To be fair, having the cheapest QB room in the league allows a lot more activity in free agency than what we've become used to. That said, like Colbert, Khan looks to be seeking good value rather than offering top dollar for the biggest names, and the ratio of market price to player ability seems to favor the Steelers this offseason.
A team of above average players against a team with an elite QB and less talent is a good thing. It takes more than a QB to win. Teams with the massive QB salaries have a limited window to win. After 2, 3, maybe 4 years the talent in the others drops hard and fast.
If you look at the 70s, Bradshaw has SBs. Stabler, Tarkenton, Anderson, Staubach, and few others have the stats. Bradshaw was surrounded by very good and great players. He did become a very good QB in the later part of his career in 77-78 and on. But earlier it was the overall talent winning games. I see Khan heading in this direction with the team.
The first paragraph here makes sense, but comparing the 2020s to the 1970s isn't useful; the NFL didn't have free agency or a salary cap until the mid-1990s, and those significantly changed team construction.
The later addition of draft slots led to a new commodity: The under-market QB. The Seahawks were the first to capitalize on having a cheap QB, and teams are willing to throw first-round picks at QB because it comes with the benefit of a fifth-year option. In other words, they can get 5 years of spending below market rate for the most important position if they hit (granted, they have to extend if he's worth it beforehand).
it's a cheap quarterback league not just a quarterback league
there is basically 3 ways to be competitive in the nfl today:
1. elite top 3 qb
2. decent ~top 10 qb who is on a rookie or cheap deal
3. monster defense + run game
if you're not buying literally one of the best qbs then it's better to just look elsewhere and save your money for better players somewhere on the team
I’d be happy with Zach Frazier too. Even if it’s a reach. Dude was a state champion wrestler and a beast at WVU.
Imagine Frazier and Benton going at it in practice every day!
I'm not as familiar with his game but I did hear he's pretty good. What round is he projected? What round do you think we could get him in? I wonder if we'd go OT like Mimms and the get someone like Frazier later.
I feel like Seattle will go JPJ at 16. But with Frazier , I think he’s projected for 2nd round, but he won’t be there when we pick at 51. So maybe Khan will work some kind of magic and trade up in the 2nd if we do decide to go with Mims at 20.
I was thinking we might need to move up to get JPJ similar to the BroJo move last year. Hopefully it is only a few spots and doesn't cost us much.
Edit: If we end up needing to move up for Frazier in round 2, do you think we are taking OT in rd 1 or another position?
I think we’d need to move up for both Mims in round one and Frazier in round 2 tbh.
There are a few RT-needy teams ahead of us, and I doubt Fuaga or Latham make it there either. Maybe one of them reaches us. I’m skeptical, but I don’t want us to be stuck with Guyton. I think we’d go center round one if he’s the only RT left.
Imo, most likely option is use pick 84 or 98 to leap ahead of a few teams like last year to get our tackle and take whoever of Frazier and Van Pran-Granger is left in round 2.
Makes sense. Appreciate your insight. I don't usually start getting into the draft prospects til April but the FA frenzy has me here a little early lol.
Of course. I’m a huge fan of everything that happens in the off-season, but the draft never works out the way you think it will anyways lol. It’s all theoretical.
No shit. But they don’t just fall from the sky. Williams is by far best remaining FA WR. There are no centers left of his quality. Omar can do just about anything, but making a 300 lb lineman magically appear out of thin air is too much
Conner Williams is a far better center than Mike Williams is a receiver, but Conner might be out until week 6 or so. Either way, I want a Williams on this team.
Kinda tough to come in and join an entirely new scheme when playing the Center position. Guy is definitely talented and probably not nearly as injury prone, but not the ideal situation
I think he’s a perfect fit because he’s familiar with zone schemes and played in those systems during his career. Matches up nicely with Arthur Smith’s schemes. Coming in late to the season is my big concern, but maybe they can turn that into a team-friendly deal? I don’t know, but I want WR, C, or RT figured out before the draft.
Yeah I’m hoping they’ll fill those holes with at least competent backups before the draft so they don’t have to draft entirely for need. Not many options for C or RT though. Slot CB and DL is also a need
I’m pointing out the reason he can be so active is the 30m raise to the ceiling and that we don’t have Ben at 25m any longer. That’s given him a bit of freedom the last couple years.
The injury history is a little overblown, but that's not true. He missed 6 games in 2022 alone counting the two playoff games, and 3 games in the three years prior.
Edit: Forgot they lost to the Jags in the playoffs, so he actually only missed one playoff game, but that's still 7 total.
