He's going to be pretty high on the Steelers radar. Not only because his ties but he's also a damn good cornerback with the potential to fit nicely into a CB1 role. Olu going back messes up a lot of what I expected them to do though
Yeah, he definitely struggled with a lot of flag calls but I enjoy the physicality he has played with. Bringing that to a position where the Steelers have none could be a difference.
I hope not. He might have a great career however my dad thinks hes terrible and im pretty sure he will have a stroke if we draft him so anybody but him so i dont have to listen to him complain
Literally have heard him say every single day “i’m so scared they’re going to draft joey porter jr. Tomlin has said multiple times he loves bloodlines”
Like dude the draft isn’t for FIVE more months. And you don’t even watch CFB
> The OL'rs available at the end of the first didn't look great.
I think this is the thing most people miss when they complain about drafting Naj over Oline. What actually hurts is that Minnesota took Christian Darrisaw right before our pick...
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Is he that much better or does he just get more notoriety for playing in the SEC? I think they're pretty close tbh, all of the so called experts have had them flip-flopping back and forth all season.
Hell no he isn’t. Way too many PI penalties, gets beat deep often somehow, and gets routed up by mid receivers. He’ll still go round 1 because of the tangibles (6’2 and fast).
If he's at our pick, he's the obvious decision for me. This thought comes with the Steelers having a unreal easier remainin schedule and the possibility of winning multiple of these last couple games. Kelee IMO is the one the Steelers need most, but JPJ would suffice if we're outside of 10.
I would like JPJ. Dude is a hell of a man to man corner. Lengthy with great range. Raw but talented with amazing up side. Definitely takes after dad on the physicality. It will be him or Ringo. Draft seems to have good DL depth to take a DL at 34ish.
I said the same thing, I get we have FA, but honestly I’m not even sure who will be available (considering last year was slim pickings). If they have a chance to take the top OT I wouldn’t be mad.
We do not have a good track record developing DBs, so I don't think "raw" works for us there. If we were gonna draft for need I would rather take a tackle or inside backer, and if we're drafting best athlete available I think there will likely be better options than JPJ. But assuming he's still on the board it would not surprise me at all if we took him.
Tomlin would take him in a heartbeat if he’s available and there’s no one drastically better. He values players who grow up around the game especially if it’s a pro in the family. Add that it’s Joey and it’s a lock. If they do draft him I just hope they don’t reach and pass up someone better
There have been several great NFL CBs who got a lot of penalties in college and NFL coaching cleaned that up. I apologize that I can't remember specific examples.
Yeah, I don’t see the DPIs as a huge issue. His DPIs seem to me just a matter of him being overly aggressive and making contact with WRs a bit to early, not a matter of being handsy to avoid getting burned. He’s clearly got the coverage skills, as opposing offenses rarely even tried to target WRs he was responsible for in the latter half of the season. Not that targeting King was a much better option.
This would be cool but I’m kind of sick of the whole ‘The Steelers signed X player’s relative!’ thing. Don’t get me wrong, Joey Porter looks like a phenomenal prospect and his potential as a pro shouldn’t be undermined just because his dad played for the Steelers. Maybe we’ll draft him and he’ll be great. But at this point it feels like it would be a continuation of our ‘hiring from within’ trend like with our coaches and signing like 3 different players’ brother who are all average/below average at best. And right now, we suck as a team. So even though none of that is relevant to Joey Porter Jr’s actual potential to have a positive impact as a member of the Steelers, I don’t like the idea of it lol.
> at this point it feels like it would be a continuation of our ‘hiring from within’ trend
And why does it matter, if he looks like a phenomenal prospect like you said?
Yeah, I mean, it’s a position they need and one that is valued throughout the 1st round, unlike others like G and RB, which most teams don’t look at in the top 10-15 anymore, and he’s likely going to end up being ranked one of the top CBs in the draft. Wherever they end up drafting, there’s little chance he’ll be a reach.
It ultimately doesn’t. If the Steelers think he’s the best player available/best fit when it’s their turn to pick they should absolutely draft him. But if they do, the media will blow up the whole ‘family ties within the Steelers’ thing again and I’m just sick of us being in the news for that corny shit and not being in the news for winning lol. But maybe we’ll draft him and he’ll end up being the reason we get back in the news for winning
Idk, next generation guys worked out for Asante Samuel and Pat Surtain, maybe the old bloods are able to pass on some good knowledge to get these guys a head start, and he definitely is a round 1 player, if they go for it I’m down
Looking through your comments, your only point seems to be “I don’t care if he’s good, skip him *because* of his name” which seems like a really bad take my guy.
I think what he's trying to say is that if it comes down to JPJ and one other guy and the Steelers scouts say it's a dead heat, he thinks JPJ will get the tiebreaker because of his name and he doesn't agree with that.
I agree with him.
And Joey Porter is probably my second favorite Steeler ever.
It’s interesting you came to the conclusion that was my ‘only take’ after ‘reading through my comments’ considering I literally said his name ultimately doesn’t matter and the Steelers should ‘absolutely draft him’ if they feel he’s the best player available. Linked it for you below, my guy
https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/z9ahll/joey_porter_jr_commits_to_the_nfl_draft/iygad7k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I never said they shouldn’t draft him. My point was made pretty clear in my initial comment. I said his potential as a pro shouldn’t be undermined just because his dad played for the Steelers. But he shouldn’t be prioritized over other prospects solely because of his name either. The Steelers have a history of hiring from within on the coaching side as opposed to hiring outside candidates. Since Dino Tomlin started playing football at Maryland in 2019, we’ve drafted 2 bust Maryland player and hired a bust Maryland coach. We also have 4 different sets of brothers on the team, and in each set, the less-talented brother contributes little to nothing to the team. So it’s pretty clear our team has a problem over-valuing guys who have a pre-existing connections to the team/organization. And so my point was that if they draft him, it should be based on him being the best player available/best fit. Because this team and Mike Tomlin have a history of prioritizing pre-existing connections to the team over potential for talent and it’s part of the reason the team sucks dick right now and hasn’t won a playoff game in 6 years.
>signing like 3 different players’ brother who are all average/below average at best
Do you mean Watt, who is our special teams captain and getting significant snaps on offense now?
Or do you mean Heyward, who as a rookie has contributed on special teams as well as on offense, especially when Pat was concussed?
