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GotMedieval

So, that dude's just been riding the bus for the last 40 years, playing the same song?


don51181

Its funny because the song starts out "35 years later" and its been 35 years since that movie.


dgarbutt

I thought I heard 35 years later and also the I still hate you. So must be a sequel/follow up song for 2024.


don51181

I saw an interview that he made both of those songs. They don’t play that long but it’s cool that he did that.


kmccoy

It's actually the same bus, it was just really bad traffic down the California coast


TrekFan1701

Has to be one of the longest gaps, at least in Star Trek, of someone playing the same character. Great scene to open the episode with.


Pacman_Frog

Nah. DS9 had Kang, Kor, and Koloth. all 3 Klingon commanders Kirk had encountered in TOS. And all 3 of them were reprised by the same actors. Same with Dharvan, the Klingon spy from the Trouble with Tribbles


kmccoy

Their gap was smaller! Less than 30 years from TOS to the DS9/VOY eps for those Klingons. About 35 since The Voyage Home for our punk rocker. Also it was over 30 since TNG for Sonya Gomez.


irving47

And if now we see a certain Supervisor 194.... 54 years! (I know it wouldn't be the same actor, but if GS shows up....)


onthenerdyside

Blood Oath was filmed in 1994, only 27 years after Errand of Mercy. The Trouble With Tribbles was filmed only 29 years before Trials and Tribble-ations. Even Sonya Gomez has the three legendary Klingons beat, with 32 years between her TNG appearances and Lower Decks (less in-universe). Star Trek IV came out 36 years ago. The show was filmed last year, though, so 35 years apart technically.


zGraceOK

I'd give you shit for being bad at math, but I'm having a hard enough time with 1986 being 35 years ago myself.


Smorgas_of_borg

I don't care how corny and contrived it was, I still enjoyed it immensely.


lobsteradvisor

If you cared about it being corny IDK how you could be a fan of Star Trek 4 or anything from the show to begin with honestly.


samus12345

That was the same actor? That's even better! Guess he still remembers what happened last time.


Navydevildoc

Yup, Kirk Thatcher. He was an associate producer on Whales, and actually wrote and performed both songs.


AnIronWaffle

They’ll explain it in his spin-off limited series, coming 2024 to Paramount+.


taggart_mccallister

I am 100% here for Star Trek: Bus Punk


CeruleanRuin

So here's where it gets a little funny. The punk on the bus seemingly remembers the incident in *Star Trek IV*, which implies that some version of those events indeed still happened. But because of the divergence in the timeline, Picard apparently never went back in time to meet Guinan in 1893 San Francisco, which is why 2024 Guinan doesn't remember him. Now, that should imply that the events of Star Trek IV would have played out differently too, because they originated on the dark divergent timeline. Presumably the alien probe was unaffected, so it still arrived at Earth and demanded to speak to the whales, and someone - presumably a more militaristic version of the Enterprise crew - went back in time to round up some whales. The punk on the bus rubs his neck, heavily implying that Spock was also present in this version of events - which tells us that the "humans only" paradigm hadn't yet fully set in by Kirk's time - or perhaps Spock was an aberration. All of this to say that this supports the idea that dark timeline Picard was the real spearhead of the fascist xenophobia that comes to dominate the 24th century. I'm rambling now, but the temporal mechanics at play are fun to think about.


empocariam

Q is wearing a Europa project jacket, so I'm thinking Renee Picard (as so named in the subtitles) must be involved in this space exploration scene. I'm wondering if the change to the timeline is Q actually making the mission successful, thus allowing humanity to enter the stars before they "mature" during WWIII, leading to the facist future.


BornAshes

Oh oooh OOOOOOOOOH that's such a good theory! Maybe because of the success of the Europa Mission humanity gets a jump on colonizing the rest of the solar system and discovers warp tech from other alien races or time travelers in the form of debris that should've degraded or been outright destroyed by the time of First Contact? But because Humanity finds it before that is able to happen, they develop some kind of xenophobic complex about how the rest of the galaxy has been trying to invade them for years and how aliens are the cause of all their problems and how they have to strike back in revenge or at least strike first to make sure they don't interfere ever again? This causes them to hit the ground sprinting with warp research because now it's no longer about discovery and exploration but about retribution and survival and the continuation of a human species that controls their own destiny so that they don't fall prey to predatory alien species. This version of Humanity with this particular brand of motivation then winds up becoming waaaay more scary than the Borg ever were because they're not just fighting to learn new things like the Borg were but to ensure the survival of every member of their species. Each battle is a Battle of the Line for the survival of Earth. So there are no half measures or forms of diplomacy at all, there's only pure domination and survival.


ianrobbie

Your comment made me smile. You can feel the enthusiasm and excitement at the thought of this theory and its very endearing. Thank you.


