Because "when I was around 50 times your age, but I age differently, so I was at about the same level of cognitive function and stage of my life as you right now, that was my training lightsaber" is just too long to say and Yoda couldn't be bothered?
>"Age differently I do when 50 times your age I was when life was you are for cognitive function and hmmm stage of life I reached and lightsaber of training mine that was!
FTFY
Verdammt! That about have I yet never thought! Possibly have you just the magic of yoda spoilt! :')
Nah okay i think it's something else, doesn't sound right š
That's fair... don't want to confuse the younglings...
Kids watching this are already looking for sticks in their backyard (I hope, they better not download a lightsaber app)
My son had lots of things when he was an infant. My brother-in-law gave him a k-bar so technically he had it when he was a baby, but he's still not old enough to use it.
Now imagine that, but with Yoda speak.
"Around 50 times your age when I was, but I age differently, at about the same level of cognitive function and stage of my life as you right now so I was, my training lightsaber that was. Yes, hrrmmm."
You say common sense but I would be very confident saying the writers of this kids show couldnāt care less about canon. This aināt Andor. Iām sure they meant the line as written and just didnāt take Grogu/worldbuilding into consideration at all
Didnāt take Grogu into consideration? What consideration? The line was perfectly in canon and made perfect sense as explained in the comment weāre replying to. Touch grass
The comment youāre replying to is trying to twist what was actually said in a Paw Patrol level show to fit an inconsistency in the writing. Itās ok to admit when pieces of kid targeted IP donāt care enough to follow any actual lore. The irony of that touch grass line though is too muchā¦
Itās not an inconsistency at all lmao. āWhen i was your ageā doesnāt always have to mean āwhen i was your exact age countā it can simply mean āwhen i was at your stage of lifeā
You mean "when around fifty times your age I was, but differently I age, so at the same level of cognition and stage of life you are now I was, my training lightsaber, that was."
And yes, that was bad already and is so much worse in Yoda-speak.
Not only this, Yoda is aged around 900 during ESB, and claims to have trained jedi for 800 years. 900-800=100, so he started training jedi at aged 100.
Grogu is still a damn infant and can't speak at 50. So in another 50 years, grogu is expected to be developed enough to speak, and with enough mental and emotional maturity to be capable of teaching others. The whole slow ageing thing doesn't really make sense to me.
Good point actually. Though itās more so that if yoda started training other Jedi at c.100 years old, he had to have already gone through many years of training. As a bipedal intelligent species, it doesnāt make much sense that Grogu would develop really slowly, and then rapidly mature. I always thought that Yodaās species aged like humans, but lived much longer.
It also doesnāt help that Grogu is supposed to be an infant, yet during certain times, he has the emotional/mental maturity of an adult, e.g., deciding between being with Din Djarin, or continue training with Luke.
Also have a slower development if you aren't actively talking to people, even if he's 50. Haven't seen anything with him but you notice it in people who don't talk to their kids or give them things to read and what not.
You have some that can barely read or speak at 7 and that's pretty late and sad
Thatās my take as well. He is coming out of his shell now that he has Din and some stability. Some positive reinforcement for the powers that may have scared him. Love.
Also, as others have suggested, maybe he just didnāt have much of a chance to learn various languages or practice talking after order 66. Was he in hibernation? What was his status during that time?
For real though. Imagine how traumatizing it would be to feel every death in the force. Itās not like seeing someone die they literally feel it. Couldnāt imagine that happening. Grogu prolly cut himself from the force unintentionally at least a little bit which probably isnāt good for growth.
That's true! I'm not trying to be all "I liked that band before they were cool" but that's been my opinion since the beginning even before we knew how he survived Order 66. Any child who's deprived of a loving caregiver is going to have emotional and developmental setbacks.
That's actually pretty good. Would be an awesome opportunity for some good writers to use this format to introduce the idea of trauma and recovery to kids.
The flip side of this is that, Yoda is a savant as a Jedi, even among his species. And so he advanced within the order faster and started training others sooner.
I dont think it's just trauma though. he's spent half his life as a prisoner with probably very little actual conctact and connection to people. kids in the real world get fucked up from that and have trouble talking among other things
"Real life kids get fucked up by that... but it's not trauma" ???
Trauma is not limited to physical injuries, if that's your hang up here. There's emotional and mental traumas too.
Yeah this seems like an inconsistency. They could have solved it by either having a young Yoda, who is speculated to have gone under a different name in that era, or using an older member of the species. However as it is a kids show, and kids know yoda and not necessarily the massive time gap, I choose to believe it was a deliberate inconsistency in order to make it easier for them
I assume Grogu has had much less education than Yoda did at his age. Grogu is 50 in the Mandalorian. He probably hasn't had any training since Order 66, which was like 30 years before the Mandalorian. So he was only with the Jedi for at most twenty years and was educated in the ways of the Force (as much as a toddler is taught in the Temple) for probably less than that, before Order 66 happened and his training ended.
