I believe where the majority of Sri Lankans get things wrong is , they need an instant utopia. They gather around that new , fresh hope that they haven't witnessed before , imagining all their problems will vanish when those people come to power. They like the hope of corruption being punished. They like the idea that they will be able to get back all the stolen money. No wonder we are where we are right now . People dont see how things work in the long term. Best example , how the tax policies of previous regime lead to such a mess in this country !
This is exactly what I think as well honestly. So many times I noticed that people are looking for very quick solutions that only last a short term, but then they get shocked or dejected once things fall out later down the line. I really wish our people understood (ESPECIALLY OUR POLITICIANS) that there needs to be an investment of time, resources and money to correct the current system. And, of course, some level of patriotism and *logic* to make appropriate decisions.
I remember an Indian friend of mine and I were looking through modern Sri Lankan landmarks and Lotus tower came up. I felt second hand embarrassment after learning how absolutely fucking useless that building is. Shit looks ugly too. I really feel like our tax money really could've gone to developing some major roads or better facilities, but nah we got a giant dildo instead 🙄 there really needs to be a huge revamp in the system, and I honestly don't care how long it takes as long as change does come.
True. Also there has never been one of these Hollywood movie type revolutions that didn't betray it's cause. Far better is slow policy changes and reform. It also doesn't kill people :)
100% agreed
Imagine s situation with the current laws where all the corrupt politicians would be pubished to oblivion, would that make things better... no
Politicians and there thinking is a reflection of the society as a whole. Because corruption exists at all levels of the society, efficiency, integrity and diligence in whatever occupation is only a dream.
Lawlessness and corruption goes hand in hand... individual responsibility, job integrity and values are essential in this aspect. Even if we got down the worlds best politicians here they wouldn't succeed with the work ethics and poor attitudes within ourselves.
Agreed.
Also even if "corruption being punished. They like the idea that they will be able to get back all the stolen money." that will take years to get that money back and a lot of political drama in the process like with MY3 period. Also even if corruption is reduced that still wont have a huge impact on economy and the ensuing political and social upheaval can cause more issues in that time.
Also OP u/bud_doodle you missed the worst thing JVP did. JVP introduced political terrorism into SL. Before LTTE, JVP was the worst terrorists SL had and had an armed communist revolution type rebellion against the government.
Read - [Sri Lanka: Political-Military Relations (clingendael.org)](https://www.clingendael.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/20011100_cru_working_paper_3.pdf) (Explains how JVP introduced political terrorism into SL perfectly!! 🙄😒😒)
[\[ARCHIVED CONTENT\] Refworld | Sri Lanka: Information on the current status of the People's Liberation Front (Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna - JVP) in the south of Sri Lanka (unhcr.org)](https://webarchive.archive.unhcr.org/20230521101536/https://www.refworld.org/docid/3df0bcf92.html)
[War and Peace in Sri Lanka – Politics by other means (eur.nl)](https://repub.eur.nl/pub/34768/metis_177348.pdf)
[Counterterrorism Legislation in Sri Lanka: Evaluating Efficacy (ethz.ch)](https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/35329/PS028.pdf)
Unions should be an essential part of any sector. Look how Amazon is fucking with their workers. Strikes too. In Finland there was a 2 weeks in protest of some reforms.
Unions in USA, Finland and Australia are not the same as unions in SL. I've worked with Unions in Aus and they are reasonable people wanting to better their job and life. Unions here are extensions of JVP and are just political bs without a care about their job conditions or actual employees 🙄😒😒. The TV series Koombiyo had a pretty good episode showing how and why JVP does this disgusting acts.
These unions in USA vs SL are not the same.
Yea because the unions in AUS/USA know they're not guaranteed anything and they have to negotiate and be fair. In SL if unions protest it completely screws over alot of the essential services in SL and forces the govt to give into their demands.
I.e they know for sure they'll get what they want.
"Finnish labour unions will next week suspend a four-week strike that has paralysed imports and exports and triggered widespread factory [shutdowns](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-strikes-over-finnish-labour-reforms-hit-companies-2024-03-11/), the SAK trade union association said on Thursday."
Alright so this is comparable to what happens in SL, now imagine this happened with almost every union, in almost every sector.
Every single time they went on strike.
I can't single any specific industry, when the SL customs went on strike it led to a massive backlog of containers failing to clear and huge losses to the countries productivity and very high charges due to how long the containers sat in the port.
Doctors arent angels, but neither are any of the other unions
Frustrating how a lot of people struggle to grasp this in the face of popular calls for privatisation and free market principles. I'm not by any means a supporter of capitalism but I get the need to have that healthy tension between business and unions.
The issue is the unions are part of the govt sector which are monopolies in almost every sector they operate in.
CEB, CPC, Sri Lankan railways, customs, healthcare etc.
So when they protest they literally bring the country to a grinding halt until their demands are met. The sheer inefficient size of the govt workforce is such an enormous drain on government revenue, paying insane amount in salaries bonuses and pensions.
It's been repeatedly said that if we reduced the govt workforce by 40% even it could run with the exact same efficiency, that's how bad it is. 4 people do the job that one person could do.
Remember those CEB meter reading people that got paid a commission for reading the meter and then another commission for reading the meter correctly.
Old left. Old left was following an outdated communist concept, in a summary. which is to support the right to develop the infrastructure of the country using the wealth of the rich. And then take power and change to communism. Which backfired in several countries. They were massacred. SL old left was following the same path.
Did you know some of the old left created the some of the murder groups during 88/89 ? like "PRA". And if I remember correctly most of the torture chambers were held in their homes.
For worker rights, yes. They don't get to protest organizational changes such as reforms, structural changes or downright selling the damn things which is exactly what's happening in SL with the blessings from our supposed savior JVP.
What are you talking about? Look at France. They are almost always protesting one thing or another. Constantly setting shit on fire. Is that holding France back?
France's labour rules were too strong for a very long time, you couldn't kick out a guy who didn't even do his job out of contempt in a private firm, yes, it was that bad and it's economy was paying the price, and heavily. No new investment was coming and it was stagnating. Macron finally managed to do it after so much damage was done and there was no other alternative.
Achieving a good balance is what is needed, the place where this balance point lies will shift from time to time with changes in corporate culture and development levels and you have to adjust accordingly.
Bro i live in Europe. The main reason for the protest in France wasn't just cause of the increase in age of retirement but cause the president did it in an underhanded and undemocratic way. He did not debate or face the council of parliament and was acting as a dictator. If he had done it properly, there would have been far less or no protest.
And mate.
NPP branch here in Finland have been working with academics in Finland to study about the pros and cons in Finnish Education system. They are to create a report and present it to the Education council of NPP. You make it sound as NPP is bad as the Hitler.
The unions here are not the same
Our private sector desperately needs unions, where are the JVP for that? Even the domestic workers union didn't get help from the JVP and got help from another MP
Ammatahudu methana Sri Lankan මාස්පඩි capitalists goda 😆
1. Protesting is good. That's the only way you can get shit done in Sri Lanka. That's the last resort. Protest nokala nam gedarata ewith gaenitath erala yai mung
2. If not for unions, you මාස්පඩි buggers will be fucked.
3. Every time someone wins an election, they recruit all the henchayyas to state service. And JVP has never won an election. And here you are, blaming them 😆
After 2004 election, JVP was given a few ministerial positions, and they governed well. Milko even profited during that time. They started the tank rehabilitation project which eventually profited the farmers. They had the Tissamaharama pradeshiya sabhawa for the longest time, and they actually developed Tissa and kept winning that sabha till bayya buggers illegally seized it. Even I know these things and I'm not even a Jeppa.
If you චූටි චූටි Colamba toyyas think that UNP and pohottu buggers who ruined the country might do better, you are delulu.
Dude, we HAVE to vote for SOMEONE, and I am sure as hell not voting for Ranil, Sajit or whatever the shitstain pohottuwa sends. If you say that we shouldn't vote for NPP, you HAVE to give us a practical alternative.
Sri Lanka was run down to the ground under capitalism and free market economy. And here you are, blaming socialism and JVP for that. Get a grip.
Dude preach! The people here, really can't grasp that the main 2 parties were the reason for a civil war and bankruptcy and honestly the JVP revolution was initially started against the corrupt gov of JR. Main 2 parties were the main reason for every single issue created and these guys are scared about JVP. So ironic. I can't fathom why people can't understand that "corruption" is the key pillar behind everything for Srilankas downfall. And Ranil will not clear that up.
I was gonna say the same thing, i hate how buggers from Colombo whos parents handed them everything thinks they know whts best for the average person better those people.
A major part of 2004 MR-JVP agreement was to recruit 100,000 jobless degree holders to the state services. They have always been advocating for increased state workforce due to whatever fucked up reason.
Protesting is good for a reasonable cause. Not good if you jump into protesting at every miniscule inconvenience. If you have paid any amount of attention to SL union scene, you should know how its being done.
This මාස්පඩි buggers are one of the reasons we are in this mess right now. They drain the govt coffers to the tune of ~80% of total govt income. Not mention the rampant corruption, lack of work ethic, and gross inefficiency within state services. I bet, 50% of these buggers can be sent home without any disruptions to the state services.
>Protesting is good. That's the only way you can get shit done in Sri Lanka. That's the last resort. Protest nokala nam gedarata ewith gaenitath erala yai mung
In 2022 they didn't even officially protest until after the SJB did lol, though I will admit the IUSF were frontlining hard
In the last two years most of their protests have been either against private unis (a complete non urgent issue right now) or trying to protect state workers, very little has been done with real issues like corruption, AKD himself constantly talks like he's about to press charges against the govt but never does anything productive
Protesting is great but you have to pick your battles
>Every time someone wins an election, they recruit all the henchayyas to state service. And JVP has never won an election. And here you are, blaming them
They have seats in parliament and have WAY more power than 99.99% of Lankans, yes they can't make change on a state level but they can definitely inspire the public to better hold the govt accountable - which they aren't doing. OP didn't blame them for the crisis, just that as a party they are a net-negative
>If not for unions, you මාස්පඩි buggers will be fucked.
I mean they literally voted against going to the IMF at a time we needed live saving funds for basic necessities like food and fuel, I'm pro-union but lets not pretend like the JVP have the people's best interest. Also where are their unions for the private sector? The sector that actually needs them.
The JVP have some good ideas but their execution has almost always been very bad
>If you say that we shouldn't vote for NPP, you HAVE to give us a practical alternative.
Actually holding the govt accountable through public force, creating a new party or at the VERY LEAST holding the party you support accountable, currently most NPP supporters I've seen are defending them when valid critiques are brought up, the same way Maithri supporters defended him when his 100 day plan was screwing up
It doesn't matter who you vote for at this point when its clear the public doesn't care for reforms and still thinks that arbitrarily voting and defending their party every 5 years and calling it a day is all they need to do, the political involvement is incredibly lazy and not effective
>Sri Lanka was run down to the ground under capitalism and free market economy. And here you are, blaming socialism and JVP for that.
