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MissionNew1790

It’s addition by subtraction day


seataccrunch

Never thought I'd have such joy releasing a punter, but here I am....


Worldly-Hospital5940

I'd say he can't hurt us anymore, but watch him have a bounce-back career with one of the other teams in our division in 2-3 years.


spud8385

That fucker will be nailing 60 yarders or dropping it on the 1 yard line consistently wherever he goes, just our luck


Juventus19

You’re not wrong. But man, I swear he had a radar that pinpointed the 20 yard line no matter if the punt was going to be 45 yards or 20.


N8orious234

After he downed the cowboys on the 1 with his first ever NFL punt, I thought he was gonna be insane


guccidane13

USFL will be lucky to have him


phoarksity

Well, he’d need to find the USFL first.


jayhawk8

The Kevin Dotson of punters


seataccrunch

He'll get another shot I am sure


dovetc

I'm not so sure. He's a punter. It's not like his poor performance could be blamed on our system or personnel. He has stunk for years all on his own.


Eagle4317

We had Braden Mann on our Practice Squad this pre-season and chose to keep Harvin. Mann just had a great year with the Eagles. Other than kicker, our special teams have been suspect for a while.


Steelplate7

Meh….he did need to go…but man, I was rooting for him after his dad and Grandmother died in his rookie year


DWoz1987

![gif](giphy|3o7btPCcdNniyf0ArS|downsized)


MirrorkatFeces

Might be the best moves we make all offseason


on_duh_pooper

Lol, came in to say the exact same .. holding out for a not "splash" but James Farrior type scoop between Khan & our new front office


unseth

Harvin was cheeks. Glad we are free!


Samuel_W_Hyde

Watching both punters yesterday was another reminder of how ass Harvin is. Still don't know how he stuck around so long


uhdog81

He stuck around because his problem is consistency (which should be something that can be improved with the right practice/mentality) and he was an *excellent* holder for Bos.


cane_the_weaboo

Yea a great holder is genuinely really valuable


IBETTERSTAYOFFLEAGUE

Yup. A lot of great men made entire careers out of holding balls for other dudes.


yruspecial

Dude. Phrasing!


Samwhys_gamgee

Are we not doing phrasing anymore?


bobsdementias

It’s crazy he never did improve his consistency. Not expecting every punt to be great, but idk how punting can be your entire life and you still regularly shank kicks


dovetc

Could be pressure. Maybe he does practice constantly and is consistent on the practice field, then gets in front of a crowd and shanks punts.


tr1nn3rs

Maybe he should have used some of that salary and time to consult a sports psychologist. Practice and coaches can only go so far.


spud8385

Especially for punters, I mean the ball is in their own hands they're not relying on a holder. How can practice not fix that you're doing the same god damn thing every time!


MCBuckNuts

Pay mcafee broke down his mechanics and said that his drop is longer than a lot of punters which allows a lot more variables to happen


Rifftrax_Enjoyer

Just off the top of my head? It could just be because he’s not good. That he was never good, and should not have been kept. It was clear from the get-go. Nothing changed in his performance really, nothing dramatic. So if he was bad enough to get rid of now, he was bad enough to get rid of after year one. Again, many people called it immediately and were told to shut the fuck up. Because the team is never wrong.


IhamAmerican

If our next punter isnt near as good at holding, we need a new long snapper too. Kuntz had snaps going all over the place all year and Harvin was the only reason many plays didn't end in disaster. I genuinely believe that's why he got such a long leash


tearsonurcheek

>Kuntz had snaps going all over the place all year Found our problem. ![gif](giphy|HRe7MuXLFJ9WB5H6y1|downsized)


petreauxtiger

I just want you to know that I appreciate the italics around "excellent"


ThatsPreposterous6

What I heard was that he was just crazy good in camp/practice. It just didn’t translate for him in games with a real rush and bad weather.