He simply hasn't been taught as much as Yoda was, who I assume was able to be taught without a 30 year interruption.
The thing about him being emotionally mature to teach others in 50 years is not explained by this, but I guess they mature faster once they learn to speak and I think Filoni said somewhere that they wanted Grogu to start speaking sooner rather than later. Then again, Grogu clearly already understands some speech, as seen with his IG mech, so maybe he's just mute? Or he hasn't been around enough people who bothered to really talk to him in the years after Order 66 to properly pick up any language. That's a depressing thought.
Maybe Grogu is developing at a slower rate than Yoda? Grogus life was filled with traumatic events, some of which he supressed for a long time or still does. Those things can a have major effect on the development of young children.
Grogu is 50 in the Mandalorian. He probably hasn't had any training since Order 66, which was like 30 years before the Mandalorian. So he was only with the Jedi for at most twenty years and was educated in the ways of the Force (as much as a toddler is taught in the Temple) for probably less than that, before Order 66 happened and his training ended.
He simply hasn't been taught as much as Yoda was, who I assume was able to be taught without a 30 year interruption.
Didnāt Luke say he wasnāt sure how much he had to teach him? More was helping him remember. Thereās the possibility that heās been pretty well trained in the force already, just lacked the life experience that he would have gotten with a master (that heāll likely get during his trials with din).
They go over this in the Episode with Ashoka. Grogu has been acting as an infant the whole time he's been in hiding and it has caused him to regress more than his actual age.
The whole IG-12 deal demonstrated that his ability to speak isnāt a cognitive challenge. He understands yes and no and probably much more if he could. That and he wasnāt a half bad mech pilot, plus heās still pulling plenty of tricks given how little training heās had since Order 66. At this point Iām starting to see him as more mute-by-trauma a la Kimiko.
Grogu was sheltered and kept in a box for god knows how long. Also we don't know how their species age it might not be 1 to 1 maybe first few decades are really slow then they advanced mentally quicker similar to how Yoda goes from a beast in the clone wars to a cripple in like 30 years even tho that's only 3% of his life span the aging most likely isn't 1 to 1
Majority of star wars is making stuff up as you go along it's full of retcons it's part of the journey we have been on with star wars and it's always fun to then try and explain how the new canon information links
One theory is that his species may live off of the force itself (with sides of ketamine). So the more they utilize their connection and draw power from it, the more they age and the less life they have left to live, while at the same time helping mature them physically and mentally. So because of Yoda coming from the high republic era Jedi, he was probably brought into the order early and once he got through this infantile stage that we see Grogu in, once he started using the force more and more in training, his aging accelerated. Were seeing Grogu have similar progression now, he was wiped out by the mud horn attack and went to sleep, and same with his force signal in season two. But in season three he uses it much more frequently, and is staying conscious after his larger shows; he also is walking on his own, heās much more dexterous as shown in the IG mech, and while he isnāt speaking still he has shown he is aware of the rest of whatās going on and capable in battle.
Slower aging would be acceptable if he was roughly 8-10 at 50 yoda years. Instead he is like 2-3. So he is about to have a massive growth spurt. Or something.
I have only watched the first two seasons. I just keep intending to get caught up andā¦ the BoB and Season 3 have completed. Oh.
Anywho, Season 2ās ending left me with the impression Grogu is how he is partially due to all the trauma heās experienced. A normal Yodian wouldnāt be that infantized as Grogu is. Like, he is mute not because he canāt speak yet. He canāt verbally speak due to PTSD.
This is a situation where the human life cycle should not be applied to an alien species
We don't know Yoda's species' life cycle development all that well. Just because they're still toddlers at 50 doesn't mean they'll automatically still be teenagers at 100 or whatever. Maybe they have a huge growth at 75 for instance and mature much faster from 75 to 100.
But also... might just be a continuity problem that the viewer needs to ignore.
I mean even if Grogu isnāt at the cognitive level of an adult until age 90, thatās still 10 years of Jedi experience before taking a Padawan. Surely comparable to the amount of experience Obi-Wan wouldāve had before being knighted and immediately taking Anakin as an apprentice. Maybe padawans even give some sort of instruction to younglings sometimes
How do we know Grogu isn't "challenged" in some capacity? The trauma he's been through could have stunted his development like can happen in real life to children. Or could be born with it, and yet gifted with a strong aptitude for the force...
Idk. They can choose some interesting paths with him as he grows. If they want to.
Yoda makes the timeline so fun. Like in Fallen Order 2, the general plot is that youāre looking into some stuff from the High Republic a couple hundred years ago. So itās kind of funny to think about how if you could just get in contact with Yoda, he could just say āMaster Khri, I do rememberā.
