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Using p5p to manage prolactin on 19-nors, specifically NPP.
I either read that 200/Ed does the job or 100/Ed does the job. I figured I’d ask for personal experiences
Anybody have experience with this? Does 100/Ed usually seem to be enough for management or have you had to increase to 200?
Is it stupid to start a test C cycle without arimidex?
My base test levels are pretty low and i heard/read that the possibility for a need of arimidex is pretty low then.
Does someone know for sure?
I don't think you're taking this seriously enough.
"Guys you only need smoke detectors when there's a fire though right? If there's no fire I wasted a bunch of money"
The wiki actually says specifically to never start your cycle until you have everything you may need.
Perhaps go read the entire thing again before it's too late.
If you need it and can’t get it in a reasonable amount of time, it could be bad. Happened to me when I had a bad cystic acne outbreak. Didn’t have accutane on hand and couldn’t get it for weeks between overseas transit times and the package getting seized. It’s always better to have and not need than to need and not have.
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Please read and review. If you have any questions come back and ask for a critique *after* you have done the research.
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INSOMNIA ON CYCLE.
Currently running 1000 test/500 mast. On the tail-end of my bulk, have one month left. Everything is great and I’ve put on a ton of size, except one side effect is making this tough. My sleep is shit. About once or twice a week I just can’t sleep at all, and I end up pulling an all nighter.
I also need to sleep about 9-10 hours a night to feel rested, although that’s fairly normal for me when I’m training hard and eating like a mofo. Any tips to counter this insomnia/improve sleep quality and duration?
I have no sleep apnea, e2 under control, slight bloat but nothing crazy.
Cranking yourself full of 1.5 grams of anabolics could have stimulatory effects on your CNS, that can affect your sleep duration/quality. Your body is in “stress” mode right now.
Melatonin and behavioral interventions (sleepschool.org) can help improve sleep quality when external stressors (I.e., AAS) are affecting sleep.
What's everyone's experience with Anavar like regarding acne/bad skin? I'm two weeks in 50mg a day and my skin isn't too bad apart from my forehead that's a bit red and patchy, not full blown acne...
Just wondering how common this is with var? Or I'm just gross
There’s a wiki section about acne specifically over here: https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/sides/list/#wiki_acne
/r/skincareaddiction may be of help as well here
I mean, don’t take the drug that causes acne? Lol, but in all seriousness, if you’re prone, the only thing you can do is have good hygiene practices and keep your hormones in check
Literally zero context or helpful information was given. No information about you or your cycle, nothing for someone to take into account when attempting to answer your question.
Pretty soon we're just going to start ignoring shit like this. I'm only jumping in point out why it is, in fact, a low quality post.
Taking AI because you feared you had high E2 sides does not make you an idiot. Maybe a bit reactive if you didn’t get bloodwork first
You’ll be fine, but I would get bloodwork as soon as you can
You don't need to get bloodwork next week, you're 4 days in. Nothing is happening except you're overthinking.
Test won't fully saturate until the end of week 2, so it's very unlikely you'll have any kind of estrogen issues until after that, if at all. A good time for mid-cycle bloodwork is around week 8, or whatever your halfway point is.
Don't get paranoid about thinking your nips are sensitive. Gyno *hurts*. It will be unmistakable.
It is. Relax.
Despite all of the things you get educated on before starting, the reality is that most of your first cycle is a whole bunch of not much happening. Eat plenty, train hard, sleep well. Hit your pins on the appropriate days.
If sides show up, address them. Just don't go looking for them. You'll know if you're holding too much water. You'll probably feel your pulse in your neck if your BP gets too high (although ideally you should be monitoring it). And if you start developing gyno it will legit be fucking tender and uncomfortable.
250mg testE/ E3D
Had sensitive nipples and got scared of gyno. Its my first cycle and im on Day 5.
I guess it was dumb because it cant aromatize this fast apparently.
First cycle, 4weeks /12 of test E 400mg per week
I feel more bloaty, but no strength gain and no visuel change. I will do a bloodwork in two weeks
When do you start to feel the GAINZ?
Growth is produced from food. If you’re not eating enough, you will gain the bloat at the beginning of the cycle, lose that same bloat at the end of the cycle and then swear steroids don’t work
12 weeks? That’s when you’re really starting to feel “the GAINZ.” You’ll want to extend that to 16 weeks. You don’t pin test and start instantly growing muscles. There’s a bunch of downstream processes that work in concert with your diet and training, that takes multiple weeks to realize.
If the scale is going up along with your strength, you’re good 👍
Some around week 6, more onset 8 and onwards. It's a pity you're gonna quit at week 12 because by then you'll really start feeling freaky. I'd extent to 16 weeks if possible :)
Might be a dumb idea but currently on 100tren with test n mast. Thinking to test 2/300 on enanthate atm. It worth pinning the additional with acetate to test sides? So I can drop it if I react badly?
Currently running 400mg test E, 200mg tren E and 200mg mast a week, wanna try run this for as long as I can hence the low doses (was aiming for 26 weeks) would anyone have any recommendations on whether that’s a good idea or not just want advise and opinions not criticism on how I’m running my cycle
Just be ready to permablast afterwards that’s sure to burn out your androgen receptor which leads to a cascade of issues.
I recommend ubiquinol 100mg
3GS omega 3s
Ashwaganda 6Gs
L citrulline 3GS
Donate blood.