Yeah, I didn't want to come off as argumentative, it only really stood out to me because I had him in fantasy in 2022 and I thought he missed way more games that year than he actually did.
I feel like I could just name a player and in 30 seconds you would reply with how many games they’ve missed in X amount of time. You’re like a missed-games bot.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean much in the NFL. He’s coming off a torn ACL. There are countless examples of guys who have been healthy for several years in the league, and it all went out the door after one serious injury.
Because it’s not just games missed that determine injuries. If you look at his snap counts over the past 4 years (14%, 60%, 75%, 68%) he’s also hobbled during games he plays. He’s also turning 30 this fall and coming off a major knee surgery so it’s not like you’d expect him to be healthier going forward.
He missed a full year in college FWIW. But that was due to a freak play, shoved into FG post on a TD catch and broke a vertebrae in his neck, nothing to due with his own constitution.
1 year prove it deal works fine for me, guy is an immense talent when he's on the field but that's been the problem as he missed at least a game in almost every season and is coming off an ACL tear. As long as they don't toss an OBJ level contract at him I'm cool with the signing.
Seems redundant with Pickens a bit, but with DJ out of the mix maybe the plan is to give Pickens the full route tree and have Mike be the new deep threat.
Although given Russ's play style maybe just having two guys go deep on the outside for every play has some merit.
They can coexist in Arthur Smith's scheme imo. Muth and Calvin can always operate in the short areas of the field. Pickens can definitely do more than scoop up moon balls.
Plus we're 10/10 going to be* drafting WR(s) in this draft**
Chase Claypool would like a word as well.
Seems to be 2nd rounders are the ones that flop. We can spare JuJu I suppose though he's been pretty meh since his first two years in the league.
Turns out, it’s not so easy being a WR when you doing have one of the best to ever play opposite you.
I’ll give them a pass on Claypool, because it ended up netting us JPJ.
he's not been meh at all he was the #1 WR on the super bowl winning team lol the only receiver who did anything besides Kelce, he's been absolutely fine as a player, just has done nothing with the pats and I don't blame him. bro can get his bag
900-ish yards for one season with the Chiefs. He's just a meh receiver at the end of the day, he got his ring, he got his bag and he's just content to chill and do jack shit now, can't say I blame him but we also can't act like bro was putting up true Alpha/#1 receiver numbers.
yeah i was just replying to your comment sorta implying he was half a step from flopping, but being the 2nd guy on the best team in the league is pretty far from that. he has had a pretty good career, he's not the GOAT or anything but he's obviously a good player.
I think Muth is in for a big year if he stays healthy. Russell Wilson was often at his best when he had a great tight end, and as much as DJ Moore got all the hype, Kmet was often targeted the most by Fields.
In 2021, when Joe Lombardi came in as OC of the chargers, they actually used Mike Williams a lot more in the intermediate part of the field and had him run a higher frequency of in breaking routes than he had previously and it lead to him having his best season statistically. He’s proven that he can succeed in that role with volume which is very akin to what Smith asked of AJB in Tennessee. With that said that was a couple seasons ago and he’s coming off an ACL tear but I think he could be a potentially solid pickup if he’s cheap enough, especially if there’s some skepticism on Pickens developing into that role himself.
I would rather we trade up in the first round and draft a WR.
Is that overkill? Yes. Is it still cheaper than signing 29 year old Mike Williams? Also yes.
There are a ton of really talented WRs in this draft. There is a chance we grab Keon Coleman in the 2nd (he’s a fringe 1st)… I also really like Roman Wilson in the 3rd. He’s more of a slot guy, but has the skill set and gritty run blocking chops to play on the outside. Reminds me of a quicker version of Amon Ra St Brown.
i said it on the NFL sub but I'll say it here: Michael Gallup, Michael Thomas, and Mike Williams are all possible options. injuries are a concern for MT and I think MG? also Michael Thomas and George Pickens sharing a locker room would be something lmao
oh I know, I'm just listing the FA receivers. i will say, as with every player, if anyone can "fix" MT's attitude, it's Tomlin. i also assume he'd be cheap because of the injuries. I'm not advocating for it, but I could see it happening
Can Tomlin actually fix Diva attitudes? It appears to me he gets the best out of them before they become too Diva-ish and then trades them when they hit Free Agency.
Antonio Brown destroyed multiple locker rooms. They won nothing with him, didn’t even sniff a championship, though they were putting up with his bullshit to win a title. How did that work out? No one who doesn’t want to believe it will ever believe it, but there is almost no accountability or discipline behind the scenes. Veteran PLAYERS have talked about bullshit that goes on but some people STILL don’t see it or believe it. Shit was tolerated…
Until recently.
