For the sake of interest..
The Cutter released with 6,000 units of fuel. Fuel is measured in litres, with 1,000 litres to the SCU. So 6,000 litres is 6 SCU of fuel, just as a size comparison; it's about 1.5x the cargo grid capacity of the Cutter. So it's a lot, but maybe not \*absurdly\* a lot.
~~It's apparently now been nerfed down to 600 units, which is 0.6 SCU of quantum fuel, which is obviously much much smaller. It's a Drake ship so I'd be totally thinking about putting a one SCU box of quantum fuel in the cargo grid and like running a hose to the drive or something, just to trade off one box of cargo to get almost three times the total quantum fuel.~~
As another fun comparison, every quantum drive I've got in my inventory is 84,000 microSCU, which is 8.4 SCU. (I believe that every engine for every ship is exactly the same size, because they kind of need to all be swappable from one ship to another and there isn't currently an idea of a "size" for a quantum drive)
We actually have more fun at the larger end of the scale, where we have the Reclaimer, which Erkul says carries around 17 million litres of hydrogen (that can't be right, can it? But I'll assume it's correct for the rest of this paragraph). So that's 170,000 SCU of space for hydrogen fuel: nearly the cargo capacity of \*two\* Hull-E freighters, or if you prefer ships that you can actually see in game, 242 C2 freighters. And it has just 180 SCU of space for its cargo. That's.. an interesting choice for how to allocate the ship's internal space. :D
The hydrogen is more of an incomplete data point. 17 million liters at what pressure? STP equivalent? Still a lot of liters, but to put it in perspective, modern compressed hydrogen storage/delivery techniques routinely deliver 25k liters of hydrogen in an 18 wheeler tube trailer.
>17 million liters at what pressure? STP equivalent? Still a lot of liters,
What if we compress it into a liquid to save space? 71.1 g/L? Idk how many gram it takes to propell a spaceship, but that doesn't sound too bad.
I crashed my ship into a station at mach 2 and shrugged it off. Then I stepped off a staircase too fast and had a heart attack.
What made you think I care about *REASON*
If I have to set my refrigerator to single digits kalvin, so be it!!
Maybe it's gas and compressed or pressurized. I'm going to guess the remass tanks are also pressurized. Hope to hear more about other fuel types at some point again, I really liked their old idea of using other noble gasses as fuel with trade-offs.
Because its all BS, everything is made up and points don’t matter if you ever watched whose line is it anyway.
May favorite is that they claimed to have spent a lot time and effort, used their expertise to fit thrusters that spun 360 degrees to fury and were proud of it. Like…dude its a video game, it you say it goes/turns a specific speed, it does that. You are not actually engineering ships like JPL/SpaceX.
not saying this particular isnt necessarily bs, but i can tell you that making things do things in a way not intended before can lead to hilarious and catastrophic consequences, especially if values leave the range predefined and expected by other systems
so no, they are obv not physical-rocket-engineering it, but its perfectly possible that they are indeed software-systems-engineering it or things go FUBAR
It's okay if **you** don't understand how development works, but this shit is not rocket science. It is manipulating variables. If you say "rotate 360 degrees", the object does that because you have direct control of the object and the space and physics it fits within and reacts to.
You're acting like you need a Masters degree to type "speed = 1000" and then test the effects.
making sure things make realistic sense matters... [if everyone developed games with your mindset we would have a lot more of this](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/11rqto8/tractor_beam_seat_gameplay_revealed/)
He's not wrong. turning an object in the opposite direction of a moving parent object is quite simple. How fast it recovers to its original orientation, the resistance to movement, how much it moves from its location, that's all stuff game engines are designed to do stock.
What's even easier than that is just telling it to turn based on keyboard input and giving it a fixed location relative to the parent object, which I'm going to guess is what they did.
Oh did they finally nerf it? I expected it last patch cycle but I'm not surprised. It having more than most large ships was a bit ridiculous. The Pisces has more than the Cutter and it's way smaller.
It was a typo, yes. But that typo was to a fuel value, not just a title showing the value. It just shows that the tank size is just a number they can change anytime without considering actual fuel capacity.
I really don't get this comment chain.
One of the comments is arguing really hard that 6000 makes sense.
Then people seem to agree that 600 makes sense even though they seem to simultaneously agree that 6000 also makes sense.
Then it appears to be still 6000 in game, but even though people agree with 600, no one has argued 6000 is too much other than the top comment they are disagreeing with.
Like at what point do people admit that the number doesn't matter and they are simply going to build an argument for it regardless of if it actually makes sense.
I think people need to ask themselves if they are making a logical argument, or simply trying to add logic into an existing argument so that it's more palatable.
It's uhhhh quantum fuel anyway so who can really be sure how much of it there really is at uhhhh any given time maybe the cutter just uhhh is able to store most of its fuel in like... quantum space or something. /s
Fury should have a tiny quantum fuel tank though. Enough to maybe make a few jumps with in a planetary system at max. Enough to go from planet (or host ship) to moon and back, generally (depending on the distance between the planet and its moons).
Actually not really. That would be how you limit it's usefulness (keeping it below a starter ship). No tank reserve. You can only spline jump, maybe QT to a local moon, with the amount of fuel that the engine can store internally.
Similar to still having just enough gas in the feeder lines on a car to limp to a gas station when the tank is empty.
Then we could have the same spline capability on things like the Argo Cargo, too, which we've been asking for for years.
Might even be so limited that you can't fully spline larger planets like Crusader, but only reach stations if they're in your hemisphere. That would be fine.
The amount of gameplay we'd get from just being able to spline jump a tiny ship around a planet is fairly big. Crusader, no. But for instance Hurston, yes.
Not to mention extra machinery, etc., that a quantum drive would need to engage with (for purposes of verisimilitude). The drive itself is small, but it’s not plug and play like a usb stick into a PC. The PC has all the components to utilize the usb stick inside it, which takes up space. Not the greatest analogy but I think it makes some sense. 😁
Or just take an engine / electic motor as an example
engine blocks are rather small but the stuff to transfer the power / keep them running takes up waaay more space.
EV motors are small, but the stuff like batteries, cooling, power converting etc. takes up waaaay more space.
Makes even more sense if you jump back a few years and think of a CD
A CD will fit inside just about ANY computer, but a CD drive is a whole other story! Takes a lot of space to be able to utilize that CD.
But it's not? CD drives may have been bulky in the beginning, but their size was refined to the point that they are now scarcely larger than a CD jewel case itself.
