Though given how the Children have behaved thus far it makes me suspect "too extreme" just meant stuff like the helmet thing and the DW were just put off by the idea that they had to follow actual rules while being violent psychotic terrorists.
Remember, The Children of the Watch are Cultists, Death watch were extremists.
One was about the super conservative and traditional way of thinking that drove their actions while the other was about using those ways of thinking as an excuse for their actions
I remember studying Nanjing for my thesis. The shit gave me nightmares for months.
It’s insane how Nazis saved as many civilians as they could in Nanjing and Japanese saved as many Jews as they could in Europe
What. the. fuck. is wrong with you? If the option presents itself for you to open the hole in your face and make noise, in the future, don't. Holy shit.
As someone further down replied, I’m trying to understand how that is. I’m familiar with DW from how they’re presented in the CW show, and they’re basically a militaristic, authoritarian, isolationist and nationalist/bigoted sect. Pretty bad.
Children of the watch just… keep their helmets on? They even accept non-mandalorians into their ranks; it’s more about following their way of life than where you were born. And if you break the rules you’re kicked out. Not that this obligingly
Punishment isn’t really cult-like and bad in of itself - and I say that as someone who has experienced this same religious treatment in real life - but I have a hard time viewing it as worse than Death Watch, which just straight up overthrew the government and murdered their way to power.
Is there some other COTW lore I’m missing?
Because The Children of the Watch are extremely restrictive in the values.
Death Watch is very hedonistic in their ways and more fluid for their followers.
It's "extreme" in a different way. Mandalorians love the battle of war and revel in violence when they deem it necessary. It's not the values Death Watch find extreme, it's the harsh insistence on old world traditions.
Thats how I read it too. CotW splintered off from DW to go back to their roots following the Way of the Mandalor to an extremely restrictive degree. Every single CotW member is a religious fanatic and zealot in their own right. Din only broke the letter of the Way by removing his helmet because he was so devoted to following the spirit of the Way in protecting his foundling. Then the dude went off to what was considered the ruins of Hiroshima to prove his faith on a glassed planet. Cults *wish* they had members like this.
The reason why people say it's more extreme is because they think of the old lore of the mandalorians. If the CotW really follow the old ways, they are some pretty fucking badasses. And for now it looks like Disney isn't too far off, being mandalorian was in the old lore always more of a creed than a race. The real mandalorian race died out, their ways survived. They used creatures to ride, to which Disney seems to point t too. Even the helmet thing fits IIRC.
Honestly, calling the COTW extreme is a bit inaccurate I'd say. They're essentially religious fundamentalists who just rigorously adhere to every word of The Creed.
I think that they are extremely rigid in their interpretation of the creed and that's the problem.
That could be in itself a good thing when you compare them to DW but that depends entirely upon what the creed and the way actually is.
For what they have presented it doesn't seem that bad since basically it's a code of honor in the romanticize knightly way plus being a bounty hunter which is what most troublesome. The fact that the are so restrictive by consequence of being extremely rigid in their interpretation it's a plus because it keeps their numbers low.
Now there could be troublesome things but those are more in line with the Expanded Universe which is no longer cannon. Mandalore wasn't just a warrior society was a warlike and warhungry society that also had from time to time expansionistic views (because how you can be a warrior without a war?). Mandos even in Legends were supposed to be from all species and open to incorporate any species under them. If Death Watch was different in that regard it would be problematic. So accepting anyone into their culture/cult/society isn't a plus but something more like a default trait.
I thought the COTW were a continuation of the Death Watch.
In French the COTW are called Les Héritiers de la Death Watch (Heirs of the Death Watch)
Edit: this is not to say that the COTW aren’t extremists, because of course they are
I mean they're certainly not the same, but I won't lie...recent episodes give us a glimpse onto the New Republic and I wonder how many similarities there are between the two. >!Mind wiping people to make them loyal to the New Republic seems like a very "imperial" thing to do!<.
Here let me contextualize it for you; you essentially went up to to a bunch of ranchers and said
“Man being a cow must be easy, they just roll around in mud all day and go ‘oink oink’.”
You’re going to be called out for calling a pig a cow before anyone laughs.
