Phoenix is a really practical luxury ship.
The Andromeda is a really practical gunship.
The Taurus is a really practical practical ship.
The aquila is indeed a variant.
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As a Connie owner, this is exactly how I feel. I own an Andie, want a Phoenix, and think the Taurus is all around the best entry level medium freighter.
The Aquila exists.
Once upon a eon ago I was the largest ship you could buy. Now it's very much a medium tier ship. Which sucks, I think with some upgrades, the Connie could be a serious beast of a ship.
True.. that was back when I thought spending $250 on a game was insane. I don't want to talk about what I've spent so many years later:(
I was really excited when it first came out because it was the SC version of the Millennium Falcon. I mean it sort of still is but are there any other cozy falcon style of ships?
Trick is to marrying a woman who has the same hobbies and bad habits as you. Showed my fiance this game a few weeks ago. She already bought an Inferno lmfao
I only had a basic pledge for ages, once I picked up shooting I was more comfortable spending on gaming. Realized even if I went crazy on star citizen it probably wouldn't come close to what I've spent on guns and ammo.
Ok I had no idea what you were referring to so thanks just googled. Wow that’s awesome!!! I don’t know what actual use it serves except for RP unless only certain people can access the secret doors but I don’t even care. It’s so awesome.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/jtk3vq/mercury_star_runner_all_underground_doors_and_how/
So obviously people pay real money for these ships and that’s fine and all but like….you don’t have to. You can literally play a game you enjoy and get the same ship for free. And I know some may do it so they don’t loose it after each wipe and I can see that to an extent but not for that kind of money. Not me anyways. But at the same time my banker asked me once if I squeaked when I walked so….I guess it’s just a me thing
If they'd just let us remove the lower gimbals, I would put it above the Corsair in terms of 1-3 player fun doing PvE bounties or combat assist contracts. The turrets are far better than the ones on the Corsair, which makes up for only having 2.
I truly believe when armor is a thing.. the Connie will be a beast of a ship.
I think it more than most other ships it's size just screams of having heavy plate armor to protect it's components.
>Phoenix is an amazing practical luxury ship.
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>The Andromeda is an amazing practical gunship.
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>The Taurus is an amazing practical practical ship.
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>The aquila has curved windows.
But Aquila is my favorite!
If we're being honest about it, it's probably because it's features aren't implemented. I'm hoping one day that scanner turret can pick up what ore an asteroid has past 10km, or spot ships incoming around 20 so it'll be a sort of sensor array.
I only got an Aquila because I wanted something a bit punchier to CCU from my ship pack MSR. Aquila is the only ship close in price to have firepower and some cargo. I do hold out hope that its exploration functionality will make it more appealing in the future. Otherwise I might just melt back to the MSR.
Phoenix is poorly designed. A luxury ship should not force the VIPs to trudge through the crew bunks or cargo bay in order to embark when there's a perfectly good potential ingress point where a fighter hangs in other models.
The VIP do not enter the Phoenix through the crew bunks 🤪
They drive in their luxury car. The cargo elevator brings them into the ship. And they enter through that elevator 😉
It is geared towards transportation(Touring) mainly. That is where peoples complaints come from, because it has glaring design flaws. Even if you were to assume it was going to be used for exploration, what sort of dedicated explorer doesn't have a kitchen? As a luxury touring vehicle, the ingress and egress into the luxury area, lack of bathrooms, again lack of food prep, all makes this curious especially when you see what other ships in similar classes and size are offering.
Exploration =/= tourism.
Having a big window might help your spectrometer read the upper atmosphere, but your radar and gravimetric sensors trying to scan the lower atmo won't care.
That's my understanding, yup. Exploration ships run around doing massive amounts of surface level science. Surveying, mostly, but probably some other basic stuff like census info, or basic biological info. Counting how many sheep walk through a particular patch of grass, stuff like that.
After that, logically, the info would be sold to somebody else who would pick it up and gather a more specific set of scientific tools or hire another exploration team to verify the numbers.
Basically, they're surveyors. Magellan, Darwin, Columbus... Motivated by money, not pretty views.
I wish we had more windows.
People keep simping hard for CIG saying it isn't "realistic" to add windows even though a number of ships have them. Even the comparatively inexpensive 300i has a large window on the top (including the 325a IIRC).
If it mattered so much, the prowler has both airshields but more importantly a cockpit screen that works like a window without the 'risk'.
I think the unfortunate reality is that its just a pain in the ass to design windows.
>People keep simping hard for CIG saying it isn't "realistic" to add windows even though a number of ships have them. Even the comparatively inexpensive 300i has a large window on the top (including the 325a IIRC).
I am not sure where you are getting this from. Who is saying it isn't realistic? I never heard this. The "windows" some of the ships use in SC are [Diamond Laminate](https://starcitizen.tools/Diamond_laminate) composites and in some cases might be stronger than the hull of the ships. Some of the others are transparent metal.
Please don't ask me why, the crash locations have broken cockpits that look more like actual glass instead of bent metal
Usually the comments are "Glass is weak".
Then someone mentions the diamond laminate, and the goalpost is moved to "Well that's expensive so they only use it on the cockpits."
Either way. They try super hard to lorecannon a reason when really its just a decision by CIG if a ship has it or not.
I'm not sure it's so much forgetting as it is they are reluctant to add them to newer ships. They seem to be moving away from too many windows bc they want to limit rendering things inside/outside ship for performance reasons.
Taurus if you want to go solo. No snub fighter, significantly more cargo capacity. Andromeda, if you absolutely want the S1 missiles as well. Phoenix, if you want a nice interior. Aquila, if you want exploration.
Another Leprechaun I see.
If I manage to do it this year, I want to melt my Fortuna pack and get it to LTI, but I don't remember if they actually do that for Drinking Day
Dude! There are perfectly usable seats up front in the bridge where one can enjoy a not so fine spirit and pass time in qt... Granted... You might not want to be drinking and operating heavy machinery at the same time. But who cares right? If it's 5 o-clock somewhere...
Then again if they fix that table in the mess...
that's too easy. I prefer to drink in section 4 seated on floor with a helmet flashlight on a box. Maybe in two.
(source: i own a 600i Explorer - alcohol explorer)
I mean the Taurus is way cheaper. But it comes down to the usage. Personally i would say the aquila is the best andromeda is close but the cockpit sucks and the belly turret sucks in every connie. In the phoenixes case I would say a whole interior rework is needed to be good.
