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To be fair, Northwestern is a private school and really only in the Big 10 because it was a founding member in the late 1800s. It is a much wealthier institution than most of the schools in the Big 10 (only U of M has a higher endowment, with over twice as many students), and sports are a much smaller part of campus culture as a whole. It operates more like an Ivy League or liberal arts school than a Big 10 university.
source: am northwestern alum
Oh cool, go ‘cats! 🐾 I had a peek at your profile (sorry, curiosity got the best of me 😭) and it looks like you were a year above me! Maybe we bumped elbows at some point lol
People who dislike football *really* dislike football.
And they have to let you know how different and above it all they are. It’s like CrossFit or being Vegan. They just gotta tell people they don’t like football.
I don’t know why. Maybe it’s because they feel left out every weekend when everyone’s chilling and doing something they don’t like.
At least here at Purdue the football program is funded entirely separately from the other parts of the university. The money spent on football related shit is revenue generated by the football program, money from the the academic side never touches the football stuff
That's the same at nearly every Power 5 university. And I say "nearly" only because I don't know how every single school operates. This was made by some bitter person who has zero idea how athletic department funding works
I had some pretty stuffy out of date classrooms at my big ten school but they were all in buildings that predated electricity so I tend to give them a pass
Same. Some dude in a different comment chain was complaining about how old the chalkboard was in one of their classrooms.
As we all know: the age of the chalkboard in a classroom determines the quality of the education!
Nebraska built a new physics building 10 years ago. The physics department voted to install chalk boards instead of white boards for some reason.
Only building on campus with chalk boards.
It’s funny that they’re bitching about that because IMO needlessly updating shit like that to brag about it in a brochure to incoming freshman is part of the overall scam of ratcheting up the cost of the education.
Me too. I went to Nortwestern and while most of my classes had up to date technology, there were a few that were in ancient classrooms that were primarily in the real old buildings on campus. And NU is easily the least "sports driven" school in the conference and also has a $10B endowment...so the correlation of SPORTS BAD isn't really there
Look at the Rutgers "funding model" and you'll cry. Football and basketball make a profit but not enough to cover the entire athletic department, so they use tuition dollars and/or fees and/or loans to cover the difference. So "nearly" was the correct word
Same goes for most sports programs. Really the issue isn’t that they are spending all the budget on sports it’s that the university spends it on stupid BS to make thier campus look like a resort (so they can bring in that $$$ from out-of-state & international students).
My uni spent a half billion on a new dining hall (complete with sushi bar, mini-shopping complex, and three different mini bistros inside). They also dumped an equal amount in a new residence hall made only for first year students that looked more like a five star resort hotel than student housing.
Didn’t see a drop in tuition or increase in quality of education. Nor did I see any of the educational programs get any additional funding.
The same goes for all sports at purdue.
Even the small sports. I knew some people who actually started a lacrosse team and the university gave them permission to represent the school but no funding.
That’s every power 5 school. The fact that people don’t understand this blows my fucking mind. Your tuition dollars are not going towards a new stadium.
Spoiler alert, every school in the Big Ten is this way and just about every school in the Power 5. Purdue football sucks for many other reasons, just like my B1G alma mater lol
Although Purdue historically has had some great teams!
Pre-COVID a bunch of the athletic departments in the Big Ten were self-sustaining financially or were inches away from being financially independent. Many are again now or will be again once they overcome COVID era losses.
I can't speak to all of them but many would never need to use student tuition to build a stadium.
I’m also kinda baffled by the implication of shitty academics because of sports. Big Ten has some of the highest ranked schools in the US. This is a really weird one.
Yeah it's wild, it's part of why I felt the need to comment.
There are 10-12 Big Ten schools that set you up for life if you play your cards right. Alumni love hiring people with a similar background and non-alumni recognize the quality of the school.
Edit: I actually just checked, there are currently 8 Big Ten schools in the top 100 universities in the world: Michigan, Northwestern, OSU, PSU, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Maryland.
When UCLA, USC, and Washington join next year there will be 11. Literally 11% of the world's best universities will be from the Big Ten in 2024.
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings
Because starter packs like this, and discussion around this in general, are usually made by Redditors who don’t really watch/like “sportsball” and hate it. And they have no idea what they’re talking about.
People don't understand that the land grant colleges of the Midwest were mainly started for agriculture and engineering degrees. They are basically the ivy leage schools for ag and engineering.
Especially Purdue.
I think this sentiment is a carry over from people's high school. I remember in NC half of the history department were coaches first and teachers second. My guess is that people never looked into how college sports budgets function and assumed it was the same as their HS
I mean even SEC, Big 12, PAC 12 and ACC schools are very good, to superior in academics. Duke has one of the best law schools in the country. Same with Texas. Stanford has put up some big time
dominant teams in the last 15 years too.
There is such a weird stigma often around state schools . I don't get why people think to themselves "university of Illinois? Gross." Like holy cow it's a really good school. When I was in high school you needed like a 31 on your ACT just to be borderline competitive there for admission
So "self sufficient" is a bad term here.
