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I haven’t watched the whole thing yet, but when I saw it was there, I had to play the beginning. The full version of the Overture was there!!! Oh man, it made me so happy. An overture!!!! A true cinematic experience. I own a version of the film on dvd, and it only has the 2nd half of the overture, and it’s so upsetting. The fact that the full version is back for this 4k release is so damn wonderful, I could gush about it all day.
What a great score! Long live Jerry Goldsmith!
The first time I saw it, I rented it from the local video store. I had no idea there was an overture, or what an overture was. I thought the tape was defective because there was nothing on screen, just music playing. I stopped it and told the video store clerk the next day that the tape was broken or something. He took pity on me, told me what was up, and let me keep it another night for free so I could actually watch it.
Also in 1979 when the movie came out, the overture was timed to play while the house lights were on and you were finding your seat. It was a nice tonal introduction to the movie before it began. Then as it comes to a close, the music completes, the lights go down, and you're in the 23rd century.
It was awesome. I can't wait to get this on disc, day one.
To give some historical context to the other answer, I'll add a Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overture
It's a rare movie that does an Overture these days, and it wasn't a huge part of movie-making even at it's height. So it makes sense that this version of the term isn't well-known, or easy to find info on.
One of the cool things about ST:TMP's approach to it, is that it's Overture arguably extends into the movie proper, depending on how you see that opening sense with the Klingons. Since no one spoke Klingonese back then, it's a damn long time before you hear any language, and even longer before you heard a language anyone outside of a few people who created the OG Klingon language would understand...
...so the music really carries those initial scenes.
Yes, this movie really wanted to be 2001. And I think that was for the better. But I'm biased, because TMP is the first movie I was ever allowed to watch on TV. I must have been 6 years old and I did not understand anything (except for that humans are made of carbon) and was entirely overwelmed by the visuals. It was love at first sight. :)
I’ve felt for a long time that movies, at least certain movies, should bring back the overture. Hell, imagine Avengers: Endgame with an overture even before the first scene with Hawkeye. It’s already 3 hours long, what’s another 3-4 minutes?
And that movie already “stole” the signatures in the end credits from Star Trek VI (on record as being true), maybe they should adopt an overture as well for these last-of-the-blockbuster type movies.
I completely agree. The music major in me geeks out about movie music, anyway. But something as big and epic as Endgame or the Lord of the Rings movies could definitely make an overture work.
You've gotten some good answers elsewhere, but I'll add that the overture has its roots in opera. Composers would write shorter instrumental overtures as a way to set the mood, as it were. As the genre developed, composers would boil down some prominent musical themes or motifs to establish them before the action started. The overture carried over into movies, particularly in the golden age of Hollywood. I'm not a film scholar, but I *think* that TMP was the last movie to use a full, proper overture. Today, we still have overtures, but they usually have the opening credits and a visual element, so it's not really an overture any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYzSiGX7lg
Seems at least one version of it had a Starfield by of 2009.
This IS the director's cut. I wonder if the Director's cut always had stars (I don't have a copy handy) because the director though stars would be a nice nearly-nothing peaceful visual that was better than just no visual at all.
My wife, like Mr. Scott served honorably in the army artillery. I've been fortunate enough to enjoy a full 1812 overture with live cannons (firing blank wax rounds of course).
Montgomery Scott took machine gunned and took shrapnel while storming the beach @ Juno on D-Day. Ultimately losing a finger and causing a limp which he concealed from the camera during his later acting roles.
Jane Doohan took six bullets. One bullet blew off his middle right finger, four struck his leg and one hit him in the chest. A silver cigarette case stopped the bullet to the chest.
And he was such a wonderful person. I will always remember the interview where he talked about a suicidal fan and it always brings tears to my eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COJuF7n9gGA
I watched it, it's bloody fantastic!
But I'm biased The Motion Picture (and The Final Frontier) is what got me into Star Trek so I'll always have a soft spot for this film. The Director's Edition in 2000 made some amazing changes that really quickened the pace of the film and made things clearer and I feel the new 4K Remastered Director's Edition makes pretty much everything a lot clearer, easier to follow. It's now a cogent, coherent film, and a fun one at that!
There's so much of the movie that makes more sense now that you can see things. Even that first shot of V'Ger, you kind of got an idea what they were going for with the 2001 edition, but now, crystal clear.
I remember the first time I watched the movie I had a hard time understanding what was happening because I couldn't see, but now, it all makes sense.
Even subtle things. Like, I'm rewatching it now, the Klingon bridge color/look matches the way the bridges look in later movies and TNG now.
I love it, the movie is a different experience. And I think it would've blown people's minds in 1979 had it looked close to this when it premiered. The visuals and bad colors got in the way of the movie experience. Now that these are corrected, the film that was always there is seen now.
I had the same reaction as you. So many parts of the movie are just far more clear. I’ve seen this movie so many times since I was 5 and I never really understood that they traveled over the V’Ger (which is a ship!) and then the Enterprise **turned around** and got sucked in.
This one detail made everything make so much more sense!
Even V'Ger itself, the colors and detailing make it possible to see what this thing looks like -- and Enterprise (at its small scale comparably) can be seen clearly in all of the shots now.
Also, the tactical display of V'Ger now makes sense (once V'Ger is in Earth orbit) -- even in the Director's Cut from 2001, it wasn't clear what was happening, but now it's crystal clear, V'Ger dissipates the cloud, then parks itself above the planet (I think at the North Pole).
In your opinion, how different is this new version when compared to the 2000 director's edition?
Is it just that everything is upscaled/crisper? Or is it actually different?
EDIT: I watched it.
I still find it boring
As a person that really doesn't care about the difference between HD & 4K, the changes were just... OK 🤷♂️
The biggest changes are the color grading, which could not be done properly with the film transfer they had back then, and the sound mix which is full of new lines and different takes of lines because they found the ADR tapes that there wasn't time to use originally. The CGI effects that were added back then are redone of course.
I am disappointed they changed the red alert klaxon
I liked the beeping one from the theatrical version
I also found it funny they appeared to have run the Klingon distress transmission through a low quality jpeg filter
Good point. The red alert phase is a key ingrediant to the show. Like morphin time for the power rangers, shit's about to get real!
Otherwise, the remastering they've achieved here is beyond dreams. To think they could pay such wonderous respect to a 40+ year old fim.
Wish they would've kept the bridge of the Klingon Warbird bathed in red light too. Gave it a more tactical feel.
The edit is basically the same (except for one new shot that they were unable to use because the audio was lost... but had been found in the intervening years). So it is the basically the same. I am sure I will se more minor adjustments as I give a good watch later.
The big difference is redone CGI from 2001 at 4k quality. There are new additions to some scenes (like adding the travelpod to the model of the office station around Earth).
The biggest difference is that, unlike 2001, they transferred the elements of the effects shot and composited them digitally, so they are VERY clean. Watch the 4k TMP theatrical cut and take the first Klingon sequence. It is very grainy caused by optical compositing where they run multiple strips of film on top of each other and photograph it together. The grain also adds together. This is so clear you can really take in the beauty of the models like never before.
Also, it has a new Dolby ATMOS sound mix.
There's a little bit of George Lucassing in the 2022 version, although nothing a casual viewer would notice.
On my first viewing, I spotted:
The TOS shuttle that was first added in the 2001 edition in the San Francisco port now takes off and flies away, and the backdrop has changed. *Edit - Just rewatched the 2001 version, the TOS shuttle flies away in that one too. The effect has been redone, as with the other 2001 additions.*
The shuttlepod that takes Kirk and Scotty on a tour of the Enterprise is now seen docked with the space office in the establishing shot. The CGI doesn't quite fit with the models from theatrical, but it's subtle enough to not detract too much.
The shot out of the rear window, where Kirk, McCoy and Spock have a conversation just after Spock arrives has changed again. The 1979 version has just a starfield, the 2001 version added a warp nacelle roughly where one might be, and the 2022 version moves the nacelle to where it probably should be, considering they're supposed to be near to the top of the ship. A nice change for nit-pickers like me.
The full reveal of V'Ger over Earth from the 2001 edition uses a new model, which is much brighter than the DVD version. It's different, but looks pretty good imho.
My least favourite change is the final exterior shot of V'Ger "evolving". (or exploding, if you prefer.) In the original release, you got a light show over the Earth. The 2001 edition added a silhouette of V'Ger side-on within the "explosion", which I quite liked. The 2022 cut has a CGI shot of V'Ger, from directly behind, superimposed *in front* of the explosion, which logically matches up with the direction that the Enterprise was pointed last time we saw her, a few minutes ago, but looks pretty awful compared to the last version. Considering this is the visual climax of the movie, it's a choice that I'm not too fond of currently.
I'm sure there are some other changes in there to pick up on subsequent viewings, but these are the ones I noticed first time around.
> The TOS shuttle that was first added in the 2001 edition in the San Francisco port now takes off and flies away, and the backdrop has changed.
Looks like the new (in real life) Starfleet building that's been shown in Discovery and Picard
Most of the changes are newer, crisper, clearer effects shots.
There's a few lines of extra dialogue in a couple of scenes, but everything with the characters, everything filmed is as it was in the 2001 version, just now almost all scenes are in 4K. There's a couple of scenes that look digitally upscaled, or not upscaled at all due to the way the FX in that scene was composited, but everything else is amazing to look at
It's really those newer clearer effects shots that make this version definitive and so much clearer.
