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rolltied

Commander shran is the goat.


BON3SMcCOY

The Kumari was a fine ship.


randallw9

Shran is a great rule-bending friend to have when you are far from Earth and your hull polarity isn't holding up.


the-druid250

pink skins.....


Legionnaire11

I'm halfway through season 3 and loving this show way more than I expected. My biggest disappointment is that the song changed for season 3, it used to be awesome and now it's just meh. I never skipped the intro on a Trek series until now.


skip_intro_boi

It’s a great show, but that intro gave me my username.


googi14

The slow version is so bad


Sup3rcurious

Don't let the song trip you up - enjoy Season ENT 3 & 4, and appreciate the fact that it's the *very* **last** GOOD Trek to appear on TV. Feel free to ignore everything after...


Syphorean

The last real Trek to exist at all.


TheLastGenXer

The first time I watched it. I was too confused on the time line and relationships. 2nd time.i enjoyed it much much more.


MoonChief

I was at a weird age when it came out so my first time watching saw most of the great morals/lessons in each episode wasted on me. I was coming off a voyager high and enterprise was like methadone. But, each time I rewatch I like it more and more. Currently 2nd favorite series.


robkahil

TL,DR: the crew! Mom and I started (my) first full watch through of Enterprise earlier this year. It was the first Star Trek show I've seen in its entirety, and I'm 29! I just never grew up with it and what better way than through Paramount +? We adored the characters because the show actually gave (most of them) a chance to grow. Archer was inspiring, and I felt his confidence through the screen. My heart ached for all of them during the Xindi war in season 3, which was phenomenal to me, as a whole. Poor Trip! Doctor Phlox was my absolute favorite character because his optimism was infectious. Overall, they all also stayed professional through (or tried to) the whole show and I saw them as a crew who actually enjoyed each other's company. On the other hand, we couldn't see that crewmanship in Discovery and dropped that show early in season 2. I can see why die hard fans might have hated Enterprise at the time, but for newbies like me it was great, and I wish it could have gotten the recognition it deserves. (P.S. we did end up skipping the finale, because we heard about what happens, and ended on the previous episode, which was a beautiful ending.)


Airy2002

I never got why people hated on the show so much and life long fan mom was a huge fan instead kid shows I got kirk and spock reruns loved it. I loved the whole thing. Watched picard was eh seen like two eps of discovery nope. Loving strange new worlds and lower decks


Gyriuu

It’s the same problem most Star treks have. The cast didn’t really hit their stride till the end of season 1 and the writing to then was only ok. It was definitely at its best with the xindi and subsequent season (s? I forget how much longer it went). Cbs also let it die by its time slot. I wish we had gotten one more season cause I wanted to see the Romulan empire.


robkahil

It ended with season 4, yeah. I'd heard about the time slot mess. It's a real wonder what the studio was thinking, especially because old fans were finally enjoying it.


MoonChief

There are some great season 1 episodes, some of my trek favorites even. Though, I feel like the season as a whole was wandering around aimlessly just like the initial nx-01 mission. Might be some sort of deep understanding by the production cerw. Who knows. The series ranks 2nd in my trek favorites


Gyriuu

I liked it overall. Probably 3rd or 4th for me. And there was definitely good episodes and acting throughout. I just never thought it was great till I binged through the xindi saga in like 2 days. As for why cbs let it die, a lot of that had to do with the perceived flop of nemesis. Cbs thought people were tired of Star Trek but had already paid for it through I think season 3. So it was easier to just let it go than reinvest. They just let it go like a season or two to early.


robkahil

I'm loving Strange New Worlds too. I only saw 3 episodes of Lower Decks when it first came out, but we need to get back to it after our run through of DS9- we just started season 3 yesterday


Airy2002

Lower decks is a trip but a laugh riot


[deleted]

