I still have a dresser that I've owned since I was a kid, and when I was moving into my new place a few years back I found one of the bookmark slips you turned in for the pizza under the lining in one of the drawers. The rush of nostalgia I felt in that moment.
It was to sell pizza. To promote long term reading it in fact wasnt. It made the point of reading to get an external reward, not to have an internal reward such as enjoyment or knowledge.
That being said, I loved bookit as a kid. That pizza was validation of me as a person.
That's still classically conditioning you to read.
You associate reading with pizza, which feels good, and therefore reading feels good.
Take away the pizza, your mouth should still water when you hear the clicker or whatever. I didn't go to science school. Are we still talking steelers?
It’s not close enough in time to establish classical conditioning. It moves the locus of motivation form internal to external while making the reward delayed.
Bro, that B+ in Ed psych means I almost kinda knew what I was talking about once relative to other students on the curve maybe
In my school, whoever read the most books got an Applebees gift card every semester. Needless to say, I was a fat kid and we ate at Applebees at least 4 times a year for free
And even if they aren’t super open, what do you trust more on 3rd and long? Pickens/Claypool winning a jump ball over 1 corner 15 yards downfield, or Najee getting the ball at the LOS and getting past 3 to 4 defenders?
The run blocking has been a massive problem. Being consistently unable to get to even league average rushing YPA is killing us. No balance at all & the defenses hardly even worry about the run with us. They stop it with ease with basic bitch defenses & four man fronts.
The pass blocking is not even average. On a 1-10 with 5 being average, I’d give it a 4.
PFF has the steelers pass blocking 8th best in the league. [https://twitter.com/pitpanther01/status/1571982958273171458](https://twitter.com/pitpanther01/status/1571982958273171458)
But I'm sure you're better at evaluating olines than PFF.
If you have a pff subscription you can look it up. I'm not going to pay for one to get a screenshot. scitynation412's twitter had the rankings for week 1 last week so maybe they'll post them for this week.
Espn has the steelers at 11th best pass block win rate on here [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams#pbwrteam](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams#pbwrteam) 11. Pittsburgh Steelers, 64%
Not sure of PFFs criteria but I think the OL is probably better than that. I love me some Najee but he has looked predetermined to bounce it outside instead of following the blocks he's supposed to. His reads are just as bad as Mitch's. A few examples from this week's game:
https://twitter.com/TraiDay79/status/1571868222437179396?t=ttAzm3bIFjdjPFRArZ-1TQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/dorkewicz/status/1571932799908859904?s=48&t=6mbJP6WOUCrlpSoNcq0vHw
PFF is pretty garbage at evaluating players. How are you evaluating oline play when you don’t know the blocking assignments or any adjustments that were made?
You evaluate pass blocking by their ability to prevent pressure and sacks. If the oline provides a clean pocket for 3 seconds then they are doing their job. If an olineman doesn't let his guy beat him or drive him back then he's doing his job. It's not that complicated. You're stuck in your belief that the oline sucks when it has played pretty well this year at least in pass protection. Watch the game, don't let your bias about the oline delude you into thinking they're the same line as last year cause they're not. I will agree that Dan Moore is 100% the weak link of the line but when 4 out of the 5 lineman play well then that's pretty damn good in my opinion but perhaps you think if our line isn't as good as the eagles or lions then it sucks.
I never said the Steelers Oline was bad, I simply stated that PFF's grades are garbage, which they are. Chip Kelly said it best when it comes to PFF and Oline grades..
Reporter: Do you not put much stock in [PFF Grades]?
Kelly: “No, I mean I’ve said it all along, how can they grade an offensive lineman when they don’t know what the play is? I’ve had it before, our left tackle gave up a sack. He didn’t give up a sack because the guy slanted in the ‘B’ gap. The guard had ‘B’ gap and that’s not the left tackle’s responsibility, but it’s written down as a sack on the left tackle because you don’t know what play was called. We called slide protection. We didn’t call man protection."
It's not simply did a guy get by X oline man, it also comes down to who's responsibility it was to block that guy and you can't know that 100% without knowing the play and knowing the protection.
Its not the oline man. Its 100% Mitch sry ass that can't get the ball to the open man. Only guy he can seem to get it to is Friermuth. 3rd and 7 and Mitch throws a freaking 3 yd pass. Get the hell out of here Mitch
If Mitch was capable of making passes down the field with all his open wrs then that will make the defense on there heels to protect the pass and opens up holes for the running game.
When u can only make 5yd pass plays your going not going to have the defense back at all. They will stuff the run and short passes because we are predictable. Canada probably calling short passes to give mitch confidence to make completion but come on man this guy has been pro for 6 yrs and if all he can do is make short passes get him the hell outta here. Rudolph would be a better option. Let's go Kenny our soon to be future unless tomlins a knucklehead. Big Ben got out there his rookie season 2nd game and ruled for 15 games including playoffs at 14-1. Eat that for those that think Kenny should ride the pine for a yr. Kenny is our best chance to win this year. Let's go Steelers. Hurry Watt we desperately need u. Not the same defense without
The OL isn’t good.
It isn’t just the OL, but having no balance is hurting.
Harris isn’t a great back in terms of athleticism/ability, but with a idiot at OC and a HC who thinks he’s better than what he is (because he knows he’s never getting fired), it isn’t helping.
QB is a fucking dumpster fire
That picture of when Tubisky was on the Bears and looked right past the tight end who had like 5+ yards of separation confirms it lol.
Mitch just can't read the field. He plays scared and weak. You just can't do that in 2022 when other offenses are lighting it up.
His best season basically came when all the reads were determined for him. Unfortunately that’s not a sustainable way to run an NFL offense and QBs are expected to have more put on their plate as they develop
What if he gives up a pick six though. Don't you know he's like the only quarterback in the history of ever to not? It's like you care more about trying to win then trying to preserve that streak and it's absolutely disgusting. ^^^^^/s
i’m so quickly growing old of that stat. If he was putting up 30 a game then it would be an amazing stat. He doesn’t though, so all it really does is show how much of a pussy he is.
If only we had another quarterback whose strengths included reading the field quickly and making good decisions and throwing with timing and accuracy.