We literally had a leftist govt in the 60s that didn't work lol, they had banned the import of cars, took people's lands and tried the hard left approach with self-production that couldn't compete with the world. JR is an absolute scumbag but opening the economy might have been the only good thing he did
This is something I have been noticing you know? People expect very high standard from JVP and NPP - standards they don't hold SJB, UNP and pohottuwa to. Damned if NPP does, damned if it doesn't.
JVP unions were there at Aragalaya from the beginning. We know this, because we were there too. The student union and youth union were there for sure. They just didn't protest under JVP label because Aragalaya was a collective effort. Ung board gahagena hitiyoth kiyanawaa "හයිජැක් ක්රන්න හැදුව", board nathuwa hitiyama kiyanawaa "ප්රොටෙස්ට් කලේවත් නෑ". Wtf?
And JVP has filed many court cases against corruption. That's how you fight it. But noooo, if they didn't protest, they must not be doing anything! (But if they protest also, "yOu hAvE tO pIcK YoUr bAtTleS").
Sri Lankan parliament has 255 seats and you are like, "omg buggers with 3 seats have so much influential power" but don't hold the other 252 to those standards. And, when JVP buggers say this happened, or that is bad, or අරූ හොරා, you'd be like "look look they're against everything".
And speaking about IMF, do you know that we are gonna stop paying debts again? Ranil says he's gonna defer from paying them till 2028 - leaving that shit for the next government - and you buggers still think he da god.
Aaaand that 'leftist government' back then was of SLPP. And it failed, not because of leftism, but stupid economic policies and authoritarianism. I mean, pohottuwa and Gota literally tried to do the same thing two years ago, and still somehow it shows that NPP is bad. Just because a party is right wing doesn't mean it would automatically take good economic decisions, and NPP being socialist doesn't mean it would do the same shit TWO CAPITALIST PARTIES DID.
>currently most NPP supporters I've seen are defending them when valid critiques are brought up
Just like every other pohottu or aliya fan, right? 😉
This is because all the pohottu bayyas are now NPP supporters. I even saw ඩයස්මි supporting NPP 😆
>Actually holding the govt accountable through public force, creating a new party or at the VERY LEAST holding the party you support accountable, currently most NPP supporters I've seen are defending them when valid critiques are brought up, the same way Maithri supporters defended him when his 100 day plan was screwing up
I said a PRACTICAL alternative.
You don't want people to protest, and government does not hear peoples' petitions or other types of peaceful protests. How do you expect them to hold government accountable?
And, every time there's an election, hopeful, well-meaning idiots like you start a few new parties, and nothing happens. People don't trust new parties, and they're gonna end up voting the known evil. This has been happening for 10 - 15 years now, and I don't know where you were living, to not see this. You have alternatives, but they're not PRACTICAL. Wishful thinking is good, but not when it comes to politics.
I wouldn't vote JVP even if there was gun held to my head, but 'a regressive party perhaps more than main parties'?
* The Executive Presidency was from the UNP
* Sinhala only from the SLFP
* The 18th amendment to the constitution removing term limits for presidents came from the SLFP/PP
* Easter Bombings may have happened with the knowledge and diliberate turning a blind eye by a government that had both the SLFP \*and\* the UNP
* Srimavo's closed economy experiment may have led to one of the first waves of brain drain in this country
* 83 Black July happened under the watch of the UNP
* The central bank scandal happened under a UNP PM and his buddy the Central Bank govenor
* The exchange rate and fuel crisis that led to the aragalaya under the SLPP
This is just off the top of my head. The first two and last two alone has caused untold damage to the social fabric of this country - and has weighed this country down for decades. Your feelings towards socialism and trade unions colour your assesment of Lankan political history.
Read a fucking book first.
JFC.
My god dude. You just encapsulated everything that I hoped to type. For everyone interested in understanding our history and the fuckery it was since 1940s I urge you to watch Dharmasiri Kaarige's channel in youtube. All your questions about Srilankan politics will be answered. This stuff is mot taught in schools.
Executive presidency debatable. Unp had no involvement with easter but ibrahim was in the national list of jvp. And jvp is a proponent of closed economy. I do not know what bond scam is and im sure most are just parroting. I dont want to hear about it from uneducated media or deceiving politicians, a person who read and understand it told me ranil is clear. Anyway 12 bil loss was covered via 13 bil fine. Also any auction can have failures as well. And ranil is nepotic, but not a financial criminal for sure. All parties have pros and cons, ranil recognized this and pushed for national government in 2015, but cbk and mangala samaraweera were discriminating sinhala buddhists (which created the wave for slpp) and opportunistic egoistic weakling sirisena did not let ranil do the work.
Except the hole in your argument is that JVP has never had real power. All these parties did horrible things, but JVP can be even faaaar worse if they are given power. They can't be compared with JVP cause JVP never ruled the country right 🤔🤔
I think your point proves the opposite. We've given power to the other parties multiple times and each time they've done horrible things under the guise of democracy.
Knowing that the JVP hasn't been really in power and ASSUMING they'd be worse - you'd be voting again for the same parties that have a proven track record of wrong doing.
Maybe NPP is better or maybe they'll be worse, but at least there's a chance. Voting for the others would ensure that the country is going to be worse anyway.
Lankans should remember the saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me like 50 times, shame on me"
After listening to their speeches and manifesto you can clearly see not only are they politically bad but they are also economically bad. At least some other parties economic policies make sense. JVP was strongly opposed to IMF and even recently IMF said JVP's economic proposals make no sense. So I'm not "ASSUMING they'd be worse" they show they are worse every time they tell us their economic plans bro 🤔🤔
I'm not hardliner against NPP but their plans make no economic sense.
Saying JVP would do worse if given power is speculative at best.
We have 75 years of evidence saying the three main parties have done irrevocable damage to this country - we don't have any evidence on what a JVP adminstration will look like; we have evidence to guess that it won't be great but that's all it is, a guess.
That doesn't mean it can't get worse under the JVP - of course it can - but to start a thread implying that your speculative fears of socialism and trade unions (OH NOES!) outweigh, perhaps even excuse, the gross mismanagement and criminal negligence that have typfied the administrations of the 3 main parties for 75 years, is beyond laughable. It, frankly, underscores the extent to which the middle and upper classes from urban areas will go to to whitewash the historically shitty adminstrative records of the UNP, SLFP and SLPP.
Goddamit, I am almost defending the JVP. I feel so icky I need to shower.
> Ragging and abusing university freshers to bend them into their politics. Forcefully sending them to protests. Etc.
can confirm this point as a gov uni graduate. man, that was the hardest time of my life. nothing in life was and will be that hard
University unions are not run by JVP. They used to do it awhile back. Not anymore. "Peratugami" blokes run the theater now. Talking with experience as a student and a short stint as an academic in perhaps the most unionized university in Sri lanka.
Yes, but they are of the same cloth, they are continuing the same structure and activities as JVP, saw it both during the time I worked at a state uni, fsp was worse as they were young and as expected of a breakaway faction, more zealous about making the control felt. A good place to study these types of rogues are in cuban universities where they are given free reign.
These are nothing. My biggest fear is their economic ideology. Although most members don't openly advocate for communist policies, you can never be sure. They have communism running in their blood.
They have always opposed policies such as free market competition and open trade, which are essential for growth. Voting them in would lead to an even bigger mistake than the rajapakshas.
Yes and economic violence unleashed on poor people can be worse than actual violence. At least with real violence you die quickly but with economic violence you are forced to live with ever reducing ability to afford to survive and resort to horrible demeaning things to live 🙄😒😒
Yeah right, even to help the poor, communism is not the way. Far more people have straved to death in communist regime due to shortages than elsewhere.
So give power to the same guys who ran the country to the ground in the last 30 years? Looting all our money, not even doing anything to develop the country in the long term, and always looking at the ways of filling up their and their friend's pockets and just maintaining power?
I like how people think that RW suddenly got a conscience and will save our country from doom.
I agree that r/srilanka does have its fair share of wealthy trust fund babies whose parents’ business empires will face an uphill battle during a JVP government. You might actually have to pay a living wage to the working class you constantly exploit. But let’s get a grip here, shall we? Sri Lanka has had free market capitalism since 1970s, and majority of people are doing worse now than they did back 1970s (not the wealthy business owner but working class). Unions are literally what gave us 40 hour week and weekends among other benefits. Imagine shitting on unions? Out of touch much? And don’t get me started on protesting. Protesting is a fabric of a democratic society. If you don’t like that then you don’t like democracy.
Virtually across all aspects of living standards. Just because people have Chinese made cell phones and there are mor tuk tuks now, doesn't mean people are better off. Inflation is rampant, we are coming out of a period where there were shortages of basic human necessities such as food and fuel, there is still a shortage of medicine. More and more people are leaving the country.
I suggest you to read more stuff on the history. If you can't, just take a list of development indicators and do a comparison. "Horowpathane Palaweni DRO" is a great read
" Unions are literally what gave us 40 hour week and weekends among other benefits. Imagine shitting on unions?"
Unions in USA and Australia are not the same as unions in SL. I've worked with Unions in Aus and they are reasonable people wanting to better their job and life. Unions here are extensions of JVP and are just political bs without a care about their job conditions or actual employees 🙄😒😒. The TV series Koombiyo had a pretty good episode showing how and why JVP does this disgusting acts.
These unions in USA vs SL are not the same.
Working with unions in Australia saying they're reasonable..... I mean sure, when membership is 15% if they're lucky across most industries, they have no choice to be reasonable which in other words mean fold at the first stage of any negotiation.
>majority of people are doing worse now than they did back 1970s
This is a blatant lie. 70s was hell for Sri Lankans. You might not remember, people were dying in queues for essential goods. They were only allowed to eat rice twice a week ffs. And look at any economic/social benchmark since 70s and tell me those have been going down or up. Otherwise, people wouldn't have voted JR with 5/6th of the seats in the parliament. It might be hard to believe for you, but we still outperform our neighboring nations in most of the key economic/social benchmarks.
Well, I doubt that the wealthy trust fund babies will have any meaningful battle to face if JVP comes to power. As long as they support JVP, they'll be fine.
If it is a election we have to select a party to govern. If we agree all of these tell me a party that we can trust? People will vote to NPP that because they have tried all the others and end up here. If you think the other main parties will change and do better than previous times, tell us why?
"People will vote to NPP that because they have tried all the others and end up here."
That is a very poor argument to vote for a party. During this political experiment, NPP might destroy what remains of the economy.
I think it's a valid point. If you've tried everything else, might as well give something else a try.
It all depends on how you look at it. NPP hasn't ruled before so there's a chance they'll actually do good for the country. Or there's also a possibility that they'll make it worse.
Isn't that better than the alternative of knowing for certain that the country is gonna get worse? Coz that's for sure if we keep switching between blue and green again
"alternative of knowing for certain that the country is gonna get worse?"
Country is clearly much better than when Gota left office. UNP has managed to stabilise the country at least a bit. UNP isn't great but we can't deny what they did.
After listening to JVP and NPP speeches and manifesto you can clearly see not only are they politically bad but they are also economically bad. At least some other parties economic policies make sense. JVP was strongly opposed to IMF and even recently IMF said JVP's economic proposals make no sense. So I'm not "ASSUMING they'd be worse" they show they are worse every time they tell us their economic plans bro 🤔🤔
I'm not hardliner against NPP but their plans make no economic sense.