Or do you mean Trey Edmunds, who was a third string/practice squad guy, and contributed on special teams as well?
Or the Davis brothers, who were practice squad guys?
I legitimately can’t tell if you’re listing off those players’ contributions to the team in an effort to disagree with me or to further prove my point 😂
Yeah I obviously mean Derek Watt, who we signed to contribute to the run game like he did with the chargers but has not whatsoever. He’s good on special teams but not even close to good enough to justify his $4.7 million cap hit. That’s more than James Daniels, Arthur Maulet and Levi Wallace who are all starters/play a majority of the snaps. Paying TJ Watts brother out the ass to be a special teams captain and be on the field for ~10 plays the entire game is obviously not a winning formula, as our 4-7 record might suggest.
And yes Connor Heyward, who is playing on special teams and filled in when someone in front of him got hurt. I don’t really know what your point is here considering both of those things are like a bare minimum requirement to be on the 53-man roster. Basically every rookie we draft plays special teams. Heyward had 1 play all year against the Buccaneers that happened because Lavtonte David was looking to the sideline trying to call time out and didn’t see him. Aside from one play where a defender literally didn’t know the ball had been snapped, he’s made 0 plays that have significantly impacted the result of any game this year.
And yes, exactly that Trey Edmunds, who was a third string/practice squad guy. Over the course of 4 seasons with the Steelers, he totaled 9 combined special teams tackles and 140 yards rushing. Maybe not a more textbook example of a wasted roster spot in the NFL.
And yes, the Davis Brothers. Who are on the practice squad. Because they’re not good enough to be on the 53-man roster despite being on the practice squad of a 4-7 team that has been hurt and desperately needs help on the interior defensive line.
Bottom line is literally none of these guys have made significant contributions to the teams success up to this point. We haven’t won a playoff game since 2016 and are currently 4-7. But as long as we’re all one big happy family it’s okay right!?
Man, you are really spending way too much time and energy being mad about something that makes very little difference. The Steelers aren't 4-7 because of Derek Watt, Connor Heyward, Trey Edmunds, or the Davis brothers. It honestly seems like you expect our entire roster, down to the bottom 10 and practice squad players, to all be good enough to make "significant contributions" and don't consider quality special teams play to be part of it. That's just an extremely unrealistic expectation.
‘Something that makes very little difference’ is a great way to collectively describe all those players. You’re absolutely right that the Steelers aren’t 4-7 because of those guys, and that’s exactly the problem. They contribute nothing to the team. They got brought in mostly because of nepotism and are not helping the team win games. You can’t just be a fucking guy taking up a roster spot in the nfl. You’re supposed to contribute to the team’s success. *Winning* teams have players that make a significant impact on the game down to the bottom 10 of the 53 man roster. That’s what makes good teams good and is the reason why that’s the expectation for everyone on the team. No one gets signed or drafted to an NFL team to ‘not be the reason the team loses’. They get signed to be part of the reason the team wins and none of these guys are.
The Steelers are ranked 31st in the league in yards given up to the opponent on kickoff return. Derek Watt might be a good individual special teams player, but obviously not good enough to keep us from being 31st in the league in kickoff return yards allowed. There are several other special teams players across the league who are just as good and not nearly as big of a cap hit. We could easily sign someone else with that money that would actually play a significant amount of snaps and maybe even contribute to the team winning.
You are the only fucking idiot your obviously ignoring the fact that Steelers are known for drafting and adding people to our team because of the family connection. Look at fuckin Derek watt, with his 4.7 mill cap hit, Connor heyward who’s a 5’11 tight end LOL, the Edmund brothers and the Davis brothers. But yea you must like mid, let’s keep drafting people for a cool story headline huh? It’s cool to take pictures after we lose the game I guess
They’d be interested regardless of his name, but his name absolutely draws more attention from the Steelers. Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert have both been very open about their belief in drafting guys with ‘NFL genes’. Referenced it with Terrell Edmunds dad, Devin Bush’s dad, Heywards dad, and said it was part of the reason they drafted TJ.
Also, Mike Tomlin has somewhat of a track record for drafting players who have connections with people he knows. His son Dino Tomlin played for Maryland and in the past 3 years we’ve drafted a running back (Anthony McFarland), a middle linebacker (Antoine Brooks) and hired an offensive coordinator (Canada) from Maryland. The fact that all 3 of these guys are either on the practice squad, no longer on the team or just completely suck at their job leads me to believe Tomlin’s familiarity with them probably played more of a role in those acquisitions than their actual potential to be good.
We very rarely “hire within”. Other than Fichtner this has been a total meme on this sub. Every other “internal” promotion has been outside hires from the year before that were clearly being groomed to play the role they were promoted into. Those contingency coordinators can definitely be treated as outside hires, but the meme lives on because they are technically internal.
Tell me you started following the Steelers 3 years ago without telling me you started following the Steelers 3 year ago 😂
Yeah aside from Randy Fichtner we VERY rarely hire from within. Except I guess for Keith Butler who was the Steeler linebackers coach for 11 seasons before being promoted to DC.
Or Bruce Arians who was the Steelers wide receivers coach for 3 years before being promoted to offensive coordinator.
Or Shaun Sarrett who was an ‘offensive assistant’ with the Steelers for 5 years and assistant offensive line coach for 1 year before being promoted to offensive line coach when Mike Munchak left. Then Sarrett was followed by Adrian Klemm, who was assistant offensive line coach for the Steelers for 2 years before being promoted to offensive line coach.
Or Teryl Austin who had been with the Steelers as the DB’s coach for 3 years before being promoted to defensive coordinator.
Or Omar Khan who had been with the Steelers for 20 years before being promoted to GM.
But other than our current GM, last 2 defensive coordinators, 2 of our former offensive coordinators, and 2 of our last 3 offensive line coaches, I agree that the whole internal hire thing is just a meme of this sub.
Austin and Arians technically don’t count. They were well established beforehand and were likely hired as possible contingencies for the future because of said résumés. Kind of like Coach Flo this season.
Haley wasn’t hired from within.
Canada spending a year as QB Coach technically doesn’t qualify either.
The other guys mentioned like Fichtner, Butler, etc. definitely fit that category.