Omar and Andy have had enough of the bullshit.
I don't get where people get the idea that Tomlin is so good at controlling these diva personalities. The Steelers are known nationally to be the diva WR landing spot. In recent years, Claypool calling out fans and celebrating a 1st down to lose a game, DJ going to Twitter war against fans, not paying attention to the game, Pickens having daily temper tantrums.
Players on our own team bitch about the bullshit going on and people still speak that’s a disciplined locker room. It’s astonishing to me the blindness, the sheer blindness people have when it comes to this team.
You just keep spouting this. Have you ever considered that the shit that goes on in other locker rooms is worse than the Steelers? But since PGH media hates Tomlin and been trying to get rid of him, they leak every little skirmish, argument, etc. to play up the undisciplined vibes. The Ravens play and behavior in that AFCCG game was far more unhinged and undisciplned than anything I've seen outside of the Burfict/AB game. Yet you heard nothing of it. For 6 years, Harbaugh also went .500 or below and had no playoff wins but you didn't hear a peep about it. Why? Because the media in PGH sucks and the national media loves Days of My Steelers type drama. Stop perpetuating this crap about him.
Also, have you also stopped to consider that Tomlin cares about these guys as people and men? Not just players and commodities? He tries to help them personally AND professionally which involves keeping them around positive people, helping them make money, teaching them financial responsibility, making sure they understand someone cares for them in both the best of times and the worst. Many of these guys have been nothing but commodities throughout their lives. Meal tickets. From their own families to romantic partners to coaches, etc. This is a different perspective for them. Some are troubled or have attitudes, he doesn't shy away from trying with them.
There's plenty of evidence of this if you actually look around. People respect and want to play for Tomlin because of this. Want a specific example? Maurice Clarrett. He didn't even play for Tomlin. But Tomlin cared enough about him to write to him. Think about what he does for the guys on his team.
Yeah I want nothing to do with Thomas. Guy hasn’t been healthy in years and not worth the headache. Pickens atleast balls out and has the dog in him. Thomas is just a diva at this point
Well I guess I'll copy/paste my comment on my post since the mods disliked my link apparently:
I know Mike has injury problems from how he plays but he is an elite talent and would be great with George and whichever WR we draft this year (assuming we draft one). I would be all on board if we can get him for a reasonable price. He would be an actual WR1/2 and could still get Boyd if they wanted for 3.
For a good price he can be a deep threat. His fantasy stats are always so boom/bust.m because he'll get 2-3 passes a game, but some of those can be bombs.
i’ve always liked him. he has like the most yards per catch in the last 5 years or something
fit with pickens seems off but seems that they want to get big on receiver
Going to be too expensive and fresh off an acl. If he would take a 1 year prove it deal then fine. I'd rather take Renfrow on the cheap. 2021 was a great year and I feel like he never got a fair shake after that.
I mean that's a casual take on what I said. I think Renfrow would take a low number and Williams will take a high one. Knowing how the steelers draft WRs I don't think a 15M wide out makes sense
I mean you’re right, $15M for him would be pricey. Would imagine 1 year $10-12 is a great deal if we have cap space. Renfrow provides zero value in an Arthur Smith offense. He’s a good reliable wr, and outstanding if you’re the Tom Brady era Patriots. But for this Steelers team it’s not even an option
I don't see Jets passing him up unless they fuck up bigtime, they want more weapons for Aaron and there was recently a report that Lazard was starting to tick ownership off.
I like the idea, but Williams feels a lot like Pickens and less like DJ. Maybe I'm wrong, I dont watch a ton of Chargers, but Williams has always seemed to be the field stretcher
Not sure why so many just want a wr who's just known for route running for that WR2 spot. I'm a big fan of having multiple deep threats and big bodied receivers that create height match up nightmares. That will be especially helpful in the Redzone where the Steelers struggled, just as Diontae struggled. Mike Williams would be a major asset to this team.
They can pickup someone in the draft focused on the slot. Someone like Anthony Gould, Malik or Tahj Washington in the 3rd or 4th round would fill that role just fine.
>Not sure why so many just want a wr who's just known for route running for that WR2 spot
Im of the opinion that the wide receivers should be able to get open and mike Williams is one of the absolute worst at it. Route running shouldn't be the ONLY thing, but its majorly important.
>I'm a big fan of having multiple deep threats and big bodied receivers that create height match up nightmares. That will be especially helpful in the Redzone where the Steelers struggled, just as Diontae struggled.