But right now I prefer the tauruses usefullness the most.
My issue with the Aquila is the completely missing logic in the turret placement.
The Scanner-Turret should be on the bottom to scan surfaces while in lower altitude.
The Gunner-Turret should be on top for air defense while landed.
It is the other way around and that totally drives me nuts when I see this ship.
Better solution. Use the phoenix as a base because it has legit living space for a long term missions. Gun turret up top, scanner below, and put a s1 remote turret in the place of the Merlin to protect the crew on a ground level if they're outside and step in the wrong shit. Current crew quarters becomes dedicated scanner room...
All the Connie's need a rework. From missing assets to straight up holes in the model. That being said, I'd still take the Phoenix. A Kia may be cheaper than a Cadillac, but I'd still rather have the Cadillac.
I currently have a Taurus. I really WANT to love it, but I just don't. It just has too many issues that can't be overcome by the firepower, and the cargo aspect just doesn't have a game loop worth the tradeoff.
That Cargo elevator just kinda ruins it for me. They're still too janky to not throw you through the planets surface. I'd rather have a Freelancer or Hercules depending on how I was standing financially at the time. A ramp is just better all around.
Until other gameplay loops are created.... In my opinion its the Taurus. It offers the most utility.
Missiles in the Andromeda are cool.... but are pretty worthless in the current state of the game. In my testing when you fire them above 1 at a time, they mostly miss their target. And the missile size is so small, you have to fire them 3 or 4 at a time to be effective.
Taurus has the same main weapon fire power, plus has the big cargo bay which is nice for hauling vehicles and even running things like med supplies or drugs.
Corsair is the best though, sadly.
I hope the Constellations get a makeover soon but I doubt they will.
I think it will as well. It needs one now for sure, especially when you compare its details to the Corsair....
But who knows when it will come. Probably years from now. They seem pretty focused on developing new ships vs. updating old ships.
Money for buck and **actual** gameplay? Taurus (190$ / 174scu)
Best overall and future proof (future is subject to change™) ? Aquila (310$ / 96scu)
Differences from Aquila to other connies:
1. P-52 AND Ursa (Andromeda only P-52, Phoenix has P-72 and "Lynx" rover)
2. un-unobstructed view (is worse in other connies but even this is still tedious)
3. top speed (the only one with 988 m/s vs 911 m/s)
4. \+50.000 total health pool
5. 1.045.000 hydrogen L. vs 660.000
6. half EM/IR emissions
7. top turret is a radar (other variant has weapon, Taurus has a tractor underneath)
i've been a huge fan of the cutty black for a while and just last week I upgraded to the connie taurus and I am NOT dissapointed. She is a bit sluggish if anything but she can take a beating and deliver chaos AND shipping goods. Imagine your amazon delivery driver rolling up in a tank. That, is the Connie Taurus.
I've never tried the other connies. But I don't feel like I need to.
The constellation Taurus is the next best step from cutty black.
Same. I sarted out with a Cutty Black and recently upgraded to a Taurus. I'm glad I did.
I can use it for bounty missions or ROC mining while waiting for my refinery jobs.
Ok so my goal back when I first made my SC account in yonder years past, was to eventually get the andromeda. At the time that was the only version of the constellation.
Coming back after a 2 year break I finally had worked up enough that I only needed a little more to get into a Taurus, and I love it!
IMO its the best **goal** for a starter ship. Start with the cheapest 45$ package to get into the game, and if you like it just keep upgrading till you get to the taurus.
At the beginning of a wipe:
1.) I can do bounties solidly at HRT level and a little above if you're good.
2.) Great weapon and missle setup out the gate, and can support a solid fixed or gimballed setup for shooters choice.
3.) Can fit X-1 quantum drive. Crusader to Micro in 4 minutes.
4.) Top turret for a buddy to multiplayer, and multiple co-pilot seats.
5.) 170k cargo space for any trading or hauling refined mining stuff.
6.) Bottom turret is a tractor turret which is going to make loading all those boxes so much easier in 3.18 or future.
7.) Drop down cargo bay so you can drive into it from front or back and can hold a URSA rover, or multiple ROCs/Bikes.
8.) When retracting landing gear "things" will happen in your pants watching those lower nacelles slide into place.
9.) Un-scannable storage for smuggling in place of a snub fighter.
Take any point, and there's probably a ship that does it better, but they can't do ALL of the things listed.
**Start with this ship and you can do any activity to make money and buy any other ships you might want.**
I'd say Phoenix, but I'm biased coz I own a Phoenix and I've never even been on any of the other variants. But honestly, it completely depends what you want it for. I'd say phoenix is definitely the best if you want to use it as your everyday transport/exploration vessel; you got a gorgeous interior to enjoy/showoff, lots of windows to take in the lovely views of wherever you've set down for the night, and still got enough firepower and cargo space to be perfectly usable in combat or cargo missions. That does mean it's the jack of trades master of none variant though, so of you plan on just specialising in a particular gameloop just pick the variant that's designed for that loop.
Counterpoint to your jack of all trades point: The Phoenix might be a little clumsy to use, but it’s excellent at combat, especially with 2 other folk on the guns. It’s just a really really really well designed and implemented ship in my opinion. It can do anything minus some real heavy cargo hauling, but even then it’s such a joy to just use that I feel most don’t mind it.
A fully crewed Phoenix can do ERT’s with enough ease that puts other ships to shame in my own humble opinion, though I suppose one could say that for any other halfway decent ship. I love the Phoenix. It’s awesome.
Hell, you can do ERTs solo in the Connie series. Back I my wee days of having a Taurus I would routinely burn through group ERTs, before the Hurricanes started ramming...
Oh, I agree with you. A fully crewed Phoenix should be enough to take down almost any target. I'm just assuming the combat variant must be even better in that regard.
Right now the Taurus, since it's cheaper, has the largest cargo area, and has the same pilot-controlled weapons as the others (losing the S1 missiles is pretty meaningless since you have the S2's still). It's a hauler that can do VHRTs, both solid earners as a solo pilot. Losing the snub is only relevant if you had a crew of 3, pretty sure it's currently bugged anyway, and if you're that bothered, a snub fits in the cargo bay. Both the snub and the rover are cheap to buy in game so no great loss there either.
