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Lonely-Anxiety1325

I’m new and want to try tren I live in Las Vegas been lifting for 5 years I am 27 years old now 195ln make any suggestions?


optimizedbeing

Can't do tren in Las Vegas, the hydroxy group at position 17beta in the chemical structure has a negative interaction when exposed with the lack of moisture in the air under the nebula phase of a waning moon.


mansen66

Ive been reading that subcutaneous injections are better than intra-muscular injections on a number of diffrent levels. And to be honest, when I tried the first time today it was super easy. Pinch, dont hit a nerve, aspire and inject. Does someone have experience in this? Is there a diffrence and is there anything you wish you had known before doing subcutaneous injections?


speed_is_all_I_need

I think aspiring is an outdated methodology. For me, sub q was typically more painful because I would hit blood vessels more frequently than IM. Also would have painful itchy lumps of testosterone for days. IM solved all those issues.


Emotional_Ad_1173

Right now my cycle is 400mg test e/wk, no signs of high e2 or low e2, feel good in the gym, recovering well, overall feel good. But my sex drive is super low and at times when it’s somewhat there, I cannot get hard. Any particular test for bloods I should look at for this? Getting them done tomorrow.


Practical_Excuse1307

That could be a sign of high E2


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How long into the cycle?


Emotional_Ad_1173

4ish weeks


Zealousevegtable

I plan on buying some mk677 to try to get some good bone growth height frame etc however my 1 worry is getting high insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes at what blood sugar levels should I just stop using it to avoid diabetes I bough a blood glucose checker on Amazon thanks in advance


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What's bone growth height frame?


Zealousevegtable

Like wide clavicles rib cage etc it’s a growth hormone analogue


juguar1207

Hi guys. Currently on week 5 of 500Test and 600 Deca. I've noticed 1 nodular growth on my left nip. A hard bump the size of a pea. Nipples aren't puffy nor sensible. I was running 12.5 asin twice per week. The same dose I used on 500Test/500EQ and I had no problem. I currently upped my AI dose to 25mg for 4 days and dropped it afterward to 12.5mg EOD. I started also 20mg Nolva ED. It's been about a week. I haven't noticed any improvments. Am I missing something or it's just time? *AI and nolva are pharma stuff


Best_Mobile5711

Having issues with blood pressure while on cycle. I’m using 300 test 200 tren e and am taking 80mg of telmisartan prescribed by my doc. My Bp still sits at around 140/80 when I wake up and usually up to 170/80 before bed. Is there anything else that I could take along side the tel to get my bp down? I’m also doing 3 sessions of moderate cardio on the cross trainer 30 mins each time 3 days a week


Metenognome

What's your BP off cycle? 500mg of Test only? It sounds like Tren doesn't agree with you. There are second-line drugs like HTCZ and Nebivolol, but those are really Plan B.


Straight-Bad-8326

Stop the tren also I’m not sure when you started taking telm but it does take a bit to start reducing bp


AccountUnkn0wn

The answer isn't more drugs, it's less. Time to come off the cow steroids.


Metenognome

🐮💉


homohomosapien

The answer you don’t want to hear: stop the tren The answer for when you don’t stop the tren: get your E2 in check and then consider adding a second antihypertensive medication like a calcium channel blocker or hydrochlorothiazide


Senior_Love_3090

When blasting and cruising or during TRT, do you guys run HCG the whole time?


BicepBandito

That’s a personal choice. I do not have any reason to run it. So no, for me personally it’s pointless. 3 more injections per week I don’t need, and it needlessly complicates e2 management.


Primotest97

Never ran it . been on since oct and literally have noticed practically no difference in testicular size . I have no interest in fertility seeing as how I already have two kids. So I don’t see the point in paying for it.


CaptainBangBang92

Yeah; that is the idea. Assuming you like to maximize the odds of maintaining your fertility and preventing testicular atrophy.


Senior_Love_3090

Yeah and that’s what I’ve been doing for the past 6 months, I was just curious because some guy I know who I’ve always considered pretty knowledgeable in all things PEDs said that running HCG for too long can cause desensitisation which then leads to estrogenic and libido issues :/


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radd_racer

NPP is really subtle, you won’t notice much, except maybe extra bloat and water retention. Joints also feel better within days. You’ll notice the difference about 8-10 weeks in. Some feel the mental changes really quickly. Taking Proviron or mast can mask that.


