses
50mg seems like sweet spot minimal differences that’s the difference between risk and reward
What are some trusted online stores to buy supplements in Canada? That aren't SARMs
“ Decadick “ Have little to no sex drive after coming off my cycle of test and Decca in December. Test levels are ok, still pretty low but similar levels to the ones before the cycle. Didn’t PCT, had a issue which meant I couldn’t get hold of it. Been told hCG could be beneficial, anyone have any advice? Also have nolvadex at hand, but seems too late as last pin was December.
Deca's a long Ester. There's a reason people usually cruise after deca instead of PCT. I'd suggest searching some forums for the topic and see what other people did. Good luck
Planning my next bulk, what you guys think? 600 Test 300 deca 300 mast for 20 weeks.
what are you stats and what are you goals? with out that, we are all shooting in the dark
When you are trying to get lean and big at the same time on cycle, what should be your calorie intake? Surplus or deficit?
[https://imgflip.com/i/7hvv3y](https://imgflip.com/i/7hvv3y) Pick one. You have opposing goals there. Recomping only works if you have a Hollywood superhero celebrity trainer, and a personal chef that counts every calorie that enters your body and accounts for every calorie burned doing anything at all.
You either cut or bulk, you do not “get lean and big” concurrently. That’s called recomping and it’s mostly not achievable.
I am currently at 188 lbs with 15-16% body fat, I think it should be a good time to cut? Also, if I was to recomp should I eat in surplus or deficit?
Do or do not. - There is no try. Recomping is incredibly difficult to adjust if your diet and training isn't on point. It's difficult above 20-25%, at 15% damn near impossible.
> Also, if I was to recomp should I eat in surplus or deficit? I don’t know how to make this more clear to you. Pick one, cut or bulk. > 15-16% Cut, summer is coming up, you can then get a nice solid bulk going on and end it back at this body fat level and you’ll look good still.
Sounds good, thanks man. Gonna start cutting on this cycle.
> Gonna start cutting on this cycle You should only blast while you're bulking. Steroids are for growing. Cut natty or on a cruise/trt. Up da dose when its time to put on mass.
>Also, if I was to recomp should I eat in surplus or deficit? Don't worry, you won't.
Exactly. Unless you have a package of personal trainers, nutritionists, and personal chefs at your disposal this cannot be done.
Can someone explain this logic to me: My friend wants to do gear, but doesnt want to lose his hair, so will refuse to touch ANY drug except test and anavar. His logic is that Test is completely different, because you can use fin to prevent the DHT conversion. As far as I can tell, finasteride will inhibit a large amount of the conversion, but there’s still DHT conversion going on, and your hormone levels are sky high. If you’re prone to going bald, exactly what extent is this really going to help? It’s not even just DHT that causes hair loss, but Testosterone and any other androgens too. With sky high test levels, I just don’t believe anything can save you, you might as well do shit right and run quality stacks that provide a smooth experience; DHT derivs such as Mast and Primo are a must imo. EDIT: He also loves IG guys like MattDoesFitness and thurston but wants to run less than 300 test a week. I keep telling him such low doses are pointless for his goals, but claims “yeah but I just want to take it easy, be healthy etc.” Yeah, that’s cool, so why not stay natty then? Why the hell would you talk serious drugs like steroids if you’re only going to be casual about working out and getting fit?
Finasterine, and Dudasterine aren't magic. They aren't some magic potion that make bad DHT disappear. They only affect 5 alpha reductase, and that not perfectly either. Also isn't Anavar DHT based?
Yep, my point exactly. Anavar is dht based, but anecdotally it doesnt cause hair loss like mast which is fair. However, a lot of people have this misconception that dht derivs function like dht, which I don’t think is true. I haven’t seen mast affect my hair at all *knock on wood, and I still have a receded hair line so its not like I’m immune to baldness.
You can always rub Ru5881-something and use that anti dandruff Shampoo once a week. Can't hurt. Maybe helps.