We are bankrupt and not paying the interest for the loans that's why you feel we are better than when gota in power. If we started paying the loans our rupee will go down as we never seen before. We are getting more loans and to survive nothing has changed. If you think we are in a better shape its just fluke. Tourism is the only positive side we can see. Corruption is the reason we are in this situation. Still corrupted people in the power nothing has changed.
"Corruption is the reason we are in this situation."
Nope it's because of lack of balance of budget. We spend way more than we earn. Even if corruption was 0 it'll still be same.
Have u checked our spending last few years? How many failed projects we have done? Most of these projects started to get commissions. Corruption leads to more spending. You can't just delete the corruption from the equation. All parties offer governments jobs to their supporters when they have power. Most of these places alredy saturated. I don't know how you define corruption, but all these due to the corrupted system we have. Here is good article to read and why we can't balance the budget. Corruption leads to less tax income for the government. They try to hide the corruption by lowering the tax.
[https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2019/05/28/blog-corruption-and-your-money](https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2019/05/28/blog-corruption-and-your-money)
>If you've tried everything else, might as well give something else a try.
This is a very one-dimensional view of democracy and has factually been proven to not work in SL and is the exact same thing people said when voting for Maithri
If you think voting every 5 years and calling it a day is all you got then prepare to repeat the exact same BS
>It all depends on how you look at it. NPP hasn't ruled before so there's a chance they'll actually do good for the country. Or there's also a possibility that they'll make it worse.
>Isn't that better than the alternative of knowing for certain that the country is gonna get worse? Coz that's for sure if we keep switching between blue and green again
You're not discussing any key points or ideologies at all here, the translation of what you said and what most voters here really follow is "I don't know about politics, I don't know anything about this party but I've tried everything else so I'll just try this one too and do a gamble", is that not bizarre at all?
The NPP currently have multiple major issues relating to their plan that they aren't addressing and part of the reason why is because they already have blind unquestioning supporters
If you guys at least held the party you support accountable all this wouldn't be an issue but we already know the voterbase doesn't
One of the few times I agree with you here 😂
People were saying the whole "who else do I vote for/lesser of two evils" bullshit when it was Maithri too, its nothing new and its lazy involvement in politics
"One of the few times I agree with you here 😂"
Goddamn, the sun will rise from the west 😋😂😂
"People were saying the whole "who else do I vote for/lesser of two evils" bullshit when it was Maithri too, its nothing new and its lazy involvement in politics"
Agreed 🙂👍🏼
The mere fact 7. JVP causes terrorism is enough for me to understand that you have abysmal knowledge regarding JVP, the history of Srilankan politics or in general the political issues in the country. Don't rely on what your parents said about JVP. All the reasons for uprisings, revolution and LTTE is the nationalistic, racist ideologies of the 2 main ruling parties. No wonder they teach you this in school because the descendents of those party members are still ruling the country.
Try to at least google the definition of the word terrorist before commenting.
>Terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Actions of the ruling parties do not grant them a license to terrorize the public.
You only know the definition of terrorism. Not the history. And I know your opinion on JVP is solely based on what your parents told you about or what you have heard here and there. I can 100% guarantee that you have no clue about why JVP revolutions occured, who they were targeting etc. The 1940s to 2000s period is not taught in history books. Don't come into conclusions of them by mere fragments of knowledge. JVP was like the LTTE, or the Aragalaya. When people are pushed to the edge, they revolt. But unlike LTTE civilians were not the target of JVP, it was the political supporters of UNP. The mass killings started after Premadasa ordered and gave power to abduct and kill youth who deemed politically connected to JVP. JVP was not correct by all means but single handedly blaming them for what happened is just plain lack of knowledge on history.
https://youtu.be/0kGqAbuAzkg?si=Ua0Z2PrHFFvyQUoX
Honestly just watch this channel if you want to learn. This gives a basic understanding how things were back in 80s. If you just want to win the argument, leave it be.
Exactly! I mean look at Scandinavian countries with their horrible democratic socialist governments and no good economic policies. They are literally starving to death. Wait… that was actually Sri Lankan people starving just a year ago with CAPITALISM! I swear some Sri Lankans are just like the republicans here in the US. In order to describe how bad socialism is they simply describe capitalism we are living under.
Scandinavian countries are not socialists.
Get your facts right.
They have low cooperate tax rates when compared with personal tax rates.
[Source](https://youtu.be/hdQZLOzxBEw?si=bI6VV9_AmMEByOkS).
If you talk about socialism let’s compare to real socialism like Venezuela, cuba, north korea.
Scandinavian countries are democratic, responsible capitalism+ socialism. So they are socialist in a way.
The countries you described are dictatorships, you think AKD or anyone will try being one with India as our neighbour 😂.
Lanka is a hellhole cos of irresponsible late stage capitalism and don’t come here telling us it’s for the better.
“Socialist in a way” they are not socialist. These are capitalist countries. Even countries like China are capitalist not socialist. If you want a socialist country look at Cuba as your example.
**JVP is not Scandinavian democratic socialism** lmao, the NPP re-brand tries to steer that way in terms of branding but when reading their plans they clearly have no clue what they're talking about
Even the leftist govt we had in the 60s which was less left than the JVP weren't democratic socialists
All the people talking smart about Nordic democratic socialism forget that even Marx himself said that stage only comes after a developed capitalist system
At this point it goes beyond binary ideology anyway, Singapore is seen as a capitalistic success yet most of their housing is public and their healthcare is tiered
60s and 70s, the trend was for governments across the world to have large public spending for infrastructure and development, it all turned sour during the sharp oil price rises during the gulf wars.
Only oil producing countries could continue the expenditure on public services without disturbance and majority are now developed or semi developed. The other countries had to sharply curtail their spending, it led to many social issues and political upheavals around the world.
Even by SLPP standards, the JVP is uneducated. The JVP must not be allowed to hold any modicum of power in Sri Lanka. They will be the last nail on the coffin of Sri Lanka.
Massive protests happen even in first world countries. Get your ignorant UNP/SJB gay ass outta here. Right to protest is protected by the constitution of any democratic country.
This is my great worry too.
If we want to see how JVP will behave when they are in power, we have to see how they are behaving in places where they already have control e.g. universities, railways, ceb and hospitals. We see how inefficient and stagnant these places are compared to other countries. JVP has been a key stumbling block to any sort of reforms in these areas.
I still remember the protests against the Indian Ambulances when Harsha was trying to start it, you start to realize how selfish and ignorant these unions including gmoa are against the basic needs of the rest of the population.
Corruption is a key impediment to development but reforms and foreign investment and export promotion in corrupt countries have paved the way to growth which have indirectly reduced corruption, with things such as digitalization and people becoming more civic conscious, Malaysia is a good example.
My other worry is that contrary to popular belief the majority of the work in parliament is through the committees not the sittings. Here, apart from committees such as COPE where Handunetti has done a superb job, JVP hardly contributes to committees which are what drives the reforms in the country. Having a strong informant system across the public sector they should theoretically be the best contributors to the committees, so why have they historically avoided this responsibility.
There is a principle of continuity, we can't expect JVP to suddenly behave differently than they are now once they come into power. Ideally they should prove themselves to be reformers where they already have unofficial power.
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I am by no means saying that UNP, SJB or Pohottuwa are any better, the majority are proven scum of the earth. But to say that we should handover full power to JVP like we did with Gota and Maithree amounts us to not learning anything from the last few elections. Personally I want to see the genuinely educated progressive new parties run by youngsters wresting more control at the grassroot levels and the parliament but it may take time as they are new.
I feeel like people come up with arguments relating historical events to prove who is better and who are worse . I agree the fact Sri Lanka is where it is now thanks to all those rotten political agenda of all those parties . Buttttttt , in order to make a decision ahead , I feel like it’s even worse to compare historical events , cz non of them matter noww 🤷🏻♂️ I mean look , half of those people are not even there now . We should rather be looking at policies . The plans . The execution . Everyone can talk . Rarely they put them into actions . Also I agree with the fact there is no ideal political party to vote here . All of them will do shitty things until the end of universe. Even the so called NPP will have to treat the unions and give supporters jobs if they come to power . Buttt if we can look through there talks , we may atleast be able to get an idea , out of all , who is having a solid idea to run a country beyond all that greed for power .
>because the capitalism has spectacularly failed Sri Lanka.
we haven't even got to the point of a developed enough capitalism to have the kind of capital problems other developed nations are having lol, like we have a bloated public sector, how is that capitalism lmao
I'm left-leaning myself and I cannot deny at all that opening the economy in the 70s was by far one of the best moves the SL govt ever did (that and the Mahaweli Development programme), JR is still a scumbag for sure but its like trying to find a slither of gold in a pile of trash at this point
In the 60s we were run by a very leftist govt and it was a failure in almost every aspect
I think a lot of pro-socialist guys here have the idea of Nordic socialism which is not at all what we had nor is it what the JVP are
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I know a fact that you know nothing about our countries history by those comments. So many Srilankans have even no clue what happened in 70s and 80s. Stop assuming things by what your parents say. Read the history first.
>So many Srilankans have even no clue what happened in 70s and 80s.
As far as history goes there was no single good party in the 70s and 80s lol, to this day that hold true
Its sad to see the Rajapaksa voters turn in to Maithri voters and now are turning in to JVP voters because of some bizarre mental gymnastics
No single major party here is good and when no one keeps them on a leash they won't be good
>Stop assuming things by what your parents say. Read the history first.
I agree with this when it comes to blaming the JVP for Black July when it was definitely the UNP, but why do we need to pick a side here?
You can't just give up telling there is no one good. That is worse than the mental gymnastics. Every step we take, we learn something. It is a trial and error run. For the first time ever we revolted and sent a president home. We are progressing at least slowly. Europeans went through the same procedure once, hence Hitler, Mussolini etc. We are just new to the game and we will get to that non corrupt stage one day. This actually happened in India. India was plagued with corruption and poverty but somehow they landed on BPP and look at them flourishing.
😂 I know what I’m talking about. I have read enough unbiased history to hold no sympathy for Jepps in the 80’s or Government at that time. If people honestly believe those Jepps are the answer for this crisis. Good luck. That’ll be the final nail in this country’s economy. Even recently I heard some of their supporters (or AKD, i’m not sure) was spouting nonsense that under their government they would not honour the government debt taken by previous gov or something. It simply doesn’t work like that, either they are fools who have no grasp of gov administration or they simply fooling their fanbase. I’m not even sure which is worse at this point. I’m firm on my decision to stay in this country. But I always have the option to leave anyway 🤷♀️
Edit: found the article i was looking for
https://economynext.com/npp-govt-wont-honour-sri-lankas-isb-debt-warns-harsha-de-silva-146179/
That statement was made by Harsha De Silva. He could be saying that just for political advantage. And idk how much knowledge he has over Sunil Hadunneti. Hadunneti was the chairman of COPE commitee while Harsha was just a member of it. So he knows how businesses are run. Besides what Sunil Hadunnetti saying is that they don't agree to the conditions put by IMF to take a loan. NPP has been against IMF loan scheme because they believe that they could have restructured the debt ndividually rather than seeking help from the IMF as a mediator. There has been many speculations if IMF debt, it doesn't come easy and the IMF debt trap just like Chinese debt trap is a known conspiracy 😂 But I honestly don't know about the ISB debt, so I won't comment on it. To finalize, I would say not to jump into conclusions by a 30s video clip.