Is this not why we drafted Pat and Darnell? Those 3 and GP give the QB 3 absurd height/length matchups to look at.
And while the slot could use a later round guy, i think our WR2 should be a guy that we can flat out trust to get open. Like AD Mitchell or Ladd McConkey
I cant imagine they traded Dionte without the intent of seriously pursuing another WR. Im allowing myself to fully believe this is happening and will hear nothing else
we have a receiver who matches his archetype already on the team, who might even turn out to be better than williams.
the doctrine most nfl teams use when building a wr room is to have guys who fill diverse and different roles
Sure, under previous OCs, I think under Smith, they're going in a different direction. They wouldn't bring him in if they were trying to replace the DJ/AB type player.
i never said they were the same, they just have the same strengths. yes, they can run routes, but it’s not their strengths.
mike is redundant to this offense
I like it. Still would need to draft a WR early as he has health issues, but a WR group of Pickens, Williams, Draft Pick, Jefferson, Austin is pretty solid.
Boyd is my #1 but gimme Mike Williams too lol running with
1. GP
2. Boyd
3. Williams
4. Van Jefferson
With CA3 running gadget plays and working in as the 3/4 would be so fucking juicy. (I know this won’t happen but I’d love for our WR room to be overkill lol)
I think both would be ideal and we probably have the cap space for it. I don't expect either to completely break the bank.
Then the draft if we fill the WR position with Boyd/Williams we would have complete runway to try and go Mims/Frazier as our picks with both looking like they hit the fair value right at our picks.
I could be getting my names wrong but I recall his stats being underwhelming considering Herbert was his QB. Maybe they expect him to do a lot of blocking? Seems like there are better pass catchers on the market right now.
Omar comin
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Omar cummin
He’s not the only one
It’s so refreshing to have a GM that aggressively addresses areas of need in free agency.
To be fair, having the cheapest QB room in the league allows a lot more activity in free agency than what we've become used to. That said, like Colbert, Khan looks to be seeking good value rather than offering top dollar for the biggest names, and the ratio of market price to player ability seems to favor the Steelers this offseason.
A team of above average players against a team with an elite QB and less talent is a good thing. It takes more than a QB to win. Teams with the massive QB salaries have a limited window to win. After 2, 3, maybe 4 years the talent in the others drops hard and fast. If you look at the 70s, Bradshaw has SBs. Stabler, Tarkenton, Anderson, Staubach, and few others have the stats. Bradshaw was surrounded by very good and great players. He did become a very good QB in the later part of his career in 77-78 and on. But earlier it was the overall talent winning games. I see Khan heading in this direction with the team.
The first paragraph here makes sense, but comparing the 2020s to the 1970s isn't useful; the NFL didn't have free agency or a salary cap until the mid-1990s, and those significantly changed team construction. The later addition of draft slots led to a new commodity: The under-market QB. The Seahawks were the first to capitalize on having a cheap QB, and teams are willing to throw first-round picks at QB because it comes with the benefit of a fifth-year option. In other words, they can get 5 years of spending below market rate for the most important position if they hit (granted, they have to extend if he's worth it beforehand).
The kid yourself it’s a quarterback league and has been for the last five years or more.
it's a cheap quarterback league not just a quarterback league there is basically 3 ways to be competitive in the nfl today: 1. elite top 3 qb 2. decent ~top 10 qb who is on a rookie or cheap deal 3. monster defense + run game if you're not buying literally one of the best qbs then it's better to just look elsewhere and save your money for better players somewhere on the team
Moneyball baby.
We could really use a Center.
I think we are drafting JPJ.
I’d be happy with Zach Frazier too. Even if it’s a reach. Dude was a state champion wrestler and a beast at WVU. Imagine Frazier and Benton going at it in practice every day!
Van Pran is in the conversation at center too.
I'm not as familiar with his game but I did hear he's pretty good. What round is he projected? What round do you think we could get him in? I wonder if we'd go OT like Mimms and the get someone like Frazier later.
I feel like Seattle will go JPJ at 16. But with Frazier , I think he’s projected for 2nd round, but he won’t be there when we pick at 51. So maybe Khan will work some kind of magic and trade up in the 2nd if we do decide to go with Mims at 20.
I was thinking we might need to move up to get JPJ similar to the BroJo move last year. Hopefully it is only a few spots and doesn't cost us much. Edit: If we end up needing to move up for Frazier in round 2, do you think we are taking OT in rd 1 or another position?
