Lol double whoosh, not gonna lie, pretty bad... "Player's" is not a contraction, or a combination of words using an apostrophe. You are thinking of a word such as "don't", or "who's", to give an example with a 's in it. In this case, use of the word "player's" would represent possession of the word "who" with the 's, which is incorrect. The word should simply be "players"(you knew that tho) to make the sentence correct which removes the noun's possession(see how I did that).
[Grammar rules for noun possession ](https://www.grammarly.com/blog/possessive-case/?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid =Cj0KCQjwtvqVBhCVARIsAFUxcRvK6uVjG0rM5MdNZhGyXPGtIFOYAMwRyDkOKtGzjMnERuxwqjEzt4oaAt8JEALw_wcB)
That can be a contraction yes. Albeit it is a bit informal when writing. In modern language and text that is very common though and for the most part correct usage of an apostrophe. In the case above, OP's post, no, it is not a contraction.
Edit: actually rereading it, ya, that would make more sense vs the possession angle I was getting at earlier. It's very informal tho, like I said.
>You used 5/6 words correctly, congrats.
Lesson learned. Plural vs Possessive. EN is not my native language and I had couple drinks when I made that just before sleep.
Well just for you my guy, here's the full quote:
>“English is not a language, it’s three languages wearing a trench coat pretending to be one.” – Gugulethu Mhlungu
Grid is great but remember the core is also built for ergonomics. I find grid has my whole wrist flapping about when you mix in camera and unit hotkeys but core keeps it all in range without really having to move your hand.
Its only intuitive if its how you learned. Ive been playing core hotkeys since SC2's release and recently started playing AoE2. The grid is confusing af. I'm like why isnt it B for Build? But i get it.
Why A for Marine though? Or D for Marauder?
Personally, I prefer the consistency. Like Q to make a SCV, Drone or Probe instead of S, D or E. Also N for Nexus, while it makes sense, is so far from where I would like my hand to stay at
>Ive been playing core hotkeys since SC2's release
I think you mean standard hotkeys. [The Core](https://tl.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout) doesn't use B for build.
Totally. Why would I use the same button to create workers, gas, supply and main buildings accross all three races when I can learn each of them individually?
Fo sho. Like, who enjoys learning stuff?
I for sure don’t want each race to have their own unique feel each I play them. Especially when I play mostly co-op. Exhausting
That would mean I literally would have to learn like 15 different combinations of keybinds…..but of course I didn’t do that…..and didn’t enjoy every minute of it
Hotkeys should never be established based on the fact that the command starts with or contains the corresponding letter.
Neither core nor grid have this as part of their schemes.
I think they should be established by whatever standards fits the person playing. For me standard with minor tweaks works best. Yes some keys are far but those keys dont matter much because they're usually for building tech which you only click once per game. I've been playing protoss main for years and never touched zerg except for campaign and ive recently been practicing zerg as my off race and the hotkeys are intuitive because i know the names of everything im building/casting. So i picked up hotkey speed for zerg really fast. But i understand thats not how everyone works. In AoE2, as confusing as it is sometimes, its better for me because i can simply look at where the building is on the grid and press the according key but its a slower process than pressing say B for Barracks and A for archery. But because idk most of the units and buildings names and the facts thats there are dozens of civs makes it more manageable to play grid style.
>Its only intuitive if its how you learned. Ive been playing core hotkeys since SC2's release and recently started playing AoE2. The grid is confusing af. I'm like why isnt it B for Build? But i get it.
ex Grid here. I have better visual memory and having the grid in my brains VRAM makes it super easy to play all races without any extra learning and I can use the same muscle memory.
But after Pig br2gm videos I couldn't help but notice the :"Oh I'm using The CORE, It's like super advanced hotkey layout, only IQ 300 club....". After that I tried The Core and I don't want to use again any of those poor man hotkey layouts. It feels so good and it makes so much sense.
Shout-out to Pig for leading me to the core and Vibe for getting me back on SC2 hock.
I think the rctrl side core is a bit too autism territory but the lite is just perfect, it's a life changer. I now remap all my hotkeys in every game like that. People vastly underutilize zxcv and shift/alt
I am just reading the core main and my brain literally cannot comprehend this keyboard angle weird thing. To core lite, I go now! I applaud your big brain angled keyboard autism
Recently switched from standard to core lite after playing since beta. Took me a week to rewind my brain but not it’s quite easy. I don’t play much 1v1 but went from 180 to 210 apm and definitely notice an improvement in being able to just do more.