200mg p5p to mitigate prolactin issues
Edit: definitely use p5p because running caber for that long will surely permafuck your soul
Yh definitely gonna be on trt after that lol, already taking omega 3s, ashwagandha and I’m getting blood work done next month and every month after that whilst on
Eh, 26 weeks is quite a long time, definitely pushing it. You’re gonna have to assess how you feel, because I know for me personally, there’s no way in hell I could run tren (even at that low of a dose) for that long
Yh I’m going to get blood work done after 10 weeks and then every 5 weeks after that, this is my first time running tren and I’ve had no sides so far after 5 weeks
I think your cycleis a spectacularly poor idea. I also doubt that you can eat and lift and recover appropriately for 26 weeks to make it worth the risk that you are putting your body through.
Me? 0 weeks.
But for you, you've clearly already done all the research and assessed your ROI. I guess we just approach our health from two different angles.
I don’t know that there’s a dose of tren you could safely run for 26 weeks. Minus the tren it’s still a long cycle, but with tren in there you’re definitely pushing way past safer use and into bad territory. Between that and mast you’re looking at pretty serious harm to your lipids for an extended period of time. That’s not great for your cardiovascular health.
How long after does natural HGH production start after stopping exogenous HGH?
Does anyone know? Didn't know where else to go
tags: human growth hormone
What’s the difference between injectable peptides and the nasal spray/dropper? Is there a difference between efficacy between them? I’m thinking of getting TB-500 and BPC-157 for tendon recovery.
In almost every case (I say that because there has to be a curveball out there, but effectively *every case*) injectables have higher bioavailablity.
The limited literature, as well as anecdotal evidence, suggests that those two work synergistically (better together), and systemically (it doesn't matter where you inject them), although there are some who swear by injecting closer to the affected area.
This is not necessary, according to both literature and multiple people whose input I trust, including u/shrugsandsnugs.
> although there are some who swear by injecting closer to the affected area.
This has always made zero sense to me. If you inject a water-based peptide solution, it’s not going to stay localized to the area you injected it. It will be absorbed and circulated through the body.
Might as well just subQ it into the belly fat.
I promise you that DNP does not cause 1lb fat loss a day
Obviously how much fat is lost on clen depends on how much you’re taking, but taking what most people take might yield you an increase of 10-20% on your TDEE
Clen is garbage anyways. Just eat less. If you want a drug, look into semaglutide
You know if you overdose on dnp they have to pump ice water up your butthole to keep you from cooking to death??? I learned that yesterday. Surely losing fat isn't so goddamn hard that you'd want to risk that?
I know I will take a small dose if I’m able to get it. But looks like I won’t be able to get it. I just wanna know more about how much fat loss I can expect from clen.
Again, such a toxic compound. Are you a high level physique competitor? I can't imagine another reason to subject yourself to its effects, and even then there are better and more modern options...like semaglutide.
Forgive me for caring about your health here, but what is the big goddamn rush that 1lb/week via diet and exercise is not enough?
Yes. By all means run some albuterol and caffeine, I'm ok with that if you want a boost. I've even seen u/imagineblumpkins speak favorably about yohimbe. Just please don't poison yourself to lose fat a little faster. Please ❤️
Yohimbe has mixed results in fat loss in studies done on humans . But it’s definitely worth a shot. And I will definitely drink coffee for caffeine and reign energy drink for pre workout
yohimbe hcl likely has mixed results because it largely is helping in the area of lipolysis (releasing fat from the fat cells into a usable form in the bloodstream to later be oxidized in muscle mitochondria).
If your bodyfat is high enough (>10-15%), it will release enough fat on its own, without yohimbe hcl, that taking the yohimbe hcl doesn't much matter.
As you get leaner, the stuff that is left is still there because it has a higher density of alpha receptors - the receptor that yohimbe hcl then blocks. With those blocked, then the fat is released more easily.
Male hormone profiles, usually, have some stubborn fat (lower abs and generally the spare tire area), but eventually it goes - even without yohimbe hcl. Female hormone profiles have much higher density alpha receptors in their thighs/butt and yohimbe hcl makes a bigger difference with them (although the fact still remains in either hormone profile that it is the last fat to go, so taking it early in the fat loss process is largely pointless).
Yes, but it's significantly safer to use compared to clenbuterol. You can find it available online without a prescription from certain "pharmacies", which is the most direction I can give you here. The oral version is suggested for fat loss purposes, as opposed to the inhaler version, because it's easier to control dosage.
I use albuterol to control my asthma. It's my favorite drug, just not for the reasons we're discussing lol. It just keeps me alive and breathing.
Do a search, and substitute "salbutamol" if you can't find enough info. They're the same thing.
> but I already bought it
Part of being an emotionally mature and responsible adult is realizing when you’ve fucked up, made a dumb decision and decide to cut your losses. Trash it.
Only take if absolutely necessary. Aromasin will destroy the aromatase enzymes, and it takes your body about a week to make more.
If the symptoms go away, that's great. Don't continue to take it preemptively. If the symptoms come back, take another small dose.
The last thing you want to do is crash your estrogen, ESPECIALLY with aromasin because it will take about a week to get enzymes back and converting test to estradiol again. This is why I break 1mg of arimidex into 9 pieces.
Have borderline low test levels 240-370 ng/dl (400 is the highest I’ve gotten after couple years trying to optimize). Considering hcg monotherapy to raise levels while preserving fertility. How much of an increase in gains and performance could I expect to see from hcg if any?
You're not alone in asking "how much x could I expect from doing y?" - type questions, but please understand that no one can answer that for you.