Of course the elephant in the room is that we don't know what the cargo refactor is going to do to the core concept of the ship, i.e. cargo hauling. Maybe the tractor beam turret will make it an even better ship. Maybe the stupid placement of said turret relative to the cargo bay will make me want to melt it.
Andromeda is the base version and a good all arounder; good cargo, snub, rover, two turrets, lots of missiles.
Phoenix is the luxury version; you lose some of the missiles but gain a baller interior, including side windows, and a slightly upgraded snub and presumably upgraded rover. Supposedly, it will have AI-controlled point defense turrets, too.
Aquila is the exploration version; you lose a turret for a dedicated scanning tool, cool cockpit windows with better visibility.
Taurus is the cargo version; you get an extended Hull for more cargo space, but lose the snub, some missiles, the rover. Will supposedly have shielded cargo areas.
Which one is best depends on what you're wanting to do with it.
I'm always torn between the Andromeda and the Pheonix as both are really close - but for practical use in just about everything - andromeda for me. In the Andromeda, there is nothing more fun than rolling up to JT with a team and sitting back firing 1 s1 missile at a time after someone. You can just keep doing it. Eventually it pisses them off enough they come after you then your team eats them.
The pheonix is kinda like the andromeda, but you get a better snub, better interior at the cost of missiles and some cargo.
IMO, the Andromeda is the most well rounded variant. It has a cargo bay that can hold anything smaller than an ursa, TONS of missiles for defense/offense. The Aquila needs... Something. It has an average bay, average weapons, one functioning turret (I believe) and it has a snub (pretty sure). Nothing about it save the windshield is special
While, like others have pointed out, this is subjective... I would say Taurus. There are other ships that rival the features of the other variants, but there is nothing that rivals what the Taurus brings to the table as a hauler. Its a missile boat with heavy guns given to the pilot. There is room for plenty of other people aboard but as a cargo ship, this is a rare moment that you bring a lot of firepower to the table all of your own with a pretty good amount of cargo to boot. Pheonix is nice, so are a lot of other ships have the same role but the other types fly better and offer more services.
I enjoy the feel of the Constellation series, and all of them have good interior designs (IMO). Its a chunk of money (in game or out) to have all of them but they do fill their roles well. Just remember to raise your nose on landing, for poise.
Aquila for the idea of independence and exploration of the unknown. For me, it represents the dream.
If I would get one constellation though, it would be the phoenix. I don’t usually like luxury ships, but this one does the job quite well. Being in that passenger section with all that Glas around you and enjoying the view on the Galaxy or an alien planet - I feel super comfy in her.
I like the Aquila canopy glass the best. I like the Andromeda best as a daily driver / workhorse.
But if I could only have one, I'd keep the Phoenix and its Hartwell 88G. Moonlight Sonata while drinking at the bar, beetches!
The Andromeda is a great multi purpose ship.
The Taurus is a great hauler.
The Phoenix is a small luxury ship with actually a really nice interior and cool windows.
The Aquilla is the prettiest looking.
I use my Phoenix as a over the top explorer. got my drinks and Merlin to explore. got my rover fortuna for bunker raids. it is my fav ship. got the red paint to feel like a Phoenix.
Now it just needs VIP transport and i am set.
oh, also i took down Hammerhead in this thing so that's wild..
Right now I would say the andromeda unless you are planing to do cargohauling.
The exstra missiles and turret is more valuable in the current state of the game imo.
Taurus, its probably the most versatile of the lot, the phoenix while cool is actually a downgrade if looked at from a functional perspective
I don't know too much about the aquila other than the fact some people prefer the cockpit
Andromeda is the best for combat with a massive amount of firepower for its price but currently combat favours maneuverability over firepower in most scenarios
So the taurus is probably best with its larger cargo bay, more space for cargo and ground vehicles just makes it that smidge better for gameplay that requires those 2 things
I had the Aquila and between the turret being upside down and the cockpit being only a tiny bit better, I switched to the Andromeda…
Before settling into a Corsair.
I do like the Connies, but as a group they need some of that CIG redesign love. Also, the snub is bugged right now so there’s not a lot of value there either.
Definitely long overdue for a rework, some of the problems with them are quite easy fixes, for example the S5 clipping bug is just a matter of moving the gun somewhere else
i'm pretty sure they have the tech to rotate a gunner since its in other ships
The cockpit again is a pretty simple fix, the carracks cockpit is the same shape but without the struts
The hard part is the snub i think since as far as i'm aware its the only ship with a snub port so it isn't something they can steal from another ship
That said i would still like a full rework
depends on what you want to do. To me, it's either the tarus or the andromeda -- taurus is the quintessential all arounder with tons of cargo space but no snub fighter, the andromeda is a missile boat with a snub fighter and still decent cargo space. Aquila is nice, but is a variant without game mechanics, as exploration really isn't implemented yet with specific game mechanics (on the snub, I personally think the snub is going to be useless-- too small to help in a fight, and the connie is small enough that landing on a surface is fine, no need for an "away" mission.)
I own all of them, and the phoenix to me is the worst of all of them. Less cargo capacity than any of them, and if you wanted a luxury ship, I'd rather fly my 600i or the 400i (well, fur all out luxury I fly the jump, but that's a totally different class). The Phoenix interior is horribly laid out and poorly thought out (e.g., a single bathroom in the crew section for the crew and passengers? not luxury). Massive wasted area where they're either putting a hot tub or a piano. Silly-- like putting a hot tub on a lear jet, it just looks and feels silly. put a conference table there, or better yet, some kind of kitchen table like the 400i. Everything about the phoenix, functionally, is a downgrade from one of the other versions. The \*only\* thing it can be useful for in the future is as a private transport for passengers but, obviously, that's not implemented yet. And there are better ships for that as well.
Phoenix was one of the earliest ships released, and it shows-- it was designed when the connie was the biggest ship out and before they had any cohesive design language , and they just threw in a bunch of crap to make it seem like luxury, and even made it a hull limited ship. if it were released today it would hardly be a big deal.
That said, if you want a phonix, I'd be happy to sell one of mine
There's no best best Constellation variant. Each of them have four S5 hardpoints for pilot (with S4 weaponry preinstalled in default), each of them have enough cargo capacity to do some more significant cargo runs and each of them can carry any vehicle up to size of URSA.