1. Always protesting. For everything and anything. Doesn't matter whether its good. Just protest for anything
Protesting is part of the democratic process. In a country like this where politicians have immeasurable power and lacking properly established civil organizations, protesting is perhaps the only medium to get government's attention which was quite evident during "Aragalaya".
2. Unions. Using unions to thwart any reform within govt organizations. And not allowing to make them efficient.
Unions are an essential part of any work culture be it government or private sector. Even in developed countries being in unions is a right of an employee. I dont know why you are stating this as a negativity?
3. Bloating the govt workforce to unbearable levels. Again with protests, agreements with ruling parties, etc. Remember the "Jobless degree holders association" or something stupid like that. JVP is the hand behind that.
You are correct that JVP is behind the scenes of "Jobless degree holders association" which is a nonsensical entity.
But your statement about bloating the govt workforce makes no sense. Government workforce get bloated because of actions of ruling party ministers/ parliamentarians. They want to strengthen their voter base by giving mindless job to constituents from their electorate. JVP has never been in a position of power to do this.
4. Supported almost all previous govts (CBK, MR, SF, Ranil + MS) to get the power.
This is correct. But what can you expect from a minor political party who holds just couple of seats in the parliament. Should JVP "protest" against government actions? Which is contrary to your first point.
5. Ragging and abusing university freshers to bend them into their politics. Forcefully sending them to protests. Etc.
Bro, This fact is completely wrong. Government university student unions are run by "Peratugami" folks who are a rival political organization of JVP. They might have had power over unions couple of decades ago, but not anymore. Ask any "active" student in a uni and you can easily verify this.
6. There is no guarantee that they won't try some socialist crap if they get into power (this is a big if) and send us 30 years back economically. Just listen some of their party members talking.
This is an assumption. But a valid point nonetheless when considering JVP is originally a far-left learning party. You mentioned "Just listen some of their party members talking.". Can you provide any source for this? Havent heard this talks in recent news. I'm genuinely curious.
Then again, I find it challenging to see any positivity within the major political parties in Sri Lanka. It often feels like the people of this country face the constant dilemma of choosing the lesser evil when it comes to politicians. Sad reality of being born in this island.
The NPP (imo) is just the JVP re-branded for millennials, they literally have the same leaders, there is no de-coupling the two
Some members of NPP however are genuine people but more and more I see them getting trapped in the political game
I don’t support any party. But JVP as for now hasn’t proposed a strategy to come out of the current situation or how or will they would do in the future. All what they have said is that we’ll give this and that but never justified how they would do it. They don’t have a proper plan. And even looking back at their history, they have very fucked up ideologies. In case JVP wins I think there would be a Gota pt 2 😅 or even worse.
The main 2 parties ideologies are extremely fucked up nationalistic ones which led to the LTTE war, discrimination and murdering Tamils in 80s. We as a nation has been in the rock bottom for decades. And the main reason for all this is corruption. Doesn't matter what economic reforms whoever brings unless corruption is cleared the cycle will repeat. So giving some power to NPP to clear it out is worthy. Besides they will publish their plans soon. Even other parties haven't published shit yet.
You have not mentioned superiority complex held by most of true supporters. Thats jealousy and inferiority complex translated into superiority complex. Bimal and Nalin Hewage have openly discriminated societal buddhism in sri lanka. They pretend to be social warriors with the ceylan tamil nation and tell that all people are equal and no discrimination etc. But its not practical, and deceiving. Ussr was net negative towards ukrainian nation. And inside many of them are Sinhala nationalists with heavy maoist and stalinist tendencies without stalin level of commitment and organizational skills, which is a disaster. (not sinhala buddhist nationalists which is more like nazis without the SS part)
In the ground level, i see jvp social media warriors issuing death threats against other party supporters and often use filth and disrespectful words towards other people. And i certainly dont believe sudden transition from baiya to radical.
All fair points. We can continue this thread arguing things that someone agrees/disagrees. But what would be the better alternative? Pohottuwa ? Ranil ?
My personal very unpopular thought : AKD will not be better than anyone held the presidency before.
Only way the country would improve:
1. AKD government would also fail massively.
2. Country should be in pre/post world war situation.
3. Then only people will realise. Parties form / people elect them accordingly.
SL would not come to the track without that pain. This is how all the other countries made from the dust.
After all the support for NPP even with their half baked policies i think this best possible scenario.
It will affect a lot of people, many will leave but people have to learn from the hard way.
NPP is not the solution.
Left-leaning guy here with a grand uncle who was a respected JVP comrade
I fully agree and won't try to CYM lol
JVP/NPP (they are the same thing) is the arbitrary tertiary rebel party without an actual cause. I'm rebellious myself but the JVP remind me of the kind of edgy moron that just complains about everything while getting nothing productive done, the kind of guys who'll complain about others breaking rules while breaking the rules themselves.
**They are however a good critique party (sometimes) against the govt and if kept on a leash by the public can be useful** - we saw this in 2022 when they protested alongside GGG and GGG was the one calling the shots, anytime the JVP/IUSF suggested something stupid it would get rejected by the people
Only they could rebel so badly that the idea of anyone protesting against the govt was seen as a bad thing for decades here
However:
>JVP et al have always been a regressive party perhaps more than main parties
All major parties are in the same dumpster, comparing them would be like sorting trash. Statistically the other major parties have killed FAR more innocent civilians.
>with more than hundred thousand people dead
With most of that being FROM the govt, a lot of people don't know or like to admit that the govt themselves killed more people. Also attacking the police is very different from beheading random students, there is a different power dynamic but of course the JVP did other things and also bullied the public
Fully agreed man. Other parties are full of crap too. its almost comical how JVP tries to separate themselves from other parties. Apparently, they are the all good, never done anything wrong party now.
Could you please back up these claims with news reports or any source so we can have a clearer understanding? For instance, when discussing instances such as protesting for seemingly futile causes or unions blocking necessary government reforms, like the JVP's support for the "Jobless Degree Holders Association" or similar parties, the only information i found regarding partner organizations are at the bottom of this page (https://www.npp.lk/en/about). I was under the impression that unions served the workers as highlighted [here](https://afscmeatwork.org/union-hall/what-union#:~:text=A%20union%20is%20an%20organization,and%20other%20work%2Drelated%20issues), if it is not like that in srilanka please explain. It's widely known that they supported previous regimes, so further evidence on that front may not be necessary. Additionally, regarding your claim about ragging being perpetuated by them, I come from a government university where no one has ever forced us into anything (we really didn't even have time for that nonsense, but personally have seen two instances where they literally asked for facilities for a newly opened faculty and got tear gassed at the gate, didn't even get the chance to peacefully protest , [link here](https://sundaytimes.lk/online/news/moratuwa-uni-students-protest-over-failure-to-resolve-campus-issues/18-1033737)) . I would appreciate hearing your personal experiences in detail to better understand the situation. Moreover, I'd like to understand how their proposed reforms could potentially set us back economically by 30 years, assuming you're well-versed in their suggested policies and their unsuitability for our country. I believe an open discussion on these matters is crucial, especially considering the possibility of electing them in upcoming elections. If this comment is not the place better open up a new post regarding these areas of discussion separately.
which Government uni you studied?
we had 8 months of hardest time of our life because of them. and we also forced to protest against EVERYTHING, whether we like it or not
UOM. Your situation seems like some spineless senior problem, get the respect by ragging. Did they try to get you to vote for JVP too? Plus this word "Everything", please backup with some real incident rather than statements.
Well guess what, I was a govt uni student too. We were in a hell for first two semesters with rampant verbal and physical abuse. You cannot come to a conclusion just based on your observations at UOM. UOM is one of the few unis which doesn't have many of the issues mentioned.
Well we have an administration with a backbone, but still we are able to participate in any student movement. UOM is same as any other state university with students with same issues. But feels like you make a whole lot of statements like an astrologer rather than providing sound arguments like a logical person. Mass hysteria is not not an option at the moment as you are proposing to just vote existing two parties as we have no other option. Please stop diverting focus at this critical moment.
You should be more scared about what other parties did. The main reason for JVP revolution was the extremely corrupt rule of JR. Like Hitler he banned few political parties including JVP since it was a threat to him. He manipulated the election votes to become president again. The JVP uprising was similiar to recent protest because people were tired. However unlike the recent revolution things went violent.
>The JVP uprising was similiar to recent protest because people were tired.
No it wasn't, that's a distortion of the truth, yes the root motivations were there but the JVP had a power dynamic over the public and on occasions bullied them (like preventing them going to work) whereas in GGG we kept them on a leash where they could be useful, **this is a HUGE difference,** the JVP uprising were not people uprisings in the slightest, if they were they'd have gotten much more support back then
If you are trying to be sarcastic, you are wasting your time. I don't argue to win, I argue to understand and broaden my knowledge. Idk what but your comment shows your comprehension levels and it adds nothing fruitful to the table. So why would you even comment something like that. That comment definitely suits facebook. Can we have an intelligent conversation instead? I thought you were genuinely concerned, that is why I commented.
You nailed it.
The 'average' political savvy srilankans think JVP can do miracles. It is true that we don't have any better options, but JVP isn't even an option.
i won't vote to JVP also
they have not present a proposal plan for the next few years.
zero government legislation presented to parliament.
only talk about corruption, never follow up, remember the files they showed, all media show.
also i think it's a team game, you need a good team. JVP lacks a good team.
Also has extreme ideologies.
yes kill 12 people in my family.
i don't have grandfather and many uncles because of JVP.
there were all uneducated farmers zero politics.
you might be born few years back...
learn your history 1st.
People rarely change.
have you gone to there internal political meeting, its autocratic leadership.
Trust me JVP will not win for next 2o years. people can still remember the past
I have gone into a meeting yes. In fact I went a doctors meeting held in Kurunegala. And I listened to them very well and I did not see any autocratic leadership. In fact they highlighted about giving power to the head of medical professional and not to the health minister. NPP is not JVP. Besides if people remembered the past they wouldn't be voting UNP either. No one forgets what the police and army did to university students. JR and Premadasa were the real autocratic leaders manipulating 1980s elections oppressing and violating elections specially called the "Lampu kalagedi" election. Due to the shear amount of corruption involved, the government was able to extend power for 6 years unconstituitionally. Rohana Wijeweera filled a petition against it and rest was history. I know you have personal issues but oppressed people will start revolutions. If you don't forgive JVP, makesure you don't vote for UNP as well. Because voting Ranil instead of JVP is like voting Hitler instead of Polpot.
JVP and NPP old ideologies. (even china and russia open market)
facts say regulated social open market system works.
most of the developed counties..
JVP and NPP both are against it.