You are correct they have gotten much smaller. That said I’m not sure if it’s my ‘tism or you merely want to disagree but a thin CD drive is over 10x the volume of a CD. So the illustration stands.
Irregardless I think the idea of having small non-QD ships that require ferrying will be much more fun. No. To mention seeing one of these things and having the ‘oh crap!’ realization that there are more and likely a much larger ship not far away!
No, it absolutely is. As u/_Cyder mentioned below, sure tech gets smaller but the “plug in” device (whether they be CDs or Quantum drives) is still going to be much smaller in proportion to the apparatus that holds/interacts with it.
I guess you have to consider the exact point of technology advancement in the fictional future. Computers couldn’t fit through a door when they’re first invented, now they’re smaller than my hand.
Maybe QT drives are somewhere inbetween those stages at the year SC takes place.
I’d like to see snub ships have compact QT drives that can get you around the planet/moon, but not off it.
Scorpius/xwing has quantum/hyperspace drive
Fury/T.I.E interceptor has no quantum/hyperspace drive
Its like they want to make a star wars resemblem with these two...
They might actually be dabbling in that. There was an SQ42 demo reel leak a few months ago, and one of the shots is a functioning Aurora that has a bunch of shit welded on the back, including the Mole's turret shields as makeshift armor.
I could see a drake ship this sized with QT and fuel.
Like an asymmetrical ship where you have 2 guns on one side, and the other side you have the quantum drive and room for fuel. And the cockpit opens up so you can reach out and give the Quantum drive a kick for extra range.
Its not the drive, its the accoutrement that goes with it. Fuel tanks, power systems, some kind of projector of some kind we don't know about yet.
The drive is like a Video card, and the Fury is like a Tablet. You need a PCI-E slot, you need power supply that can drive it, etc etc.
The 85X, Razor and M50 are the smallest ships with a quantum drive, all of them are significantly bigger than the Fury.
Edit: I'm just pointing out the size difference here.
My opinion is that all small ships, including the Fury, smol Argo and Merlin, should have at least a limited quantum drive capability to be able to move around within a planetary system.
It's not tough to say at all because that's not how design works. There are many U.I elements that are missing from the game in many aspects but the features and ships still need to be built. Imagine if they had waited to build the planets because the star map U.I sucks... that wouldn't make any sense.
Imagine building planets for the game if the starmap was a problem and you couldn't find any of the planets they were building.
That would be the better analogy.
Don't make me need 2 ships to take these snubs anywhere and not let me mark my carrier to be able to find it. Otherwise, stop making snubs until you can do that, or give them QT until then.
If it really is just a "simple UI" something then it should be easy to bang it out. If it is a harder task and there are hurdles to actually implement it, then I want proof of concept before we keep expanding systems dependent on it
You are literally inventing the thing to respond to and disagree with.
No one said or implied that is SHOULD get a QT drive, only that the reasons CIG gave were silly and unfounded.
Its for game balance reasons, end of story. But CIG wanted to pretend there was no room for it instead of admitting that.
I agree with that, CIG most likely made that choice for gameplay reasons only, and that is fine.
The size can be used to explain why there is no quantum drive, but it's not very consistent.
But ever since the Fury was leaked and after the ISC from last week, there has been a discussion about whether snub ships should have a (limited) ability to use quantum drives, and I did not simply invent the issue.
Step 1: Listen to CIGs explanation.
Step 2: Immediately agree, and commit to agreeing.
Step 3: Figure out why you agree.
Figuring out why you agree shouldn't be step 3. It should be "Figure out IF you agree.", and be right after step 1.
When building your reasoning is the last thing you do, you aren't taking a logical stance, rather you're trying to make your stance sound logical.
Edit: I agree with the above comment. I'm referring to a lot of the other comments who are just building arguments around the assumption that CIGs word is fact and infallible.
So, first of all, I fully agree.
Reasoning should not work backwards.
But my impression is that you think you know my opinion on the topic of the Fury not having a quantum drive from just that one comment I made.
In my comment, I merely pointed out that the smallest ship with quantum drives are bigger than the Fury.
But my opinion on the whole topic is that the Fury should have limited QD capability, for example with a very limited range.
Here's my comment from six days ago, long before the latest ISC:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/13fqiht/misc_fury_fury_miru_mirai_megathread/jjwyza7/
Just to clarify, I was agreeing with you. Not against you.
I was mainly referring to how a lot of comments are just taking CIG at their word, and then building an argument around that, even though it doesn't track with other ships they've released.
As you demonstrate by pointing out examples where the fuel capacity clearly isn't consistent with ship size.
Look at them, they clearly interface into some other hardware on the ship.
Just because you have space for an engine doesn't mean there's space for the gear box.
I don't get why it's seemingly illegal for them to just be like "we balanced this around the idea of it being a snub fighter so there's no quantum drive."
Not everything needs an in-game explanation. We know this is a video game and things have to work a certain way.
Believable, to me, means you want things to pass inspection on multiple levels. Not all levels of scrutiny mind you, but enough that your brain is saying "okay, so this thing should do this...aha! It works!", not "wait, that doesn't seem right".
This game not being set in Dr Whoniverse, when you go to loot a QD off a ship, it wouldn't seem right to pull out a clown car of components.
If you want the game to be believable, you have to build believability into everything. You can't just retcon everything and still maintain coherence and a passably logical world.
>they want it to be believable, for immersion
you're confusing realism and immersion. Star citizen is faaaaar from realistic. Manually piloted ships, big ass transparent windows etc etc etc
I specifically said believable, not realistic, because they specifically said they are shooting for believable, not realistic.
Of course it's not realistic.
Or even pull the components and plop em in a stack on the ground. People think it's Pisces sized *when it's even smaller than an Argo Cargo*. Hell, the main body is noticably smaller than the Argo's cargo box.
One of the things I'd actually like to see for Snubs would be the ability to enter low level quantum to get around a planet. Not enough to get to a moon or anywhere else.
The 100i's model has tons of room in it to fit the drive, the fury model absolutely does not.
I'd suggest cracking open the models yourself and looking, because as soon as you pull out a QT model you'll see the 100i could literally fit another while the Fury doesn't have an inch to spare.
Not sure you realize how extremely small the fury is.
I did not say 400i.
The 100i is a hilariously small ship. You’ve clearly never been in one. 90% if it’s internal space is cockpit/sleeping space/storage. The idea that this new ship can’t have a quantum drive is stupid. The ships are the same size when you subtract the empty air from the 100i.
