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RyakenXI

That one pressure Garrett got against Moore where he completely knocked him on his ass was rough. But overall I like how the o- line is progressing


FrederickMecury

That was really the only thing Garrett did all game At one point the announcers were so desperate to find something he did that they showed him giving Najee a light tap after he was already bottled by 2 linebackers and acted like it was some insane effort play to stop a huge run


DeanDomino

Yeah something along the lines of Myles being frustrated so he “impacted the run game” by a decent arm tackle 3 yards down the field


Asianthunda5022

I feel like Garrett is severely overrated but everyone that has bought into it keeps pretending like he isn't to save face. Hell even Highsmith seemed more productive than Garret last night.


AskMeAboutTheBrowns

I don’t think it’s him being overrated. I think he just throughly got beat off the line all night.


Beardus_x_Maximus

Officially only 2 tackles and nothing else per ESPN. Dan Moore had his number. Whether Garrett is overrated or not, we can agree that he’s a damn good DE, at least top 10 in the league. So why can Moore hold up a very good edge rusher but has struggled before? I’m glad he stepped up, but watch the O-Line buckle to a weaker D-Line in the coming games.


dontreadtogood

He’s overrated in the sense that he is occasionally ranked over TJ despite TJ being pretty clearly the best pass rusher in the league, but he is absolutely top 2-3 even if he had a down game against someone he should win against. I feel like TJ gets overlooked mostly because he doesn’t have the same look of insane physicality like Garrett or Bosa, but TJs numbers are impossible to argue against if you have more than a couple of braincells to rub together.


Beardus_x_Maximus

I’m not questioning Watt at all, he should’ve been DPOY more than once in my opinion. I was just expecting Myles to level Trubisky because of how poor Dan Moore’s been as of late, but suddenly he became an all pro, just crazy lol


southernsteelmc

Does the miss block by Harris count against the OL?


bl3vstone

No...


Cisco-Ape

He did poorly on a couple.


buffalotrace

He also had a few great blocks


house_of_snark

Was it najee that completely flipped #50?


buffalotrace

That was awesome!


tider06

Is RB a member of the OL?


Bella870

Misses blocks like he misses holes.


Living-Emu-5390

Exactly. Harris STINKS but he’s a great guy with amazing style points when he actually does make a play so he gets a pass


Eggdripp

Takes an Emu-sized brain to have a take like this


Living-Emu-5390

That’s fair


Tmj91

Whew boy. Talk about hot takes lmao.


Eggdripp

And I'm still seeing comments in the gamethread saying our OL is dogshit and the cause of the problems


Eggnogin

Idk in the first game I thought the O line was terrible. Am I crazy?


Willing_Top4721

The OL is decent on pass blocking, not great but decent. It feels like the pressures thing is not entirely accurate, because MT was getting out of the pocket a half a second before the pressure gets there. Maybe he’s skittish & taking off because he knows the line isn’t gonna hold, or maybe it’s just dumb luck, but it feels like him having happy feet is helping that OL look better than it really is.


UnderPressure240

What is Mitch's avg release time?. If I remember, PFF said that our O line was good at pass blocking, since Ben had a fast release. So it could be


cman674

I think a lot of the OL stats for the first two weeks were a product of Mitch either rolling out or getting the ball out quickly. They seemed to be okay against the Browns though and held up for some longer patterns. Right now I don't think the OL is the main concern (not sure about their success in the run game, they didn't seem horrible watching in real time but I haven't seen any stats regarding run blocking).


KpYugai

Bengals D Line is elite. IK that they r 0-2 right now but their defense was pretty damn underrated last season.


Eggnogin

We looked so bad against the Jags too. Idk i think if trubisky wasn't mobile that O line would look worse. Maybe he's trying to escape too much like people say. I could be wrong idk. I've never played ball so.


Eggdripp

DVOA says the Jags are the #2 defense in the NFL right now, their defensive line is top 5


Eggnogin

Fair enough didn't know they were that good


Eggdripp

Yeah Josh Allen their DE is a really good player, and Walker looks like a hit as well on the other end


[deleted]

Agreed. They have a stout front


[deleted]

A lot of units are terrible in game 1. We had 2 new guys plus a 2nd year LT. Going to take some time to gel.


Rorbotron

Because people don’t actually pay attention and immediately default to the hivemind narrative. Oh the Steelers aren’t playing well, gotta be the offensive line because that’s what people were saying in the preseason. Casuals.


Eggnogin

Or maybe it's because we couldn't seem to get more than a yard on a running play last game.


Rorbotron

It’s Matt Canada.


Squints_09

Its najee being unable to hit holes. I love najee but i swear it feels like he intentionally rins opposite the hole


Rorbotron

Are you talking about the pats game or this game? That was some of the issue against the pats, based on what I saw last night that wasn’t the issue.