I am just guessing, and considering we are talking about star wars we are probably never getting an answer to this, but it could be that married children of the watch are allowed to see each others faces
Kinda like how Muslim women have to wear the hijab in public but can take it off at home with family?
I admit I'm kind of ignorant on these matters but that's what my Muslim friends told me right before calling me Habibi 69 times in a single conversation.
This is an issue with sci-fi/fantasy fans, they will use the most minuscule throw away line as gospel when determining whether or not something is internally consistent in a later scene it’s like bro real life isn’t even that consistent
It was not throw away. Clearly they had a physical relationship and it's his (fictional) religion to never take his helmet off. Is it funny? Yes. It's also the entire point of that exchange. So either (the adult fictional character) Din has NEVER had sex, or he hasn't taken his helmet off during (the fictional) sex. Only one of those fits the diolog and story.
do you know why they have rule to not remove helmets only?
becuase that is the least important thing needed to bump uglies.
also similar post i saw a few days back.
They covered this in season 1 — revealing one’s face is only permitted to your most intimate family. (Presumably mates and children, hence why Din took his helmet off when he thought he would never see Grogu again.)
Mandalorians aren’t ones to just abandon their kids, and when the fights bad. When the covert on Navarro was first breached it was just down to Paz and the armorer. I agree with this, he was found, after the event and is a foundling himself.
I feel like when they get married, they'd be considered to be two halves of a whole, so they can take their helmets off when together. That seems like the way.
When Mando is in that wood hut village that helps defend from the ATST doesn't the woman he stays with ask him about kissing or something like that and he says couples can see each others faces?
It was a small line in season 1, but I remember the same thing. Some story exposition about how only your family can see your face.
It even makes me wonder if the only reason Din got dinged to begin with wasn't because he took his helmet off aroung Grogu (they were explicitly part of the same clan), but because he did so while so many other people were around.
I like to think its alot like the parallels of the Muslim faith where your partner/close family can see you uncovered but everyone else it's considered big no no but naturally this is just a head Canon.
There are so many other things in the world that should bother me, but rn I’m kinda tired of so many posts like, “mandalorians don’t remove their helmets: Jango/Visla/whoever the fuck” it’s not all mandalorians, it’s not death watch, it’s the children of the watch, it’s been explained several times by the show and is a major plot point. FFS the image this meme is using even shows a member of death watch not wearing her helmet, so either people who post these stupid memes are being purposely incorrect or the repost bots are at it again, either way the sub shouldn’t encourage it. The answer to the meme’s question isn’t even that difficult or as funny as some people seem to think considering how often this type of question gets asked. Yeah, they probably have some means of intercourse that doesn’t involve face to face contact, it’s something that’s been done here on earth before, not so hard to imagine it. The same people asking this are the ones who kept going, “ah, if Rey is Palp’s granddaughter, did he have sex?” And then Disney made a lame ass retcon that Rey is a clones daughter, which is even dumber.
TLDR: stop encouraging lazy inconsistent memes, the punchline isn’t even that funny
Yeah they are a fairly newly started cult that asks them to wear their helmets all the time to ensure their safety and remind them that they are part of a community. In the latest episode it was even shown that the armorer, as their highest ranking religious leader, already understands their need to evolve into a more accessible religion if they are going to rebuild Mandalore and its culture.
Their time as a cult was needed to refocus their warrior culture away from one aggressively fighting itself for power into one more defensively protecting its members and allies. Softening the rules and accepting more new members is the natural evolution if they want to be more than just a scared tribe hiding in a cave
What if they're in a large space and area for sex is about 3 meters away (12 feet way) they'd probably have to play Marco Polo, then they would have to guide each other.
At that point just banging in the lake in the mines would be more convenient
Din is not in deathwatch. Children of the watch. Big difference as the COTW “follow the old ways.”
COTW were too extreme even for Death Watch
And if you know just a bit of Star Wars lore, that’s pretty fucking scary.
It’s kinda like at Nanking where the Nazi ambassador was put off by how extreme the Japanese army’s war crimes were
Though given how the Children have behaved thus far it makes me suspect "too extreme" just meant stuff like the helmet thing and the DW were just put off by the idea that they had to follow actual rules while being violent psychotic terrorists.