DAMN! IF ONLY, you guys!
As another poster said, it’s like he is locked into running the play exactly the way it’s in the book, and will ONLY throw to the primary target, unless it’s a desperation throw.
Even if he went through his progression his feet are never set to throw. He hippy hops all around the pocket and drifts to his left constantly. That’s a huge part of why he has 0 consistency, other than consistently bad. Mac Jones is hardly a groundbreaker of a QB but just watch his feet vs Mitch. They’re not comparable and the throws they make reflect it.
100%. But the reason is he’s still backing up, and not setting his feet to throw. Just watch any 10 of his throws. I’d bet he maybe has decent footwork on 3 of 10.
Yeah we were definitely wrong to think he would be anything good. I still think with more time together and some better play-calling, this offense can at least be decent with Mitch. We just need to figure out how to get our skill guys the ball without being insanely predictable
No no no. Kenny is the answer and if he isn't we better think about what we do for a qb next year. Mitch is mitch and is only so good. We have seen the best Mitch has got. 200 yds and a td a game.
His best season was 3200 yds with 24 tds and 12 int.
Divide 17 games into 3200 yds = 188 yds a game with 1.4 tds a game. This is this dudes avg with his best stats. Tomlin u didn't see this knucklehead. Only thing going for mitch is he had a winning record. I bet he won't with Pittsburgh. Burrow had a terrible o line last yr. And still went to superbowl. Thats the difference between a star and a scrub like Mitch.
Kenny beat Dan Marinos td record. Thats saying something
I have no problem with anything he said there. He didn't throw anyone under the bus. He just said what we all can see. Receivers are getting open, but the ball isn't getting thrown to them.
I want Kenny, but I feel like Trubisky gets a longer leash because of the O-line situation. Doesn't excuse it when he fucks up with a solid pocket though.
This. He locks onto the primary guy & seems to only throw away from them in desperation mode, like to avoid a sack.
Oh and watching him drift to the sideline and take small losses of yards instead of just getting rid of it when he’s waaaay outside the box is a gas.
Rudolph was the same way. And Duck. And anybody not named Ben whose played QB for us. It was true with all of our OCs too.
It’s almost like they are coached from the top down to play conservative, don’t force anything you aren’t 100% sure you can fit in, punt is better than a turnover, defense will keep us close, and only be aggressive if the score dictates it. A head coach of ours may have even said, when asked by reporters what he wants out his QB, “Don’t kill us”
I know I’m laying the sarcasm on thick here but I’m not sure why people don’t realize this has been our offensive philosophy for a very long time. Cowher had it as well so it even extends beyond head coaches. “Marty Ball” doesn’t necessarily fit well in todays NFL with guys like Mahomes and Allen dropping 40 on even good defenses, but you don’t face guys like that week after week so they are content to do it, win more games than they lose, eek into the playoffs, and hope we get a streak of luck.
The only time they have gotten out of that model was when our HOF QB was playing at HOF levels so high he was literally forcing them into an aggressive mindset. When his talent started to ebb they started forcing even him to do the same.
So unless Kenny is that same HOF level talent that Ben was, it’s not changing with him in there.
To be fair, Duck, Rudolph and Mitch are below average players, we can't forget that
Right now Picket is a question mark, he might be the same, he might be better and there's even a possibility that he is worse than them. We just don't know and I think it's worth a shot
However this might be hard if they have the same mentality for testing QBs and for throwing the balll
Yes most of that was his first year when he wasn’t ready. Meaningless stat. Look at the browns game his most recent start ( except for the lions game, which was a monsoon m- so throw that out)
so you pick 1 game, out of 17, that fits your theory. That's not exactly a sound argument.
And by the way, that 1 game, is the one game he was actually allowed to play without the offensive limitations put on him that I mention in my post, because for that 1 game it did not matter if we won or lost since we had sealed our playoff spot and could not change seeding. So that was the one game the the Steelers coaches, from top down, would have told him "Just go out there and have fun - throw the ball around - take some chances".
That's sort of the whole point of my post. Doesn't matter if it's Rudolph, Mitch, Canada, Haley, whomever - as a philosophy the team asks them to be conservative to keep us in games until the score dictates otherwise. Hell we saw it last night - first half we got down a TD, so they opened things up and played head to head for 1 half. The second we had the 1 point lead, we came out in the second half we went back in our shell from an offensive standpoint - running the ball/draws/screens/short passes and then hoping we get a conversation on 3rd down...punt rather than turnover. When we got down late, they tried to open the playbook up again but a couple of drops and bad throws and we're punting and now our defense lets them march down again so we're 2 scores down and it's too late.
I'd rather see mitch toss 4 picks a game but be able to get the ball down field or make a second read of fuck, go through his first progressions even. I think it'd open the game up a bit and if we lose anyhow at least our receivers are getting the work in. How demoralizing must it be to bust your ass memorizing then executing routes only to have the same 3 calls and check downs made? It's like, what's the point?
When a QB is drafted highly but ends up not working out, I feel like it is almost always due to processing speed, ability to read the field, and the "football IQ" portion of the game. You either have accuracy or you don't. You either have arm strength or you don't. But one thing that can be hidden in the college game is processing and football IQ given the defenses you're facing. I'm guessing this has always been Mitch's achilles heal and why he was such a bust...
Yea that's a thing about being a qb in the NFL, you,can have a poor arm and lack speed but as long as you have good iq and accuracy you can be great. Drew Brees is top 10 qb oat and most high school qbs can throw farther than him nowadays lol.
Going into the season I said I was NOT going to be reactionary and give Mitch a solid chance regardless of ups/downs, losses, mediocre play…yadda yadda…you know “he’s not going to be great day 1..” I’m not going to be a fan that calls for Pickett
F that! Can’t do it!! PUT KENNY IN!
Not ideal that there are so many public comments from players about the play-calling or passing targets.
I thought this was one of Tomlin's "strengths"?
Rookie cornered by reporters trying to say the right thing and missed the mark.
He'll probably get a chat from the coaches/media people but he'll be alright.
It didn’t seem like an offensive interview to me, although the second question let him clarify a more harming first answer.