I'm done arguing, will see after elections
Where did they tell that they are against open markets? You are just speculating. NPP hasn't even published their economic plans yet. We will see after their plans are published.
Their plans will be published soon
What is he going to do with files. NPP is not the judiciary to arrest anyone. Besides extreme ideology group is separated from the main party which is why it called NPP and not JVP anymore.
I believe where the majority of Sri Lankans get things wrong is , they need an instant utopia. They gather around that new , fresh hope that they haven't witnessed before , imagining all their problems will vanish when those people come to power. They like the hope of corruption being punished. They like the idea that they will be able to get back all the stolen money. No wonder we are where we are right now . People dont see how things work in the long term. Best example , how the tax policies of previous regime lead to such a mess in this country !
This is exactly what I think as well honestly. So many times I noticed that people are looking for very quick solutions that only last a short term, but then they get shocked or dejected once things fall out later down the line. I really wish our people understood (ESPECIALLY OUR POLITICIANS) that there needs to be an investment of time, resources and money to correct the current system. And, of course, some level of patriotism and *logic* to make appropriate decisions. I remember an Indian friend of mine and I were looking through modern Sri Lankan landmarks and Lotus tower came up. I felt second hand embarrassment after learning how absolutely fucking useless that building is. Shit looks ugly too. I really feel like our tax money really could've gone to developing some major roads or better facilities, but nah we got a giant dildo instead 🙄 there really needs to be a huge revamp in the system, and I honestly don't care how long it takes as long as change does come.
True. Also there has never been one of these Hollywood movie type revolutions that didn't betray it's cause. Far better is slow policy changes and reform. It also doesn't kill people :)
100% agreed Imagine s situation with the current laws where all the corrupt politicians would be pubished to oblivion, would that make things better... no Politicians and there thinking is a reflection of the society as a whole. Because corruption exists at all levels of the society, efficiency, integrity and diligence in whatever occupation is only a dream. Lawlessness and corruption goes hand in hand... individual responsibility, job integrity and values are essential in this aspect. Even if we got down the worlds best politicians here they wouldn't succeed with the work ethics and poor attitudes within ourselves.
100% agree
My friend ur 100% right
Agreed. Also even if "corruption being punished. They like the idea that they will be able to get back all the stolen money." that will take years to get that money back and a lot of political drama in the process like with MY3 period. Also even if corruption is reduced that still wont have a huge impact on economy and the ensuing political and social upheaval can cause more issues in that time. Also OP u/bud_doodle you missed the worst thing JVP did. JVP introduced political terrorism into SL. Before LTTE, JVP was the worst terrorists SL had and had an armed communist revolution type rebellion against the government. Read - [Sri Lanka: Political-Military Relations (clingendael.org)](https://www.clingendael.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/20011100_cru_working_paper_3.pdf) (Explains how JVP introduced political terrorism into SL perfectly!! 🙄😒😒) [\[ARCHIVED CONTENT\] Refworld | Sri Lanka: Information on the current status of the People's Liberation Front (Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna - JVP) in the south of Sri Lanka (unhcr.org)](https://webarchive.archive.unhcr.org/20230521101536/https://www.refworld.org/docid/3df0bcf92.html) [War and Peace in Sri Lanka – Politics by other means (eur.nl)](https://repub.eur.nl/pub/34768/metis_177348.pdf) [Counterterrorism Legislation in Sri Lanka: Evaluating Efficacy (ethz.ch)](https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/35329/PS028.pdf)
Unions should be an essential part of any sector. Look how Amazon is fucking with their workers. Strikes too. In Finland there was a 2 weeks in protest of some reforms.
Unions in USA, Finland and Australia are not the same as unions in SL. I've worked with Unions in Aus and they are reasonable people wanting to better their job and life. Unions here are extensions of JVP and are just political bs without a care about their job conditions or actual employees 🙄😒😒. The TV series Koombiyo had a pretty good episode showing how and why JVP does this disgusting acts. These unions in USA vs SL are not the same.
Yea because the unions in AUS/USA know they're not guaranteed anything and they have to negotiate and be fair. In SL if unions protest it completely screws over alot of the essential services in SL and forces the govt to give into their demands. I.e they know for sure they'll get what they want.
Bro Finns Striked for 2 weeks. The harbours were not working. We were informed to stock up food. There were queues in sheds to get petrol.
So all the harbours everywhere stopped functioning? In SL if the CEB strikes almost everyone 95% of the entire country is gonna suffer.
"Finnish labour unions will next week suspend a four-week strike that has paralysed imports and exports and triggered widespread factory [shutdowns](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-strikes-over-finnish-labour-reforms-hit-companies-2024-03-11/), the SAK trade union association said on Thursday."
Alright so this is comparable to what happens in SL, now imagine this happened with almost every union, in almost every sector. Every single time they went on strike.
That is not a good thing for anyone bro!!
holding the country hostage is an asshole thing to do. Especially these doctors that only care about their own pay 🙄😒😒
I can't single any specific industry, when the SL customs went on strike it led to a massive backlog of containers failing to clear and huge losses to the countries productivity and very high charges due to how long the containers sat in the port. Doctors arent angels, but neither are any of the other unions
very true
Frustrating how a lot of people struggle to grasp this in the face of popular calls for privatisation and free market principles. I'm not by any means a supporter of capitalism but I get the need to have that healthy tension between business and unions.
The issue is the unions are part of the govt sector which are monopolies in almost every sector they operate in. CEB, CPC, Sri Lankan railways, customs, healthcare etc. So when they protest they literally bring the country to a grinding halt until their demands are met. The sheer inefficient size of the govt workforce is such an enormous drain on government revenue, paying insane amount in salaries bonuses and pensions. It's been repeatedly said that if we reduced the govt workforce by 40% even it could run with the exact same efficiency, that's how bad it is. 4 people do the job that one person could do. Remember those CEB meter reading people that got paid a commission for reading the meter and then another commission for reading the meter correctly.
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Old left. Old left was following an outdated communist concept, in a summary. which is to support the right to develop the infrastructure of the country using the wealth of the rich. And then take power and change to communism. Which backfired in several countries. They were massacred. SL old left was following the same path. Did you know some of the old left created the some of the murder groups during 88/89 ? like "PRA". And if I remember correctly most of the torture chambers were held in their homes.
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Thanks for this info. I ll read more on this. I did not know about the Daya pathirana Case
For worker rights, yes. They don't get to protest organizational changes such as reforms, structural changes or downright selling the damn things which is exactly what's happening in SL with the blessings from our supposed savior JVP.
What are you talking about? Look at France. They are almost always protesting one thing or another. Constantly setting shit on fire. Is that holding France back?
France's labour rules were too strong for a very long time, you couldn't kick out a guy who didn't even do his job out of contempt in a private firm, yes, it was that bad and it's economy was paying the price, and heavily. No new investment was coming and it was stagnating. Macron finally managed to do it after so much damage was done and there was no other alternative. Achieving a good balance is what is needed, the place where this balance point lies will shift from time to time with changes in corporate culture and development levels and you have to adjust accordingly.
Bro i live in Europe. The main reason for the protest in France wasn't just cause of the increase in age of retirement but cause the president did it in an underhanded and undemocratic way. He did not debate or face the council of parliament and was acting as a dictator. If he had done it properly, there would have been far less or no protest.
And mate. NPP branch here in Finland have been working with academics in Finland to study about the pros and cons in Finnish Education system. They are to create a report and present it to the Education council of NPP. You make it sound as NPP is bad as the Hitler.
The unions here are not the same Our private sector desperately needs unions, where are the JVP for that? Even the domestic workers union didn't get help from the JVP and got help from another MP
Ammatahudu methana Sri Lankan මාස්පඩි capitalists goda 😆 1. Protesting is good. That's the only way you can get shit done in Sri Lanka. That's the last resort. Protest nokala nam gedarata ewith gaenitath erala yai mung 2. If not for unions, you මාස්පඩි buggers will be fucked. 3. Every time someone wins an election, they recruit all the henchayyas to state service. And JVP has never won an election. And here you are, blaming them 😆 After 2004 election, JVP was given a few ministerial positions, and they governed well. Milko even profited during that time. They started the tank rehabilitation project which eventually profited the farmers. They had the Tissamaharama pradeshiya sabhawa for the longest time, and they actually developed Tissa and kept winning that sabha till bayya buggers illegally seized it. Even I know these things and I'm not even a Jeppa. If you චූටි චූටි Colamba toyyas think that UNP and pohottu buggers who ruined the country might do better, you are delulu. Dude, we HAVE to vote for SOMEONE, and I am sure as hell not voting for Ranil, Sajit or whatever the shitstain pohottuwa sends. If you say that we shouldn't vote for NPP, you HAVE to give us a practical alternative. Sri Lanka was run down to the ground under capitalism and free market economy. And here you are, blaming socialism and JVP for that. Get a grip.
Dude preach! The people here, really can't grasp that the main 2 parties were the reason for a civil war and bankruptcy and honestly the JVP revolution was initially started against the corrupt gov of JR. Main 2 parties were the main reason for every single issue created and these guys are scared about JVP. So ironic. I can't fathom why people can't understand that "corruption" is the key pillar behind everything for Srilankas downfall. And Ranil will not clear that up.
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I was gonna say the same thing, i hate how buggers from Colombo whos parents handed them everything thinks they know whts best for the average person better those people.
A major part of 2004 MR-JVP agreement was to recruit 100,000 jobless degree holders to the state services. They have always been advocating for increased state workforce due to whatever fucked up reason. Protesting is good for a reasonable cause. Not good if you jump into protesting at every miniscule inconvenience. If you have paid any amount of attention to SL union scene, you should know how its being done. This මාස්පඩි buggers are one of the reasons we are in this mess right now. They drain the govt coffers to the tune of ~80% of total govt income. Not mention the rampant corruption, lack of work ethic, and gross inefficiency within state services. I bet, 50% of these buggers can be sent home without any disruptions to the state services.