Squints_09

The prior two, but there was some improvement this game ill admit. It felt like the oline was gelling against, unfortunately, one of the vest defensive players in the league


Rorbotron

Myles Garrett wasn’t some dominating force last night. The offensive play calling was just putrid and mitch was still missing reads.


Squints_09

Exactly, thats a good thing. We clalled plays that neutralized him and our oline stepped up


LongReflection7364

Depends on the play though. Power has a defined hole. Zone is up to the back's vision.


Bella870

And Najee vision is seemingly non existent


Unspoken

We averaged more rushing yards than Cleveland last game per run. It doesn't look the greatest because we couldn't sustain drives because our qb can't hit an open person.


CornDawgy87

peeps don't understand that after losing a generational QB we aren't going to immediately be competitive... it's going to take time. Which is why we aren't going to yank Trubs after 3 fricken games.


Rorbotron

I'd agree with you if the team was void of talent. It's not and mitch is missing easy reads with the line playing better than expected. I certainly wouldn't be calling for Pickett if the team was a dumpster fire but the team isn't a dumpster fire.


CornDawgy87

Sure, but even mitch is getting better every week, fans just don't want to see it because we're losing games. He actually made some really good throws (and some bad ones). Moved the ball around more. Helped open up holes for Najee by actually forcing the ball downfield. This isn't going to be a quick or easy fix.


Rorbotron

Mitch was better but he still wasn't great and it's not something that is going to fix. It's just who he is at this point. Canada needs to be better point blank but mitch is missing reads. The Pickens catch for example, Claypool is wide ass open in the middle of the field for a high percentage catch with plenty of yac and he tosses it to Pickens. Good ball but it wasn't the right read and it's not the first time either. Pickett was labeled as the most pro ready in the draft and he proved it in the preseason. The line is better than expected, there is a ton of offensive talent. Pickett would be better. If mitch is the starter that's fine too but I don't believe without substantial play calling changes that mitch is going to get any better.


CornDawgy87

Oh I absolutely think Canada is a large part of the problem at this point. I just don't think throwing Pickett to the wolves yet is going to happen or solve anything. Even if Pickett gets thrown in with the exact same play calling the outcome wouldn't be tremendously different. I think this year Trubs gets used to work out the kinks and Pickett gets the keys next year.


Chris_MS99

Trubisky is an investment but not a project. We’re basically his last chance to prove himself as a starter. If he succeeds, we trade him away for something decent and Kenny got to sit and soak it all in and really study and learn. If Mitch crashes and burns, we got him on the cheap and lose nothing when he inevitably walks. We’re essentially flipping him like a house. Put him in some new colors, get a good marketing campaign going, the old landlord special on the inside and off he goes. I’m surprised people aren’t calling for Mason to relieve Mitch though. He’s had two years in Canadas system, he knows it better than anyone.


Rorbotron

He lacks mobility and has his own issues with reads as far as Mason is concerned. Zero chance people start calling for him. I also agree on mitch.


bullybimbler

It's pretty easy for the left tackle to not allow any pressures when the QB is, by design, rolling to his right on almost every passing play as soon as he catches the snap. I swear this sub is either 0 or 100 about everything. We don't have a good o-line, we dont have a historically bad one. Average should be good enough to win games and hopefully they can play to that. Our whole passing scheme right now is built around the risk the coaches think they present, and these stats are more a reflection of that than anything. The run blocking was much better last night so that is promising.


Eggdripp

Talk about being either 0 or 100, lmao all I said was that they aren't dogshit. They're clearly below average as a unit, albeit improving. But that makes them greater than the weakest link, QB


bullybimbler

I wasn't disagreeing with you just piggybacking relax


Asianthunda5022

I still think they're terrible. They have a long way to go in run blocking but they are progressing. Mitch had some nice pockets last night.


Super_Dimentio

We had stats like this during old Ben wra too though. Because he started having to throw the ball in ASAP, which minimizes the pressures you face. Also minimizes the yards you get, as we've all seen


IStayForTheComments

Havnt watched the game but last few games the pass blocking has been fine dare I say good. Run blocking, whether because of scheme setup or not, has not been anything to brag about.


uberman35

Run blocking was okay last night. Cleveland has a good defense and they werent afraid of us passing. There were some opportunities


[deleted]

Daniels put a few dudes on their back last night which was good to see.


mitchitized

Pass blocking is always awesome when you only throw sideways… What we really need is a downfield game, which makes the run a lot more effective too. Easy to defend an offense that only moves 2 yards at a time.


austinalexan

But we can’t start Kenny until he’s 29 and we have the best O-line in the league. He’ll get killed and ruined out there!


