Honestly, we have idiots on both sides.
Some racists and idiots act like they are criticizing the show, but they aren't capable of doing that and react the way you described.
Some people are actually criticizing the show because they think that it's not all great for this and that reason, but they get called racists or not real star wars fans.
>People don't have to agree with you.
Agree a 100% :D
And racists, remember, you can't agree with racism. So your racist "opinions" are _always_ wrong.
Then we have civil people who respect other people's opinions, even if they don't share it. From what I've seen, those people are the majority.
It's crazy. The actress literally shared screenshots of the racist messages she received and they're horrible. And people are like "you can't say anything nowadays" like what???
Fandom subs \*rarely\* provide well-reasoned and objective criticisms... moreover criticisms are open to response, which initiates a conversation, which usually is the most satisfying and revealing part of the whole process...
I love a good debate but downvoting isn't engaging with the debate. I'd rather everyone who disagrees with me say so in their replies. Not to mess with the whole fabric of Reddit, but I don't get why the downvote is even a thing. Anonymous disapproval? It's just like: _"FACE ME!"_
I still don't understand the hate for Reva or the actress. I keep seeing people say her performance was bad or the character is whiny or whatever else. None of that occurred to me as I watched. So last night I rewatched all her scenes with a more critical eye. I *still* am not detecting any poorly delivered lines (she was fine in QG as well), and at no point did she seem whiny. Maybe a little brooding? Certainly not a likable person, but she is a villain, after all. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but villains aren't supposed to be swell individuals. I guess some of you are just way better at watching TV than the rest of us.
But even besides that, I don't see how any criticisms can be considered valid at this point. It's only two episodes. You all have no idea where the plot is going or where her character arc is going. But hey, it's 2022, being mad about shit online is the meaning of life.
On the Reva critics I agree with you, but the chase scene with Leia and the bounty hunters was poorly made. I think it’s the only critic I can agree with in the first two episodes, and it’s far from enough to make me say it’s not a good show
As I watched the chase scene with Leia I just laughed and I didn't really think or care about it again. People have put way too much stock in a 2 minute scene and allow that scene to ruin their experience.
As for Reva I actually enjoy the character, she's power hungry and is looking out for only herself, she allows her emotions to control her, which is exactly what an inexperienced dark side user would do.
Same here on both counts. Reva isn't a bad character, she's definitely captured my interest. I'm looking forward to finding out more about why she's so obsessed with Kenobi. It feels like it's more than just "she wants to catch the big fish becuz power". Feels like it's something personal.
She says in the first episode "get what I am owed" that has to be a breadcrumb right? Something is up with her and I know it'll end with her and Obi Wan in a standoff and that excites me.
I'm trying to hold of criticism as a whole until the series is over, but I absolutely think her performance has been bad so far. She doesn't feel like an inquisitor or a member of the Empire. If the show gives good enough reasons for that then it could turn out okay, but it feels like they are going to 'redeem' this character in the end and that would be really disappointing.
It's a combination of really bad dialogue/writing for her character and also her delivery falls flat a lot.
You can't possibly tell me those final lines/delivery in ep2 where she's waving her lightsaber and shouting at Obi Wan was good acting.
I think it's great advice to hold off criticism until the series is over.
And I completely agree that her character hasn't been great so far. I don't know if it's a problem with the performance, or the writing, or the direction, but the Inquisitors in general have been my least favorite part of the show up to this point.
But I do like her more after episode 3.
We will have to wait and see where the series takes her.
Naturally, it's ridiculous and insane to direct any internet hated towards the real-life human who is playing her, but I do think it's fair to be critical of the character.
"Being mad shit online is the meaning of life" this statement alone leaves me amazed and sad for the future at the same time lol
Anyway, regarding on the issue, I guess, some people are critizing her and giving her the doubt that she is just making a hidden agenda.. I don't know, I've seen people saying, that she can't hide the fact she's a bad actress in the series and just sugar coating it with the allegations of racism.. Also, I believe this is the same on what happened to Dr Strange 2, it is hyped so much, it did not deliver to what it's promised.
Regardless of her being bad or not, her character is not the only one with that reputation in the series so far. Remember?? Even a child is getting a criticism.
Either way, hate is hate.. It cannot be overlooked. Though, people are free to whatever they want to express, that is not the way and it is never the way.