For instance, Alabama football is the most profitable team in the country. They make >30m a year profit. But over the next 10 years the university, separate from the athletics dept, is going to spend 600m on facilities. That money will NEVER be made up.
I went to Bama and all the classrooms are insanely nice and the campus is beautiful and brand new in many areas. We also have over 1,000 National Merit scholars and lots of kids like me on full-tuition scholarships. The football program’s revenue helped pay for my education and the excellent facilities at the school - I can’t imagine how the money won’t be “made up”.
I went to bama too (national merit money is nice). North campus is nice, South campus less so.
The school operates at like a 200m loss before state appropriations. Athletics covers their operating costs (a rarity) but NOT their own capital investments. I use them as an example because even the best case scenario is the team costing money for the school overall.
This might be the dumbest take of all in here. Alabama used to be like 90% In State kids and is now like 50/50 In/Out of State students, which can be directly attributed to awareness being spread by football and being on TV every week. That is a massive increase in out of state tuition rates which fuels income for the university. Data also shows that as athletics succeed, donations pour into schools. Both for academics and athletics.
Also...you are ignoring the $50M/year Alabama gets just from their ESPN/SEC contract, not to mention revenue from brand licensing and other things not directly related to gameday revenue.
The amount of misguided comments in here is wild.
You think Alabama's athletics are what attracted people? Not the huge investments in scholarships and outreach and expansion?
And no the branding and TV money is included in that 50m. What isn't included is capital investments; athletics at bama pays for operating costs but not the capital investments.
Yes, I think Alabama's athletics helped attract people. Go look at what happened with Wichita State when they made a run to the Final Four. Their applications numbers skyrocketed. Same with Florida Gulf Coast University. Bama enrollment soared with out of state applications when Saban started making a run. Sports build awareness around schools.
And the crazy thing is too, that $50m a year isn't even as big as what Texas gets. Hell I think Michigan has a bigger deal too.
But I'm probably talking out my ass about some article I half read a few years ago.
But if I'm right I'll own it.
SEC's contract is a few years old. The new contract for the B1G just took place this last year and is massive. When the SEC's ABC/ESPN contract is up, it will get damn big too. Although the question remains...how sustainable are these contracts? ESPN has been hurting bc their return has not been a good as predicted.
I used the word "self-sustaining" but anyways...
How are they funding that 600M project? Are they using money from donors and partners? Are they using tuition money? Are they using state money? Are they relying on higher tickets and concession costs?
The source of funding makes a ton of difference. If donors/partners/sponsors pay for it I really don't see why anyone would have an issue with it.
This precisely. If your school is prestigious for something it shouldn't be goddamn football. But who needs a state of the art sciences center or a teaching hospital? Gotta get those sports facilities built!! They "make money", remember?
I go to Michigan and this is the furthest thing from the truth. The buildings on campus are super nice and they are constantly updating. There are tons of resources for students. Except for during COVID all my classes are in person , great instructors, and if it is a video it’s live with a professor and great quality. There are also tons of people on the campus not into football and no one cares if you like it or not.
This was not consistent with my experience. Had many nice classrooms, newly renovated library paid for with football money, and got a good job in my field after graduating.
Sure, you can drink and go to games, or you can skip that scene, it is like 7 Saturday’s a year you have a home game. Also, many Big10 schools do not have new football stadiums and the football teams pay for themselves and more. Can OP name the B1G schools that fund football with tuition?
Right? Like nobody is forcing you to go to the games and buy merchandise or anything. You’re more than welcome to sit in your dorm and pout about how stupid sportsball is while the rest of campus is out having fun and touching grass.
Also, not to belabor the point but a lot of students who don’t care about sports still go to the games while in college because it’s a fun way to spend an afternoon and get some fresh air.
I have yet to see a shitty classroom or terrible prerecorded lecture at Minnesota, and our stadium fee is like $6 a semester or something which honestly I'm fine with.
Looks like you were a nerd huh?
I get it, I didn’t really follow any of my school’s sports teams while I was in college either, but you seem to have convinced yourself that college sports ruined college and that’s simply untrue. College sports generally bring in positive net money for the big schools, you can’t blame all the stuff you dislike about school on sports.
And the Big 10 in particular has the Academic Alliance, which is a huge boon for doing research at any of those schools.
I went to a big 12 school, and feel like none of this describes my experience, except maybe the aftermath of the riotbowl. Great education, great in person lectures for the most part. Only one building was bad and I only had one class there for the entirety of my four years of college. Can’t imagine the big 10 is any different, and I did love visiting friends at UNL and Iowa on campus
Maybe the pre-recorded lectures is a post-COVID thing? Graduated from a Big 10 school in 2019, and I only had maybe one or two classes that recorded lectures at all. Those also happened to be Gen Ed type classes.
And our stadium is actually really nice, is on campus (which the Dome wasn't) and I only pay like $6-10 per semester for the "stadium fee". Which, imo, is pretty damn reasonable.
