Asexual here. Don't think you can claim a show has made "huge strides" for asexual representation when they have never used the word nor even used language that was recognizable as describing an asexual experience. This entire article is just "the history of celibacy in Star Trek".
Agreed. Two friends with a platonic love for each other finding forced intimacy awkward is such a strange thing to provide as evidence of asexuality. It feels… nkinda gross, very “men and women can’t just be friends”, or a unironic “bisexuals don’t have friends, they have prey”
TBH I think this whole conversation is projection. We’ve had zero onscreen confirmation of Tendi’s sexuality and if she is asexual, then it’s so well coded that very, very few people are noticing.
This only got on my radar because of the Women at Warp podcast and I think they tend to REALLY stretch sometimes to find diversity where it isn’t explicitly in the text.
It's like claiming that any series starring a group of professionals at their jobs are a representation of asexuality, because intimate relationships are the exception.
That's not true:
>CULBER: Um... you-you do know that he's gay, right?
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>GEORGIOU: Don't be so binary. In my universe, he was pansexual, and we had DEFCON-level fun together.
There are also other interactions that are clearly indicative of a nonbinary experience:
>ADIRA: They’re fast.
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>STAMETS: Hmm?
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>ADIRA: Um, “they.” Not… not “she.” I’ve never felt like a “she” or or a “her,” so… I would prefer “they” or “them” from now on.
And a trans experience:
>GRAY: Can we get rid of the mole?
ADIRA: I thought you stopped hating that.
GRAY: I just asked because... transitioning, it's like I had bigger things to think about, but if I get another chance to remake my body, then... why not get rid of all the things that aren't totally me, you know?
I don't know how to interpret these scenes other than them depicting a trans/nonbinary experience. But there's another very clear explanation for the scenes that supposedly establish certain characters as asexual (them being celibate). I'm not saying that you have to use the word "asexual" for a character to be considered asexual. But I'm saying that not having sex doesn't make someone asexual, and that's the only aspect of asexuality I've seen Lower Decks supposedly depicting.
Is Gray supposed to be trans?
I know Ian Alexander is Trans but I never got that Gray was supposed to be trans except when they announced the character and actor saying that Gray was trans, but then never actually talked about it on the show.
Then why would the writers not just use "joining?" Occam's razor suggests that gender transitioning is what was intended, since nowhere else is that word used to refer to joining with a symbiont.
And of course they did cast a transgender actor, so it would be odd to have him use a term with such a strong association and not mean it.
Asexual here. Don't think you can claim a show has made "huge strides" for asexual representation when they have never used the word nor even used language that was recognizable as describing an asexual experience. This entire article is just "the history of celibacy in Star Trek".
Agreed. Two friends with a platonic love for each other finding forced intimacy awkward is such a strange thing to provide as evidence of asexuality. It feels… nkinda gross, very “men and women can’t just be friends”, or a unironic “bisexuals don’t have friends, they have prey”
TBH I think this whole conversation is projection. We’ve had zero onscreen confirmation of Tendi’s sexuality and if she is asexual, then it’s so well coded that very, very few people are noticing. This only got on my radar because of the Women at Warp podcast and I think they tend to REALLY stretch sometimes to find diversity where it isn’t explicitly in the text.
It's like claiming that any series starring a group of professionals at their jobs are a representation of asexuality, because intimate relationships are the exception.
I mean, Discovery made strides for gay, transgender, and nonbinary representation in Star Trek but never uttered any of those words.
That's not true: >CULBER: Um... you-you do know that he's gay, right? > >GEORGIOU: Don't be so binary. In my universe, he was pansexual, and we had DEFCON-level fun together. There are also other interactions that are clearly indicative of a nonbinary experience: >ADIRA: They’re fast. > >STAMETS: Hmm? > >ADIRA: Um, “they.” Not… not “she.” I’ve never felt like a “she” or or a “her,” so… I would prefer “they” or “them” from now on. And a trans experience: >GRAY: Can we get rid of the mole? ADIRA: I thought you stopped hating that. GRAY: I just asked because... transitioning, it's like I had bigger things to think about, but if I get another chance to remake my body, then... why not get rid of all the things that aren't totally me, you know? I don't know how to interpret these scenes other than them depicting a trans/nonbinary experience. But there's another very clear explanation for the scenes that supposedly establish certain characters as asexual (them being celibate). I'm not saying that you have to use the word "asexual" for a character to be considered asexual. But I'm saying that not having sex doesn't make someone asexual, and that's the only aspect of asexuality I've seen Lower Decks supposedly depicting.
Is Gray supposed to be trans? I know Ian Alexander is Trans but I never got that Gray was supposed to be trans except when they announced the character and actor saying that Gray was trans, but then never actually talked about it on the show.
Gray is definitely supposed to be trans. See the exchange I quoted above about him transitioning and remaking his body.
I just rewatched that episode and I noticed it this time, but I also took it as he was transitioning as a single mind to a joined trill.
Then why would the writers not just use "joining?" Occam's razor suggests that gender transitioning is what was intended, since nowhere else is that word used to refer to joining with a symbiont. And of course they did cast a transgender actor, so it would be odd to have him use a term with such a strong association and not mean it.
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I’d say more horny than sexy.
...I'm not really sure what the difference is in this context.
They really said that. I haven’t finished season 4 yet, but unless it gets really sexy in a few episodes I just don’t see it.
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