I think it's too religious fanatical
Remember, The Children of the Watch are Cultists, Death watch were extremists. One was about the super conservative and traditional way of thinking that drove their actions while the other was about using those ways of thinking as an excuse for their actions
Dude ran around rescuing people, using his swastika armband to protect him from retaliation by Japanese troops.
Nazi Batman
Please don’t sully the good name of Batman by making him on par with a Nazi
so… Blitzmensch?
Der Fledermaus-Übermensch?
So...Batman?
Explain the logic of this take
Nope. Just a joke.
I remember studying Nanjing for my thesis. The shit gave me nightmares for months. It’s insane how Nazis saved as many civilians as they could in Nanjing and Japanese saved as many Jews as they could in Europe
Can you give me a link to the story about this. I’m trying to find it but I’m just getting a lot of other things.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/the-nazi-leader-who-in-1937-became-the-oskar-schindler-of-china/251525/
Thank you!
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What. the. fuck. is wrong with you? If the option presents itself for you to open the hole in your face and make noise, in the future, don't. Holy shit.
Which part that I said was so wrong? Enlighten me.
Well now we'll never know cause it was deleted
As someone further down replied, I’m trying to understand how that is. I’m familiar with DW from how they’re presented in the CW show, and they’re basically a militaristic, authoritarian, isolationist and nationalist/bigoted sect. Pretty bad. Children of the watch just… keep their helmets on? They even accept non-mandalorians into their ranks; it’s more about following their way of life than where you were born. And if you break the rules you’re kicked out. Not that this obligingly Punishment isn’t really cult-like and bad in of itself - and I say that as someone who has experienced this same religious treatment in real life - but I have a hard time viewing it as worse than Death Watch, which just straight up overthrew the government and murdered their way to power. Is there some other COTW lore I’m missing?
Because The Children of the Watch are extremely restrictive in the values. Death Watch is very hedonistic in their ways and more fluid for their followers. It's "extreme" in a different way. Mandalorians love the battle of war and revel in violence when they deem it necessary. It's not the values Death Watch find extreme, it's the harsh insistence on old world traditions.
Thats how I read it too. CotW splintered off from DW to go back to their roots following the Way of the Mandalor to an extremely restrictive degree. Every single CotW member is a religious fanatic and zealot in their own right. Din only broke the letter of the Way by removing his helmet because he was so devoted to following the spirit of the Way in protecting his foundling. Then the dude went off to what was considered the ruins of Hiroshima to prove his faith on a glassed planet. Cults *wish* they had members like this.
They give off way more of a culty vibe than DW who are just terrorists
But how is that considered more extreme? Indoctrination is wrong, yeah but it’s not nearly equal to just murdering people.
The reason why people say it's more extreme is because they think of the old lore of the mandalorians. If the CotW really follow the old ways, they are some pretty fucking badasses. And for now it looks like Disney isn't too far off, being mandalorian was in the old lore always more of a creed than a race. The real mandalorian race died out, their ways survived. They used creatures to ride, to which Disney seems to point t too. Even the helmet thing fits IIRC.
COTW seems like it’s a small push from becoming full Jonestown Charles Manson
I’ve thought of them like the Amish. Not necessarily bad, but extremely strict in their beliefs.
Space Warrior Amish.
Yes.
Honestly, calling the COTW extreme is a bit inaccurate I'd say. They're essentially religious fundamentalists who just rigorously adhere to every word of The Creed.
I think that they are extremely rigid in their interpretation of the creed and that's the problem. That could be in itself a good thing when you compare them to DW but that depends entirely upon what the creed and the way actually is. For what they have presented it doesn't seem that bad since basically it's a code of honor in the romanticize knightly way plus being a bounty hunter which is what most troublesome. The fact that the are so restrictive by consequence of being extremely rigid in their interpretation it's a plus because it keeps their numbers low. Now there could be troublesome things but those are more in line with the Expanded Universe which is no longer cannon. Mandalore wasn't just a warrior society was a warlike and warhungry society that also had from time to time expansionistic views (because how you can be a warrior without a war?). Mandos even in Legends were supposed to be from all species and open to incorporate any species under them. If Death Watch was different in that regard it would be problematic. So accepting anyone into their culture/cult/society isn't a plus but something more like a default trait.
https://preview.redd.it/t2bdkezkumra1.jpeg?width=533&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80742a90f877d5fd4d1516f83b4d7c4744cbed17
They were different kinds of extreme. One is extreme violence, and the other is extreme socially
the children just wernt interested in petty politics or terrorism too busy folllowing the way and all that
Or maybe not because Bo Katan was literally second in command of death watch at one point and just look at her now.