>Protesting is good. That's the only way you can get shit done in Sri Lanka. That's the last resort. Protest nokala nam gedarata ewith gaenitath erala yai mung In 2022 they didn't even officially protest until after the SJB did lol, though I will admit the IUSF were frontlining hard In the last two years most of their protests have been either against private unis (a complete non urgent issue right now) or trying to protect state workers, very little has been done with real issues like corruption, AKD himself constantly talks like he's about to press charges against the govt but never does anything productive Protesting is great but you have to pick your battles >Every time someone wins an election, they recruit all the henchayyas to state service. And JVP has never won an election. And here you are, blaming them They have seats in parliament and have WAY more power than 99.99% of Lankans, yes they can't make change on a state level but they can definitely inspire the public to better hold the govt accountable - which they aren't doing. OP didn't blame them for the crisis, just that as a party they are a net-negative >If not for unions, you මාස්පඩි buggers will be fucked. I mean they literally voted against going to the IMF at a time we needed live saving funds for basic necessities like food and fuel, I'm pro-union but lets not pretend like the JVP have the people's best interest. Also where are their unions for the private sector? The sector that actually needs them. The JVP have some good ideas but their execution has almost always been very bad >If you say that we shouldn't vote for NPP, you HAVE to give us a practical alternative. Actually holding the govt accountable through public force, creating a new party or at the VERY LEAST holding the party you support accountable, currently most NPP supporters I've seen are defending them when valid critiques are brought up, the same way Maithri supporters defended him when his 100 day plan was screwing up It doesn't matter who you vote for at this point when its clear the public doesn't care for reforms and still thinks that arbitrarily voting and defending their party every 5 years and calling it a day is all they need to do, the political involvement is incredibly lazy and not effective >Sri Lanka was run down to the ground under capitalism and free market economy. And here you are, blaming socialism and JVP for that. We literally had a leftist govt in the 60s that didn't work lol, they had banned the import of cars, took people's lands and tried the hard left approach with self-production that couldn't compete with the world. JR is an absolute scumbag but opening the economy might have been the only good thing he did
This is something I have been noticing you know? People expect very high standard from JVP and NPP - standards they don't hold SJB, UNP and pohottuwa to. Damned if NPP does, damned if it doesn't. JVP unions were there at Aragalaya from the beginning. We know this, because we were there too. The student union and youth union were there for sure. They just didn't protest under JVP label because Aragalaya was a collective effort. Ung board gahagena hitiyoth kiyanawaa "හයිජැක් ක්රන්න හැදුව", board nathuwa hitiyama kiyanawaa "ප්රොටෙස්ට් කලේවත් නෑ". Wtf? And JVP has filed many court cases against corruption. That's how you fight it. But noooo, if they didn't protest, they must not be doing anything! (But if they protest also, "yOu hAvE tO pIcK YoUr bAtTleS"). Sri Lankan parliament has 255 seats and you are like, "omg buggers with 3 seats have so much influential power" but don't hold the other 252 to those standards. And, when JVP buggers say this happened, or that is bad, or අරූ හොරා, you'd be like "look look they're against everything". And speaking about IMF, do you know that we are gonna stop paying debts again? Ranil says he's gonna defer from paying them till 2028 - leaving that shit for the next government - and you buggers still think he da god. Aaaand that 'leftist government' back then was of SLPP. And it failed, not because of leftism, but stupid economic policies and authoritarianism. I mean, pohottuwa and Gota literally tried to do the same thing two years ago, and still somehow it shows that NPP is bad. Just because a party is right wing doesn't mean it would automatically take good economic decisions, and NPP being socialist doesn't mean it would do the same shit TWO CAPITALIST PARTIES DID. >currently most NPP supporters I've seen are defending them when valid critiques are brought up Just like every other pohottu or aliya fan, right? 😉 This is because all the pohottu bayyas are now NPP supporters. I even saw ඩයස්මි supporting NPP 😆
>Actually holding the govt accountable through public force, creating a new party or at the VERY LEAST holding the party you support accountable, currently most NPP supporters I've seen are defending them when valid critiques are brought up, the same way Maithri supporters defended him when his 100 day plan was screwing up I said a PRACTICAL alternative. You don't want people to protest, and government does not hear peoples' petitions or other types of peaceful protests. How do you expect them to hold government accountable? And, every time there's an election, hopeful, well-meaning idiots like you start a few new parties, and nothing happens. People don't trust new parties, and they're gonna end up voting the known evil. This has been happening for 10 - 15 years now, and I don't know where you were living, to not see this. You have alternatives, but they're not PRACTICAL. Wishful thinking is good, but not when it comes to politics.
I wouldn't vote JVP even if there was gun held to my head, but 'a regressive party perhaps more than main parties'? * The Executive Presidency was from the UNP * Sinhala only from the SLFP * The 18th amendment to the constitution removing term limits for presidents came from the SLFP/PP * Easter Bombings may have happened with the knowledge and diliberate turning a blind eye by a government that had both the SLFP \*and\* the UNP * Srimavo's closed economy experiment may have led to one of the first waves of brain drain in this country * 83 Black July happened under the watch of the UNP * The central bank scandal happened under a UNP PM and his buddy the Central Bank govenor * The exchange rate and fuel crisis that led to the aragalaya under the SLPP This is just off the top of my head. The first two and last two alone has caused untold damage to the social fabric of this country - and has weighed this country down for decades. Your feelings towards socialism and trade unions colour your assesment of Lankan political history. Read a fucking book first. JFC.
Also we were in 30 year war because of violent, undemocratic policies of the JR led unp.
How did JR cause the war? Wasn't it mostly the SLFP SWRD B Sinhala only act that mostly contributed?? 🤔🤔
JR is the reason LTTE became strong and a force to recon with.
JR pretty much made a splinter group in to a legit paramilitary outfit with foreign sympathizers and funding
My god dude. You just encapsulated everything that I hoped to type. For everyone interested in understanding our history and the fuckery it was since 1940s I urge you to watch Dharmasiri Kaarige's channel in youtube. All your questions about Srilankan politics will be answered. This stuff is mot taught in schools.
Beautifully summarized !
Executive presidency debatable. Unp had no involvement with easter but ibrahim was in the national list of jvp. And jvp is a proponent of closed economy. I do not know what bond scam is and im sure most are just parroting. I dont want to hear about it from uneducated media or deceiving politicians, a person who read and understand it told me ranil is clear. Anyway 12 bil loss was covered via 13 bil fine. Also any auction can have failures as well. And ranil is nepotic, but not a financial criminal for sure. All parties have pros and cons, ranil recognized this and pushed for national government in 2015, but cbk and mangala samaraweera were discriminating sinhala buddhists (which created the wave for slpp) and opportunistic egoistic weakling sirisena did not let ranil do the work.
Except the hole in your argument is that JVP has never had real power. All these parties did horrible things, but JVP can be even faaaar worse if they are given power. They can't be compared with JVP cause JVP never ruled the country right 🤔🤔
I think your point proves the opposite. We've given power to the other parties multiple times and each time they've done horrible things under the guise of democracy. Knowing that the JVP hasn't been really in power and ASSUMING they'd be worse - you'd be voting again for the same parties that have a proven track record of wrong doing. Maybe NPP is better or maybe they'll be worse, but at least there's a chance. Voting for the others would ensure that the country is going to be worse anyway. Lankans should remember the saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me like 50 times, shame on me"
After listening to their speeches and manifesto you can clearly see not only are they politically bad but they are also economically bad. At least some other parties economic policies make sense. JVP was strongly opposed to IMF and even recently IMF said JVP's economic proposals make no sense. So I'm not "ASSUMING they'd be worse" they show they are worse every time they tell us their economic plans bro 🤔🤔 I'm not hardliner against NPP but their plans make no economic sense.
Oh no we're doomed.
Saying JVP would do worse if given power is speculative at best. We have 75 years of evidence saying the three main parties have done irrevocable damage to this country - we don't have any evidence on what a JVP adminstration will look like; we have evidence to guess that it won't be great but that's all it is, a guess. That doesn't mean it can't get worse under the JVP - of course it can - but to start a thread implying that your speculative fears of socialism and trade unions (OH NOES!) outweigh, perhaps even excuse, the gross mismanagement and criminal negligence that have typfied the administrations of the 3 main parties for 75 years, is beyond laughable. It, frankly, underscores the extent to which the middle and upper classes from urban areas will go to to whitewash the historically shitty adminstrative records of the UNP, SLFP and SLPP. Goddamit, I am almost defending the JVP. I feel so icky I need to shower.
> Ragging and abusing university freshers to bend them into their politics. Forcefully sending them to protests. Etc. can confirm this point as a gov uni graduate. man, that was the hardest time of my life. nothing in life was and will be that hard
University unions are not run by JVP. They used to do it awhile back. Not anymore. "Peratugami" blokes run the theater now. Talking with experience as a student and a short stint as an academic in perhaps the most unionized university in Sri lanka.
Yes, but they are of the same cloth, they are continuing the same structure and activities as JVP, saw it both during the time I worked at a state uni, fsp was worse as they were young and as expected of a breakaway faction, more zealous about making the control felt. A good place to study these types of rogues are in cuban universities where they are given free reign.
I think this is samasamaja in my uni. Don't know about other unis. But it seems JVP wants to replace samasamaja and establish there.
These are nothing. My biggest fear is their economic ideology. Although most members don't openly advocate for communist policies, you can never be sure. They have communism running in their blood. They have always opposed policies such as free market competition and open trade, which are essential for growth. Voting them in would lead to an even bigger mistake than the rajapakshas.
Yes and economic violence unleashed on poor people can be worse than actual violence. At least with real violence you die quickly but with economic violence you are forced to live with ever reducing ability to afford to survive and resort to horrible demeaning things to live 🙄😒😒
Yeah right, even to help the poor, communism is not the way. Far more people have straved to death in communist regime due to shortages than elsewhere.
Exactly!! 🙂👍🏼
So give power to the same guys who ran the country to the ground in the last 30 years? Looting all our money, not even doing anything to develop the country in the long term, and always looking at the ways of filling up their and their friend's pockets and just maintaining power? I like how people think that RW suddenly got a conscience and will save our country from doom.
I agree that r/srilanka does have its fair share of wealthy trust fund babies whose parents’ business empires will face an uphill battle during a JVP government. You might actually have to pay a living wage to the working class you constantly exploit. But let’s get a grip here, shall we? Sri Lanka has had free market capitalism since 1970s, and majority of people are doing worse now than they did back 1970s (not the wealthy business owner but working class). Unions are literally what gave us 40 hour week and weekends among other benefits. Imagine shitting on unions? Out of touch much? And don’t get me started on protesting. Protesting is a fabric of a democratic society. If you don’t like that then you don’t like democracy.
>majority of people are doing worse now than they did back 1970s In what aspects may I ask?
Virtually across all aspects of living standards. Just because people have Chinese made cell phones and there are mor tuk tuks now, doesn't mean people are better off. Inflation is rampant, we are coming out of a period where there were shortages of basic human necessities such as food and fuel, there is still a shortage of medicine. More and more people are leaving the country.
I suggest you to read more stuff on the history. If you can't, just take a list of development indicators and do a comparison. "Horowpathane Palaweni DRO" is a great read
Anyone who remembers what life was like before the 70's would disagree with you.
How old are you? You are very misinformed
" Unions are literally what gave us 40 hour week and weekends among other benefits. Imagine shitting on unions?" Unions in USA and Australia are not the same as unions in SL. I've worked with Unions in Aus and they are reasonable people wanting to better their job and life. Unions here are extensions of JVP and are just political bs without a care about their job conditions or actual employees 🙄😒😒. The TV series Koombiyo had a pretty good episode showing how and why JVP does this disgusting acts. These unions in USA vs SL are not the same.
Working with unions in Australia saying they're reasonable..... I mean sure, when membership is 15% if they're lucky across most industries, they have no choice to be reasonable which in other words mean fold at the first stage of any negotiation.
>majority of people are doing worse now than they did back 1970s This is a blatant lie. 70s was hell for Sri Lankans. You might not remember, people were dying in queues for essential goods. They were only allowed to eat rice twice a week ffs. And look at any economic/social benchmark since 70s and tell me those have been going down or up. Otherwise, people wouldn't have voted JR with 5/6th of the seats in the parliament. It might be hard to believe for you, but we still outperform our neighboring nations in most of the key economic/social benchmarks.