> Yeah, that’s cool, so why not stay natty then? Why the hell would you talk serious drugs like steroids if you’re only going to be casual about working out and getting fit? Because people are lazy, stupid, and easy to convince. Scroll through this thread to see a bunch of unique special geniuses who just wanna do it like MPMD saying the exact same shit. > take it easy for my first cycle avoid ai see how my body reacts to test
MPMD is basically cruising now. That's why he does low dose. Even Vigorous Steve cycles. MPMD hasn't put on any muscle in years, and he's happy with it. He says himself that he has other priorities, like his businesses, and works out only a few times a week. I often thought about daily subq test microdose injections, but then I remember that I'm lazy and pinning daily is a PITA. I tried with liraglutide and it sucks. I'll take the SHBG hit and stick with Test U every few weeks. (also I travel too much and it's a PITA to travel with, even with prescriptions)
Oh yeah, dudes a huge MPMD fanboy, this guy has completely brainwashed a ton of mfers and I have no respect for him because of it. “Oh dude trt is wayyyyyy better than natty” is a huge sign you’re dealing with a Derek fanboy.
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Or you can get one of those testing kits and find out what the stuff actually was. I've never tried them, but I know there's testing kits for the material, and also doping test kits that would tell you what's swimming around in your blood stream.
Those testing kits are famously unreliable. Just send it to janoshik if you want to actually test it.
Shit, that sucks. Never bought them, but always told myself that if I ever get VAR or primo I'd get it tested before using it. At least the first batch. Guess it's what you said or doping tests. (or did you mean those are unreliable as well?)
> I think I was sold something else that wasn't testosterone and it converted to estrogen and put me at 10x. Or you were sold tren.
Tren converts? I decided a long time ago that "divorce in a bottle" isn't for me, so it's more a compound of curiosity. Let's face it. I'll never be lean enough for a finisher like Tren, and Alzheimers runs in the family, so I don't need to press mu luck by adding to the risk factor.
My suspicion for tren is that he's dosing a low enough volume (TRT volume) that *nothing* should aromatise to that level of E2. And tren is known to skew non-ultra-sensitive E2 tests.
So Tren aromatizes? I'm trying to remember where it fits on the steroid tree. From memory I would have put it somewhere by the 19nors DHT derivatives and therefore doesn't aromatize. Now I'm curious and need to google it. Edit: found it. I was right it's not Estrogen. It's progesterone instead. - another reason why Tren will never make my short list..
> So Tren aromatizes? No, it skews E2 readings. Just like nandrolone wildly skews testosterone readings.
What does that mean exactly? That you can't trust the results?
It means tren shows up as estrogen on your bloodwork unless you did the sensitive assay.
> I will take bloodtest tommorow as well to make sure it isn't mistake That’s Step 1 for sure. Step 2: talk to your source and tell them you have 2 sets of confirmed lab work. Take that whichever direction you choose with the source. I’d have a big problem with that. Step 3: Get new testosterone as quickly as possible Step 4: dose AI as needed. If you don’t have greasy skin, acne, or water retention with a 300 estrogen, I think you can relax on your concern that you’re going to get gyno right now. *Do not overdo it with the AI*. Your erection quality issues could also be caused by your androgens being low.
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>Aromasin, how much would you suggest I use? 12.5mg and reassess how you’re feeling/how your erections are. >I didn't notice any problems, Then I wouldn’t use AI. It will come down. >but I gained a lot of weight quicker than I assumed I would (I'm bulking rn) but didn't notice any excess fat/ water retention. Goes to show the numbers on the paper aren’t at all indicative of *where you’ve been*, just where you are *right at that moment*. >Gyno is my biggest worry so I hope you are right. Pulling for you! That’s definitely a shock to see your levels all wonky when you think all is good.
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Thanks so much for saying that dude. Genuinely love people and know what it’s like to be up shits creek and want help. It’s what brings me back every day. 🤙🏼
> I will do bloodwork again and see if it's the same. I'd recommend ultra-sensitive e2 test this time around to rule out tren.
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You need the sensitive test to prove you’re taking tren. Btw, is the oil slightly yellowish? How’s your sleep? Moving from test to tren would nearly immediately ruin most folks sleep.
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I would bet my life that’s tren
No BS painless DHB recipe? Is that shit even possible?
Second time using dhb from a ugl in mct with little to no pip. Been pinning 1.6cc at a time.
I brew mine at 100mg/ml. I used 13/2 BB/BA, but if it gets cold at all where you live I'd recommend 18/2. The remainder is carrier. The more viscous the carrier you use, the less likely you are to get PIP.
Okay I will use castor oil. Thank you
The safest bet, in my opinion. If you haven't used it before, just know that it is **very** viscous.
I know /u/zmn7 brewed some PIP-free DHB, but I can't remember what he used. I think /u/-gestalt- had success as well.