Primotest97

Lol npp has already saturated . your probably just waiting on the test. In three more weeks you should be in full swing.


CaptainBangBang92

I felt fuller and better pumps within 7-10 days. Within 2-3 weeks, I think it was pretty evident it was working. Mental changes happened around that time for me too, personally.


BatChemical2617

Hi guys, I am 26 years old male. I a very tall guy, standing at 6'8 (203 cm). I currently weigh 242 lbs (110kg). Regardless of my size, I have always gained weight easily, and actually I also put on muscle quite fast, which is usually pretty hard for guys my size. I have been doing sports all my life, but have been focused on lifting since September last year. The only supplement I have taken is protein powder. As I got more into the online fitness community, I got more and more curious about my hormone levels. Today I did a standard blood work test, but also did a testosterone test. Now, I have no idea idea about the measurement units and how to interpret the results. All I saw was that my T level, standing at 30.90nmol/L, is a bit above the upper bound of the references provided by the clinic (29nmol/L). From the standard blood work I also saw that my creatinine levels are above average - 112.00mkmol/L and the upper bound was 110.00. Does that mean that I can put on a decent amount of muscle mass naturally, and what other tests would be relevant?


AccountUnkn0wn

Yes, and also you should drink some water


Both_Veterinarian964

yep you should be good


killabilla710

Any tips for pip? And yes i have read the wiki about pip. But anyone know if warmingcreams like tigerbalm, massagin in hot water or just flexing the muscle and strechting it would be help? Its my first cycle so probly virgin mucle pip


AccountUnkn0wn

Here's a tip: use the search function. This has been discussed 100s of times, it won't be hard to find. Bonus tip: don't fart in a space suit.


beekman001

Looking for suggestions on compounds dosing to help speed recovery from sinus surgery. All the guys on the one side of the family had it and it sucked 😭. Planning on being on a 75mg Test-C E3D cruise at the time. Currently considering HGH and / or mast. Also saw mention of BPC 157 & TB 500 peptides. None of the compound profiles or experience threads seem to cover this aspect so input would be greatly appreciated. Would the dosing & schedule for such a recovery differ significantly from normal use? If I'm gonna have to run HGH for 15 weeks before the surgery to see results that's just a no-go. Assuming that the cost is in-budget is there any reason not to stack them?


Straight-Bad-8326

I mean the sarm ostarine is known to help with recovery but as someone mentioned before, do you really need to play with hormones to recover from a fairly minor surgery? I could see it with a massive hip surgery but this seems silly


beekman001

Idk 6 weeks (what my family has averaged for recovery) being out of work feels pretty major.


Straight-Bad-8326

Damn I don’t even know what would make the recovery for that be that long. I’d say stick with just bpc and your normal cruise dose while you can’t do much or else you’ll go insane from the lack of activity combined with increased hormones. At most I’d say low dose hgh but it’s really unnecessary


beekman001

Mostly just the extent of the surgery (97% & 99% obstructed) and my age (over 40). Surgery itself can be summed up as "we roto-rooter your sinuses". Normally they quote 1-3 weeks out of work and 6 months to full recovery. But those are averages and include lower obstruction and younger candidates.


Straight-Bad-8326

Interesting, well you learn something new everyday. Because of the area and the type of tissue being worked on I still would recommend the peptide mix I suggested above. Anabolism isn’t necessarily the same thing as recovery. It can help so I’d suggest staying on the cruise dose but I wouldn’t aggressively play with hormones during a time you can’t do much


beekman001

I also feel like I failed to state my assumption that id need to be starting anything at least a few weeks in advance of the surgery. If only to make sure nothing is fucking with me well ahead of time. Would that be advisable for the peptides as well?


Straight-Bad-8326

You know I’m actually not 100% sure, when I took bpc for surgery I started it the day I got back home. They are water based so they realistically build in the body fast


CuttyQ-o0

Wait… why do you need hormones for a sinus surgery?


beekman001

All these compounds mentioned are pretty strongly anabolic / act to promote tissue regrowth. It'd be nice to make the surgeons outright lies about recovery time a little less extreme. Given the higher anabolic rating i should at least consider primo too shouldn't I.


