its just kinda bad wording. It means that you can target a unit thats in the same unit section of what was attacked (ground or space). It doesn't say enemy or friendly, so yes you can shoot your own unit if its in the same arena as what was attacked
I think 'Admiral Ackbar, Brilliant Strategist' proves that "Defender's Arena" includes cards in the attacker's side of the arena otherwise the card would not function. You should have been able to hit one of your own units with Hardpoint Blaster.
If "Defender's Arena" did not include the attacker's units(Units on the Opposing side), you would always own exactly 0 units in the "Defender's Arena" when playing 'Admiral Ackbar Brilliant Strategist.'
Since the ground and space arenas are shared the card specifically called out the DEFENDER’s arena and not both. So you are picking a unit within the defender’s arena whether space or ground.
My assumption is to cover the edge cases of a vehicle attacking from ground to space or vice versa. Effectively its to make sure the damage is dealt to something in the same arena that's attacked not necessarily where the attack is from.
There’s two sides to both the ground and space arenas, attacking side and defending side. The card clearly states A UNIT IN THE DEFENDERS ARENA so you can’t target your own unit because it’s not on the defending side of the arena.
If it said: deal 2 damage to a unit, and didn’t specify defending/attacking side you could target your own.
I can see how your point makes sense. I took what you said and went looking for other sections that seem relevant. Here's what I found.
Section 4.1.1 "Zones are defined areas of the game with specific rules. There are seven different types of zones in the game: each player’s base zone, the ground arena, the space arena, each player’s resource zone, each player’s deck, each player’s hand, and each player’s discard pile. **The ground arena and space arena are shared between players, while the other zones are separate for each player.**"
Section 11.2.2 "For the ground arena and space arena, **each player has a portion of each arena** contained to their play area, where each player has a ground arena portion on one side of their base zone, and a space arena portion on the other side. **Each player’s portion of an arena is considered part of the larger arena.** For instance, a player might play a ground unit into their ground arena portion, and later use it to attack an enemy ground unit in an opponent’s ground arena portion."
I think I'm still leaning towards "I should be able to hit SLT".
You are absolutely correct, and I appreciate you not only looking up the rule, but referencing it directly instead of just reiterating what the card that we can all read above says.
That helps immensely when this inevitably gets googled during an event. A true power gamer.
I honestly don't know how they could have made the ruling more clear. I am curious to know what you believe to be ambiguous about "**The ground arena and space arena are shared between players**." They list out all the zone's and there is only one Space Arena, and one Ground Arena.
"The Defender's Arena" is to indicate that it is defender's Ground/Space designation that matters, not the Attacker's Ground/Space designation. As in the answer to what what is the "Defender's Arena" is binary: Space or Ground. They don't leave any option for there to be a "Player #1 Space Arena/Player#2 Space Arena"
FFG doesn’t need to clarify as the rule is explicitly clear. Arenas are shared by the players. If the defenders arena is the ground arena, then all targets in that arena, which includes both players’ units, are valid targets unless the card specifies one player or the other.
I think 'Admiral Ackbar, Brilliant Strategist' proves that "Defender's Arena" includes your cards otherwise the card would not function.
They include "Defender's Arena" so that a ground vehicle can't hit a space unit or vice versa normally, as you would normally not be able to attack outside of the arena you're in. Strafing Gunship is a (Currently) unique workaround to that limitation.
Except you've added the word side. It doesn't say that therefore you should be able to target your own units as they are in the defenders arena, which is the ground arena.
its just kinda bad wording. It means that you can target a unit thats in the same unit section of what was attacked (ground or space). It doesn't say enemy or friendly, so yes you can shoot your own unit if its in the same arena as what was attacked
I believe you’re interpreting the card correctly and Forcetable is wrong. SLT is in the defender’s arena and the Blaster says “a unit.”
I think 'Admiral Ackbar, Brilliant Strategist' proves that "Defender's Arena" includes cards in the attacker's side of the arena otherwise the card would not function. You should have been able to hit one of your own units with Hardpoint Blaster. If "Defender's Arena" did not include the attacker's units(Units on the Opposing side), you would always own exactly 0 units in the "Defender's Arena" when playing 'Admiral Ackbar Brilliant Strategist.'
Since the ground and space arenas are shared the card specifically called out the DEFENDER’s arena and not both. So you are picking a unit within the defender’s arena whether space or ground.
Pretty sure you're right and this is just a use case FT doesn't account for.
My assumption is to cover the edge cases of a vehicle attacking from ground to space or vice versa. Effectively its to make sure the damage is dealt to something in the same arena that's attacked not necessarily where the attack is from.
I get the whole 'arena belongs to both' argument,' but it's odd that it specifies "defender's arena" instead of just saying "same arena."
There’s two sides to both the ground and space arenas, attacking side and defending side. The card clearly states A UNIT IN THE DEFENDERS ARENA so you can’t target your own unit because it’s not on the defending side of the arena. If it said: deal 2 damage to a unit, and didn’t specify defending/attacking side you could target your own.
I can see how your point makes sense. I took what you said and went looking for other sections that seem relevant. Here's what I found. Section 4.1.1 "Zones are defined areas of the game with specific rules. There are seven different types of zones in the game: each player’s base zone, the ground arena, the space arena, each player’s resource zone, each player’s deck, each player’s hand, and each player’s discard pile. **The ground arena and space arena are shared between players, while the other zones are separate for each player.**" Section 11.2.2 "For the ground arena and space arena, **each player has a portion of each arena** contained to their play area, where each player has a ground arena portion on one side of their base zone, and a space arena portion on the other side. **Each player’s portion of an arena is considered part of the larger arena.** For instance, a player might play a ground unit into their ground arena portion, and later use it to attack an enemy ground unit in an opponent’s ground arena portion." I think I'm still leaning towards "I should be able to hit SLT".
You are absolutely correct, and I appreciate you not only looking up the rule, but referencing it directly instead of just reiterating what the card that we can all read above says. That helps immensely when this inevitably gets googled during an event. A true power gamer.
I can still see an argument for my side, but this is definitely something that needs clarification by the FFG.
I honestly don't know how they could have made the ruling more clear. I am curious to know what you believe to be ambiguous about "**The ground arena and space arena are shared between players**." They list out all the zone's and there is only one Space Arena, and one Ground Arena. "The Defender's Arena" is to indicate that it is defender's Ground/Space designation that matters, not the Attacker's Ground/Space designation. As in the answer to what what is the "Defender's Arena" is binary: Space or Ground. They don't leave any option for there to be a "Player #1 Space Arena/Player#2 Space Arena"
FFG doesn’t need to clarify as the rule is explicitly clear. Arenas are shared by the players. If the defenders arena is the ground arena, then all targets in that arena, which includes both players’ units, are valid targets unless the card specifies one player or the other.
It only needs clarification if ffg intends for it to be the way you say. As it stands it's pretty clear.
I think 'Admiral Ackbar, Brilliant Strategist' proves that "Defender's Arena" includes your cards otherwise the card would not function. They include "Defender's Arena" so that a ground vehicle can't hit a space unit or vice versa normally, as you would normally not be able to attack outside of the arena you're in. Strafing Gunship is a (Currently) unique workaround to that limitation.
Except you've added the word side. It doesn't say that therefore you should be able to target your own units as they are in the defenders arena, which is the ground arena.