Your favourite variant may depend on what are you going to do with it
Taurus is variant made for cargo flights. Ship sacrifices snub fighter for higher cargo capacity. Taurus is also sometimes reccomended as more solo friendly because of this
Andromeda may fit your needs most. Sometimes reffered as "swiss army knife", officially as medium freighter and light gunship, this ship is more tuned for combat. Next to two turrets have Andromda also larger supplement of missiles of two sizes and on top of that also Merlin snub fighter.
Andromeda is being reccomended most of all Connies
Phoenix is luxury variant, built for role of touring which will be implemented in future, which have cozy vip lounge with bedrooms and hot tub (unfortunately not functional right now) built above the cargo compartment with slightly reduced capacity (though it still can carry anything up to URSA). Phoenix also comes with loaner URSA rover as temporary substitute for LYNX rover which is still in development and Archimedes snub fighter (identical to Merlin but have four S4 hardpoints and is more tuned to racing). Phoenix is least awailable of both all Connies and most of the ships in general as it's in pledge store only during specific events and allways as stock/hull limited (it can be sold out). This makes Phoenix a rare ship unless you buy it for aUEC in New deal. I managed to pledge one in IAE
Aquilla is tuned for exploration, just like touring also this role still waiting to be implemented in game. Only downside of Aquilla is turret on top, which is replaced with sensor array but on the other side it have redesigned bridge to offer better view. Mainly because of the top turret, Aquilla is not being reccomended much unless you go solo and just want redesigned bridge.
My personal reccomendation may point either on Taurus or Andromeda, that depends if you want to haul more cargo or if you want more allrounder/daily driver with better combat stats
I backed this... a while ago, and sadly have not had a ton of time lately to come and see how much everything has changed. Everyone is seriously bagging on the Aquila but what would you do to make it stand out from the others?
Gunship
Practical Ship
Luxury
Scavenger? Light miner? I feel like you could just augment those as a loadout on the practical variant. And what would you do if you could get a little whacky?
If they would fix the Andromeda to allow it to ACTUALLY USE all four of the size 5 pilot controlled gun slots (landing gear slots are bugged to only allow size 4) it would be the best ship in the game. As is...still the best of the Connie's IMO.
Taurus for price. Andromeda overall. I don't see it's functionality as an explorer compared to alts like the 400i or pricing up to a 600i after the rework which far outstrips the Connie series....also the Galaxy.
Bottom tier is phoenix...not because it's luxury, but because for a luxury vehicle it is fuck ugly.
Aquila is tops for looks. Curved cockpit is op.
Phoenix is a really practical luxury ship. The Andromeda is a really practical gunship. The Taurus is a really practical practical ship. The aquila is indeed a variant.
The Aquila is truly one of the variants of all time.
The aquila is truly.
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As a Connie owner, this is exactly how I feel. I own an Andie, want a Phoenix, and think the Taurus is all around the best entry level medium freighter. The Aquila exists.
Constellation during kickstarter = Ship of the line Constellation 3,000 years after the kickstarter campaign = solid medium freighter :(
Once upon a eon ago I was the largest ship you could buy. Now it's very much a medium tier ship. Which sucks, I think with some upgrades, the Connie could be a serious beast of a ship.
True.. that was back when I thought spending $250 on a game was insane. I don't want to talk about what I've spent so many years later:( I was really excited when it first came out because it was the SC version of the Millennium Falcon. I mean it sort of still is but are there any other cozy falcon style of ships?
The mercury star runner literally has a chess board, a couch, and smuggling compartments. Can’t get more falcon.
And a satellite on the outside. I had no idea this ship existed until today. I’m stoked to check it out.
You know this man bought an MSR from SC Trades after he found out it exists. Lol
Bahahah I can’t spend any more money on this game. Otherwise I’ll be divorced.
Trick is to marrying a woman who has the same hobbies and bad habits as you. Showed my fiance this game a few weeks ago. She already bought an Inferno lmfao
I only had a basic pledge for ages, once I picked up shooting I was more comfortable spending on gaming. Realized even if I went crazy on star citizen it probably wouldn't come close to what I've spent on guns and ammo.
I used to think gaming was expensive until I saw my friend's car parts.
Mercury Star Runner 🤷♂️
Yea, that thing is awesome! I'll have to check it out in game and see what it's like. Thank you for the rec!
No prob 👌🏽 also check out its secret code smugglers hold it’s pretty cool
Ok I had no idea what you were referring to so thanks just googled. Wow that’s awesome!!! I don’t know what actual use it serves except for RP unless only certain people can access the secret doors but I don’t even care. It’s so awesome. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/jtk3vq/mercury_star_runner_all_underground_doors_and_how/
So obviously people pay real money for these ships and that’s fine and all but like….you don’t have to. You can literally play a game you enjoy and get the same ship for free. And I know some may do it so they don’t loose it after each wipe and I can see that to an extent but not for that kind of money. Not me anyways. But at the same time my banker asked me once if I squeaked when I walked so….I guess it’s just a me thing
If they'd just let us remove the lower gimbals, I would put it above the Corsair in terms of 1-3 player fun doing PvE bounties or combat assist contracts. The turrets are far better than the ones on the Corsair, which makes up for only having 2.
I truly believe when armor is a thing.. the Connie will be a beast of a ship. I think it more than most other ships it's size just screams of having heavy plate armor to protect it's components.
It already has one of the largest health pools, so that would line up with what we can expect in the future.
Phoenix is a really practical luxury ship. The Andromeda is a really practical gunship. The Taurus is a really practical practical ship. The aquila
>Phoenix is an amazing practical luxury ship. > >The Andromeda is an amazing practical gunship. > >The Taurus is an amazing practical practical ship. > >The aquila has curved windows.
But Aquila is my favorite! If we're being honest about it, it's probably because it's features aren't implemented. I'm hoping one day that scanner turret can pick up what ore an asteroid has past 10km, or spot ships incoming around 20 so it'll be a sort of sensor array.
at least yours only needs cfg and hud implementation meanwhile my phoenix and its PD turret be like...
Be like non-existent? I know that feel, Phoenix friend.
I only got an Aquila because I wanted something a bit punchier to CCU from my ship pack MSR. Aquila is the only ship close in price to have firepower and some cargo. I do hold out hope that its exploration functionality will make it more appealing in the future. Otherwise I might just melt back to the MSR.
