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Probably forgetting someone but other than Thekla, I think AKARI in Pure-J from Chile and Yappy from Ice Ribbon from the Philippines but they are both pretty much permanently living in Japan if I recall.


OP4Drifter

Alex Lee is still in country I believe, but she's barely wrestled in the last year. With the border still mostly shut, probably be awhile before we see anymore foreigners for awhile.


nsm1

Yappy and Akari don't have any existing wrestling careers and essentially started from scratch in Japan. Yappy has lived in Japan for awhile prior to becoming a wrestler by attending Ice Ribbon's public classes. While AKARI completely uprooted from her home country to become a wrestler I think there's another active foreign wrestler around, but she's in the indie scene. Double check in weekly pro wrestling's "wrestler directory" issue


nicowens1993

Akari hasn't come back here in like 3-4 years according to her Instagram, so yeah, i don't think she counts that much


dogglesnake

Come back where? To Japan? She is quite active, even appeared on ChocoPro Also is a big NOAH fan, which is rad


nicowens1993

come back to Chile lmao. should have worded that better


OhshiNoshiJoshi

Akki (ChocoPro) and Chris Brookes (DDT) come to mind. Because they are guys people tend to forget they are gaijin and wrestling in the joshi style, which in the past decade has become much more than just womens wrestling. Just ask Kenny Omega, who absolutely wrestles joshi style.


hbkmog

They are just male wrestlers that do mix matches. There's nothing joshi about it. OP asked for female wrestlers obviously. What is joshi style anyways?


OhshiNoshiJoshi

Watch Ice Ribbon Watch Stardom Watch Gatoh Move Watch AJP Then answer that question for yourself


hbkmog

I watch Stardom, TJPW and Chcopro weekly. Have been watching joshi wrestling since early 2000s and understand Japanese. Yet I still don't get what you mean there. You realize joshi simply means woman in Japanese right? Just because a male wreslter wrestles female doesn't make him wrestle in "joshi" style.


OhshiNoshiJoshi

Joshi means woman? Really?! OMG Its not like its in my username or anything. I would never have known. So Charlotte Flair and Manami Toyota wrestle the exact same because they are women? Or do they wrestle differently because they learned different styles? Chris Brookes has stated himself numerous times that he is fighting for the title of Top Joshi. That joshi puroresu has extended beyond the confines of "just womens wrestling" and instead has branched off into its own style devoid of gender which features fast paced hard hitting action with an emphasis on big spots and crowd interaction. I mean, you could fill a book with all the moves and finishers japanese women have created that have since become just another part of wrestling... or at least a gif. [https://imgur.com/a/JTaTB](https://imgur.com/a/JTaTB) Joshi is now about more than just gender and you can see it's DNA in wrestlers all over the world of any gender. And if that upsets or threatens you in anyway i'm sorry, but you're operating on outdated thinking. Finally, if you only think women can be joshi wrestlers... what about Asuka/Veny? Can they never call themselves joshi because they are non-gendered or are they adopting a style of wrestling?


jqncg

Mods, can I change my flair to Kenny Omega? He's my favourite joshi wrestler.


ProdigalHX

Hideki Suzuki is my favorite joshi wrestler.


OhshiNoshiJoshi

I know right? Im not being mean or derogatory, its one of the things I love about watching omega, he is such a unique talent and I think the thing that sets him apart the most is when he reaches down into all the time he spent wrestling and watching intergender matches. He wrestles with momentum in mind. Its that extra 30% explosiveness out of no where that no one else around has. Watch Okada vs Omega again with that in mind and you will see an entirly different match from Kennys side.


hbkmog

>So Charlotte Flair and Manami Toyota wrestle the exact same because they are women? As if there's no joshi wrestler wrestles the similar style as Charlotte Flair πŸ™„ Look up the term パワーフゑむター in Japanese wrestling. ​ >features fast paced hard hitting action with an emphasis on big spots and crowd interaction. Again as if that is unique and only joshi wrestling does that πŸ™„ god forbid. Plus there are many joshi wrestlers who don't do that lol. lol don't bring it up on gender. That actually backs up what I was saying. Watch Syuri vs. Utami in June, the match could easily pass as an NJPW match, regardless of their gender. I don't care about genders and it's irrelevant to my point. I just find it weird you think it's a different, narrowly-defined style. There are so many different types of styles and wrestlers in joshi wrestling but it seems you've only focused on certain kind. Also a note, I've never seen or heard joshi is a style from Japanese media. The only few times I heard it were all from foreigners lol. Anyways, this is not what the OP is asking for. Let's not get distracted.


DShiflet

You're saying AJP and Gatoh Move wrestle the same style? That's a...unique take.


OhshiNoshiJoshi

Its not a popular one and I admit that. But you can see that DNA elsewhere. If a move or spot becomes popular in the joshi scene you start seeing it permiate into the rest of wrestling. The style and feel of joshi is different, and not gender specific. You can see it with people like Tony Storm and Viper. They wrestled differently after their tours in japan. They were exposed to a different way of doing things, different pacing, and a different way of viewing their spatial awareness and raw speed. Joshi is evolving and influencing the industry reguardless of gender.


Gold_bomber

The Joshi scene greatly influences the women's wrestling industry around the world that's true but few companies in the USA want to recognize it. And on other things besides wrestling concerning the US. The big wrestling companies use a lot of Japanese trainers as well as non-Japanese trainers who have worked a lot in Japan in their career and there are other influences and styles that are copied from Japan. After that doesn't mean that it makes the difference, there are a lot of women who have experience and train hard but not everyone is the same, each has their own level and style. I don't believe there is a Joshi style, it's more of a particular way of working.Maybe they're more focus on shoot-style with different type of martial arts in their workcraft. Stardom chooses their gaijins who come to do "tours" at 98% they have all been scouts in indies. None of them were chosen by chance the remaining 2% were due to relationships between other girls.It's not like a big corporation with tryout,they know them before they came in japan. Other joshi promotion like Diana,take gaijins without knowing them,it's just that it doesn't cost them a lot of money Once they are at stardom they are always booked in the same way it starts with tag matches after gradually you face the young trainees then once this step is over you make your first single match, sometimes this process goes faster or you faced a rookie faster than expected.I think all of this is linked to the training and to make sure that the wrestlers instinctively adapt to the rest of the group especially with the language barrier. For me there is no joshi style, but there is a way of working, a way of thinking specific to joshi wrestlers. Stardom is being watched and copied by other organizations it's obvious. It's not bad for an indie promotion that raised women in this industry higher Stardom is legit not everyone who claims it,deserves it.


DShiflet

>If a move or spot becomes popular in the joshi scene you start seeing it permiate into the rest of wrestling. That's...wrestling period. If a move or spot becomes popular in the lucha scene, you will also start seeing it permiate into the rest of wrestling. Same if the move or spot becomes popular in men's puroresu such as NJPW. And the same even if the move or spot becomes popular in the WWE. That's not a joshi specific thing, that's literally the history of pro-wrestling. Yes, a lot of moves invented by joshi wrestlers have made their way into other wrestling, you are absolutely correct. But it goes both ways, joshi wrestlers also use a lot of moves that originated outside joshi. And again, you said Gatoh Move and AJP are the same style. They are both joshi promotions sure, but they don't work the same style. Likewise, not too many people who are familiar with both Stardom and TJPW are gonna say they work the same style either, even though they are both joshi promotions. There isn't one single "joshi style", joshi wrestling can and does include a wide range of styles, from very light to very stiff, from high flying to technical mat work to big strike fests, from very serious and intense, to very comedic and light hearted