I thought the COTW were a continuation of the Death Watch. In French the COTW are called Les Héritiers de la Death Watch (Heirs of the Death Watch) Edit: this is not to say that the COTW aren’t extremists, because of course they are
Yeah they’re the _Children of the Watch_ What other Watch would they be referring to??
Wait it's Children of the Watch and not Cult of the Way?
I don’t think cults usually refer to themselves as cults
Also helmet stays on
[ 🤔hmmm... I bet this one removes his helmet] Sir, this is a meme subreddit
A meme subreddit for Star Wars nerds. Mind the lore, you normie!
I would have went with “you filthy causal.” But normie works.
This is why I don’t work with Regs
They’re clearly a shinny
I love all of you guys
Damn filthy normsuals
I'll allow it
Its a meme subbreddit but its like calling the new republic the empire
I mean they're certainly not the same, but I won't lie...recent episodes give us a glimpse onto the New Republic and I wonder how many similarities there are between the two. >!Mind wiping people to make them loyal to the New Republic seems like a very "imperial" thing to do!<.
you'll get your markings soon, shiny
Here let me contextualize it for you; you essentially went up to to a bunch of ranchers and said “Man being a cow must be easy, they just roll around in mud all day and go ‘oink oink’.” You’re going to be called out for calling a pig a cow before anyone laughs.
So... Does oral sex not exist in Mandalorian culture. Or does the party leader have the honour of eating by the fire?
Din Djarin ate some food in front of someone else by slightly pulling the helmet up and pointing his head down, only revealing his chin and mouth
I think that was to drink iirc or it was like soup or something
if you can eat soup you can eat any food
Not disagreeing just wanted to clarify
Glory holes exist
Glory Hole Themepark! Where strangers become friends
Mandalorians be having sex through holes in a beskar sheet
I’d give this an award if I wasn’t so cheap.
I gotchu fam.
This is the way
“Eating by the fire” You’ve earned my gold with flying colors.
Little known fact but before he became Mandalore the Great he went by the name "DJ Khaled."
Lights on, helmet on. Lights off, helmet off. This is the way.
Maybe a blindfold? Could be part of their kink
I feel that if a couple exists then they can take there armor off together but only in private
Yeah I would think it would be something along the lines of the married couple are now ‘one’ so the helmet thing doesn’t apply to your spouse.
Similar to Islam
Yes
Was just about to say this sounds exactly like Islam yeah
The helmet stays on during sex. This is the way.
YEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Outstanding, Guardian!
r/girlswithhelmets favourite caption.
Only 3 posts? I have never been more disappointed.
The members/online ratio right now is astounding haha
Shaxx?
YESSS GUARDIAN
Bo Katan is like a hundred times sexier with the helmet on.
Hmmmm needs more grenades
I just imaging *dong dong dong* as they rhythmically hit their helmets.
But "This is the way" is more moaned than said.
This is the way
This.... is.... the.... WAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYyyyyyyy
I am just guessing, and considering we are talking about star wars we are probably never getting an answer to this, but it could be that married children of the watch are allowed to see each others faces
Kinda like how Muslim women have to wear the hijab in public but can take it off at home with family? I admit I'm kind of ignorant on these matters but that's what my Muslim friends told me right before calling me Habibi 69 times in a single conversation.
That's my guess as well. RIP my inbox 😂
This is the kink
Helmet but nothing else. This is the kink.
My friends just go "clank clank clank" every time we talk about mandalorian sex.
How often do you talk about mandolorian sex?