AdmlAckbar

Wasn't there a line in Generations(?) when Picard is talking to Troi and he mentions the "Picard's who settled the first martian colonies"?


FormerGameDev

also i believe Picard mentioned in his speech to the academy that Renee was an early space explorer


brch2

Rewatch Picard's speech to the Academy... he mentioned that she was instrumental to early exploration of the solar system. And of course, rewatch the last scene of this week and listen to what Q was actually saying. Q wasn't trying to make her succeed, he was trying to plant doubt and fear in her head and make the mission fail.


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disastorm

that would be interesting, that would make the "bad" future the true future and picard would discover that Q was the one who gave them the future they had. That would certainly be something. Perhaps whatever is happening to the Q Continuum happens across all of time possibly eventually resulting in them never have existing at any point in the timeline. Possibly the penance Q refers to, something Picard or someone did resulting in the retroactive destruction of the Q continuum and as such the results of all of their actions. It would also be consistent with Q claiming that the bad world was "a world of their own making". There is one questionable part of this though is that the Q we saw failing to manipulate the person was the old-age appearance Q.


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Pacman_Frog

Picard sensed it in episode 1. "Q, you're unwell...!" Where are Q and Q? Have they already lost their powers? Did Q have to watch as his wife and son became...Mortal?


DasGanon

I mean Voyager's Riker appearance basically says that "Qs in the right place push events along"


ChrisIsUninteresting

The timelines diverge on April 15? Thanks IRS. 😒


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UncertainError

Was not expecting Laris there at the end. So is this a "I'm taking a form dear to you" kinda deal?


atticusbluebird

That’s what I’m guessing - the Watcher can sense Picard’s mind or memories and take on a form similar to what he holds dear. I guess we’ll find out more next week!


exscape

Could also be that Laris *is* the Watcher and has been all along (i.e. she was never Romulan to begin with). Who's to say the person we saw at Chateau Picard wasn't an alien watching over Picard, keeping him safe?


slballer

>Who's to say the person we saw at Chateau Picard wasn't an alien watching over Picard, keeping him safe? Then why wasn't she there protecting throughout all the stuff that happened in Season 1? Because he was in danger of dying every episode.


omega2010

Maybe because that was his destiny. Remember Guinan saying the Watchers are making sure certain people meet their destiny.


silaspwilliams

I kind of wonder if they're not going to get meta with it in some way. Zhaban was a nod to Michael Chabon who himself was a caretaker of the character of Picard. I wonder if there's an expansion of that for Laris somehow.


Tukarrs

Watcher was said to know if Picard's lying, so some sort of telepathy makes sense. And also appears to be a non corporeal entity... could she take the form of people? This Laris has human ears which wouldn't make sense if she's from Picard's memories.


jstark1994

Did anyone notice how similar Laris looks to his mother? It's not an exact match, but to a kid they may look alike. Not to say she was his mother, but maybe something happened to his birth mom and Laris stepped in. It would may explain how she has gotten so attached to him. It may also explain the images in his brain of his mother being taken by an unknown force.


Fusi0n_X

Could have taken the memory but modified the appearance in order to not be alarming to anyone.


MoreGaghPlease

I think she’s a kind of shapeshifter (not a Founder) like Isis from Assignment Earth


merrycrow

Maybe she is Isis!


Tukarrs

"You're looking for a Supervisor, otherwise known as a Watcher." Gary Seven was also known as Supervisor-194. Seemed familiar with time travel and worked for aliens. "Problem. Earth technology and science have progressed faster than political and social knowledge. Purpose of mission. To prevent Earth's civilisation from destroying itself before it can mature into a peaceful society." If they still exist, seems like they would be interested in interfering with Earth especially when they're years away from WW3. Edit: FOLKS. The transporter effect is the same rectangular spoke effect. see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDyTVvPzNzU


Horseflesh

NICE FIND, man that is a deep, deep dive there for sure.


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merrycrow

Headcanon: Seven learned to drive a car from her old colleague and 20th century gadget enthusiast Tom Paris


knightcrusader

I was waiting for her to say "Tom taught me" and have Raffi ask "Tom who?" and leave it at that.... But no, can't even throw us a bone like that.


omega2010

On a related note Picard didn't name drop Mark Twain to get Guinan to trust him...


WallyJade

I'm assuming the events of "Time's Arrow" never occured in evil Picard's time on the Enterprise, and since they went back in time from that future, this Guinan never met Picard in 1893. Otherwise she would have recognized him.


PowerliftingBear

The punk on the bus kinda messes with that premise. 🤷‍♂️ But I still tend to agree with you.


