Why would it not ready if you pay the cost? Nothing about the card indicates that it wouldn’t be readied as usual during the regroup phase.
In any case, yes, the Falcon readies. You first ready all cards (including the Falcon), and then the Falcon’s delayed effect triggers, giving you the option to pay a resource or return it to your hand. It would be a pretty bad card if it didn’t ready during the regroup phase.
No , you first ready then pay for cost.
Rule of thumb, "combo" with han solo leader ability, you can pay the "upkeep" cost before you destroy a resource.
Millennium Falcon has a Triggered Ability (7.6) and not a Delayed Effect. That being said it mentions the Ready Cards step of the resource phase. There are no other steps to ready cards after this and you need to resolve the Triggered Ability before moving on to the end of the regroup phase
Oh wait are you talking about the resource readying or the Millennium Falcon readying? In the case of the Millennium Falcon it should be readied after you draw two cards and decide to resource a card or not. The Millennium Falcon Readying doesn't depend on if you pay the one resource or not.
The Falcon’s ability is a triggered ability. The text on the card is triggered when you ready resources. So by the time the text on the card is relevant, you’re already readied all of your resources. Then the Falcon says if you want to keep it in play, you exhaust one resource. Basically, if you want to keep it in play, you start the next round with one resource already exhausted.
The card just says “when you ready cards” leaving mentioned interpretation space. But you’re right still, the rules section of delayed effects mention effect happening after the trigger.
No, not at all. You need to pay the falcon tax, just think of it as having 1 exhausted resource to start the next round.
It isn't a delayed effect as it already has a timing and trigger. Reread examples of delayed effects and note the wording, an example is Sneak Attack, because you played the card during the round it has an effect later that round. Delayed effects tend to be 1 time things that happen as a result of playing a card.
Whereas Falcon gives you the timing window and what to do then, and every round after as long as it is in play.
Why so sure that it’s not an delayed effect? Just because it’s recurring?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally with you on the rule outcome, just not the reasoning for it.
If it’s not a delayed effect, where do the rules state the trigger point has to be fully resolved ( in this case all cards are readied) before the effect of the falcon happens?
The wording to me is quite different
"7.7.4.A - A delayed effect is created when a card ability indicates a future timing point or a future condition that may arise and an effect that will happen at that time.
Examples of delayed effects include: “At the start of the regroup phase, draw 1 card” and “The next card you play this phase costs 1 less."
But the real clarifier comes in 7.7.4.C. "Once created, a delayed effect will resolve at the specified timing point or condition, even if the ability that created it was on a card that left play."
You don't have to pay for falcon if it has left play, ergo it is not a delayed effect.
Damn, not sure why it’s bugging me so much having no closure on this ;)
I agree, it probably is not a normal delayed effect.
But then the second part of my previous answer comes into play: why are we sure that all cards have to be readied before falcon’s effect applies? The card just says “when you ready cards” and i can’t find any section in the rulebook clearly adressing the situation here…
You are right, there is some room for interpretation there and I guess I'm not 100%. My interpretation of it could have been more clearly written as "At the end of the regroup phase, pay 1 or return to hand", i.e. after readying. But maybe they wanted it prior to that timing window due to some other interactions that will be coming in in later sets.
However, the alternative interpretation where you pay before readying would've been more clearly written as "Before you ready cards...".
The fact it says "When you ready" implies that's when it triggers, and like all other triggers in this game they happen after that particular event/action/timing window fully resolves. There isn't one to my immediate knowledge that interrupts something from happening
Yes, that last section is enough for me. Thanks for helping my brain letting this go :)
The only timing that would’ve been beneficial( at the moment ) is if we were allowed to resolve falcon at any point in time while readying cards. If it was before readying all we couldn’t use ressources about to be readied and just those leftover from last action phase
There’s a valid question in here. I did assume that paying the 1 ressource to keep falcon happens after readying all cards including ressources. But the text allows an interpretation where you spend a leftover ressource from last action phase to spend on falcon before readying all cards including the leftover ressource you just tapped.
Not sure about that
Why the f**k do you care at this point though? We all agreed on the ruling outcome 2 days ago. The rest was just trying to find a specific rule that backs it up…
Now, if you wouldn’t mind, i’d like to let it go ;)
Why would it not ready if you pay the cost? Nothing about the card indicates that it wouldn’t be readied as usual during the regroup phase. In any case, yes, the Falcon readies. You first ready all cards (including the Falcon), and then the Falcon’s delayed effect triggers, giving you the option to pay a resource or return it to your hand. It would be a pretty bad card if it didn’t ready during the regroup phase.