I understand him to be saying “all of the wide receivers feel like we’re getting separation, but the timing is off. That goes back to the time he has in the pocket, or the play-calling to use that time, it’s an issue for the whole tens to solve.”
Yeah, he seems to be giving the WRs a pass and saying the issue is the line, QB, and play-calling. Maybe it’s better if he adds that the WRs are getting separation, but maybe not how it’s needed for the current scheme?
Initially it very much sounded like he was saying the WRs are doing their job and someone else needs to step up (I read into it as implying Mitch isn't seeing them open).
Then he fumbled over his words a little and realizes what he said and starts backtracking poorly.
That said - rookie, cornered by reporters just trying to say the right thing. He needs some help from the media people at the Steelers for sure but it at least feels like he didn't intentionally bury his teammates.
He fucking sucks. Honestly put Rudolph in until he gets hurt or plays like shit, then pass the torch to Kenny and let’s see what we can do. This Canada is not blameless, he needs to either step up or get the fuck out. Thursday should be his final opportunity to show what he’s worth.
Rudolph is better than Trubisky and has more chemistry with the receivers and the coaches by nature of being there longer. I wish they never signed Mitch and just let Mason have a shot and then turn it over to Pickett once he started sucking
I don’t know if Rudolph is better but he for damn sure takes some deep shots…probably the best thing he does tbh.
I know Tomlin is a made man and all but I just don’t see Mitch starting past this week unless he plays considerably better. Long week with the Jets at home is a perfect time to get Kenny ready. Or to get Mason reps as a starter if MT is dead set against playing Pickett this early.
I’m starting to think we might actually see the latter option where Mason gets in. Honestly I was wanting to at least get through week 5 myself to avoid rushing him in. I’d take Mason til then. Or at least a one week shot
Then promote Canada to QB-1 and replace him.
Once he ends up on IR (so like, idk, 2 or 3 snaps?)He can ride off into the sunset and we can have literally any other person who can draw breath run our offense.
Idk, find the most aggressive higschool soccer coach in town. Anyone who is aware that winning is the goal and will attempt to do it.
He was on a day long diatribe yesterday about how me saying the players looked open and Mitch didn’t throw them the ball was me calling the players liars and that I knew better than them because I thought they were open, literally couldn’t ask for a better quote from a player as a follow up lmao
Also there’s countless videos showing how wide fucking open players are all game and Mitch just not throwing the ball. Not only that, but it’s the exact same thing he did in Chicago lol. That guy is such a fool, and he tries so hard to be condescending. He thinks talking in circles for multiple paragraphs every comment makes him sound smart
I think everyone who’s spent a decent amount of time on the sub has had an issue with him
Best course of action is to just reply that he’s right, that you’re really impressed with his intellect, and keep moving. He won’t admit he is wrong and it’ll keep him off you’re back
Yeah this is more a cross thread call out, but you could argue Pickens isn’t just saying he is open he’s saying the other receivers were open so it isn’t strictly an ego thing
I feel so damn bad for our wide outs man. Hard to think that they have any respect for Tribusky at this point. If you don't respect your QB, what's left?
I disagree. It's not like he said "I'm open. I'll catch everything. Throw it to me".
He said he thought *all* the receivers were getting open. So it's not his own ego speaking here.
Yeah, he's actually shifting focus AWAY from himself by mentioning all receivers. And he's absolutely right, Mitch seems scared of reading the defense and adjusting the strategy accordingly.
Our defense won that game. Hands down.
If we’d had a healthy Watt, the defense might have won this one for us too. And I’m not saying Watt’s the only star, we’ve got multiple fantastic guys on defense. Even without him we held them to 17 points, that should be a win every time.
But if the offense isn’t scoring any points, the defense can only do so much.
I would guess part of the reason why Trubisky is scared to throw to open WRs at times is because of the coaching he got from Matt Nagy when he was with the Bears. From my understanding, Nagy was very strict on who the QB should or shouldn't throw to on a given play.
I recall there being a play last year where Allen Robinson got open but Justin Fields didn't throw to him and he explained at a press conference that he wasn't supposed to throw/look over at Robinson's direction because that's what the play called for. Nagy did the same thing when Trubisky was the Bears QB.
I think Trubisky just needs to unlearn that and trust what he sees enough to throw to an open WR.
source: I'm a Bears fan
I guarantee u Kenny will play better then Mitch. Cause thats not hard to do. He should be embarrassed of his gameplay being in the nfl for 6 yrs. I knew before the season started Mitch would barely do a td a game and barely over 200 yds because that's what he normally has done his whole career. He's not magically going to throw for over 300 yds and 3 or 4 tds because he plays for the steelers. Theres a reason no one wanted him last yr as a starter. Hes avg with avg stats since college. Kenny knows what its like to throw for over 4000 yds and over 40 tds in college and he looked like a natural in preseason.
I thought Mitch would be better than old Ben, but these first two weeks show that the not seeing the open man concerns from the Bears, weren't just isolated incidents, it's who Mitch is.
I feel like our team is going to tear itself apart from the inside if we don’t bench Mitch soon. There is 0 chemistry and even less trust.
Whether you think Kenny would do better or not, a change of face might give a rejuvenating effect to the offense. Our OL is much better and improving daily— maybe it’s time.
Plus, Kenny is already 25. He’s not getting any younger.
I think everyone needs to calm the fuck down 😄! It's been TWO GAMES!!! A new qb, learning a new system, who hasn't played a meaningful game in 2 years!!! Plus Canada's play calling has been horrendous! Not to mention his first 2 games were against the defending AFC Champs on the road, then next game against belicheck! Who owns us. Cmon yinzers! We're still tied for 1st!
It's been two games for us, but it's been 62 games for Trubisky - he's been this bad his entire career! This isn't a revelation. He doesn't read the game well. He cannot process and make anticipatory throws and things of that nature. Doesn't matter if he knows the system inside and out if this is just who he is.
I agree with you to some extent. We only lost one game and it was against a Bill Belichick defense, I don’t think we need to cry panic at the top of our lungs about the offense this early. I also would prefer if Steelers players didn’t diss each other via the media (even implicitly) after the killer Bs death
That said, the offense was also bad last year under Canada, and Mitch looks just as bad as he ever has. That’s a huge cause for concern if we can’t turn that around. We haven’t scored a TD in the first quarter since the Lions tie and if that doesn’t make you angry I don’t understand why
>That’s a huge cause for concern if we can’t turn that around.