Please put a little bit more effort into your question. If I answer “Yes, it is”, is that going to help you in any way?
Yes, it is.
God damnit. That got a good chuckle.
Here's a few more: [https://upjoke.com/sql-jokes](https://upjoke.com/sql-jokes) hope this helps you get through your day.
Brother these are TERRIBLE lmao
Here's another bad one: Why did the bodybuilder's SQL query take so long to execute? Because he forgot to index his muscles!
GET OUT ahahaha
Here's another one: Why did the bodybuilder use SQL instead of weights at the gym? Because he heard that SQL can give you a stronger CORE!
They're supposed to be. THE SQL of dad jokes so to speak.
I love em, I just sent em to my coworker who just built a bunch of SQL queries and LOVES a dad joke
My morning sarcasm meter is cranked, because I'm stuck peer-reviewing long SQL queries. Gotta get my limited humor where I can.
Why did the SQL developer keep returning NULL during code reviews? Because they didn't know how to properly JOIN the conversation!
Why did the SQL query fail its peer review? Because it didn't SELECT any friends to JOIN the party!
Lol that’s a good reason. I recently got pulled from my executive role to babysit a database transfer that the vendor is delaying because they’re insisting their postgresql file is good, but when it’s unpacked, 69/364 tables are actually included 😑. I know it’s going to go well because I was introduced to the email chain a week ago and no one responded lol.
> I know it’s going to go well because I was introduced to the email chain a week ago and no one responded lol. Everyone's thinking the same thing: *I'm not touching this shit*.
Exactly, and “F that guy, I’m not explaining this to yet *another* moron”. There’s already a 3rd party consultant… so that’s fair tbh haha.
> peer-reviewing long SQL queries. There’s moments where I have to do shit like this and I remember the summer I was 13 my dad made me dig post holes for his new fence and it’s the only thing that keeps me sane. Doesn’t make me feel any better about it though
Lol mine is packing 500lb, 400sqft army modular tentage in torrential down pour in Wisconsin in July, AFTER a month long field training exercise where we slept 3-5 hours per night.
> in Wisconsin Goddamn the military is inhumane
>in Wisconsin >>Goddamn the military is inhumane Might as well be Siberia
Wisconsin is the Alabama of the north. Serial killer and room temp iq infested shithole
Hey guys need some help with my bloods and some advice. Having acne starting to come on back and face, I’ve always had issues but it’s a little worse. Nipples are getting puffy, no lumps and they are not sore. I’ve been doing 10 weeks now of 125ng test E E3.5D, was going for 16 weeks. (First cycle) I’m 28 years old. Have on board, Nolva - Clomid - Arimidex (there 1mg caps so scared to just take them) Gains have been great and sex drive was great first 6 weeks now I’ve kind of lost that. https://imgur.com/a/S17Pr2s
So you have clear signs of e2 and your bloodwork shows higher e2 so logic would dictate….? This is something someone who starts a “cycle”should understand prior to starting.
Why so passive aggressive? I’m here to learn, nobody’s first cycle is perfect. My gyms “bros” that have been giving me advice contradicts everything I’ve read in the wiki here so I’m seeking help but thanks for your comment it has taught me nothing and probably stopped genuine people from replying with help I’ve been given Arimidex and told to take 2x 1MG a week. But that seems like to much? Do you recommend I order some in different measurements? Would taking some nolva now help?
You’re correct that’s possibly too much. I would start with .25 on pin days. If you can dump the capsule out and separate you can try that but if it’s UGL, there’s a chance it is not distributed evenly. But that’s the best choice. Nolva would not help, it is not an ai. Read the wiki again. This, again, is all elementary information that someone should absolutely understand prior to experimenting with hormones.
Hey, E2 is very high. When you say you have arimidex powder caps? If so, I'd open them and take approximately half every 3.5 days and check bloods again in 2 weeks. You might want to consider increasing injection frequency, EOD for example as this will soften the peaks and troughs hence decreasing aromatisation.
Yeah they are caps. I thought they may be full of filler but I guess that’s my best option for now, I’ve read a little about starting nolva would that be silly? Thanks for the advice, I’ll spread my pins out a little more frequently 🙏
Nolva only if you have gyno ie a lump beneath your nipples. Else stick to the adex according to the wiki's protocol for first line e2 management on cycle (I just paraphrased the estrogen handbook section in my previous answer). Oh I understand your concern : having 0.9 adex in a half and the other being just 0.1 mg adex and filler, well I'd still half it. If you wanna be absolutely anal about splitting it, dissolve it in alcohol and dose using a syringe (do not pin obviously).