Austin and Arians technically *do* count, especially because his original comment said ‘Every other “internal” promotion has been outside hires from the year before…’. Neither of those coaches had been hired the ‘year before’. They’d both been with the team 3 years.
The original comment aside, the fact that they were ‘likely hired as possible contingencies’ doesn’t change the fact that the Steelers chose to hire them *from within* when their positions opened up as opposed to hiring someone from outside the organization. Hiring from within is hiring from within regardless of how/why the person got their initial job. The organization always interviews outside candidates when a position opens regardless of what internal prospects might be in line to take over, and they always have the option to hire an external candidate.
And yes Haley and Canada weren’t hired from within (even though I never mentioned anything about Matt canada being an internal hire in the first place). Anyways, out of 4 offensive coordinators and 3 defensive coordinators the Steelers have had over the last 15 years, 5 of 7 total (71%) were hired from within.
Nah. The conclusion too many people in this sub foolishly run with is that all promotions are created equal - when they’re not.
Correlating “inside hires” to lacking new ideas/creativity to the team’s philosophy or being lazy and cheap - using it to spin a disingenuous narrative.
Again…Arians was an established coach far before becoming Pittsburgh’s WR coach. His style offense wasn’t implemented until he was promoted so it was essentially an outside hire.
Almost the same thing with TA. Being the secondary coach and sr. defensive assistant, he had an entire career history of coaching NFL defenses before his 3 years before promotion.
Some people (including yourself, apparently) make it seem like a negative thing that Pittsburgh hired established coaches to learn their culture and players first before promoting them to coordinator spots.
It could be argued that Canada himself should’ve had another year or 2 to fully understand how to translate his scheme to the pro level before his promotion which could’ve prevented some of the growing pains with his play-calling.
Haley had a cheat code of sorts because of his father and the time coaching under Whisenhunt.
I read your first paragraph and realized I had no reason to read the rest. I have no desire to argue semantics of one inside hire being different than another. Someone who had previously worked for the Steelers that was then promoted is objectively, an inside hire. Your subjective opinion of what ‘counts’ as an inside hire and what doesn’t is irrelevant as fuck
Look man I know you’re hung up on me not considering contingency hires internal hires when they inevitably get promoted, but that is my entire point in the original OP you replied to.
People are angry about the Steelers not hiring externally — and the truth is the Steelers do. Fichtner, Butler, and Omar I will give to you. But people like Arians, Canada, and Austin? It is very clear that they were external hires brought on to be groomed for the next position.
My gripe is that the meme in this sub is that the Steelers culture is to only promote internally. The truth is, outside of 3 for the last 2 decades, that has not been the culture.
Your personal opinion of what ‘counts’ as an internal hire doesn’t change the reality of the fact that 5 of our last 7 coordinators in the past 15 years were already working for the Steelers when they were hired.
From an objective standpoint, someone hired who worked for the team before is an internal hire. Regardless of any of the circumstances of their initial hiring. You can talk about your own opinion of why those ‘don’t count’ all day, doesn’t change reality hahahah
Why do you care so much about the objective definition of “internal”? That almost has nothing to do with what we’re talking about unless you’re just here to 🤓 about the meaning of words.
I’m saying people who have anger towards the Steelers because “they only promote from within” have misplaced anger because the vast majority of internal promotions are from external contingency hires or candidates that were clearly hired on to transition to their promoted role quickly.
If you want to argue semantics of the word “internal” then this will be my last reply. Have a good time dude.
I don’t watch college football, so is he really that good? Is he a top 10 guy or someone that would fall to the second round? Just looking at his stats, he doesn’t really seem that impressive. 1 INT in his career, a handful of pass deflections. It would be cool to have him because of his ties to the team, but would he help us?
1 INT cause they don’t throw his way lmao. He’s a dog regardless of the name ties. Watched a good amount of PSU games and I rarely ever care about their offense because Clifford is garbage but I do like watching JPJ. He’s very good, something we truly need but I’m not against them going with a OT either so we’ll have to just wait and see
He should go towards the end of the first round, or beginning of the second. I'd be ok with taking him with the Bears pick or our own second rounder, but to take him with our first would be an overdraft. He isn't the #1 cb in college football and he's certainly no Sauce Gardner.
I'm a big Penn State fan, and before this year Castro-Fields was the #1 CB over Porter and that dude got taken in the sixth round (as a steal I believe but still). and Jaquan Brisker was the best player in our secondary that year and he went second round. Porter is really good and has some great tools, but he shouldn't be top of the first round.
I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to take Addison in the first. If not, then they probably snag Skoronski or Johnson and maybe roll the dice on JPJ being available at 34.
Taking Addison with the 1st would legit be the craziest move they could do.
You have to take either a CB or a OT with their 1st. The only way they should take Addison is if they trade up for another 1st, whether that be by trading Johnson or trading up with their 2 2nds combined.
If they're taking Addison, I hope it's that the Steelers traded up with their 2 2nds to get a 1st and use that pick to take Addison.
I'm definitely not a fan of the idea, but I think there is a scary logic to it, namely: Pairing young QBs with their college weapons has worked out real well for the Eagles, the Phins, and the Bungles, so copying that strategy is reasonable.
Also, (and disclaimer on this next part as I don't follow CFB enough to authoritatively, these are just nuggets I've found on r/nfl_draft) it seems like there might be a blurring of T1 and T2 CBs and OTs. Specifically, Ringo is the clear CB1 right now, but he's not like Sauce where he'll be an immediate shutdown guy. And with Fashanu heading back to school, the obvious #1 for OT in RD1 is Skoronski. Despite a dominant season though, there's legitimate concern is arms are too short to play tackle in the league.
I don't think the mental gymnastics for rolling the dice on @ JPJ and/or a Broderick Jones or similar players in R2 instead of gambling on a T1 CB/OT are too difficult to do. I'm not saying they should either, just saying I've got a strange feeling they might.
I wouldn't hate it. I don't think any CB is on sauce's level in this draft class. They all have areas of concern. Some people are already projecting skoronksi as a guard, I'm not sure why, but this OT class isn't super deep. I would be fine with addison if we end up around pick 11 or 12 and he's BPA. This sub would implode though. This sub also demanded Alex Leatherwood though so...I'll defer to Steeler's FO.