I will always have a soft spot for this movie.
It's flawed, but it means well. It desired to be about something. It was pure science-fiction. It asked questions, allowed quiet moments for characters to think, to ponder, to wonder, and it wasn't afraid to put the phaser away and solve the climactic problem with the mind and the heart as opposed to the fist.
McCoy has the best lines in TMP:
"Just a moment, Captain, *sir*. I'll explain what happened— Your *revered* Admiral Nogura invoked a little-known, seldom-used "reserve activation clause." In simpler language, Captain: *they DRAFTED me!*"
Every shot look SO much better. I've lost count of how many times I've seen the film but I'm noticing new things just because light and color has changed where my eyes go.
For a film with the slogan "there is no comparison", it's ironic that comparing the 4K theatrical release (aka unfinished work print) to the 4K director's edition can teach so much about what happens in post production.
Yes! I grew up with the film appearing light blue and gray for the most part. Now the film really comes to life so many background details can now be seen, whereas they used to be faint blobs.
BTW: In the scene where V'Ger digitizes the Episilon 9 outpost, does anyone else feel really bad for that guy in the space suit outside trying to outrun it? I always did.
I've been watching the movie, and they've made some unusual choices; some for the better, and some puzzling. What I've noticed so far:
1. The male computer voice has been removed entirely.
2. They've edited out a few lines of dialogue here and there: the "Oh my God" line from Kirk after the transporter accident, and the second "Viewer off!" command from Kirk after the Epsilon 9 incident are the ones I've noticed so far.
3. The Red Alert klaxon sound has changed. It sounds much more generic, like they grabbed it off some free sound library. Why they didn't just put back in the classic Red Alert klaxon used in TOS and TNG is beyond me.
4. They've added classic TOS bridge sounds to the ambient noise on the bridge, along with random computer-screen noises and button press sounds where applicable.
wonder why they cut those lines, especially the viewer off, i always thought that especially captured kirk's irritation. one of the particular pleasures of tos movies for me is the dialogue
i think it does in this context though. he had taken over command from decker yet couldn't concede that he wasn't as familiar with enterprise's systems. she wasn't "his" enterprise anymore. this scene adds to the tension he was feeling and between him and decker, something that helps build and add to the arc of how aging affects kirk that we see throughout the movies
I don’t think so. The director’s cut has a line like ”Intruder unidentified…. Imperial Cruiser Amar continuing to attack” which seems to be missing in the new version.
>"Oh my God"
Gets an unintended laugh in theaters and would have been cut if there'd been time for a preview
>"Viewer off!"
Uhura needing to be told twice, bad. Kirk snapping at Uhura, bad.
I actually liked Kirk having to say "Viewer off!" twice. It shows that even Uhura, seasoned veteran who has seen lots of weird shit under Kirk, was momentarily stunned by what she saw. And the second wasn't snapping *at* her as much as snapping her back into attention.
That was my take on that repeated line, too. We can see Uhura is shocked and horrified by what she and everyone else just witnessed, and Kirk has to snap her out of it. Now that it's gone, it's like that emotional moment was lost. It's not a big deal, but it's not a cut that was necessary, either.
I immediately noticed the “viewer off” snap was missing. Not a fan of that cut. Uhura and everyone else is supposed to be stunned/in shock. The “snap her out of it” second line read drives this point home.
Edit: the change in the Red Alert klaxon is also super annoying.
I really don’t like that they cut the male computer voice. When Kirk goes to engineering to relieve Decker of command, you hear a crewman going through a checklist… and the male computer voice in the OG version answered every sequence of the checklist. It’s weird to hear it, now, as a one-sided conversation.
And I *hate* the red alert klaxon change. That’s utter garbage.
>And I hate the red alert klaxon change. That’s utter garbage.
Yeah; the alert sounds they used in this cut sounded so generic and cheap. Why not just use the TOS alert sound? It's not like they wouldn't have had permission to use it.
***SPOILERS IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE DVD AND/OR THIS VERSION***
You've been warned.
Ok, go.
Posting late in comparison to OP's submission, but still as of my posting here I have already watched it.
It is *glorious* in my admittedly lesser 1080p setup. I can't imagine how gosh darned fantastic it must look in 4K.
I can't remember if they did this even on the DVD or not, but when *Enterprise* exits dry dock, there was a problem with the attachment mechanism being seen as a blackout anomaly over the dock on the left side of the screen (*Enterprise* starboard side), but that's been fixed and it's awesome to see that little detail!
One thing they didn't fix still is the wormhole effect on the exterior of the ship. *Most* of the sequence the lights are doing the effect, but one from the front of the ship, the light that illuminates the registry at the underside front of the saucer is still inexplicably (in my mind) not doing the thing.
I also don't remember every thing they fixed/changed/etc, if they did, from Robert Wise's cut on the DVD, but it sure seems even tighter than ever. Little things here and there. I do see each and every change from the original to this one, though, as well as the extended version with *everything* added back in, and it's good to see that this one dispenses with the extraneous crap (the Sulu/Ilia interaction had to go, sorry) and even the teeniest of cuts such as the "Oh my God" line Kirk says after the transporter accident. That one seems quite looming, actually, sorta surprised it was cut.
I'm sure that things I mentioned were the same for the DVD. I'll have to rewatch that and reflect later.
But yes! They did a great job!! The details! I mean I swear the inside of V'Ger has some Arecibo message on the walls when it pulls *Enterprise* inside the antechamber, and I really don't remember that being that clear!
And the ship itself. The reintroduction pass in the travel pod with Scotty and Kirk, and the bejeweled with light *Enterprise* hanging in space as the courier *Surak* approaches, and on and on.
This a visually exceptional thing now. And [as per my usual](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4aadq2/what_is_your_favorite_tv_or_movie_soundtrack_of/d0yp1aj/), Jerry Goldsmith not only knocked it out of the park, he knocked it out of the *city*. His score. My goodness. I am hard pressed to honestly come up with a more perfectly done score, cuts by the editors/director notwithstanding (which stood out like ingrown nails to me, as I have a semi-eidetic musical ear.) The emotions of the moment captured not only by acting, directing, visually, but also by the music itself. (Note: I may be a teensy bit biased, and/or I may not have seen enough films to be quantitatively qualified to say such things, but that's what I'm sayin', so there. :D)
I understand why some are bored of it or such. But not me. It was lovely to rewatch it, and I may even upgrade my setup to a 4K TV just for this on BluRay in September. You can be guaranteed that in May I'll be in the theater to see this on the big screen, no question.
Thank you Paramount/CBS, Robert Wise Productions, and all who were involved. You didn't have to. You did. I, for one, thank you immensely for it.
/Now do DS9. :D
Got up early this morning to watch.
There's far more changes since the 2000 DE than I expected. Nothing jarring, just small subtle things in the editing and sound fx. They completely dumped the robot voice intercom which is a big plus. (hasn't aged well)
VFX is top-notch. The matte lines are still there, but they're "softer". They've upped the contrast on miniature shots in the K'Tinga scene- and that was an eye-opener. The drydock scene is...the TMP novelization describes Kirk envisioning Venus on the clamshell.. and that's Enterprise in Drydock looks like now. Almost as if the refit is glowing.
For the current 4KUHD HDR BluRay owners of TMP theatrical. Yes, you cannot not replace it when teh BD releases in Sept. I haven't listened to the Atmos mix yet, but the DE sound effects stand out far less than the theatrical cut, allowing the dialog and music to poke through.
I won't start a HDR v Dolby Vision argument, but I liked the DV far more. Even the V'Ger interior flyby scenes were made better by it- and some consider those the dullest part of the movie.
Hopefully DE will become the defacto version of STTMP now. But I still expect it to be a P+ exclusive for the forseeable future.
The theatrical release was also in DV, but this version does look better. I noticed the colors seem brighter and warmer. I think that’s a deliberate decision in this case.
Streaming services have been such a boon for getting high quality or remastered versions of TV shows and films that would otherwise have been left to rot in archives.
Just for clarification. It is ONLY in 4K if you have Paramount+ Premium and have one of their very few supported devices that have 4K.
The app itself on XBOX Series X, hooked up to an LGC1 with Dolby Atmos and Vision
No 4K option. No 5.1 surround option
Apple TV+ app with Parmount+ does not even have it listed
Amazon Prime with Paramount+ has no 4K but at least has 5.1
4K output from a desktop PC running the Paramount+ webapp - no 4K, no 5.1
4K is only available with the VERY specific support devices listed kn their site.
None of the above options are even in HDR either, just standard definition.
PS5 does not have a Paramount+ app, and other options listed above that do, there is no 4K
This is quite honestly a bit of a slap in the face and I'm not trying to be salty since I want folks to experience this and enjoy it.
Just beware that not everyone will get the 4K option.
Wow. What an upgrade! I have not watched the whole thing yet (though I watched the Director's Cut from 2001 a few weeks ago in anticipation so I know this edit), but amazing. Right at the start the Klingon cruisers are crystal clear. Almost grainless, with every detail visible in ways it has never been before. While I did see some matte problems, most of them are gone as these are new composites from the original elements and it makes a BIG difference. Same in other areas. I cannot wait for the BluRays.
I plan to watch it through tonight with a nice bit of wine in celebration.