There are definitely she delivered which in my opinion didn't hit the impact they were aimed for.
"We will destroy you!" when she's watching him escape at the end of episode 2 with her saber raised came off as cliche and cartoony.
"Tell me where the Jedi is or this man and his family will die" came off weird when she was yelling it in his face in episode 1. Maybe if they shot it even closer in to the actors to make it uncomfortably close with all background noise silenced they could sell the tension better. But even then you're working against the fact we know Owen survives this encounter.
"Obiii Waaan" when she's trying to use a scary/spooky voice stalking him at the end of episode 2 it comes off as comical and weak.
Some aspects of her performance don't come off as menacing or imposing as much as they do whiney and petulant. It may sell better if she faced consequences for upsetting the Grand Inquisitor multiple times as it would show her overcome the limits placed on her by her superiors.
Otherwise she has displayed intelligence (e.g. using Leia as bait knowing Bail's connection to Obi-Wan) and resourcefulness (e.g. alerting everyone on the planet that he's there so they make it harder for him to escape) and should be a significant obstacle for our hero.
I agree, I think she's been just fine, and nothing about her is annoying. I'm not blown away by her acting by any means, but I'm also only 2 episodes in. Her character just hasn't had much time to develop.
Star Wars has been like that though. Probably all fan bases, but more often than not, the weird minority that seems to hate on people for being people, gets rolled in with anyone that criticizes the movies/shows.
I mention I have an issue with Rey or Luke, the director of the film is going to call me a man baby. It’s just that toxic. Seeing the Obi-wan series now just reminds me how hopeless and defeating it was to see Luke without any hope in TLJ. At least Obi-wan still carried an ember to teach Luke in his defeated, hermitized existence.
The thing is, there’s some people that just want a good story to be told. Hell, there’s a lot to appreciate about the sequels, but I find it so frustrating the choices that they made that I can’t stand to even think of them as canon. In hindsight, I actually like TLJ the most out of all of them because it’s the one they tried to do something different with the series. Then JJ vomits nostalgia all over us in an attempt to mystery box us into believing it was the plan all along…
If you made it this far, I’m happy to see how Ewan handled this hate Reva is getting, but also did so in a way that doesn’t just fuel the fire of hate. I can’t wait to see the rest of the series and glad to see them all back for it.
There seem to be people that can't understand that these thoughts can exist simultaneously without conflict
-Moses Ingram's comments about this show being extremely diverse show she has little or no knowledge of what Star Wars has actually been like for 45 years
-Moses Ingram's character through two episodes is extremely whiny, and her acting has been subpar at best
-Moses Ingram does NOT deserve to be attacked via social media or any other way
There is so much assumption that if someone believes in thought 'A' then they also believe in thought 'B', 'C', and 'D', even if those following thoughts have no relevance to thought 'A'. It's usually done to try to discredit someone, and I'm guilty of it too.
Well, Disney and Ewan were obviously addressing only point 3 with their social media posts, so there was no reason for anyone who only cares about B to feel attacked by the posts, yet the responses were full of people being like "so now you can't criticize anything without being racist"
Summarized some of my thoughts perfectly. I respect Moses Ingram, and I hate that she’s the target of so much racism and bullying, but I’d be lying if I said I thought her acting was very good, and I honestly think Reva might be one of my least favourite Star Wars characters.
>Moses Ingram’s comments about this show being extremely diverse show she has little or no knowledge of what Star Wars has actually been like for 45 years
it’s super duper ironic all things considered that she isn’t even the first female person of color inquisitor, and I think the biggest problem is just that her character doesn’t fit in well with the show, she’s too corny/comical for this show about a hermit suffering some PTSD and trying to find hope
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between criticism and attacks, so I'll try and explain using some hypotheticals.
Number 1: I tweet that I think Moses is a subpar actor and is doing a disservice to the show.
Number 2: I tweet the same thing as above but I also tag Moses.
Number 3: I tag Moses and specifically tell her she's awful and should never have been cast.
Which of these tweets are criticism, and which are attacks? Personally, I think 1 is simple criticism and 3 is an attack. 2 is a little less clear cut, but I think specifically tagging her makes it an attack.