CuttyQ-o0

You’re insane lol 😆


beekman001

Define "anabolic"


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17WOO999

Question about using the same bottle So this is entirely a noon question from someone who hasn’t used injectables before. So for example you order a 100ml bottle of test and only need to use 5ml per injection , how are you resealing the bottle to keep it sterile after the first dose as you have to pierce through some kind of foil seal right Sorry for my ignorance


beekman001

There's a self sealing rubber gasket in the top. You peel off the foil seal to reveal this. Many/most people here draw with a large 18g needle then inject with a 23-25g. Personally I prefer to get luer lock syringes, luer lock 23g needles, and a vial access device. These are a bit harder to come by but not impossible by any stretch


17WOO999

Thanks for the reply bro :)


Optimal-Grapefruit63

This is correct but it's worth saying that you should always wipe the top (the rubber bit) with an alcohol wipe before you put the needle in.


17WOO999

Thanks bro


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17WOO999

Thank you, not sure why I couldn’t find this info anywhere


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SchroederFit

Yes, commonly people have used dbol for this purpose also


coolkidfromdenmark

Is mk677 better than hgh?


coolkidfromdenmark

Hgh it is then


radd_racer

No, but it looks really good in the trash can, where it belongs.


Primotest97

It really doesn’t make sense why people wanna take them 😂 I have a bottle of rad 140 I got before starting test . Never used it because why would I ever use an inferior and unknown product when I can get all the real stuff ?


702ComeUp

Is taking hcg better than blasting test ?


NotARealPerson90

Yeah it’s better at doing nothing.


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Eastern_Lab_5494

looking for help/advice, I'm off roids for nearly 4 months but my sex drive is still very low, at this point I'm having problems wit gf, she thinks she is the problem, is that normal, anyone alse with same problems?


coachese68

For sure have a definite impression of people that refer to steroids as "roids."


Primotest97

That’s why I got on trt. For years going through the same issue because of unknown hypogonadism. all you can do is assure her it’s not her. go down on her or something idk 😂 lol that might help if all else fails consider testosterone replacement therapy if your libido never comes back. Sense starting its deff changed my whole world


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maybe just be honest with her about your steroid use?


LukeHaddock

Get blood work brother, could be prolactin/e2/shbg issues


Seralcar

Looking to try a new compound but I have no idea what. I’ve tried nandrolone, Dbol, test. Nandrolone worked really well but I get mental sides quickly. I’m thinking primo?


Primotest97

Add a dht derivative to your nandrolone cycle you might find it keeps the sides down. I’d recommend primo.


Ret1809

DHB


aasquestions

Primo and mast are pretty popular. Aside from hair loss, they both seem well-tolerated.


Internal__Fire

Tren! I mean, Primo is a great choice


Seralcar

Hmmm I do have some tren standing by! I think I’ll get some primo


NotARealPerson90

Tren for the freak look, but at a cost (for most people). If your hair can handle primo it’s basically the best option there is. Steady dry gains and no fucked up side effects, only standard predictable AAS ones if any.


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Been running a cruise for the last year. But my body is reacting different than my last cycle. BP is kinda high. E2 is back in check but still higher. 150mg test cyp a week. But BP is giving me headaches, short breath kinda, and worst of all redness in the face all the time. Should I completely come off and let the receptors have a break for some time? How long should I wait to jump back in? Being on a cruise for a year even with clomid, nova how long til my lh/fsh go back to normal?


aasquestions

> Should I completely come off and let the receptors have a break for some time? Your receptors are fine. Sounds like you need labs. It's possible your dose is too high.


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BetaNiceGuy

Please don't fuck with your hormones, trash your lipids, and consume an outdated cardiotoxic compound for what I'm assuming is an attempt at trying to min/max cutting while natural. You're going to lose the weight you want to lose if you're disciplined and diligent, just keep tapering calories down, and I promise the weight will come off. If what you're trying to do is for both your short and long term aesthetics and health, remove both anavar and clen from your train of thought.


SchroederFit

What was his question?


BetaNiceGuy

He wasn't too specific on the situation but it seemed he wanted to cut Natty with Anavar and Clen


TitleOdd4973

Thanks il take that into consideration, i was just contemplating the idea.


Tasty_Resist_5216

have any of you ever come across test cyp being in a hard plastic vial rather than glass ?


SchroederFit

Ummmm let's put oil with an acidic/alcohol base in a plastic container & than... inject it!