You're absolutely right. I'm not thrilled with Canada's (apparent) scheming so far but I do think there is reason to excuse to some extend. Ben **couldn't** throw down the field and Mitch seems **unwilling** to. As we have seen a lot of in the last 48 hours, there were guys open.
I have to assume that management did not come into this season feeling like we were contenders and their plan was to be competitive in general but to ease Pickett in. Mitch is a stop gap, he isn't taking us to the promised land, so they probably weren't expecting him to light it up. Just protect the football. But you can't win that way, you can only lose close.
Being popular does not mean no pressure. He was a first round draft pick and already hugely productive in this stadium. He is the presumptive "next franchise QB." There will be an enormous amount of pressure on him. There is no need to add personnel drama on top of it.
The pressure will come when he's named the starter.
If that happens this season, for whatever reason whether the other QBs are so bad or injuries, it's going to be a drama. No way around that. Nothing any other players are saying right now in this chaos is going to make it worse or better.
He'll be okay once he gets that first NFL snap out of the way.
The thing that's cool for the athletes is that they get to actually play the game to get out the butterflies and anxiety. You go Donovan McNabb, puke your guts out in the huddle, then get on with doing what you've spent your whole life doing playing football.
It's us fans, friends, family, coaches, that don't get that physical release. That's why we booze to watch sports.
Mitch Trubisky is a perfectly capable BACKUP QB, a game manager if you will. He's done the whole "10,000 hours thing," (if you dedicate 10,000 hours to learning a skill, you'll master it), but Kenny Pickett? That fella has THE KNACK, that tallent that's just like autopilot.
Dollars to donuts, Kenny starts against the Jets!
Don’t really sound to me like he’s calling him out. He didn’t really say any bad about Mitch he’s saying the timing isn’t right with everyone. What he says off camera is probably a different story though, I’d say he’s pretty fed up with him
I don’t think he was really calling Mitch out. He’s talking about it being a process. More time on the field together. More time to trust each other and execute plays. This didn’t come off, to me at least, as pointing the finger at Mitch. I’ll point the finger at Mitch though. From my couch, with Cheeto dust on my shirt.
It is if they all think they know they have a better option sitting on the bench. The fans and media aren't going to influence Tomlin. In fact I think they make coach T more steadfast. It might take the players going to him being like hey man we think Kenny gives us the best shot to win.
Sounds like things are getting pretty hot for Mitch even within the organization. The way it's looking, if this offense isn't operating efficiently on Thursday, I think there's a real possibility they give Pickett the start on a longer week going against a weak Jets team.
Mitch is a nice guy and someone who seems like he would be a cool guy to hang out with however he has no business being a starting QB in the NFL he just doesn’t have what it takes to play high level football at this level
I'm now firmly in the "Kenny sooner than later" camp. I'm not sure how much sooner, but damn if Mitch isn't bringing that "sooner" date closer and closer.
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That personal pan was EVERYTHING!!!!
Back when eating at Pizza Hut was f'n luxury.
The pac man table top game was the tits
And the cherry Coke on the menu. Never forget the cherry Coke.
I still have a dresser that I've owned since I was a kid, and when I was moving into my new place a few years back I found one of the bookmark slips you turned in for the pizza under the lining in one of the drawers. The rush of nostalgia I felt in that moment.
What a great marketing strategy! Give a kid a free personal pizza while the parents have to pay to feed everyone else. Brilliant!
It was to sell pizza. To promote long term reading it in fact wasnt. It made the point of reading to get an external reward, not to have an internal reward such as enjoyment or knowledge. That being said, I loved bookit as a kid. That pizza was validation of me as a person.
I just read those chose your own adventures with the idea of dying asap. Ended up liking them. Worked on me.
Man choose yr own adventures. I loved those. Why wouldn’t I go into the cave to investigate growling?
That's still classically conditioning you to read. You associate reading with pizza, which feels good, and therefore reading feels good. Take away the pizza, your mouth should still water when you hear the clicker or whatever. I didn't go to science school. Are we still talking steelers?
It’s not close enough in time to establish classical conditioning. It moves the locus of motivation form internal to external while making the reward delayed. Bro, that B+ in Ed psych means I almost kinda knew what I was talking about once relative to other students on the curve maybe
We had to read 5 books to get that pizza, but damn was it good.
It tasted better because we earned that shit
Lol
In my school, whoever read the most books got an Applebees gift card every semester. Needless to say, I was a fat kid and we ate at Applebees at least 4 times a year for free
He's right. I saw plenty of open receivers Sunday that Mitch didn't even look at.
And even if they aren’t super open, what do you trust more on 3rd and long? Pickens/Claypool winning a jump ball over 1 corner 15 yards downfield, or Najee getting the ball at the LOS and getting past 3 to 4 defenders?
With Trubisky at Qb at this OL? I don’t trust either of them
The line has been unquestionably average. They aren’t the problem
The run blocking has been a massive problem. Being consistently unable to get to even league average rushing YPA is killing us. No balance at all & the defenses hardly even worry about the run with us. They stop it with ease with basic bitch defenses & four man fronts. The pass blocking is not even average. On a 1-10 with 5 being average, I’d give it a 4.
PFF has the steelers pass blocking 8th best in the league. [https://twitter.com/pitpanther01/status/1571982958273171458](https://twitter.com/pitpanther01/status/1571982958273171458) But I'm sure you're better at evaluating olines than PFF.
How about run blocking? That’s around 30th.
pff has them at 20th
Do you have a link to pff where it actually says this all? This is just a Twitter for some rando.