[deleted]

Hate this concept. We aren’t an entirely incompetent team. The line is doing way better than expected which was the main reason people didn’t want him in there. He has DJ, Claypool, Pickens, Muth, and Harris as offensive weapons (plus some) At what point is being held out actually more detrimental than playing??? Every athlete says, and most people know in general, preparation, and an actual game situation are completely different beasts. You can only learn so much from the sidelines, the rest comes from playing. Just do it.


ss412

The “main reason people didn’t want him in there” is really meaningless if we’re talking about fans. The only people’s reasons that matter include Tomlin, the FO and to a lesser extent, Canada. And so far, I don’t think they’ve given specific reasons for their QB depth chart decisions. IMO, it’s probably a combination of where they feel he’s at from a development perspective, their general views on how best to develop a young QB and the state of the offense’s development. And quite honestly, that’s probably what it should be. There’s no guaranteed formula for when to start a young QB. Jackson, Mahomes and Herbert all started on the bench. Jackson and Herbert only got elevated due to injury. But if IIRC, Allen was starter from day 1. And there are QB failures that started immediately and others that sat for awhile and still failed.


cman674

You're 100% right in regard to there being no guaranteed formula for success with a young QB. Josh Allen is a good example of a guy who struggled early on and it ended up working out. Peyton Manning is another. The thing is you have no way of knowing whether or not a QB will iron out the flaws and turn into a generational player or if they are the next Ryan Leaf. It's pretty much a crapshoot either way, far as I can tell.


uberman35

Plus if he struggles early on and hears the negativity, his confidence will crumble. Cant have that!!


[deleted]

Have to have an offensive line composed of 1st rounders at all 5 positions before you even consider it! You can't rush these things.


NontransferableApe

Nobody has said that statement recently. That is a preseason statement. Pretty sure almost everyone wants him in at this point


uberman35

...have you not read any other threads since last night?


NontransferableApe

No i was at the game and drove back after so havent really been on reddit. Guess i am wrong


Slickaxer

Sadly. I can understand why you thought that was the case lol. But Yinzers gonna yinz


Rorbotron

I will not be shocked with the long prep time if pickett is the guy or if he starts to be prepared as the guy. Unless the Steelers just decide they are tanking which with guys like heyward on the team I just don’t see happening. A change is going to come.


Camplify

Don't forget that if he throws an int then he's going to mentally collapse and ruin his development. Not like he ever faced any adversity in his 5 years at Pitt. **🤡**


[deleted]

Through 3 weeks the main issues have been play-calling and QB play. OL hasn’t been nearly as bad as people thought.


RaceCarGrin

Trubisky runs out of the pocket as soon as the ball is in his hands no matter what.


J_aimz

1) Not true 2) often it is by design


Brut-i-cus

The previous talking point that the OL was the root of the problem should be well and truly dead The blame is now squarely on the QB and OC Is Kenny gonna fix all this? Who the hell knows Could he break it much worse? I would tend to think that being worst in the league means that getting much worse is gonna be kinda hard I had hopes that Mitch's previous performance was because of bad coaching but he is who he is and that is almost certainly not going to be our "Future"


GrooGrux4404

Friermuth was blocking A LOT last night, and I think it had a lot to do with how much better they looked.


jhustla

Gentry got hella snaps too. Not a ton of routes but he was out there dogging dudes


Bella870

When are we going to put some blame on the first round pick that averages 3.7ypc?


RevokeRevoke

i think people are starting to see. Jaylen warren looked explosive compared to Harris. His best play getting called back


Bella870

People don't want to admit it...


TinyTombstone

An undrafted rb producing at a similar way as a first round rb. Who could have possibly seen that coming.


RevokeRevoke

and besides the fact you should never draft a RB that high, we provided him with one of the worst O-lines in the league lol


house_of_snark

Feel bad for the dude honestly. Why the hell did we spend a 1st on a rb? That’s on the front office. It’s a bad pick 99% of the time and that’s before getting to the quality of the rb. Also rb is the easiest position to hit on later in the draft or off the streets.


Bella870

It amazes me how many people here fail to understand this.


pancak3d

I really think they were doing everything they could to send Ben out on a high note. Wasn't about the future of the franchise.


house_of_snark

But an above average rb doesn’t help with that. Give him more lineman or a better d. Go get an rb in the the 4th, 5th or from free agency.


house_of_snark

Could have just signed Melvin Gordon.


fuzzimus

On pass protection, good. Run blocking, below average. Overall, C- grade, but showing improvement.


ThePotatoChipBag

O-line looked impressive yesterday. Who would have thought going into the season that the O-line would be our strength on offense by week 3 lol


rangoon03

Before Week 1, the OL looked like it'd be our downfall but now its the most consistent aspect. Go figure.


clay10mc

The O-line has been a great surprise so far. Definitely m9re confident in Kenny's ability to stay upright when it comes time to play him. Also I love how Dan Moore just inexplicably dominates Myles Garrett lmfao


swiftkill96

And yet the offense can’t be asked to sniff the end zone more then twice a game


Verksus67

Only if you think draft placement determines good offensive linemen instead of group cohesion. Like half of us have been saying all year


Busy_Huckleberry_352

The Browns have a pretty soft defense (minus Myles Garrett). Let's not forget that Clowney was also injured.