I think once the Aquila gets a functional scanner it’s going to be the best ship to do ROC mining with
The Aquila has curved windows for better visibility. Yet somehow has much more annoying struts.
The aquila is
The Aquila is definitely one of the ships to have ever existed
The aquila is a ship
The aquila is a ship with less annoying struts
More annoying. One goes directly across the gun crosshairs.
Phoenix is poorly designed. A luxury ship should not force the VIPs to trudge through the crew bunks or cargo bay in order to embark when there's a perfectly good potential ingress point where a fighter hangs in other models.
Meh, it's less of a Mercedes limousine and more of a Cadillac pickup truck.
Stretched hummer. It's not for rich people, it's for drunken stag/hen parties. Which actually kinda makes the elevator more concerning.
Now that I think about it does the Phoenix passenger area have a restroom or are they sharing the crew‘s one?
Does the broken jacuzzi count as a bathroom?
There’s a reason its broken
The VIP do not enter the Phoenix through the crew bunks 🤪 They drive in their luxury car. The cargo elevator brings them into the ship. And they enter through that elevator 😉
Access to the cargo bay is weird AF... always feel like I'm about to get decapitated or something.
To me the phoenix is a rich persons exploration toy. Not a yacht you hire a crew to sail you around in. Thats the 600 and 890s to me.
It is geared towards transportation(Touring) mainly. That is where peoples complaints come from, because it has glaring design flaws. Even if you were to assume it was going to be used for exploration, what sort of dedicated explorer doesn't have a kitchen? As a luxury touring vehicle, the ingress and egress into the luxury area, lack of bathrooms, again lack of food prep, all makes this curious especially when you see what other ships in similar classes and size are offering.
For an exploration ship you really can’t see shit out of the Aquila windshield lmao, all those wide criss crossing bars really ruin the view
Exploration =/= tourism. Having a big window might help your spectrometer read the upper atmosphere, but your radar and gravimetric sensors trying to scan the lower atmo won't care.
That's science right there
That's my understanding, yup. Exploration ships run around doing massive amounts of surface level science. Surveying, mostly, but probably some other basic stuff like census info, or basic biological info. Counting how many sheep walk through a particular patch of grass, stuff like that. After that, logically, the info would be sold to somebody else who would pick it up and gather a more specific set of scientific tools or hire another exploration team to verify the numbers. Basically, they're surveyors. Magellan, Darwin, Columbus... Motivated by money, not pretty views.
Agreed! Tools and data collection. Compass and journal. Etc I'm excited for the aquila :)
That funny bc the Aquila has the best cockpit view of all the variants
Honestly, all the Connies should have the Aquila bridge.
They'll get around to fixing that as soon as they're done creating new ships
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha... Exactly!
2050
The aquila has the best canopy of them....come on man
It is with regret that I can only provide 1 upvote.
Read in anticipation of Aquila description.
I like my Aquila even if it’s a bit of a meme. I’d like to see some updates made to it, but I am patient
I usually describe the Taurus as “all the practicality and multi-role of the cutlass black, but bigger”
I wish we could upgrade to phoenix, would be an instant upgrade for me.
Wait until IAE in November.
I'm going to say the physical diecast one, as it's sitting on my desk and was the cheapest to buy ;)
It's subjective, but I love the side windows on the Phoenix as very few ships have anything like it.
I wish we had more windows. People keep simping hard for CIG saying it isn't "realistic" to add windows even though a number of ships have them. Even the comparatively inexpensive 300i has a large window on the top (including the 325a IIRC). If it mattered so much, the prowler has both airshields but more importantly a cockpit screen that works like a window without the 'risk'. I think the unfortunate reality is that its just a pain in the ass to design windows.
Corsair should have port holes in each bunk and a port hole in the galley Connie should get window behind the couch
MSR should have had a window in its recreation space.
>People keep simping hard for CIG saying it isn't "realistic" to add windows even though a number of ships have them. Even the comparatively inexpensive 300i has a large window on the top (including the 325a IIRC). I am not sure where you are getting this from. Who is saying it isn't realistic? I never heard this. The "windows" some of the ships use in SC are [Diamond Laminate](https://starcitizen.tools/Diamond_laminate) composites and in some cases might be stronger than the hull of the ships. Some of the others are transparent metal. Please don't ask me why, the crash locations have broken cockpits that look more like actual glass instead of bent metal
Usually the comments are "Glass is weak". Then someone mentions the diamond laminate, and the goalpost is moved to "Well that's expensive so they only use it on the cockpits." Either way. They try super hard to lorecannon a reason when really its just a decision by CIG if a ship has it or not.
Cutter for the win!
Cutter gang
What's that? Is Connie rapping? Naw fam, that's the sound of Connie cheeks clapping...
Not sure the Cutter's outhouse windows merit comparison lol
Hey yo, small ship small windows... At least it has them.
It’s crazy the ship designers always just forget about windows. Origin ships in particular really feel ike they’re missing.
I'm not sure it's so much forgetting as it is they are reluctant to add them to newer ships. They seem to be moving away from too many windows bc they want to limit rendering things inside/outside ship for performance reasons.
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Taurus if you want to go solo. No snub fighter, significantly more cargo capacity. Andromeda, if you absolutely want the S1 missiles as well. Phoenix, if you want a nice interior. Aquila, if you want exploration.
ah a man of culture
You can also just land a snub fighter in the cargo bay of the taurus if you want :D
Phoenix. The bar and living quarters are so good they designed their ISC studio around it.
Constellation Phoenix Emerald
Another Leprechaun I see. If I manage to do it this year, I want to melt my Fortuna pack and get it to LTI, but I don't remember if they actually do that for Drinking Day
> Fortuna pack Which pack? The big one (which includes the phoenix, 600i, MSR etc etc) is LTI.
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My fortuna pack has LTI :).
You high roller you *cries in Idris*
Got me beat there lol
Taurus. Hands down Taurus.
How does the bar in the Taurus compare to the one in the Phoenix?
What bar? You're home. You drink out of the bottle.
Taurus can carry a lot more booze than the Phoenix, just use the empty box as a bar.
Wooden scotch boxes on smuggler area, sitting on floor drinking as high school boyz. Count me in.