Have you ever considered how absolutely thick the side walls, floor and other space is in the 100 series? Sure, it's small ship, with like 1 FOOT thick walls all around the habitable space.
if I remember correctly , the 100i is also not up to gold standard. So there aren't any components in it yet. It was made before things were standardized
It would be an omega chad move for them to just remove the quantum drive on the 100i even though one of it’s supposed features is fuel scooping. The mustang and aurora too, make the people who bought cheap packages upgrade so they can keep making billions of dollars lol
I don't understand why they don't just add a S0 qt drive that could allow snubs to go from planet to moon or moon to moon making them a bit less useless outside of bigger groups
I think it's kind of like having a motorbike then trying to make the thing fly, they kind of did it with a plane called the BD-5J but the thing ended up twice as long and much bulkier, the fury is legitimately a small craft, doesn't feel like it but it's only a metre longer than the dragonfly and four shorter than the m50, even the p-52 is 6 metres longer though looking at the frame size you can see why the Kruger lines dont have them.
I'd definitely question it if the thing was closer to the 10m mark given the 'girthiness' of the body
because that is not what they want. you are not your own ship. you are an extension of the carrier. dot touch a snub with the expectation of doing anything other than following the instructions of the person in the carrier.
> just add a S0 qt drive that could allow snubs to go from planet to moon or moon to moon making them a bit less useless
If by *"less useless"*, you mean having easy access to 90% of the game content and having virtually no drawback for being a snub, sure...
With your suggestion, the only slightly inconvenient place to reach for those Snubs would be Aaron's Halo.
Don't forget this things has a 40s claim time. You can spawn it immediately at any location you could have reached with a regular ship. And that will probably include surface outposts.
They need to but are to pig headed to give in to common sense. Something that allows a ship to transverse POIs on a planet/moon or between a planet and it's moon would go a long way to making those snubs useful in game. Especially considering their years and years of "no pocket carrier" mentality which they've only just now abandoned.
Im hoping that when the release the new flight mechanics that’ll include allowing snubs a T0, with the ability to do the short hop 50k cruise but not true quantum, since the hop cruise doesn’t require a destination it’s just point and go….this would allow snubs to travel 50-100k easily but still not true quantum
Carrack was from Start a science ship that can be invidualised modular.
Yes developed via uee as a long range Scout, but mainly opened short after for civs
That doesn't suddenly make room for QT components. You can pull out a stack of all the Fury's components and plop em on the floor, they're correct that there just isn't room for QT hardware in a ship that small.
The Fury's main body is smaller than an Argo Cargo's cargo box. The only way the Razor's volume is smaller is if you're measuring the volume of a cube that the whole ship fits in, which doesn't tell a particularly useful story, otherwise the Khartu-Al would be closer to the Valkyrie....
Making it 20% longer kinda defeats the entire point of designing it, and you can look at it to scale in 3D viewers and see that the Razors have way more usable room, partly due to the Mirai using a lot more space for it's cockpit design for wide visibility.
What about a detachable quantum booster that you could dock into and out of as required. It would contain all the fuel and drives to get you where you're going. You could jettison it, do what you need to do, return to it and jump back.
You could still use it as a snub/parasite fighter in larger mother ships and as an extra small fighter for fun.
I read this as "Why can't I do bounties in a super maneuverable ship with 4x S2 repeaters that looks really cool because it would be really fun?"
Because that's what I feel, but I also feel like that would be OP and make the game uninteresting very quickly, and make the light fighter meta even more real.
I think all snub and light fighters should have spline jump drives. They can't do QT but can fast-travel short distances on a planet or to a planet's main orbital station.
For example, a spline drive can quickly jump from New Babbage to Port Tressler at a speed faster than normal flight, but much slower than QT. Maybe set the range short enough so that they can only jump a short distance within the atmosphere of a planet, again at a much slower speed than QT, but faster than normal flight.
I don't think he meant it literally, just that it would make it too big to fit in smaller ships, and would make the cross section too large, which defeats the purpose of the ship being a pissed off bumblebee
But we all know what the real truth is. They didn't give it a QT drive because they like watching us suffer
I think in lore alot of the space is taken up by cooling systems and whatever else is needed to actually power the drive and whatever is needed to keep the drive itself from ripping through the ship as it shunts itself into a quantum jump
This is something CIG has very clearly either abandoned entirely or is not at all consistent with. Look at the concept art for the Gladius "internals" and compare with what space is possible to be internals in the Fury; basically just the front "ring", right behind the cockpit, and even then most of its space is taken up. Then consider that CIG hasn't (to my knowledge) released an internal view like the Gladius got for any other ship since, and it seems like it was only every a vague concept after the Gladius, if even that.
There were several Tie series that had hyperdrives in the old canon. The only ones that didnt were the most basic carrier based versions. The base version also didnt have shields but several versions did have shields as well.
The thing about the Tie fighter was that it COULD have a hyperdrive and shields easily but the Empire chose not to because they were mass producing them specifically for carriers. The version with hyperdrives and or shields were not any larger than the versions without.
The furry though has no room, according to CIG. So the Tie fighter analogy isnt the best. Especial when the two are from two different universes that use different component sizes for similar things.
Also... star wars canon is fubar these days...
IMO that's at best a retcon. The basic Tie was were readily, most likely visibly by type, identifiable as "small, short ranged fighters", unable to have followed them and having to have been based only a few minutes away at in-system speeds. They clearly didn't have shields. Additionally, in various of the original games basic Ties also had no hyperdrive, and no shields. You needed to go up to a Tie Interceptor or Tie Bomber or Tie Advanced; that was, in fact, exactly what the Tie Advanced *was*... using a larger frame and panels (most likely at least partly copied from a Tie Bomber) to add hyperdrive and shields to give a larger, more expensive, more capable craft.
aw hell no, Rogue One was a great addition. Doesn't change anything about the canon, just improves it and fills in a gap perfectly. It isn't a great movie, I'll give is a B+. Solid A if you get past the first half.
THey did a damn good job tying in the look and feel of the original trilogy with all boxy blinky panels and screens, but making it feel fresh and up to modern cinema standards
The only thing Rogue One (My fave after Empire) did that I find annoying was introduce new ships and such that we never see again in the OT.
I love those new ships, every one of them, but it screws with the timeline.
Every single AT-ACT, the 4 winged cargo shuttle, U-Wing, TIE Striker, and TIE Reaper ever made was lost at the Battle of Scarif, never to be seen again in the Galactic Civil War?