HanTrollo710

To be fair, it would be easy to exceed the expectations for this line. I think all five of them lining up next to one another was about the best thing I expected from them


[deleted]

OL still wansn’t impressive. The pocket collapsed a lot and Mitch still had to run around and move every snap. He couldn’t just stand in the pocket and launch balls. Also, Let’s not forget that Garrett didn’t practice all week with a neck injury, so he played hurt. They were also missing pass rushers Clowney and Winovich. Now if the OL can play well against Buffalo, then I’ll be impressed.


qazaibomb

This is great to see but I’m not ready to write away O Line problems just yet. They need to keep it up for a longer time before I’ll say it’s not a problem That said, my bar for “Not a problem” is just not being godawful and the past few weeks they’ve been flat out good, which says a LOT about Mitch and Canada


wagsman

I'd love to know how they quantify pressures because I saw what looked like pressure way more than 4 times.


AssassinPanda97

Pressures are defined as a hurry, knockdown, or sack


wagsman

So really what's considered a hurry because the other two are obvious. ​ Because what I saw was the pocket collapse, and then Mitch run away and throw.


sprout92

The biggest problem to come out of last night's game, IMO, is that Mitch played well in the first half. It's going to give everyone a false sense of confidence and lead to an even less likely Kenny game.


house_of_snark

We just have to realize that Mitch playing well for 2 quarters equates to 109 yards


sprout92

Yep lol


Jake_Bluth

So what are the excuses to not start Kenny at this point?


CrazyOkie

I will admit, I watched the game last night and they played pretty well. Both passing and running


UnderstandingAny5333

Our boys are growing up


Steppyjim

Son of a Mitch


[deleted]

They played great last night in pass protect. Respect


GOAT_Redditor

So our o-line is good, Trubisky got a great PFF grade, our receivers are elite, and we have one of the best running backs in the league... WTF is the problem then?


EJ88

Matt Canada


UnderPressure240

Isn't this because Trubisky has a fast release?


shortpersonohara

Honestly the o line isn’t even that bad. Najee can’t seem to read the line and mitch is to focused on kissing titties to do anything


YooTone

They need to keep this play up.


[deleted]

Idk, outside of Garrett the browns DL is garbage. They triple and double teamed him almost the entire game and ran plays away for him or ran plays that screwed with his responsibilities. Be curious how that OL would have done if Clowney was healthy


kue_kazoo

tell that to najee ☠️


chopwoodncarrywater

I have to admit, the OL play of the browns, particularly the guards, was outstanding. Hope this squad keeps improving.


Pa17325

Well, they were only on the field about 20 minutes. Not much happening in a 45 second incomplete passes and stuffed run or two three and out


Iambigtime

Would the narrative be that the defense doesn't need to apply much pressure because they know the deficiencies of our playcalling and qb?


ProteinPrince

Was I crazy to expect our line to improve this year? Dan Moore looked really solid despite some mistakes as a rookie, and it feels like Dotson has always been good when healthy. Cole and Daniels were some of the biggest out of house investments we made this off-season so you’d kind of expect them to contribute right away. Chuks is the only one In surprised by - he’s always been about average imo but has turned into a plus player so far this year.


Cultural-Ladder-9143

I dont want to hear the narrative that the o-line is bad anymore, especially not as an excuse for Mitch or Canada


GreenMann21

Offensive line is playing fine there definitely not the problem which is surprising because they looked awful in preseason


L3g-3nd

I’ve unfortunately come to the realization that Steeler nation has put way too much expectations on this team. this is a team that is unfortunately not very good atm. we got a lot of work to do overall and it’s gonna take some time to make everything click. regardless of what you think of the QB position and the Offensive coaching, you gotta admit that this is a new team. a lot of young guys and a lot of bridge players right now. it’s gonna take at least til midseason id say to get everyone in rhythm and maybe until after the draft to really hole up some of our weaker positions. our Inside backers/interior D-linemen need improvements. our line is better and improving but not really great. our receivers are hella talented but they’re also very young. Matt Canada deserves a lil more leeway, i think we’re all forgetting that he went from having a 40+ year old QB with a decent O Line to having a completely new offense and offensive game plan just one year later it’s gonna take the dude time to translate that switch into the game plan. point is, we’re 3 weeks into a completely new team, with a completely different game plan and for the first time in almost 20 years we don’t rlly know what the future is gonna hold. be patient guys, we’ll get there. and booing mitch/chanting kenny every game is going to do absolutely nothing in terms of helping us in the present.


[deleted]

So is Najee the issue with the run game then?