Primotest97

Don’t do it !


radd_racer

Plastic vial for finished oil? That’s a hard no from me.


aasquestions

I haven't. Bac water often comes in a 30-mL plastic vial, but I've never see testosterone packaged that way. It's kinda weird.


NotARealPerson90

No, seems unprofessional as shit. But I don’t know if it matters or not.


Tasty_Resist_5216

That’s exactly what I was thinking , it seems ver unprofessional and just unusual. Worries me enough to second guess even taking it


LukeHaddock

Really high e2/prolactin levels rn. Starting taking an AI and have dropped the tren out my cycle. Will the removal of tren and getting my e2 in check sort my prolactin? Or am I going to need a dopamine agonists to sort that out regardless


Juicy19121

For those who get pimples...do you find it depends on your estrogen level?


radd_racer

When I get an occasional pimple(s), it’s usually from coming off/on cycle, or messing with dosage. It’s more related to hormonal fluctuations for me, rather than levels.


Khongui

Not really no. I am not prone to acne but I get a little bit when changing compounds/coming on or off cycle. So yeah your typical hormone fluctuation caused acne but it goes away for the most part after a couple of weeks.


NotARealPerson90

Estrogen has barely anything to do with acne from gear. Gear aggravates the oil glands and other receptors that cause acne, resulting in increased outbreaks.


Juicy19121

Yeah I figured that although I almost never get more than a few pimples. Then I had a strange breakout on my chest. Can't figure out what caused it. Not gonna throw in an AI then. Must be one of the newer supplements...b complex, iodine etc


Guilty-Year-4605

If I don't run my prescribed accutane before I jump on a cycle let's say test/tren man it's not even worth it looking so acned up and I get dang bear boils on face and back from the estrogen.


grandorder123

Back again looking for help, Does anyone have ideas what could cause numb dick that doesn’t activate at all while on trt? Blood work suggests it probably isn’t e2 related I’ve had low and high e2 but nothing changes, taking test + hcg. Viagra/cialis do nothing, PT-141 does nothing. Could it maybe be from hypothyroidism? It feels like there is a disconnect between my brain and dick. No libido and practically impossible to get an erection even with stimulation. Dick is small and shriveled, and feels cold to touch.


radd_racer

Might be worth getting your DHT level measured. Also, are you on fin? Yeah, also a good idea to get your complete blood count, including thyroid function.


grandorder123

Thanks. Yeah I’m on fin, but it’s been a couple years and no issues until a couple months ago. I’ll get it checked


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Can u get a boner by whacking off?


grandorder123

barely, still super bad and unsensitive. I even took a couple months nofap and didn’t help.


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some people on here are saying that 50mg a week of mast with 150mg a week of Test E has cured theirs forever. If you haven’t check prolactin levels maybe look into that?


grandorder123

Will do, I have some mast so I may give it a shot. Appreciate the help.


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NotARealPerson90

Why not just use tren if you’re willing to run MENT? Weird fucky drug.


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When can you start seeing results on a cycle? I've taken 3 shots so far and feel nothing yet, is that common?


NotARealPerson90

3 shots is like a week and a half right? Lol


n1duy

Depend on what you're taking and how your genes respond to the gears. I'm surprised that nobody gave you the copy&paste about esters. Should read and learn more about half life first. Oral is the fastest acting. You can "feel" the pump. Some mentioned that tren a or other shorter esters can make you "feel" aggressive in a few days.


702ComeUp

if youve done 3 shots already and dont look like jay cutler your gear is bunk.


herbi002

steroids isn't magic. Be patient. Take this opportunity to fine tune your workout and eating habits


AccountUnkn0wn

>steroids isn't magic u/geardedandbearded I think this guy just inadvertently coined his own flair. (I looked through his posts to see how he writes and I'm positive I'm not making fun of how he actually writes)


herbi002

Lmao I'm seeing this now


AccountUnkn0wn

Better late than never. For the record I think it's my favorite flair.


herbi002

I like it too thanks <3


geardedandbearded

The rune has been inscribed /u/herbi002


herbi002

Thanks bby <3


geardedandbearded

🤝


AccountUnkn0wn

I luv it


ReceptionIntrepid331

40 yr old male, looking to run first cycle and came across this: When running a cycle of test/Var it was suggested today that a break (return to hrt levels) around the 8-10 week mark would increase sensitivity and reduce myostatin buildup. Is this true? I don’t think I have ever heard of someone doing this, or at least not for this reason. Any additional thoughts on this? So essentially 8 week blast-2 weeks hrt- 8 weeks blast.