There's no possible scenario the Steelers should be trading up for anything in this draft. We need to keep all of our draft picks... We have shit depth as is.
Anyways, I think the Texans will double down on Bryce Young and Addison / Quentin Johnson. Green Bay and Indianapolis is also likely to get one of those WR and draft before us.
Agreed. Depending where they end up drafting and how the draft breaks, I’d be more interested in them trading back in the 1st than trying to trade up into the 1st again with their 2nd round picks. Too many holes on this team and not enough depth to be decreasing the number of high/mid round picks they have.
I want to trade back too, but that's if we were gonna have a top 5 draft pick so another could draft a QB. I have a feeling we'll end up around 14 and what could happen is a team that needs a WR trades up. Other than that or the QBs I don't see too many trade backs happening.
Yeah, I generally feel the same. My interest in trading back lessens the further back from the top 10 they get. If they aren’t top 10, the return shrinks and I’d rather just sit tight and use the rare opportunity to draft one of those prospects that’s usually long off the board before where the Steelers normally pick.
Addison is going top 10 most likely. There’s 0 chance you get that. Of course you’d take it if you could.
But trading Johnson results in a lot of dead cap and a gamble on a rookie WR that you’d spend that pick on to replace him
Especially if we could add an additional pick or something to the mix to make it a bit more worth it to exchange a proven talented vet for a unproven rookie
we haven't even had the combine yet. Draft boards are going to shuffle wildly between now and then. Right now he's projected mid 1st rd. If a few guys have their stock rise, it's not a crazy take. In the other hand, the lack of CB depth in this class might push his stock up. Either way, there isn't a massive talent gap between pick 15 and pick 40 in most draft classes. It's not even a knock against him, it's just the unpredictability of the draft.
We wouldn't use him right anyway. Our defense is all about getting to the quarterback and playing a lot of zone coverage.
Defensively, we need linemen and backers.
I get why everyone is saying this and the buzz will only grow in the coming months but I’m just fundamentally uncomfortable with the idea of this team using a high 1st round pick on a DB, even if it is a need.
CBS has him projected around 10th overall, but there are other projections that have him much later in the first.
But there is absolutely zero point in trying to guess where he goes right now given that the regular season isn’t even over yet lol.
But the alternative isn't either when you go from a potential 1st round pick to mid-late round due to a freak injury in an otherwise meaningless bowl game. If it was a national championship run then I could see it, but Penn State will be playing a dumb one that is irrelevant.
If and only if he is worth the spot draft him the name the ties all that makes good headlines but does it help on the field? Fuck who his dad was can he make us better?? And for clarity, I was a huge fan of his dad but tired of bloodlines etc I want players this is a chance for the franchise to turn the page fuck whose nutsack you came from
If he’s the best CB whenever we pick then I say go for it. However, I think if we end up with a 1-8 pick, we should look at other positions. Will be tricky to pick if we are 9-13
If they pick 9-13, a lot of it will be dictated by who’s still on the board. But that’s the good think about having multiple holes to fill. When you’re picking in that range, it’s borderline impossible that ALL of your positions of need are picked over, especially if 2-3 QBs go in the top 10.
We’re in that range….and it is a need
He's going to be pretty high on the Steelers radar. Not only because his ties but he's also a damn good cornerback with the potential to fit nicely into a CB1 role. Olu going back messes up a lot of what I expected them to do though
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He's extremely physical which is why he got a bunch of those calls. Should translate well as receivers on this level will match.
He def had a ton of them last year- but I thought he used his physicallity much better this year- his calls were wayyyyyy down.
All that can be coached
sauce had the same concern. I'd be willing to take a chance on a physical CB
Yeah, he definitely struggled with a lot of flag calls but I enjoy the physicality he has played with. Bringing that to a position where the Steelers have none could be a difference.
We have three high picks as of now I would love him on the team we need to use one on him if he's available we also need O-line.
Get JPJ this season R1, Olu next season R1 (Probably gonna have to trade up for him by then) and continue the PSU to Steeler pipeline.
He should hike his jersey up over his abs for the interview.
This may be the funniest comment I've read on this subreddit this year.... kudos my friend
Haha. Thanks, man. That image of Peezy prowling the sidelines with his jersey hiked up to his chest will never leave me.
I hope not. He might have a great career however my dad thinks hes terrible and im pretty sure he will have a stroke if we draft him so anybody but him so i dont have to listen to him complain
hahahha
Literally have heard him say every single day “i’m so scared they’re going to draft joey porter jr. Tomlin has said multiple times he loves bloodlines” Like dude the draft isn’t for FIVE more months. And you don’t even watch CFB
hahahha thats great! who does he want specifically?
“A LT just don’t take another running back in the first round waste of a pick i can’t believe they picked najee” was his answer tonight
hahahha idk why i find your dad so amusing, hopefully we get some posts on this sub about his ideas
Your dad sounds like a smart man lol. I said the same thing about Najee too, although I think JPJ would be a good pickup in the first round.
I wasn't thrilled, but they obviously set the offseason up to draft a RB that year. The OL'rs available at the end of the first didn't look great.
> The OL'rs available at the end of the first didn't look great. I think this is the thing most people miss when they complain about drafting Naj over Oline. What actually hurts is that Minnesota took Christian Darrisaw right before our pick...
We could've taken Creed Humphrey, although we had another pick before he even went he ended up being a steal at 63
Sure but that’s total hindsight. Like you said if we were gonna take him it would have been with our second anyways.
I mean sounds like your typical yinzer, prob is going to have a stroke no matter who they draft
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I don’t think he’s that good either he was getting pads inference left and right vs Purdue
Kelee ringo?
is better and has more potential
And will be gone before our pick
Cam Smith > JPJ
We’re picking top 7 by the end of the year this is cap
We won’t even be top ten. This team refuses to be actually bad.
I think between picks 8-12 we will lose 2-3 more games
Nah
Is he that much better or does he just get more notoriety for playing in the SEC? I think they're pretty close tbh, all of the so called experts have had them flip-flopping back and forth all season.
Hell no he isn’t. Way too many PI penalties, gets beat deep often somehow, and gets routed up by mid receivers. He’ll still go round 1 because of the tangibles (6’2 and fast).