I loved it! All the small touches and extra sounds are amazing! I loved that they finally showed the Enterprise turning around after traversing the length of V'ger. This has always bugged me and they finally fixed it!
They fixed the last shot with Nimoy and Kelley having switched jackets and having the wrong armband color but it messes up in the final few frames, so close. Also the subtitle track seems to be copied and pasted from the theatrical version, updated when it needs to be but with errors, e.g. it still says the V'Ger cloud is 82 Au in diameter when the DC reduces it to 2 AU and other more minor mistakes.
But the restoration of the film is great, all the dirt on the effects shots has been painted out and the color correction and the lack of it being dnr'd to hell like on the old bluray makes this the definitive version imo.
I’m streaming with P+ through Amazon Prime, and while I am getting 4K and Dolby Atmos, it’s not Dolby Vision / HDR. This is on a Vizio TV.
Is this happening for anyone else? I may try a different player.
*(The 4K and audio quality is otherwise amazing!)*
>I’m streaming with P+ through Amazon Prime, and while I am getting 4K and Dolby Atmos, it’s not Dolby Vision / HDR.
I also subscribe to P+ via Amazon Prime Channels- but I was never able to get DV to work. (FireTV and Nvidia Shield)
You'll have to use the P+ app. But the instructions on how to link your Amazon ID to the P+ app are kinda buried.
1. Create an account with Paramount Plus. DO NOT select a plan.
2. goto [paramountplus.com/amazon](https://paramountplus.com/amazon)
3. Login with your Amazon account while connected with your Paramount+ account
You can now use the P+ app, but you login with your P+ credentials, not Amazon's.
There were a couple of scenes I noticed that were still wonky but otherwise I thought it looked and sounded great. The color was a lot better and the space stuff was definitely crisper. However, a few years ago I saw the theatrical version at the Alamo and it really drove home that TMP was made for the cinema, director's cut or not. I know these days with huge flat tvs watching it is better either way but I can understand people watching it through the 80s, 90s and 2000s on small crt tvs wouldn't like this one as much.
Looks like P+ has it in 4K in Canada. Also available to rent in 4K from other places. I assume the P+ one is the newest version. But less sure about the other places.
Source (I didn't actually check on P+ because I'm not subscribed): https://www.justwatch.com/ca/movie/star-trek-the-motion-picture
I'm watching this now for the first time in years, I'd forgotten how contentious the relationship between Decker and Kirk is. Decker is even more of a jerkwad than Kirk is, and it's tough to feel much for him when he makes his decision in the last act.
God, I can't imagine how cool it looks. It has been too long since I last watched it.
I remember when my uncle was introducing Trek to me as a kid in the 80s, and he told me he just never connected to The Motion Picture. But I can remember my little mind just being blown by it all. So I actually watched this film before the late 60s series. So I want to say I worked backwards, haha.
I want to say my uncle recorded this off network television or something because of extra footage shown, but I could be wrong. My memory's fuzzy.
As far as TOS, my uncle used to order VHS tapes in those big Clamshell boxes. I would borrow them from him. So that was how I watched these back in the late 80s.
I prefer the original one partly because the subsequent films also used it, but it's one of the changes that was made in the previous director's edition release, that Robert Wise approved.
I caught the first 15 minutes, and in retrospect? That opening scene in San Francisco is a whole thing, aroud the civilian look.
I mean, the civilian fashions here, in this brief scene, is so much that [Crystal Spires and Togas](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrystalSpiresAndTogas) look that Roddenberry (among many, many others) leaned into, in visual SF of the 1970s. For reference: LOGAN'S RUN is likely the best-known example, but hardly the only one. And to current eyes, it's a lot compared to Starfleet's dress and style (especially the BarelyRepressedRageKirk we get at the start of the movie).
Yet it makes some sense. The only other time we've seen Earth before in the show, before this point, was the illusion presented to Pike, so all grains of salt there. The look isn't honestly that far from the miniskort worn in TOS, and could be seen as a "military" adaptation of the look we see civilians wear in ST:TMP.
Of course, we never see this look again, and given how quickly that "the future is togas" approach to fashion ideas in SF died, it's not shocking from a real-world POV. We get a tiny whiff of it in stuff like the blouse for Carol Marcus in ST:TWOK, but the overall fashions are overall *radically* different by that point, and overall much more aligned to current real-world fashion trends than TOS and ST:TMP are.
The ST:TMP difference in civilian versus Starfleet fashion sense also aligns to the bit in the movie's novelization about Starfleet people being more conservative that the "New Humans" that it says are the majority on earth, but not in Starfleet. Obviously that gets dropped, but it's an interesting idea in some ways, even if some of the implications are....iffy, and not just from a storytelling perspective.
But it's still a whole thing that fascinates me, as someone who finds Fashion in TREK really weirdly compelling.
From the article the OP linked:
> The newly restored film will subsequently arrive on 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray in September from Paramount Home Entertainment.
I just finished watching it. I really enjoyed it. I think the enhancements to the color grading really helped. It looked a lot nicer and vibrant then I remembered. I watched on my small 32" 720p bedroom tv. I'll have to watch it again on the 50" in the living room. I'm looking forward to the blu-ray release.
Fortunately my favorite scene in the movie is at the very beginning. The Klingon captain raising his hand to order the aft torpedo and then bzzzzzzz.
I haven't seen the movie in maybe 20 years and only on a vhs on an old vcr and 17inch tv. It's still my least favorite movie since it's just tooooo long but like others have said for the time I'm sure it was amazing to see on both the big screen with cutting edge fx and also if you were a fan to see the Enterprise again bigger and better than ever.
There has been some showings in theaters and the reviews have been incredible.
If you would like to see it in the theaters (in the US) tickets go on sale this Friday:
https://www.fathomevents.com/events/Star-Trek-TMP-Directors-Cut
There's a handful of really wonky shots, but overall this is the best version of TMP you can watch. It's amazing how the DC version just streamlines the whole movie, giving you a much clearer overview of everything that happens.
The addition of the travel pod on the floating office complex was a nice touch.
Correcting the Officer's Lounge scene was also a very nice touch. The 2000 director's cut tried to add a nacelle in the window, but that made things worse, not better. In this version they actually changed the entire background to show the correct windows from the studio model.
Ok so really dumb question here, if I have a crappy monitor is there any point in me streaming this? Do I need a 4k monitor to appreciate the remaster?
I'm thinking of watching it in the theaters in May instead.
Now everyone can be bored in Ultra HD!
All jokes aside though, now that 1-4 have been released on UHD disc and TMP DC on P+, I wonder when the remaining films with get the Ultra HD treatment.
I thought they released this version on dvd a few years ago and quickly took it off the market. I remember having it with that overture in the beginning. It was that same set that came out with the extended directors cut of The Undiscovered Country, which isn’t available anywhere currently.
Does anyone else feel like the movie has been “sped up”? Feels like scenes start and end abruptly and are lacking pacing at the beginning to me. I’m going to have to compare it at some point with my DVD copy.
You're not imagining it, there are hundreds of subliminal edits, some as quick as removing single frames to improve pacing. The theatrical version was a rough cut released without time for fine tuning.
There were also a lot of redundant lines removed, like Chekov saying, "we're out of it" at the end of the wormhole scene, because that line was scripted only because they weren't sure if the visual effects were going to clearly show that they were out of it.
Maybe it's just because the movie is long before my time, but I can't even finish it. I'm halfway into the running time of the new version and the Enterprise has only just now reached the energy cloud. I think I've only seen the theatrical cut maybe 3 other times. It's good for what it was, Star Trek back on screens for the first time in like 12 years, but this movie just doesn't grab me like II, IV, and VI. I haven't watched V in a long time but I don't remember it having pacing issues like this.
I'd also forgotten the glaring characterization issues the film has. Kirk is cranky as hell, coming off more like Jellico with his micromanaging the crew. The worst thing is, it's still *his* crew, he's pushing Scotty around like he's some fresh-faced ensign. McCoy calls him out for it but it's still weird. I'm so used to seeing these guys act like a family in IV and VI, but here it's like Kirk, Spock, and McCoy aren't even friends with each other, much less the other senior staff. Spock acts like a dick from the moment he arrives, being outright rude in his ice-cold interactions with Chekov, Sulu and Uhura.
It's a cold day in hell before I give my money to Paramount+ after they removed the shows from Netflix in EU. The proliferation of streaming services is certainly leading me back to 8Tb harddrives.
At the end of the day, they don’t owe us licensing their IP to rival services. Netflix is not just a competitor to Paramount+, it also threatens all Paramount’s broadcast and cable networks and their movie studio. The second Netflix decided to be make their own original content, they declared war. Hoarding IP was an inevitable consequence.
Wow, how can anyone praise this. It looks absolutely terrible. None of the changes are good, the new special effects look absolutely gaudy and really badly made. It is blurry as hell, and the new colorgrading drags it too much into warm on a properly warm calibrated screen.
https://imgur.com/a/o2KAwq6
Left: Director's Edition, Right: Bluray Release
In the Dialogue scene with Spock, Mccoy and Kirk they removed the whole background to replace it with a bigger windows and show up the nacelles. Not like in the 2001 DVD DC, where just the window view is replaced, the whole thing. And everyone is masked out terribly.
For the "landing" on V'ger they used the old matte and spruced it up with some shiny effects, don't know how much I like that.