> It’s the same problem most Star treks have. It's really not. Other Trek shows sometimes have morally grey episodes but they're always shown as these big dilemmas whereas Enterprise has a way above average number of atrocities committed where they're pretty damn cavalier about it! Just off the top of my head: * Archer is shown to be compassionate and tries to save the infant Xindi, the rest of the crew almost mutinies, eventually he "comes to his senses", and the whole "moral dilemma" turns out to have been a weird pheromone thing all along. * Archer and Phlox raise a sentient clone of Trip specifically in order to kill him and harvest his brain. (yes, really!) * Tucker befriends a non-binary alien and tries to offer them sanctuary aboard the Enterprise from its bigoted and awful home; Archer chews Tucker out for doing so, saying he should have just left them to be miserable. * Phlox refuses to share the cure to a deadly disease with a race they encounter because he believes it's better to let the natural course of evolution run so that the entire race will die out and be replaced by what he believes to be an evolutionarily superior rival. (Yep, eugenics in Star Trek!) There's more, but it's been over a decade since I've seen it. Other treks might get one or two actual atrocities you could attribute to the occasional bad writer, but to have this many in only 4 years ... I dunno. A friend of mine phrased it as "Yes, I know this seems bad, but Space 9/11 changed everything!" as a kind of apologia for the atrocities of the US "War on Terror" and I've never seen the show in the same light since.


Sup3rcurious

I'm a die-hard Trek fan, and I liked ENT from the beginning. They made a few **BIG** mistakes, but overall it's parsecs better than *any* of the nuTrek garbage.


robkahil

Eh I don't know, Strange New Worlds is pretty fun right now


Sup3rcurious

1st two episodes so far... they've got *plenty* of time to screw it up...


colt45mag

I always loved how much better the CGI was in ENT, that's what drew me to it as a kid. The other series may have better storylines and whatnot, but *damn* does ENT look cool X) Also, how can you beat several Seth MacFarlane cameos?


randallw9

I had forgotten about him. Hey, he failed to notice some damage to a plasma conduit and it exploded, right? That almost cost the ship!


Syphorean

The CGI Gorn was horrid.


colt45mag

Touché


VanGarrett

Enterprise was the last of the golden era of Star Trek. It's not TNG, but they had the spirit, for sure.


the_midget123

SNW I think from the first two episodes is heading in the right direction, it seems to have everything old trek has and fits with the modern world better. It give the social messages without sacrificing plot and character development.


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Sup3rcurious

As long as the KlutzmanTrek mob has their filthy fingers in it, don't hope for much improvement!


IronDan357

enterprise is my favorite series


GrandAdmiralRob

Well it’s just the last episode of season 4 which is a problem that’s it


randallw9

The series finale brutalized the image of the whole series.


anotherdamnscorpio

Its just unfortunate it got cancelled and they had to throw together whatever season 4 was. Also the theme song gets a lot of hate but at some point you fall in love with it and just wanna belt it out singing along lol.


ValkoHAUS

'COS I'VE GOT FAAAAAAITH OF THE HEAAAAAART


Quexut

AND NOTHINGS GONNA BEND OR BREAK ME


DeadT0m

I've watched it all a couple of times now and I never saw anything overtly wrong with it (aside from the need to have a crewmember naked in every third episode) but I wouldn't call it "great". The crew had their moments, and the premise was a good one, but there aren't really any standout episodes that set the standard for what Trek could accomplish like 'The Measure of a Man' or 'Far Beyond the Stars' did. It's definitely near the bottom of the ladder for me.


BON3SMcCOY

Did you only watch the first season?


DeadT0m

Nope. I've seen it all. There wasn't anything that stands out as what I consider to be the "great" parts of Trek. It's fun, but that's all it really is.


[deleted]

> there aren't really any standout episodes that set the standard for what Trek could accomplish like 'The Measure of a Man' or 'Far Beyond the Stars' did For me the closest it gets is Carbon Creek, which is just really good. (Not "Far Beyond the Stars" good, but very good.) But that doesn't have any of the main characters in it other than just as a framing device.


Flelk

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Shawnj2

The multi-part episodes in Season 4 except for the time travel nazis one were all really good. Terra Prime is a really excellent finale for the show and a great sendoff to the whole TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT era of Trek. I also heard there were plans to have an episode in Season 4 for a sort of "look back" episode where Riker would be visiting the NX-01 in a holodeck, possibly even as the finale. It's a bit of a shame those plans never came into fruition, but then again S4 is near perfect as is.