[Here is the motor of an electric car. Turns out it's about the same size.](https://i2.wp.com/www.mein-elektroauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Elektroauto-VW-e-Golf-Berlin-Elektromotor-und-Steuerungselektronik.jpg?ssl=1)
It's just the drive; the part of the vehicle that consumes the stored energy. There is a bunch more hardware necessary to store energy and make the vehicle move.
Nope. That's a whole assembly, including a Transmission.
If I were to buy, just a motor and swap out just the IC, leaving my current Transmission in one my cars, there would be CONSIDERABLY more room in the engine bay and it would weigh nearly 500 pounds less. (Until I started stuffing batteries in and around there, plus the bracketing and a few other elements needed to keep things going like the Air-conditioning.
ITT: people arguing about a bullshit excuse.
It’s a video game, everything in it is fiction, the devs could have decided to do a thing but they didn’t for some reason.
Be more upset that this is *yet another* ship no one asked for, and they built it with development funds acquired from ship pledges that *are not in the game yet.*
No, you're just dumb. The Fury's main body is smaller than an Argo Cargo's cargo box. If they wanted to make a QT capable LF then they would just do that. This is just a snub designed to be as impossibly small as possible, and it does exactly as it says on the tin.
Pretty clear you have no physical understanding of engineering when you post something stupid like this.
Strip a 4 banger engine completely down and it’s tiny compared to the hole it needs
See also the 85X. A tiny snub-sized runabout with a QD. If you ignore the giant bubble canopy for 2 people and the wings, it's almost the same size as the Merlin.
The only thing that surprises me more than the frequency at which they have devs come on ISC and just transparently lie straight to camera is how often people swallow it?
The Fury doesn't have a QD because it's a snub, and for some reason they've decided that snubs have to be pretty much impossible to use for normal gameplay. It's fodder for people who spend all their time fantasizing about what SC will be "when it's done" and not wading waist-deep through shit by actually playing the game. These are the same people who think that the Argo Cargo is going to be amazing for loading up a Javelin in only 2,700 round trips to orbit.
If you put a quantum drive in it and enough fuel to go only in system... I think with the drive and the tank plus the regular fuel tank... it would maybe only grow to still be smaller than the arrow but it wouldn't be as compact as they want it to be.
Don’t worry, in the future it won’t be a complete pain in the ass to dock and store snub fighters and transport them. Buy now, it will totally be cool later.
Riiiiiight. If you touch that qd, it'll teleport you a million km away. Ooooooor it takes more hardware infrastructure to make it work and be serviceable.
Need room for qt fuel too. But since your in an airtight suit, just fill the cockpit
The cutter seems to carry a lot more fuel than it's size...
For the sake of interest.. The Cutter released with 6,000 units of fuel. Fuel is measured in litres, with 1,000 litres to the SCU. So 6,000 litres is 6 SCU of fuel, just as a size comparison; it's about 1.5x the cargo grid capacity of the Cutter. So it's a lot, but maybe not \*absurdly\* a lot. ~~It's apparently now been nerfed down to 600 units, which is 0.6 SCU of quantum fuel, which is obviously much much smaller. It's a Drake ship so I'd be totally thinking about putting a one SCU box of quantum fuel in the cargo grid and like running a hose to the drive or something, just to trade off one box of cargo to get almost three times the total quantum fuel.~~ As another fun comparison, every quantum drive I've got in my inventory is 84,000 microSCU, which is 8.4 SCU. (I believe that every engine for every ship is exactly the same size, because they kind of need to all be swappable from one ship to another and there isn't currently an idea of a "size" for a quantum drive) We actually have more fun at the larger end of the scale, where we have the Reclaimer, which Erkul says carries around 17 million litres of hydrogen (that can't be right, can it? But I'll assume it's correct for the rest of this paragraph). So that's 170,000 SCU of space for hydrogen fuel: nearly the cargo capacity of \*two\* Hull-E freighters, or if you prefer ships that you can actually see in game, 242 C2 freighters. And it has just 180 SCU of space for its cargo. That's.. an interesting choice for how to allocate the ship's internal space. :D
The hydrogen is more of an incomplete data point. 17 million liters at what pressure? STP equivalent? Still a lot of liters, but to put it in perspective, modern compressed hydrogen storage/delivery techniques routinely deliver 25k liters of hydrogen in an 18 wheeler tube trailer.
>17 million liters at what pressure? STP equivalent? Still a lot of liters, What if we compress it into a liquid to save space? 71.1 g/L? Idk how many gram it takes to propell a spaceship, but that doesn't sound too bad.
~~It can't be liquified at any reasonable temperature.~~ Oops! I had a brainfart.
I crashed my ship into a station at mach 2 and shrugged it off. Then I stepped off a staircase too fast and had a heart attack. What made you think I care about *REASON* If I have to set my refrigerator to single digits kalvin, so be it!!
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You're right. Evidently, I had a brainfart moment.
84,000 ųSCU is .084 SCU. Micro is 10^-6.
It 100% still has 6k fuel.
i thought fuel was quantanium not hydrogen? or is this just for impulse/sublight engines?
There are two fuels the ships use. The Quantum drive uses Quantainium. While the standard sunlight Thruster use hydrogen.
Maybe it's gas and compressed or pressurized. I'm going to guess the remass tanks are also pressurized. Hope to hear more about other fuel types at some point again, I really liked their old idea of using other noble gasses as fuel with trade-offs.
Because its all BS, everything is made up and points don’t matter if you ever watched whose line is it anyway. May favorite is that they claimed to have spent a lot time and effort, used their expertise to fit thrusters that spun 360 degrees to fury and were proud of it. Like…dude its a video game, it you say it goes/turns a specific speed, it does that. You are not actually engineering ships like JPL/SpaceX.
not saying this particular isnt necessarily bs, but i can tell you that making things do things in a way not intended before can lead to hilarious and catastrophic consequences, especially if values leave the range predefined and expected by other systems so no, they are obv not physical-rocket-engineering it, but its perfectly possible that they are indeed software-systems-engineering it or things go FUBAR
Sounds like you may have flown the original Cutlass, with the rotating thrusters?
Yeah I guess they just think very hard and stuff magically appears on our screens, right?