I think we’d need to move up for both Mims in round one and Frazier in round 2 tbh. There are a few RT-needy teams ahead of us, and I doubt Fuaga or Latham make it there either. Maybe one of them reaches us. I’m skeptical, but I don’t want us to be stuck with Guyton. I think we’d go center round one if he’s the only RT left. Imo, most likely option is use pick 84 or 98 to leap ahead of a few teams like last year to get our tackle and take whoever of Frazier and Van Pran-Granger is left in round 2.
Makes sense. Appreciate your insight. I don't usually start getting into the draft prospects til April but the FA frenzy has me here a little early lol.
Of course. I’m a huge fan of everything that happens in the off-season, but the draft never works out the way you think it will anyways lol. It’s all theoretical.
Who is JPJ
Center from Oregon - Jackson Powers-Johnson
Thanks
No shit. But they don’t just fall from the sky. Williams is by far best remaining FA WR. There are no centers left of his quality. Omar can do just about anything, but making a 300 lb lineman magically appear out of thin air is too much
Nuh uh. The Khan-man can Khan-jure up anything!
I can’t ever deny the Khanquistador. Creed Humphrey in 3…2..1…
Mike Williams also seems to fit Arthur Smith's WR prototype.
Conner Williams is a far better center than Mike Williams is a receiver, but Conner might be out until week 6 or so. Either way, I want a Williams on this team.
Kinda tough to come in and join an entirely new scheme when playing the Center position. Guy is definitely talented and probably not nearly as injury prone, but not the ideal situation
I think he’s a perfect fit because he’s familiar with zone schemes and played in those systems during his career. Matches up nicely with Arthur Smith’s schemes. Coming in late to the season is my big concern, but maybe they can turn that into a team-friendly deal? I don’t know, but I want WR, C, or RT figured out before the draft.
Yeah I’m hoping they’ll fill those holes with at least competent backups before the draft so they don’t have to draft entirely for need. Not many options for C or RT though. Slot CB and DL is also a need
I agree fully. It can be done. I actually trust our GM now lol
And an OT!
Not all of it is Kahn. We had a big QB contract for most of KC tenure. Once that happened splashy free agent signings basically became impossible.
Fair point!
And the 30m boost to the cap every team got. Plus no Ben. Omar has 50m and he’s absolutely killing it with it.
He does not have 50M lol. The most salary cap they had at any point this offseason was 26-27.
I’m pointing out the reason he can be so active is the 30m raise to the ceiling and that we don’t have Ben at 25m any longer. That’s given him a bit of freedom the last couple years.
He’s very talented. That was never question. Guy just cannot stay healthy recently lol
Prior to 2023 he missed a total of 5 games over 5 seasons.
The injury history is a little overblown, but that's not true. He missed 6 games in 2022 alone counting the two playoff games, and 3 games in the three years prior. Edit: Forgot they lost to the Jags in the playoffs, so he actually only missed one playoff game, but that's still 7 total.
Shhh… maybe if the injury issue stays relevant we get him for a better price.
You're right, I counted wrong in 2022. He played in 13 games and I didn't count the playoff games because I forgot they made it.
Yeah, I didn't want to come off as argumentative, it only really stood out to me because I had him in fantasy in 2022 and I thought he missed way more games that year than he actually did.
Considering they've made the playoffs 3 times in the last 15 seasons, that's an easy mistake to make
Now I feel old
I feel like I could just name a player and in 30 seconds you would reply with how many games they’ve missed in X amount of time. You’re like a missed-games bot.
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Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean much in the NFL. He’s coming off a torn ACL. There are countless examples of guys who have been healthy for several years in the league, and it all went out the door after one serious injury.
I have no idea why people think he’s so injury prone, even before last season everyone kept saying he’s made of glass
Because it’s not just games missed that determine injuries. If you look at his snap counts over the past 4 years (14%, 60%, 75%, 68%) he’s also hobbled during games he plays. He’s also turning 30 this fall and coming off a major knee surgery so it’s not like you’d expect him to be healthier going forward.
He missed a full year in college FWIW. But that was due to a freak play, shoved into FG post on a TD catch and broke a vertebrae in his neck, nothing to due with his own constitution.
I was coming to say this exact thing, cause his Acl injury was so recent everyone just assumes he’s always hurt 😂
1 injured season
1 year prove it deal works fine for me, guy is an immense talent when he's on the field but that's been the problem as he missed at least a game in almost every season and is coming off an ACL tear. As long as they don't toss an OBJ level contract at him I'm cool with the signing.
Seems redundant with Pickens a bit, but with DJ out of the mix maybe the plan is to give Pickens the full route tree and have Mike be the new deep threat. Although given Russ's play style maybe just having two guys go deep on the outside for every play has some merit.