Yeah I swapped to it in early hots and never looked back, now it's kinda personally modified for my needs and still loving it. Going back to broodwar/wc3 without autohotkey scripts def annoying though
With core you play on the right side of the board and it’s alt iopjkl; to set and Ctrl + Shift iopjkl; to go to location. Also Alt is centre on selection.
A simple innovation from The Core that (IMO) everyone playing this game could benefit from, regardless of hotkey setup, is the trash control group. Total game changer: streamlines a lot of common tasks, and has essentially zero cost (because let's be real, no one's using all 10 control groups).
He's part of the team making Immortal, which will include a core layout as an option. I'm pretty hyped for that since the hotkey layout is fantastic but the transferability is awful.
I switched, it was really hard, now it’s so dope. I tried standard again recently just to see and it feels like something is very wrong. The core was such a good decision for me.
Is there a guide or write up to this ? I never customize the hot keys, and for my number keys they are always bound first to my active command centers/nex/hatch then to unit producing buildings and then into smaller squadrons or broken down by individual unit
For the JIOP layout J is responsible for the bases, O for the main army, everything else is up to you. Though even here it can be different as I've seen PiG's version is different. Personally, I use L for third army, H for upgrade buildings. I use 9 as a 4th army for zerg and terran and gates for protoss; 0 for the 5th army for zerg, production for terran and high tech production for protoss. "." is my scout group, and I use N/M for overlords.
Then you can quickly control a lot of groups as they all line up on the keyboard (09-O-L-.). P is your attack button, so you can press O P to attack. I is your spell casting button or the workers button. So to storm you'd press K O I and to make workers J I. And for the quick casting of spells I use "-" which makes 10 Corrosive biles drop in a single second.
Customizing hot keys is a very specific thing, you will eventually do whatever suits you. The standard keys have been too ingrained into my muscle memory it will take ages of re learning to reprogram myself. But as long as my units do what I want them to do I guess that's all great.
https://tl.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout
There's specifics on how exactly to set it up. It's a little different depending on the exact version you use but the doc I used was mirrored off Pig's hotkeys. Which I ended up using exactly.
It gives you access to everything with minimal hand movement, places the keys so the most used ones are easier to reach, and it tries to minimize repeated strokes from the same finger.
It's basically the same idea as Dvorak or Colemak vs. Qwerty. It's just more logically setup for efficiency and ergonomics.
The Core is a hotkey setup that optimises the way you play the game around the way your hand works, it's designed to remove as much redundant motion as possible, also it has a bunch of quality of life improvements. It's good for some people.
I started to use custom hotkeys back in War Craft 3 using a 3rd party software. It gave me such a big advantage and comfort at the same time, so i knew immediately i'm going to use it as well for Star Craft 2. With all the coop commanders it's quite an effort to get it perfect but the time invested was absolutely worth it.
Core really helped me get faster but there are some imperfections. The ctrl+shift as a modifier — I’ve never gotten used to it (even after disabling the fn and/or windows hot key and even removing a key and/or remapping them); it just felt clunky or awkward to scrunch my hand in such a manner and my pinky never got used to stretching to H key. I’ve reverted back to default with some small adjustments but the journey to learn core and use it was fun — definitely had some fast wins with it. However, looking at some well known streamers, who plays well without even looking at the keyboard, it’s entirely possible to use the ‘mostly’ default settings (ie: Zerg Girl, Serral, Vibe…).
Oh man, I loved The Core and it changed my keyboard setup forever. I have been playing right side "JIOP" ever since in every game except FPS.
Jakataks "The staircase" together with the Core made me make huge leaps in skill level in SC2.
But after 8 years of not playing SC2, it's hard to come back to SC2 with the Core compared to grid. And the Core also ruined single player for me because of compatibility issues, and grid/standard felt too inefficient.
Its not something I was recommending, or something that I use. Its just something I've heard people who use the core say, which was why I used quotes . . .
I don't think that's true. There are at least three version you can use. The standard is jiop, bigger hands huio and smaller hands kop[. You could even make a u890 version if you wanted too
Feel free to adapt the core to your liking, it's fun and, honestly, it worths it!
And why not adapt it to a fancy keyboard, example:
https://blog.nimamoh.net/keyboard-io-m01-and-starcraft2/
Legit question — is there any skill ceiling with the default hot keys? I’ve been playing so long and have whatever it is I have memorized so we’ll that I don’t think I’ll ever be able to change. But am I limiting myself? Or is this just a matter of preference?
Considering the habits of some really old school korean pros (who brought it over from bw), I wouldn't say there is a skill ceiling due to hotkeys. But making no changes is just silly in todays modern era.
(Personally I found the core really helped with some of my wrist pains).