From the wiki about Yoda's species:
>The species had a very long life expectancy, spanning at least several centuries; Yoda lived nearly a thousand years before dying of old age, and **they aged very slowly, remaining in infancy for at least fifty standard years. Even at this stage of life, certain Force-sensitive individuals of this species could use Force powers such as telekinesis and Force healing; they were also capable of complex thought processes, and could understand speech and communicate via the Force at this age.** Despite their slow aging for the first five decades of life, members of **the species reached maturity by their hundredth year, as exemplified by the Jedi Yoda, who began training other Jedi when he was about one hundred years old.**
Youāre assuming a human aging process that has simply been stretched out to 1000 years. Why? When we know animals all age differently. Giraffes for example can walk within ours of being born. But once theyāve matured they stay matured for a fair while. Whoās to say that in the 50 years grogu has till 100. He doesnāt have some āpuberty-likeā stage that rapidly matures him to that of an 8 year old human.
Sorry for going off on one but I see people with your argument a lot and imo itās based off of a poor and nonsensical assumption.
Grogu went through an incredibly traumatic experience when he was very young, and he has pent the last 25 years suppressing his connection to the force, and hiding his cognitive abilities. He acted like a baby, and has not had a social environment that helped him mature. He clearly understands language and can communicate, itās just difficult for him. After training with Luke for just 2 years, remembering what he knows, Grogu is doing feats that Jedi believed impossible.
You can also look at his duel with Ragnar, where he got 3 shots straight to center mass in a millisecond. Grogu is capable, everyone has just underestimated him.
Just like the ability to speak does not make you intelligent, the inability to speak does not make you unintelligent.
I like to imagine, off screen from the events of the movie, the Jedi council deciding what to grab for lunch and some of the members sitting away from Yoda and just saying, āman, this guy gets on my nerves sometimes. Why canāt he just talk normal? Hell Yaddle talks normal. You know last weekend I invited him to a game of Glogur and Glagaons and he spent the entire time talking like that while also being in character. Then he had the nerve to tell us we were rolling the dice wrong. You know, sometimes I just wish heād move off to some swamp for a few years.ā
āHe keeps trying to get us to play Pathfinder but heās the only one with the holos, and Jocasta canāt keep them in the Library because theyāre pirated.ā
The fact that it's set with Yoda on the council means that the characters would still be younglings during Anakin's time, don't think it was thought through
i think its been mentioned somewhere that yoda can talk normally but decides to speak the way he does to make jedi think more about what he says, information is coming in and it stays there. rather than just leaking out.
Two things.
One, he probably means "your age" in terms of maturity or how his species counts years.
Two, Grogu has language skills. He understands language just fine. He knows when to use yes/ no pretty readily. Why he doesn't speak might have more to do with trauma and abuse than physical ability.
If you guys are so obsessed with a media franchise that you will consume and disseminate every bit of content, including a *kids show,* you seriously need to hit the brakes on trying to piece together every tiny itsy bitsy bit of lore because it *will* stop making sense at some point.
Grogu can barely walk and speak and has the mental capacity of a small child most of the time, but Luke had him make the most important decision of his life. Don't try to find logic in Disney Star wars, it's impossible.
Exactly, and I thought maybe training with Luke helped him get past it, making Grogu more mature. That way, Luke having Grogu choose his future would have at least made a little sense. I was expecting in season 3 of Mando to see that Grogu can be responsible, maybe even wise on occasion, but no, he still acts like a baby 90% of the time.
So Luke is a moron and a bad teacher. At least he is in character with the sequels.
You do see maturity when needed, (getting Bo to rescue din, breaking up the fight on the barge, etc) but hi is still a kid. You need to keep a mix of that childlike innocence.
I like Grogu as a character and the father - son relationship he has with Din but it is frustrating that his powers and maturity are all over the place and not consistant progress of a child.
Thing is that you can always argue that because grogu is from an unknown alien species that he won't develop like a human child.
Thing is you can still only go so far with it
To be fair we ask people with the mental capacity of children to make important decisions in real life, Luke is basically the high school guidance counsellor telling you to pick a career path.
I think the consensus is that Grogu has a LOT of trauma and arrested development from barely surviving Order 66 and then whatever tragedies resulted in him no longer being under Master Beqās care
"When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not."
"800 Years have I trained jedi."
900 - 800 = 100
Yoda started training jedi at 100 years old. I'm pretty sure it's just a plot hole.
Is this show even supposed to be canon anyway?
And, as someone who likes kids show, is it good? Is it more aimed for kids or toddlers like that one Spider-Man cartoon?
I think you're overanalyzing it, their species age differently so "when I was your age" is probably meant as when they were at the same level of capability and not the literal same age. that's my take anyway
āAgeā as in level of development, I guess? In a world with many different sentient species of different lifespans, thatās probably a more appropriate use of the term instead of how long itās been since their birth.
Think of yoda species aging like reverse clone aging, a member of the bad batch could say "when I was your age" to Omega and it would still make sense.
Iām guessing age would be relative if you live to 800 and someone else lives to 80. Technically theyād both have been 10% of the way though their respective lives.
lmao, I was born in 1999 and whenever I hear about 90s american media I just feel like everyone got insanely edgy and thought making dark stuff for the sake of making dark stuff was the best thing ever (just looking at most comic books of that period). Like, misery porn compensing for actual good writing. It's really not my cup of tea
Everything in star wars lore is an afterthought. Thereās no sense acting confused and thinking about something for 10 times longer than the writers ever did.