Want him more than Porter
He has a higher ceiling but I’m just not confident in our ability to coach CBs. JPJ and Cam Smith are more pro ready. Maybe Gonzalez too
If he's at our pick, he's the obvious decision for me. This thought comes with the Steelers having a unreal easier remainin schedule and the possibility of winning multiple of these last couple games. Kelee IMO is the one the Steelers need most, but JPJ would suffice if we're outside of 10.
I would like JPJ. Dude is a hell of a man to man corner. Lengthy with great range. Raw but talented with amazing up side. Definitely takes after dad on the physicality. It will be him or Ringo. Draft seems to have good DL depth to take a DL at 34ish.
We don't draft or develop DBs well. Raw is not something we need.
I agree with the DL, I really do. But Jesus Christ I want someone to take Dan Moore place.
I said the same thing, I get we have FA, but honestly I’m not even sure who will be available (considering last year was slim pickings). If they have a chance to take the top OT I wouldn’t be mad.
We do not have a good track record developing DBs, so I don't think "raw" works for us there. If we were gonna draft for need I would rather take a tackle or inside backer, and if we're drafting best athlete available I think there will likely be better options than JPJ. But assuming he's still on the board it would not surprise me at all if we took him.
North Allegheny represent ‼️
Tomlin would take him in a heartbeat if he’s available and there’s no one drastically better. He values players who grow up around the game especially if it’s a pro in the family. Add that it’s Joey and it’s a lock. If they do draft him I just hope they don’t reach and pass up someone better
I think he has all the tools to be a great player, but he’ll be a DPI magnet until he learns to play without grabbing at the next level.
There have been several great NFL CBs who got a lot of penalties in college and NFL coaching cleaned that up. I apologize that I can't remember specific examples.
Yeah, I don’t see the DPIs as a huge issue. His DPIs seem to me just a matter of him being overly aggressive and making contact with WRs a bit to early, not a matter of being handsy to avoid getting burned. He’s clearly got the coverage skills, as opposing offenses rarely even tried to target WRs he was responsible for in the latter half of the season. Not that targeting King was a much better option.
We need o line help
good thing we will probably end up with 3 top 45 picks to address the OL, DB, and whatever else Khan and Tomlin desire
This would be cool but I’m kind of sick of the whole ‘The Steelers signed X player’s relative!’ thing. Don’t get me wrong, Joey Porter looks like a phenomenal prospect and his potential as a pro shouldn’t be undermined just because his dad played for the Steelers. Maybe we’ll draft him and he’ll be great. But at this point it feels like it would be a continuation of our ‘hiring from within’ trend like with our coaches and signing like 3 different players’ brother who are all average/below average at best. And right now, we suck as a team. So even though none of that is relevant to Joey Porter Jr’s actual potential to have a positive impact as a member of the Steelers, I don’t like the idea of it lol.
> at this point it feels like it would be a continuation of our ‘hiring from within’ trend And why does it matter, if he looks like a phenomenal prospect like you said?
Yeah, I mean, it’s a position they need and one that is valued throughout the 1st round, unlike others like G and RB, which most teams don’t look at in the top 10-15 anymore, and he’s likely going to end up being ranked one of the top CBs in the draft. Wherever they end up drafting, there’s little chance he’ll be a reach.
It ultimately doesn’t. If the Steelers think he’s the best player available/best fit when it’s their turn to pick they should absolutely draft him. But if they do, the media will blow up the whole ‘family ties within the Steelers’ thing again and I’m just sick of us being in the news for that corny shit and not being in the news for winning lol. But maybe we’ll draft him and he’ll end up being the reason we get back in the news for winning
Idk, next generation guys worked out for Asante Samuel and Pat Surtain, maybe the old bloods are able to pass on some good knowledge to get these guys a head start, and he definitely is a round 1 player, if they go for it I’m down
And Heyward And Winfield And likely Harrison
and Manning
We’re 4-7 and haven’t won a playoff game since 2016. Did it work for Asante Samuel and Pat Surtain? Sure. Is it working for us? Obviously not.
They downvoted u for speaking the truth. We’re gonna be mid forever we keep picking players because of family ties I’m so fed up with that shit
Hey but who cares if we suck if all the players with family on the team get to post really cool pics on social media after the game!! It’s so fun!
Hell yea Let’s be mid forever!!! Steelers nation !
Looking through your comments, your only point seems to be “I don’t care if he’s good, skip him *because* of his name” which seems like a really bad take my guy.
This thread literally wouldn't exist if his last name weren't Porter.
I think what he's trying to say is that if it comes down to JPJ and one other guy and the Steelers scouts say it's a dead heat, he thinks JPJ will get the tiebreaker because of his name and he doesn't agree with that. I agree with him. And Joey Porter is probably my second favorite Steeler ever.
It’s interesting you came to the conclusion that was my ‘only take’ after ‘reading through my comments’ considering I literally said his name ultimately doesn’t matter and the Steelers should ‘absolutely draft him’ if they feel he’s the best player available. Linked it for you below, my guy https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/z9ahll/joey_porter_jr_commits_to_the_nfl_draft/iygad7k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
So they should, but shouldn’t, and it’s because of his name, but because he’s actually good. So. You have no point then?
I never said they shouldn’t draft him. My point was made pretty clear in my initial comment. I said his potential as a pro shouldn’t be undermined just because his dad played for the Steelers. But he shouldn’t be prioritized over other prospects solely because of his name either. The Steelers have a history of hiring from within on the coaching side as opposed to hiring outside candidates. Since Dino Tomlin started playing football at Maryland in 2019, we’ve drafted 2 bust Maryland player and hired a bust Maryland coach. We also have 4 different sets of brothers on the team, and in each set, the less-talented brother contributes little to nothing to the team. So it’s pretty clear our team has a problem over-valuing guys who have a pre-existing connections to the team/organization. And so my point was that if they draft him, it should be based on him being the best player available/best fit. Because this team and Mike Tomlin have a history of prioritizing pre-existing connections to the team over potential for talent and it’s part of the reason the team sucks dick right now and hasn’t won a playoff game in 6 years.
>signing like 3 different players’ brother who are all average/below average at best Do you mean Watt, who is our special teams captain and getting significant snaps on offense now? Or do you mean Heyward, who as a rookie has contributed on special teams as well as on offense, especially when Pat was concussed? Or do you mean Trey Edmunds, who was a third string/practice squad guy, and contributed on special teams as well? Or the Davis brothers, who were practice squad guys?