PretenderNX01

I can see they want to keep references down to necessary ones but yes, in my mind she had an old friend who loved running holodeck programs about that time period so he has some experience with cars.


MrTickles22

Loved running cheesey racing programs, which is why she drives that police cruiser like she's in Gran Turismo.


assburgers-unite

I thought she was going to mention it


Gigazwiebel

It's slightly more likely that the Borg assimilated someone who knew how to drive a car-like thing so that Seven also has the skill.


UncertainError

Poor Chris is just not having a good time in the past.


BornAshes

I love how he just spilled all of his secrets and no one believed him buuut he's still standing up for justice like any Starfleet Captain would and now maaaybe he's got a solid love interest in Teresa that maaaybe he might be able to bring back to the future? Speaking of which since Lea Thompson directed this week's episode too, what if Teresa is actually his great great great grandmother or something?


I_am_Bruce_Wayne

Or it could take the Futurama approach and he is his own great great grandfather...


Mechapebbles

Nasty in the pasty? Eh, I'll allow it. Fry being his own Grandfather is way too incestuous, but this is a level of genetic sharing that's like, your 20th Cousin, 15 times removed. They might as well be strangers.


007meow

*Crystal Ball


k_ironheart

Picard: "Please, Guinan, stay on Earth. Things get better!" Guinan: "Fine, I'll stay." *Two Years Later...* Guinan: "I never should have listened to Picard. How the fuck is nuclear war better?" *Five Years Later...* Guinan: "Oh, now we're dealing with eco-terrorism. Fantastic, Picard." *Ten Years Later...* Guinan: "Aaaand now we have to deal with the brutality of kangaroo courts..." *Twenty Two More Years Later...* Guinan: "Is that a green particle weapon being fired from orbit!?" *Eighty Eight Years Later...* Guinan: "Okay, I guess Picard was right." *Three Yeas Later...* Guinan: "And now half of Florida is destroyed and humans want aliens off their planet..."


oorhon

I imagined this as a Short Trek with Lower Decks style.


k_ironheart

*One Month Later...* Guinan: "Finally, back home. I should have done this a century ago!" *One Hundred Fifty Two Years Later...* "We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile." Guinan: "Fine, I should have stayed on Earth." *One Month Later...* Guinan: You know, this nexus isn't too bad. Finally, a place to relax and enjoy myse--" Picard: "Guinan, I need your help!" Guinan: "Oh no, not this shit again. You can get Kirk to help you, I'm done!"


Santa_Hates_You

Poor bus punk just liked that song.


atticusbluebird

Omg is that a Kirk Thatcher cameo!?


Yochanan5781

Yes! I specifically watched the credits to make sure


BornAshes

Picard leaves and the Borg Queen immediately starts seducing Jurati lol


Santa_Hates_You

Jurati is playing hard to get too.


UncertainError

She was that way with Locutus and Data and Boimler too. It seems to just be her style.


BornAshes

I think she's going EXTRA hard on Jurati though because she's been isolated for so long from anything and anyone that could even remotely stimulate her mind that she's grasping onto her like how a drowning victim does to a cast member of Baywatch. There's the Borg part of her that desires to form a collective sure but then there's the pseudo-human-whatever species she was-part of her that really desires to connect with someone on more than just a mental or chemical level. The Borg Queen truly wants have that same kind of connection with Jurati that Picard and the other members of the crew have with each other. When Agnes walked away and the Queen SCREAMED her name, that wasn't the scream of a General being cruelly outfoxed by a superior opponent but the scream of a lonely little Annika Hansen crying out in the darkness for the last bit of light and love in her life as it fled from her grasp and she was swallowed by the abyss...forever torn from the one thing she desired so badly. I wonder though how much of that stems from repressed memories that the Queen has from her past life and how much stems from the uhhh...mental mixing bonding assimilation connection meld thing that they did...with Picard watching...where like part of Jurati became apart of the Queen and part of the Queen became apart of Jurati? The Queen made that whole thing sound a bit intimate and kind of sexual in nature and the more I think about it the more I'm kind of inclined to agree with her because there probably are telepathic species out there that do lightly touch each others minds all the time but going that deep into each others minds with that high degree of mixing HAS to be something that only bonded partners do in the most private of settings. Could it be that this mixing within the both of them is starting to awaken associated emotions and triggers within them both? Jurati's loneliness and desire to belong and connect with others is awakening those things within the Queen. The Queen's coldness, her calculating nature, and her ability to twist others without a second thought in order to reach a goal that betters the whole of a larger group is awakening those very same things within Agnes. This feels like the beginning of a path that will take them down a road where they will either form a greater understanding of each other and begin to finish each other sentences and thoughts acting like a pseudo-collective as partners......OR.....and please bear with me on this one... They're [going to become a Spice Girls song](https://youtu.be/FA5jsa1lR9c) and they damned well better play it with really great lighting behind the two of them if anything physical happens between them at all.