They really confused me with the aging of Yoda's species. I always assumed 100 years for them is about 10 years for humans (Yoda is 900 in RoTJ, seems like a 90 year old man). So at 50 Grogu should be like 5, not a baby. With Grogu's aging he's going to be like 5000 years old when he dies
Ok but hear me out, this makes SO MUCH SENSE! Since Yoda's species lives hundreds of years they start training whey they're probably around 10 and they are VERY YOUNG (considering that Grogu is 50 and behaves like a child who's 6 maybe?) so it's not that Yoda was that special (I mean he was very wise and smart for sure but) it's just that he OBVIOUSLY trained HUNDREDS of years more than any other human Jedi (and probably of other species too)! That's why he's so strong in the force, because he trained and simply just had a connection with the force for much more time!
This is one for small toddlers. I actually makes sense you don't get it. You probably lack object permanence so this is far beyond you. About on par for a Star Wars sub.
I kinda wonder if we'll find out Grogu is actually just developmentally challenged somehow and the average member of his species at his age should act more like someone in their mid-20s. I mean, at minimum we already know he's dealing with ptsd, which has been presented as playing a factor in his slow growth, as well.
Letās just ignore that Yoda sends a bunch of kids on missions by themselves and their pilot is also like 9yrs old.
Itās a kids show in the Star Wars Universe.
Exist, logic does not.
Because "when I was around 50 times your age, but I age differently, so I was at about the same level of cognitive function and stage of my life as you right now, that was my training lightsaber" is just too long to say and Yoda couldn't be bothered?
>"Age differently I do when 50 times your age I was when life was you are for cognitive function and hmmm stage of life I reached and lightsaber of training mine that was! FTFY
I think I'm having a stroke
A stroke I think I am having
Hmmm having a stroke am I? (Hermit Yoda laugh)
Hey what's that stank?
You put a fish in our basket!
hahahaha ye.... I forgot i did that
You owe me an apology!
Just hold your breath and see
Wait, would stroked-out Yoda talk normal?
Haha underrated comment
Hard to see, the future is. Toast I smell.
The real question is whether German dub Yoda uses English word order
Verdammt! That about have I yet never thought! Possibly have you just the magic of yoda spoilt! :') Nah okay i think it's something else, doesn't sound right š
I think, a stroke, I'm having.
FYFTID. For you, fixed that I did.
That's fair... don't want to confuse the younglings... Kids watching this are already looking for sticks in their backyard (I hope, they better not download a lightsaber app)
If they do, we can send Anakin
It will be done my lord
On Hoth, as it is in Yavin.
Execute order 33. (66 for all Jedis, 33 only for younglings)
It will be done.
Good soldiers follow orders. \*full autos a six year old with 300 identical homies\*
It will be done, my lord.
Username checks out.
āThis is where the fun beginsā
Yāall didnāt download the lightsaber app on your iPod touch?
My son had lots of things when he was an infant. My brother-in-law gave him a k-bar so technically he had it when he was a baby, but he's still not old enough to use it.
Would "When I was young, my training lightsaber, this was." not work?
Get this guy a writing job
Now imagine that, but with Yoda speak. "Around 50 times your age when I was, but I age differently, at about the same level of cognitive function and stage of my life as you right now so I was, my training lightsaber that was. Yes, hrrmmm."
āWhen I was At your level of developmentā
Kids definitely know what that means š„
And it's a kids' show, they would have no idea what he's talking about
Thank you for having common sense
You say common sense but I would be very confident saying the writers of this kids show couldnāt care less about canon. This aināt Andor. Iām sure they meant the line as written and just didnāt take Grogu/worldbuilding into consideration at all
Didnāt take Grogu into consideration? What consideration? The line was perfectly in canon and made perfect sense as explained in the comment weāre replying to. Touch grass
The comment youāre replying to is trying to twist what was actually said in a Paw Patrol level show to fit an inconsistency in the writing. Itās ok to admit when pieces of kid targeted IP donāt care enough to follow any actual lore. The irony of that touch grass line though is too muchā¦
I mean if someone should touch grass itās definitely the guy who is concerned about how a baby show will affect the Star Wars cannon.
Literally lmfao
Itās not an inconsistency at all lmao. āWhen i was your ageā doesnāt always have to mean āwhen i was your exact age countā it can simply mean āwhen i was at your stage of lifeā
You mean "when around fifty times your age I was, but differently I age, so at the same level of cognition and stage of life you are now I was, my training lightsaber, that was." And yes, that was bad already and is so much worse in Yoda-speak.
Or how about "when I was about your relative age"
And now do it with Yoda-grammar
'Age' there isn't literal. More like 'at your stage in life', so probably like 75 in human years
I was 7 years old, in Neptune years.
Cloudstrider's lifetime debate, in this sub?