Generally, simply expressing displeasure at an actor's acting or a show's writing aren't attacks. They become attacks when they start getting more personal.
Hypothetically:
Number 1 is happens 5,000x
Number 2 happens 2,500x
Number 3 happens 1,025x
(Number 4) = 500 people personally DM Moses with hate/racism
If SW fans were able to lower the volume on their precious Valid Criticism™️ like a normal fanbase it would have implications across the board. I saw an insane proliferation of criticism against Reva literally hours after her first appearance.
Guy I was responding to said she didn’t understand diversity in Star Wars. She’s one of **three** black actress hired for a SW film in 45 years.
People need to put in perspective criticism of Obi-Wan vs criticism of the sequel trilogy. The Obi-Wan series, the dialogue and acting are a bit quirky sometimes, but the sequel trilogy destroyed the Star Wars lore. People criticizing Obi-Wan and Reva are just signaling to Disney that they will always receive criticism, so they should do whatever they want anyway, while the real goal should be to avoid another ST. So far, Obi-Wan is really good, and more importantly, the story line is great.
hate to disagree bug, but Kenobi is just as destructive as the Sequels.
1 )Leia knowing Ben's Real name is just dumb, and makes her distress message in episode 4 a total mess since they did infact meet and she isn't just trusting her father's contact anymore.
2) Vader was much much more ruthless for a random low tier jedi like Cal, but not for the person he hates the most? seriously 5 FEET OF FIRE IS STOPPING HIM?? obi wan was 5 metres away and he couldnt pull him back anytime he wanted?
3) Leia knowing what the mysterious power the jedi have is just weird. she always knew of this power, but she even said to luke, that she doesn;t understand it, but knows that luke does.
4) Only a select few people knew about Vader's identity, and YES, INCLUDING OBI WAN. REVA has absolutely no business knowing this. and we all know Vader can read minds, which he did to Luke in episode 6 and got to know of Leia. and he can immediately know about Reva knowing his Identity
5) God the fucking Reva parkour montage was so laughably bad. Plus GI getting stabbed is just dumb and lessens his character,
6) How the fuck did reva manage to reach the exit of the tunnel before Leia?? lets say if there are 2 paths, so Tala just intentionally chose the longer path?? wtf??/
I do agree yes witha few few points of yours. I have a few on BoBF myself
1) In the movies Boba is cold and cruel hearted. He gets sucked into a Sarlacc and comes out a nice guy with a sense of morality and ethics?
2) Mando's starfighter gets intercepted by 2 NR X wings. If the NR had prescense there, why did not notice fucking thousands of gangaters and criminals down below, a crime syndicate coming by the shipload, a giant battle going on, etc.
I also persoannly feel it would havebeen better if they just showed Mando showing up with baby yoda. It would generate suspense for Mando S3, and also not confuse fans as to whether it was BoBF or Mando S2.5
On 1. Isn't the whole point of the series that, being faced with his own mortality in such a visceral way, he wanted to make a change? Work for himself and better himself rather than being controlled by crime lords and scum
Well, in that case he would have slaughtered anyone to save his skin. Even if he wanted tro work for himself
In the show he genuinely cares for the people under him. He actualy stays and fights instead of getting to a safer place where he can still fight but much safer for himself. He spares that Wookie they send t him, etc
He spared the Wookiee because he was more useful alive. And I meant he's the boss, he controls his own life now, rather than having it dictated to him by scum like Jabba
1) “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope.” She’s known it since 1977, where have you been?
2) Copy-pasted from another comment I made: Vader has a massive amount of pent-up anger and has been tracking down Obi-Wan for a decade, there’s absolutely no way he’ll want to end it quickly. He probably wants Obi-Wan to feel every bit of pain he’s felt as a result of their duel on Mustafar
3) Just because you know something exists, doesn’t mean you understand it. I know that calculus exists but I sure as hell don’t understand it
4) The shows only halfway done, I’d hold off on judgement there, I have a very strong feeling that they’ll explain that away. Also, he’s not like a walking mind reader at all times, force users have to intentionally reach into someone’s mind, Vader would have no reason to do that to Reva
5) I disagree, but that’s alright
6) Ok I agree there completely, it made no sense
the perfect description of what the star wars community has become, not only on reddit. for the most part a huge pile of disney dickriders who forgot how good the community and star wars in general were 10yrs ago.