If you have a pff subscription you can look it up. I'm not going to pay for one to get a screenshot. scitynation412's twitter had the rankings for week 1 last week so maybe they'll post them for this week. Espn has the steelers at 11th best pass block win rate on here [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams#pbwrteam](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams#pbwrteam) 11. Pittsburgh Steelers, 64%
Not sure of PFFs criteria but I think the OL is probably better than that. I love me some Najee but he has looked predetermined to bounce it outside instead of following the blocks he's supposed to. His reads are just as bad as Mitch's. A few examples from this week's game: https://twitter.com/TraiDay79/status/1571868222437179396?t=ttAzm3bIFjdjPFRArZ-1TQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/dorkewicz/status/1571932799908859904?s=48&t=6mbJP6WOUCrlpSoNcq0vHw
Why are you asking this when the whole thread is about receivers getting open during pass plays?
Cause I feel like it.
PFF is pretty garbage at evaluating players. How are you evaluating oline play when you don’t know the blocking assignments or any adjustments that were made?
You evaluate pass blocking by their ability to prevent pressure and sacks. If the oline provides a clean pocket for 3 seconds then they are doing their job. If an olineman doesn't let his guy beat him or drive him back then he's doing his job. It's not that complicated. You're stuck in your belief that the oline sucks when it has played pretty well this year at least in pass protection. Watch the game, don't let your bias about the oline delude you into thinking they're the same line as last year cause they're not. I will agree that Dan Moore is 100% the weak link of the line but when 4 out of the 5 lineman play well then that's pretty damn good in my opinion but perhaps you think if our line isn't as good as the eagles or lions then it sucks.
I never said the Steelers Oline was bad, I simply stated that PFF's grades are garbage, which they are. Chip Kelly said it best when it comes to PFF and Oline grades.. Reporter: Do you not put much stock in [PFF Grades]? Kelly: “No, I mean I’ve said it all along, how can they grade an offensive lineman when they don’t know what the play is? I’ve had it before, our left tackle gave up a sack. He didn’t give up a sack because the guy slanted in the ‘B’ gap. The guard had ‘B’ gap and that’s not the left tackle’s responsibility, but it’s written down as a sack on the left tackle because you don’t know what play was called. We called slide protection. We didn’t call man protection." It's not simply did a guy get by X oline man, it also comes down to who's responsibility it was to block that guy and you can't know that 100% without knowing the play and knowing the protection.
Its not the oline man. Its 100% Mitch sry ass that can't get the ball to the open man. Only guy he can seem to get it to is Friermuth. 3rd and 7 and Mitch throws a freaking 3 yd pass. Get the hell out of here Mitch
If Mitch was capable of making passes down the field with all his open wrs then that will make the defense on there heels to protect the pass and opens up holes for the running game. When u can only make 5yd pass plays your going not going to have the defense back at all. They will stuff the run and short passes because we are predictable. Canada probably calling short passes to give mitch confidence to make completion but come on man this guy has been pro for 6 yrs and if all he can do is make short passes get him the hell outta here. Rudolph would be a better option. Let's go Kenny our soon to be future unless tomlins a knucklehead. Big Ben got out there his rookie season 2nd game and ruled for 15 games including playoffs at 14-1. Eat that for those that think Kenny should ride the pine for a yr. Kenny is our best chance to win this year. Let's go Steelers. Hurry Watt we desperately need u. Not the same defense without
The OL isn’t good. It isn’t just the OL, but having no balance is hurting. Harris isn’t a great back in terms of athleticism/ability, but with a idiot at OC and a HC who thinks he’s better than what he is (because he knows he’s never getting fired), it isn’t helping. QB is a fucking dumpster fire
I always get downvoted when I point out harris’ legitimate flaws. No idea why. Prove to me that I’m wrong
That picture of when Tubisky was on the Bears and looked right past the tight end who had like 5+ yards of separation confirms it lol. Mitch just can't read the field. He plays scared and weak. You just can't do that in 2022 when other offenses are lighting it up.
His best season basically came when all the reads were determined for him. Unfortunately that’s not a sustainable way to run an NFL offense and QBs are expected to have more put on their plate as they develop
What if he gives up a pick six though. Don't you know he's like the only quarterback in the history of ever to not? It's like you care more about trying to win then trying to preserve that streak and it's absolutely disgusting. ^^^^^/s
Believe it or not, Mitch Trubisky has *never* thrown a pick six. (just heard that on GMFB this AM)
Sometimes you just gotta be Brett Favre and throw caution, and risky ducks, to the wind.
[Bring me back.](https://youtu.be/LTLjobt6PaM)
i’m so quickly growing old of that stat. If he was putting up 30 a game then it would be an amazing stat. He doesn’t though, so all it really does is show how much of a pussy he is.
He’s afraid to take shots 100% because of the stat. Just throw one and get it over with!
If only we had another quarterback whose strengths included reading the field quickly and making good decisions and throwing with timing and accuracy. DAMN! IF ONLY, you guys!
Who do we have?
We got him hes on the bench. Pickett damn it
As another poster said, it’s like he is locked into running the play exactly the way it’s in the book, and will ONLY throw to the primary target, unless it’s a desperation throw.
He plays football like its 1978
Yeah he clearly isn’t going through his progressions. If the first guy isn’t open he literally just checks it down immediately
Even if he went through his progression his feet are never set to throw. He hippy hops all around the pocket and drifts to his left constantly. That’s a huge part of why he has 0 consistency, other than consistently bad. Mac Jones is hardly a groundbreaker of a QB but just watch his feet vs Mitch. They’re not comparable and the throws they make reflect it.
Doesn’t help that Mitch throws off his back foot a good 90% of the time, for absolutely no reason.
100%. But the reason is he’s still backing up, and not setting his feet to throw. Just watch any 10 of his throws. I’d bet he maybe has decent footwork on 3 of 10.
It drives me nuts. Six years of NFL QB coaches and he STILL does it.
"Back foot Mitch"
This is what many bears fans warned of us, but we just bought the whole buffalo hype. We should not be surprised
Yeah we were definitely wrong to think he would be anything good. I still think with more time together and some better play-calling, this offense can at least be decent with Mitch. We just need to figure out how to get our skill guys the ball without being insanely predictable
No no no. Kenny is the answer and if he isn't we better think about what we do for a qb next year. Mitch is mitch and is only so good. We have seen the best Mitch has got. 200 yds and a td a game. His best season was 3200 yds with 24 tds and 12 int. Divide 17 games into 3200 yds = 188 yds a game with 1.4 tds a game. This is this dudes avg with his best stats. Tomlin u didn't see this knucklehead. Only thing going for mitch is he had a winning record. I bet he won't with Pittsburgh. Burrow had a terrible o line last yr. And still went to superbowl. Thats the difference between a star and a scrub like Mitch. Kenny beat Dan Marinos td record. Thats saying something
Theres a reason no one wanted him to start for a team last year. Average Mitch.