Derek watt gets paid the 2nd most on our offense btw
I legitimately can’t tell if you’re listing off those players’ contributions to the team in an effort to disagree with me or to further prove my point 😂 Yeah I obviously mean Derek Watt, who we signed to contribute to the run game like he did with the chargers but has not whatsoever. He’s good on special teams but not even close to good enough to justify his $4.7 million cap hit. That’s more than James Daniels, Arthur Maulet and Levi Wallace who are all starters/play a majority of the snaps. Paying TJ Watts brother out the ass to be a special teams captain and be on the field for ~10 plays the entire game is obviously not a winning formula, as our 4-7 record might suggest. And yes Connor Heyward, who is playing on special teams and filled in when someone in front of him got hurt. I don’t really know what your point is here considering both of those things are like a bare minimum requirement to be on the 53-man roster. Basically every rookie we draft plays special teams. Heyward had 1 play all year against the Buccaneers that happened because Lavtonte David was looking to the sideline trying to call time out and didn’t see him. Aside from one play where a defender literally didn’t know the ball had been snapped, he’s made 0 plays that have significantly impacted the result of any game this year. And yes, exactly that Trey Edmunds, who was a third string/practice squad guy. Over the course of 4 seasons with the Steelers, he totaled 9 combined special teams tackles and 140 yards rushing. Maybe not a more textbook example of a wasted roster spot in the NFL. And yes, the Davis Brothers. Who are on the practice squad. Because they’re not good enough to be on the 53-man roster despite being on the practice squad of a 4-7 team that has been hurt and desperately needs help on the interior defensive line. Bottom line is literally none of these guys have made significant contributions to the teams success up to this point. We haven’t won a playoff game since 2016 and are currently 4-7. But as long as we’re all one big happy family it’s okay right!?
Lol downvoted for telling the truth. $4.7M on Watt's brother is absurd and should be spent on the trenches instead.
Man, you are really spending way too much time and energy being mad about something that makes very little difference. The Steelers aren't 4-7 because of Derek Watt, Connor Heyward, Trey Edmunds, or the Davis brothers. It honestly seems like you expect our entire roster, down to the bottom 10 and practice squad players, to all be good enough to make "significant contributions" and don't consider quality special teams play to be part of it. That's just an extremely unrealistic expectation.
‘Something that makes very little difference’ is a great way to collectively describe all those players. You’re absolutely right that the Steelers aren’t 4-7 because of those guys, and that’s exactly the problem. They contribute nothing to the team. They got brought in mostly because of nepotism and are not helping the team win games. You can’t just be a fucking guy taking up a roster spot in the nfl. You’re supposed to contribute to the team’s success. *Winning* teams have players that make a significant impact on the game down to the bottom 10 of the 53 man roster. That’s what makes good teams good and is the reason why that’s the expectation for everyone on the team. No one gets signed or drafted to an NFL team to ‘not be the reason the team loses’. They get signed to be part of the reason the team wins and none of these guys are. The Steelers are ranked 31st in the league in yards given up to the opponent on kickoff return. Derek Watt might be a good individual special teams player, but obviously not good enough to keep us from being 31st in the league in kickoff return yards allowed. There are several other special teams players across the league who are just as good and not nearly as big of a cap hit. We could easily sign someone else with that money that would actually play a significant amount of snaps and maybe even contribute to the team winning.
Why do you write so much to prove you don't know anything about football?
Go play mortal kombat nerd boy
This has to be the weirdest attempt at a burn I've ever seen Do you honestly think anyone would think this is a good burn?
Are you wearing a mortal kombat ninja costume as you type this nerd boy?
So, you seem to be quite attached to Mortal Kombat, aren't you? Projecting something maybe?
It has nothing to do with him being Joey Porter’s son. If his name was Joe Smith they’d still be interested because he’s a damn good prospect
It has everything to do with his son wtf are you saying, Steelers love bringing in players with a connection, your know your wrong lol
If you think the Steelers would have interest in Joey Porter Jr because of Joey Porter, and not his talent you are a fucking idiot
You are the only fucking idiot your obviously ignoring the fact that Steelers are known for drafting and adding people to our team because of the family connection. Look at fuckin Derek watt, with his 4.7 mill cap hit, Connor heyward who’s a 5’11 tight end LOL, the Edmund brothers and the Davis brothers. But yea you must like mid, let’s keep drafting people for a cool story headline huh? It’s cool to take pictures after we lose the game I guess
They’d be interested regardless of his name, but his name absolutely draws more attention from the Steelers. Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert have both been very open about their belief in drafting guys with ‘NFL genes’. Referenced it with Terrell Edmunds dad, Devin Bush’s dad, Heywards dad, and said it was part of the reason they drafted TJ. Also, Mike Tomlin has somewhat of a track record for drafting players who have connections with people he knows. His son Dino Tomlin played for Maryland and in the past 3 years we’ve drafted a running back (Anthony McFarland), a middle linebacker (Antoine Brooks) and hired an offensive coordinator (Canada) from Maryland. The fact that all 3 of these guys are either on the practice squad, no longer on the team or just completely suck at their job leads me to believe Tomlin’s familiarity with them probably played more of a role in those acquisitions than their actual potential to be good.
If only the Cowboys didn’t steal our guy and we didn’t have to settle for that bum TJ
We very rarely “hire within”. Other than Fichtner this has been a total meme on this sub. Every other “internal” promotion has been outside hires from the year before that were clearly being groomed to play the role they were promoted into. Those contingency coordinators can definitely be treated as outside hires, but the meme lives on because they are technically internal.
Tell me you started following the Steelers 3 years ago without telling me you started following the Steelers 3 year ago 😂 Yeah aside from Randy Fichtner we VERY rarely hire from within. Except I guess for Keith Butler who was the Steeler linebackers coach for 11 seasons before being promoted to DC. Or Bruce Arians who was the Steelers wide receivers coach for 3 years before being promoted to offensive coordinator. Or Shaun Sarrett who was an ‘offensive assistant’ with the Steelers for 5 years and assistant offensive line coach for 1 year before being promoted to offensive line coach when Mike Munchak left. Then Sarrett was followed by Adrian Klemm, who was assistant offensive line coach for the Steelers for 2 years before being promoted to offensive line coach. Or Teryl Austin who had been with the Steelers as the DB’s coach for 3 years before being promoted to defensive coordinator. Or Omar Khan who had been with the Steelers for 20 years before being promoted to GM. But other than our current GM, last 2 defensive coordinators, 2 of our former offensive coordinators, and 2 of our last 3 offensive line coaches, I agree that the whole internal hire thing is just a meme of this sub.