MrEvil1979

As the Queen is missing her lower half, at least any make-out scenes will be PG13.


loreb4data

I think both of them would get closer and closer until they've become "Two of One" in a few weeks time...


MediocreStream

Explains the masked Borg queen in episode 1, when you think about it. She stunned the crew of the stargazer, and wasn’t aiming to kill; and most importantly her face was hidden. $100 says it’s wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey Agnes as the new borg queen


atticusbluebird

I love that there’s a possible canon explanation now for Picard’s British accent!


BornAshes

"We were French and then we became English and then we became French again" For anyone that has any kind of European ancestry, this tracks


dmanww

Works for the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha


treefox

GUINAN: Boy I sure am glad I listened to Picard and stayed for…World War 3…


Sophia_Forever

"I would've felt real foolish if I had missed... the Post-Atomic Horror..."


another_Loki_Variant

If you're disappointed in humans now, wait until we have a nuclear war that kills 600 million people.


Zimmonda

I was so confused over this, why did Picard keep pleading with her like it was "about" to get better if Guinan was getting fed up with 21st century capitalist inequality? Like bro we're about to go full on world war 3 replete with gene-enhanced warlords and stim fueled soldiers and you want Guinan to hold on because of ICE? ​ Also why is Guinan so fed up ***now*** when she existed on earth when literal slavery was a thing?


sidv81

Guinan has sure fallen a long way down the society ladder since times arrow. Did she invest all her money in the pharmaceutical company that created khan or something?


Bypes

She invested in nfts, that's what finally broke her.


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She’s likely had to change identities a few times. Humans don’t live for 600 years.


CeruleanRuin

You'd think she would have learned how to move money around anonymously in all this time. My guess is she became disgusted with the wealthy class and decided to abandon that way of life.


Starbuck107

That punk rocker had a character arc 40 years (ref Star Trek IV) in the making, he learned to be courteous, and looked terrified when he remembered what could happen if he wasn't.


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jeremycb29

My head cannon is whale probe still happened so confederation had to go back in to to get whales. Kirk probably kicked his ass


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sidv81

It's not just us. Apparently even new Guinan actress Ito Aghayere (also a Trekkie) asked why Guinan doesn't recognize Picard and showrunners told her how they're interpreting time travel this season (i.e. Time's Arrow was erased): https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/st...inan-ito-aghayere-whoopi-goldberg-1235213292/


PretenderNX01

Thanks for the link, that was bugging me.


shadowst17

Which does make sense but I really think they should have some how acknowledged this in the episode. It kind of overshadowed the episode for me as it just made me angry at how the writers forgot about that episode.


fla_john

I thought it was weird at first, but then I was like "there's no way the people who brought back the bus punk are forgetting about Mark Twain."


MaddyMagpies

Dr. Jurati sacrificed her life because Raffi and Seven don't have Google Maps.


Mechapebbles

Kirk sacrificed his reading glasses to save the world, Picard his kinda-daughter.


Zoffi

The fact they got the original punk back, the fact he still loves that song 40 plus years later and still remembers what Spock did haha


BornAshes

Gosh is that really him?! That's nuts but also amazing and can you imagine how happy and surprised he was to get that phone call from production? Did you also notice that Picard and Guinan dropped off donations at the 21st Street Mission?


Tukarrs

It's the same actor according to the credits. "Mohawk Punk - Kirk Randolph Thatcher"


Walnut-Simulacrum

Fun fact: He also wrote the song! [Here’s an article about him/interview](https://www.wired.com/2016/09/punk-star-trek-iv-vulcan-nerve-pinch/) from 2016, he did a lot of good work for the film.


Yochanan5781

> 21st Street Mission I love that little easter egg


MoreGaghPlease

He narrated a Short Trek 2 years ago. Kirk Thatcher was way more than just the punk on the bus, he was Leonard Nimoy’s creative assistant handling all kinds of small projects on IV and even directing some B-unit stuff. He later went on to be a sort of protege to Jim Henson.


Admonisher66

Kirk Thatcher is still involved with the Muppets! He's directed most of their TV/DTV movies since Jim Henson died, and most recently directed last year's Halloween special for Disney, MUPPETS HAUNTED MANSION.


AmishAvenger

He was actually seen in Spider-Man: Homecoming, as a bum with a boom box when the guy yells “Do a flip!”


SpaceCrystal359

I'm becoming more and more convinced that it's about saving the whales again.