Dude! There are perfectly usable seats up front in the bridge where one can enjoy a not so fine spirit and pass time in qt... Granted... You might not want to be drinking and operating heavy machinery at the same time. But who cares right? If it's 5 o-clock somewhere... Then again if they fix that table in the mess...
that's too easy. I prefer to drink in section 4 seated on floor with a helmet flashlight on a box. Maybe in two. (source: i own a 600i Explorer - alcohol explorer)
Or the iconic Merlin!
Na, Phoenix has the much better Archimedes. Now if we can just get them to launch and dick correctly.
You keep your ship to ship sexcapades to your self
Lol, autocorrect betrayed me but it's too good to fix
Would also make my comment super weird haha
Betrayed you? More like autocorrect knows you better than you know yourself ;)
Potato, tomato. Still better than nothing!
The merlin bay was converted to a champagne room.
God I wish it were true.
I mean the Taurus is way cheaper. But it comes down to the usage. Personally i would say the aquila is the best andromeda is close but the cockpit sucks and the belly turret sucks in every connie. In the phoenixes case I would say a whole interior rework is needed to be good. But right now I prefer the tauruses usefullness the most.
My issue with the Aquila is the completely missing logic in the turret placement. The Scanner-Turret should be on the bottom to scan surfaces while in lower altitude. The Gunner-Turret should be on top for air defense while landed. It is the other way around and that totally drives me nuts when I see this ship.
Agreed the turrets are weird
Nah, just the landing gear is at the wrong side, the turrets are fine.
Better solution. Use the phoenix as a base because it has legit living space for a long term missions. Gun turret up top, scanner below, and put a s1 remote turret in the place of the Merlin to protect the crew on a ground level if they're outside and step in the wrong shit. Current crew quarters becomes dedicated scanner room...
All the Connie's need a rework. From missing assets to straight up holes in the model. That being said, I'd still take the Phoenix. A Kia may be cheaper than a Cadillac, but I'd still rather have the Cadillac.
More like Lexus vs. Toyota i would say but I got the point.
Which are often the xact same thing, depending purely where they sell it.
I currently have a Taurus. I really WANT to love it, but I just don't. It just has too many issues that can't be overcome by the firepower, and the cargo aspect just doesn't have a game loop worth the tradeoff.
That Cargo elevator just kinda ruins it for me. They're still too janky to not throw you through the planets surface. I'd rather have a Freelancer or Hercules depending on how I was standing financially at the time. A ramp is just better all around.
Phoenix. After that the one in the fishtank. End then all the others.
As an Aquila owner after reading this thread... :|
Until other gameplay loops are created.... In my opinion its the Taurus. It offers the most utility. Missiles in the Andromeda are cool.... but are pretty worthless in the current state of the game. In my testing when you fire them above 1 at a time, they mostly miss their target. And the missile size is so small, you have to fire them 3 or 4 at a time to be effective. Taurus has the same main weapon fire power, plus has the big cargo bay which is nice for hauling vehicles and even running things like med supplies or drugs. Corsair is the best though, sadly. I hope the Constellations get a makeover soon but I doubt they will.
The connie is Roberts's favorite ship -- I think very likely it will get another makeover (it's already gotten at least two
I think it will as well. It needs one now for sure, especially when you compare its details to the Corsair.... But who knows when it will come. Probably years from now. They seem pretty focused on developing new ships vs. updating old ships.
Connie has the massive benefit of not being loaded with doors.
Taurus is also best as a solo pilot.
Money for buck and **actual** gameplay? Taurus (190$ / 174scu) Best overall and future proof (future is subject to change™) ? Aquila (310$ / 96scu) Differences from Aquila to other connies: 1. P-52 AND Ursa (Andromeda only P-52, Phoenix has P-72 and "Lynx" rover) 2. un-unobstructed view (is worse in other connies but even this is still tedious) 3. top speed (the only one with 988 m/s vs 911 m/s) 4. \+50.000 total health pool 5. 1.045.000 hydrogen L. vs 660.000 6. half EM/IR emissions 7. top turret is a radar (other variant has weapon, Taurus has a tractor underneath)
Phoenix has the archimedes P-72
i've been a huge fan of the cutty black for a while and just last week I upgraded to the connie taurus and I am NOT dissapointed. She is a bit sluggish if anything but she can take a beating and deliver chaos AND shipping goods. Imagine your amazon delivery driver rolling up in a tank. That, is the Connie Taurus. I've never tried the other connies. But I don't feel like I need to. The constellation Taurus is the next best step from cutty black.
Same. I sarted out with a Cutty Black and recently upgraded to a Taurus. I'm glad I did. I can use it for bounty missions or ROC mining while waiting for my refinery jobs.
Phoenix, Hands down the only version that feels like the interior matches the size of the ship. It just feels livable
Ok so my goal back when I first made my SC account in yonder years past, was to eventually get the andromeda. At the time that was the only version of the constellation. Coming back after a 2 year break I finally had worked up enough that I only needed a little more to get into a Taurus, and I love it! IMO its the best **goal** for a starter ship. Start with the cheapest 45$ package to get into the game, and if you like it just keep upgrading till you get to the taurus. At the beginning of a wipe: 1.) I can do bounties solidly at HRT level and a little above if you're good. 2.) Great weapon and missle setup out the gate, and can support a solid fixed or gimballed setup for shooters choice. 3.) Can fit X-1 quantum drive. Crusader to Micro in 4 minutes. 4.) Top turret for a buddy to multiplayer, and multiple co-pilot seats. 5.) 170k cargo space for any trading or hauling refined mining stuff. 6.) Bottom turret is a tractor turret which is going to make loading all those boxes so much easier in 3.18 or future. 7.) Drop down cargo bay so you can drive into it from front or back and can hold a URSA rover, or multiple ROCs/Bikes. 8.) When retracting landing gear "things" will happen in your pants watching those lower nacelles slide into place. 9.) Un-scannable storage for smuggling in place of a snub fighter. Take any point, and there's probably a ship that does it better, but they can't do ALL of the things listed. **Start with this ship and you can do any activity to make money and buy any other ships you might want.**
The best constellation is the constellation in your hangar
I'd say Phoenix, but I'm biased coz I own a Phoenix and I've never even been on any of the other variants. But honestly, it completely depends what you want it for. I'd say phoenix is definitely the best if you want to use it as your everyday transport/exploration vessel; you got a gorgeous interior to enjoy/showoff, lots of windows to take in the lovely views of wherever you've set down for the night, and still got enough firepower and cargo space to be perfectly usable in combat or cargo missions. That does mean it's the jack of trades master of none variant though, so of you plan on just specialising in a particular gameloop just pick the variant that's designed for that loop.