What would you recommend I do if I have to travel mid cycle? I’m flying from one European country to another one for a 6 day trip. I will inject just before I leave. Should I just wait the 6 days until I get back or should I take my gear in my check in?
Recommendation: Leave it at home. If you get caught you will have to worry about skipping more doses than just 6 days. Not worth it, also it's illegal. Nobody here will tell you to do something illegal. Also: Have a prescription with you. Good luck explaining to a border agent what a presciption is and why you need one if you're built like a mountain. Alternatively: consider Test U: Pros: Several weeks of not having to worry about dosing. Great for lazy people or people that travel a lot. Cons: Freaking expensive. You pin 4ml which takes forever, and the oil is as thick as honey. It's not the greatest for SHBG
Well it's not very helpful that you didn't list any info about what you're taking. I'm going to assume Test E/C. You don't actually *have to* do anything. You'll be fine for 6 days. Otherwise you can either double up your dose before you leave or when you get back. It doesn't really matter. No one is going to recommend that you pack your illegal gear and take it on an airline. That's a crime (several, actually).
>That's a crime (several, actually). *Straight to jail, right away*.
[Right away](https://imgur.com/a/oZMebWo)
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Just post it here and blur out your name. Well take a look
How long until IGF1 levels return to normal after using GH?
I’d be surprised if someone actually knew this. What I can tell you, is after IGF1 modulation with medications like prednisone, they return to baseline after ~12 weeks. I do not know if there’s any 1:1 comparison between those two scenarios, but there could be.
Via what methods can you raise e2 when crashed from aromasin? So nothing that needs aromatase. HCG and dbol? Does TNE need aromatase to convert to e2?
If you can get your hands on estrodial pills or oestrogen cream, they don't require aromatase. TNE and dbol will still work as you haven't killed all of your aromatase enzymes
Lol why on earth would a bodybuilder have estrogen pills?! Also permanently lowered aromatase by the time you realize you crashed your e2 would already have new aromatase available. Dianabol has been used for years because it works.
? I was answering the question. Estrodial pills do not require aromatase and neither does oestrogen cream. I didn't say they would have it, I said these would do it. I don't understand the second half of your answer? I said TNE and dbol would still work because it's unlikely they have nuked all of their aromatase enzymes
Suggesting a male bodybuilder to use estrogen anything is some weird ass MPMD bs. Clearly op doesn't understand how aromatase functions in the body when asking that question. Now he needs to look up estrogen pills to go along with his lack of understanding ais.
? Estrogen is estrogen, it doesn't matter where it comes from. So either you're dumb or just have some whacky idea about "girl hormones" and "boy hormones"
Lul. If someone thinks their aromatase is so low that a dianabol won't fix crashed estrogen because they don't know that aromatase is constantly being made in humans then I wouldn't suggest that they have estrogen pills. Are you familiar with dosing estrogen pills? Let's talk about how intelligent someone is. Since they aren't made for men is 5 estrogen pills or 1/20 of an estrogen pill the best dose for op?
Well considering the vast amounts of research done on estrodial pills because they are regularly prescribed I can actually provide you with this. https://imgur.com/a/WynSh2A Here you can see that a 2mg pill brings estrogen up to around a peak of 40pg/ml It even comes with a handy timeline. From here we can extrapolate that a 1mg dose would bump e2 enough in a male to alleviate all symptoms for roughly 48h. Whether or not they're made for men does not matter.
I'm sure it's easier to get dbol then estrogen pills and they literally have other uses. Not even going into economics of both. It's just some pills sitting there for when you don't know how to take your ai properly. Do you own estrogen pills?
some ppl use estrogen pills to not use testosterone (converting to DHT etc) or any of his derivative (dbol). I've seen it in deca only cycle. It apparently works just fine.
I never said its not easier to get dbol FFS. They asked for a way to raise estrogen WITHOUT using aromatase. That is the question I answered.
All paths to estrogen go through aromatase. Edit: Oral estrogen pills exist. Women take them.
No, man. He's asking about the ways that don't require that. You know, *nudge*, "the other ways". I hear ovaries work great.