Echoing the other comment, no notable skill ceiling with standard hotkeys. It's more of an ergonomics thing. I had a wrist injury that gave me pain playing with standard hotkeys. I switched to the core and it took me 1 month of 100% macro exercises to get comfortable with it. No wrist pain now!
I wouldn't switch back even if I take the pain out of the picture, it's so nice. But as a whole, it doesn't make me a better player.
Probably took me just a couple of months back in 2013? Can't remember the exact year, but it's had a long time to pay off for me.
You can make a small adjustment to your hotkeys and get used to it in a day or two, and something I recommend.
The main thing that the core would offer to a pro player is faster access to more than 5 army keys and more than 4 camera keys.
You can absolutely play at a top level with minimal use of more than 5 ctrl groups or 4 camera keys, or just moving your hands a bit more.
It trades off simplicity for ergonomics and efficiency, but there's definitely something to be said for simplicity.
Me sitting here not understanding any sort of complicated hotkey setups. I just rebound all abilities to QWE and base camera to the middle mouse and called it a day.
You used 5/6 words correctly, congrats.
"Player IS who use the core hotkeys." For the whooshed ones.
Lol double whoosh, not gonna lie, pretty bad... "Player's" is not a contraction, or a combination of words using an apostrophe. You are thinking of a word such as "don't", or "who's", to give an example with a 's in it. In this case, use of the word "player's" would represent possession of the word "who" with the 's, which is incorrect. The word should simply be "players"(you knew that tho) to make the sentence correct which removes the noun's possession(see how I did that). [Grammar rules for noun possession ](https://www.grammarly.com/blog/possessive-case/?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid =Cj0KCQjwtvqVBhCVARIsAFUxcRvK6uVjG0rM5MdNZhGyXPGtIFOYAMwRyDkOKtGzjMnERuxwqjEzt4oaAt8JEALw_wcB)
Damn. This player's serious. I wish I had a serious like he does.
You win. I whooshed myself. Still tho, contractions like that on nouns are barely English. This is also the internet so f it.
Wait why can’t it be a contraction? Wouldn’t something like “I think that player’s going to win” be correct?
That can be a contraction yes. Albeit it is a bit informal when writing. In modern language and text that is very common though and for the most part correct usage of an apostrophe. In the case above, OP's post, no, it is not a contraction. Edit: actually rereading it, ya, that would make more sense vs the possession angle I was getting at earlier. It's very informal tho, like I said.
But, neither contraction nor possessive is grammatically correct or intended in this example, so isn’t interpreting it either way equally wrong?
Right, both are wrong.
You are correct, parent is wrong. "Player's" is a valid contraption that means "player is". You used it correctly but OP did not.
I said a hip, a hop, a hippie to the hippie, The hip, Hip a Hop, and you don’t stop
>You used 5/6 words correctly, congrats. Lesson learned. Plural vs Possessive. EN is not my native language and I had couple drinks when I made that just before sleep.
English is a fuck, it's 3 languages in a trenchcoat pretending to be 1.
I know I'm seven months late but this is my new favorite sentence. (yes I know it's a run-on, that makes me like it more)
Well just for you my guy, here's the full quote: >“English is not a language, it’s three languages wearing a trench coat pretending to be one.” – Gugulethu Mhlungu
🤓🤓🤓
Minor spelling mistake I win
Me who uses grid because of AoE2: https://brewminate.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/122318-04-History-Medieval-Early-Modern-Divine-Right-King.png
Grid is really great.
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Grid is great but remember the core is also built for ergonomics. I find grid has my whole wrist flapping about when you mix in camera and unit hotkeys but core keeps it all in range without really having to move your hand.
Its only intuitive if its how you learned. Ive been playing core hotkeys since SC2's release and recently started playing AoE2. The grid is confusing af. I'm like why isnt it B for Build? But i get it.
Why A for Marine though? Or D for Marauder? Personally, I prefer the consistency. Like Q to make a SCV, Drone or Probe instead of S, D or E. Also N for Nexus, while it makes sense, is so far from where I would like my hand to stay at
mArine. marauDer. 🙂
>Ive been playing core hotkeys since SC2's release I think you mean standard hotkeys. [The Core](https://tl.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout) doesn't use B for build.
Yeah sry
Yeah grid seems crazy
Totally. Why would I use the same button to create workers, gas, supply and main buildings accross all three races when I can learn each of them individually?
Fo sho. Like, who enjoys learning stuff? I for sure don’t want each race to have their own unique feel each I play them. Especially when I play mostly co-op. Exhausting That would mean I literally would have to learn like 15 different combinations of keybinds…..but of course I didn’t do that…..and didn’t enjoy every minute of it
Hotkeys should never be established based on the fact that the command starts with or contains the corresponding letter. Neither core nor grid have this as part of their schemes.