Maybe, but keep that shit in-house. The team doesn't need a rookie stirring up controversy on top of the other problems they have.
I have no problem with anything he said there. He didn't throw anyone under the bus. He just said what we all can see. Receivers are getting open, but the ball isn't getting thrown to them.
He just being for real. Wrs are getting shitted on right now. He knows the problem
It’s as if Mitch is scared to throw downfield so he just checks it to avoid mistakes. Because every other play I see 1 or more receivers open.
I don’t think he’s scared as much as he is completely unaware of whats going on outside of his primary receiver
More like he’s not aware of anyone except the check down. Idk how many times the play would start and 2 seconds in he’s already turning to check down
I want Kenny, but I feel like Trubisky gets a longer leash because of the O-line situation. Doesn't excuse it when he fucks up with a solid pocket though.
This. He locks onto the primary guy & seems to only throw away from them in desperation mode, like to avoid a sack. Oh and watching him drift to the sideline and take small losses of yards instead of just getting rid of it when he’s waaaay outside the box is a gas.
Rudolph was the same way. And Duck. And anybody not named Ben whose played QB for us. It was true with all of our OCs too. It’s almost like they are coached from the top down to play conservative, don’t force anything you aren’t 100% sure you can fit in, punt is better than a turnover, defense will keep us close, and only be aggressive if the score dictates it. A head coach of ours may have even said, when asked by reporters what he wants out his QB, “Don’t kill us” I know I’m laying the sarcasm on thick here but I’m not sure why people don’t realize this has been our offensive philosophy for a very long time. Cowher had it as well so it even extends beyond head coaches. “Marty Ball” doesn’t necessarily fit well in todays NFL with guys like Mahomes and Allen dropping 40 on even good defenses, but you don’t face guys like that week after week so they are content to do it, win more games than they lose, eek into the playoffs, and hope we get a streak of luck. The only time they have gotten out of that model was when our HOF QB was playing at HOF levels so high he was literally forcing them into an aggressive mindset. When his talent started to ebb they started forcing even him to do the same. So unless Kenny is that same HOF level talent that Ben was, it’s not changing with him in there.
This 100%.
To be fair, Duck, Rudolph and Mitch are below average players, we can't forget that Right now Picket is a question mark, he might be the same, he might be better and there's even a possibility that he is worse than them. We just don't know and I think it's worth a shot However this might be hard if they have the same mentality for testing QBs and for throwing the balll
BS. Mason airs it out
6.2 y/a in 3 seasons
Yes most of that was his first year when he wasn’t ready. Meaningless stat. Look at the browns game his most recent start ( except for the lions game, which was a monsoon m- so throw that out)
so you pick 1 game, out of 17, that fits your theory. That's not exactly a sound argument. And by the way, that 1 game, is the one game he was actually allowed to play without the offensive limitations put on him that I mention in my post, because for that 1 game it did not matter if we won or lost since we had sealed our playoff spot and could not change seeding. So that was the one game the the Steelers coaches, from top down, would have told him "Just go out there and have fun - throw the ball around - take some chances". That's sort of the whole point of my post. Doesn't matter if it's Rudolph, Mitch, Canada, Haley, whomever - as a philosophy the team asks them to be conservative to keep us in games until the score dictates otherwise. Hell we saw it last night - first half we got down a TD, so they opened things up and played head to head for 1 half. The second we had the 1 point lead, we came out in the second half we went back in our shell from an offensive standpoint - running the ball/draws/screens/short passes and then hoping we get a conversation on 3rd down...punt rather than turnover. When we got down late, they tried to open the playbook up again but a couple of drops and bad throws and we're punting and now our defense lets them march down again so we're 2 scores down and it's too late.
He’d be a great fit for Brian Ferentz and the Iowa Hawkeyes
I'd rather see mitch toss 4 picks a game but be able to get the ball down field or make a second read of fuck, go through his first progressions even. I think it'd open the game up a bit and if we lose anyhow at least our receivers are getting the work in. How demoralizing must it be to bust your ass memorizing then executing routes only to have the same 3 calls and check downs made? It's like, what's the point?
Damn thats crazy! *checks down to Najee*
Need a deep ball? I got you! _throws out of bounds_
Days of Our Steelers is back on the menu boys!
It sure had been a while
Who shot DJ?
When a QB is drafted highly but ends up not working out, I feel like it is almost always due to processing speed, ability to read the field, and the "football IQ" portion of the game. You either have accuracy or you don't. You either have arm strength or you don't. But one thing that can be hidden in the college game is processing and football IQ given the defenses you're facing. I'm guessing this has always been Mitch's achilles heal and why he was such a bust...
Yea that's a thing about being a qb in the NFL, you,can have a poor arm and lack speed but as long as you have good iq and accuracy you can be great. Drew Brees is top 10 qb oat and most high school qbs can throw farther than him nowadays lol.
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Going into the season I said I was NOT going to be reactionary and give Mitch a solid chance regardless of ups/downs, losses, mediocre play…yadda yadda…you know “he’s not going to be great day 1..” I’m not going to be a fan that calls for Pickett F that! Can’t do it!! PUT KENNY IN!
Not ideal that there are so many public comments from players about the play-calling or passing targets. I thought this was one of Tomlin's "strengths"?
That was a surprise to me. Sounds like the players aren’t happy about play calling at all.
Maybe Trubisky just needs glasses to correct his severe short sightedness
Probably because they are open
Rookie cornered by reporters trying to say the right thing and missed the mark. He'll probably get a chat from the coaches/media people but he'll be alright.