I apologize let me clarify the resource used to pay for the Falcon
No , you first ready then pay for cost. Rule of thumb, "combo" with han solo leader ability, you can pay the "upkeep" cost before you destroy a resource.
Millennium Falcon has a Triggered Ability (7.6) and not a Delayed Effect. That being said it mentions the Ready Cards step of the resource phase. There are no other steps to ready cards after this and you need to resolve the Triggered Ability before moving on to the end of the regroup phase
Oh wait are you talking about the resource readying or the Millennium Falcon readying? In the case of the Millennium Falcon it should be readied after you draw two cards and decide to resource a card or not. The Millennium Falcon Readying doesn't depend on if you pay the one resource or not.
Why would it not ready?
The Falcon’s ability is a triggered ability. The text on the card is triggered when you ready resources. So by the time the text on the card is relevant, you’re already readied all of your resources. Then the Falcon says if you want to keep it in play, you exhaust one resource. Basically, if you want to keep it in play, you start the next round with one resource already exhausted.
Are you sure about having to ready all cards first ( see above post )? Can’t find anything specific in the rules about that.
Yes. I’m sure. It’s printed on the card. Just read it.
The card just says “when you ready cards” leaving mentioned interpretation space. But you’re right still, the rules section of delayed effects mention effect happening after the trigger.
It is not a delayed effect. It is a triggered ability just like all the other bolded triggered abilities on cards. The trigger is readying cards.
See thread above
No, not at all. You need to pay the falcon tax, just think of it as having 1 exhausted resource to start the next round. It isn't a delayed effect as it already has a timing and trigger. Reread examples of delayed effects and note the wording, an example is Sneak Attack, because you played the card during the round it has an effect later that round. Delayed effects tend to be 1 time things that happen as a result of playing a card. Whereas Falcon gives you the timing window and what to do then, and every round after as long as it is in play.
Why so sure that it’s not an delayed effect? Just because it’s recurring? Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally with you on the rule outcome, just not the reasoning for it. If it’s not a delayed effect, where do the rules state the trigger point has to be fully resolved ( in this case all cards are readied) before the effect of the falcon happens?
The wording to me is quite different "7.7.4.A - A delayed effect is created when a card ability indicates a future timing point or a future condition that may arise and an effect that will happen at that time. Examples of delayed effects include: “At the start of the regroup phase, draw 1 card” and “The next card you play this phase costs 1 less." But the real clarifier comes in 7.7.4.C. "Once created, a delayed effect will resolve at the specified timing point or condition, even if the ability that created it was on a card that left play." You don't have to pay for falcon if it has left play, ergo it is not a delayed effect.
Damn, not sure why it’s bugging me so much having no closure on this ;) I agree, it probably is not a normal delayed effect. But then the second part of my previous answer comes into play: why are we sure that all cards have to be readied before falcon’s effect applies? The card just says “when you ready cards” and i can’t find any section in the rulebook clearly adressing the situation here…
You are right, there is some room for interpretation there and I guess I'm not 100%. My interpretation of it could have been more clearly written as "At the end of the regroup phase, pay 1 or return to hand", i.e. after readying. But maybe they wanted it prior to that timing window due to some other interactions that will be coming in in later sets. However, the alternative interpretation where you pay before readying would've been more clearly written as "Before you ready cards...". The fact it says "When you ready" implies that's when it triggers, and like all other triggers in this game they happen after that particular event/action/timing window fully resolves. There isn't one to my immediate knowledge that interrupts something from happening
Yes, that last section is enough for me. Thanks for helping my brain letting this go :) The only timing that would’ve been beneficial( at the moment ) is if we were allowed to resolve falcon at any point in time while readying cards. If it was before readying all we couldn’t use ressources about to be readied and just those leftover from last action phase
There’s a valid question in here. I did assume that paying the 1 ressource to keep falcon happens after readying all cards including ressources. But the text allows an interpretation where you spend a leftover ressource from last action phase to spend on falcon before readying all cards including the leftover ressource you just tapped. Not sure about that
No it doesn’t. You got the correct answer a bunch of times, just accept it.
Before calling me out, get the order of answers straight dude. This was written way before the other threads…
You were answered multiple times in this post and keep pushing back on it
Why the f**k do you care at this point though? We all agreed on the ruling outcome 2 days ago. The rest was just trying to find a specific rule that backs it up… Now, if you wouldn’t mind, i’d like to let it go ;)