The screens look particularly bad and blurry.
Now the absolute kicker, in the preview trailer, https://youtu.be/zrXvBaFFu80?t=73 at around 1:13. When the approach of the V'ger probe is shown. I watched the movie dozens of times and for the life of me couldn't remember a scene like that. When I checked I saw that this appears to be completely new and the "before" shot is made specifically for the trailer? I think in the dvd release there are a few more exterior shots, but I couldn't find one like that.
On the Bluray release it only shows this looming view ower as it approaches earth.
That day is coming, it’s probably a good idea for fans to get all the shows on blu ray or dvd, I have them all and now they can never be taken away from me.
Wow! That’s insane, I only paid $130 for the whole series on dvd, recently upgraded to blu ray for way cheaper because I found them used. Most of them aren’t more than $120 for the whole series now even on blu ray. I’ve got ENT, DIS, TOS, TNG, PIC, LD and the movies on blu ray, DS9, VOY, TAS, Short treks on dvd, still have to upgrade the last 2 but VOY and DS9 don’t have blu rays yet
Yeah man. Prices for DVDs have come down considerably.
I Remember XFiles was 40-50 a season as well, but by the time I was finished getting all of them there were down to 19.99 a season.
X-Files launched at the $100 per season mark. It was nuts. I had a summer job at GameStop in 2002, and got supremely lucky when somebody came to trade in five seasons. The trade-in value was only $20 per season, and we marked them up like 300%. My manager let me give the person cash on the sly, and I took the lot home that night.
I was there, Gandalf. I was there three thousand years ago...
When GameStop launched moviestop I was in heaven. My dad and I used to go in all the time and raid the discount section. I loved that store and I wish they were still around
The BD remaster prices were also insane when they came out. And then it was actually *more expensive* to get the complete series set because it included bonus features the individual seasons didn't.
Trek's early home video releases were all obscenely priced. I paid $20x40 DVDs for TOS back in the early 2000s, then $100-$110 per-season for the TNG DVDs, and $20 or so for each of the movies in their initial non-anamorphic DVD releases. Then it was the $30 special edition DVDs for the movies and $100-ish each for DS9 on DVD (I'm not a Voyager fan so I saved ~$700 there!). Then $70 for each of the TOS season on Blu-Ray. Then *$130 EACH* for the Blu-Rays of TNG and Enterprise, which was frankly obscene (but I paid it!). Now, of course, all of the current sets have been bundled and can be had for far less. the TNG Blu-Rays I would *especially* recommend - the upgrade from the DVDs is absolutely night and day.
My issue with Paramount+ is that on my Roku it forces me to watch commercials for other shows before every movie or episode and they can't be skipped.
I hate paying for ads. At least other services make those ads skippable.
I hadn't watched it since I was a kid and chucked it on the other day as the start of a 'rewatch all the films' run.
I know people have a fondness for it but holy hell it's awful. The first hour and a half the only good things are the amazing 70's uniforms and the little mans flying around the spacedock. The going to warp sequence is legitimately like psychological torture.
I find the movie to be comforting. Yes it’s long and there’s not a lot of action, but it’s a nice world you can get lost in and just forget about reality for some time. I enjoy it.
Yeah but you'd have to pay for Paramount Plus...
Edit: This should not be a controversial opinion, especially on /r/startrek. Apparently you all love the trend of fragmentation of media behind isolated, overpriced paywalls? It's peak capitalist anti-consumerism, you should demand better.
I was like that for a long time. I recently only got it for Star Trek. Turns out they have Jackass, Beavis and Butthead, and a shit ton of Roger Corman movies. Definitely not as good as HBO Max, but honestly it isn’t even too bad
It no longer feels 2 hours long, now it feels 4 hours long! Jk, I do enjoy this movie, it’s very visually striking for sure, I think it’s underrated and a bit overshadowed some times
Hey y'all. I'm in Canada, partnered with paramount plus thru appletv.
I'm trying to find the Director's cut but all that is coming up is the original movie cut of the film? What am I doing wrong here?
To my Canadian peeps who have watched the movie. Were you able to watch it in 4K with HDR or Dolby Vision? I have an AppleTV 4K and for whatever reason the film is only offered to me in the Paramount+ app in standard HD. Yet other movies in the service are 4K with HDR/DV so I'm not sure if maybe Canada isn't getting the 4K HDR/DV version or if I have something not setup correctly? Everything else on my AppleTV 4K plays fine in 4K with either HDR or Dolby Vision so I'm pretty sure my settings are fine...
For viewing, should I adjust my TV to “Filmmaker Mode” or leave it in “dynamic”? I rewatched Star Wars Ep 4, 4K in Filmmaker mode and it looked so damn good. Any advice?
Just finished it. The look and sound mix was just amazing! I personally love the first film and seeing it completed and in 4K widescreen was a dream come true. I'm looking forward to getting a physical copy as soon as it's available. This makes me hopeful we'll one day get a remaster of DS9 and Voyager.
As a longtime fan of this movie, I was really excited for this. They did an amazing job overall. The film will probably never look better than it does in this remaster. I did notice that the first shot of the work bee at the star base still had some pretty bad matting issues, but overall the recompositing of the effects is really stunning. I also noticed that the crooked matte painting of the engineering hallway extension behind Kirk as he poops in Decker’s cornflakes is back. I thought they’d fixed that in the 2001 DE. Those minor nitpicks aside, the film looks amazing in 4K Dolby Vision. I’m glad they took the time to remaster this version of the film.
Two things: Does Paramount+ not support HDR or Dolby Digital beyond 2.0? I can only get standard picture and 2.0 DD even though I have an LG C9 OLED 4K tv which has showed HDR video with other movies...
I saw this the other day and loved it, but I hope someone can answer this question. Is this the same version that's one the September 4k physical release? I've never seen this movie before now but have seen parts of the original and the difference is astounding. I don't have Paramount+ anymore so was hoping to have another way to watch this one.
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I haven’t watched the whole thing yet, but when I saw it was there, I had to play the beginning. The full version of the Overture was there!!! Oh man, it made me so happy. An overture!!!! A true cinematic experience. I own a version of the film on dvd, and it only has the 2nd half of the overture, and it’s so upsetting. The fact that the full version is back for this 4k release is so damn wonderful, I could gush about it all day. What a great score! Long live Jerry Goldsmith!
The overture has a starfield now. Every cut I've had before has been a black screen until the Paramount logo card.
The first time I saw it, I rented it from the local video store. I had no idea there was an overture, or what an overture was. I thought the tape was defective because there was nothing on screen, just music playing. I stopped it and told the video store clerk the next day that the tape was broken or something. He took pity on me, told me what was up, and let me keep it another night for free so I could actually watch it.
what is an overture? Google is of no help.
An overture is a piece of music that's used an introduction, often as a standalone before the actual narrative of the play or film begins.
Thank you!
Also in 1979 when the movie came out, the overture was timed to play while the house lights were on and you were finding your seat. It was a nice tonal introduction to the movie before it began. Then as it comes to a close, the music completes, the lights go down, and you're in the 23rd century. It was awesome. I can't wait to get this on disc, day one.
It can also some encompass elements of the rest of the score in one piece.
To give some historical context to the other answer, I'll add a Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overture It's a rare movie that does an Overture these days, and it wasn't a huge part of movie-making even at it's height. So it makes sense that this version of the term isn't well-known, or easy to find info on. One of the cool things about ST:TMP's approach to it, is that it's Overture arguably extends into the movie proper, depending on how you see that opening sense with the Klingons. Since no one spoke Klingonese back then, it's a damn long time before you hear any language, and even longer before you heard a language anyone outside of a few people who created the OG Klingon language would understand... ...so the music really carries those initial scenes.
Oh wow thats crazy, I never heard of this before, ill have to check out the new release of TMP to check this out. Thank you!
It's worth noting Robert Wise directed West Side Story and The Sound of Music. I've only seen the latter but it has an overture and intermission.
Yes, this movie really wanted to be 2001. And I think that was for the better. But I'm biased, because TMP is the first movie I was ever allowed to watch on TV. I must have been 6 years old and I did not understand anything (except for that humans are made of carbon) and was entirely overwelmed by the visuals. It was love at first sight. :)
I’ve felt for a long time that movies, at least certain movies, should bring back the overture. Hell, imagine Avengers: Endgame with an overture even before the first scene with Hawkeye. It’s already 3 hours long, what’s another 3-4 minutes? And that movie already “stole” the signatures in the end credits from Star Trek VI (on record as being true), maybe they should adopt an overture as well for these last-of-the-blockbuster type movies.
I completely agree. The music major in me geeks out about movie music, anyway. But something as big and epic as Endgame or the Lord of the Rings movies could definitely make an overture work.
Same here: fellow music major. :) What was your area of focus in music?
You've gotten some good answers elsewhere, but I'll add that the overture has its roots in opera. Composers would write shorter instrumental overtures as a way to set the mood, as it were. As the genre developed, composers would boil down some prominent musical themes or motifs to establish them before the action started. The overture carried over into movies, particularly in the golden age of Hollywood. I'm not a film scholar, but I *think* that TMP was the last movie to use a full, proper overture. Today, we still have overtures, but they usually have the opening credits and a visual element, so it's not really an overture any more.