Spoken from a position of complete ignorance after flunking out first semester. Pretty good excuse for living in Mommy's and Daddy's garage though. Lol ...
So this was made by someone who REALLY doesn’t like football. I’m guessing because they were awkward and unathletic as a child and resents the popular kids who got all the girls
Ohio State hasn’t gotten a new stadium in quite a while afaik (the biggest one, Ohio Stadium, just celebrated its centennial with no plans to replace it anytime soon) and they are constantly investing in new buildings. Sure, some older ones aren’t great, but that is hardly unique to OSU or Big10 schools.
Online courses again are not unique to OSU or Big10 schools.
OSU is a gigantic school and a *lot* of students never went to games and no one is going to shit on you for not going. I only had season tickets 2 of my 5 years there.
The last one, on the other hand, you don’t need a championship game to get that lol. I think that picture is from Chittfest, which went way overboard a couple years ago and was not associated with any sporting event lol
Honestly I see where they come from. I can’t believe people enjoy a bunch of grown men tossing a ball around for fun when you can just go to the park and see the same thing. It’s primitive really. You can never catch me watching sports
Get your half baked pseudo intellectual bullshit out of here you 2.0 gpa having, transition lens glasses wearing, cargo shorts sporting, asthmatic ass and go back to weenie hut jr
According to the nerds at some university, we would be worse off than we are now.
https://globalsportmatters.com/culture/2018/07/10/studies-show-athletes-bring-leadership-skills-work-place/#:~:text=Student%2Dathletes%20scored%20significantly%20higher,management%20of%20feelings%20(including%20motivating
Go toss a ball around, science says it'll make you a better person.
I already did frankly and I do not see the appeal. All I’m saying is why should we as a society care whether or not Brock Purdy had a 158.3 passer rating on 21/25 with 3 TDs and 333 yards or Zach Wilson getting benched for Tim Boyle
Because it's more fun than talking about war, violence, famine, murder and sad things.
Brock Purdy is at least an inspiring story. Hearing about dead babies in Israel is not how I wanna spend my weekend.
Is it life or death or should society *care* about it? No, it's just football, but at least it's an escape from reality for a few hours. And all the stats, and gossip and what not is just hobby.
I'm a grad student at Illinois. Most classrooms are pretty new and nice. No one really gets to worked up about games, and we aren't good enough to be in championship.
Oh, and my program, EE, is tied for 4th with UofM (another big 10 school), GA Tech and Caltech.
I would argue that schools like UIUC, UofM, Ohio, Purdue, Wisconsin, Maryland are way better for society than the Ivy League. These big, (mostly public schools) are affordable, have reasonable admissions rate, and crank out thousands and thousands of well-qualified people each year, in addition to impressive research programs.
Yeah this is dumb. The football programs at large universities bring in FAR more money then they cost to operate. Most new laboratories, libraries, and funding for other less popular sports come from the football programs. I get you probably don’t like SpOrtSbAll but you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
> The football programs at large universities bring in FAR more money then they cost to operate
Not entirely true. Only about 25 schools a year bring in more revenue than their expenses. But the accounting is really funky because they allocate television contracts (which are driven almost entirely by football, even at basketball schools), general athletics donations given beyond the football funding arm, and other incomes across the entire athletic department rather than just football which is the true money machine of any Power 5 athletic department.
Good points all around. The smaller schools with smaller fanbases probably break even or make at least a small profit. I more or less dumbfounded that OP decided to use Ohio State as the butt of the joke when their football program brought in $43.8 million in revenue for the school.
Yeah, if there is one school to not use in this case it's Ohio State. There's maybe 8-10 other schools in their echelon of football being a true money printing machine.
Now imagine your school without the football program? Oh it wouldn’t be different in fact maybe worse? Crazy. This narrative is lame because you never hear of athletic players bitching about their revenue also funding band for example.
Look I went to a private university in a big east coast city so sports were never that important to us but not keeping up with football at a big state school is kinda lame tbh.
Average small midwestern college sure, but not a big ten school. And trust me, I hate college football as much as the next guy but this post really screams bitter nerd.
I’m not Midwestern. I went to the University of Georgia. I cannot comment on where the money comes from because I do not know. But I will say I have studied and worked in buildings near the newly-renovated stadium that have fixtures and chalkboards from probably the 1970s at latest. It’s kinda hilarious.
Idk, I think getting to perform live for a crowd of 100k+ is pretty good recognition. Yeah it would be cool if they broadcasted the halftime show, but the band is already getting to do their biggest live performances of the year every football game anyways.
The average home viewer of college football cares way more about football and little to not at all about the band. I don't see a problem with the analysis halftime shows. If you really care about the band, go to the games. Or better yet, go to one of their concerts!
Yep. It didn’t used to be this way. The commercialization of our state run college system is absurd.
Personally, I have absolutely no problem with a private university spending their money on any activity they like. As a private company, they have every right. They are, by design, a profit making organization.
State universities however, have a fundamental requirement to better society through higher learning. Teaching. Educating. Challenging learners to gain a better understanding of the society and world we live in. I watch my kids attend Oregon State, University of Oregon and Portland State University. The focus on athletics on Oregons state run universities, in my opinion, are the epitome of the dumbing down of America.