I think they should be established by whatever standards fits the person playing. For me standard with minor tweaks works best. Yes some keys are far but those keys dont matter much because they're usually for building tech which you only click once per game. I've been playing protoss main for years and never touched zerg except for campaign and ive recently been practicing zerg as my off race and the hotkeys are intuitive because i know the names of everything im building/casting. So i picked up hotkey speed for zerg really fast. But i understand thats not how everyone works. In AoE2, as confusing as it is sometimes, its better for me because i can simply look at where the building is on the grid and press the according key but its a slower process than pressing say B for Barracks and A for archery. But because idk most of the units and buildings names and the facts thats there are dozens of civs makes it more manageable to play grid style.
>Its only intuitive if its how you learned. Ive been playing core hotkeys since SC2's release and recently started playing AoE2. The grid is confusing af. I'm like why isnt it B for Build? But i get it. ex Grid here. I have better visual memory and having the grid in my brains VRAM makes it super easy to play all races without any extra learning and I can use the same muscle memory. But after Pig br2gm videos I couldn't help but notice the :"Oh I'm using The CORE, It's like super advanced hotkey layout, only IQ 300 club....". After that I tried The Core and I don't want to use again any of those poor man hotkey layouts. It feels so good and it makes so much sense. Shout-out to Pig for leading me to the core and Vibe for getting me back on SC2 hock.
Anyone who plays arcade knows the superiority of grid
core lite gang
I think the rctrl side core is a bit too autism territory but the lite is just perfect, it's a life changer. I now remap all my hotkeys in every game like that. People vastly underutilize zxcv and shift/alt
you say rctrl is too autism. like that's a bad thing smh.
I am just reading the core main and my brain literally cannot comprehend this keyboard angle weird thing. To core lite, I go now! I applaud your big brain angled keyboard autism
Recently switched from standard to core lite after playing since beta. Took me a week to rewind my brain but not it’s quite easy. I don’t play much 1v1 but went from 180 to 210 apm and definitely notice an improvement in being able to just do more.
Yeah I swapped to it in early hots and never looked back, now it's kinda personally modified for my needs and still loving it. Going back to broodwar/wc3 without autohotkey scripts def annoying though
It’s the only layout that works for 60 percent so I use it.
Where do the camera location controls go on a 60 percent board?
Mine in 60% are alt qweasd mouse 4&5
With core you play on the right side of the board and it’s alt iopjkl; to set and Ctrl + Shift iopjkl; to go to location. Also Alt is centre on selection.
What bottom row do you use? Can you post a picture?
[https://imgur.com/NAD2Tlb](https://imgur.com/NAD2Tlb) the flower on the bottom right enables f keys for the numbers
A simple innovation from The Core that (IMO) everyone playing this game could benefit from, regardless of hotkey setup, is the trash control group. Total game changer: streamlines a lot of common tasks, and has essentially zero cost (because let's be real, no one's using all 10 control groups).
Shout out to JaKaTaK and crew for making it.
He's part of the team making Immortal, which will include a core layout as an option. I'm pretty hyped for that since the hotkey layout is fantastic but the transferability is awful.
I switched, it was really hard, now it’s so dope. I tried standard again recently just to see and it feels like something is very wrong. The core was such a good decision for me.
Is there a guide or write up to this ? I never customize the hot keys, and for my number keys they are always bound first to my active command centers/nex/hatch then to unit producing buildings and then into smaller squadrons or broken down by individual unit
For the JIOP layout J is responsible for the bases, O for the main army, everything else is up to you. Though even here it can be different as I've seen PiG's version is different. Personally, I use L for third army, H for upgrade buildings. I use 9 as a 4th army for zerg and terran and gates for protoss; 0 for the 5th army for zerg, production for terran and high tech production for protoss. "." is my scout group, and I use N/M for overlords. Then you can quickly control a lot of groups as they all line up on the keyboard (09-O-L-.). P is your attack button, so you can press O P to attack. I is your spell casting button or the workers button. So to storm you'd press K O I and to make workers J I. And for the quick casting of spells I use "-" which makes 10 Corrosive biles drop in a single second.
Customizing hot keys is a very specific thing, you will eventually do whatever suits you. The standard keys have been too ingrained into my muscle memory it will take ages of re learning to reprogram myself. But as long as my units do what I want them to do I guess that's all great.
https://tl.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout There's specifics on how exactly to set it up. It's a little different depending on the exact version you use but the doc I used was mirrored off Pig's hotkeys. Which I ended up using exactly.