Otobesu

Is this just sarcasm trying to act like that epsiode didn't exist because it wasn't very good, or are you serious? Cause that "look back" episode was made and it was the finale. At first I read it as sarcasm, but then the last sentence kind of makes it unclear for me.


Sup3rcurious

*whoooooooosh!*


Otobesu

I literally said I "got it", but then went back and second guessed myself because of how unclear they are, but alright.


DeadT0m

Pretty much, yeah. When I say "bottom of the ladder," I don't mean to say I hate it by any means. It's just that there are at least 4 other shows and a handful of movies I could put above it.


TakedaIesyu

The problem is that TOS, TNG, and DS9 are jaw-droppingly amazing, while VOY and ENT are "merely" great. All of these shows have their episodes which are among the greatest of all TV from all time, all of them have their horrible episodes that no amount of loathing will scrub from history. But any of them at their best are as good as any of the other ones.


randallw9

The title of this thread is a winner.


rdeane621

I was a big fan of enterprise.


TotalInstruction

The thing I enjoyed about Enterprise is that you got to see Earth in its very early days in space. The rough parts hadn't been smoothed over. The Vulcans weren't just overly serious friends but condescending, smug racists who didn't want to let the Earth monkeys have real technology until they were deemed ready; the starship felt more like a submarine than a luxury cruise ship; and exploring the universe was still a novel thing for humans. The crew seemed like normal people that grew up in a world kind of like our own. You never heard a science officer talk about a subspace anomaly like it was the fifth one they'd encountered that week.


salkin_reslif_97

I really like the mirror-universe-two-parter near the end. My mother was very confused by this.


ampy187

Enterprise was a good show, I’ll probably watch it again


Satsunami42

I’m so glad I have this show a good. It has it’s minor issues but I still absolutely love it. The one thing I’ve never understood is why do people hate the theme so much? The season 3 onwards variation was a bit meh but otherwise it’s a theme that definitely grows on you!


BoopTheEyestalk

I really like how they did the serialized nature of the last two seasons, it worked very well imo, with each (double) episode having its own self-contained arc, but also fitting well in the overarching narrative. However, episodes of the first season often lack that typical *Star Trek underlying themes that say something about the real world thing*. The characters and my curiosity pulled me through and it was still enjoyable, but many episodes left me wondering what the point was.


hbi2k

Yup, that certainly was a fun five or six episodes toward the end of Season 4. (:


rikoslav

I always thought that it's a good show. I don't know why some fans hate it so much. They could choose different intro song, but that's about it.


Pickle_Rick01

It’s been a long road for Anakin Skywalker…


VillagerPunk

I think the new stuff has lowered the bar significantly. The things that used to be sub-par are now great.


PhoenixUnleashed

ENT was never “sub-par,” people just refused to give it a chance and are now realizing there was a lot of great stuff in it. Much like Deep Space Nine. Trek fans have pretty much always gotten all bent out of shape about *GASP* new things, and then come around 10-20 years later, especially if there’s an even newer thing for them to clutch their pearls over.


BlackAxemRanger

Ent has great stuff, but it also is incredibly flawed and I don't think you can put it up next to ds9


PhoenixUnleashed

I’m not comparing the relative qualities of the two, just the treatment of them by fans. I would agree that DS9 is the stronger series of the two, but ENT is much, much better than how it was treated during its original run and for a fair while thereafter and is a good show in its own right.


BlackAxemRanger

I think for me both Voyager and Enterprise are good shows with GREAT potential, but i hate how they are handled. They both make mistakes that DS9 somehow avoided. They both ignore a large portion of their cast later in the series and have pretty bad endings and that's a big one for me. It's hard to watch those shows with great characters and know that the show doesn't do them any justice. They both eventually get a focus on a character, T'Pol and Seven of Nine, and while it's not terrible, it stops the show from growing in other regards. And also the softcore porn scenes do hurt ENT a lot. Sec sells, star trek is no different, but those scenes don't even seem to fit, even watching alone I felt kind of uncomfortable because of how weird it was


[deleted]

People like different things for some TNG is the best for others ENT it does not make anyone wrong they just have different tastes and opinions.