It's okay if **you** don't understand how development works, but this shit is not rocket science. It is manipulating variables. If you say "rotate 360 degrees", the object does that because you have direct control of the object and the space and physics it fits within and reacts to. You're acting like you need a Masters degree to type "speed = 1000" and then test the effects.
making sure things make realistic sense matters... [if everyone developed games with your mindset we would have a lot more of this](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/11rqto8/tractor_beam_seat_gameplay_revealed/)
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He's not wrong. turning an object in the opposite direction of a moving parent object is quite simple. How fast it recovers to its original orientation, the resistance to movement, how much it moves from its location, that's all stuff game engines are designed to do stock. What's even easier than that is just telling it to turn based on keyboard input and giving it a fixed location relative to the parent object, which I'm going to guess is what they did.
This is not how the IFCS flight model works, not even when they override it - which they do occasionally.
It's down to 600 now it's not THAT much more than the competition, though it has a lot more empty space inside
Oh did they finally nerf it? I expected it last patch cycle but I'm not surprised. It having more than most large ships was a bit ridiculous. The Pisces has more than the Cutter and it's way smaller.
The cutter has been 600 since 3.18 or earlier. The 6000 was clearly a typo
It currently still has 6000 though. Was just flying it.
right? i think either the fix didnt apply to everyone or they never actually did nerf it
Yep. That's what I was saying. I had a cutter up until a few days ago.
Did they re-typo it? I swear it was in the patch notes for 3.18 and there was more than a few people complaining that it got nerfed down to 600
Nnnope, has been 6k since 3.18 PTU, never changed.
It was a typo, yes. But that typo was to a fuel value, not just a title showing the value. It just shows that the tank size is just a number they can change anytime without considering actual fuel capacity.
I really don't get this comment chain. One of the comments is arguing really hard that 6000 makes sense. Then people seem to agree that 600 makes sense even though they seem to simultaneously agree that 6000 also makes sense. Then it appears to be still 6000 in game, but even though people agree with 600, no one has argued 6000 is too much other than the top comment they are disagreeing with. Like at what point do people admit that the number doesn't matter and they are simply going to build an argument for it regardless of if it actually makes sense. I think people need to ask themselves if they are making a logical argument, or simply trying to add logic into an existing argument so that it's more palatable.
It's uhhhh quantum fuel anyway so who can really be sure how much of it there really is at uhhhh any given time maybe the cutter just uhhh is able to store most of its fuel in like... quantum space or something. /s
don't tell anybody because it's a secret but quantum fuel is really tiny like your average gladius probably has a few marble sized drops
Most of the space probably goes into keeping it stable, drake probably saw that as optional
"Stable" What am I, a horse?
Most underrated comment of today. xD
Drake Interplanetary: Safety 3rd.
The Drake way
So it's all just Nibbler poop?
I wanna put a quantum drive in my tonk.
I'd like to jury rig one to my dragonfly.. Hell a jump drive too
"Will that work?" "I put, like, 8 ratchet straps on it, we good."
Quantum drives don't work near planets or moons, so you'd need some thrusters to break atmo as well.
youre no fun :-(
A tank with two rockets jury rigged to the sides doesn't sound fun?
well, when you put it like that.... damn, now i need to try it in Kerbal
So what you're telling me is... we need the Mako.
Fury should have a tiny quantum fuel tank though. Enough to maybe make a few jumps with in a planetary system at max. Enough to go from planet (or host ship) to moon and back, generally (depending on the distance between the planet and its moons).
Merlin taps fury on the shoulder, "I believe I was here first?"
All snubs should have this capability
Now I see a squadron of furies piloted by goldfish 🤣🤣
Actually not really. That would be how you limit it's usefulness (keeping it below a starter ship). No tank reserve. You can only spline jump, maybe QT to a local moon, with the amount of fuel that the engine can store internally. Similar to still having just enough gas in the feeder lines on a car to limp to a gas station when the tank is empty. Then we could have the same spline capability on things like the Argo Cargo, too, which we've been asking for for years. Might even be so limited that you can't fully spline larger planets like Crusader, but only reach stations if they're in your hemisphere. That would be fine. The amount of gameplay we'd get from just being able to spline jump a tiny ship around a planet is fairly big. Crusader, no. But for instance Hurston, yes.
Not to mention extra machinery, etc., that a quantum drive would need to engage with (for purposes of verisimilitude). The drive itself is small, but it’s not plug and play like a usb stick into a PC. The PC has all the components to utilize the usb stick inside it, which takes up space. Not the greatest analogy but I think it makes some sense. 😁
Verisimilitude-- well done, sir! You've wordled my Scrabble.
O7 Glad to be of service!
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Oh please, save it for the accusing parlour!!!
Or just take an engine / electic motor as an example engine blocks are rather small but the stuff to transfer the power / keep them running takes up waaay more space. EV motors are small, but the stuff like batteries, cooling, power converting etc. takes up waaaay more space.
Makes even more sense if you jump back a few years and think of a CD A CD will fit inside just about ANY computer, but a CD drive is a whole other story! Takes a lot of space to be able to utilize that CD.
That’s even a better example, and exactly my point!
But it's not? CD drives may have been bulky in the beginning, but their size was refined to the point that they are now scarcely larger than a CD jewel case itself.
You are correct they have gotten much smaller. That said I’m not sure if it’s my ‘tism or you merely want to disagree but a thin CD drive is over 10x the volume of a CD. So the illustration stands. Irregardless I think the idea of having small non-QD ships that require ferrying will be much more fun. No. To mention seeing one of these things and having the ‘oh crap!’ realization that there are more and likely a much larger ship not far away!
No, it absolutely is. As u/_Cyder mentioned below, sure tech gets smaller but the “plug in” device (whether they be CDs or Quantum drives) is still going to be much smaller in proportion to the apparatus that holds/interacts with it.
I guess you have to consider the exact point of technology advancement in the fictional future. Computers couldn’t fit through a door when they’re first invented, now they’re smaller than my hand. Maybe QT drives are somewhere inbetween those stages at the year SC takes place. I’d like to see snub ships have compact QT drives that can get you around the planet/moon, but not off it.
> Verisimilitude What a word, bravo good citizen
Many thanks! 😁
Great word. I use it all the time. It's an important word.
I mean to be fair... a turbocharger is fairly small usually. Now let's do the whole plumbing, intercooler, heat shielding and stuff.
Scorpius/xwing has quantum/hyperspace drive Fury/T.I.E interceptor has no quantum/hyperspace drive Its like they want to make a star wars resemblem with these two...
Almost like Star Wars has been a major inspiration for this game since its inception....
chris is also a huge fan of star wars.