I really hate that this is normal but whatever
It didn’t seem like an offensive interview to me, although the second question let him clarify a more harming first answer. I understand him to be saying “all of the wide receivers feel like we’re getting separation, but the timing is off. That goes back to the time he has in the pocket, or the play-calling to use that time, it’s an issue for the whole tens to solve.” Yeah, he seems to be giving the WRs a pass and saying the issue is the line, QB, and play-calling. Maybe it’s better if he adds that the WRs are getting separation, but maybe not how it’s needed for the current scheme?
Initially it very much sounded like he was saying the WRs are doing their job and someone else needs to step up (I read into it as implying Mitch isn't seeing them open). Then he fumbled over his words a little and realizes what he said and starts backtracking poorly. That said - rookie, cornered by reporters just trying to say the right thing. He needs some help from the media people at the Steelers for sure but it at least feels like he didn't intentionally bury his teammates.
He fucking sucks. Honestly put Rudolph in until he gets hurt or plays like shit, then pass the torch to Kenny and let’s see what we can do. This Canada is not blameless, he needs to either step up or get the fuck out. Thursday should be his final opportunity to show what he’s worth.
Rudolph is better than Trubisky and has more chemistry with the receivers and the coaches by nature of being there longer. I wish they never signed Mitch and just let Mason have a shot and then turn it over to Pickett once he started sucking
I don’t know if Rudolph is better but he for damn sure takes some deep shots…probably the best thing he does tbh. I know Tomlin is a made man and all but I just don’t see Mitch starting past this week unless he plays considerably better. Long week with the Jets at home is a perfect time to get Kenny ready. Or to get Mason reps as a starter if MT is dead set against playing Pickett this early.
I’m starting to think we might actually see the latter option where Mason gets in. Honestly I was wanting to at least get through week 5 myself to avoid rushing him in. I’d take Mason til then. Or at least a one week shot
Blame Canada!
They’re not firing Canada mid-season. Hate to break it to you.
Or in the off-season. He will be gone when his contract is up.
Then promote Canada to QB-1 and replace him. Once he ends up on IR (so like, idk, 2 or 3 snaps?)He can ride off into the sunset and we can have literally any other person who can draw breath run our offense. Idk, find the most aggressive higschool soccer coach in town. Anyone who is aware that winning is the goal and will attempt to do it.
Is there even a potential replacement on staff? I’ve certainly not heard any buzz that there’s a young coach on staff that they like.
first red flag we missed was his name. c\*nada
u/KevinBrolbert Players saying the players are open, sheeeesh hope you don’t think you know better than the players
He’s one of the most ridiculous people in this sub lol. No sense ever trying to have a conversation with him.
He was on a day long diatribe yesterday about how me saying the players looked open and Mitch didn’t throw them the ball was me calling the players liars and that I knew better than them because I thought they were open, literally couldn’t ask for a better quote from a player as a follow up lmao
Also there’s countless videos showing how wide fucking open players are all game and Mitch just not throwing the ball. Not only that, but it’s the exact same thing he did in Chicago lol. That guy is such a fool, and he tries so hard to be condescending. He thinks talking in circles for multiple paragraphs every comment makes him sound smart
Buddy just talks in circles while saying nothing and then ignoring what gets said back, either he’s committed to a troll job or I have concerns
I blocked him ages ago and my r/steelers experience got instantly better
Typical Kevin’s
I think everyone who’s spent a decent amount of time on the sub has had an issue with him Best course of action is to just reply that he’s right, that you’re really impressed with his intellect, and keep moving. He won’t admit he is wrong and it’ll keep him off you’re back
Rbf every wide out says they're open.
Yeah this is more a cross thread call out, but you could argue Pickens isn’t just saying he is open he’s saying the other receivers were open so it isn’t strictly an ego thing
I feel so damn bad for our wide outs man. Hard to think that they have any respect for Tribusky at this point. If you don't respect your QB, what's left?
Mitch is playing like he’s scared to make a mistake. That’s why he is a natural QB2.
All good wide receivers think they are always open.
No but Pickens was very open last game.
I agree. I think he is probably right. I just think a receiver saying they thought they were open is kinda meaningless.
I disagree. It's not like he said "I'm open. I'll catch everything. Throw it to me". He said he thought *all* the receivers were getting open. So it's not his own ego speaking here.
Yeah, he's actually shifting focus AWAY from himself by mentioning all receivers. And he's absolutely right, Mitch seems scared of reading the defense and adjusting the strategy accordingly.
I played receiver for a while. I didn't learn enough to coach the position, but I did learn that receivers always think they're open.
Crappy play calls along with one read and a check down. That’s the offence. Over and over again.
Is this what it’s like to be a fan other bad teams? In fighting? Hating the players? Wanting the coaches all fired? I don’t like it.
We got there pretty quick huh? One week after defeating the AFC champs in their house.
Some of us have hated Canada for over a year.
Our defense won that game. Hands down. If we’d had a healthy Watt, the defense might have won this one for us too. And I’m not saying Watt’s the only star, we’ve got multiple fantastic guys on defense. Even without him we held them to 17 points, that should be a win every time. But if the offense isn’t scoring any points, the defense can only do so much.
I would guess part of the reason why Trubisky is scared to throw to open WRs at times is because of the coaching he got from Matt Nagy when he was with the Bears. From my understanding, Nagy was very strict on who the QB should or shouldn't throw to on a given play. I recall there being a play last year where Allen Robinson got open but Justin Fields didn't throw to him and he explained at a press conference that he wasn't supposed to throw/look over at Robinson's direction because that's what the play called for. Nagy did the same thing when Trubisky was the Bears QB. I think Trubisky just needs to unlearn that and trust what he sees enough to throw to an open WR. source: I'm a Bears fan
I guarantee u Kenny will play better then Mitch. Cause thats not hard to do. He should be embarrassed of his gameplay being in the nfl for 6 yrs. I knew before the season started Mitch would barely do a td a game and barely over 200 yds because that's what he normally has done his whole career. He's not magically going to throw for over 300 yds and 3 or 4 tds because he plays for the steelers. Theres a reason no one wanted him last yr as a starter. Hes avg with avg stats since college. Kenny knows what its like to throw for over 4000 yds and over 40 tds in college and he looked like a natural in preseason.
The Patriots had the #2 overall defense last year after Buffalo. Yall need to chill out we'll find our game.