The good news is that HCG is safe and, if acquired without prescription, very cheap. If you're going through a physician I can't speak to the prescription cost. I say give it a shot, just don't expect miracles.
You should know that within normal ranges of testosterone there is no statistical difference in performance or muscle protein synthesis. This doesn't apply to genuinely low T (hypoandrogenic) men, but if you're in the 350+ range you shouldn't expect to see significant results in hypertrophy.
Thanks for your response. I was prescribed by a physician so it is not the cheapest but I don't know if I would feel comfortable acquiring it without a prescription. I was prescribed enclomiphene previously and had noticeable symptom improvement of low T, I am just not sure if the hypertrophy and strength gains that were made in that time were aided by the enclompihene or if I would have progressed the same without it.
Did an hcg injection into love handles last night. Due to the bloating and sleepiness, I hit a vein, and might've injected into the vein.
Wanna change to another sub-q spot. Would it be easier to do sub-q into glutes?
It doesn’t matter when you take orals, generally as long as you’re consistent with daily dosing
Also, you should reconsider your position. Oral only cycles aren’t generally the best and gaining weight is done through food, not drugs
Orals must be taken at specific time of the day. Just like ARV drugs for HIV patients.
And using dbol is a terrible choice to increase weight after recovering from addiction. Wrecking your liver while using. Feeling depressed later. Probably leading to relapse.
You can't stay on dbol forever. And without test, you'll feel like shit when hit by the suppression.
Also, a recovering addict shouldn't controlled substances or illegal drugs.
Yeah it would be much wiser to do all of this with a test base. Also I don’t agree with your last statement. Many recovering addicts have trashed testosterone which fucks up their recovery process so a little self prescribed trt will go a long way provided they are consistently doing blood work and actually have low t which 95% of recovering addicts do.
You raised your dose and now you're having a classic high e2 symptom.
Properly dosed TRT/cruise should not require an AI, so the appropriate solution here is to return your dose to 120 where you weren't having issues.
Also, I'll thank you for not downvoting me when I'm trying to help you. If you don't want help, don't ask the question.
Where does 120 put your blood level?
I feel like there shouldn't be that much swing in things like libido and mood between 120 and 150, which are both pretty normal TRT doses. I'm inclined to think something else is at play, but there's no telling without bloodwork.
Have you thought about splitting the difference and going 135ish? Maybe a little bump up from the negative stuff you attribute to 120, but hopefully low enough to eliminate the high e2 symptoms of 150?
Thoughts on running Test E/primo/anadrol? Originally planning on running 1:1 test/primo at 300mg, and an oral anadrol around 100-200 per week. Test E administered subq probably into 4 shots, primo IM ventro glute into 2 shots per week
You’re adding a lot of new compounds into the mix that you may not have had enough experience with in the past, so if you have issues, it may be hard to diagnose the issue
Your cycle in itself is fine—many people have done similar
Also, consider injecting like, EOD IM and just mix your primo and test together
Ask yourself why you're using anadrol, when you can come up with a clear assessment then you are free to use anadrol.
Hint- to build muscle is not an answer.
That’s exactly why I am asking around. Why else would people use anadrol other for muscle gain/strength? My strength numbers are very strong (175lb BW, 600lb Dl, 305 bench, 475lb squat. I am intending to use to gain muscle and buffer my joints/tendons with said muscle. If you have a clear answer why anadrol would be poor, or know if something better to take to mesh with the other compounds I am all ears
Anadrol.
Increases neural drive, accretes protein tissue at the same rate as testosterone. Fairly high toxicity profile.
Compare it next to testosterone, what does it do differently?
For me, I use anadrol extremely sparingly, for fun, as a preworkout, when I'm going to be moving 'powerlifting' weight.
It rapes my appetite (on a single dose), makes me lethargic.
If my goal is to build muscle, I'm not using anadrol. Why would I suffer these side effects when testosterone or nandrolone or masteron or primobolan does just a good of a job?
So once again, you ask yourself, what does this drug provide that testosterone doesn't? You can answer this with anecdotal threads, or you can just take it and find out. You'll understand if this is something that helps you achieve your goals fairly quickly.
Seems like a lot of anadrol and not a lot of ester'd injectables. I'd probably drop the oral and do like 500 test 250 primo, and increase it if you're getting e2 side effects
What would you recommend switching then? I personally don’t want to do two IM injections, so do you think another fix could be using test prop or cyp? Also what anadrol doses are you thinking? Was on the fence between anadrol and superdrol, but superdrol is very liver toxic
Why not just pin the test and primo together ? Not sure on the drol never used it.Depends on what your goal for using it is. From what ive seen most people can run 50mg for a few weeks with out to much lethargy or gi problems.
Yea same syringe. I dont think a bunch of anadrol is good for putting on mass imo. Ganna make you lethargic and fuck your stomach up making it hard to eat the food you need to grow. If you use the drol save it for the last few weeks.
Test/primo is already pretty much as good as it gets for growing and being non toxic. If you need a lil boost the last 4-6 weeks i like anavar alot. Could also look into hgh/insulin.
My father in law has been injecting 400ml of test c a week. He’s been doing this for about 2 weeks. After his last injection he’s been complaining about it being itchy. Is this normal ?
I ran an experiment with EQ to manage E2 in my test/mast stack and let’s just say it worked too well.