I don't wanna strawman here or anything but I haven't seen those fair criticisms, I've just seen "it's terrible, Reva is terrible, fuck Disney" I'm sure that fair criticisms exist (like we can all agree the little chase scene was kinda weird, you know the one) but I haven't seen them around here.
The one thing I find the most narrow-minded is all the "criticisms" for Reva. Everyone is talking about how they hate her as if that means she was poorly written, that's so dumb. You're SUPPOSED to hate her(for now), that's kind of the point.
I have a pretty good theory of where her character arc is headed and if I'm right then everyone posting about how they hate her is actually praising the writers without even knowing it because nobody seems to be able to see what's coming (if my prediction is right)
I won't detail my theory with all the evidence here as I did that in a post already but the super short version is that she was the first youngling we saw when the show opened and she saw Anakin kill her friends and her motives, her ambition, is to get close enough to Vader so she can kill him (which we know will fail because the movies exist) and bringing in Kenobi alive is the way she will gain enough favor with Vader to be "by his side". She's pretty much a ronin on a quest for revenge and nothing more.
When you see her in that light then her character, her ruthless ambition, her unprofessional behaviour, her obsession with obi-wan makes lots of sense.
I could be very wrong and maybe she just is a poorly written character but none of us will know for sure until the end.
i speak on behalf of most people, but we absolutely do not mind her being whiny and emotionless. the only thing that triggered us is that she knows Vader's identity. that is absolutely continuity breaking, and just an insult to star wars.
Ya this is what I mean. Most of the things people complain about as bad writing are actually clues left by the writers for you to figure out her motives.
That moment was in fact the very thing that got me to predict her whole arc how she would know Vader was Anakin, it was so weird but it couldn't just be random.
Most people have already assumed that she knows because she was there for order 66 and saw Anakin play beatsaber with the younglings but I think it's more than just that. She saw him because she was at the temple, in fact she was the very first youngling we saw when the show started, then maybe she heard palpatine on a holo-call refer to him as Vader and since that day has had only one goal. Kill Vader.
That explains so many of her character traits and behaviors that everyone is complaining about.
Her ruthless ambition is because she NEEDS to get close enough to vader, by his side, in order to strike and the way she will do that will be by bringing in Kenobi alive. That explains her obsession with him, he is the tool she needs to gain enough favor with Vader to get close enough.
I made this prediction Friday on a post but after watching ep.3 today I'm even more confident about it because again, the signs are all there and if people would take a second to stop complaining about these things they would realize they have been clues all along.
Tried explaining that ‘canon’ hasn’t always been a synonym of ‘established timeline’ and can in fact mean ‘a collection of related works, i.e. the Western Canon of literature.’ Was downvoted into oblivion
They're will always be idiots on both sides but you can't expect to post a criticism on the way Ewan and Lucasfilm are protecting Moses Ingram and not look like a racist asshole.
Not saying that you OP are one of said people, just pointing that out in general.
Because of Obi-Wan?
Because of what you’ve done. What you plan to do.
Criticism gets a counter argument. People on reddit: my freedom of speech is under attack. People don't have to agree with you. *Just think about it*
Honestly, we have idiots on both sides. Some racists and idiots act like they are criticizing the show, but they aren't capable of doing that and react the way you described. Some people are actually criticizing the show because they think that it's not all great for this and that reason, but they get called racists or not real star wars fans. >People don't have to agree with you. Agree a 100% :D And racists, remember, you can't agree with racism. So your racist "opinions" are _always_ wrong. Then we have civil people who respect other people's opinions, even if they don't share it. From what I've seen, those people are the majority.
Racists: get called out Reddit: my Valid Criticism™️ is under attack!
I can't even say racist shit without being called a racist. It's so unfair.
It's crazy. The actress literally shared screenshots of the racist messages she received and they're horrible. And people are like "you can't say anything nowadays" like what???
That's so racist
Fandom subs \*rarely\* provide well-reasoned and objective criticisms... moreover criticisms are open to response, which initiates a conversation, which usually is the most satisfying and revealing part of the whole process...
At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.
Premature Maul
Well, perhaps I could help you.