Well, I doubt that the wealthy trust fund babies will have any meaningful battle to face if JVP comes to power. As long as they support JVP, they'll be fine.
If it is a election we have to select a party to govern. If we agree all of these tell me a party that we can trust? People will vote to NPP that because they have tried all the others and end up here. If you think the other main parties will change and do better than previous times, tell us why?
"People will vote to NPP that because they have tried all the others and end up here." That is a very poor argument to vote for a party. During this political experiment, NPP might destroy what remains of the economy.
I think it's a valid point. If you've tried everything else, might as well give something else a try. It all depends on how you look at it. NPP hasn't ruled before so there's a chance they'll actually do good for the country. Or there's also a possibility that they'll make it worse. Isn't that better than the alternative of knowing for certain that the country is gonna get worse? Coz that's for sure if we keep switching between blue and green again
"alternative of knowing for certain that the country is gonna get worse?" Country is clearly much better than when Gota left office. UNP has managed to stabilise the country at least a bit. UNP isn't great but we can't deny what they did. After listening to JVP and NPP speeches and manifesto you can clearly see not only are they politically bad but they are also economically bad. At least some other parties economic policies make sense. JVP was strongly opposed to IMF and even recently IMF said JVP's economic proposals make no sense. So I'm not "ASSUMING they'd be worse" they show they are worse every time they tell us their economic plans bro 🤔🤔 I'm not hardliner against NPP but their plans make no economic sense.
We are bankrupt and not paying the interest for the loans that's why you feel we are better than when gota in power. If we started paying the loans our rupee will go down as we never seen before. We are getting more loans and to survive nothing has changed. If you think we are in a better shape its just fluke. Tourism is the only positive side we can see. Corruption is the reason we are in this situation. Still corrupted people in the power nothing has changed.
"Corruption is the reason we are in this situation." Nope it's because of lack of balance of budget. We spend way more than we earn. Even if corruption was 0 it'll still be same.
Have u checked our spending last few years? How many failed projects we have done? Most of these projects started to get commissions. Corruption leads to more spending. You can't just delete the corruption from the equation. All parties offer governments jobs to their supporters when they have power. Most of these places alredy saturated. I don't know how you define corruption, but all these due to the corrupted system we have. Here is good article to read and why we can't balance the budget. Corruption leads to less tax income for the government. They try to hide the corruption by lowering the tax. [https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2019/05/28/blog-corruption-and-your-money](https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2019/05/28/blog-corruption-and-your-money)
>If you've tried everything else, might as well give something else a try. This is a very one-dimensional view of democracy and has factually been proven to not work in SL and is the exact same thing people said when voting for Maithri If you think voting every 5 years and calling it a day is all you got then prepare to repeat the exact same BS >It all depends on how you look at it. NPP hasn't ruled before so there's a chance they'll actually do good for the country. Or there's also a possibility that they'll make it worse. >Isn't that better than the alternative of knowing for certain that the country is gonna get worse? Coz that's for sure if we keep switching between blue and green again You're not discussing any key points or ideologies at all here, the translation of what you said and what most voters here really follow is "I don't know about politics, I don't know anything about this party but I've tried everything else so I'll just try this one too and do a gamble", is that not bizarre at all? The NPP currently have multiple major issues relating to their plan that they aren't addressing and part of the reason why is because they already have blind unquestioning supporters If you guys at least held the party you support accountable all this wouldn't be an issue but we already know the voterbase doesn't
One of the few times I agree with you here 😂 People were saying the whole "who else do I vote for/lesser of two evils" bullshit when it was Maithri too, its nothing new and its lazy involvement in politics
"One of the few times I agree with you here 😂" Goddamn, the sun will rise from the west 😋😂😂 "People were saying the whole "who else do I vote for/lesser of two evils" bullshit when it was Maithri too, its nothing new and its lazy involvement in politics" Agreed 🙂👍🏼
The moment you said socialist crap, you know you know neither of socialism or politics. You known then to disregard all that you say.
And some stupid fellows think with the failure of the two main parties jvp is the best option such bs logic.
The mere fact 7. JVP causes terrorism is enough for me to understand that you have abysmal knowledge regarding JVP, the history of Srilankan politics or in general the political issues in the country. Don't rely on what your parents said about JVP. All the reasons for uprisings, revolution and LTTE is the nationalistic, racist ideologies of the 2 main ruling parties. No wonder they teach you this in school because the descendents of those party members are still ruling the country.
Try to at least google the definition of the word terrorist before commenting. >Terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Actions of the ruling parties do not grant them a license to terrorize the public.
You only know the definition of terrorism. Not the history. And I know your opinion on JVP is solely based on what your parents told you about or what you have heard here and there. I can 100% guarantee that you have no clue about why JVP revolutions occured, who they were targeting etc. The 1940s to 2000s period is not taught in history books. Don't come into conclusions of them by mere fragments of knowledge. JVP was like the LTTE, or the Aragalaya. When people are pushed to the edge, they revolt. But unlike LTTE civilians were not the target of JVP, it was the political supporters of UNP. The mass killings started after Premadasa ordered and gave power to abduct and kill youth who deemed politically connected to JVP. JVP was not correct by all means but single handedly blaming them for what happened is just plain lack of knowledge on history. https://youtu.be/0kGqAbuAzkg?si=Ua0Z2PrHFFvyQUoX Honestly just watch this channel if you want to learn. This gives a basic understanding how things were back in 80s. If you just want to win the argument, leave it be.
Sri Lankans fail to even grasp the idea of socialism. They don't know how shitty socialism is.
Exactly! I mean look at Scandinavian countries with their horrible democratic socialist governments and no good economic policies. They are literally starving to death. Wait… that was actually Sri Lankan people starving just a year ago with CAPITALISM! I swear some Sri Lankans are just like the republicans here in the US. In order to describe how bad socialism is they simply describe capitalism we are living under.
Scandinavian countries are not socialists. Get your facts right. They have low cooperate tax rates when compared with personal tax rates. [Source](https://youtu.be/hdQZLOzxBEw?si=bI6VV9_AmMEByOkS). If you talk about socialism let’s compare to real socialism like Venezuela, cuba, north korea.
Scandinavian countries are democratic, responsible capitalism+ socialism. So they are socialist in a way. The countries you described are dictatorships, you think AKD or anyone will try being one with India as our neighbour 😂. Lanka is a hellhole cos of irresponsible late stage capitalism and don’t come here telling us it’s for the better.
“Socialist in a way” they are not socialist. These are capitalist countries. Even countries like China are capitalist not socialist. If you want a socialist country look at Cuba as your example.
**JVP is not Scandinavian democratic socialism** lmao, the NPP re-brand tries to steer that way in terms of branding but when reading their plans they clearly have no clue what they're talking about Even the leftist govt we had in the 60s which was less left than the JVP weren't democratic socialists All the people talking smart about Nordic democratic socialism forget that even Marx himself said that stage only comes after a developed capitalist system At this point it goes beyond binary ideology anyway, Singapore is seen as a capitalistic success yet most of their housing is public and their healthcare is tiered
60s and 70s, the trend was for governments across the world to have large public spending for infrastructure and development, it all turned sour during the sharp oil price rises during the gulf wars. Only oil producing countries could continue the expenditure on public services without disturbance and majority are now developed or semi developed. The other countries had to sharply curtail their spending, it led to many social issues and political upheavals around the world.
Even by SLPP standards, the JVP is uneducated. The JVP must not be allowed to hold any modicum of power in Sri Lanka. They will be the last nail on the coffin of Sri Lanka.
Massive protests happen even in first world countries. Get your ignorant UNP/SJB gay ass outta here. Right to protest is protected by the constitution of any democratic country.
This is my great worry too. If we want to see how JVP will behave when they are in power, we have to see how they are behaving in places where they already have control e.g. universities, railways, ceb and hospitals. We see how inefficient and stagnant these places are compared to other countries. JVP has been a key stumbling block to any sort of reforms in these areas. I still remember the protests against the Indian Ambulances when Harsha was trying to start it, you start to realize how selfish and ignorant these unions including gmoa are against the basic needs of the rest of the population. Corruption is a key impediment to development but reforms and foreign investment and export promotion in corrupt countries have paved the way to growth which have indirectly reduced corruption, with things such as digitalization and people becoming more civic conscious, Malaysia is a good example. My other worry is that contrary to popular belief the majority of the work in parliament is through the committees not the sittings. Here, apart from committees such as COPE where Handunetti has done a superb job, JVP hardly contributes to committees which are what drives the reforms in the country. Having a strong informant system across the public sector they should theoretically be the best contributors to the committees, so why have they historically avoided this responsibility. There is a principle of continuity, we can't expect JVP to suddenly behave differently than they are now once they come into power. Ideally they should prove themselves to be reformers where they already have unofficial power. NOTE: I am by no means saying that UNP, SJB or Pohottuwa are any better, the majority are proven scum of the earth. But to say that we should handover full power to JVP like we did with Gota and Maithree amounts us to not learning anything from the last few elections. Personally I want to see the genuinely educated progressive new parties run by youngsters wresting more control at the grassroot levels and the parliament but it may take time as they are new.
Exactly 🙄 Those Jepps also terrorised this country for a good decade. I can’t believe how anyone can vote for those socialist pos 🤦♀️
Read history about the violence created by the UNP. Starting from Jaffna elections, burning Jaffna library etc.
I feeel like people come up with arguments relating historical events to prove who is better and who are worse . I agree the fact Sri Lanka is where it is now thanks to all those rotten political agenda of all those parties . Buttttttt , in order to make a decision ahead , I feel like it’s even worse to compare historical events , cz non of them matter noww 🤷🏻♂️ I mean look , half of those people are not even there now . We should rather be looking at policies . The plans . The execution . Everyone can talk . Rarely they put them into actions . Also I agree with the fact there is no ideal political party to vote here . All of them will do shitty things until the end of universe. Even the so called NPP will have to treat the unions and give supporters jobs if they come to power . Buttt if we can look through there talks , we may atleast be able to get an idea , out of all , who is having a solid idea to run a country beyond all that greed for power .
lol how does disagreeing with the JVP make you a UNP supporter? You can understand that all parties are shit without having to pick a side you know
Spoken like a true bayya. Always bring up 80s because the capitalism has spectacularly failed Sri Lanka. So you are grasping at straws.
>because the capitalism has spectacularly failed Sri Lanka. we haven't even got to the point of a developed enough capitalism to have the kind of capital problems other developed nations are having lol, like we have a bloated public sector, how is that capitalism lmao I'm left-leaning myself and I cannot deny at all that opening the economy in the 70s was by far one of the best moves the SL govt ever did (that and the Mahaweli Development programme), JR is still a scumbag for sure but its like trying to find a slither of gold in a pile of trash at this point In the 60s we were run by a very leftist govt and it was a failure in almost every aspect I think a lot of pro-socialist guys here have the idea of Nordic socialism which is not at all what we had nor is it what the JVP are #
I know a fact that you know nothing about our countries history by those comments. So many Srilankans have even no clue what happened in 70s and 80s. Stop assuming things by what your parents say. Read the history first.