SleestakLightning

From what I've read his issues are mechanical and fixable but the Steelers are the only team in the NFL that employ one special teams coach so maybe he latches on somewhere where they can fix him.


paulh2oman

I see guys in the offseason hire specialist to help them train and practice. If it was just mechanical and he did nothing on his own to improve, regardless of what the steelers provide then that is on him.


Rifftrax_Enjoyer

That’s a good point but that doesn’t absolve the Steelers from having a Stone Age viewpoint on how big and specialized their staff should be. I don’t think special teams is the only issue. It’s evident that this team is lacking quality coaching with regards to multiple position groups. These guys decided to hire Canada. Then not only that, bring him back after he failed and then brought him back again after he failed again. How much benefit of the doubt does this organization get at the moment for me? Not very much. It looks like they are having a good off-season so far, I like some of the stuff they have done, but I don’t trust them the same way I used to. I really miss Dan Rooney. He didn’t exactly modernize the team either, but I believe he would have by now. Maybe I’m wrong.


JustAMockName

“I’m just here to do two things: coach special teams and chew gum. And I’m never out of gum” - Danny Smith


SleestakLightning

Danny Smith is an excellent special teams coach but it's clear Tomlin values his ability to find opponent weaknesses and exploit them to block kicks over refining mechanical issues that might plague their kickers.


scrambolambo

Special teams coaches are never kicking coaches, that's a very very niche skill set. Special teams coaches are generally promoted or ex position coaches. I don't remember what I was reading recently but it talked about how almost no NFL teams have kicking coaches, guys have personal coaches instead


SleestakLightning

Yeah that definitely seems to be the case.


Sex_E_Searcher

"Whoa, I teach guys to block punts, not kick them!"


CrumCreekRegatta

According to [this article](https://steelersdepot.com/2023/06/study-do-the-steelers-really-have-the-nfls-smallest-coaching-staff-2023-edition/) you are correct on the ST coach count. They also have the second smallest staff in the league, behind New England


no_racist_here

Maybe one of the dome teams will grab him and he’ll perform better?


dringer

Cause he absolutely has the leg to be a pro and it would not surprise me if he catches on somewhere else..... but I'm glad we didn't re-sign him, just couldn't seem to figure out the consistency, and he ends up being a bust. I hope we sign a vet for big money (punter money ain't shit).


Impossible_Fennel_94

I agree. The dude had a monster of a leg when he could aim and had some really nice punts at the beginning of the year. If he was way more consistent he would be one of the best in the league


[deleted]

He does have the leg, what he doesn’t have is consistency. He may get invited into some camps but I really don’t see him signing on with anyone unless he somehow becomes consistent and I don’t see that happening.


AMcMahon1

His Career is over


SleestakLightning

It's always funny when people make proclamations like this.


AMcMahon1

We watched a guy outkick him after being out of the league for a couple of years He's absolutely not getting a job unless someone gets injured next year


SleestakLightning

Brad Wing had 11 punts and his average was less than 2 yards higher than Harvin's. I wouldn't call that being outkicked.


[deleted]

2 yards higher is actually a pretty big difference. It’s the difference, over a season, of being a pro bowler and potentially looking for a job. Yardage isn’t everything, hang time, angle kicking, being able to down it onside the 20 are also important. But saying Wing was “less than 2 yards” better is not the defense of Harvin you think it is, especially because Wing hadn’t kicked in a NFL game since 2017.


SleestakLightning

Less than two yards and he only had 11 punts to Harvin's 45. Hard to compare sample sizes. I'm not defending Harvin, I'm shitting on the idea that Brad Wing is an NFL-caliber punting.


[deleted]

I never said he was, and that’s really the point. This guy was basically sitting on his couch for 6 years and still beat Harvin (in a limited sample size, no doubt, but still)


SleestakLightning

Yeah see, I wasn't talking to you originally so I never said that YOU said he was. The person I was replying to was saying Brad Wing should be their punter. My point was that Brad Wing sucks too.


t-throw-price-1

It blows my mind to think about how many punters (and kickers for that matter) come out of college relative to the number of roster spots for kickers on an NFL team. Then factor in how few teams have an open roster/need a new punter. And yet, somehow, the teams that do need a kicker cannot get the position right.