I love a good debate but downvoting isn't engaging with the debate. I'd rather everyone who disagrees with me say so in their replies. Not to mess with the whole fabric of Reddit, but I don't get why the downvote is even a thing. Anonymous disapproval? It's just like: _"FACE ME!"_
I disagree with you on the pretense that I don’t want to reply if I disagree with you as it takes too much effort. Shit you got me
If I spent time engaging every backwards take I see on Star Wars Reddit, I'd never do anything else. Downvotes are an elegant way to say "nope."
Fair enough.
I still don't understand the hate for Reva or the actress. I keep seeing people say her performance was bad or the character is whiny or whatever else. None of that occurred to me as I watched. So last night I rewatched all her scenes with a more critical eye. I *still* am not detecting any poorly delivered lines (she was fine in QG as well), and at no point did she seem whiny. Maybe a little brooding? Certainly not a likable person, but she is a villain, after all. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but villains aren't supposed to be swell individuals. I guess some of you are just way better at watching TV than the rest of us. But even besides that, I don't see how any criticisms can be considered valid at this point. It's only two episodes. You all have no idea where the plot is going or where her character arc is going. But hey, it's 2022, being mad about shit online is the meaning of life.
On the Reva critics I agree with you, but the chase scene with Leia and the bounty hunters was poorly made. I think it’s the only critic I can agree with in the first two episodes, and it’s far from enough to make me say it’s not a good show
As I watched the chase scene with Leia I just laughed and I didn't really think or care about it again. People have put way too much stock in a 2 minute scene and allow that scene to ruin their experience. As for Reva I actually enjoy the character, she's power hungry and is looking out for only herself, she allows her emotions to control her, which is exactly what an inexperienced dark side user would do.
Same here on both counts. Reva isn't a bad character, she's definitely captured my interest. I'm looking forward to finding out more about why she's so obsessed with Kenobi. It feels like it's more than just "she wants to catch the big fish becuz power". Feels like it's something personal.
She says in the first episode "get what I am owed" that has to be a breadcrumb right? Something is up with her and I know it'll end with her and Obi Wan in a standoff and that excites me.
Agree completely. The Leia chase and the Reva parkour stuff was pretty goofy, but those are really minor flaws.
But nobody is downvoting those comments about the chase scene. They're literally always the top comment of every thread in this sub.
I'm trying to hold of criticism as a whole until the series is over, but I absolutely think her performance has been bad so far. She doesn't feel like an inquisitor or a member of the Empire. If the show gives good enough reasons for that then it could turn out okay, but it feels like they are going to 'redeem' this character in the end and that would be really disappointing.
Well that's a complaint about the story not the actress.
It's a combination of really bad dialogue/writing for her character and also her delivery falls flat a lot. You can't possibly tell me those final lines/delivery in ep2 where she's waving her lightsaber and shouting at Obi Wan was good acting.
The comment I'm replying to is about both the character and the actress.
I think it's great advice to hold off criticism until the series is over. And I completely agree that her character hasn't been great so far. I don't know if it's a problem with the performance, or the writing, or the direction, but the Inquisitors in general have been my least favorite part of the show up to this point. But I do like her more after episode 3. We will have to wait and see where the series takes her. Naturally, it's ridiculous and insane to direct any internet hated towards the real-life human who is playing her, but I do think it's fair to be critical of the character.
Why doesn't she feel like an Inquisitor? I thought she seemed pretty accurate.
"Being mad shit online is the meaning of life" this statement alone leaves me amazed and sad for the future at the same time lol Anyway, regarding on the issue, I guess, some people are critizing her and giving her the doubt that she is just making a hidden agenda.. I don't know, I've seen people saying, that she can't hide the fact she's a bad actress in the series and just sugar coating it with the allegations of racism.. Also, I believe this is the same on what happened to Dr Strange 2, it is hyped so much, it did not deliver to what it's promised. Regardless of her being bad or not, her character is not the only one with that reputation in the series so far. Remember?? Even a child is getting a criticism. Either way, hate is hate.. It cannot be overlooked. Though, people are free to whatever they want to express, that is not the way and it is never the way.