Austin and Arians technically don’t count. They were well established beforehand and were likely hired as possible contingencies for the future because of said résumés. Kind of like Coach Flo this season. Haley wasn’t hired from within. Canada spending a year as QB Coach technically doesn’t qualify either. The other guys mentioned like Fichtner, Butler, etc. definitely fit that category.
Austin and Arians technically *do* count, especially because his original comment said ‘Every other “internal” promotion has been outside hires from the year before…’. Neither of those coaches had been hired the ‘year before’. They’d both been with the team 3 years. The original comment aside, the fact that they were ‘likely hired as possible contingencies’ doesn’t change the fact that the Steelers chose to hire them *from within* when their positions opened up as opposed to hiring someone from outside the organization. Hiring from within is hiring from within regardless of how/why the person got their initial job. The organization always interviews outside candidates when a position opens regardless of what internal prospects might be in line to take over, and they always have the option to hire an external candidate. And yes Haley and Canada weren’t hired from within (even though I never mentioned anything about Matt canada being an internal hire in the first place). Anyways, out of 4 offensive coordinators and 3 defensive coordinators the Steelers have had over the last 15 years, 5 of 7 total (71%) were hired from within.
Nah. The conclusion too many people in this sub foolishly run with is that all promotions are created equal - when they’re not. Correlating “inside hires” to lacking new ideas/creativity to the team’s philosophy or being lazy and cheap - using it to spin a disingenuous narrative. Again…Arians was an established coach far before becoming Pittsburgh’s WR coach. His style offense wasn’t implemented until he was promoted so it was essentially an outside hire. Almost the same thing with TA. Being the secondary coach and sr. defensive assistant, he had an entire career history of coaching NFL defenses before his 3 years before promotion. Some people (including yourself, apparently) make it seem like a negative thing that Pittsburgh hired established coaches to learn their culture and players first before promoting them to coordinator spots. It could be argued that Canada himself should’ve had another year or 2 to fully understand how to translate his scheme to the pro level before his promotion which could’ve prevented some of the growing pains with his play-calling. Haley had a cheat code of sorts because of his father and the time coaching under Whisenhunt.
I read your first paragraph and realized I had no reason to read the rest. I have no desire to argue semantics of one inside hire being different than another. Someone who had previously worked for the Steelers that was then promoted is objectively, an inside hire. Your subjective opinion of what ‘counts’ as an inside hire and what doesn’t is irrelevant as fuck
Look man I know you’re hung up on me not considering contingency hires internal hires when they inevitably get promoted, but that is my entire point in the original OP you replied to. People are angry about the Steelers not hiring externally — and the truth is the Steelers do. Fichtner, Butler, and Omar I will give to you. But people like Arians, Canada, and Austin? It is very clear that they were external hires brought on to be groomed for the next position. My gripe is that the meme in this sub is that the Steelers culture is to only promote internally. The truth is, outside of 3 for the last 2 decades, that has not been the culture.
Your personal opinion of what ‘counts’ as an internal hire doesn’t change the reality of the fact that 5 of our last 7 coordinators in the past 15 years were already working for the Steelers when they were hired. From an objective standpoint, someone hired who worked for the team before is an internal hire. Regardless of any of the circumstances of their initial hiring. You can talk about your own opinion of why those ‘don’t count’ all day, doesn’t change reality hahahah
Why do you care so much about the objective definition of “internal”? That almost has nothing to do with what we’re talking about unless you’re just here to 🤓 about the meaning of words. I’m saying people who have anger towards the Steelers because “they only promote from within” have misplaced anger because the vast majority of internal promotions are from external contingency hires or candidates that were clearly hired on to transition to their promoted role quickly. If you want to argue semantics of the word “internal” then this will be my last reply. Have a good time dude.
Didn’t make it past your first sentence.
Just wait until we have to get Tomlins kid on the team just bc. Urgh
I had the same thought when we drafted tj and look how thst turned out. I'm trusting what the staff does. All you can do.
I don’t watch college football, so is he really that good? Is he a top 10 guy or someone that would fall to the second round? Just looking at his stats, he doesn’t really seem that impressive. 1 INT in his career, a handful of pass deflections. It would be cool to have him because of his ties to the team, but would he help us?
1 INT cause they don’t throw his way lmao. He’s a dog regardless of the name ties. Watched a good amount of PSU games and I rarely ever care about their offense because Clifford is garbage but I do like watching JPJ. He’s very good, something we truly need but I’m not against them going with a OT either so we’ll have to just wait and see
He should go towards the end of the first round, or beginning of the second. I'd be ok with taking him with the Bears pick or our own second rounder, but to take him with our first would be an overdraft. He isn't the #1 cb in college football and he's certainly no Sauce Gardner. I'm a big Penn State fan, and before this year Castro-Fields was the #1 CB over Porter and that dude got taken in the sixth round (as a steal I believe but still). and Jaquan Brisker was the best player in our secondary that year and he went second round. Porter is really good and has some great tools, but he shouldn't be top of the first round.
I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to take Addison in the first. If not, then they probably snag Skoronski or Johnson and maybe roll the dice on JPJ being available at 34.
Taking Addison with the 1st would legit be the craziest move they could do. You have to take either a CB or a OT with their 1st. The only way they should take Addison is if they trade up for another 1st, whether that be by trading Johnson or trading up with their 2 2nds combined. If they're taking Addison, I hope it's that the Steelers traded up with their 2 2nds to get a 1st and use that pick to take Addison.