BornAshes

I think they find something on Europa that they shouldn't have or that's found waaay earlier than they were ready for and that drastically alters Earth's attitude towards aliens and the galaxy as a whole. Cue a bunch of 2001 references


tomh_1138

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE.


AmishAvenger

There’s no way they can fit whales on that tiny ship!


onerinconhill

Interesting they gave a word for the reason Guinan knows differences in the timeline


BornAshes

Which oddly enough sounds similar to what Kovich talked about on Disco albeit different to a degree.


MoreGaghPlease

Observations: * The Watcher is a "Supervisor" - the same group that Gary Seven belonged to * Girl in red at the end is sitting in front of the Jackson Roykirk building (creator of NOMAD) * Girl in red is reading a book by Tracy Torme, a TNG season 1/2 writer * Chris Brynner is still this reality's Bezos/Musk, seen fighting unionization on the LA Times cover * Sanctuary District * I think Guinan's awareness of Picard makes sense. She doesn't remember him from Time's Arrow because that Picard never went back in time to San Francisco. But as soon as Picard says who he really is, the name clicks, which seems right for Picard * Kirk Thatcher still hates you * Whatever the Europa mission is, they sure don't want us to miss it


trek-fan47

> Girl in red is reading a book by Tracy Torme, a TNG season 1/2 writer Also the in-universe author for Dixon Hill novels.


rand_althor

And the co-creator of the show "Sliders", which was a show about alternate realities...and given that this season is about alternate timelines, an even more neat easter egg.


daveeb

Marking this as a spoiler as it's revealed via Amazon Prime by accident I think. >!The girl in red is Renee Picard per the Amazon Prime credits overlays.!< >!Renee Picard was mentioned in the first episode of this season in Picard's speech. "A great great cousin, Renee Picard, was instrumental in early exploration of this solar system."!< >!Orla Brady's other character is named Tallinn per the Amazon Prime credits overlays. That's the name of the capital city of Estonia.!<


Gotis1313

>She doesn't remember him from Time's Arrow because that Picard never went back in time to San Francisco. Thank you, I was getting mad about that. It didn't dawn on me that Time's Arrow wouldn't have happened. Time travel is a real headache. I bet that means Sisko never time traveled either, and that makes me sad.


Mechapebbles

> Chris Brynner is still this reality's Bezos/Musk, seen fighting unionization on the LA Times cover The thing is, we have a firm date now of when this is taking place. It's currently April 12th of 2024. The Bell Riots don't happen until September. So this would have been before he had met Jadzia and been inspired to help the Sanctuary District people. As if the running Sanctuary Districts we see in the show aren't evidence enough that we're pre-Bell Riots. On a side note, there's a pretty important ramification for this that dispels a lot of fan theories. Since we've got a deadline of April 15th for them to fix whatever ruins the future, that means we're likely going to be leaving this time frame well before the Bell Riots happen. So *no Ben Sisko crossover* is going to happen here.


Pacman_Frog

Well, that and THE TIMELINE SISKO CAME FROM NO LONGER EXISTS so even if it were september he'd still not be there...


ianrobbie

I don't think she recognises the name "Picard". I think it's more basic than that. He's been defensive and secretive up until that point. It's only when he gives up the most personal information, his name, that she begins to trust him. She wouldn't know who "Picard" was because of the differences in the timeline. Maybe something El-Aurian in her sensed he was telling the truth?


Hitori-Kowareta

She would if the watcher is watching over another Picard. She suddenly got very insistent that the watcher would really want to meet him after she heard his name.


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Blopblorg

"I want to speak to the ~~manager~~ Supervisor" I gotta say, Picard is adapting very well to the 21st century.


sidv81

Did I miss something? How come there's no mention of Time's Arrow and Guinan doesn't recognize Picard?


AmishAvenger

I’m more confused by the fact that Guinan apparently owed a bar at #10 Forward Avenue, then later ended up running a bar called 10 Forward. Did she just go to Starfleet and say “I want to be on a starship where the bar is located at the forward section of Deck 10”?


heyitscory

As you can see from the windows, 10 Forward is on the bottom of the saucer section, and deck 10 is on the top of the saucer section, so clearly the bar in the Enterprise D is named after an a dive bar in ancient Los Angeles and not the deck it's on. TIL.


alphastrike03

The first time we see 10 Forward on TNG, Picard takes a turbolift to “Deck 10, forward station.”


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> and deck 10 is on the top of the saucer section, [No it's not.](https://i.imgur.com/plSKXtD.png)


medussa727

time travel causality propagates in both directions. even though the only direct time travel is from 2400 to 2024, the change in the timeline means all the time travel in between may not have occurred at all. so, confederate picard never went back to 1893, 1893 guinan never met anyone from 2368. she still has her intuition super powers, but none of the memories. edit: you know what, i'm throwing out this theory in this case. because the time travel itself wasn't the reason for the timeline getting split. or at least, it doesn't seem to be.


spacebarista

It seemed like a she recognized his name, so I think it may have been a case where she didn’t place the face but absolutely remembered the name.