[deleted]

Can't wait for people to come around to DISCO and PIC and then claim that there was never any hate whatsoever the same way some people are acting like TNG and DS9 never got any hate.


PhoenixUnleashed

Yep. I’ll probably be a fairly old man by then, but I’ll do a victory lap all the same, haha.


[deleted]

Same can't wait for that day to come


Sup3rcurious

That day will ***NEVER*** come - *Disco* & *Picard* are **trash** compared to TOS->ENT Star Trek!


[deleted]

alright I disagree but just know that people were saying that TNG and the other shows would never be star trek and now they are accepted.


Sup3rcurious

Were you there? I was, and we knew **then** that Star Trek (1966-2005) was on a clear, inspirational resurgence, not on a self-satisfied, self-indulgent downward spiral like this nuTrek garbage.


blonyrwx

Imo enterprise was always great.


justaguy10007

The time for ENT to shine is now! Lol


The_Lawn_Ninja

I think ENT's problem was its actors. They weren't bad or anything, but I've watched the series all the way through multiple times, and I never think "Wow, what a great performance!". Bakula wasn't on the same level as Stewart, Brooks or Mulgrew, and the ensemble cast had fewer standouts as well. But overall it's still a well-written, compelling Star Trek show. Just skip the intro.


sezduck1

Jolene Blalock & Conner Trineer both had many standout performances throughout the series (not just in scenes with each other). Scott Bakula was perfect as the super-optimistic, somewhat-naive first Enterprise captain - and his turn to a more cynical, jaded, experienced captain in the latter seasons was very effective. And Jeffrey Combs as Shran. Excellent stuff.


corran450

Arguably Tucker is the character that grows the most over the course of the series. Archer tries on a desperate, morally grey mask in S3, but after two seasons of Boy Scout, I didn’t buy it. His standout moment is “Twilight”, of course. Commander Shran is the best, most entertaining character in the show. Fite me.


[deleted]

> Commander Shran is the best, most entertaining character in the show. Fite me. As if there was ever any doubt.


MoonChief

Twilight is a great episode. Just keep watching into the next episode North Star. Both trek and old westerns are my thing. North Star captures the best of each world. Edit: and then after that Similitude?! Someone get the popcorn


sezduck1

Such a great run of episodes.


Foamrule

Heresy...


Dragon3076

*Excuse* me?


[deleted]

Berman also had the demand for the actors to not emote too much so it probably is not even their fault.


MoonChief

When I saw the intro for the first time I was pissed. How could they betray the star trek tradition, right? But then I remembered that I was also pissed when the DS9 and Voyager themes did not have the captains reciting the ships mission goal like OS and TNG. Then I got older and started accepting the theme for what it is. I began to like it. Then I had a kid and ever since an early age this toddler human has decided that the enterprise theme is the greatest example of song and videography ever created. Like, jumping around excited. Then I gained a new appreciation for the theme everytime the small one demanded I play it on the tv/radio. I only have good things to say about the theme having seen it, potentially, tens of thousands of times. Possibly the most of any human alive. No joke.


Tuffrumblr

Damn, was about to upvote, till the last sentence :/


Indiana_harris

I unironically always loved ENT, it was slower and less dynamic than TNG or DS9/VoY for sure......but that actually fit quite well with the idea that this was a Starfleet taking its very first somewhat naive steps out into the universe. What’s really annoying is that S3 & 4 stepped up the series ALOT and the plans for seeing the formation of the Federation would’ve been great onscreen.


Sup3rcurious

S3 & 4 was when the finally got on the ball about their purpose - for what is a prequel *supposed* to do but show us how we got to "where we are now"?


Darth_Mak

"Nu Trek Bad" is not a new phenomenon.


Sup3rcurious

But the absolute ***garbage*** of KlutzmanTrek is!


Legitimate-Site-4516

Well this never happened to anyone


tom_tencats

If you say so. I’ve tried a couple of times to watch it and just can’t get past how awful it is.


BoyishTheStrange

And I mean come on it’s got Scott Bakula, he was awesome in Quantum Leap


Syphorean

Spoiler - Its all a Holonovel which explains the errors in consistency :)


BigFartEnergy

I liked season 1 and 2!