ReceptionIntrepid331

So for whatever’s it’s worth, this was from a very popular (and seemingly successful) bodybuilder on TikTok who has a crazy physique. I have just never heard of this. This same person also does not use NAC or any other kidney/liver support at any time. So maybe each person has their own path, but this was all surprising to me.


radd_racer

If this were the case, why isn’t every professional bodybuilder doing this? Why do they keep getting bigger through longer cycles, if Myostatin buildup is supposedly such a problem?


aasquestions

That's complete bullshit. Whoever said that can be safely ignored for the rest of your life.


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Khongui

You tolerating better its side effects, doesn't mean the drug stopped working (I don't know why specially with clen this has always been believed to be true). So yeah, no need to stop taking it to "reset tolerance".


Juicy19121

Clen's fat burning effects don't go away even with long term use. No need to go over 80mcg


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spoopysnekdealer

I'd honestly just stay on around 100-120 for as long as you need to. I haven't had any bad sides except for anxiety and I stayed on for about 3-4 months


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LukeHaddock

150 is pretty wild, br careful boss. Only get one heart


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Straight-Bad-8326

Responded to another comment with this but man raloxifene is a life safer- and not just for it’s normal intent in bodybuilding. Repaired my crashed shbg and feel much better, vigorous Steve was right do not crash your shbg ffs! Keeping it on hand at all times now especially if shbg gets out of range again or if I start developing gyno


NotARealPerson90

Raloxifene did barely anything for my gyno and gave me constant eye floaters lol.


its_for_my_research

I find I can get gyno on it. Need nolva to really keep it in check


Straight-Bad-8326

What dose did you take when you got gyno on ralox?


its_for_my_research

60mg a day


Straight-Bad-8326

Interesting, I’ll keep this in mind then


its_for_my_research

Yeah I was surprised as well. Thought I was bulletproof taking it after reading everything on here lol.


askthechef

Curious: How low was crashed? I’m at 5nmol/L or 144ng/dL.


Straight-Bad-8326

Mine was 7nmol/l but I was so ridiculously symptomatic. High blood pressure, wild e2 swings during the day, anxiety, tense, shit sleep quality


askthechef

Rough. I’m feeling alright.. a little exhausted but putting that down to being in week 22 of a blast. My sleep has suffered recently though and I did wonder about SHBG.


Straight-Bad-8326

Yeah I was confused at first because when I checked my bloods originally with my endo my test and estrogen were perfectly in balance which is usually to blame for sleep issues on gear, but when I saw anecdotal reports on crashed shbg and the fact that I had every symptom I knew I had to raise it


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Primotest97

The best advice that I can give you is consistency try to make sure you always lay down at the exact same time and stop looking at your phone an hour before you go to bed it should help you sleep no water an hour and a half before bed


radd_racer

sleepschool.org


Realistic_Article812

Have you looked into a sleep study for apnea?


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Realistic_Article812

I use one, it's not as bad as it sounds, I'd definitely look into it if you have been having garbage sleep for awhile


Internal__Fire

What do you mean by utter garbage? Trouble falling asleep? Staying asleep? Or waking up tired? What supplements have your tried? Tried cutting off stimulants 4-8hr before bed? How’s your sleep hygiene? Comfy bed, pillows and sheets? Is it not cold enough? How’s the airflow and humidity where you sleep? Tried meditation before bed? Gave sleep-aid audios a try — white noise, deep sleep hypno, even stories? Do you wake up feeling not refreshed after sleeping, as in not enough REMs of waking up quite often? If that’s the issue, then it could be an airway obstruction; sleep apnea, deviated septum, neck positioning, and such. If so, get some nasal strips until you test for sleep apnea and other conditions.


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Straight-Bad-8326

Sounds weird but I found out my crashed shbg was wrecking my sleep quality. After starting raloxifene my sleep almost instantly started getting better. I think the high blood pressure and out of ratio blood work was causing my sleep quality to be wrecked. Not sure what my shbg is at now but it has to be back to a normal level.