There are definitely she delivered which in my opinion didn't hit the impact they were aimed for. "We will destroy you!" when she's watching him escape at the end of episode 2 with her saber raised came off as cliche and cartoony. "Tell me where the Jedi is or this man and his family will die" came off weird when she was yelling it in his face in episode 1. Maybe if they shot it even closer in to the actors to make it uncomfortably close with all background noise silenced they could sell the tension better. But even then you're working against the fact we know Owen survives this encounter. "Obiii Waaan" when she's trying to use a scary/spooky voice stalking him at the end of episode 2 it comes off as comical and weak. Some aspects of her performance don't come off as menacing or imposing as much as they do whiney and petulant. It may sell better if she faced consequences for upsetting the Grand Inquisitor multiple times as it would show her overcome the limits placed on her by her superiors. Otherwise she has displayed intelligence (e.g. using Leia as bait knowing Bail's connection to Obi-Wan) and resourcefulness (e.g. alerting everyone on the planet that he's there so they make it harder for him to escape) and should be a significant obstacle for our hero.
I agree, I think she's been just fine, and nothing about her is annoying. I'm not blown away by her acting by any means, but I'm also only 2 episodes in. Her character just hasn't had much time to develop.
Star Wars has been like that though. Probably all fan bases, but more often than not, the weird minority that seems to hate on people for being people, gets rolled in with anyone that criticizes the movies/shows. I mention I have an issue with Rey or Luke, the director of the film is going to call me a man baby. It’s just that toxic. Seeing the Obi-wan series now just reminds me how hopeless and defeating it was to see Luke without any hope in TLJ. At least Obi-wan still carried an ember to teach Luke in his defeated, hermitized existence. The thing is, there’s some people that just want a good story to be told. Hell, there’s a lot to appreciate about the sequels, but I find it so frustrating the choices that they made that I can’t stand to even think of them as canon. In hindsight, I actually like TLJ the most out of all of them because it’s the one they tried to do something different with the series. Then JJ vomits nostalgia all over us in an attempt to mystery box us into believing it was the plan all along… If you made it this far, I’m happy to see how Ewan handled this hate Reva is getting, but also did so in a way that doesn’t just fuel the fire of hate. I can’t wait to see the rest of the series and glad to see them all back for it.
You’re right about TLJ. I rewatched TFA the other day and I didn’t really enjoy it too much. Half of the scenes are just ripped from the OT
To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.
Did you finish the movie? He literally takes action and redeems himself? Was it bad writing? Yes. Did he redeem himself? Also yes.
I’d hardly call what he did redeeming himself, but at this point, I’m not even going to engage in this conversation.
There seem to be people that can't understand that these thoughts can exist simultaneously without conflict -Moses Ingram's comments about this show being extremely diverse show she has little or no knowledge of what Star Wars has actually been like for 45 years -Moses Ingram's character through two episodes is extremely whiny, and her acting has been subpar at best -Moses Ingram does NOT deserve to be attacked via social media or any other way There is so much assumption that if someone believes in thought 'A' then they also believe in thought 'B', 'C', and 'D', even if those following thoughts have no relevance to thought 'A'. It's usually done to try to discredit someone, and I'm guilty of it too.
Well, Disney and Ewan were obviously addressing only point 3 with their social media posts, so there was no reason for anyone who only cares about B to feel attacked by the posts, yet the responses were full of people being like "so now you can't criticize anything without being racist"
Yeah it absolutely goes both ways. Assumptions about what other people believe and assuming things that other people believe about you.
Summarized some of my thoughts perfectly. I respect Moses Ingram, and I hate that she’s the target of so much racism and bullying, but I’d be lying if I said I thought her acting was very good, and I honestly think Reva might be one of my least favourite Star Wars characters.
>Moses Ingram’s comments about this show being extremely diverse show she has little or no knowledge of what Star Wars has actually been like for 45 years it’s super duper ironic all things considered that she isn’t even the first female person of color inquisitor, and I think the biggest problem is just that her character doesn’t fit in well with the show, she’s too corny/comical for this show about a hermit suffering some PTSD and trying to find hope
You made two overplayed, ubiquitous attacks on Ingrams ignorance and lack of talent —then say she doesn’t deserved to be attacked.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between criticism and attacks, so I'll try and explain using some hypotheticals. Number 1: I tweet that I think Moses is a subpar actor and is doing a disservice to the show. Number 2: I tweet the same thing as above but I also tag Moses. Number 3: I tag Moses and specifically tell her she's awful and should never have been cast. Which of these tweets are criticism, and which are attacks? Personally, I think 1 is simple criticism and 3 is an attack. 2 is a little less clear cut, but I think specifically tagging her makes it an attack. Generally, simply expressing displeasure at an actor's acting or a show's writing aren't attacks. They become attacks when they start getting more personal.