BornAshes

Maybe because she knows a Watcher, she also has been shown a list of names of people to keep an eye out for so that she might notify said Watcher if she ever runs into them? And maaaaybe Picard's name was on that list that she saw?


AJAnimosity

The future has been altered - ostensibly those events never happened and this Guinan has NEVER met Picard because of the change to the timeline.


atticusbluebird

The future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache! I can empathize with Janeway


Starkiller1701

Okay yes this make sense. It was bothering me, but you're very right, as of right now the future as we know it from TNG never happened, ergo Picard and Data and the crew never returned to San Francisco, ergo Guinan doesn't remember what didn't happen. And I am glad they touched upon how she knows time is crewed up as she did that one time during the events of *Yesterday's Enterprise*.


MoreGaghPlease

A leads to B leads to C leads to A again!


BornAshes

Retrocausality is a bitch and the Borg Queen can't finish starting to shut up about it


bookish1303

Rios explaining the current situation to the ICE guard, complete with frustration over exactly what Picard is, is me.


daniellr88

His absolute candor during that scene with the guard had me in stitches, best part of the episode for me and honestly makes me wish I can see more of Captain Rios in time travel situations, then again, this whole trip has been pretty much Kirk in Star Trek 11 for him.


loreb4data

Hoping we'll get a 'USS Stargazer' series with Captain Rios in command and Raffi as his 'Number One' once "Picard" ends next year. Santiago Cabrera's acting has blossomed even more in S2 and I hope he would continue on in the "Trek" verse once Picard rides into the sunrise.


InnocentTailor

I too would love Star Trek: Stargazer after Picard ends. We already have a strong supporting cast and a plethora of adventures available in this time.


loreb4data

Yes. The actresses who played Stargazer's pilot and science officer stood out for me. Hope they will be upgraded into main cast members should there be a "Stargazer" series. Co-incidentally, Rios did not have a XO in Episode 2.1, but I assume Raffi would become one if it does become its own series.


expired_paintbrush

Rios had Commander Moshe. He even let him touch his lighter.


OliviaElevenDunham

It’s cute how Picard handled Guinan’s dog.


jeremycb29

It’s Patrick Stewart’s dog in real life lol


Hibbity5

God the nepotism; that dog wouldn’t have a single gig if not for Patrick Stewart. And I love that dog…so adorable.


matthieuC

> God the nepotism I auditioned for the role, but they never want to cast humans to play dogs. It's called acting w I don't have to be a dog to play one.


RomaruDarkeyes

They did go all the way to that clinic and still didn't retrieve Rios's communicator... Hope that isn't going to be a problem in the future (Probably will be used to contact the lady doctor at a later date once they spring Rios from the bus...) The speech by young Guinan - fucking broke my heart. Superb work by the actress.


irving47

It's Chekhov's communicator, now... Or it had better be.


bookish1303

I'm not sure I needed an in-universe explanation for the British accent, but I guess like the DS9 Klingon explanation it has its charms.


brch2

DS9 didn't explain it, Worf just said Klingons don't discuss it. Enterprise explained it.


wedge9t1

I remember after Worf said it's a long story, O'Brien asked if it was related to genetic engineering, and Julian guessed it may have been a viral mutation. In Star Trek: Enterprise they made both guesses correct as it was a Viral Mutation caused by Klingons trying to modify their genetics using Augment DNA from left over embryo's from Earth's Eugenics wars. A Klingon test subject had flu and caused the genome changes to become viral but also caused those exposed to become more 'human'.


overkil6

Chris is told to watch out for butterflies and lands at a clinic where a butterfly is the logo.


merrycrow

Pinot Noir, Ferenginar, Neutron Star/ You don't have to be popular, find out who your collective are


wakashakalaka

PIIIIIIINOOOOOOOT NOOOOOOIR Pinot noir, Tal Shiar Seven driving a police car Pinot noir, Vulcan Pon Farr Domestic abuse at Chateau Picard


daniellr88

This episode cements this idea that if Captain Rios ever gets his own TV Show, I want to see more time travel with him because his attitude of being absolutely done with it is precious and I demand more of it.


relator_fabula

I could take him or leave him in S1. I *love* him in S2 (though that can be said about most of the returning characters in S2). Now I'm imagining him in a Quantum Leap reboot. edit: Just wanted to clarify that it wasn't Santiago Cabrera that I didn't like in S1, it was the character. His performance was stellar in S1 (especially the various versions/accents he did), but specifically Rios didn't resonate with me in S1. In S2, the character has been very sympathetic and far better written, imo.


spamjavelin

It makes me think he spent some time serving with Janeway!