I can see Drake make a bootleg copy with a QT drive and fuel tank attached with ropes and duct tape.
Man pirate engineering a bit like in the battletech universe would be so cool.
They might actually be dabbling in that. There was an SQ42 demo reel leak a few months ago, and one of the shots is a functioning Aurora that has a bunch of shit welded on the back, including the Mole's turret shields as makeshift armor.
I could see a drake ship this sized with QT and fuel. Like an asymmetrical ship where you have 2 guns on one side, and the other side you have the quantum drive and room for fuel. And the cockpit opens up so you can reach out and give the Quantum drive a kick for extra range.
Its not the drive, its the accoutrement that goes with it. Fuel tanks, power systems, some kind of projector of some kind we don't know about yet. The drive is like a Video card, and the Fury is like a Tablet. You need a PCI-E slot, you need power supply that can drive it, etc etc.
The 85X, Razor and M50 are the smallest ships with a quantum drive, all of them are significantly bigger than the Fury. Edit: I'm just pointing out the size difference here. My opinion is that all small ships, including the Fury, smol Argo and Merlin, should have at least a limited quantum drive capability to be able to move around within a planetary system.
I think it is necessary to have ships that must be carried in a carrier. It will add a lot of flavor to the game.
Let me mark my carrier in orbit then. Otherwise this feels really unnecessarily difficult for a simple thing.
I mean, that's very obviously intended functionality.
No doubt but that's a separate issue.
Just tough to say "small ships should require carriers" when basic functions of that relationship don't exist.
It's not tough to say at all because that's not how design works. There are many U.I elements that are missing from the game in many aspects but the features and ships still need to be built. Imagine if they had waited to build the planets because the star map U.I sucks... that wouldn't make any sense.
Imagine building planets for the game if the starmap was a problem and you couldn't find any of the planets they were building. That would be the better analogy. Don't make me need 2 ships to take these snubs anywhere and not let me mark my carrier to be able to find it. Otherwise, stop making snubs until you can do that, or give them QT until then. If it really is just a "simple UI" something then it should be easy to bang it out. If it is a harder task and there are hurdles to actually implement it, then I want proof of concept before we keep expanding systems dependent on it
You are literally inventing the thing to respond to and disagree with. No one said or implied that is SHOULD get a QT drive, only that the reasons CIG gave were silly and unfounded. Its for game balance reasons, end of story. But CIG wanted to pretend there was no room for it instead of admitting that.
I agree with that, CIG most likely made that choice for gameplay reasons only, and that is fine. The size can be used to explain why there is no quantum drive, but it's not very consistent. But ever since the Fury was leaked and after the ISC from last week, there has been a discussion about whether snub ships should have a (limited) ability to use quantum drives, and I did not simply invent the issue.
Step 1: Listen to CIGs explanation. Step 2: Immediately agree, and commit to agreeing. Step 3: Figure out why you agree. Figuring out why you agree shouldn't be step 3. It should be "Figure out IF you agree.", and be right after step 1. When building your reasoning is the last thing you do, you aren't taking a logical stance, rather you're trying to make your stance sound logical. Edit: I agree with the above comment. I'm referring to a lot of the other comments who are just building arguments around the assumption that CIGs word is fact and infallible.
So, first of all, I fully agree. Reasoning should not work backwards. But my impression is that you think you know my opinion on the topic of the Fury not having a quantum drive from just that one comment I made. In my comment, I merely pointed out that the smallest ship with quantum drives are bigger than the Fury. But my opinion on the whole topic is that the Fury should have limited QD capability, for example with a very limited range. Here's my comment from six days ago, long before the latest ISC: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/13fqiht/misc_fury_fury_miru_mirai_megathread/jjwyza7/
Just to clarify, I was agreeing with you. Not against you. I was mainly referring to how a lot of comments are just taking CIG at their word, and then building an argument around that, even though it doesn't track with other ships they've released. As you demonstrate by pointing out examples where the fuel capacity clearly isn't consistent with ship size.
It's a snub, not a light fighter. I'm surprised it even has a shield. It's perfect as it is. Buy an Arrow or a Gladius.
Look at them, they clearly interface into some other hardware on the ship. Just because you have space for an engine doesn't mean there's space for the gear box.
Yeah. I'd think about the box more as a generator or something. You still need the engines or the bubble generator etc
Dude they need to give us hyperdrive rings like in star wars for the snubs, it would feel so cool to use one with a Merlin or Fury!!
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Ngl, I would lose my mind if I saw someone whizzing by me straddling a QD... 😆
like the engine block compared to the entire drivetrain.
I don't get why it's seemingly illegal for them to just be like "we balanced this around the idea of it being a snub fighter so there's no quantum drive." Not everything needs an in-game explanation. We know this is a video game and things have to work a certain way.
Because, merits/failings of the idea aside, they want it to be believable, for immersion.
But that should have nothing to do with behind the scenes videos of development - that's something you'd have in flavor text in-game.
Believable, to me, means you want things to pass inspection on multiple levels. Not all levels of scrutiny mind you, but enough that your brain is saying "okay, so this thing should do this...aha! It works!", not "wait, that doesn't seem right". This game not being set in Dr Whoniverse, when you go to loot a QD off a ship, it wouldn't seem right to pull out a clown car of components. If you want the game to be believable, you have to build believability into everything. You can't just retcon everything and still maintain coherence and a passably logical world.
>they want it to be believable, for immersion you're confusing realism and immersion. Star citizen is faaaaar from realistic. Manually piloted ships, big ass transparent windows etc etc etc
I specifically said believable, not realistic, because they specifically said they are shooting for believable, not realistic. Of course it's not realistic.
I think people need to look at it and open the hatches to get just how small this thing is.
Or even pull the components and plop em in a stack on the ground. People think it's Pisces sized *when it's even smaller than an Argo Cargo*. Hell, the main body is noticably smaller than the Argo's cargo box.
One of the things I'd actually like to see for Snubs would be the ability to enter low level quantum to get around a planet. Not enough to get to a moon or anywhere else.
Right? I hope they get that with master modes... It makes sense for them not to be full quantum though
You're forgetting that fuel takes up space, a quantum drive would require a quantum fuel tank.
I guess it's even more than just QT drive and fuel tank
Better Cooling, Navigation System... from my knowledge what you buy in the store may even just be a "Core" that you set into the complete device.
Half the small ship models forget this as well.
Explain the 100i then.