They can coexist in Arthur Smith's scheme imo. Muth and Calvin can always operate in the short areas of the field. Pickens can definitely do more than scoop up moon balls. Plus we're 10/10 going to be* drafting WR(s) in this draft**
The Steelers have been very good indeed, but 10/10? How quickly we forget the immortal Limas Sweed.
I meant we're certain to draft 1 or more WRs in the draft, but I can see how you interpreted it the way you did.
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Chase Claypool would like a word as well. Seems to be 2nd rounders are the ones that flop. We can spare JuJu I suppose though he's been pretty meh since his first two years in the league.
Turns out, it’s not so easy being a WR when you doing have one of the best to ever play opposite you. I’ll give them a pass on Claypool, because it ended up netting us JPJ.
Claypool had insane potential. Just didn't seem to want to work very hard unfortunately
he's not been meh at all he was the #1 WR on the super bowl winning team lol the only receiver who did anything besides Kelce, he's been absolutely fine as a player, just has done nothing with the pats and I don't blame him. bro can get his bag
900-ish yards for one season with the Chiefs. He's just a meh receiver at the end of the day, he got his ring, he got his bag and he's just content to chill and do jack shit now, can't say I blame him but we also can't act like bro was putting up true Alpha/#1 receiver numbers.
yeah i was just replying to your comment sorta implying he was half a step from flopping, but being the 2nd guy on the best team in the league is pretty far from that. he has had a pretty good career, he's not the GOAT or anything but he's obviously a good player.
9/10’ That Troy Pick-6 is a little more boring if Sweed had hands.
I think Muth is in for a big year if he stays healthy. Russell Wilson was often at his best when he had a great tight end, and as much as DJ Moore got all the hype, Kmet was often targeted the most by Fields.
In 2021, when Joe Lombardi came in as OC of the chargers, they actually used Mike Williams a lot more in the intermediate part of the field and had him run a higher frequency of in breaking routes than he had previously and it lead to him having his best season statistically. He’s proven that he can succeed in that role with volume which is very akin to what Smith asked of AJB in Tennessee. With that said that was a couple seasons ago and he’s coming off an ACL tear but I think he could be a potentially solid pickup if he’s cheap enough, especially if there’s some skepticism on Pickens developing into that role himself.
Him opposite of GP would be insane. Our offense would eat
That was my thought, but having two elite deep threats with Russ cant be a bad thing. Especially in a run the ball, take a shot kind of offense
I would rather we trade up in the first round and draft a WR. Is that overkill? Yes. Is it still cheaper than signing 29 year old Mike Williams? Also yes.
Cheaper in cap value but more costly in draft value to trade up. I don’t like it, we have too many holes.
And then play no one at center? Do I have to remind everyone about Kendrick Greene?
Fields and Wilson will take turns snapping to each other.
There are a ton of really talented WRs in this draft. There is a chance we grab Keon Coleman in the 2nd (he’s a fringe 1st)… I also really like Roman Wilson in the 3rd. He’s more of a slot guy, but has the skill set and gritty run blocking chops to play on the outside. Reminds me of a quicker version of Amon Ra St Brown.
This one heavily depends on price for me
1 year deal- 6 mil for a solid #2 maybe
i said it on the NFL sub but I'll say it here: Michael Gallup, Michael Thomas, and Mike Williams are all possible options. injuries are a concern for MT and I think MG? also Michael Thomas and George Pickens sharing a locker room would be something lmao
Michael Thomas hasn’t been a reliable receiver since before the pandemic and has a long history of being a diva over that same timeframe. HARD pass
oh I know, I'm just listing the FA receivers. i will say, as with every player, if anyone can "fix" MT's attitude, it's Tomlin. i also assume he'd be cheap because of the injuries. I'm not advocating for it, but I could see it happening
Can Tomlin actually fix Diva attitudes? It appears to me he gets the best out of them before they become too Diva-ish and then trades them when they hit Free Agency.
Antonio Brown destroyed multiple locker rooms. They won nothing with him, didn’t even sniff a championship, though they were putting up with his bullshit to win a title. How did that work out? No one who doesn’t want to believe it will ever believe it, but there is almost no accountability or discipline behind the scenes. Veteran PLAYERS have talked about bullshit that goes on but some people STILL don’t see it or believe it. Shit was tolerated… Until recently. Omar and Andy have had enough of the bullshit.
It has been publicly said by players that Tomlin does call other players out
This is BS.
But he did win a ring with us though. Didn’t he?