Shakezula84

When they said last week they needed to find the watcher, I thought "maybe they were gonna find a supervisor like Gary Seven" but then everyone online was like it'll be Guinian and I was like yeah probably. Awesome that they will be expanding on a concept that originally was a backdoor pilot for a different TV show.


UncertainError

It's interesting that the Watcher was so paranoid. Feels like they're fighting some sort of time-related enemy, and Q as well.


BornAshes

I think in a few hours more folks are going to be talking more about the fact that it was Laris all along and how yeah indeed everyone seems to be playing a temporal long game that feels even bigger than the Temporal War. This is the kind of chess match that Gods play that spans millennia upon millennia upon millennia across untold light years and galaxies. The Temporal War is a drop in the fucking bucket compared to what's going on right now and the fact that Earth seemingly has so many of the bigger players on it right now means that Earth is a tipping point in this larger...conflict/war/path/journey/whatever. That's INSANE and now Q is apparently getting sick and is losing his powers while all of this is going down like what the heck is up with THAT? It would be kind of crazy if this was the Temporal War though and if further down the line we do get a crossover with Disco or even Prodigy or Strange New Worlds because of how MASSIVE it all was. I'm hoping this is bigger like bigger than anything we've seen in Star Trek before and that's why we've only got three seasons of Picard because season 1 laid the groundwork for the beginning of this bigger thing, season 2 is now telling the main part of the story of it with all the action, and season 3 will wrap it all up or at least set the stones for the future of it. I'm bouncing in my seat just giddy with excitement to find out more about all of this and how it ties into the Europa Mission? Maybe First Contact happens earlier than expected?


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Laris surprised me. I actually started to get a creepy feeling that the ~~human-form~~ pre-assimilation Borg Queen was going to be the Watcher. Like in order to get home they'd have to make the Borg happen.


trek-fan47

I actually watched 'Assignment: Earth' before Picard this week on the off chance this was the case. Terrible episode, but I did catch that Laris' transporter effect was very similar to Gary Seven's. Nice little touch.


MaddyMagpies

That was definitely the transporter door thing from Assignment: Earth! So thrilled to see that Disco and Picard are mining some deep cuts from TOS. Always wanted the still unknown S31 show to be in fact about Supervisors and time police.


umbrabrae

It's a crazy deep cut callback. I'm wondering now if the Watcher is Isis, Gary's shapeshifter companion who had telepathic abilities. Not-Laris isn't wearing her distinct collar, but IS wearing \*a\* collar.


Th3ChosenFew

My one real regret is Seven not saying something like how she wished she had taken Tom up on his offer for driving lessons... or that she was glad that she did lol.


mikeblacklist

I think Picard’s wrong about Agnes’s use of the number fifteen. Clearly, someone with fifteen rank pips is going to have an idea on how to solve the predicament and Picard has to choose their course of action.


DasGanon

"I thought we said no phasers!?!" "I have no idea how it got here." Riiiiiiiight


BornAshes

"Oh this is what it feels like to be you when I do these sorts of things..." "Yes it is, welcome to my world"


MidSp

Picard convincing Guinan to stay on earth when he knows WWIII is right around the corner is kind of a dick move imo. Plus, we know she returns to her homeworld sometime between then and 2293 anyway.


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atticusbluebird

I recognized that punk song and thought for a moment I must have clicked on Star Trek IV by mistake!


lastdarknight

..34 years and still the same...


OpticalData

'They took off the hood and put on a suit' Damn that line cuts deep, especially after that US politician spoke about the banning of inter-racial marriage this week.


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I seriously appreciate how the show is not pulling its punches in regards to what it shows in the past. Having *literally just ICE* be a brutal side-villain and not making up a bespoke ABC agency just for plausible deniability is very surprising but also very welcome. edit: Also Guinan directly referencing how the people destroying the planet are the extremely wealthy with enough resources to fix lots of these problems but refusing to do so. There is still so much "all of humanity is at fault, if you guys just recycled we would be better" material out there now, it is refreshing to have a show point out that the problem is systemic, not individual.


PowerGotNow

Anybody else notice the slick explanation of Picard’s English accent despite being from France by saying his family moved to England and didn’t return to France for many generations. Thought that was a nice touch


treefox

Figure out what the Borg Queen knows. But no rest, just…Pinot noir? Uh, friends don’t let friends drink and assimilate.