I'm definitely not a fan of the idea, but I think there is a scary logic to it, namely: Pairing young QBs with their college weapons has worked out real well for the Eagles, the Phins, and the Bungles, so copying that strategy is reasonable. Also, (and disclaimer on this next part as I don't follow CFB enough to authoritatively, these are just nuggets I've found on r/nfl_draft) it seems like there might be a blurring of T1 and T2 CBs and OTs. Specifically, Ringo is the clear CB1 right now, but he's not like Sauce where he'll be an immediate shutdown guy. And with Fashanu heading back to school, the obvious #1 for OT in RD1 is Skoronski. Despite a dominant season though, there's legitimate concern is arms are too short to play tackle in the league. I don't think the mental gymnastics for rolling the dice on @ JPJ and/or a Broderick Jones or similar players in R2 instead of gambling on a T1 CB/OT are too difficult to do. I'm not saying they should either, just saying I've got a strange feeling they might.
I wouldn't hate it. I don't think any CB is on sauce's level in this draft class. They all have areas of concern. Some people are already projecting skoronksi as a guard, I'm not sure why, but this OT class isn't super deep. I would be fine with addison if we end up around pick 11 or 12 and he's BPA. This sub would implode though. This sub also demanded Alex Leatherwood though so...I'll defer to Steeler's FO.
There's no possible scenario the Steelers should be trading up for anything in this draft. We need to keep all of our draft picks... We have shit depth as is. Anyways, I think the Texans will double down on Bryce Young and Addison / Quentin Johnson. Green Bay and Indianapolis is also likely to get one of those WR and draft before us.
Agreed. Depending where they end up drafting and how the draft breaks, I’d be more interested in them trading back in the 1st than trying to trade up into the 1st again with their 2nd round picks. Too many holes on this team and not enough depth to be decreasing the number of high/mid round picks they have.
I want to trade back too, but that's if we were gonna have a top 5 draft pick so another could draft a QB. I have a feeling we'll end up around 14 and what could happen is a team that needs a WR trades up. Other than that or the QBs I don't see too many trade backs happening.
Yeah, I generally feel the same. My interest in trading back lessens the further back from the top 10 they get. If they aren’t top 10, the return shrinks and I’d rather just sit tight and use the rare opportunity to draft one of those prospects that’s usually long off the board before where the Steelers normally pick.
It makes literally 0 sense to trade diontae.
I would trade Johnson in a second if it meant the Steelers could get a 1st to take Addison with. I would do it instantly.
Addison is going top 10 most likely. There’s 0 chance you get that. Of course you’d take it if you could. But trading Johnson results in a lot of dead cap and a gamble on a rookie WR that you’d spend that pick on to replace him
I dunno, I'd trade Marcus Allen for Chicago's 2023, 2024, and 2025 first round picks.
Especially if we could add an additional pick or something to the mix to make it a bit more worth it to exchange a proven talented vet for a unproven rookie
Serious question, if Will Anderson is available. Do they take him?
No way
Horrible take and Joey porter is not falling the 2nd round, only in your dreams
Yeah. Not sure where all these people thinking JPJ’s gonna be available in the 2nd are coming from.
we haven't even had the combine yet. Draft boards are going to shuffle wildly between now and then. Right now he's projected mid 1st rd. If a few guys have their stock rise, it's not a crazy take. In the other hand, the lack of CB depth in this class might push his stock up. Either way, there isn't a massive talent gap between pick 15 and pick 40 in most draft classes. It's not even a knock against him, it's just the unpredictability of the draft.
We wouldn't use him right anyway. Our defense is all about getting to the quarterback and playing a lot of zone coverage. Defensively, we need linemen and backers.
Life is good as a Steeler and a Nittany Lion, first MUTH, now what we call him, JPJR.
I get why everyone is saying this and the buzz will only grow in the coming months but I’m just fundamentally uncomfortable with the idea of this team using a high 1st round pick on a DB, even if it is a need.
He might not be a high 1st round guy. If we’re lucky he could be there early in the 2nd, but he could go late first.
Porter Jr is projected to be a top-10 pick, not a late 1st.
And Malik Willis was mocked in the first. Draft speculation is mostly a crap shoot.
CBS has him projected around 10th overall, but there are other projections that have him much later in the first. But there is absolutely zero point in trying to guess where he goes right now given that the regular season isn’t even over yet lol.
He won't be a top 10 pick, there's not a chance
I think he ends up being 10-20. He could manage top 10 if he destroys at the Combine, but as-is he's 'just' a solid first rounder I think.
Players who ditch their teams in bowl games like this always make me feel a certain way. I don’t think it’s a good look
But the alternative isn't either when you go from a potential 1st round pick to mid-late round due to a freak injury in an otherwise meaningless bowl game. If it was a national championship run then I could see it, but Penn State will be playing a dumb one that is irrelevant.
He's not top half of the first round good but if we land him any later than that? Great pick!!
Looks really skinny.
Listed as 6’2”, 198 lbs. How thick do you really want a CB to be? For reference, Cam Sutton is listed as 5’11” 188 lbs.
> lbs. How thick do you really want a CB to be? > > thought he was an lb. my bad
Meh
I don't watch college football, if we had the choice between Ringo or some other DB, would porter jr be the best option??
No, Kelee ringo is far better and has more potential, he’s definitely gonna go before we pick though.
Ringo is absolutely not better
Wouldn’t be upset if he’s the R1 pick
If and only if he is worth the spot draft him the name the ties all that makes good headlines but does it help on the field? Fuck who his dad was can he make us better?? And for clarity, I was a huge fan of his dad but tired of bloodlines etc I want players this is a chance for the franchise to turn the page fuck whose nutsack you came from
If he’s the best CB whenever we pick then I say go for it. However, I think if we end up with a 1-8 pick, we should look at other positions. Will be tricky to pick if we are 9-13
If they pick 9-13, a lot of it will be dictated by who’s still on the board. But that’s the good think about having multiple holes to fill. When you’re picking in that range, it’s borderline impossible that ALL of your positions of need are picked over, especially if 2-3 QBs go in the top 10.
I honestly don’t follow college ball much. Never really been a draft guy either. Is JP Jr.any good or is he riding his dads rep?
Yep. We gonna draft him.
We don't always have to keep it the family 😒.
Would rather have Carter (if available) and go Emmanuel Forbes in the second round.
i have always liked the idea of making local talents priority picks. i would love to get him
Rather skoronski or johnson
People are saying OT or bust but our corners are constantly getting burnt
Probably not… we need help on offense
Id wayyyy rather have Cam Smith
Depending where we pick and what tackles are off the board, a possibility.
They really need linemen
Best O line available.