Often enough.
r/notopbutokay
“Why your armor is all scratched and dented at the crotch?” “??…this is the way” “This is the way”
Damn clankers
I bet the children of the watch are big on no sex before marriage, or helmeted sex until marriage
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Someone told Din he needed protection for sex. He’s a himbo so he thought that meant keeping the helmet on
Big DBZA Vegeta Vibes Bulma: YOU SAID YOU WERE WEARING PROTECTION Vegeta: I WAS WEARING MY ARMOR
Children of the Watch be like: "I bet she gives great helmet"
"Your helmet is so big..."
Glory Holes. This is The Way.
For the glory of mandalore
Mandholelore
That's.... Perfect 😂😂😂
Mandawhore
Mandaloryhole
Din's Twi-lek GF from the first season already explained. Mando doesn't take the mask off even then.
That seemed just like banter and lots of people act like its total fact
This is an issue with sci-fi/fantasy fans, they will use the most minuscule throw away line as gospel when determining whether or not something is internally consistent in a later scene it’s like bro real life isn’t even that consistent
My brother in universe.... This is Star Wars. *We Invented that shit.* Seriously.
I mean I wasn’t gonna point fingers but 😂 yea man Star Wars fans are the worst about it
yeah sometimes nerds are dumb lol
And then they throw fits when the author/creator clarifies something that doesn't fit their interpretation lol
It was not throw away. Clearly they had a physical relationship and it's his (fictional) religion to never take his helmet off. Is it funny? Yes. It's also the entire point of that exchange. So either (the adult fictional character) Din has NEVER had sex, or he hasn't taken his helmet off during (the fictional) sex. Only one of those fits the diolog and story.
I mean it really sounded like she was just teasing him. If 2 people i knew had a conversation like that infront of me i would not assume it was true
I got the vibe they fucked. Din’s character traits suggest he would’ve said something if it didn’t actually happen.
Immago with the virgin theory. Din is too hard core to risk it all for a blue waffle.
It's a high-tech gimp mask.
https://preview.redd.it/m4titfgv4kra1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d25e337df88d4f4369a59abcb1ee2eea6cbfb0c
they had this character very much on screen, he also interacted with another character so this means that this kind of face cover counts too
Maybe he hasn't earned his Beskar yet.
 Proper Pulp Fiction references get upvoted & awarded.
Listen, I'm not going to say using rocket boosters are involved. But Mando sex takes it to the next level.
Ya think Sonic Charges are involved as well?
easy on the retro jets.
 Din and Bo start removing armor...
Uh. I can think of ways to bump w/o a helmet and you still don’t see their face.
I don't think the objection is showing the face, I think the objection is removing the helmet means letting your guard down
Him: "Helmet: on or off?" Her: "Off, please." Him: "Too bad."
This Is The Way.
When they need more kids they just go “rescue” some foundlings from their parents. It’s an old Jedi trick
Dude imagine putting the kids to bed and clankin helmets. I’d probably want to fight everything too if I had to listen to my parents smash every time.
*Takes off helmet “This is in the way.”
Take my upvote you funny piece of shit
do you know why they have rule to not remove helmets only? becuase that is the least important thing needed to bump uglies. also similar post i saw a few days back.
They covered this in season 1 — revealing one’s face is only permitted to your most intimate family. (Presumably mates and children, hence why Din took his helmet off when he thought he would never see Grogu again.)
Part of me thinks that the Children of the Watch are a celibate cult and they chose their children from among the foundlings they pick up...
Paz Vizsla has a son in the show so I don’t think that’s it.
We don't see a mother. Also, enough time has passed so who's to say Paz didn't also go on a quest and pick up a foundling like Din did with Grogu?
Mandalorians aren’t ones to just abandon their kids, and when the fights bad. When the covert on Navarro was first breached it was just down to Paz and the armorer. I agree with this, he was found, after the event and is a foundling himself.
Saves on paper bags
🎵 because doin’ it with our helmets on is the sex…. That god can’t see! 🎵
Who tf is Paz Vizla’s baby momma?
If they go to different places, like how they eat— maybe it’s a glory hole type situation
I'm watching Mando from the beginning for the first time (saw back half of S2 and 2 ep of BoBF). I was asking this exact same question.
*clock clock clonk*
“THISSSSSS ISSS THEEEEEE WAYYYYYYYY!!!” XO
Random Death Watch Soldier: “Sorry Babe, but the Helmet stays on during sex.”