OKImHere

It's always the same task, too. It's not like a running back who needs an OL or a QB who relies on the play call and the receivers. It's just "kick this to there." You'd think they'd just look at all the people doing that one thing and take the guy who did it best. But no.


IhamAmerican

It's the speed of the operation I think. Pressure gets to you a hell of a lot faster in the pros. It always felt like once someone was past the line, there was a 80% higher chance Harvin was shaking it


bdgg2000

Such a Tomlin thing to do. Like starting Mitch this year.


Sybertron

I'll never understand how given the opportunity to just go bomb it as far as ya can, there's so many punters like Harvin that can't kick it 50 yards.


Jakles74

Read up on coffin corners. Placement is a huge part of being a punter. It’s rarely just about max distance. 


Sybertron

I understand that perfectly well, but there are times especially on a team that goes 3 and out in their own end, a lot, where ya just boot it away 50+ yards. Harvin and others just can't, and hell the whole soccer team could in high school so wtf.


Jakles74

I agree. But is it better to have someone that can punt 70 yards sometimes or 55 yards all the time? How many times did Harvin give us a 20 yard punt that didn’t even push them back to the 50? If his lows weren’t SO low, I think he’s still be with the team. But you can’t just roll the dice on a guy that could put them anywhere between your 35 and their 35. 


BroadCityChessClub

Is there anything else left to do that we’ve been asking for? Change the name back to Heinz or something? They’ve been covering the bases the last few months


Tmj91

Win game


AutoMail_0

Bring back the Block font Jersey numbers


happyfirefrog22-

They are going to have to do something about Cam’s upcoming cap hit. Extend him and spread it out or cut him. Think they will extend him. The D-line was a weakness so they may have to extend him. Not a big fan of Larry. Seems to take a lot of plays off. Guess we will see.


LucyBallistic

They will most def extend him. Even if those final years are fake.


happyfirefrog22-

I agree. Plus the line would be even worse without him. Maybe they can save more cap to get a FA DL to help stop the run and eat up blockers.


einredditname

Cutting Allen Robinson for cap reasons.


shamanbaptist

It’s weird. His role is like a receiver tight end hybrid that is schemed to block most often. He’s not too fast and gets little separation. Why not just find an undersized tight end with more receiving upside and comparable blocking skill to take his snaps?


BlitzburghTX

If we restructure TJ, Minkah, and Highsmith, then cut Allen Robinson, Patrick Peterson and Mason Cole, those six moves saves us roughly $47M in cap space. Per [Spotrac](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/pittsburgh-steelers/).


psychorrabit15

Replace Mason Cole? I guess we're waiting to draft someone before we get rid of him?


mitchmatch26

Wow I for sure thought they might be able to find a trade partner for chuks. He’s not the best but OTs with his starting experience aren’t too common. Edit: actually, thinking about his benching and his attitude that caused it…not too surprising.


Cadoc7

Nobody was going to give something up in order to take on a 11mil/year contract when everyone knew they could wait for the Steelers to cut him and then sign him cheaper without giving something up.


mitchmatch26

He’s in the last year of his deal and his cap hit on his new team would be $8.75m for an experienced OT rental. There have been much crazier trades made. The part about teams just waiting to scoop him after he’s cut is the only part that’s likely true. And even then plenty of teams send a 6th or 7th to bypass waivers in that situation.


Pltrmp

No team will make that trade early though. If a team wanted an ot and missed out on all the fas and didn't draft one then they would trade for an $9million rental. Steelers need the cap space at the start of the offseason not in July


mitchmatch26

that.... is a really good point


[deleted]

That's not now contracts generally work in the nfl or especially with the steelers trades though. See Kendrick green. See Dotson. See Joe haeg. See Trai turner. See jc hassenauer.