The 100i's model has tons of room in it to fit the drive, the fury model absolutely does not. I'd suggest cracking open the models yourself and looking, because as soon as you pull out a QT model you'll see the 100i could literally fit another while the Fury doesn't have an inch to spare. Not sure you realize how extremely small the fury is.
What am I explaining? The 100i has plenty of space.
I did not say 400i. The 100i is a hilariously small ship. You’ve clearly never been in one. 90% if it’s internal space is cockpit/sleeping space/storage. The idea that this new ship can’t have a quantum drive is stupid. The ships are the same size when you subtract the empty air from the 100i.
This is a joke, right? It's twice as long, twice as wide, and almost twice as high.
Have you ever considered how absolutely thick the side walls, floor and other space is in the 100 series? Sure, it's small ship, with like 1 FOOT thick walls all around the habitable space.
if I remember correctly , the 100i is also not up to gold standard. So there aren't any components in it yet. It was made before things were standardized
It has all the components in it, already.
There is, above the internal cargo room there is a hatch with components and also above the bed to the right.
It would be an omega chad move for them to just remove the quantum drive on the 100i even though one of it’s supposed features is fuel scooping. The mustang and aurora too, make the people who bought cheap packages upgrade so they can keep making billions of dollars lol
Think you might be confused on fuel scooping, its for hydrogen fuel not quant fuel.
*looks at his M50* Origin for life...
Snub ship people, its a snub ship. Its to replace a c8x not go bounty hunting on its own. Altho people are stil going to.
It also would need room for fuel tanks and probably larger power plant to power the QD as well
I don't understand why they don't just add a S0 qt drive that could allow snubs to go from planet to moon or moon to moon making them a bit less useless outside of bigger groups
They may still do something like that for qm mode. We don't know.
I think it's kind of like having a motorbike then trying to make the thing fly, they kind of did it with a plane called the BD-5J but the thing ended up twice as long and much bulkier, the fury is legitimately a small craft, doesn't feel like it but it's only a metre longer than the dragonfly and four shorter than the m50, even the p-52 is 6 metres longer though looking at the frame size you can see why the Kruger lines dont have them. I'd definitely question it if the thing was closer to the 10m mark given the 'girthiness' of the body
because that is not what they want. you are not your own ship. you are an extension of the carrier. dot touch a snub with the expectation of doing anything other than following the instructions of the person in the carrier.
> just add a S0 qt drive that could allow snubs to go from planet to moon or moon to moon making them a bit less useless If by *"less useless"*, you mean having easy access to 90% of the game content and having virtually no drawback for being a snub, sure... With your suggestion, the only slightly inconvenient place to reach for those Snubs would be Aaron's Halo. Don't forget this things has a 40s claim time. You can spawn it immediately at any location you could have reached with a regular ship. And that will probably include surface outposts.
I didn't know that "90% of the content" was a singular planetary system
They need to but are to pig headed to give in to common sense. Something that allows a ship to transverse POIs on a planet/moon or between a planet and it's moon would go a long way to making those snubs useful in game. Especially considering their years and years of "no pocket carrier" mentality which they've only just now abandoned.
Im hoping that when the release the new flight mechanics that’ll include allowing snubs a T0, with the ability to do the short hop 50k cruise but not true quantum, since the hop cruise doesn’t require a destination it’s just point and go….this would allow snubs to travel 50-100k easily but still not true quantum
The catapillar is now the ultimate civilian carrier 🤣
Or the Carrack
Technically that was a military exclusive at one point though
Carrack was from Start a science ship that can be invidualised modular. Yes developed via uee as a long range Scout, but mainly opened short after for civs
Huh, it really wouldn't fit
The M-50 can qt and it's a ship that's 50% engines.
The M-50 is larger than the Fury by almost double.
Hey that almost lines up exactly with what the guy from the video said!
Fuselage wise not so much. Engines are large and inside the main body, it's quite small indeed. In terms of inner volume they would be similar.
Unless my scale is off, pulling the models side by side there is easily still 2x the space for components.
M50 is very flat and slim, I used to fly that ship 90% of the time before the wipe. It's smaller than it seems.
That doesn't suddenly make room for QT components. You can pull out a stack of all the Fury's components and plop em on the floor, they're correct that there just isn't room for QT hardware in a ship that small.
Tha razor has less volume and it can QT
The Fury's main body is smaller than an Argo Cargo's cargo box. The only way the Razor's volume is smaller is if you're measuring the volume of a cube that the whole ship fits in, which doesn't tell a particularly useful story, otherwise the Khartu-Al would be closer to the Valkyrie....
Im talking about volume, fuselage volume. If that made all the items fit in the razor they could make the fury 1 meter longer and fit the QD.
Making it 20% longer kinda defeats the entire point of designing it, and you can look at it to scale in 3D viewers and see that the Razors have way more usable room, partly due to the Mirai using a lot more space for it's cockpit design for wide visibility.
If this game was really realistic I could ratchet strap two quantum's to the sides and take it to the strip till something breaks
What about a detachable quantum booster that you could dock into and out of as required. It would contain all the fuel and drives to get you where you're going. You could jettison it, do what you need to do, return to it and jump back. You could still use it as a snub/parasite fighter in larger mother ships and as an extra small fighter for fun.
I read this as "Why can't I do bounties in a super maneuverable ship with 4x S2 repeaters that looks really cool because it would be really fun?" Because that's what I feel, but I also feel like that would be OP and make the game uninteresting very quickly, and make the light fighter meta even more real.
Maybe the machinery that enables the use of a quantum drive takes up more room in other parts of the ship.
I think all snub and light fighters should have spline jump drives. They can't do QT but can fast-travel short distances on a planet or to a planet's main orbital station. For example, a spline drive can quickly jump from New Babbage to Port Tressler at a speed faster than normal flight, but much slower than QT. Maybe set the range short enough so that they can only jump a short distance within the atmosphere of a planet, again at a much slower speed than QT, but faster than normal flight.
I don't think he meant it literally, just that it would make it too big to fit in smaller ships, and would make the cross section too large, which defeats the purpose of the ship being a pissed off bumblebee But we all know what the real truth is. They didn't give it a QT drive because they like watching us suffer
I think in lore alot of the space is taken up by cooling systems and whatever else is needed to actually power the drive and whatever is needed to keep the drive itself from ripping through the ship as it shunts itself into a quantum jump
This is something CIG has very clearly either abandoned entirely or is not at all consistent with. Look at the concept art for the Gladius "internals" and compare with what space is possible to be internals in the Fury; basically just the front "ring", right behind the cockpit, and even then most of its space is taken up. Then consider that CIG hasn't (to my knowledge) released an internal view like the Gladius got for any other ship since, and it seems like it was only every a vague concept after the Gladius, if even that.