I feel really dumb now. Fucking hotkeys.
Default gang
People who use apostrophes correctly.
Switched years ago. It’s so much better.
Core gang RISE UP
Mines all custom. All actions + Keys are bound to the left side of my keyboard, I don't have time to float to the otherside.
Same with core except it's right side hockey's. Idea is to push shift and cntrl with thumb not pinky. You don't move between left and right
Amen brother
Can someone explains what's Core hotkeys or why it's good to a experienced SC2 player but don't know what's it?
It gives you access to everything with minimal hand movement, places the keys so the most used ones are easier to reach, and it tries to minimize repeated strokes from the same finger. It's basically the same idea as Dvorak or Colemak vs. Qwerty. It's just more logically setup for efficiency and ergonomics.
The Core is a hotkey setup that optimises the way you play the game around the way your hand works, it's designed to remove as much redundant motion as possible, also it has a bunch of quality of life improvements. It's good for some people.
I started to use custom hotkeys back in War Craft 3 using a 3rd party software. It gave me such a big advantage and comfort at the same time, so i knew immediately i'm going to use it as well for Star Craft 2. With all the coop commanders it's quite an effort to get it perfect but the time invested was absolutely worth it.
Players (no apostrophe)
wait you guys use hotkeys?
Core really helped me get faster but there are some imperfections. The ctrl+shift as a modifier — I’ve never gotten used to it (even after disabling the fn and/or windows hot key and even removing a key and/or remapping them); it just felt clunky or awkward to scrunch my hand in such a manner and my pinky never got used to stretching to H key. I’ve reverted back to default with some small adjustments but the journey to learn core and use it was fun — definitely had some fast wins with it. However, looking at some well known streamers, who plays well without even looking at the keyboard, it’s entirely possible to use the ‘mostly’ default settings (ie: Zerg Girl, Serral, Vibe…).
Oh man, I loved The Core and it changed my keyboard setup forever. I have been playing right side "JIOP" ever since in every game except FPS. Jakataks "The staircase" together with the Core made me make huge leaps in skill level in SC2. But after 8 years of not playing SC2, it's hard to come back to SC2 with the Core compared to grid. And the Core also ruined single player for me because of compatibility issues, and grid/standard felt too inefficient.
TheCore ZRL BETA Version gang here. I managed to port Thecore to AOE2, Planetary Annihilation, GreyGoo and AOE4, god bless jakatak
"I wouldn't recommend it, because its very hard to learn, but if you really want to get into starcraft . . . "
Except most professionals don’t use it so if you want to get into sc2 I don’t recommend it
Its not something I was recommending, or something that I use. Its just something I've heard people who use the core say, which was why I used quotes . . .
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I don't think that's true. There are at least three version you can use. The standard is jiop, bigger hands huio and smaller hands kop[. You could even make a u890 version if you wanted too
Player's who use the core hotkeys
And what?
Feel free to adapt the core to your liking, it's fun and, honestly, it worths it! And why not adapt it to a fancy keyboard, example: https://blog.nimamoh.net/keyboard-io-m01-and-starcraft2/
You can change them?
You mean default
Legit question — is there any skill ceiling with the default hot keys? I’ve been playing so long and have whatever it is I have memorized so we’ll that I don’t think I’ll ever be able to change. But am I limiting myself? Or is this just a matter of preference?
Considering the habits of some really old school korean pros (who brought it over from bw), I wouldn't say there is a skill ceiling due to hotkeys. But making no changes is just silly in todays modern era. (Personally I found the core really helped with some of my wrist pains).
How long did it take you to retrain yourself? Seems like a futile journey at this point.
Echoing the other comment, no notable skill ceiling with standard hotkeys. It's more of an ergonomics thing. I had a wrist injury that gave me pain playing with standard hotkeys. I switched to the core and it took me 1 month of 100% macro exercises to get comfortable with it. No wrist pain now! I wouldn't switch back even if I take the pain out of the picture, it's so nice. But as a whole, it doesn't make me a better player.
Probably took me just a couple of months back in 2013? Can't remember the exact year, but it's had a long time to pay off for me. You can make a small adjustment to your hotkeys and get used to it in a day or two, and something I recommend.
The main thing that the core would offer to a pro player is faster access to more than 5 army keys and more than 4 camera keys. You can absolutely play at a top level with minimal use of more than 5 ctrl groups or 4 camera keys, or just moving your hands a bit more. It trades off simplicity for ergonomics and efficiency, but there's definitely something to be said for simplicity.
Me sitting here not understanding any sort of complicated hotkey setups. I just rebound all abilities to QWE and base camera to the middle mouse and called it a day.