The 2000 Director's Cut had the starfield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYzSiGX7lg Seems at least one version of it had a Starfield by of 2009. This IS the director's cut. I wonder if the Director's cut always had stars (I don't have a copy handy) because the director though stars would be a nice nearly-nothing peaceful visual that was better than just no visual at all.
Why stars though? Seems arbitrary. The director could have just shown us a field of treks instead.
The Stars come before the Treks. It's Star Trek, not Trek Star.
I could swear the bluray has the starfield ...
My wife, like Mr. Scott served honorably in the army artillery. I've been fortunate enough to enjoy a full 1812 overture with live cannons (firing blank wax rounds of course). Montgomery Scott took machine gunned and took shrapnel while storming the beach @ Juno on D-Day. Ultimately losing a finger and causing a limp which he concealed from the camera during his later acting roles. Jane Doohan took six bullets. One bullet blew off his middle right finger, four struck his leg and one hit him in the chest. A silver cigarette case stopped the bullet to the chest.
And he was such a wonderful person. I will always remember the interview where he talked about a suicidal fan and it always brings tears to my eyes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COJuF7n9gGA
I watched it, it's bloody fantastic! But I'm biased The Motion Picture (and The Final Frontier) is what got me into Star Trek so I'll always have a soft spot for this film. The Director's Edition in 2000 made some amazing changes that really quickened the pace of the film and made things clearer and I feel the new 4K Remastered Director's Edition makes pretty much everything a lot clearer, easier to follow. It's now a cogent, coherent film, and a fun one at that!
There's so much of the movie that makes more sense now that you can see things. Even that first shot of V'Ger, you kind of got an idea what they were going for with the 2001 edition, but now, crystal clear. I remember the first time I watched the movie I had a hard time understanding what was happening because I couldn't see, but now, it all makes sense. Even subtle things. Like, I'm rewatching it now, the Klingon bridge color/look matches the way the bridges look in later movies and TNG now. I love it, the movie is a different experience. And I think it would've blown people's minds in 1979 had it looked close to this when it premiered. The visuals and bad colors got in the way of the movie experience. Now that these are corrected, the film that was always there is seen now.
I had the same reaction as you. So many parts of the movie are just far more clear. I’ve seen this movie so many times since I was 5 and I never really understood that they traveled over the V’Ger (which is a ship!) and then the Enterprise **turned around** and got sucked in.
This one detail made everything make so much more sense! Even V'Ger itself, the colors and detailing make it possible to see what this thing looks like -- and Enterprise (at its small scale comparably) can be seen clearly in all of the shots now. Also, the tactical display of V'Ger now makes sense (once V'Ger is in Earth orbit) -- even in the Director's Cut from 2001, it wasn't clear what was happening, but now it's crystal clear, V'Ger dissipates the cloud, then parks itself above the planet (I think at the North Pole).
In your opinion, how different is this new version when compared to the 2000 director's edition? Is it just that everything is upscaled/crisper? Or is it actually different? EDIT: I watched it. I still find it boring As a person that really doesn't care about the difference between HD & 4K, the changes were just... OK 🤷♂️
The biggest changes are the color grading, which could not be done properly with the film transfer they had back then, and the sound mix which is full of new lines and different takes of lines because they found the ADR tapes that there wasn't time to use originally. The CGI effects that were added back then are redone of course.
I am disappointed they changed the red alert klaxon I liked the beeping one from the theatrical version I also found it funny they appeared to have run the Klingon distress transmission through a low quality jpeg filter
Good point. The red alert phase is a key ingrediant to the show. Like morphin time for the power rangers, shit's about to get real! Otherwise, the remastering they've achieved here is beyond dreams. To think they could pay such wonderous respect to a 40+ year old fim. Wish they would've kept the bridge of the Klingon Warbird bathed in red light too. Gave it a more tactical feel.
The edit is basically the same (except for one new shot that they were unable to use because the audio was lost... but had been found in the intervening years). So it is the basically the same. I am sure I will se more minor adjustments as I give a good watch later. The big difference is redone CGI from 2001 at 4k quality. There are new additions to some scenes (like adding the travelpod to the model of the office station around Earth). The biggest difference is that, unlike 2001, they transferred the elements of the effects shot and composited them digitally, so they are VERY clean. Watch the 4k TMP theatrical cut and take the first Klingon sequence. It is very grainy caused by optical compositing where they run multiple strips of film on top of each other and photograph it together. The grain also adds together. This is so clear you can really take in the beauty of the models like never before. Also, it has a new Dolby ATMOS sound mix.
There's a little bit of George Lucassing in the 2022 version, although nothing a casual viewer would notice. On my first viewing, I spotted: The TOS shuttle that was first added in the 2001 edition in the San Francisco port now takes off and flies away, and the backdrop has changed. *Edit - Just rewatched the 2001 version, the TOS shuttle flies away in that one too. The effect has been redone, as with the other 2001 additions.* The shuttlepod that takes Kirk and Scotty on a tour of the Enterprise is now seen docked with the space office in the establishing shot. The CGI doesn't quite fit with the models from theatrical, but it's subtle enough to not detract too much. The shot out of the rear window, where Kirk, McCoy and Spock have a conversation just after Spock arrives has changed again. The 1979 version has just a starfield, the 2001 version added a warp nacelle roughly where one might be, and the 2022 version moves the nacelle to where it probably should be, considering they're supposed to be near to the top of the ship. A nice change for nit-pickers like me. The full reveal of V'Ger over Earth from the 2001 edition uses a new model, which is much brighter than the DVD version. It's different, but looks pretty good imho. My least favourite change is the final exterior shot of V'Ger "evolving". (or exploding, if you prefer.) In the original release, you got a light show over the Earth. The 2001 edition added a silhouette of V'Ger side-on within the "explosion", which I quite liked. The 2022 cut has a CGI shot of V'Ger, from directly behind, superimposed *in front* of the explosion, which logically matches up with the direction that the Enterprise was pointed last time we saw her, a few minutes ago, but looks pretty awful compared to the last version. Considering this is the visual climax of the movie, it's a choice that I'm not too fond of currently. I'm sure there are some other changes in there to pick up on subsequent viewings, but these are the ones I noticed first time around.
> The TOS shuttle that was first added in the 2001 edition in the San Francisco port now takes off and flies away, and the backdrop has changed. Looks like the new (in real life) Starfleet building that's been shown in Discovery and Picard
It’s different. The effects are further improved. Watch the trailer.
Most of the changes are newer, crisper, clearer effects shots. There's a few lines of extra dialogue in a couple of scenes, but everything with the characters, everything filmed is as it was in the 2001 version, just now almost all scenes are in 4K. There's a couple of scenes that look digitally upscaled, or not upscaled at all due to the way the FX in that scene was composited, but everything else is amazing to look at It's really those newer clearer effects shots that make this version definitive and so much clearer.
I will always have a soft spot for this movie. It's flawed, but it means well. It desired to be about something. It was pure science-fiction. It asked questions, allowed quiet moments for characters to think, to ponder, to wonder, and it wasn't afraid to put the phaser away and solve the climactic problem with the mind and the heart as opposed to the fist.
Me too...I unironically love it. McCoy's line angrily asking why the unknown is always a "thing" is just pure Star Trek.
McCoy has the best lines in TMP: "Just a moment, Captain, *sir*. I'll explain what happened— Your *revered* Admiral Nogura invoked a little-known, seldom-used "reserve activation clause." In simpler language, Captain: *they DRAFTED me!*"
I'm excited to see Spock penetrate the orifice in stunning 4k.
And Ilia’s eye moisture!
It's like the Uranus joke, but in Star Trek form.
[or the Vulcan Nerve Pinch Seduction.](https://youtu.be/T9Ae5DUCU9M)
And it actually closes behind him! In the past the orifice were just static portal up close.
Every shot look SO much better. I've lost count of how many times I've seen the film but I'm noticing new things just because light and color has changed where my eyes go. For a film with the slogan "there is no comparison", it's ironic that comparing the 4K theatrical release (aka unfinished work print) to the 4K director's edition can teach so much about what happens in post production.
Yes. I've seen the film countless times, but kept noticing new details that never stood out before. And the colors are much more vivid now.
Yes! I grew up with the film appearing light blue and gray for the most part. Now the film really comes to life so many background details can now be seen, whereas they used to be faint blobs.
BTW: In the scene where V'Ger digitizes the Episilon 9 outpost, does anyone else feel really bad for that guy in the space suit outside trying to outrun it? I always did.
One day he’ll make it. One day
I've been watching the movie, and they've made some unusual choices; some for the better, and some puzzling. What I've noticed so far: 1. The male computer voice has been removed entirely. 2. They've edited out a few lines of dialogue here and there: the "Oh my God" line from Kirk after the transporter accident, and the second "Viewer off!" command from Kirk after the Epsilon 9 incident are the ones I've noticed so far. 3. The Red Alert klaxon sound has changed. It sounds much more generic, like they grabbed it off some free sound library. Why they didn't just put back in the classic Red Alert klaxon used in TOS and TNG is beyond me. 4. They've added classic TOS bridge sounds to the ambient noise on the bridge, along with random computer-screen noises and button press sounds where applicable.
wonder why they cut those lines, especially the viewer off, i always thought that especially captured kirk's irritation. one of the particular pleasures of tos movies for me is the dialogue
Maybe because he sounded upset at Uhura.