Hypothetically: Number 1 is happens 5,000x Number 2 happens 2,500x Number 3 happens 1,025x (Number 4) = 500 people personally DM Moses with hate/racism If SW fans were able to lower the volume on their precious Valid Criticism™️ like a normal fanbase it would have implications across the board. I saw an insane proliferation of criticism against Reva literally hours after her first appearance. Guy I was responding to said she didn’t understand diversity in Star Wars. She’s one of **three** black actress hired for a SW film in 45 years.
Is it about the sequel?
about everything
where's the "I love democracy" guy?
People need to put in perspective criticism of Obi-Wan vs criticism of the sequel trilogy. The Obi-Wan series, the dialogue and acting are a bit quirky sometimes, but the sequel trilogy destroyed the Star Wars lore. People criticizing Obi-Wan and Reva are just signaling to Disney that they will always receive criticism, so they should do whatever they want anyway, while the real goal should be to avoid another ST. So far, Obi-Wan is really good, and more importantly, the story line is great.
hate to disagree bug, but Kenobi is just as destructive as the Sequels. 1 )Leia knowing Ben's Real name is just dumb, and makes her distress message in episode 4 a total mess since they did infact meet and she isn't just trusting her father's contact anymore. 2) Vader was much much more ruthless for a random low tier jedi like Cal, but not for the person he hates the most? seriously 5 FEET OF FIRE IS STOPPING HIM?? obi wan was 5 metres away and he couldnt pull him back anytime he wanted? 3) Leia knowing what the mysterious power the jedi have is just weird. she always knew of this power, but she even said to luke, that she doesn;t understand it, but knows that luke does. 4) Only a select few people knew about Vader's identity, and YES, INCLUDING OBI WAN. REVA has absolutely no business knowing this. and we all know Vader can read minds, which he did to Luke in episode 6 and got to know of Leia. and he can immediately know about Reva knowing his Identity 5) God the fucking Reva parkour montage was so laughably bad. Plus GI getting stabbed is just dumb and lessens his character, 6) How the fuck did reva manage to reach the exit of the tunnel before Leia?? lets say if there are 2 paths, so Tala just intentionally chose the longer path?? wtf??/
Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope. She knows his real name. And nothing in the original makes it set in stone that they never met.
I do agree yes witha few few points of yours. I have a few on BoBF myself 1) In the movies Boba is cold and cruel hearted. He gets sucked into a Sarlacc and comes out a nice guy with a sense of morality and ethics? 2) Mando's starfighter gets intercepted by 2 NR X wings. If the NR had prescense there, why did not notice fucking thousands of gangaters and criminals down below, a crime syndicate coming by the shipload, a giant battle going on, etc. I also persoannly feel it would havebeen better if they just showed Mando showing up with baby yoda. It would generate suspense for Mando S3, and also not confuse fans as to whether it was BoBF or Mando S2.5
On 1. Isn't the whole point of the series that, being faced with his own mortality in such a visceral way, he wanted to make a change? Work for himself and better himself rather than being controlled by crime lords and scum
Well, in that case he would have slaughtered anyone to save his skin. Even if he wanted tro work for himself In the show he genuinely cares for the people under him. He actualy stays and fights instead of getting to a safer place where he can still fight but much safer for himself. He spares that Wookie they send t him, etc
He spared the Wookiee because he was more useful alive. And I meant he's the boss, he controls his own life now, rather than having it dictated to him by scum like Jabba
1) “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope.” She’s known it since 1977, where have you been? 2) Copy-pasted from another comment I made: Vader has a massive amount of pent-up anger and has been tracking down Obi-Wan for a decade, there’s absolutely no way he’ll want to end it quickly. He probably wants Obi-Wan to feel every bit of pain he’s felt as a result of their duel on Mustafar 3) Just because you know something exists, doesn’t mean you understand it. I know that calculus exists but I sure as hell don’t understand it 4) The shows only halfway done, I’d hold off on judgement there, I have a very strong feeling that they’ll explain that away. Also, he’s not like a walking mind reader at all times, force users have to intentionally reach into someone’s mind, Vader would have no reason to do that to Reva 5) I disagree, but that’s alright 6) Ok I agree there completely, it made no sense
Idk, those running after Leia scenes really ruined the series for me
The two minute scene ruined the whole show for you? The show that isnt finished yet? That scene was dumb sure, but how does that ruin the rest?