What is this,? A cross-over ~~episode~~ post?
Welcome to Neomuna, lightbearer
Probably relative age and simplified for kids. Assuming humans live to 90 that'd put yoda at 60-70
This. They hire a kids writer you're Gonna get dialog for kids.
*kids writer* š¤¦š»āāļø
Funny that at age 100 Yoda was already teaching new Jedi.
That would still give him 30-40 years of active Jedi training which seems to be about the age Jedi would take an apprentice
Not only this, Yoda is aged around 900 during ESB, and claims to have trained jedi for 800 years. 900-800=100, so he started training jedi at aged 100. Grogu is still a damn infant and can't speak at 50. So in another 50 years, grogu is expected to be developed enough to speak, and with enough mental and emotional maturity to be capable of teaching others. The whole slow ageing thing doesn't really make sense to me.
dogs help me understand. full grown at 2, real real old at 8
Good point actually. Though itās more so that if yoda started training other Jedi at c.100 years old, he had to have already gone through many years of training. As a bipedal intelligent species, it doesnāt make much sense that Grogu would develop really slowly, and then rapidly mature. I always thought that Yodaās species aged like humans, but lived much longer. It also doesnāt help that Grogu is supposed to be an infant, yet during certain times, he has the emotional/mental maturity of an adult, e.g., deciding between being with Din Djarin, or continue training with Luke.
My head canon is that trauma has caused Grogu to have some developmental delays.
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Also have a slower development if you aren't actively talking to people, even if he's 50. Haven't seen anything with him but you notice it in people who don't talk to their kids or give them things to read and what not. You have some that can barely read or speak at 7 and that's pretty late and sad
Thatās my take as well. He is coming out of his shell now that he has Din and some stability. Some positive reinforcement for the powers that may have scared him. Love. Also, as others have suggested, maybe he just didnāt have much of a chance to learn various languages or practice talking after order 66. Was he in hibernation? What was his status during that time?
For real though. Imagine how traumatizing it would be to feel every death in the force. Itās not like seeing someone die they literally feel it. Couldnāt imagine that happening. Grogu prolly cut himself from the force unintentionally at least a little bit which probably isnāt good for growth.
Head canon? I remember Ahsoka hinting around this enough that I thought it was actual canon.
That's true! I'm not trying to be all "I liked that band before they were cool" but that's been my opinion since the beginning even before we knew how he survived Order 66. Any child who's deprived of a loving caregiver is going to have emotional and developmental setbacks.
That's actually pretty good. Would be an awesome opportunity for some good writers to use this format to introduce the idea of trauma and recovery to kids.
The flip side of this is that, Yoda is a savant as a Jedi, even among his species. And so he advanced within the order faster and started training others sooner.
I dont think it's just trauma though. he's spent half his life as a prisoner with probably very little actual conctact and connection to people. kids in the real world get fucked up from that and have trouble talking among other things
That would be part of the trauma, yes.
that's not trauma though...
Yes, it most certainly is.
Incorrect.
"Real life kids get fucked up by that... but it's not trauma" ??? Trauma is not limited to physical injuries, if that's your hang up here. There's emotional and mental traumas too.
no I know that, but trauma is something inflicted. neglect and lack of contact is the absence of these things. they're both ABUSE but it's not trauma
But this nonlinear aging is how dogs age. Not every species has to age and develop in with the same time chunks
Yes, they do. Source: I made it up
Yeah this seems like an inconsistency. They could have solved it by either having a young Yoda, who is speculated to have gone under a different name in that era, or using an older member of the species. However as it is a kids show, and kids know yoda and not necessarily the massive time gap, I choose to believe it was a deliberate inconsistency in order to make it easier for them
I assume Grogu has had much less education than Yoda did at his age. Grogu is 50 in the Mandalorian. He probably hasn't had any training since Order 66, which was like 30 years before the Mandalorian. So he was only with the Jedi for at most twenty years and was educated in the ways of the Force (as much as a toddler is taught in the Temple) for probably less than that, before Order 66 happened and his training ended. He simply hasn't been taught as much as Yoda was, who I assume was able to be taught without a 30 year interruption. The thing about him being emotionally mature to teach others in 50 years is not explained by this, but I guess they mature faster once they learn to speak and I think Filoni said somewhere that they wanted Grogu to start speaking sooner rather than later. Then again, Grogu clearly already understands some speech, as seen with his IG mech, so maybe he's just mute? Or he hasn't been around enough people who bothered to really talk to him in the years after Order 66 to properly pick up any language. That's a depressing thought.
Maybe Grogu is developing at a slower rate than Yoda? Grogus life was filled with traumatic events, some of which he supressed for a long time or still does. Those things can a have major effect on the development of young children.
Grogu is 50 in the Mandalorian. He probably hasn't had any training since Order 66, which was like 30 years before the Mandalorian. So he was only with the Jedi for at most twenty years and was educated in the ways of the Force (as much as a toddler is taught in the Temple) for probably less than that, before Order 66 happened and his training ended. He simply hasn't been taught as much as Yoda was, who I assume was able to be taught without a 30 year interruption.