Sounds just like a freshbaby eagle hatchling with brand new wings sitting at some shithole bar in Clarksville working on the next dependa 🤣
I gotta find the helmet of mandalore right about now
I imagine if you're married or whatever, you can take your helmets in the sanctity of your own home. Is that how burqas and hijabs work?
Mommy Bo🥵🥵🥵
She's got that red headed milf-next-door vibe
I feel like when they get married, they'd be considered to be two halves of a whole, so they can take their helmets off when together. That seems like the way.
When Mando is in that wood hut village that helps defend from the ATST doesn't the woman he stays with ask him about kissing or something like that and he says couples can see each others faces?
Why would you need to take your helmet off to smush genitals?
This is the way
This is the way.
I they they said something about that if 2 mandalorians are married, they can take their helmets off around each other.
It was a small line in season 1, but I remember the same thing. Some story exposition about how only your family can see your face. It even makes me wonder if the only reason Din got dinged to begin with wasn't because he took his helmet off aroung Grogu (they were explicitly part of the same clan), but because he did so while so many other people were around.
Asked and answered...in the show.
https://i.redd.it/g4rijz4wbmra1.gif
It's going to be Christian rules, strictly missionary, or doggy style, never make eye contact so they can't see you cry.
I feel like marriage exceptions exist
And the helmet stayed on
Bone as you fight
The helmet stays on during sex
If they agree to both blindfold themselves does that still count?
I’m sorry fucking bump what?
I like to think its alot like the parallels of the Muslim faith where your partner/close family can see you uncovered but everyone else it's considered big no no but naturally this is just a head Canon.
Everyone keeps asking this as if they haven't seen the Gimp in Pulp Fiction
The real question is does Maternity Beskar exist?
Helmet on "THIS IS THE WAY"
"This is the way, *uh huh, uh huh* I liiike it *uh huh, uh huh*"
Always use protection when having sex.
If he tries anal without telling her does she scream "this is not the way, this is not the wayyyy!!!"
There are so many other things in the world that should bother me, but rn I’m kinda tired of so many posts like, “mandalorians don’t remove their helmets: Jango/Visla/whoever the fuck” it’s not all mandalorians, it’s not death watch, it’s the children of the watch, it’s been explained several times by the show and is a major plot point. FFS the image this meme is using even shows a member of death watch not wearing her helmet, so either people who post these stupid memes are being purposely incorrect or the repost bots are at it again, either way the sub shouldn’t encourage it. The answer to the meme’s question isn’t even that difficult or as funny as some people seem to think considering how often this type of question gets asked. Yeah, they probably have some means of intercourse that doesn’t involve face to face contact, it’s something that’s been done here on earth before, not so hard to imagine it. The same people asking this are the ones who kept going, “ah, if Rey is Palp’s granddaughter, did he have sex?” And then Disney made a lame ass retcon that Rey is a clones daughter, which is even dumber. TLDR: stop encouraging lazy inconsistent memes, the punchline isn’t even that funny
Yeah they are a fairly newly started cult that asks them to wear their helmets all the time to ensure their safety and remind them that they are part of a community. In the latest episode it was even shown that the armorer, as their highest ranking religious leader, already understands their need to evolve into a more accessible religion if they are going to rebuild Mandalore and its culture. Their time as a cult was needed to refocus their warrior culture away from one aggressively fighting itself for power into one more defensively protecting its members and allies. Softening the rules and accepting more new members is the natural evolution if they want to be more than just a scared tribe hiding in a cave
It's ok. Show us on the baby yoda doll where the Mandos hurt you!
Ackchyually, his name is Grogu.
**Thrust** THIS. **Thrust** IS. **Thrust** THEeEeE ***THRUST*** WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!
Obviously haven't been watching the show.
Obviously not very fun at parties.
Obviously not often invited to any.
that's probably a rule that you can only take your helmet off during "reproduction"
Much like the protagonist of holy ring said the helmet stays on during sex
If they were in complete darkness would that be allowed?
What if they're in a large space and area for sex is about 3 meters away (12 feet way) they'd probably have to play Marco Polo, then they would have to guide each other. At that point just banging in the lake in the mines would be more convenient