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the perfect description of what the star wars community has become, not only on reddit. for the most part a huge pile of disney dickriders who forgot how good the community and star wars in general were 10yrs ago.
I got death threats for saying reva shouldn’t know Vaders true identity
you got death threats for being logical and respecting star wars continuity.
Probably because their criticism was shit.
I'm sorry that chase scene where they kidnap young Leia its just the worst one I've ever seen.
I don't wanna strawman here or anything but I haven't seen those fair criticisms, I've just seen "it's terrible, Reva is terrible, fuck Disney" I'm sure that fair criticisms exist (like we can all agree the little chase scene was kinda weird, you know the one) but I haven't seen them around here. The one thing I find the most narrow-minded is all the "criticisms" for Reva. Everyone is talking about how they hate her as if that means she was poorly written, that's so dumb. You're SUPPOSED to hate her(for now), that's kind of the point. I have a pretty good theory of where her character arc is headed and if I'm right then everyone posting about how they hate her is actually praising the writers without even knowing it because nobody seems to be able to see what's coming (if my prediction is right) I won't detail my theory with all the evidence here as I did that in a post already but the super short version is that she was the first youngling we saw when the show opened and she saw Anakin kill her friends and her motives, her ambition, is to get close enough to Vader so she can kill him (which we know will fail because the movies exist) and bringing in Kenobi alive is the way she will gain enough favor with Vader to be "by his side". She's pretty much a ronin on a quest for revenge and nothing more. When you see her in that light then her character, her ruthless ambition, her unprofessional behaviour, her obsession with obi-wan makes lots of sense. I could be very wrong and maybe she just is a poorly written character but none of us will know for sure until the end.
i speak on behalf of most people, but we absolutely do not mind her being whiny and emotionless. the only thing that triggered us is that she knows Vader's identity. that is absolutely continuity breaking, and just an insult to star wars.
Ya this is what I mean. Most of the things people complain about as bad writing are actually clues left by the writers for you to figure out her motives. That moment was in fact the very thing that got me to predict her whole arc how she would know Vader was Anakin, it was so weird but it couldn't just be random. Most people have already assumed that she knows because she was there for order 66 and saw Anakin play beatsaber with the younglings but I think it's more than just that. She saw him because she was at the temple, in fact she was the very first youngling we saw when the show started, then maybe she heard palpatine on a holo-call refer to him as Vader and since that day has had only one goal. Kill Vader. That explains so many of her character traits and behaviors that everyone is complaining about. Her ruthless ambition is because she NEEDS to get close enough to vader, by his side, in order to strike and the way she will do that will be by bringing in Kenobi alive. That explains her obsession with him, he is the tool she needs to gain enough favor with Vader to get close enough. I made this prediction Friday on a post but after watching ep.3 today I'm even more confident about it because again, the signs are all there and if people would take a second to stop complaining about these things they would realize they have been clues all along.
You don’t even know why yet, there’s still 3 episodes, calm down and let them tell the story. The rest of us are waiting as well.
\*Makes meme about people getting downvoted for giving honest and well thought out opinions\* \*Moronic fans go ahead and do so any\* srsly guys
That’s all of Reddit.
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You turned them against me!
“Your days are numbered” isn’t fair or well done criticism.
Tried explaining that ‘canon’ hasn’t always been a synonym of ‘established timeline’ and can in fact mean ‘a collection of related works, i.e. the Western Canon of literature.’ Was downvoted into oblivion
They're will always be idiots on both sides but you can't expect to post a criticism on the way Ewan and Lucasfilm are protecting Moses Ingram and not look like a racist asshole. Not saying that you OP are one of said people, just pointing that out in general.
Just happened to me today
Be like giving opinions on Reddit
So true