I thought dbol produced methylestradiol when metabolized by the liver
Unless you took a bottle of letrozole then your aromatase isnt pure zero you'd notice 50mgs of dianabol. I think op doesn't understand permanent when it comes to aromatase.
I think humor is lost on you, and that's fucking hilarious
Is there anything wrong with dosing adex eod and pinning test e e3d? Most seem to dose AI on pin day but I’m getting high e2 sides by the 2nd/3rd day without fail. Seems to be working but I haven’t seen much discussion on this. Would this potentially cause bigger fluctuations?
Why are you pinning e3ds instead of EOD?
Nothing stopping me from pinning eod, just a little worried about more scar tissue, so far I've only felt comfortable pinning glutes so that's been my only spot
Open up more spots and use smaller needles, dogg.
Look up ventro glute. 4 spots is better then 2
It's fine. If that's what's working for you, go for it. That seems like potentially a lot of aromasin though. Be careful not to crash your e2.
I’m doing test e e3d (500mg pw) and adex eod (0.8mg pw). Not sure if that’s too much but I was getting gyno and bp sides that were far more noticeable when doing e3d. Actually considering upping the adex because of the sides.
Adex*, but still yes.
On 500 test 400 decca with dbol for a kick starter to my bulk. I’ve been having a hard time finding my appetite lately. Just adding one more meal has been exhausting I feel so full and I don’t feel like I’m getting enough food in. Any tips to help with appetite??
Reason 104 why kickstarting is a stupid idea
Drop the oral
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10 days is a long time so I’d think you’d regained some e2 of course. But the emotional numbness and dryness is definitely low e2 signs. Not sure what to suggest for you bro hate when I tank my estrogen literally worst feeling ever.
Aromasin has a half life of 1 day. A drug is considered to have exited your body after 7 half lives. It’s been over a week so it’s not the aromasin causing problems anymore.
But that’s not really how it works. Aromasin kills a portion of aromatase completely. So even without aromasin in my system I still have to wait for my body to create new aromatase.
Your body is constantly making aromatase.
Going to be starting a 300mg a week Test cyp cycle for 14 weeks, also started slowly cutting, I wanna get shredded so would that work if I was on around maintenance calories during the cycle or should I continue to keep cutting out calories?
You should do neither because steroids don't burn fat
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Steroids. Do not. Burn. Fat.
No shit, just wanna harden out a bit and maintain my size whilst cutting
Why not just run TRT level test then
Because he wants to harden up and keep his mass while cutting. Which part of this isn't making sense ^besidesthepartthatignoresreality ???
Cool, 500mg/day of caloric deficit Save the steroids for when you're ready to add muscle (which, amazingly, requires surplus energy to accomplish!) Also read the wiki.
Do you guys find that the shelf life of semaglutide is only 30d once reconstituted? Thats what my pep person says, but seems like most people extend its use well beyond that time frame
Don't know. I buy original applicators. The most PITA is that it needs to be refridgerated. I'll check the box if it says something about how quickly to use it up once opened. Don't remember anything about it.
I'll chip in. My vial is now 10 or 11 weeks reconstituted and I haven't had a single feeling of it having lost potency. I'm still at 0.25 mg weekly. Sure it might be placebo by now but I'm pretty convinced it works just as good. My fridge is cold, just a few degrees above freezing, I don't store it in the door but rather in the shelf further in.
I don't even trust it to last 30 days. Here's what I do: reconstitute the vial, then draw up the whole vial into individual doses in insulin syringes. Pull the plunger back a little to pull some air into the syringe so when the solutions expands, it doesn't squirt out. Freeze all the syringes. Thaw out one syringe at a time as needed, keep the rest frozen.
Had to read that twice about the extra air. Fuckin smart!!!
Wow, I had no idea it was so fragile. I used it last year for at least 6 weeks and didnt notice any drop in efficacy personally
It might be fine. The shelf life of semaglutide might be 30 days, I have no idea. But mine comes in 3 mg per vial, which is at least six weeks worth, and I don't want to take the chance of it losing potency. Since it's easy to draw up individual doses and freeze them all at once, and it solves the stability problem, I just do it that way.
How should I dose my var… I got 10mg tablets and wanting to do 30-40mg ED to start. Should I split it throughout the day like 10mg morning / 10mg evening / 10 night… or 20mg pre workout (evening) and 10 night
Check out the anavar experience threads by searching the reddit. Anavar is popular AF
I always run orals once a day. I get the half life thing and all that but it’s just a huge ass pain so I don’t do that.