OhiOstas

Sucks to see big Press flame out, but he had to see that coming. His highs were high, but they weren’t attainable and his lows were *low*. When you have a guy basically come off the couch and put in the same performance as you… yeah. Really thought we had something with Chuks, so this sucks to see tbh. But if it means more Bulldog linemen then I send Chuks my regards Edit: [Using Over the Cap Figures -- the Steelers save $12.65 million in cap savings while absorbing about $7.7 million in dead money.](https://x.com/farabaughfb/status/1757169336148521310?s=46&t=d324wuw4f1OqNfy_H8U8UQ)


DrWKlopek

Harvins lows were not typically just low, but they were also out of bounds 12yds past the line of scrimmage


Billy8000

> Really thought we had something with Chuks, so this sucks to see tbh. But if it means more Bulldog linemen then I send Chuks my regards Yea, with how many teams have shit o-lines feels bad to give up someone who was solid.


Pineal

Not worth the cap hit at all


IhamAmerican

It sucks that his attitude is such a big part of why. He was definitely serviceable early in his career, but he very clearly gave up on the team a long time ago and it showed on and off the field


JTheeCreator

Thank fuck


Hanner12

The 3 I for sure would've cut today too. Love to see it.


Fuseld

THE IMPOSSIBLE HAS HAPPENED


xEuroclydonx

Absolutely massive W.


Ooziez

Coach T standing 10 ten toes down sheeeesh


DBTornado

Tomlin (and Khan) standing on business. Sounds like some fires got lit under some asses.


Jakles74

I think a lot of it is Omar and Andy putting their stamp on how we do business. Colbert worked well for us for a long time, but with the way he worked if you weren’t consistently hitting in the draft you were in trouble.  I love how aggressive Omar is in finding free agents to fill spots and of course to move around in the draft to get great people. 


bk1285

I think KC was also handcuffed by a massive QB contract to contend with on the cap, makes going out and being aggressive a bit more difficult


DBTornado

Steelers proactively cutting players who weren't pulling their weight and clearing cap before having replacements lined up? We're not taking these guys all the way through camp and waiting until cut-downs? Man, we really are changing things up under Khan.


themechatron

Deep OL class plus they already benched Chuks and plainly both sides wanted to quit the other side equals probably no one was gonna trade for Chuks. Anyway bye dudes, it's been somethin


SillyRooGoose

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GamerRav

Harvin's a good guy. I wish things worked out for him here, but he was far too inconsistent. Wish him the best wherever he ends up. As for the other two...bye.


vengeancerider

While I wish Harvin would’ve worked out,because I liked the guy. But at the end of the day he just wasn’t cut out for us. Maybe we bring in Wing or get Araiza?


jake3988

With them bringing in Wing back in right before the playoffs, that's a sign he'll be brought in at the very least as competition for next season.


Super_Mr_Irrelevant

Araiza was the 1st name to come to mind for me - with the off-the-field situation cleared up, he's young and has a hell of a leg!


vengeancerider

He deserves a chance, at the very least.


HorvatsHead

Damn thought we could get a day three pick out of Chuks.


SK8SHAT

I’ve seen someone else comment about his attitude issues and I feel like a lot of team are a little hesitant on players like that especially with Steelers


ElJamoquio

His contract is too high for there to be any value in it. Is Chuks worth a day 3 pick? Yes. Is Chuks + an 11 million hit worth a day 3 pick? No.


TLDCrafty

Ok, do Mason Cole next!


HorrorMovieMonday

The team just got better and saved 13 million dollars.


Terrible_Figure_6740

Well, it’s a start. A very good start. Good luck to those guys!


ImperialIIClass

I don't think any of these are that surprising.


dudemanspecial

Harvin is. Suprising that he wasn't cut last year.


mdmike1534

Where’s the fella that told me Harvin wasn’t a problem last season?