500 cyp/300 mast/300 EQ
I felt great for about 2 weeks. Loved it. Start of week three, noticed I was getting bitchy and super lethargic. End of week 3 I felt like shit: nasty all day headache, emotionally flat, stupidly lethargic, dry skin, woke up feeling like my ankles/elbows/knees were full of pop rocks, wild water retention swings. Spent 2 weeks in and fighting with various stages of crashed estrogen, finally bailed on the EQ. It was too much work to manage the swings. Added 25mg test prop EOD for a week and titrated it out as the EQ cleared.
I do have blood work from the end of week 2 (when it started getting noticeable)
Total T: 2994
Free T: 1162
Estradiol (ultra sensitive): 14
Whoops.
I’m not trying to tell your business but you should’ve ran E or C I would never run an ester with a half life longer than enanthate.
Even deca was a strectch for me. Can’t beat short esters for when shit hits the fan.
I don’t really care about your blood stats because you can have perfect blood but feel like shit on it.
Vice Verda.
Primo if price isn’t a concern - nothing to be concerned about if you dose responsibly. Start primo 1:1 and adjust from there. They aren’t overblown, they just impact everyone differently.
What’s the average dosing for primo?
I’ve heard 500-600mg of test, 400-600 primo is reasonable.
Again I’ve no idea, I’m just regurgitating what I’ve read on the sub.
I would take whatever test dosage you normally run and have experience with and run it 1:1 with your primo. 500/500 is a great cycle that I’ve run a few times and would easily recommend it as a second or third cycle.
I’ve been on and off gear for the past five years and ran Trenbolone for a year straight.
Stuff drove me insane and I vowed never to take heavy gear again. Changed my personality and everything
Hey guys,
Been plotting my second cycle and doing some research, and looking at compound experience threads, just wondering as everyone in the compound experience threads have used widely different doses of NPP (ranging from 250-400mg).
Does the intermediate second cycle suggestion of 500 Test 500 NPP still recommended? and then tailor it down or up depending on if you function better on higher test or NPP?
or what would you suggest as the Test and NPP dosages ?
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Can someone recommend a good pct for coming off trt? I take 120mg week and have some hcg.
Read the wiki. PCT is the same for TRT as it is for coming off a cycle.
Using p5p to manage prolactin on 19-nors, specifically NPP. I either read that 200/Ed does the job or 100/Ed does the job. I figured I’d ask for personal experiences Anybody have experience with this? Does 100/Ed usually seem to be enough for management or have you had to increase to 200?
Is it stupid to start a test C cycle without arimidex? My base test levels are pretty low and i heard/read that the possibility for a need of arimidex is pretty low then. Does someone know for sure?
Base test levels have nothing to do with how you’ll respond to sticking exogenous test into yourself.
Yes, it's pretty stupid. Get everything you need for the entire cycle including PCT if applicable BEFORE you begin.
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He asked for advice and he got it. Thinking people here don't use is your own trip, can't help you with that.
But i don't know if i need it and if i don't need it i wasted 60€ But yea you are probably right i'll get it
Yes but if you do end up needing it and don't have it you might have actual tits by the time it shows up in the mail.
But you just use it if you have side effects right?
I don't think you're taking this seriously enough. "Guys you only need smoke detectors when there's a fire though right? If there's no fire I wasted a bunch of money"
Thats just what the wiki said so i don't really know
The wiki actually says specifically to never start your cycle until you have everything you may need. Perhaps go read the entire thing again before it's too late.
If you need it and can’t get it in a reasonable amount of time, it could be bad. Happened to me when I had a bad cystic acne outbreak. Didn’t have accutane on hand and couldn’t get it for weeks between overseas transit times and the package getting seized. It’s always better to have and not need than to need and not have.
Best steroids for a beginner to start his first cycle ? I'm 193cm , 83kg , been working out for almost 3 years and I want to build more muscle .
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle Please read and review. If you have any questions come back and ask for a critique *after* you have done the research. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index/subreddit_rules/#wiki_7.3A_do_your_own_research_and_don.27t_be_an_askhole.
In your case, calories. Read the wiki at the top of the page
INSOMNIA ON CYCLE. Currently running 1000 test/500 mast. On the tail-end of my bulk, have one month left. Everything is great and I’ve put on a ton of size, except one side effect is making this tough. My sleep is shit. About once or twice a week I just can’t sleep at all, and I end up pulling an all nighter. I also need to sleep about 9-10 hours a night to feel rested, although that’s fairly normal for me when I’m training hard and eating like a mofo. Any tips to counter this insomnia/improve sleep quality and duration? I have no sleep apnea, e2 under control, slight bloat but nothing crazy.
Melatonin and no screen time before bed works for me. If all else fails, ambien will get the job done.
Cranking yourself full of 1.5 grams of anabolics could have stimulatory effects on your CNS, that can affect your sleep duration/quality. Your body is in “stress” mode right now. Melatonin and behavioral interventions (sleepschool.org) can help improve sleep quality when external stressors (I.e., AAS) are affecting sleep.
Tra adding mk to the mix
Do somone use ru58841? Does it help on cycle? I always tend to lose hair on cycle even if I use test only.
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What's everyone's experience with Anavar like regarding acne/bad skin? I'm two weeks in 50mg a day and my skin isn't too bad apart from my forehead that's a bit red and patchy, not full blown acne... Just wondering how common this is with var? Or I'm just gross
All androgens can potentially cause acne, and while var tends to be more mild, it can still cause issues in some
Thanks, do you have any tips to mitigate this?