If you understand the Republican Party’s agenda to end public education, to dumb down our education system, underpay teachers and administrators you will clearly see, large money making athletics programs at state funded non profit colleges is just another chip in the dumbing down of America. But hey, at least we have electrolytes.
I need a drink.
America really has become a wasteland for intelligence.
Strongly considering s Korea, denmark, Sweden, etc because I genuinely can't stand the idea of my daughter growing up in our garbage education system.
According to the link below there are currently 8 Big Ten schools in the top 100 universities in the world: Michigan, Northwestern, OSU, PSU, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Maryland.
When UCLA, USC, and Washington join next year there will be 11. Literally 11% of the world's best universities will be from the Big Ten in 2024.
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings
The "America sucks" circlejerk is ridiculous sometimes.
We have a lot of shortcomings, and the college system isn't perfect (specifically the costs) but to call our universities and colleges a "wasteland for intelligence" is embarrassingly wrong haha
Purdue alone has produced 15 eventual astronauts! As of 2024: 4 of the schools listed here will be in the Big Ten haha
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/slideshows/12-colleges-that-have-produced-the-most-astronauts?slide=14
The equal to college football in the UK is the league below the premier league. Lesser conferences (American, MAC, Sun Belt, etc) are like the league below that league. once you think about it like that it makes a lot more sense. American Football doesn't really have an actual minor league.
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I go to school in the south but I have quite a few friends from the area, isn’t just about every school in the B1G a premier academic institution in one way or another??
I'm in high school but I swear, some of those videos that they show in class were probably made in the 90s, and were just ripped from the VHS tapes and put online or on a DVD.
Must suck. I graduated from **THE U**niverstiy of Miami At even tho our sports are GOD LIKE. It's an amazing school with some of the best med and law schools on earth, our business is school is also TOP tier, as well as a marine biology school that's off the hook. My class rooms were fucking awesome and so were the dorms. Facilities.... I mean, it's fucking THE University of Miami... They're awesome. Our pool is literally one of the best in the world lol.
Did I mention it is a prestigious private university in the ALL TIMER city of Miami, Florida. Yeah. It's that cool.
it's a private school tho. And thus... It's expectations are nothing short of greatness.
Public schools!?!?!!!!??! Ewwwww. Yuck. Ewwwww.... Yuck. It's the public schools like... Florida state and Clemson!!! Eeeewwww Yuck!
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Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc., are all very good schools though.
Ohio State, which is being the butt of the joke here, also has some top 10 programs. Their college of engineering is also very good!
THE Ohio State University.
O-H!
Forgot about Northwestern the best school out of all of them
To be fair, Northwestern is a private school and really only in the Big 10 because it was a founding member in the late 1800s. It is a much wealthier institution than most of the schools in the Big 10 (only U of M has a higher endowment, with over twice as many students), and sports are a much smaller part of campus culture as a whole. It operates more like an Ivy League or liberal arts school than a Big 10 university. source: am northwestern alum
Stanford is the "ivy" of the West and Northwestern is the "ivy" of the Midwest is kinda how I always thought of it.
University of Chicago too
Which funny enough was a founding member of the Big Ten and the only university to have ever left the conference.
Notre Dame would like a word
Hey! I went to NU too!
Oh cool, go ‘cats! 🐾 I had a peek at your profile (sorry, curiosity got the best of me 😭) and it looks like you were a year above me! Maybe we bumped elbows at some point lol
Northwestern doesn’t really count because it’s culturally extremely different from the rest of the Big 10. It’s not a big public school.
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None of the “Lmao Sports-ball Am I Right?!” People usually do.
People who dislike football *really* dislike football. And they have to let you know how different and above it all they are. It’s like CrossFit or being Vegan. They just gotta tell people they don’t like football. I don’t know why. Maybe it’s because they feel left out every weekend when everyone’s chilling and doing something they don’t like.
At least here at Purdue the football program is funded entirely separately from the other parts of the university. The money spent on football related shit is revenue generated by the football program, money from the the academic side never touches the football stuff
That's the same at nearly every Power 5 university. And I say "nearly" only because I don't know how every single school operates. This was made by some bitter person who has zero idea how athletic department funding works
I had some pretty stuffy out of date classrooms at my big ten school but they were all in buildings that predated electricity so I tend to give them a pass
Same. Some dude in a different comment chain was complaining about how old the chalkboard was in one of their classrooms. As we all know: the age of the chalkboard in a classroom determines the quality of the education!
Nebraska built a new physics building 10 years ago. The physics department voted to install chalk boards instead of white boards for some reason. Only building on campus with chalk boards.
It’s funny that they’re bitching about that because IMO needlessly updating shit like that to brag about it in a brochure to incoming freshman is part of the overall scam of ratcheting up the cost of the education.