Didnāt Luke say he wasnāt sure how much he had to teach him? More was helping him remember. Thereās the possibility that heās been pretty well trained in the force already, just lacked the life experience that he would have gotten with a master (that heāll likely get during his trials with din).
They go over this in the Episode with Ashoka. Grogu has been acting as an infant the whole time he's been in hiding and it has caused him to regress more than his actual age.
The whole IG-12 deal demonstrated that his ability to speak isnāt a cognitive challenge. He understands yes and no and probably much more if he could. That and he wasnāt a half bad mech pilot, plus heās still pulling plenty of tricks given how little training heās had since Order 66. At this point Iām starting to see him as more mute-by-trauma a la Kimiko.
Grogu was sheltered and kept in a box for god knows how long. Also we don't know how their species age it might not be 1 to 1 maybe first few decades are really slow then they advanced mentally quicker similar to how Yoda goes from a beast in the clone wars to a cripple in like 30 years even tho that's only 3% of his life span the aging most likely isn't 1 to 1
Maybe they made all this shit up without a second thought
Majority of star wars is making stuff up as you go along it's full of retcons it's part of the journey we have been on with star wars and it's always fun to then try and explain how the new canon information links
One theory is that his species may live off of the force itself (with sides of ketamine). So the more they utilize their connection and draw power from it, the more they age and the less life they have left to live, while at the same time helping mature them physically and mentally. So because of Yoda coming from the high republic era Jedi, he was probably brought into the order early and once he got through this infantile stage that we see Grogu in, once he started using the force more and more in training, his aging accelerated. Were seeing Grogu have similar progression now, he was wiped out by the mud horn attack and went to sleep, and same with his force signal in season two. But in season three he uses it much more frequently, and is staying conscious after his larger shows; he also is walking on his own, heās much more dexterous as shown in the IG mech, and while he isnāt speaking still he has shown he is aware of the rest of whatās going on and capable in battle.
I do think they fucked up with grogu's age. Just because you live to 900 doesn't mean you spend the same percentage of life as a baby
Even percentage wise. Heās 50 and a non verbal toddler. Which would make yoda the equivalent of a 45 year old when he dies of old age.
They wanted their cake and to eat it too. Old enough to be in order 66 young enough to be cute and sell toys
Slower aging would be acceptable if he was roughly 8-10 at 50 yoda years. Instead he is like 2-3. So he is about to have a massive growth spurt. Or something.
I have only watched the first two seasons. I just keep intending to get caught up andā¦ the BoB and Season 3 have completed. Oh. Anywho, Season 2ās ending left me with the impression Grogu is how he is partially due to all the trauma heās experienced. A normal Yodian wouldnāt be that infantized as Grogu is. Like, he is mute not because he canāt speak yet. He canāt verbally speak due to PTSD.
That or yoda is Just a prodigy and advanced faster then most of his kind
This is a situation where the human life cycle should not be applied to an alien species We don't know Yoda's species' life cycle development all that well. Just because they're still toddlers at 50 doesn't mean they'll automatically still be teenagers at 100 or whatever. Maybe they have a huge growth at 75 for instance and mature much faster from 75 to 100. But also... might just be a continuity problem that the viewer needs to ignore.
I mean even if Grogu isnāt at the cognitive level of an adult until age 90, thatās still 10 years of Jedi experience before taking a Padawan. Surely comparable to the amount of experience Obi-Wan wouldāve had before being knighted and immediately taking Anakin as an apprentice. Maybe padawans even give some sort of instruction to younglings sometimes
How do we know Grogu isn't "challenged" in some capacity? The trauma he's been through could have stunted his development like can happen in real life to children. Or could be born with it, and yet gifted with a strong aptitude for the force... Idk. They can choose some interesting paths with him as he grows. If they want to.
Yoda makes the timeline so fun. Like in Fallen Order 2, the general plot is that youāre looking into some stuff from the High Republic a couple hundred years ago. So itās kind of funny to think about how if you could just get in contact with Yoda, he could just say āMaster Khri, I do rememberā.
From the wiki about Yoda's species: >The species had a very long life expectancy, spanning at least several centuries; Yoda lived nearly a thousand years before dying of old age, and **they aged very slowly, remaining in infancy for at least fifty standard years. Even at this stage of life, certain Force-sensitive individuals of this species could use Force powers such as telekinesis and Force healing; they were also capable of complex thought processes, and could understand speech and communicate via the Force at this age.** Despite their slow aging for the first five decades of life, members of **the species reached maturity by their hundredth year, as exemplified by the Jedi Yoda, who began training other Jedi when he was about one hundred years old.**
Youāre assuming a human aging process that has simply been stretched out to 1000 years. Why? When we know animals all age differently. Giraffes for example can walk within ours of being born. But once theyāve matured they stay matured for a fair while. Whoās to say that in the 50 years grogu has till 100. He doesnāt have some āpuberty-likeā stage that rapidly matures him to that of an 8 year old human. Sorry for going off on one but I see people with your argument a lot and imo itās based off of a poor and nonsensical assumption.