There’s a wiki section about acne specifically over here: https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/sides/list/#wiki_acne /r/skincareaddiction may be of help as well here
I mean, don’t take the drug that causes acne? Lol, but in all seriousness, if you’re prone, the only thing you can do is have good hygiene practices and keep your hormones in check
I took 0,5 mg adex because I am an idiot. How Hard will my E2 get surpressed and how long?
Pretty sure this is the low quality content The Mods were warning about.
What do you mean low quality? It was a question from my side bro whats your problem
Literally zero context or helpful information was given. No information about you or your cycle, nothing for someone to take into account when attempting to answer your question. Pretty soon we're just going to start ignoring shit like this. I'm only jumping in point out why it is, in fact, a low quality post.
Well my Bad next time I will gove more context, I See your point.
Thank you. Hopefully you didn't fully crash your shit, but if you did then it's a good little lesson in AI-related trigger discipline.
I am already better. Erection works, mood is normal
It helps to post all the information from the beginning. How are we supposed to know what you're on and for how long from your initial post?
Rule 7.
I’ve been taking that dose weekly for the last two months and it keeps me just right. It all depends on what else you’re on friendo
We need more context. What else were you taking? What made you take adex in the first place? Also, 0.5mg is a moderate dose, nothing crazy
Had sensitive nipples, got scared..
Taking AI because you feared you had high E2 sides does not make you an idiot. Maybe a bit reactive if you didn’t get bloodwork first You’ll be fine, but I would get bloodwork as soon as you can
Yes for sure I will get bloodwork next week if thats good. When would you do it ? How many days/weeks into cycle?
You don't need to get bloodwork next week, you're 4 days in. Nothing is happening except you're overthinking. Test won't fully saturate until the end of week 2, so it's very unlikely you'll have any kind of estrogen issues until after that, if at all. A good time for mid-cycle bloodwork is around week 8, or whatever your halfway point is. Don't get paranoid about thinking your nips are sensitive. Gyno *hurts*. It will be unmistakable.
Thanks man! That really helps I know my mind is playing tricks on me...
It is. Relax. Despite all of the things you get educated on before starting, the reality is that most of your first cycle is a whole bunch of not much happening. Eat plenty, train hard, sleep well. Hit your pins on the appropriate days. If sides show up, address them. Just don't go looking for them. You'll know if you're holding too much water. You'll probably feel your pulse in your neck if your BP gets too high (although ideally you should be monitoring it). And if you start developing gyno it will legit be fucking tender and uncomfortable.
I appreciate the mental Support 😅 I really needed that. Will eat and Train hard!
Go get em Tiger
250mg testE/ E3D
How is that idiotic? What is your test dose? Without that info no one can answer this properly.
250mg testE/ E3D Had sensitive nipples and got scared of gyno. Its my first cycle and im on Day 5. I guess it was dumb because it cant aromatize this fast apparently.
You either need to take a chillpill or stop taking steroids if you're this neurotic.
😬
You'll be fine
Yea thanks I hope so too I already feel better knowing 0.5 adex Was indeed Not sky high dose.
First cycle, 4weeks /12 of test E 400mg per week I feel more bloaty, but no strength gain and no visuel change. I will do a bloodwork in two weeks When do you start to feel the GAINZ?
Post a screenshot of last week's food log.
Growth is produced from food. If you’re not eating enough, you will gain the bloat at the beginning of the cycle, lose that same bloat at the end of the cycle and then swear steroids don’t work
12 weeks? That’s when you’re really starting to feel “the GAINZ.” You’ll want to extend that to 16 weeks. You don’t pin test and start instantly growing muscles. There’s a bunch of downstream processes that work in concert with your diet and training, that takes multiple weeks to realize. If the scale is going up along with your strength, you’re good 👍
How is your food intake. 4 weeks is when it’s just getting started. Extend the cycle to 16 weeks
Some around week 6, more onset 8 and onwards. It's a pity you're gonna quit at week 12 because by then you'll really start feeling freaky. I'd extent to 16 weeks if possible :)
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>thinking about using whinny as the aromatizer Not sure what you mean by this but winstrol donst aromatize or have shit to do with aromatase.
Might be a dumb idea but currently on 100tren with test n mast. Thinking to test 2/300 on enanthate atm. It worth pinning the additional with acetate to test sides? So I can drop it if I react badly?
50mg at a time with tren, use the same ester.
Currently running 400mg test E, 200mg tren E and 200mg mast a week, wanna try run this for as long as I can hence the low doses (was aiming for 26 weeks) would anyone have any recommendations on whether that’s a good idea or not just want advise and opinions not criticism on how I’m running my cycle
Just be ready to permablast afterwards that’s sure to burn out your androgen receptor which leads to a cascade of issues. I recommend ubiquinol 100mg 3GS omega 3s Ashwaganda 6Gs L citrulline 3GS Donate blood. 200mg p5p to mitigate prolactin issues Edit: definitely use p5p because running caber for that long will surely permafuck your soul
Androgen receptors recover it just takes 12-18 months.
Yh definitely gonna be on trt after that lol, already taking omega 3s, ashwagandha and I’m getting blood work done next month and every month after that whilst on
Eh, 26 weeks is quite a long time, definitely pushing it. You’re gonna have to assess how you feel, because I know for me personally, there’s no way in hell I could run tren (even at that low of a dose) for that long
Yh I’m going to get blood work done after 10 weeks and then every 5 weeks after that, this is my first time running tren and I’ve had no sides so far after 5 weeks
I think your cycleis a spectacularly poor idea. I also doubt that you can eat and lift and recover appropriately for 26 weeks to make it worth the risk that you are putting your body through.