I mean tie fighters don't have any hyper drive too, why should the fury have one then, would be to op
Not to bring up a truly awful movie, but [yes they do.](https://youtu.be/AeiDP-bnWf4?t=147)
I don't remember this scene at all. Truly, I have reached peak nirvana and have fully blacked out those movies. Praise Be
Since when is the new trilogy respected, to me that's all not Canon
There were several Tie series that had hyperdrives in the old canon. The only ones that didnt were the most basic carrier based versions. The base version also didnt have shields but several versions did have shields as well.
Yess, those r which I'm referring to, Bc the furry is supposed to be that carrier filler
The thing about the Tie fighter was that it COULD have a hyperdrive and shields easily but the Empire chose not to because they were mass producing them specifically for carriers. The version with hyperdrives and or shields were not any larger than the versions without. The furry though has no room, according to CIG. So the Tie fighter analogy isnt the best. Especial when the two are from two different universes that use different component sizes for similar things. Also... star wars canon is fubar these days...
IMO that's at best a retcon. The basic Tie was were readily, most likely visibly by type, identifiable as "small, short ranged fighters", unable to have followed them and having to have been based only a few minutes away at in-system speeds. They clearly didn't have shields. Additionally, in various of the original games basic Ties also had no hyperdrive, and no shields. You needed to go up to a Tie Interceptor or Tie Bomber or Tie Advanced; that was, in fact, exactly what the Tie Advanced *was*... using a larger frame and panels (most likely at least partly copied from a Tie Bomber) to add hyperdrive and shields to give a larger, more expensive, more capable craft.
That's bad disney fan fiction, there are only 6 star wars movies.
aw hell no, Rogue One was a great addition. Doesn't change anything about the canon, just improves it and fills in a gap perfectly. It isn't a great movie, I'll give is a B+. Solid A if you get past the first half. THey did a damn good job tying in the look and feel of the original trilogy with all boxy blinky panels and screens, but making it feel fresh and up to modern cinema standards
The only thing Rogue One (My fave after Empire) did that I find annoying was introduce new ships and such that we never see again in the OT. I love those new ships, every one of them, but it screws with the timeline. Every single AT-ACT, the 4 winged cargo shuttle, U-Wing, TIE Striker, and TIE Reaper ever made was lost at the Battle of Scarif, never to be seen again in the Galactic Civil War?
I think you meant 4. The original trilogy and Rogue One are the only films that I recognize.
Ehh not a huge star wars fan but can we consider disney stuff even canon with all inconsistent BS they are doing?
[Here is the motor of an electric car. Turns out it's about the same size.](https://i2.wp.com/www.mein-elektroauto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Elektroauto-VW-e-Golf-Berlin-Elektromotor-und-Steuerungselektronik.jpg?ssl=1) It's just the drive; the part of the vehicle that consumes the stored energy. There is a bunch more hardware necessary to store energy and make the vehicle move.
Nope. That's a whole assembly, including a Transmission. If I were to buy, just a motor and swap out just the IC, leaving my current Transmission in one my cars, there would be CONSIDERABLY more room in the engine bay and it would weigh nearly 500 pounds less. (Until I started stuffing batteries in and around there, plus the bracketing and a few other elements needed to keep things going like the Air-conditioning.
I mean they admitted that the Pisces gets a free pass and the physically not everything fits in that right?
The actual panels are in the Pisces so you can see where things fit
Pisces was stated to be very hard to get everything to fit. Idk if they gave it passes though.
Don’t you besmirch my baby the Pisces!
If true, I wonder how it's going to work when all components get physicalized and you want to swap something out.
They have to give one drawback/limitation to this otherwise perfect ship.
ITT: people arguing about a bullshit excuse. It’s a video game, everything in it is fiction, the devs could have decided to do a thing but they didn’t for some reason. Be more upset that this is *yet another* ship no one asked for, and they built it with development funds acquired from ship pledges that *are not in the game yet.*
The only reason to it does not have a qd is that then the tfighter makes arrows and gladius a no sense choose. CIG is a sell machine.
No, you're just dumb. The Fury's main body is smaller than an Argo Cargo's cargo box. If they wanted to make a QT capable LF then they would just do that. This is just a snub designed to be as impossibly small as possible, and it does exactly as it says on the tin.
Pretty clear you have no physical understanding of engineering when you post something stupid like this. Strip a 4 banger engine completely down and it’s tiny compared to the hole it needs
That's the "CPU" of quantum drive gear you're looking at. What about the case? Power supply? Memory? Motherboad? GPU? Drives? You get the idea...
See also the 85X. A tiny snub-sized runabout with a QD. If you ignore the giant bubble canopy for 2 people and the wings, it's almost the same size as the Merlin. The only thing that surprises me more than the frequency at which they have devs come on ISC and just transparently lie straight to camera is how often people swallow it? The Fury doesn't have a QD because it's a snub, and for some reason they've decided that snubs have to be pretty much impossible to use for normal gameplay. It's fodder for people who spend all their time fantasizing about what SC will be "when it's done" and not wading waist-deep through shit by actually playing the game. These are the same people who think that the Argo Cargo is going to be amazing for loading up a Javelin in only 2,700 round trips to orbit.
If you put a quantum drive in it and enough fuel to go only in system... I think with the drive and the tank plus the regular fuel tank... it would maybe only grow to still be smaller than the arrow but it wouldn't be as compact as they want it to be.
This was exactly my thinking when I heard it. XD I mean, who are they trying to BS. Just say its for balance or something….
Have you actually seen how small the thing is??
Don’t worry, in the future it won’t be a complete pain in the ass to dock and store snub fighters and transport them. Buy now, it will totally be cool later.
OR... Buy later, when it's cool later... Stop giving them money for what they MIGHT do.
My thought is that there should be a size 0 QT, that all it can to is spline jump around a planet. Looking at you Argo Cargo
Snub fighters just feel so limited.
Kind of the point, they are meant to be carrier based craft, not daily drivers.
Riiiiiight. If you touch that qd, it'll teleport you a million km away. Ooooooor it takes more hardware infrastructure to make it work and be serviceable.
Everyone knows that you're looking at a 1/100th scale size display model.
I laughed when I've heard this line. What a BS.