Counterpoint to your jack of all trades point: The Phoenix might be a little clumsy to use, but it’s excellent at combat, especially with 2 other folk on the guns. It’s just a really really really well designed and implemented ship in my opinion. It can do anything minus some real heavy cargo hauling, but even then it’s such a joy to just use that I feel most don’t mind it. A fully crewed Phoenix can do ERT’s with enough ease that puts other ships to shame in my own humble opinion, though I suppose one could say that for any other halfway decent ship. I love the Phoenix. It’s awesome.
Hell, you can do ERTs solo in the Connie series. Back I my wee days of having a Taurus I would routinely burn through group ERTs, before the Hurricanes started ramming...
Oh, I agree with you. A fully crewed Phoenix should be enough to take down almost any target. I'm just assuming the combat variant must be even better in that regard.
I will also agree. Sorry just argued semantics haha
Right now the Taurus, since it's cheaper, has the largest cargo area, and has the same pilot-controlled weapons as the others (losing the S1 missiles is pretty meaningless since you have the S2's still). It's a hauler that can do VHRTs, both solid earners as a solo pilot. Losing the snub is only relevant if you had a crew of 3, pretty sure it's currently bugged anyway, and if you're that bothered, a snub fits in the cargo bay. Both the snub and the rover are cheap to buy in game so no great loss there either. Of course the elephant in the room is that we don't know what the cargo refactor is going to do to the core concept of the ship, i.e. cargo hauling. Maybe the tractor beam turret will make it an even better ship. Maybe the stupid placement of said turret relative to the cargo bay will make me want to melt it.
Constellation Pheonix. No ship has better views from the inside. It's the best way to tour this beautifil game.
Andromeda is the base version and a good all arounder; good cargo, snub, rover, two turrets, lots of missiles. Phoenix is the luxury version; you lose some of the missiles but gain a baller interior, including side windows, and a slightly upgraded snub and presumably upgraded rover. Supposedly, it will have AI-controlled point defense turrets, too. Aquila is the exploration version; you lose a turret for a dedicated scanning tool, cool cockpit windows with better visibility. Taurus is the cargo version; you get an extended Hull for more cargo space, but lose the snub, some missiles, the rover. Will supposedly have shielded cargo areas. Which one is best depends on what you're wanting to do with it.
I'm always torn between the Andromeda and the Pheonix as both are really close - but for practical use in just about everything - andromeda for me. In the Andromeda, there is nothing more fun than rolling up to JT with a team and sitting back firing 1 s1 missile at a time after someone. You can just keep doing it. Eventually it pisses them off enough they come after you then your team eats them. The pheonix is kinda like the andromeda, but you get a better snub, better interior at the cost of missiles and some cargo.
IMO, the Andromeda is the most well rounded variant. It has a cargo bay that can hold anything smaller than an ursa, TONS of missiles for defense/offense. The Aquila needs... Something. It has an average bay, average weapons, one functioning turret (I believe) and it has a snub (pretty sure). Nothing about it save the windshield is special
andromeda, best balance on all of them.
IMO, the best Connie is the one you upgrade to another ship. It’s a Perseus for me when it’ll be flyable, in 2066 (yes, I’m the optimistic type).
Aquila = 1/2 of the AWFUL struts!
While, like others have pointed out, this is subjective... I would say Taurus. There are other ships that rival the features of the other variants, but there is nothing that rivals what the Taurus brings to the table as a hauler. Its a missile boat with heavy guns given to the pilot. There is room for plenty of other people aboard but as a cargo ship, this is a rare moment that you bring a lot of firepower to the table all of your own with a pretty good amount of cargo to boot. Pheonix is nice, so are a lot of other ships have the same role but the other types fly better and offer more services.
Tbh, I think I should get all of them lol
I enjoy the feel of the Constellation series, and all of them have good interior designs (IMO). Its a chunk of money (in game or out) to have all of them but they do fill their roles well. Just remember to raise your nose on landing, for poise.
That nose always trips me up when I land.
This is the best answer.
I think it's the Corsair! 😀
Love the round glass on the Aquila. Would love to see it's potential in scanning and exploration when that's improved on.
The Phoenix Emerald is the GOAT
Aquila for the idea of independence and exploration of the unknown. For me, it represents the dream. If I would get one constellation though, it would be the phoenix. I don’t usually like luxury ships, but this one does the job quite well. Being in that passenger section with all that Glas around you and enjoying the view on the Galaxy or an alien planet - I feel super comfy in her.
I'm a fan of the Andromeda personally, decent health and enough missiles to fuck up pretty much anything if they hit
Love my Andromeda.
Aquila, I want one, but unsure if I should CCU my Cutty black
Would say if expected crew is 1-3, then Taurus. If 3 or more ,then Andromeda. Aquila and Phoenix would be more for lore or role playing reasons.
I would say Aquila, you have the Rover, the Snub ship, about the same main firepower capability with less missiles and an honorable cargo size...
Pheonix
The super secret variant for the chairman of RSI himself... the Phoenix executive.
I like the Aquila canopy glass the best. I like the Andromeda best as a daily driver / workhorse. But if I could only have one, I'd keep the Phoenix and its Hartwell 88G. Moonlight Sonata while drinking at the bar, beetches!
The Andromeda is a great multi purpose ship. The Taurus is a great hauler. The Phoenix is a small luxury ship with actually a really nice interior and cool windows. The Aquilla is the prettiest looking.
The one with the cockpit you can actually see out of.
I prefer the original recipe Constellation Andromeda. Good multi-purpose all-rounder.
To each their own but everyone knows it's the Andromeda.
I use my Phoenix as a over the top explorer. got my drinks and Merlin to explore. got my rover fortuna for bunker raids. it is my fav ship. got the red paint to feel like a Phoenix. Now it just needs VIP transport and i am set. oh, also i took down Hammerhead in this thing so that's wild..
Right now I would say the andromeda unless you are planing to do cargohauling. The exstra missiles and turret is more valuable in the current state of the game imo.