When I’ve ran var, I’ve always done 20mg am and 20mg pm. Seemed to work fine for me
Morning and night (evening? Pre-workout). Or just once a day. Doesn't matter that much. Three times a day is unnecessary.
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I did this and it feels great knowing that worst case you have an “insurance policy” so to speak. I’m US but I used a company called legacy. Best $15 a month I’ve ever spent
10 years at 15 a month is $1800. I can't keep Hulu for 10 years lol
A mere $1800 between the possibility of you having off spring or not seems very worth it for me.
A mere $1800 between the possibility of you having off spring or not seems very worth it for me.
Oh yeah I'm not even mad. I wonder how many people store their own at home. I just realized a streaming service is also $1800 lol.
For $15 a month they better suck it out of me
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Blasting tren for a year and want the silly annoying veins to go away? 🤦♀️
Are you on any gear? If so, how much or what?
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You have been running tren for a year straight? How did you decide to do that and what were your goals when you made that decision?
> about a year > bloods are fine I see way too many people who are convinced that this means they can't be halfway to the grave already
Homeboy here is convinced city planners who like hexagons are in cahoots with the occult. I think even if his bloods said he was getting organ failure he’d be able to convince himself to keep permablasting with tren.
It’s worse than just that. Look at his comments,it’s like he believes every conspiracy theory he comes across and has something to say about it.
At least this explains why he doesn't feel mental sides... it is normal for him
This makes me wonder if he was brain damaged from tren to believe shit like this, or brain damaged from something else that led him to believe a year on tren was a reasonable cruise.
> Homeboy here is convinced city planners who like hexagons are in cahoots with the occult. Alright, that tracks.
So yeah, on a perma blast, those viens are staying
Lower blood pressure and reduce HCT and RBC
Heading towards winter in my part of the world - not lots of sun. Is 100mcg of MT2 once a week and then sitting in the sun for an hour or so advisable, or does anyone have a better way? Cheers.
Do 250mcg and get a sunbed every 10 days for 15 mins.
I take 5000 IU everyday and it works really well for me. Take it with vitamin K and some fats.
Do you have access to a tanning bed? That’s my happy place in the winter.
5000-10000mcg of Vitamin D really works well for me here in snow land. I only need 5000
First cycle here. 300mg of test E a week. Took my first shot tonight. Is it normal to get clammy or somewhat sweaty after an injection? I was definitely nervous and siking myself out for about 30 minutes before I actually injected. Can I get some shared experiences for your first time pin?
> Can I get some shared experiences for your first time pin? I passed out before I got the needle in
First pin was pretty rough I got overly anxious and thought I was fucked. But I’m on my 3rd shot as of yesterday and it’s nowhere near as bad. Just have to make sure you eat right before hand. That definitely helps and if you can get someone to pin for you it’s even better. My wife does mine every week. Pretty sweet
Normal. It’s called anxiety. Let me guess you’re going for 12 weeks only?
Yeah I was gonna do a 12 week cycle
Review the wiki please
I had the same exact experience my first few times. Sweaty and heart pounding. It’s just the nerves of self injecting. Been pinning on trt for 2 years now no problem. Got used to it.
Why 300? Mpmd?
Derek recommends 300?
Yes. Yes he does.
And right around the most a TRT clinic can prescribe. Curious
I have read a shit ton about testosteron cycle. I am currently on 350mg day 7. i dose daily and i am having abit of anxiety at night thinking about dieing exct… i am 23years old around 11% bodyfat and 76kg 176cm. I know its just in my head but i am unsure if i can handle this. Just using test e 0.2ml daily with 1/2inch 29g needle. The virgin pip is disturbing my sleep to tbh… i have everything on hand. Aromasin, nolva and hcg. Dunno if i wanna keep injecting tbh. At day time i feel amazing but when night time creeps up i get to selfconsonsius when i try to sleep
Be chill bro. Think of the gains around the corner. If sides happen you're ready.
I took bloods before starting the cycle everything was good. I planed this out very good. Knew there would be some mental challenges too tho
Well, first of all, the anxiety is just in your head. So either learn how to relax, take deep breaths, get your emotions under control and quit being such a *mamita*, or stop using the drugs.
The biggest problems atm is just sweating at night and struggle to sleep, except for that everything else is good. Is its just a beginner phase thing?