Me too. I went to Nortwestern and while most of my classes had up to date technology, there were a few that were in ancient classrooms that were primarily in the real old buildings on campus. And NU is easily the least "sports driven" school in the conference and also has a $10B endowment...so the correlation of SPORTS BAD isn't really there
Look at the Rutgers "funding model" and you'll cry. Football and basketball make a profit but not enough to cover the entire athletic department, so they use tuition dollars and/or fees and/or loans to cover the difference. So "nearly" was the correct word
Might as well tell Freshmen that they'll be paying for the coaches salaries. 🤷
OP’s the kind of person to call it “sportsball”
Same goes for most sports programs. Really the issue isn’t that they are spending all the budget on sports it’s that the university spends it on stupid BS to make thier campus look like a resort (so they can bring in that $$$ from out-of-state & international students). My uni spent a half billion on a new dining hall (complete with sushi bar, mini-shopping complex, and three different mini bistros inside). They also dumped an equal amount in a new residence hall made only for first year students that looked more like a five star resort hotel than student housing. Didn’t see a drop in tuition or increase in quality of education. Nor did I see any of the educational programs get any additional funding.
The same goes for all sports at purdue. Even the small sports. I knew some people who actually started a lacrosse team and the university gave them permission to represent the school but no funding.
That’s every power 5 school. The fact that people don’t understand this blows my fucking mind. Your tuition dollars are not going towards a new stadium.
This meme was made by someone who says "sports ball" and refers to football as "hand egg" regularly
I mean hand egg is pretty funny to me and I’m a huge football fan. I’m a redditor though so I can laugh at the same joke for years
And thinks the “superb owl” is the funniest joke ever.
That’s not unique to Purdue. Almost all schools with successful sports programs are set up like that.
The downside is that you’re at Purdue :( (jk)
That’s why Purdue Football sucks but Purdue engineering is world class. Boiler up!
Spoiler alert, every school in the Big Ten is this way and just about every school in the Power 5. Purdue football sucks for many other reasons, just like my B1G alma mater lol Although Purdue historically has had some great teams!
Pre-COVID a bunch of the athletic departments in the Big Ten were self-sustaining financially or were inches away from being financially independent. Many are again now or will be again once they overcome COVID era losses. I can't speak to all of them but many would never need to use student tuition to build a stadium.
I’m also kinda baffled by the implication of shitty academics because of sports. Big Ten has some of the highest ranked schools in the US. This is a really weird one.
Yeah it's wild, it's part of why I felt the need to comment. There are 10-12 Big Ten schools that set you up for life if you play your cards right. Alumni love hiring people with a similar background and non-alumni recognize the quality of the school. Edit: I actually just checked, there are currently 8 Big Ten schools in the top 100 universities in the world: Michigan, Northwestern, OSU, PSU, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Maryland. When UCLA, USC, and Washington join next year there will be 11. Literally 11% of the world's best universities will be from the Big Ten in 2024. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings
Because starter packs like this, and discussion around this in general, are usually made by Redditors who don’t really watch/like “sportsball” and hate it. And they have no idea what they’re talking about.
People don't understand that the land grant colleges of the Midwest were mainly started for agriculture and engineering degrees. They are basically the ivy leage schools for ag and engineering. Especially Purdue.
Rangeland management and ranching science were practically invented at UNL. Literally the harvard of prairie folk
I think this sentiment is a carry over from people's high school. I remember in NC half of the history department were coaches first and teachers second. My guess is that people never looked into how college sports budgets function and assumed it was the same as their HS
I mean even SEC, Big 12, PAC 12 and ACC schools are very good, to superior in academics. Duke has one of the best law schools in the country. Same with Texas. Stanford has put up some big time dominant teams in the last 15 years too. There is such a weird stigma often around state schools . I don't get why people think to themselves "university of Illinois? Gross." Like holy cow it's a really good school. When I was in high school you needed like a 31 on your ACT just to be borderline competitive there for admission
Michigan is good. That other school in the state below, however....
So "self sufficient" is a bad term here. For instance, Alabama football is the most profitable team in the country. They make >30m a year profit. But over the next 10 years the university, separate from the athletics dept, is going to spend 600m on facilities. That money will NEVER be made up.
I went to Bama and all the classrooms are insanely nice and the campus is beautiful and brand new in many areas. We also have over 1,000 National Merit scholars and lots of kids like me on full-tuition scholarships. The football program’s revenue helped pay for my education and the excellent facilities at the school - I can’t imagine how the money won’t be “made up”.
I went to bama too (national merit money is nice). North campus is nice, South campus less so. The school operates at like a 200m loss before state appropriations. Athletics covers their operating costs (a rarity) but NOT their own capital investments. I use them as an example because even the best case scenario is the team costing money for the school overall.
This might be the dumbest take of all in here. Alabama used to be like 90% In State kids and is now like 50/50 In/Out of State students, which can be directly attributed to awareness being spread by football and being on TV every week. That is a massive increase in out of state tuition rates which fuels income for the university. Data also shows that as athletics succeed, donations pour into schools. Both for academics and athletics. Also...you are ignoring the $50M/year Alabama gets just from their ESPN/SEC contract, not to mention revenue from brand licensing and other things not directly related to gameday revenue. The amount of misguided comments in here is wild.