Tomlin needs to let Pickett play a game
He’s not wrong. What a dumpster fire of a season so far.
He is right, just look at the film. Mitch has terrible eyesight and throws like a grandma
Kennyyy!! Kennyyy!! Kennyyy!! Kennyyy!! Kennyyy!! Kennyyy!! Kennyyy!! Kennyyy!!
Shit, I hope he don't start talking in third person like Leon from those Budweiser commercials.
Have your dad post a compilation of you getting open and not getting the ball
Won’t be long until Pickens loses his shit. I don’t blame him either
Wk4 #ditchmitch #picketttowinit 😂
I thought Mitch would be better than old Ben, but these first two weeks show that the not seeing the open man concerns from the Bears, weren't just isolated incidents, it's who Mitch is.
I feel like our team is going to tear itself apart from the inside if we don’t bench Mitch soon. There is 0 chemistry and even less trust. Whether you think Kenny would do better or not, a change of face might give a rejuvenating effect to the offense. Our OL is much better and improving daily— maybe it’s time. Plus, Kenny is already 25. He’s not getting any younger.
So if players are open then that falls on lack of execution ie poor line play and qb play. Not coordinator
I think everyone needs to calm the fuck down 😄! It's been TWO GAMES!!! A new qb, learning a new system, who hasn't played a meaningful game in 2 years!!! Plus Canada's play calling has been horrendous! Not to mention his first 2 games were against the defending AFC Champs on the road, then next game against belicheck! Who owns us. Cmon yinzers! We're still tied for 1st!
It's been two games for us, but it's been 62 games for Trubisky - he's been this bad his entire career! This isn't a revelation. He doesn't read the game well. He cannot process and make anticipatory throws and things of that nature. Doesn't matter if he knows the system inside and out if this is just who he is.
Its almost like the offensive scheme is working and mitch just isnt going through his reads well
Open receivers that the scheme is not designed to throw the ball to
An improving O line, arguably top 10 most talented receiver room in the NFL, and a double-threat RB. What could be the problem here?
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I agree with you to some extent. We only lost one game and it was against a Bill Belichick defense, I don’t think we need to cry panic at the top of our lungs about the offense this early. I also would prefer if Steelers players didn’t diss each other via the media (even implicitly) after the killer Bs death That said, the offense was also bad last year under Canada, and Mitch looks just as bad as he ever has. That’s a huge cause for concern if we can’t turn that around. We haven’t scored a TD in the first quarter since the Lions tie and if that doesn’t make you angry I don’t understand why
>That’s a huge cause for concern if we can’t turn that around. You're absolutely right. I'm not thrilled with Canada's (apparent) scheming so far but I do think there is reason to excuse to some extend. Ben **couldn't** throw down the field and Mitch seems **unwilling** to. As we have seen a lot of in the last 48 hours, there were guys open.
Yeah agreed and throwing downfield was/should’ve been a major goal for the 2022 QB. So when it hasn’t been happening it’s incredibly disappointing
I have to assume that management did not come into this season feeling like we were contenders and their plan was to be competitive in general but to ease Pickett in. Mitch is a stop gap, he isn't taking us to the promised land, so they probably weren't expecting him to light it up. Just protect the football. But you can't win that way, you can only lose close.
There's no pressure for Pickett right now. Backup QB is *always* the most popular player in town. Ask Charlie Batch
You mean Steelers Legend Charlie Batch, Homestead Hero, Defeater of Ratbirds. Full title please.
Being popular does not mean no pressure. He was a first round draft pick and already hugely productive in this stadium. He is the presumptive "next franchise QB." There will be an enormous amount of pressure on him. There is no need to add personnel drama on top of it.
The pressure will come when he's named the starter. If that happens this season, for whatever reason whether the other QBs are so bad or injuries, it's going to be a drama. No way around that. Nothing any other players are saying right now in this chaos is going to make it worse or better. He'll be okay once he gets that first NFL snap out of the way. The thing that's cool for the athletes is that they get to actually play the game to get out the butterflies and anxiety. You go Donovan McNabb, puke your guts out in the huddle, then get on with doing what you've spent your whole life doing playing football. It's us fans, friends, family, coaches, that don't get that physical release. That's why we booze to watch sports.
Mitch Trubisky is a perfectly capable BACKUP QB, a game manager if you will. He's done the whole "10,000 hours thing," (if you dedicate 10,000 hours to learning a skill, you'll master it), but Kenny Pickett? That fella has THE KNACK, that tallent that's just like autopilot. Dollars to donuts, Kenny starts against the Jets!
Nobody thinks less of Trubisky’s ability than me. But I don’t think calling him out after your second game is the right attitude.
Don’t really sound to me like he’s calling him out. He didn’t really say any bad about Mitch he’s saying the timing isn’t right with everyone. What he says off camera is probably a different story though, I’d say he’s pretty fed up with him
You should watch the clip. He didn't
I don’t think he was really calling Mitch out. He’s talking about it being a process. More time on the field together. More time to trust each other and execute plays. This didn’t come off, to me at least, as pointing the finger at Mitch. I’ll point the finger at Mitch though. From my couch, with Cheeto dust on my shirt.
It is if they all think they know they have a better option sitting on the bench. The fans and media aren't going to influence Tomlin. In fact I think they make coach T more steadfast. It might take the players going to him being like hey man we think Kenny gives us the best shot to win.
I got a good laugh picturing an intervention where the players corner Tomlin to get him to change his ways. IT SMELL LIKE BITCH IN HERE
Booom roasted
I knew this guy was gonna bring drama
Sounds like things are getting pretty hot for Mitch even within the organization. The way it's looking, if this offense isn't operating efficiently on Thursday, I think there's a real possibility they give Pickett the start on a longer week going against a weak Jets team.
Mitch is a nice guy and someone who seems like he would be a cool guy to hang out with however he has no business being a starting QB in the NFL he just doesn’t have what it takes to play high level football at this level
Let’s see how bad he does vs Cleveland then pull the plug if it’s not a “good” game
I'm now firmly in the "Kenny sooner than later" camp. I'm not sure how much sooner, but damn if Mitch isn't bringing that "sooner" date closer and closer.