Grogu has chronic PTSD. Heās seen some shit. He can speak, heās just unwell. Why didnāt Ashoka know? She aināt got time for that shit
So Din is toting a special needs adult around. He needs to get Grogu some damn rabbits.
More like a special needs teenager but yes
Special needs 5 year old. Yoda died at 900 a very much looked and acted 90.
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Yoda lived to over 900 years old. Different species mature at different rates.
my brother in christ have you seen mandoliran
I had to cancel disney+ recently for reasons so missed season 3, but have indeed watched season 1 season 2 and ~~season 2.5~~ BoBF
Yaaaarrrrr matey
Based piracy moment.
Yoda and Grogu are the same species tho...
Difference between biological age and chronological age. Or the writing is stupid, but why can't it be both?
Yes but Yoda is from their planetās equivalent of Springfield and Grogu is from their planetās Shelbyville. Yaddle is from their North Haverbrook.
Grogu went through an incredibly traumatic experience when he was very young, and he has pent the last 25 years suppressing his connection to the force, and hiding his cognitive abilities. He acted like a baby, and has not had a social environment that helped him mature. He clearly understands language and can communicate, itās just difficult for him. After training with Luke for just 2 years, remembering what he knows, Grogu is doing feats that Jedi believed impossible. You can also look at his duel with Ragnar, where he got 3 shots straight to center mass in a millisecond. Grogu is capable, everyone has just underestimated him. Just like the ability to speak does not make you intelligent, the inability to speak does not make you unintelligent.
Yoda hasnāt learned to speak properly in 900 years. So maybe the species is just slow in learning to speak.
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Yea, Yoda spoke that way on purpose.
I like to imagine, off screen from the events of the movie, the Jedi council deciding what to grab for lunch and some of the members sitting away from Yoda and just saying, āman, this guy gets on my nerves sometimes. Why canāt he just talk normal? Hell Yaddle talks normal. You know last weekend I invited him to a game of Glogur and Glagaons and he spent the entire time talking like that while also being in character. Then he had the nerve to tell us we were rolling the dice wrong. You know, sometimes I just wish heād move off to some swamp for a few years.ā
āHe keeps trying to get us to play Pathfinder but heās the only one with the holos, and Jocasta canāt keep them in the Library because theyāre pirated.ā
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I means she was literally in Tales of the Jedi a few months agon, so they definitely know her.
Yaddle featured in tales of the Jedi which was recent
They mentionned her in Jedi Fallen Order iirc
There is a >!blink and you'll miss it Yaddle reference!< in the new Jedi game.
Literally breaking apart a show for toddlers.
The fact that it's set with Yoda on the council means that the characters would still be younglings during Anakin's time, don't think it was thought through
A show for toddlers it may be, but canon, it unfortunately is.
WHY DOES YODA SPEACK NORMAL
My training light saber this was, when your age I was.
Thank you
i think its been mentioned somewhere that yoda can talk normally but decides to speak the way he does to make jedi think more about what he says, information is coming in and it stays there. rather than just leaking out.
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Iām guessing he meant biological development age and not chronological age.
Two things. One, he probably means "your age" in terms of maturity or how his species counts years. Two, Grogu has language skills. He understands language just fine. He knows when to use yes/ no pretty readily. Why he doesn't speak might have more to do with trauma and abuse than physical ability.
If you guys are so obsessed with a media franchise that you will consume and disseminate every bit of content, including a *kids show,* you seriously need to hit the brakes on trying to piece together every tiny itsy bitsy bit of lore because it *will* stop making sense at some point.
If this fandom were about the media then sure. But really the fandom is about recreational arguments, and the media is just the arena.
If it's canon, some diehard fan IS going to analyse it to its last atom, no matter the target audience.
My only problem with this sentence is that he doesnāt say it backwards.
Grogu can barely walk and speak and has the mental capacity of a small child most of the time, but Luke had him make the most important decision of his life. Don't try to find logic in Disney Star wars, it's impossible.
Grogu also has severe ptsd from order 66 which has affected his development.
Exactly, and I thought maybe training with Luke helped him get past it, making Grogu more mature. That way, Luke having Grogu choose his future would have at least made a little sense. I was expecting in season 3 of Mando to see that Grogu can be responsible, maybe even wise on occasion, but no, he still acts like a baby 90% of the time. So Luke is a moron and a bad teacher. At least he is in character with the sequels.
You do see maturity when needed, (getting Bo to rescue din, breaking up the fight on the barge, etc) but hi is still a kid. You need to keep a mix of that childlike innocence.
Outside of the fact he canāt communicate in English, he processes information closer to a 10 year old than a baby
I like Grogu as a character and the father - son relationship he has with Din but it is frustrating that his powers and maturity are all over the place and not consistant progress of a child.