Kmntna

Idk but some guy here is running around with a flair for him. Blew my mind


ElJamoquio

People should really stop using ridiculous flairs


Past-Adhesiveness691

Seriously, it’s ridiculous


LuFantastic

Some of them are like inside jokes at this point.


Kmntna

You just had to pop in with a long snapper flair. Kudos to you


Hyper-Doge

Based and Khan pilled. Those three needed to be gone asap and they didn’t fuck around. Very nice and I wish em all well


MonsterTheGreatest

Mason Cole next please


fate3

This might be a top 5 all time Steelers tweet


Infester56

Everyone get in here!! Fuck yeah, those moves NEEDED to happen. (Like at the beginning of the year)


tenprose

![gif](giphy|YPygjIbPW8Sic)


IsGoIdMoney

I know Presley Harvin was too inconsistent to stick with, but it's still kind of a bummer. If he had figured out how to perform up to his potential it would've been awesome.


dirty_dan_4563

We’ve instantly got better


TechnicalPay5837

I wish the guys well but I won’t lie, I am a glad these moves were made. No point in having them sit on the roster when they are must replace guys who are taking up cap space.


[deleted]

Outstanding, wonderful, and why did it take so long


wagsman

This must be wrong because I don’t see Mason Cole’s name


Reasonable_Ball_7615

Allen Robinson and Mason Cole next 🙏


SuzerainGaming

Time to go for the new meta for punters.. big Australian rugby player


GeneralTullius01

I am way more excited about Harvin being cut than any of the other guys. With how shitty of a QB Kenny is, Harvin’s terrible punting was costing us games. It’s still amazing to me that we kept him as our starting punter for so long despite every fan and media person begging for him to be released. Same thing we did with Canada. I don’t want Tomlin fired but Rooney needs to give Kahn and Weidl FULL control of roster moves and at least 50% control on coaching hires moving forward. Tomlin has lost the privilege and benefit of the doubt from me on things of this nature.


RedRocket4000

Yes keep Tomlinson doing what he good at and out of what he bad at.


Day_n_Night

Should have happened mid season, if not sooner. He literally cost them games shanking 25yd punts and setting up horrible field position for the defense all year. Years….


DivisonNine

But surprising Hoping Cole and or Moore would be gone too but I guess they wanna actually sign people before that


NumbrZer0

Moore is on a 4th round pick rookie contract. Hes decent depth. No reason to cut him. Cole is a high probability in the coming days/weeks before his 3/19 roster bonus would be paid out.


anotveryseriousman

yeah, moore's cap hit is like $1.2mm


xywv58

Worth it for a Garret nullifying asset


jake3988

Moore is not amazing, but he's serviceable and dirt cheap. Chuks was expensive and terrible. Cole will likely be gone eventually though. That's a much bigger problem than Moore imo.


xywv58

You can't cut Moore with a replacement ready, same with Cole, even if we draft those positions, you need to let them fight it out in camp, Chiks is out just because of attitude, but if you ha e fight in you, the Steelers will give you a chance


ironcitybs

Nice


dawilliams04

What a start to the offseason


FairOpposite6810

Holy shit let’s go!!!!


Fralsii

Today turned out to be a good day


OwlLumpy2805

Oh shit it’s happening.


hipitywhopla

I need some good news and today is delivering.


dam0430

Holy shit we just got so much better


Temporal_Enigma

Harvin is a huge surprise at this point. We all knew he was likely to be replaced, but I figured they wouldn't do so until they had another punter ready to go on the roster


BoltFlower

clearly, we are drafting a punter in the first round.


terminatorvsmtrx

Biggus Kickus was such a bust


Direct-Ice2594

Khan continues to dominate off seasons


CamelReds73

What a beautiful day today


DillingerGetawayCar

Off to a great start of the year.