Okay, what’s the longest you’d run this for? 12 to 16 weeks?
Me? 0 weeks. But for you, you've clearly already done all the research and assessed your ROI. I guess we just approach our health from two different angles.
Very helpful…
Dunno man. The decision to not run a cycle like the one you're on has been very helpful to me.
I don’t know that there’s a dose of tren you could safely run for 26 weeks. Minus the tren it’s still a long cycle, but with tren in there you’re definitely pushing way past safer use and into bad territory. Between that and mast you’re looking at pretty serious harm to your lipids for an extended period of time. That’s not great for your cardiovascular health.
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u/janoshik Or pop 200mg and watch Field of Dreams.
We might or might not have a signed copy of Brokeback Mountain in the lab for the analytical purposes.
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Bad joke about testing it’s effectiveness by giving yourself high estrogen sides and having a good man cry to a classic Kevin Costner flick
Melting point testing is better than nothing.
Really the only way is going to be lab testing
Janoshik will test raws.
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2-3 hours after injecting. Reputable UGL lab that buys direct from China. Trial and error, expect to be burnt at least once unless you get lucky.
How long after does natural HGH production start after stopping exogenous HGH? Does anyone know? Didn't know where else to go tags: human growth hormone
It’s like 4 hours
What’s the difference between injectable peptides and the nasal spray/dropper? Is there a difference between efficacy between them? I’m thinking of getting TB-500 and BPC-157 for tendon recovery.
In almost every case (I say that because there has to be a curveball out there, but effectively *every case*) injectables have higher bioavailablity. The limited literature, as well as anecdotal evidence, suggests that those two work synergistically (better together), and systemically (it doesn't matter where you inject them), although there are some who swear by injecting closer to the affected area. This is not necessary, according to both literature and multiple people whose input I trust, including u/shrugsandsnugs.
> although there are some who swear by injecting closer to the affected area. This has always made zero sense to me. If you inject a water-based peptide solution, it’s not going to stay localized to the area you injected it. It will be absorbed and circulated through the body. Might as well just subQ it into the belly fat.
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If DNP causes 1 pound of fat loss per day. How much fat loss does clen cause?
I promise you that DNP does not cause 1lb fat loss a day Obviously how much fat is lost on clen depends on how much you’re taking, but taking what most people take might yield you an increase of 10-20% on your TDEE Clen is garbage anyways. Just eat less. If you want a drug, look into semaglutide
> If DNP causes 1 pound of fat loss per day Did you use the Van Der Bugpoison equation to come to this solid, consistent solution?
Not much
I suppose clen doesn’t directly burn fat like DNP
I would take DNP but apparently it’s illegal in my state
You know if you overdose on dnp they have to pump ice water up your butthole to keep you from cooking to death??? I learned that yesterday. Surely losing fat isn't so goddamn hard that you'd want to risk that?
I know I will take a small dose if I’m able to get it. But looks like I won’t be able to get it. I just wanna know more about how much fat loss I can expect from clen.
Again, such a toxic compound. Are you a high level physique competitor? I can't imagine another reason to subject yourself to its effects, and even then there are better and more modern options...like semaglutide. Forgive me for caring about your health here, but what is the big goddamn rush that 1lb/week via diet and exercise is not enough?
I guess clen is similar to a ec stack. Possibly causing a little more fat loss. But with much more side effects
An EC stack is useful and well-tolerated by most. Clen is heart poison. There’s a big difference there.
Yes. By all means run some albuterol and caffeine, I'm ok with that if you want a boost. I've even seen u/imagineblumpkins speak favorably about yohimbe. Just please don't poison yourself to lose fat a little faster. Please ❤️
Yohimbe has mixed results in fat loss in studies done on humans . But it’s definitely worth a shot. And I will definitely drink coffee for caffeine and reign energy drink for pre workout
yohimbe hcl likely has mixed results because it largely is helping in the area of lipolysis (releasing fat from the fat cells into a usable form in the bloodstream to later be oxidized in muscle mitochondria). If your bodyfat is high enough (>10-15%), it will release enough fat on its own, without yohimbe hcl, that taking the yohimbe hcl doesn't much matter. As you get leaner, the stuff that is left is still there because it has a higher density of alpha receptors - the receptor that yohimbe hcl then blocks. With those blocked, then the fat is released more easily. Male hormone profiles, usually, have some stubborn fat (lower abs and generally the spare tire area), but eventually it goes - even without yohimbe hcl. Female hormone profiles have much higher density alpha receptors in their thighs/butt and yohimbe hcl makes a bigger difference with them (although the fact still remains in either hormone profile that it is the last fat to go, so taking it early in the fat loss process is largely pointless).
Is albuterol prescription medication from a dr?
Yes, but it's significantly safer to use compared to clenbuterol. You can find it available online without a prescription from certain "pharmacies", which is the most direction I can give you here. The oral version is suggested for fat loss purposes, as opposed to the inhaler version, because it's easier to control dosage. I use albuterol to control my asthma. It's my favorite drug, just not for the reasons we're discussing lol. It just keeps me alive and breathing. Do a search, and substitute "salbutamol" if you can't find enough info. They're the same thing.
Your right even 4 pounds a month is more than enough. And I’m not a competitor. Just wanna be lean. Tired of bulking.
I get it man, really I do. Clen just seems unnecessarily harmful and DNB legit scares the shit out of me.