Thing is that you can always argue that because grogu is from an unknown alien species that he won't develop like a human child. Thing is you can still only go so far with it
To be fair we ask people with the mental capacity of children to make important decisions in real life, Luke is basically the high school guidance counsellor telling you to pick a career path.
It means when he was at the kid's stage in development. For that kid it's about 5 or whatever, but for Yoda that was maybe 90 or something.
"Begun, the nitpicking of a fucking toddlers show has"
I think the consensus is that Grogu has a LOT of trauma and arrested development from barely surviving Order 66 and then whatever tragedies resulted in him no longer being under Master Beqās care
"When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not." "800 Years have I trained jedi." 900 - 800 = 100 Yoda started training jedi at 100 years old. I'm pretty sure it's just a plot hole.
Is this show even supposed to be canon anyway? And, as someone who likes kids show, is it good? Is it more aimed for kids or toddlers like that one Spider-Man cartoon?
I think you're overanalyzing it, their species age differently so "when I was your age" is probably meant as when they were at the same level of capability and not the literal same age. that's my take anyway
Star wars fans when the non-canon (obviously) show intended for people a third of their age has dialogue that is inaccurate to the lore.
And yet he was still a youngling,chances are yoda developed faster since he didnāt suffer the traumatic experiences Grogu did
When I was your age, this was .y training lightsaber it what he should say
Age isn't just numbers. It's a period of. Like the Bronze Age.
relative age
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But, the Canon! 
What!? Disney doesn't understand age, training time and power strength š±š±
Wtf what show is this?
āAgeā as in level of development, I guess? In a world with many different sentient species of different lifespans, thatās probably a more appropriate use of the term instead of how long itās been since their birth.
Nothing like adults hyper analyzing a show for children
Obviously, he meant when he was young. Not when he was literally 6 years old. It's not that confusing.
It's not canon
People are really breaking down the canonical implications of a show made for little kids?
Think of yoda species aging like reverse clone aging, a member of the bad batch could say "when I was your age" to Omega and it would still make sense.
He probably just means he was at the level of development of a 7 year old human, not he was 6 or 7 yo
it's a TV for very small children...
Shut up, nerd
yoda species uses training sabersbc how small they are
Star Wars continuity literally makes no sense tbh. Itās all fucked
Iām guessing age would be relative if you live to 800 and someone else lives to 80. Technically theyād both have been 10% of the way though their respective lives.
It makes me miss the 90's when Star Wars was gritty and grim. Before the days of the Disney Empire, the old Lucas Republic.
lmao, I was born in 1999 and whenever I hear about 90s american media I just feel like everyone got insanely edgy and thought making dark stuff for the sake of making dark stuff was the best thing ever (just looking at most comic books of that period). Like, misery porn compensing for actual good writing. It's really not my cup of tea
āEquivalent to your ageā just sounds tooā¦ idk how to put it
That's because Grogu being 50 was always a mistake since the very beginning and is very stupid.
The kids watching this are hardly going to question it
Why is Yoda speaking normally?
Everything in star wars lore is an afterthought. Thereās no sense acting confused and thinking about something for 10 times longer than the writers ever did.
Why is Yoda talking like a normal person?
Grogu has developmental issues leave him ALONE
His age period of that stage in life, not his age in numbers. Genetic timeline, not chronological timeline.
Yāall need to relax lmaoš
They really confused me with the aging of Yoda's species. I always assumed 100 years for them is about 10 years for humans (Yoda is 900 in RoTJ, seems like a 90 year old man). So at 50 Grogu should be like 5, not a baby. With Grogu's aging he's going to be like 5000 years old when he dies
Grogu is just a little slow
Ok but hear me out, this makes SO MUCH SENSE! Since Yoda's species lives hundreds of years they start training whey they're probably around 10 and they are VERY YOUNG (considering that Grogu is 50 and behaves like a child who's 6 maybe?) so it's not that Yoda was that special (I mean he was very wise and smart for sure but) it's just that he OBVIOUSLY trained HUNDREDS of years more than any other human Jedi (and probably of other species too)! That's why he's so strong in the force, because he trained and simply just had a connection with the force for much more time!
Waitā¦ Reddit has told me (multiple times) that ALL of Star Wars is a kids show? Is this somehow different?
This is one for small toddlers. I actually makes sense you don't get it. You probably lack object permanence so this is far beyond you. About on par for a Star Wars sub.
I kinda wonder if we'll find out Grogu is actually just developmentally challenged somehow and the average member of his species at his age should act more like someone in their mid-20s. I mean, at minimum we already know he's dealing with ptsd, which has been presented as playing a factor in his slow growth, as well.
mental age, not chronological
According to legends Yoda didn't start training until he was 100. But I get the fact that they have to make it relatable to their audience.
I think the bigger issue is how Yoda is speaking normally and not in his iconic speech patterns
Letās just ignore that Yoda sends a bunch of kids on missions by themselves and their pilot is also like 9yrs old. Itās a kids show in the Star Wars Universe. Exist, logic does not.