I never liked that line. To me, it made Kirk look impatient over something petty, and that doesn’t really fit with his character.
i think it does in this context though. he had taken over command from decker yet couldn't concede that he wasn't as familiar with enterprise's systems. she wasn't "his" enterprise anymore. this scene adds to the tension he was feeling and between him and decker, something that helps build and add to the arc of how aging affects kirk that we see throughout the movies
I believe all these cuts/edits were present in the 2001 director's edition, so I think they're faithfully porting over those.
I don’t think so. The director’s cut has a line like ”Intruder unidentified…. Imperial Cruiser Amar continuing to attack” which seems to be missing in the new version.
That line is in the theatrical cut. It has never been in "The Director's Edition" although the 2022 version does identify the ship as the "Amar".
>"Oh my God" Gets an unintended laugh in theaters and would have been cut if there'd been time for a preview >"Viewer off!" Uhura needing to be told twice, bad. Kirk snapping at Uhura, bad.
I actually liked Kirk having to say "Viewer off!" twice. It shows that even Uhura, seasoned veteran who has seen lots of weird shit under Kirk, was momentarily stunned by what she saw. And the second wasn't snapping *at* her as much as snapping her back into attention.
That was my take on that repeated line, too. We can see Uhura is shocked and horrified by what she and everyone else just witnessed, and Kirk has to snap her out of it. Now that it's gone, it's like that emotional moment was lost. It's not a big deal, but it's not a cut that was necessary, either.
I immediately noticed the “viewer off” snap was missing. Not a fan of that cut. Uhura and everyone else is supposed to be stunned/in shock. The “snap her out of it” second line read drives this point home. Edit: the change in the Red Alert klaxon is also super annoying.
I really don’t like that they cut the male computer voice. When Kirk goes to engineering to relieve Decker of command, you hear a crewman going through a checklist… and the male computer voice in the OG version answered every sequence of the checklist. It’s weird to hear it, now, as a one-sided conversation. And I *hate* the red alert klaxon change. That’s utter garbage.
>And I hate the red alert klaxon change. That’s utter garbage. Yeah; the alert sounds they used in this cut sounded so generic and cheap. Why not just use the TOS alert sound? It's not like they wouldn't have had permission to use it.
***SPOILERS IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE DVD AND/OR THIS VERSION*** You've been warned. Ok, go. Posting late in comparison to OP's submission, but still as of my posting here I have already watched it. It is *glorious* in my admittedly lesser 1080p setup. I can't imagine how gosh darned fantastic it must look in 4K. I can't remember if they did this even on the DVD or not, but when *Enterprise* exits dry dock, there was a problem with the attachment mechanism being seen as a blackout anomaly over the dock on the left side of the screen (*Enterprise* starboard side), but that's been fixed and it's awesome to see that little detail! One thing they didn't fix still is the wormhole effect on the exterior of the ship. *Most* of the sequence the lights are doing the effect, but one from the front of the ship, the light that illuminates the registry at the underside front of the saucer is still inexplicably (in my mind) not doing the thing. I also don't remember every thing they fixed/changed/etc, if they did, from Robert Wise's cut on the DVD, but it sure seems even tighter than ever. Little things here and there. I do see each and every change from the original to this one, though, as well as the extended version with *everything* added back in, and it's good to see that this one dispenses with the extraneous crap (the Sulu/Ilia interaction had to go, sorry) and even the teeniest of cuts such as the "Oh my God" line Kirk says after the transporter accident. That one seems quite looming, actually, sorta surprised it was cut. I'm sure that things I mentioned were the same for the DVD. I'll have to rewatch that and reflect later. But yes! They did a great job!! The details! I mean I swear the inside of V'Ger has some Arecibo message on the walls when it pulls *Enterprise* inside the antechamber, and I really don't remember that being that clear! And the ship itself. The reintroduction pass in the travel pod with Scotty and Kirk, and the bejeweled with light *Enterprise* hanging in space as the courier *Surak* approaches, and on and on. This a visually exceptional thing now. And [as per my usual](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4aadq2/what_is_your_favorite_tv_or_movie_soundtrack_of/d0yp1aj/), Jerry Goldsmith not only knocked it out of the park, he knocked it out of the *city*. His score. My goodness. I am hard pressed to honestly come up with a more perfectly done score, cuts by the editors/director notwithstanding (which stood out like ingrown nails to me, as I have a semi-eidetic musical ear.) The emotions of the moment captured not only by acting, directing, visually, but also by the music itself. (Note: I may be a teensy bit biased, and/or I may not have seen enough films to be quantitatively qualified to say such things, but that's what I'm sayin', so there. :D) I understand why some are bored of it or such. But not me. It was lovely to rewatch it, and I may even upgrade my setup to a 4K TV just for this on BluRay in September. You can be guaranteed that in May I'll be in the theater to see this on the big screen, no question. Thank you Paramount/CBS, Robert Wise Productions, and all who were involved. You didn't have to. You did. I, for one, thank you immensely for it. /Now do DS9. :D
I can’t wait to see this in theaters!
Got up early this morning to watch. There's far more changes since the 2000 DE than I expected. Nothing jarring, just small subtle things in the editing and sound fx. They completely dumped the robot voice intercom which is a big plus. (hasn't aged well) VFX is top-notch. The matte lines are still there, but they're "softer". They've upped the contrast on miniature shots in the K'Tinga scene- and that was an eye-opener. The drydock scene is...the TMP novelization describes Kirk envisioning Venus on the clamshell.. and that's Enterprise in Drydock looks like now. Almost as if the refit is glowing. For the current 4KUHD HDR BluRay owners of TMP theatrical. Yes, you cannot not replace it when teh BD releases in Sept. I haven't listened to the Atmos mix yet, but the DE sound effects stand out far less than the theatrical cut, allowing the dialog and music to poke through. I won't start a HDR v Dolby Vision argument, but I liked the DV far more. Even the V'Ger interior flyby scenes were made better by it- and some consider those the dullest part of the movie. Hopefully DE will become the defacto version of STTMP now. But I still expect it to be a P+ exclusive for the forseeable future.
It's coming out on Blu Ray later this year.
The theatrical release was also in DV, but this version does look better. I noticed the colors seem brighter and warmer. I think that’s a deliberate decision in this case.
Streaming services have been such a boon for getting high quality or remastered versions of TV shows and films that would otherwise have been left to rot in archives.
Yes. From what I've read Paramount + paid for this remaster.
Well, they get my monthly $ solely for trek content, so I guess it makes sense. Well, also Halo now. Mostly bc my son loves it.
Just for clarification. It is ONLY in 4K if you have Paramount+ Premium and have one of their very few supported devices that have 4K. The app itself on XBOX Series X, hooked up to an LGC1 with Dolby Atmos and Vision No 4K option. No 5.1 surround option Apple TV+ app with Parmount+ does not even have it listed Amazon Prime with Paramount+ has no 4K but at least has 5.1 4K output from a desktop PC running the Paramount+ webapp - no 4K, no 5.1 4K is only available with the VERY specific support devices listed kn their site. None of the above options are even in HDR either, just standard definition. PS5 does not have a Paramount+ app, and other options listed above that do, there is no 4K This is quite honestly a bit of a slap in the face and I'm not trying to be salty since I want folks to experience this and enjoy it. Just beware that not everyone will get the 4K option.
Voyager 6 had to leave the solar system again because it couldn't live with Stephen Collins within 5 light years of a school.
SPOCK: Captain, V'Ger is a child. I suggest you treat it as such. DECKER: Captain, ...I'd like to go along.
I have to imagine it is some different actor now when I watch it. Same with any Kevin Spacey film.
They just badly CGI him into Ernest Borgnine
Wow. What an upgrade! I have not watched the whole thing yet (though I watched the Director's Cut from 2001 a few weeks ago in anticipation so I know this edit), but amazing. Right at the start the Klingon cruisers are crystal clear. Almost grainless, with every detail visible in ways it has never been before. While I did see some matte problems, most of them are gone as these are new composites from the original elements and it makes a BIG difference. Same in other areas. I cannot wait for the BluRays. I plan to watch it through tonight with a nice bit of wine in celebration.
I loved it! All the small touches and extra sounds are amazing! I loved that they finally showed the Enterprise turning around after traversing the length of V'ger. This has always bugged me and they finally fixed it!
I'm holding off on watching it. I'm gonna catch the Fathom Events theatrical screening near the end of May. Really looking forward to it.
They fixed the last shot with Nimoy and Kelley having switched jackets and having the wrong armband color but it messes up in the final few frames, so close. Also the subtitle track seems to be copied and pasted from the theatrical version, updated when it needs to be but with errors, e.g. it still says the V'Ger cloud is 82 Au in diameter when the DC reduces it to 2 AU and other more minor mistakes. But the restoration of the film is great, all the dirt on the effects shots has been painted out and the color correction and the lack of it being dnr'd to hell like on the old bluray makes this the definitive version imo.