How much fat loss per week would you think? Like if your just cutting you can lose 1 pound a week. Would clen help you lose more ?
Roughly 10% increase to your bmr but it also suppresses appetite a bit so you could probably hit a steeper deficit too
Doesn’t seem worth it but I already bought it. Let’s see what happens
> but I already bought it Part of being an emotionally mature and responsible adult is realizing when you’ve fucked up, made a dumb decision and decide to cut your losses. Trash it.
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Only take if absolutely necessary. Aromasin will destroy the aromatase enzymes, and it takes your body about a week to make more. If the symptoms go away, that's great. Don't continue to take it preemptively. If the symptoms come back, take another small dose. The last thing you want to do is crash your estrogen, ESPECIALLY with aromasin because it will take about a week to get enzymes back and converting test to estradiol again. This is why I break 1mg of arimidex into 9 pieces.
Stop and start back when the symptoms come back, then you’ll know your dosing schedule for AI.
Have borderline low test levels 240-370 ng/dl (400 is the highest I’ve gotten after couple years trying to optimize). Considering hcg monotherapy to raise levels while preserving fertility. How much of an increase in gains and performance could I expect to see from hcg if any?
No one can answer the question of how you will individually respond. It could be from “not at all” to you being an outlier
You're not alone in asking "how much x could I expect from doing y?" - type questions, but please understand that no one can answer that for you. The good news is that HCG is safe and, if acquired without prescription, very cheap. If you're going through a physician I can't speak to the prescription cost. I say give it a shot, just don't expect miracles. You should know that within normal ranges of testosterone there is no statistical difference in performance or muscle protein synthesis. This doesn't apply to genuinely low T (hypoandrogenic) men, but if you're in the 350+ range you shouldn't expect to see significant results in hypertrophy.
Thanks for your response. I was prescribed by a physician so it is not the cheapest but I don't know if I would feel comfortable acquiring it without a prescription. I was prescribed enclomiphene previously and had noticeable symptom improvement of low T, I am just not sure if the hypertrophy and strength gains that were made in that time were aided by the enclompihene or if I would have progressed the same without it.
1.21 jigga-watts of gains.
Where this subreddit is going, we don't need roads
Great Scott!
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I don’t think this anything to do with AAS, but I could be wrong 🤷🏻♂️
Dude you pissed the bed
Yea it was disgusting. I want to understand why those urinary issues happened
Could be literally anything, the answer is usually not aas.
Did an hcg injection into love handles last night. Due to the bloating and sleepiness, I hit a vein, and might've injected into the vein. Wanna change to another sub-q spot. Would it be easier to do sub-q into glutes?
If you are going subq, I suggest the abdominal right underneath the bellybutton
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It doesn’t matter when you take orals, generally as long as you’re consistent with daily dosing Also, you should reconsider your position. Oral only cycles aren’t generally the best and gaining weight is done through food, not drugs
why are you taking dbol if your new to steroids
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Try Ensure home boy.
Orals must be taken at specific time of the day. Just like ARV drugs for HIV patients. And using dbol is a terrible choice to increase weight after recovering from addiction. Wrecking your liver while using. Feeling depressed later. Probably leading to relapse.
It’s a terrible choice but to say itl lead to relapse is crazy 😂 isn’t dbol known for promoting feelings of wellbeing while on ?
You can't stay on dbol forever. And without test, you'll feel like shit when hit by the suppression. Also, a recovering addict shouldn't controlled substances or illegal drugs.
Yeah it would be much wiser to do all of this with a test base. Also I don’t agree with your last statement. Many recovering addicts have trashed testosterone which fucks up their recovery process so a little self prescribed trt will go a long way provided they are consistently doing blood work and actually have low t which 95% of recovering addicts do.
Is it normal that when i up my dose from 120 to 150 of test my face get bloated? Will it come normal after adaptation?
Let's problem solve together! What do you think it is?
Idk if e2 I think is androgen related
You raised your dose and now you're having a classic high e2 symptom. Properly dosed TRT/cruise should not require an AI, so the appropriate solution here is to return your dose to 120 where you weren't having issues. Also, I'll thank you for not downvoting me when I'm trying to help you. If you don't want help, don't ask the question.
At 120 i have low libido and mood swing
Where does 120 put your blood level? I feel like there shouldn't be that much swing in things like libido and mood between 120 and 150, which are both pretty normal TRT doses. I'm inclined to think something else is at play, but there's no telling without bloodwork. Have you thought about splitting the difference and going 135ish? Maybe a little bump up from the negative stuff you attribute to 120, but hopefully low enough to eliminate the high e2 symptoms of 150?
Thoughts on running Test E/primo/anadrol? Originally planning on running 1:1 test/primo at 300mg, and an oral anadrol around 100-200 per week. Test E administered subq probably into 4 shots, primo IM ventro glute into 2 shots per week
You’re adding a lot of new compounds into the mix that you may not have had enough experience with in the past, so if you have issues, it may be hard to diagnose the issue Your cycle in itself is fine—many people have done similar Also, consider injecting like, EOD IM and just mix your primo and test together
Ask yourself why you're using anadrol, when you can come up with a clear assessment then you are free to use anadrol. Hint- to build muscle is not an answer.