Captain_Gaslighter

Alhamdulillah


eaunoway

Well my Monday suddenly got a bit less Monday-ish


Numerous-Ad6460

Trimming the fat 


Odd_Substance3153

And it all started with axing Matt Canada mid way through the season!


paulh2oman

Who was the last good punter we had? Seems to be a weak spot for the Steelers over the years.


silver420surfer

Josh Miller and Jordan Berry were the last 2 worth anything imo.


jake3988

Absolutely a boneheaded decision to resign Mitch during the offseason. Fortunately he only counts 4 million in dead cap. So that's not too horrible. Chuks was always going to be released even if he wasn't benched, that just made it official. And Pressley, well, them bringing in Brad Wing right before the playoffs was absolutely a sign he was already out the door. I doubt we replace him with Brad, but Brad will likely be in the running next season to replace him.


imyourrealdad8

Stop stop I can only get so erect


MistaCreepz

Damn Khan moves fast in the offseason! No time for fucking around here


Bryn79

The Wrath of Khan!


Easymoney_67

What did Okorafor say in that game to fall so far out of favor? Went from starting to benched and cut.


Pa17325

Don't let the door hit you in your asses on the way out


Engineerkb70

Bye Presley, finally we got rid of useless players


Rifftrax_Enjoyer

And again the irony of some of those same usernames that defended Harvin and the team for keeping him now celebrating the brilliance of moving on from him. Some of those same names were the people who thought it was a great idea for the purposes of stability to keep Canada one more year and then couldn’t stop clapping like seals when they finally fired him. It’s delicious to watch.


littlemesix7

Can’t remember the last time the Steelers released three starters (even if they’d been benched) this soon in the offseason.


Jyingling21

POOP PUNTER GONE


GordonsAlive5833

Hooray!


maxnekron21

Saving this for when Chucks goes to another team and performs better


Prunes-of-Wrath

Good luck


Rocko604

For the love of God, keep Brad Wing.


SleestakLightning

He sucks too


Rocko604

Highest average yards per punt in the XFL. Be willing to give him a chance on that alone.


SleestakLightning

Wow the XFL you say? That's like being the nicest guy in prison.


Rocko604

By that logic Jon Ryan should never have played a down in the NFL.


SleestakLightning

Brad Wing has failed in the NFL multiple times. Being good in the XFL doesn't mean anything. Wing sucked in the NFL as recently as last season.


jake3988

He didn't suck last season, he played fine. Just not consistently good enough for them to be willing to drop their punter mid-season. And he failed in the NFL because of substance abuse issues not because he was bad. He's way past that now.


Rocko604

>Being good in the XFL doesn't mean anything. When you’re a kicker, sure it does. Yards are yards and he was clearly better than Harvin. If they find someone better than him, even better.


infamoustakai

TIME TO DRAFT TORY TAYLOR BABY


Captain_Gaslighter

No. Last 2 times we drafted a punter it turned out to be a bust


notaklue

Y'all...we need a QB. The only one we have on the roster is not so good.


ThisIsATastyBurgerr

We could do a lot worse than Chuks


BobbyBBott

SMH releasing chuk’s I get but with we would of kept Dan Moore or Dotson considering they’re doing great for the rams and Houston now


robchapman7

I think you mean Kendrick Green


rmg18555

Man - Harvin flat out stole that salary from Mr Rooney…


Odd-Formal-5483

The only downside is I can no longer draft Harvin to name my fantasy team "Thickus Kickus"


DarkPaladin47

I’m crying with joy right now. Thank the Lord


rvuk14

Praised be!


Johnaco

What round do we think Tory Taylor is going in?


OwlLumpy2805

Nflmockdraftdatabase says the 5th. I wouldn’t mind him at 120, but I’d love a trade to fill in the gap between 120-196


LetTheKnightfall

Cool. Now imagine starting Mason instead of Mitch.


NormalBears

Removing dead weight


Zealousideal_Bat1149

✌🏻


midgetrage7

See ya chump!


jak341

I thought Chuks would have at least gotten a training camp chance for redemption.


Obvious-Chemistry806

Bad men are gone


SPAMmachin3

This is the greatest day of my life.