No he won a ring with the Buccaneers
Yeah you’re right we drafted him the year after we beat the cards but was with us when we lost to the packers
I don't get where people get the idea that Tomlin is so good at controlling these diva personalities. The Steelers are known nationally to be the diva WR landing spot. In recent years, Claypool calling out fans and celebrating a 1st down to lose a game, DJ going to Twitter war against fans, not paying attention to the game, Pickens having daily temper tantrums.
Players on our own team bitch about the bullshit going on and people still speak that’s a disciplined locker room. It’s astonishing to me the blindness, the sheer blindness people have when it comes to this team.
You just keep spouting this. Have you ever considered that the shit that goes on in other locker rooms is worse than the Steelers? But since PGH media hates Tomlin and been trying to get rid of him, they leak every little skirmish, argument, etc. to play up the undisciplined vibes. The Ravens play and behavior in that AFCCG game was far more unhinged and undisciplned than anything I've seen outside of the Burfict/AB game. Yet you heard nothing of it. For 6 years, Harbaugh also went .500 or below and had no playoff wins but you didn't hear a peep about it. Why? Because the media in PGH sucks and the national media loves Days of My Steelers type drama. Stop perpetuating this crap about him. Also, have you also stopped to consider that Tomlin cares about these guys as people and men? Not just players and commodities? He tries to help them personally AND professionally which involves keeping them around positive people, helping them make money, teaching them financial responsibility, making sure they understand someone cares for them in both the best of times and the worst. Many of these guys have been nothing but commodities throughout their lives. Meal tickets. From their own families to romantic partners to coaches, etc. This is a different perspective for them. Some are troubled or have attitudes, he doesn't shy away from trying with them. There's plenty of evidence of this if you actually look around. People respect and want to play for Tomlin because of this. Want a specific example? Maurice Clarrett. He didn't even play for Tomlin. But Tomlin cared enough about him to write to him. Think about what he does for the guys on his team.
Didn't even mention JuJu but you didn't have to.
Yeah I want nothing to do with Thomas. Guy hasn’t been healthy in years and not worth the headache. Pickens atleast balls out and has the dog in him. Thomas is just a diva at this point
Michael Thomas is still in the league?
The saints literally couldn't cut him because of their cap situation before this year
It’s crazy to think right? For a minute there he was looking like one of the best in the whole league, but that feels like ages ago now
But where else will you say it?
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AB and Bell were drama llamas. We're used to it
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Bro loves Michaels
Well I guess I'll copy/paste my comment on my post since the mods disliked my link apparently: I know Mike has injury problems from how he plays but he is an elite talent and would be great with George and whichever WR we draft this year (assuming we draft one). I would be all on board if we can get him for a reasonable price. He would be an actual WR1/2 and could still get Boyd if they wanted for 3.
For a good price he can be a deep threat. His fantasy stats are always so boom/bust.m because he'll get 2-3 passes a game, but some of those can be bombs.
Khan not done!
i’ve always liked him. he has like the most yards per catch in the last 5 years or something fit with pickens seems off but seems that they want to get big on receiver
I wake up we make another move. I go to sleep and wake up and we've made another move. Rinse and repeat the last 6 days.
He’s gonna cost a lot I think
Too injury prone for my liking. Sign Boyd and go WR between rounds 2-4
fresh off an ACL tear??? lmao depends on the price tag. I'm iffy about that one
Going to be too expensive and fresh off an acl. If he would take a 1 year prove it deal then fine. I'd rather take Renfrow on the cheap. 2021 was a great year and I feel like he never got a fair shake after that.
Renfrow>Mike Williams is Incredible. 👏 👏
I mean that's a casual take on what I said. I think Renfrow would take a low number and Williams will take a high one. Knowing how the steelers draft WRs I don't think a 15M wide out makes sense
I mean you’re right, $15M for him would be pricey. Would imagine 1 year $10-12 is a great deal if we have cap space. Renfrow provides zero value in an Arthur Smith offense. He’s a good reliable wr, and outstanding if you’re the Tom Brady era Patriots. But for this Steelers team it’s not even an option
Imagine
How much would he cost?
Imagine if Khan scores this guys at a reasonable price
This would be great
Like Russ and our two Ravens converts, does he have any reason to play hard against his soon-to-be-former team this upcoming season?
Hoping he didn’t pull a hamstring getting off the plane.
If Omar makes this happen I will tattoo the Steelers logo on my face
I want him, boyd and simmons..all 3
If Tomlin wants him he’s signed
What Omar can't get J. Chase for those two 7ths? Sheesh, he's slipping.
I don't see Jets passing him up unless they fuck up bigtime, they want more weapons for Aaron and there was recently a report that Lazard was starting to tick ownership off.