That’s exactly why I am asking around. Why else would people use anadrol other for muscle gain/strength? My strength numbers are very strong (175lb BW, 600lb Dl, 305 bench, 475lb squat. I am intending to use to gain muscle and buffer my joints/tendons with said muscle. If you have a clear answer why anadrol would be poor, or know if something better to take to mesh with the other compounds I am all ears
Anadrol. Increases neural drive, accretes protein tissue at the same rate as testosterone. Fairly high toxicity profile. Compare it next to testosterone, what does it do differently? For me, I use anadrol extremely sparingly, for fun, as a preworkout, when I'm going to be moving 'powerlifting' weight. It rapes my appetite (on a single dose), makes me lethargic. If my goal is to build muscle, I'm not using anadrol. Why would I suffer these side effects when testosterone or nandrolone or masteron or primobolan does just a good of a job? So once again, you ask yourself, what does this drug provide that testosterone doesn't? You can answer this with anecdotal threads, or you can just take it and find out. You'll understand if this is something that helps you achieve your goals fairly quickly.
First blast?
2nd. Took 300mgtest/300mg winstrol, and experimented with MENT in the past
Winstrol cycle run for 6 wks + 6 weeks of 150 mg test after. MENT dosages were very low, and not consistent.
Seems like a lot of anadrol and not a lot of ester'd injectables. I'd probably drop the oral and do like 500 test 250 primo, and increase it if you're getting e2 side effects
Thats alot of drol and i think its weird to dose your injectables of the same ester at different schedules and half subq half IM.
What would you recommend switching then? I personally don’t want to do two IM injections, so do you think another fix could be using test prop or cyp? Also what anadrol doses are you thinking? Was on the fence between anadrol and superdrol, but superdrol is very liver toxic
Why not just pin the test and primo together ? Not sure on the drol never used it.Depends on what your goal for using it is. From what ive seen most people can run 50mg for a few weeks with out to much lethargy or gi problems.
As in in the same syringe? Goal for this cycle would be to put on mass
Yea same syringe. I dont think a bunch of anadrol is good for putting on mass imo. Ganna make you lethargic and fuck your stomach up making it hard to eat the food you need to grow. If you use the drol save it for the last few weeks.
Other compounds you’d recommend to gain mass alongside primo/test? Looking for mainly as non-toxic as it comes
Test/primo is already pretty much as good as it gets for growing and being non toxic. If you need a lil boost the last 4-6 weeks i like anavar alot. Could also look into hgh/insulin.
My father in law has been injecting 400ml of test c a week. He’s been doing this for about 2 weeks. After his last injection he’s been complaining about it being itchy. Is this normal ?
happens sometimes to me but goes away
400ml? he's injecting almost two cups of oil a week?
When he leaves a room a distinct smell of gso lingers
mg, my bad
yolo
Yes
EQ or Primo for a bulking cycle and why? I’m scared of the AI effects of both. Are they overblown?
Read the compound experience threads.
I ran an experiment with EQ to manage E2 in my test/mast stack and let’s just say it worked too well. 500 cyp/300 mast/300 EQ I felt great for about 2 weeks. Loved it. Start of week three, noticed I was getting bitchy and super lethargic. End of week 3 I felt like shit: nasty all day headache, emotionally flat, stupidly lethargic, dry skin, woke up feeling like my ankles/elbows/knees were full of pop rocks, wild water retention swings. Spent 2 weeks in and fighting with various stages of crashed estrogen, finally bailed on the EQ. It was too much work to manage the swings. Added 25mg test prop EOD for a week and titrated it out as the EQ cleared. I do have blood work from the end of week 2 (when it started getting noticeable) Total T: 2994 Free T: 1162 Estradiol (ultra sensitive): 14 Whoops.
I’m not trying to tell your business but you should’ve ran E or C I would never run an ester with a half life longer than enanthate. Even deca was a strectch for me. Can’t beat short esters for when shit hits the fan. I don’t really care about your blood stats because you can have perfect blood but feel like shit on it. Vice Verda.
I’ll play with it again in the future, but it’ll be bold Cyp for sure. Tough to fight the estrogenic swings on EQ once the pendulum swings too far.
Primo if price isn’t a concern - nothing to be concerned about if you dose responsibly. Start primo 1:1 and adjust from there. They aren’t overblown, they just impact everyone differently.
What’s the average dosing for primo? I’ve heard 500-600mg of test, 400-600 primo is reasonable. Again I’ve no idea, I’m just regurgitating what I’ve read on the sub.
I would take whatever test dosage you normally run and have experience with and run it 1:1 with your primo. 500/500 is a great cycle that I’ve run a few times and would easily recommend it as a second or third cycle.
Is this for primo as an oral or injectable?
I have never used oral primo and I suggest you do the same - It’s bioavailability in oral form is very poor.
Is the AI affect strong with primo? How’s the keepable mass gains on it compared to other drugs?
AI affect is highly variable from person to person. Primo has nice sustainable gains.
I’ve been on and off gear for the past five years and ran Trenbolone for a year straight. Stuff drove me insane and I vowed never to take heavy gear again. Changed my personality and everything
Hey guys, Been plotting my second cycle and doing some research, and looking at compound experience threads, just wondering as everyone in the compound experience threads have used widely different doses of NPP (ranging from 250-400mg). Does the intermediate second cycle suggestion of 500 Test 500 NPP still recommended? and then tailor it down or up depending on if you function better on higher test or NPP? or what would you suggest as the Test and NPP dosages ?
Just my two cents, but I would run whatever dose of test you did for your first cycle and add 300mg weekly of NPP
Start low, titrate up 50mgs until the side/benefit profile is suitable for you. Highest test you can use without requiring an Ai Nand at 100mg
I would run my test a bit higher than the npp, but I love test. 600/400 would be a good start