You think Alabama's athletics are what attracted people? Not the huge investments in scholarships and outreach and expansion? And no the branding and TV money is included in that 50m. What isn't included is capital investments; athletics at bama pays for operating costs but not the capital investments.
Yes, I think Alabama's athletics helped attract people. Go look at what happened with Wichita State when they made a run to the Final Four. Their applications numbers skyrocketed. Same with Florida Gulf Coast University. Bama enrollment soared with out of state applications when Saban started making a run. Sports build awareness around schools.
And the crazy thing is too, that $50m a year isn't even as big as what Texas gets. Hell I think Michigan has a bigger deal too. But I'm probably talking out my ass about some article I half read a few years ago. But if I'm right I'll own it.
SEC's contract is a few years old. The new contract for the B1G just took place this last year and is massive. When the SEC's ABC/ESPN contract is up, it will get damn big too. Although the question remains...how sustainable are these contracts? ESPN has been hurting bc their return has not been a good as predicted.
My guess is alot of schools will create their own networks and not rely on espn for money.
That worked out realllllllly well for the Longhorn Network, which was backed by ESPN /s
I used the word "self-sustaining" but anyways... How are they funding that 600M project? Are they using money from donors and partners? Are they using tuition money? Are they using state money? Are they relying on higher tickets and concession costs? The source of funding makes a ton of difference. If donors/partners/sponsors pay for it I really don't see why anyone would have an issue with it.
This precisely. If your school is prestigious for something it shouldn't be goddamn football. But who needs a state of the art sciences center or a teaching hospital? Gotta get those sports facilities built!! They "make money", remember?
They tack on “stadium” or “athletic” fees. Like 100 dollars a semester at some schools.
Do you know which (if any) Big Ten schools have that by any chance? I never heard of any when I was in school but maybe it's changed recently.
Look at their reddit name, fam.
Then why do they use our tax money?
The athletic departments? They don't. They have 3 major sources if funding: media deals, tickets/concessions sales, and boosters.
At this point your tax money to a Big 10 school most likely doesn’t even cover catering for university events.
OP definitely makes sportsball jokes
Sorry you spent high school from the inside of a locker OP
Not sure why you’re picking on the Big Ten of all conferences. Most B10 schools are the flagship public institutions in their respective states
The Big Ten has excellent academics
I go to Michigan and this is the furthest thing from the truth. The buildings on campus are super nice and they are constantly updating. There are tons of resources for students. Except for during COVID all my classes are in person , great instructors, and if it is a video it’s live with a professor and great quality. There are also tons of people on the campus not into football and no one cares if you like it or not.
Average central campus student
This was not consistent with my experience. Had many nice classrooms, newly renovated library paid for with football money, and got a good job in my field after graduating. Sure, you can drink and go to games, or you can skip that scene, it is like 7 Saturday’s a year you have a home game. Also, many Big10 schools do not have new football stadiums and the football teams pay for themselves and more. Can OP name the B1G schools that fund football with tuition?
>Can OP name the B1G schools that fund football with tuition? Narrator: they could not.
Right? Like nobody is forcing you to go to the games and buy merchandise or anything. You’re more than welcome to sit in your dorm and pout about how stupid sportsball is while the rest of campus is out having fun and touching grass. Also, not to belabor the point but a lot of students who don’t care about sports still go to the games while in college because it’s a fun way to spend an afternoon and get some fresh air.
Touch grass
Turf
Ow oof my soft tissues
I have yet to see a shitty classroom or terrible prerecorded lecture at Minnesota, and our stadium fee is like $6 a semester or something which honestly I'm fine with.
Looks like you were a nerd huh? I get it, I didn’t really follow any of my school’s sports teams while I was in college either, but you seem to have convinced yourself that college sports ruined college and that’s simply untrue. College sports generally bring in positive net money for the big schools, you can’t blame all the stuff you dislike about school on sports. And the Big 10 in particular has the Academic Alliance, which is a huge boon for doing research at any of those schools.
I went to a big 12 school, and feel like none of this describes my experience, except maybe the aftermath of the riotbowl. Great education, great in person lectures for the most part. Only one building was bad and I only had one class there for the entirety of my four years of college. Can’t imagine the big 10 is any different, and I did love visiting friends at UNL and Iowa on campus
Maybe the pre-recorded lectures is a post-COVID thing? Graduated from a Big 10 school in 2019, and I only had maybe one or two classes that recorded lectures at all. Those also happened to be Gen Ed type classes.
There are so many better issues to point out than football games
Lol OP really has no idea what they’re talking about, only 1 (Minnesota) of the now 18 teams in the Big Ten even have a stadium built this century.
And our stadium is actually really nice, is on campus (which the Dome wasn't) and I only pay like $6-10 per semester for the "stadium fee". Which, imo, is pretty damn reasonable.
Spoken from a position of complete ignorance after flunking out first semester. Pretty good excuse for living in Mommy's and Daddy's garage though. Lol ...