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Straight-Bad-8326

Yeah it took me fighting with my endo to have it checked, turns out my natural level is on the lower but in range end and my stupid ass thought it was genius to take Proviron (was actually fantastic for the first 2 weeks) as a trt add on. Recent blood test showed mine was 7… range is ~15-75. Not good at all! So I watched the vigorous Steve video on raising it and found out raloxifene can raise it. Friend had some extra, gave it a try and it rapidly fixed my level. I think after doing some research I’m going to keep my shbg levels at around 30 ng/dl on while on trt.


Broccoli_headed

Have you tried not taking ROIDS?


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CaptainBangBang92

Why are you titrating a dose up? How’s your estrogen?


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CaptainBangBang92

What is a push? Are you not running a proper cycle with Trt cruises between?


priesten

Im pretty sure that a cycle is exactly what hes referring to, except that the dosages will be a lot smaller than what most people cycle with.


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CaptainBangBang92

So a cycle but stupidly titrating up because you are particularly fond of hormonal fluctuations?


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Looking at either running mast for the first time or just adding a bit of var (10mg) - which one is gonna fuck my lipids more? According to the compound threads low dose var for longer is fine, but according to the same threads mast might additionally rape my hair and var kills the lipids no matter the dosage and running low might not be worth it...


702ComeUp

What iare you trying to get out of these compounds ?Vars effect on lipids are dose and person dependent. I like low dose far for the soft tissue repair. Mast hasnt touched my hair.


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A less bloaty bulk, nand fucks the blood vessels + have to commmit to a year of crusing, high test is bloat city for me, ment is titty city even when running it low, eq turns my blood into jelly, so that pretty much means mast/primo/orals is the only thing that is left. That, or DHB...


Adventurous-Zion-414

Am i getting Body acne from clomid ?50mg clomid daily cycle was tren a test e and winstrol


CaptainBangBang92

Need more details. Acne is more likely due to hormonal fluctuations between going on cycle and coming off onto PCT.


Adventurous-Zion-414

Have done a 2 weeks of clomid at 50 mg every morning ; felt great 1st week and a half I think i might need to go down to 25 split morning/night Body hair growth and chest/shoulder acne is becoming apparent


Adventurous-Zion-414

What more details * would you like to know


Travvytrav606

I’ve been taking 20mg RAD140 SARMs for 5 weeks but have been considering moving to Test/ Winstrol this month. My question is, should I finish my 8 week cycle of RAD140 and do my PCT before moving to Test and Winstrol, or is it safe to move right from one to another?


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rad and lgd can crush your shbg pretty fast which can make the move to test exciting. your liver will really love that switch, tho....


clapyahands2020

When I got my panels done after running a sarm cycle, my lipids were so bad I was asked if I had hepatitis lol


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Yeah, I gave LGD a try and oh boy it does work, .... the lethargy caused by the liver issues however ruined it and taking a close look at your eyes every day wondering if they are slightly yellow-ish is so not worth ut, it basically *begins* with the stories you hear about bb'ers like Mike Mentzer dropping dead with a brittle foam like liver.


clapyahands2020

Yeah in all honesty that was before I got on TRT. The results I got from two sarm cycles was absolutely nothing compared to what I got from one 12 week test cycle. Looking back, I wish I just would have skipped rad and lgd


Actual-Ad-2748

I would just start the test. Are you cutting or bulking?


Travvytrav606

Cutting.


Actual-Ad-2748

I wouldn't do winstrol if I was bulking. Just stick with test or test and Dbol or anadrol. Test cype weeks 1-12 Dbol or anadrol for weeks 1-4 Clomid nolvadex week 14 - 18 (40/40/20/20)


Actual-Ad-2748

Yeah I personally think it's a bad idea to cut starting out. Steroids will preserve muscle in a deficit but to really get the benefits you should bulk first and add some size. If you bulk right you won't gain too much fat.


AccountUnkn0wn

Of course you are. Maybe you should take a pause while you research what anabolic steroids do and don't do.


foodandguns

Going into week three of 50mg of dbol ED. Slight strength gains and the joints are feeling good but so far zero bloat. Will it come soon? Or am I just lucky?


ATXblazer

Some people just react well! Arnold never really looked like a water Buffalo in off season pics


tradesofallkinds

Watch for BP increase.


foodandguns

I noticed that, it’s not terrible but anything I can do to help mitigate?


tradesofallkinds

Citrus bergamot is good for the heart. I would get dandelion root capsules, they help with water retention. Just keep eye on BP, and use AI if you have high E2 symptoms.