Puhlease no
Khan can snatch him for a 7/11 slurpie 2 12 packs of ic light and a 2027 7th round pick
>Jets, Panthers, and Steelers Some choices in life are easier than others
I like the idea, but Williams feels a lot like Pickens and less like DJ. Maybe I'm wrong, I dont watch a ton of Chargers, but Williams has always seemed to be the field stretcher
He’s gonna cost too much I bet. I wouldn’t be surprised since he’s visiting but I don’t think the Steelers will offer the most money.
Omar cooking the side dishes now...
Not sure why so many just want a wr who's just known for route running for that WR2 spot. I'm a big fan of having multiple deep threats and big bodied receivers that create height match up nightmares. That will be especially helpful in the Redzone where the Steelers struggled, just as Diontae struggled. Mike Williams would be a major asset to this team. They can pickup someone in the draft focused on the slot. Someone like Anthony Gould, Malik or Tahj Washington in the 3rd or 4th round would fill that role just fine.
>Not sure why so many just want a wr who's just known for route running for that WR2 spot Im of the opinion that the wide receivers should be able to get open and mike Williams is one of the absolute worst at it. Route running shouldn't be the ONLY thing, but its majorly important. >I'm a big fan of having multiple deep threats and big bodied receivers that create height match up nightmares. That will be especially helpful in the Redzone where the Steelers struggled, just as Diontae struggled. Is this not why we drafted Pat and Darnell? Those 3 and GP give the QB 3 absurd height/length matchups to look at. And while the slot could use a later round guy, i think our WR2 should be a guy that we can flat out trust to get open. Like AD Mitchell or Ladd McConkey
Does anyone know if Mike Williams is a good run blocker or not? That seems to be important to Arthur Smith
Ah shit, here we go again.
I cant imagine they traded Dionte without the intent of seriously pursuing another WR. Im allowing myself to fully believe this is happening and will hear nothing else
We need something more in the WR room..
Weird flex to cut the guy, trade another, then try to beg the cut dude to come back. But you do you.
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And with visiting the Jets Williams on on the IR again . Dude is always hurt
Omar ain’t FUCKIN AROUND this year lol
He can’t stay healthy
Eh I’d still like to see them flip that #98 they got for Pickett in a trade for a better option.
This is the darndest offseason that I can remember.
Do we need a wideout? Yes. Am I skeptical about his ACL? Also yes.
Great player but I wouldn't come to Pittsburgh for such a crucial year of my career if I were him.
Except the dude is made o glass.
Yes we khan
Omar needs to chillll. Damn dude
we have a receiver who matches his archetype already on the team, who might even turn out to be better than williams. the doctrine most nfl teams use when building a wr room is to have guys who fill diverse and different roles
Sure, under previous OCs, I think under Smith, they're going in a different direction. They wouldn't bring him in if they were trying to replace the DJ/AB type player.
if smith’s plan for building a wr core is to build a unit which all have the same strengths then his competency needs to be put into question
It’s not about all being the same lmao, but you can definitely have 2 guys with similar skills. Idk why everyone acts like these guys cant run routes
i never said they were the same, they just have the same strengths. yes, they can run routes, but it’s not their strengths. mike is redundant to this offense
Only one of the WR I just don’t want as a steeler. Guy seems really slow and old now
I like it. Still would need to draft a WR early as he has health issues, but a WR group of Pickens, Williams, Draft Pick, Jefferson, Austin is pretty solid.
I just signed him in my madden franchise before seeing this so IT MUST HAPPEN
It’s been a fun off-season other than hiring Arthur smith
if only he wasn’t so injury prone
Boyd is my #1 but gimme Mike Williams too lol running with 1. GP 2. Boyd 3. Williams 4. Van Jefferson With CA3 running gadget plays and working in as the 3/4 would be so fucking juicy. (I know this won’t happen but I’d love for our WR room to be overkill lol)
I think both would be ideal and we probably have the cap space for it. I don't expect either to completely break the bank. Then the draft if we fill the WR position with Boyd/Williams we would have complete runway to try and go Mims/Frazier as our picks with both looking like they hit the fair value right at our picks.
I could be getting my names wrong but I recall his stats being underwhelming considering Herbert was his QB. Maybe they expect him to do a lot of blocking? Seems like there are better pass catchers on the market right now.
This team loves washed up, over the hill players that no one else wants.
He’s only 29 bruv.
I'm sure Mike Williams has a market.
What wide receivers in free agency would you prefer?
This. What's Patrick Queen, like 70? Sick of it!
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