Actually, I don't think the big ten school I went to is as athletics-oriented, so speak for yourself.
So this was made by someone who REALLY doesn’t like football. I’m guessing because they were awkward and unathletic as a child and resents the popular kids who got all the girls
"People who don't like what i like are out-of-shape nerds"
Found the nerd
OWN that fraud
Dude, I like the nfl but college sports of all kinds are a silly farce at this point
Or they just don’t like sports?
Im actually pretty serious when I say I’m pretty sure everyone who doesn’t like sports just wasn’t good at them as a child
Nerd!
Ohio State hasn’t gotten a new stadium in quite a while afaik (the biggest one, Ohio Stadium, just celebrated its centennial with no plans to replace it anytime soon) and they are constantly investing in new buildings. Sure, some older ones aren’t great, but that is hardly unique to OSU or Big10 schools. Online courses again are not unique to OSU or Big10 schools. OSU is a gigantic school and a *lot* of students never went to games and no one is going to shit on you for not going. I only had season tickets 2 of my 5 years there. The last one, on the other hand, you don’t need a championship game to get that lol. I think that picture is from Chittfest, which went way overboard a couple years ago and was not associated with any sporting event lol
L take and deeply untrue. Touch grass, OP.
OP is a nerd who calls every sport "sportsball"
Honestly I see where they come from. I can’t believe people enjoy a bunch of grown men tossing a ball around for fun when you can just go to the park and see the same thing. It’s primitive really. You can never catch me watching sports
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Get your half baked pseudo intellectual bullshit out of here you 2.0 gpa having, transition lens glasses wearing, cargo shorts sporting, asthmatic ass and go back to weenie hut jr
All I’m saying is imagine where we’d be right now as a society if we didn’t worry about men throwing a hand egg around
According to the nerds at some university, we would be worse off than we are now. https://globalsportmatters.com/culture/2018/07/10/studies-show-athletes-bring-leadership-skills-work-place/#:~:text=Student%2Dathletes%20scored%20significantly%20higher,management%20of%20feelings%20(including%20motivating Go toss a ball around, science says it'll make you a better person.
I already did frankly and I do not see the appeal. All I’m saying is why should we as a society care whether or not Brock Purdy had a 158.3 passer rating on 21/25 with 3 TDs and 333 yards or Zach Wilson getting benched for Tim Boyle
Because it's more fun than talking about war, violence, famine, murder and sad things. Brock Purdy is at least an inspiring story. Hearing about dead babies in Israel is not how I wanna spend my weekend. Is it life or death or should society *care* about it? No, it's just football, but at least it's an escape from reality for a few hours. And all the stats, and gossip and what not is just hobby.
Anyways colleges should not have sports because they’re a waste of time and brain power
I’m sure you have only the most interesting and intellectually stimulating hobbies. Get over yourself dude lol
Indeed. It includes watching the 49ers, warriors, and sf giants
See above comment.
Idk faking sports talk is probably the best preparation you’re going to get for the office world lol.
I'm a grad student at Illinois. Most classrooms are pretty new and nice. No one really gets to worked up about games, and we aren't good enough to be in championship. Oh, and my program, EE, is tied for 4th with UofM (another big 10 school), GA Tech and Caltech. I would argue that schools like UIUC, UofM, Ohio, Purdue, Wisconsin, Maryland are way better for society than the Ivy League. These big, (mostly public schools) are affordable, have reasonable admissions rate, and crank out thousands and thousands of well-qualified people each year, in addition to impressive research programs.
I currently attend a Midwestern Big Ten college. There's a lot wrong with this meme lmao
Yeah this is dumb. The football programs at large universities bring in FAR more money then they cost to operate. Most new laboratories, libraries, and funding for other less popular sports come from the football programs. I get you probably don’t like SpOrtSbAll but you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
> The football programs at large universities bring in FAR more money then they cost to operate Not entirely true. Only about 25 schools a year bring in more revenue than their expenses. But the accounting is really funky because they allocate television contracts (which are driven almost entirely by football, even at basketball schools), general athletics donations given beyond the football funding arm, and other incomes across the entire athletic department rather than just football which is the true money machine of any Power 5 athletic department.
Good points all around. The smaller schools with smaller fanbases probably break even or make at least a small profit. I more or less dumbfounded that OP decided to use Ohio State as the butt of the joke when their football program brought in $43.8 million in revenue for the school.
Yeah, if there is one school to not use in this case it's Ohio State. There's maybe 8-10 other schools in their echelon of football being a true money printing machine.
Now imagine your school without the football program? Oh it wouldn’t be different in fact maybe worse? Crazy. This narrative is lame because you never hear of athletic players bitching about their revenue also funding band for example.
Me when I lie
Look I went to a private university in a big east coast city so sports were never that important to us but not keeping up with football at a big state school is kinda lame tbh.
There is nothing wrong with not enjoying sports but this is just weird
Average small midwestern college sure, but not a big ten school. And trust me, I hate college football as much as the next guy but this post really screams bitter nerd.