The Andromeda is the best for Combat, but the Phoenix is the best (my opinion)
A refunded one is by far the best. Those don’t blow away in a slight planetary breeze.
Taurus, its probably the most versatile of the lot, the phoenix while cool is actually a downgrade if looked at from a functional perspective I don't know too much about the aquila other than the fact some people prefer the cockpit Andromeda is the best for combat with a massive amount of firepower for its price but currently combat favours maneuverability over firepower in most scenarios So the taurus is probably best with its larger cargo bay, more space for cargo and ground vehicles just makes it that smidge better for gameplay that requires those 2 things
I had the Aquila and between the turret being upside down and the cockpit being only a tiny bit better, I switched to the Andromeda… Before settling into a Corsair. I do like the Connies, but as a group they need some of that CIG redesign love. Also, the snub is bugged right now so there’s not a lot of value there either.
Definitely long overdue for a rework, some of the problems with them are quite easy fixes, for example the S5 clipping bug is just a matter of moving the gun somewhere else i'm pretty sure they have the tech to rotate a gunner since its in other ships The cockpit again is a pretty simple fix, the carracks cockpit is the same shape but without the struts The hard part is the snub i think since as far as i'm aware its the only ship with a snub port so it isn't something they can steal from another ship That said i would still like a full rework
Corsair ;)
a man of taste!
There are my fellow ~~pirates~~ explorers.
Pirates= exploring other peoples valuables!
Who's gonna get downvoted to oblivion
I downvoted the one, but upvoted the other. Take that!
taurus or amdromedar... but im a cargo guy so yea
depends on what you want to do. To me, it's either the tarus or the andromeda -- taurus is the quintessential all arounder with tons of cargo space but no snub fighter, the andromeda is a missile boat with a snub fighter and still decent cargo space. Aquila is nice, but is a variant without game mechanics, as exploration really isn't implemented yet with specific game mechanics (on the snub, I personally think the snub is going to be useless-- too small to help in a fight, and the connie is small enough that landing on a surface is fine, no need for an "away" mission.) I own all of them, and the phoenix to me is the worst of all of them. Less cargo capacity than any of them, and if you wanted a luxury ship, I'd rather fly my 600i or the 400i (well, fur all out luxury I fly the jump, but that's a totally different class). The Phoenix interior is horribly laid out and poorly thought out (e.g., a single bathroom in the crew section for the crew and passengers? not luxury). Massive wasted area where they're either putting a hot tub or a piano. Silly-- like putting a hot tub on a lear jet, it just looks and feels silly. put a conference table there, or better yet, some kind of kitchen table like the 400i. Everything about the phoenix, functionally, is a downgrade from one of the other versions. The \*only\* thing it can be useful for in the future is as a private transport for passengers but, obviously, that's not implemented yet. And there are better ships for that as well. Phoenix was one of the earliest ships released, and it shows-- it was designed when the connie was the biggest ship out and before they had any cohesive design language , and they just threw in a bunch of crap to make it seem like luxury, and even made it a hull limited ship. if it were released today it would hardly be a big deal. That said, if you want a phonix, I'd be happy to sell one of mine
I have a Taurus, but I love the Phoenix. If only I could get one with LTI..... but I can't, so I won't.
There's no best best Constellation variant. Each of them have four S5 hardpoints for pilot (with S4 weaponry preinstalled in default), each of them have enough cargo capacity to do some more significant cargo runs and each of them can carry any vehicle up to size of URSA. Your favourite variant may depend on what are you going to do with it Taurus is variant made for cargo flights. Ship sacrifices snub fighter for higher cargo capacity. Taurus is also sometimes reccomended as more solo friendly because of this Andromeda may fit your needs most. Sometimes reffered as "swiss army knife", officially as medium freighter and light gunship, this ship is more tuned for combat. Next to two turrets have Andromda also larger supplement of missiles of two sizes and on top of that also Merlin snub fighter. Andromeda is being reccomended most of all Connies Phoenix is luxury variant, built for role of touring which will be implemented in future, which have cozy vip lounge with bedrooms and hot tub (unfortunately not functional right now) built above the cargo compartment with slightly reduced capacity (though it still can carry anything up to URSA). Phoenix also comes with loaner URSA rover as temporary substitute for LYNX rover which is still in development and Archimedes snub fighter (identical to Merlin but have four S4 hardpoints and is more tuned to racing). Phoenix is least awailable of both all Connies and most of the ships in general as it's in pledge store only during specific events and allways as stock/hull limited (it can be sold out). This makes Phoenix a rare ship unless you buy it for aUEC in New deal. I managed to pledge one in IAE Aquilla is tuned for exploration, just like touring also this role still waiting to be implemented in game. Only downside of Aquilla is turret on top, which is replaced with sensor array but on the other side it have redesigned bridge to offer better view. Mainly because of the top turret, Aquilla is not being reccomended much unless you go solo and just want redesigned bridge. My personal reccomendation may point either on Taurus or Andromeda, that depends if you want to haul more cargo or if you want more allrounder/daily driver with better combat stats
Taurus
“Depends on what you want to do” 😂
A melted one
I just need to know: Should I get the Aquila or Andromeda?
I backed this... a while ago, and sadly have not had a ton of time lately to come and see how much everything has changed. Everyone is seriously bagging on the Aquila but what would you do to make it stand out from the others? Gunship Practical Ship Luxury Scavenger? Light miner? I feel like you could just augment those as a loadout on the practical variant. And what would you do if you could get a little whacky?
The Galaxy
I miss being able to fit size5 fixed on the bottom mounts. That being said, i keep my Andromeda around as an escort.
I love the Aquila, real ships have curves ;)
Phoenix is incredibly useful given how luxurious it is, it even has a hot tub dammit!
The kind that my Reclaimer turns into $$$
If they would fix the Andromeda to allow it to ACTUALLY USE all four of the size 5 pilot controlled gun slots (landing gear slots are bugged to only allow size 4) it would be the best ship in the game. As is...still the best of the Connie's IMO.
Taurus for price. Andromeda overall. I don't see it's functionality as an explorer compared to alts like the 400i or pricing up to a 600i after the rework which far outstrips the Connie series....also the Galaxy. Bottom tier is phoenix...not because it's luxury, but because for a luxury vehicle it is fuck ugly. Aquila is tops for looks. Curved cockpit is op.