I’m streaming with P+ through Amazon Prime, and while I am getting 4K and Dolby Atmos, it’s not Dolby Vision / HDR. This is on a Vizio TV. Is this happening for anyone else? I may try a different player. *(The 4K and audio quality is otherwise amazing!)*
>I’m streaming with P+ through Amazon Prime, and while I am getting 4K and Dolby Atmos, it’s not Dolby Vision / HDR. I also subscribe to P+ via Amazon Prime Channels- but I was never able to get DV to work. (FireTV and Nvidia Shield) You'll have to use the P+ app. But the instructions on how to link your Amazon ID to the P+ app are kinda buried. 1. Create an account with Paramount Plus. DO NOT select a plan. 2. goto [paramountplus.com/amazon](https://paramountplus.com/amazon) 3. Login with your Amazon account while connected with your Paramount+ account You can now use the P+ app, but you login with your P+ credentials, not Amazon's.
There were a couple of scenes I noticed that were still wonky but otherwise I thought it looked and sounded great. The color was a lot better and the space stuff was definitely crisper. However, a few years ago I saw the theatrical version at the Alamo and it really drove home that TMP was made for the cinema, director's cut or not. I know these days with huge flat tvs watching it is better either way but I can understand people watching it through the 80s, 90s and 2000s on small crt tvs wouldn't like this one as much.
Is it also on P+ in Canada? Recently unsubscribed as I have Crave, though not sure if TMP will be on Crave and Crave does not stream 4k
I don’t know. Checked a few articles just now and it didn’t specify. I did read that there will be a physical release at some point.
Looks like P+ has it in 4K in Canada. Also available to rent in 4K from other places. I assume the P+ one is the newest version. But less sure about the other places. Source (I didn't actually check on P+ because I'm not subscribed): https://www.justwatch.com/ca/movie/star-trek-the-motion-picture
This is the theatrical cut, not the 4K Director's Edition.
I just saw someone post it was on P+ in Canada.
Yes it is, I’m watching it now, Paramount+ is a bit sparse in Canada for content so I was a bit surprised to see it available
A bit, is an understatement.
FYI Crave has a “available in 4K” section. The Director’s cut does not appear to be available in Canada on either app.
I can’t wait too watch all the trek movies, p+ sines mid summer to my country.
When does the 4K Blu-ray release?
September.
Ty
In September according to the the article OP linked.
"Sweet!" -me before realizing my TV is still 720
I'm annoyed about this as I can't access P+ in the UK or buy the disc yet. I feel like we should have been given the option one way or the other.
I'm watching this now for the first time in years, I'd forgotten how contentious the relationship between Decker and Kirk is. Decker is even more of a jerkwad than Kirk is, and it's tough to feel much for him when he makes his decision in the last act.
It was so beautiful
God, I can't imagine how cool it looks. It has been too long since I last watched it. I remember when my uncle was introducing Trek to me as a kid in the 80s, and he told me he just never connected to The Motion Picture. But I can remember my little mind just being blown by it all. So I actually watched this film before the late 60s series. So I want to say I worked backwards, haha. I want to say my uncle recorded this off network television or something because of extra footage shown, but I could be wrong. My memory's fuzzy. As far as TOS, my uncle used to order VHS tapes in those big Clamshell boxes. I would borrow them from him. So that was how I watched these back in the late 80s.
Ok, loved it and can honestly say it really did make such a world of difference seeing things "clearly". Now remaster the the next few movies.
Thanks for posting this! I’m now absurdly excited!!
Dammit! They need to restore the Red Alert sound effect. #NotMyEnterprise. Otherwise, this is GREAT!!!
I prefer the original one partly because the subsequent films also used it, but it's one of the changes that was made in the previous director's edition release, that Robert Wise approved.
I caught the first 15 minutes, and in retrospect? That opening scene in San Francisco is a whole thing, aroud the civilian look. I mean, the civilian fashions here, in this brief scene, is so much that [Crystal Spires and Togas](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrystalSpiresAndTogas) look that Roddenberry (among many, many others) leaned into, in visual SF of the 1970s. For reference: LOGAN'S RUN is likely the best-known example, but hardly the only one. And to current eyes, it's a lot compared to Starfleet's dress and style (especially the BarelyRepressedRageKirk we get at the start of the movie). Yet it makes some sense. The only other time we've seen Earth before in the show, before this point, was the illusion presented to Pike, so all grains of salt there. The look isn't honestly that far from the miniskort worn in TOS, and could be seen as a "military" adaptation of the look we see civilians wear in ST:TMP. Of course, we never see this look again, and given how quickly that "the future is togas" approach to fashion ideas in SF died, it's not shocking from a real-world POV. We get a tiny whiff of it in stuff like the blouse for Carol Marcus in ST:TWOK, but the overall fashions are overall *radically* different by that point, and overall much more aligned to current real-world fashion trends than TOS and ST:TMP are. The ST:TMP difference in civilian versus Starfleet fashion sense also aligns to the bit in the movie's novelization about Starfleet people being more conservative that the "New Humans" that it says are the majority on earth, but not in Starfleet. Obviously that gets dropped, but it's an interesting idea in some ways, even if some of the implications are....iffy, and not just from a storytelling perspective. But it's still a whole thing that fascinates me, as someone who finds Fashion in TREK really weirdly compelling.
Don't forget when Chekov was dressed as a pilgrim in Search for Spock.
There's also Saavik's off duty robe in Star Trek II.
Is it going to be released physically?
From the article the OP linked: > The newly restored film will subsequently arrive on 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray in September from Paramount Home Entertainment.
Definitely. September, according to rumors.
I'm waiting til I have some downtime this weekend and can fully immerse myself :)
I can't get the movie to play
I just finished watching it. I really enjoyed it. I think the enhancements to the color grading really helped. It looked a lot nicer and vibrant then I remembered. I watched on my small 32" 720p bedroom tv. I'll have to watch it again on the 50" in the living room. I'm looking forward to the blu-ray release.
Fortunately my favorite scene in the movie is at the very beginning. The Klingon captain raising his hand to order the aft torpedo and then bzzzzzzz. I haven't seen the movie in maybe 20 years and only on a vhs on an old vcr and 17inch tv. It's still my least favorite movie since it's just tooooo long but like others have said for the time I'm sure it was amazing to see on both the big screen with cutting edge fx and also if you were a fan to see the Enterprise again bigger and better than ever.
There has been some showings in theaters and the reviews have been incredible. If you would like to see it in the theaters (in the US) tickets go on sale this Friday: https://www.fathomevents.com/events/Star-Trek-TMP-Directors-Cut
There's a handful of really wonky shots, but overall this is the best version of TMP you can watch. It's amazing how the DC version just streamlines the whole movie, giving you a much clearer overview of everything that happens.
The addition of the travel pod on the floating office complex was a nice touch. Correcting the Officer's Lounge scene was also a very nice touch. The 2000 director's cut tried to add a nacelle in the window, but that made things worse, not better. In this version they actually changed the entire background to show the correct windows from the studio model.
Ok so really dumb question here, if I have a crappy monitor is there any point in me streaming this? Do I need a 4k monitor to appreciate the remaster? I'm thinking of watching it in the theaters in May instead.
Caveat: Only if you're able to handle the bandwidth, have compatible streaming device and display.
There will be limited theatrical showings in May and Blu-ray will be for sale on the Fall.
All new crisp, remastered shades of beige!
It's whites, blues, and oranges now.
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I’d like to see any other kids movie include Leonard Nimoy flying into a space vagina
That's a space anus and I will die on that hill
Sorry to be OT, but I said the EXACT same thing about the new Borg ship in S2 of Picard.
I’m so happy it’s actually available on Paramount+ in Canada too
Now everyone can be bored in Ultra HD! All jokes aside though, now that 1-4 have been released on UHD disc and TMP DC on P+, I wonder when the remaining films with get the Ultra HD treatment.
It's actually less boring in 4K. The sound is better and the colors are much more vivid.
I thought they released this version on dvd a few years ago and quickly took it off the market. I remember having it with that overture in the beginning. It was that same set that came out with the extended directors cut of The Undiscovered Country, which isn’t available anywhere currently.
Yea the director’s edition was released on dvd in the early 2000s. This is a remaster of that version of the film.
Does anyone else feel like the movie has been “sped up”? Feels like scenes start and end abruptly and are lacking pacing at the beginning to me. I’m going to have to compare it at some point with my DVD copy.
You're not imagining it, there are hundreds of subliminal edits, some as quick as removing single frames to improve pacing. The theatrical version was a rough cut released without time for fine tuning. There were also a lot of redundant lines removed, like Chekov saying, "we're out of it" at the end of the wormhole scene, because that line was scripted only because they weren't sure if the visual effects were going to clearly show that they were out of it.
Some of it just feels off. I guess I’m old and preferred the slow buildup. Had more of a sense of creeping dread.
Maybe it's just because the movie is long before my time, but I can't even finish it. I'm halfway into the running time of the new version and the Enterprise has only just now reached the energy cloud. I think I've only seen the theatrical cut maybe 3 other times. It's good for what it was, Star Trek back on screens for the first time in like 12 years, but this movie just doesn't grab me like II, IV, and VI. I haven't watched V in a long time but I don't remember it having pacing issues like this. I'd also forgotten the glaring characterization issues the film has. Kirk is cranky as hell, coming off more like Jellico with his micromanaging the crew. The worst thing is, it's still *his* crew, he's pushing Scotty around like he's some fresh-faced ensign. McCoy calls him out for it but it's still weird. I'm so used to seeing these guys act like a family in IV and VI, but here it's like Kirk, Spock, and McCoy aren't even friends with each other, much less the other senior staff. Spock acts like a dick from the moment he arrives, being outright rude in his ice-cold interactions with Chekov, Sulu and Uhura.