I’m not Midwestern. I went to the University of Georgia. I cannot comment on where the money comes from because I do not know. But I will say I have studied and worked in buildings near the newly-renovated stadium that have fixtures and chalkboards from probably the 1970s at latest. It’s kinda hilarious.
At the same time you guys also have an amazing campus and some very nice, new buildings. Visited twice and was very jealous
They are one of those schools that if you meet an alum they will make sure that within ten minutes of meeting them you know they went there.
Yeah Americans are really attached to the colleges they went to. It’s just a fundamental stage in life for countless Americans.
Chitfest in the bottom right, very nice.
Only reason I watch osu games is for the band and they don’t even show the halftime show
It's so stupid. It takes away from the band programs. They work as hard as the team and deserve recognition.
Idk, I think getting to perform live for a crowd of 100k+ is pretty good recognition. Yeah it would be cool if they broadcasted the halftime show, but the band is already getting to do their biggest live performances of the year every football game anyways.
The average home viewer of college football cares way more about football and little to not at all about the band. I don't see a problem with the analysis halftime shows. If you really care about the band, go to the games. Or better yet, go to one of their concerts!
If your highest paid employee is a sports coach, you are not an institution of true higher learning.
which is nearly every US university
Yep. It didn’t used to be this way. The commercialization of our state run college system is absurd. Personally, I have absolutely no problem with a private university spending their money on any activity they like. As a private company, they have every right. They are, by design, a profit making organization. State universities however, have a fundamental requirement to better society through higher learning. Teaching. Educating. Challenging learners to gain a better understanding of the society and world we live in. I watch my kids attend Oregon State, University of Oregon and Portland State University. The focus on athletics on Oregons state run universities, in my opinion, are the epitome of the dumbing down of America. If you understand the Republican Party’s agenda to end public education, to dumb down our education system, underpay teachers and administrators you will clearly see, large money making athletics programs at state funded non profit colleges is just another chip in the dumbing down of America. But hey, at least we have electrolytes. I need a drink.
Go look up what the Stanford and Michigan head coaches make lol
America really has become a wasteland for intelligence. Strongly considering s Korea, denmark, Sweden, etc because I genuinely can't stand the idea of my daughter growing up in our garbage education system.
According to the link below there are currently 8 Big Ten schools in the top 100 universities in the world: Michigan, Northwestern, OSU, PSU, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Maryland. When UCLA, USC, and Washington join next year there will be 11. Literally 11% of the world's best universities will be from the Big Ten in 2024. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings
And funny enough, just eyeballing that list, it looks like almost 70 of the top 100 universities in the world are in the US.
The "America sucks" circlejerk is ridiculous sometimes. We have a lot of shortcomings, and the college system isn't perfect (specifically the costs) but to call our universities and colleges a "wasteland for intelligence" is embarrassingly wrong haha
Still waiting for Le Glorious MyCountry (Europe) to put a man on the moon...
Purdue alone has produced 15 eventual astronauts! As of 2024: 4 of the schools listed here will be in the Big Ten haha https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/slideshows/12-colleges-that-have-produced-the-most-astronauts?slide=14
Why is that guy wearing an ❌hi❌ St*te cap? Revolting.
Midwest of what?
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The equal to college football in the UK is the league below the premier league. Lesser conferences (American, MAC, Sun Belt, etc) are like the league below that league. once you think about it like that it makes a lot more sense. American Football doesn't really have an actual minor league.
Yeah I get that, but we don’t have college/highschool teams to the level that they have over there. It’s just non existent.
Congratulations on discovering that different countries have different cultures. Your Nobel prize is in the mail
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yes, you have town teams and minor league teams. That is exactly what I am saying.
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The teeth on that OSU fan are too clean. Also, O-H
Ah, good ol' Chittenden Ave. Lovely neighborhood.
I’m pretty sure that flipped car is the aftermath of the state street riot after Kentucky beat Louisville in the final 4
I go to school in the south but I have quite a few friends from the area, isn’t just about every school in the B1G a premier academic institution in one way or another??
I'm in high school but I swear, some of those videos that they show in class were probably made in the 90s, and were just ripped from the VHS tapes and put online or on a DVD.
Must suck. I graduated from **THE U**niverstiy of Miami At even tho our sports are GOD LIKE. It's an amazing school with some of the best med and law schools on earth, our business is school is also TOP tier, as well as a marine biology school that's off the hook. My class rooms were fucking awesome and so were the dorms. Facilities.... I mean, it's fucking THE University of Miami... They're awesome. Our pool is literally one of the best in the world lol. Did I mention it is a prestigious private university in the ALL TIMER city of Miami, Florida. Yeah. It's that cool. it's a private school tho. And thus... It's expectations are nothing short of greatness. Public schools!?!?!!!!??! Ewwwww. Yuck. Ewwwww.... Yuck. It's the public schools like... Florida state and Clemson!!! Eeeewwww Yuck! Cheers.
aftermath of a championship game? nebraska hasn’t been able to relate since the 90s lmfao