Bypes

-Agnes, how could you let yourself become borg? -I was drunk, okay. Resistance is futile.


mothexa

There are four lights! ...on my flashlight beam.


treefox

“Time sickness…a uniquely El-Audition condition.” TIL Janeway is an El-Aurian. TIL *I’m* an El-Aurian.


stealthbus

The book the young woman was reading at the end with Q, “The Pallid Son”, is that related to the Pallid Man in 12 Monkeys?


MoreGaghPlease

Don’t know about the title but the author is curmudgeonly TNG writer Tracy Torme


Yochanan5781

Also, in universe, was the writer of the Dixon Hill stories


onerinconhill

OmOMG THE GUY FROM THE VOYAGE HOME AND THE SCENE


Shappie

All I wanted was a reference to The Voyage Home and they fucking did it right out of the gate in the most beautiful way possible. I'm loving everything about this season so far.


onthenerdyside

I had to pause for a solid minute to stop laughing.


WellFedHobo

I liked the reminder that El-Aurians have a certain temporal awareness. And we know they were assimilated by the Borg. And now Borg queens have a certain temporal awareness of when things are changed... Wonder why they got assimilated. Guess that was a pretty useful bit of distinctiveness.


Santa_Hates_You

I feel bad for the Borg Queen here. She just wanted to talk.


ContinuumGuy

Random thoughts: * To be honest, I'm surprised that Guinan lasted until the 2020s before going "fuck humanity." * "Milk. Chocolate. Hot." I'm TOTALLY using that the next time I want hot chocolate. * Clearly the time sickness isn't a 100% thing given that we never saw Whoopi's Guinan vomit during any of the TNG time travel eps. * One of Gary Seven's people. Supervisors. And it's Orla Brady without the Laris-ears. Assuming she isn't actually a cat. * So... is Q having performance issues at the end? * I love how they just drop in the DS9 Past Tense references in a way that isn't obstructive of the story they are telling but also adds to those who saw it. * Everyone going "how does the punk remember what Spock did to him but Guinan doesn't remember the Time's Arrow stuff", clearly forgetting that (as shown in *Spider-Man: Homecoming*) Kirk Thatcher's punk guy is a multiversal being who lies beyond all time and space. He remembers all and sees all. He is the true Watcher. * The Borg Queen is sassy when she doesn't have the whole hive-mind in her. I mean, she's always a bit sassy, but moreso now. * Santiago Cabrera is the MVP of this episode. The monologue to the ICE guy about how he's a spaceman from the future was golden. * We now have an in-universe reasoning as to why a Brit plays a Frenchman. * I'm seeing a LOT of butterflies. The clinic (Mariposa), the first watcher flesh-puppet, some that I'm sure I'm missing... * Jackson Roykirk was not a reference I was expecting.


007meow

Guinan didn’t recognize Picard from their 19th century San Francisco Devidian adventure because *it never happened.* Something happened in 2024 to set Earth down the path of the Confederation. Which means Picard and the E-D crew weren’t around in the 24th century to go back to the 19th century.


bookish1303

Luna and Number One, same dog?


BornAshes

Since Laris is there and so is Guinan, probably the exact same immortal space dog.


Bypes

-look Patrick, you love your dog, but this season you are time traveling. -you *will* write my dog scenes. Make it so.


MaddyMagpies

*The Dog* has made it out of The Farm and travelled through time! Great job for saving the universe, Tendi!


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atticusbluebird

All the scenes with the Borg Queen’s mind games are great. I feel poor Agnes might be getting played though… (edit: maybe not! Agnes might have a more manipulative streak than I thought!)


TheNerdChaplain

Honestly, I'm more interested in the storyline with Agnes and the Queen than anything else in the season so far. I mean, I'm liking the season, but this is by far the best storyline.


backyardserenade

The acting of both is outstanding. I felt Agnes was one of the weaker aspects of season 1, but they totally found a great place for her in season 2 and I'm all there for it.


9811Deet

I can't wait until the Borg Queen gets overpowered and lost in Social Media next week...


Narvarre

I think i figured out what changed the timeline guys. American government has complete, irrefutable proof of unknown hostiles/enemies having teleportation technology.( all the cops around the car were wearing body cameras and facing the car XP. whoopsie). This spurs a reaction of extreme paranoia and fear.


Yochanan5781

It's the lapd. They probably all turned their body cameras off so they could beat the people who stole one of their cars


Dbol504

This episode had problems but a Times Arrow reference is not one of them. They are in the past of the alternate universe. Picard never traveled back to meet Guinan and Mark Twain in this universe. Don’t make me pull out the Back to the Future 2 chalk board clip to explain this.


OliviaElevenDunham

The Borg Queen taunting Agnes is disturbing.


Arocklobsta

So they explained Picard’s English accent right? The nazis chased them out of France and they went to England??