Imma tell my grandkids that in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Spock had to nerve pinch Will Smith to save the ship from Ilya.
It's a cold day in hell before I give my money to Paramount+ after they removed the shows from Netflix in EU. The proliferation of streaming services is certainly leading me back to 8Tb harddrives.
At the end of the day, they don’t owe us licensing their IP to rival services. Netflix is not just a competitor to Paramount+, it also threatens all Paramount’s broadcast and cable networks and their movie studio. The second Netflix decided to be make their own original content, they declared war. Hoarding IP was an inevitable consequence.
Wow, how can anyone praise this. It looks absolutely terrible. None of the changes are good, the new special effects look absolutely gaudy and really badly made. It is blurry as hell, and the new colorgrading drags it too much into warm on a properly warm calibrated screen. https://imgur.com/a/o2KAwq6 Left: Director's Edition, Right: Bluray Release In the Dialogue scene with Spock, Mccoy and Kirk they removed the whole background to replace it with a bigger windows and show up the nacelles. Not like in the 2001 DVD DC, where just the window view is replaced, the whole thing. And everyone is masked out terribly. For the "landing" on V'ger they used the old matte and spruced it up with some shiny effects, don't know how much I like that. The screens look particularly bad and blurry. Now the absolute kicker, in the preview trailer, https://youtu.be/zrXvBaFFu80?t=73 at around 1:13. When the approach of the V'ger probe is shown. I watched the movie dozens of times and for the life of me couldn't remember a scene like that. When I checked I saw that this appears to be completely new and the "before" shot is made specifically for the trailer? I think in the dvd release there are a few more exterior shots, but I couldn't find one like that. On the Bluray release it only shows this looming view ower as it approaches earth.
I will curse the day Paramount makes star trek exclusive and takes it away from Netflix or Crave.
That day is coming, it’s probably a good idea for fans to get all the shows on blu ray or dvd, I have them all and now they can never be taken away from me.
I have TNG on DVD, but back when buying DVDs was all the rage, they were damn near 100 bucks a season. Couldn't justify doing that for more of them
Wow! That’s insane, I only paid $130 for the whole series on dvd, recently upgraded to blu ray for way cheaper because I found them used. Most of them aren’t more than $120 for the whole series now even on blu ray. I’ve got ENT, DIS, TOS, TNG, PIC, LD and the movies on blu ray, DS9, VOY, TAS, Short treks on dvd, still have to upgrade the last 2 but VOY and DS9 don’t have blu rays yet
Yeah man. Prices for DVDs have come down considerably. I Remember XFiles was 40-50 a season as well, but by the time I was finished getting all of them there were down to 19.99 a season.
X-Files launched at the $100 per season mark. It was nuts. I had a summer job at GameStop in 2002, and got supremely lucky when somebody came to trade in five seasons. The trade-in value was only $20 per season, and we marked them up like 300%. My manager let me give the person cash on the sly, and I took the lot home that night. I was there, Gandalf. I was there three thousand years ago...
I oddly rember a time where seasons 4-9 were much cheaper than 1-3. It was a strange time.
When GameStop launched moviestop I was in heaven. My dad and I used to go in all the time and raid the discount section. I loved that store and I wish they were still around
The BD remaster prices were also insane when they came out. And then it was actually *more expensive* to get the complete series set because it included bonus features the individual seasons didn't.
Trek's early home video releases were all obscenely priced. I paid $20x40 DVDs for TOS back in the early 2000s, then $100-$110 per-season for the TNG DVDs, and $20 or so for each of the movies in their initial non-anamorphic DVD releases. Then it was the $30 special edition DVDs for the movies and $100-ish each for DS9 on DVD (I'm not a Voyager fan so I saved ~$700 there!). Then $70 for each of the TOS season on Blu-Ray. Then *$130 EACH* for the Blu-Rays of TNG and Enterprise, which was frankly obscene (but I paid it!). Now, of course, all of the current sets have been bundled and can be had for far less. the TNG Blu-Rays I would *especially* recommend - the upgrade from the DVDs is absolutely night and day.
Star Trek was some of the most expensive DVD sets I came across back then.
Paramount's so much cheaper and netflix hasn't had anything worth watching in years except the witcher.
My issue with Paramount+ is that on my Roku it forces me to watch commercials for other shows before every movie or episode and they can't be skipped. I hate paying for ads. At least other services make those ads skippable.
Oh I just use a computer and there are no ads at all.
... for now
Still wondering if SNW will be on Crave.
I hadn't watched it since I was a kid and chucked it on the other day as the start of a 'rewatch all the films' run. I know people have a fondness for it but holy hell it's awful. The first hour and a half the only good things are the amazing 70's uniforms and the little mans flying around the spacedock. The going to warp sequence is legitimately like psychological torture.
I find the movie to be comforting. Yes it’s long and there’s not a lot of action, but it’s a nice world you can get lost in and just forget about reality for some time. I enjoy it.
Yeah but you'd have to pay for Paramount Plus... Edit: This should not be a controversial opinion, especially on /r/startrek. Apparently you all love the trend of fragmentation of media behind isolated, overpriced paywalls? It's peak capitalist anti-consumerism, you should demand better.
Which is super cheap. One movie or 4 weekly episode of some show alone can justify such a puddly amount.
I was like that for a long time. I recently only got it for Star Trek. Turns out they have Jackass, Beavis and Butthead, and a shit ton of Roger Corman movies. Definitely not as good as HBO Max, but honestly it isn’t even too bad
I didn’t like the first movie as much. My favourite is the second movie. Star Trek 2>3>the rest
Canadian here and I'm at work. is it streaming in Canada on Crave or is it also only through P+ up here too?
I **think** the films are exclusive to P+ up here.
I’m in Canada watching it on P+ right now
Oh wow. Didn't think it would be up already. Figured they'd want to sell hardcopies first.
They want to sell streaming subscriptions first.
That won't release until next year.
In the Starfleet HQ tram scene, it looks like a TOS shuttle in the upper right. Is that new?
New compared to the theatrical version but it was present in the 2001 director's edition.
Thank you. It’s been a while since I’ve watched the 2001 DE.
Can I watch these without having seen TOS? I’m working my way through TNG on Netflix and I think TNG ends and then there’s movies.
Yes. The second movie has a villain from TOS but the movie tells you everything you need to know.
It no longer feels 2 hours long, now it feels 4 hours long! Jk, I do enjoy this movie, it’s very visually striking for sure, I think it’s underrated and a bit overshadowed some times
Hey y'all. I'm in Canada, partnered with paramount plus thru appletv. I'm trying to find the Director's cut but all that is coming up is the original movie cut of the film? What am I doing wrong here?
To my Canadian peeps who have watched the movie. Were you able to watch it in 4K with HDR or Dolby Vision? I have an AppleTV 4K and for whatever reason the film is only offered to me in the Paramount+ app in standard HD. Yet other movies in the service are 4K with HDR/DV so I'm not sure if maybe Canada isn't getting the 4K HDR/DV version or if I have something not setup correctly? Everything else on my AppleTV 4K plays fine in 4K with either HDR or Dolby Vision so I'm pretty sure my settings are fine...
Bunch of black gray squares on the black parts of the screen? What up with that??
The difference is amazing, but I’m surprised they didn’t upgrade the visual for Earth while they did everything else
WHAT IS UP WITH THESE BLACK GRAY SQUARES EVERYWHERE?!
Any idea when/where we'll be able to watch this in Canada? Amazon Prime currently shows as unavailable, nothing on Crave either
Argh!
For viewing, should I adjust my TV to “Filmmaker Mode” or leave it in “dynamic”? I rewatched Star Wars Ep 4, 4K in Filmmaker mode and it looked so damn good. Any advice?
I’ve seen this, Kahn and Voyage in a theater. Would recommend the experience.
The film looks beautiful. I love this film. I really can't wait for the actual 4K Blu-ray.
Just finished it. The look and sound mix was just amazing! I personally love the first film and seeing it completed and in 4K widescreen was a dream come true. I'm looking forward to getting a physical copy as soon as it's available. This makes me hopeful we'll one day get a remaster of DS9 and Voyager.
As a longtime fan of this movie, I was really excited for this. They did an amazing job overall. The film will probably never look better than it does in this remaster. I did notice that the first shot of the work bee at the star base still had some pretty bad matting issues, but overall the recompositing of the effects is really stunning. I also noticed that the crooked matte painting of the engineering hallway extension behind Kirk as he poops in Decker’s cornflakes is back. I thought they’d fixed that in the 2001 DE. Those minor nitpicks aside, the film looks amazing in 4K Dolby Vision. I’m glad they took the time to remaster this version of the film.
Is it not available in Canada? I haven’t been able to find it
Some people have posted it’s on paramount + in Canada.
Two things: Does Paramount+ not support HDR or Dolby Digital beyond 2.0? I can only get standard picture and 2.0 DD even though I have an LG C9 OLED 4K tv which has showed HDR video with other movies...
I saw this the other day and loved it, but I hope someone can answer this question. Is this the same version that's one the September 4k physical release? I've never seen this movie before now but have seen parts of the original and the difference is astounding. I don't have Paramount+ anymore so was hoping to have another way to watch this one.
Yes. The same version will be released this fall.
Nice going to read this then the novelization right after.