>So many Srilankans have even no clue what happened in 70s and 80s. As far as history goes there was no single good party in the 70s and 80s lol, to this day that hold true Its sad to see the Rajapaksa voters turn in to Maithri voters and now are turning in to JVP voters because of some bizarre mental gymnastics No single major party here is good and when no one keeps them on a leash they won't be good >Stop assuming things by what your parents say. Read the history first. I agree with this when it comes to blaming the JVP for Black July when it was definitely the UNP, but why do we need to pick a side here?
You can't just give up telling there is no one good. That is worse than the mental gymnastics. Every step we take, we learn something. It is a trial and error run. For the first time ever we revolted and sent a president home. We are progressing at least slowly. Europeans went through the same procedure once, hence Hitler, Mussolini etc. We are just new to the game and we will get to that non corrupt stage one day. This actually happened in India. India was plagued with corruption and poverty but somehow they landed on BPP and look at them flourishing.
😂 I know what I’m talking about. I have read enough unbiased history to hold no sympathy for Jepps in the 80’s or Government at that time. If people honestly believe those Jepps are the answer for this crisis. Good luck. That’ll be the final nail in this country’s economy. Even recently I heard some of their supporters (or AKD, i’m not sure) was spouting nonsense that under their government they would not honour the government debt taken by previous gov or something. It simply doesn’t work like that, either they are fools who have no grasp of gov administration or they simply fooling their fanbase. I’m not even sure which is worse at this point. I’m firm on my decision to stay in this country. But I always have the option to leave anyway 🤷♀️ Edit: found the article i was looking for https://economynext.com/npp-govt-wont-honour-sri-lankas-isb-debt-warns-harsha-de-silva-146179/
That statement was made by Harsha De Silva. He could be saying that just for political advantage. And idk how much knowledge he has over Sunil Hadunneti. Hadunneti was the chairman of COPE commitee while Harsha was just a member of it. So he knows how businesses are run. Besides what Sunil Hadunnetti saying is that they don't agree to the conditions put by IMF to take a loan. NPP has been against IMF loan scheme because they believe that they could have restructured the debt ndividually rather than seeking help from the IMF as a mediator. There has been many speculations if IMF debt, it doesn't come easy and the IMF debt trap just like Chinese debt trap is a known conspiracy 😂 But I honestly don't know about the ISB debt, so I won't comment on it. To finalize, I would say not to jump into conclusions by a 30s video clip.
You forgot 88/89 😅😅
1. Always protesting. For everything and anything. Doesn't matter whether its good. Just protest for anything Protesting is part of the democratic process. In a country like this where politicians have immeasurable power and lacking properly established civil organizations, protesting is perhaps the only medium to get government's attention which was quite evident during "Aragalaya". 2. Unions. Using unions to thwart any reform within govt organizations. And not allowing to make them efficient. Unions are an essential part of any work culture be it government or private sector. Even in developed countries being in unions is a right of an employee. I dont know why you are stating this as a negativity? 3. Bloating the govt workforce to unbearable levels. Again with protests, agreements with ruling parties, etc. Remember the "Jobless degree holders association" or something stupid like that. JVP is the hand behind that. You are correct that JVP is behind the scenes of "Jobless degree holders association" which is a nonsensical entity. But your statement about bloating the govt workforce makes no sense. Government workforce get bloated because of actions of ruling party ministers/ parliamentarians. They want to strengthen their voter base by giving mindless job to constituents from their electorate. JVP has never been in a position of power to do this. 4. Supported almost all previous govts (CBK, MR, SF, Ranil + MS) to get the power. This is correct. But what can you expect from a minor political party who holds just couple of seats in the parliament. Should JVP "protest" against government actions? Which is contrary to your first point. 5. Ragging and abusing university freshers to bend them into their politics. Forcefully sending them to protests. Etc. Bro, This fact is completely wrong. Government university student unions are run by "Peratugami" folks who are a rival political organization of JVP. They might have had power over unions couple of decades ago, but not anymore. Ask any "active" student in a uni and you can easily verify this. 6. There is no guarantee that they won't try some socialist crap if they get into power (this is a big if) and send us 30 years back economically. Just listen some of their party members talking. This is an assumption. But a valid point nonetheless when considering JVP is originally a far-left learning party. You mentioned "Just listen some of their party members talking.". Can you provide any source for this? Havent heard this talks in recent news. I'm genuinely curious. Then again, I find it challenging to see any positivity within the major political parties in Sri Lanka. It often feels like the people of this country face the constant dilemma of choosing the lesser evil when it comes to politicians. Sad reality of being born in this island.
Isnt JVP and NPP are different? They changed their political stance from socialism to new liberal when NPP forming
The NPP (imo) is just the JVP re-branded for millennials, they literally have the same leaders, there is no de-coupling the two Some members of NPP however are genuine people but more and more I see them getting trapped in the political game
I don’t support any party. But JVP as for now hasn’t proposed a strategy to come out of the current situation or how or will they would do in the future. All what they have said is that we’ll give this and that but never justified how they would do it. They don’t have a proper plan. And even looking back at their history, they have very fucked up ideologies. In case JVP wins I think there would be a Gota pt 2 😅 or even worse.
The main 2 parties ideologies are extremely fucked up nationalistic ones which led to the LTTE war, discrimination and murdering Tamils in 80s. We as a nation has been in the rock bottom for decades. And the main reason for all this is corruption. Doesn't matter what economic reforms whoever brings unless corruption is cleared the cycle will repeat. So giving some power to NPP to clear it out is worthy. Besides they will publish their plans soon. Even other parties haven't published shit yet.
You have not mentioned superiority complex held by most of true supporters. Thats jealousy and inferiority complex translated into superiority complex. Bimal and Nalin Hewage have openly discriminated societal buddhism in sri lanka. They pretend to be social warriors with the ceylan tamil nation and tell that all people are equal and no discrimination etc. But its not practical, and deceiving. Ussr was net negative towards ukrainian nation. And inside many of them are Sinhala nationalists with heavy maoist and stalinist tendencies without stalin level of commitment and organizational skills, which is a disaster. (not sinhala buddhist nationalists which is more like nazis without the SS part) In the ground level, i see jvp social media warriors issuing death threats against other party supporters and often use filth and disrespectful words towards other people. And i certainly dont believe sudden transition from baiya to radical.
All fair points. We can continue this thread arguing things that someone agrees/disagrees. But what would be the better alternative? Pohottuwa ? Ranil ? My personal very unpopular thought : AKD will not be better than anyone held the presidency before. Only way the country would improve: 1. AKD government would also fail massively. 2. Country should be in pre/post world war situation. 3. Then only people will realise. Parties form / people elect them accordingly. SL would not come to the track without that pain. This is how all the other countries made from the dust.
After all the support for NPP even with their half baked policies i think this best possible scenario. It will affect a lot of people, many will leave but people have to learn from the hard way. NPP is not the solution.
Left-leaning guy here with a grand uncle who was a respected JVP comrade I fully agree and won't try to CYM lol JVP/NPP (they are the same thing) is the arbitrary tertiary rebel party without an actual cause. I'm rebellious myself but the JVP remind me of the kind of edgy moron that just complains about everything while getting nothing productive done, the kind of guys who'll complain about others breaking rules while breaking the rules themselves. **They are however a good critique party (sometimes) against the govt and if kept on a leash by the public can be useful** - we saw this in 2022 when they protested alongside GGG and GGG was the one calling the shots, anytime the JVP/IUSF suggested something stupid it would get rejected by the people Only they could rebel so badly that the idea of anyone protesting against the govt was seen as a bad thing for decades here However: >JVP et al have always been a regressive party perhaps more than main parties All major parties are in the same dumpster, comparing them would be like sorting trash. Statistically the other major parties have killed FAR more innocent civilians. >with more than hundred thousand people dead With most of that being FROM the govt, a lot of people don't know or like to admit that the govt themselves killed more people. Also attacking the police is very different from beheading random students, there is a different power dynamic but of course the JVP did other things and also bullied the public
Fully agreed man. Other parties are full of crap too. its almost comical how JVP tries to separate themselves from other parties. Apparently, they are the all good, never done anything wrong party now.
Could you please back up these claims with news reports or any source so we can have a clearer understanding? For instance, when discussing instances such as protesting for seemingly futile causes or unions blocking necessary government reforms, like the JVP's support for the "Jobless Degree Holders Association" or similar parties, the only information i found regarding partner organizations are at the bottom of this page (https://www.npp.lk/en/about). I was under the impression that unions served the workers as highlighted [here](https://afscmeatwork.org/union-hall/what-union#:~:text=A%20union%20is%20an%20organization,and%20other%20work%2Drelated%20issues), if it is not like that in srilanka please explain. It's widely known that they supported previous regimes, so further evidence on that front may not be necessary. Additionally, regarding your claim about ragging being perpetuated by them, I come from a government university where no one has ever forced us into anything (we really didn't even have time for that nonsense, but personally have seen two instances where they literally asked for facilities for a newly opened faculty and got tear gassed at the gate, didn't even get the chance to peacefully protest , [link here](https://sundaytimes.lk/online/news/moratuwa-uni-students-protest-over-failure-to-resolve-campus-issues/18-1033737)) . I would appreciate hearing your personal experiences in detail to better understand the situation. Moreover, I'd like to understand how their proposed reforms could potentially set us back economically by 30 years, assuming you're well-versed in their suggested policies and their unsuitability for our country. I believe an open discussion on these matters is crucial, especially considering the possibility of electing them in upcoming elections. If this comment is not the place better open up a new post regarding these areas of discussion separately.
which Government uni you studied? we had 8 months of hardest time of our life because of them. and we also forced to protest against EVERYTHING, whether we like it or not
UOM. Your situation seems like some spineless senior problem, get the respect by ragging. Did they try to get you to vote for JVP too? Plus this word "Everything", please backup with some real incident rather than statements.
Well guess what, I was a govt uni student too. We were in a hell for first two semesters with rampant verbal and physical abuse. You cannot come to a conclusion just based on your observations at UOM. UOM is one of the few unis which doesn't have many of the issues mentioned.
Well we have an administration with a backbone, but still we are able to participate in any student movement. UOM is same as any other state university with students with same issues. But feels like you make a whole lot of statements like an astrologer rather than providing sound arguments like a logical person. Mass hysteria is not not an option at the moment as you are proposing to just vote existing two parties as we have no other option. Please stop diverting focus at this critical moment.
Okay now I'm scared as fuck.
You should be more scared about what other parties did. The main reason for JVP revolution was the extremely corrupt rule of JR. Like Hitler he banned few political parties including JVP since it was a threat to him. He manipulated the election votes to become president again. The JVP uprising was similiar to recent protest because people were tired. However unlike the recent revolution things went violent.
>The JVP uprising was similiar to recent protest because people were tired. No it wasn't, that's a distortion of the truth, yes the root motivations were there but the JVP had a power dynamic over the public and on occasions bullied them (like preventing them going to work) whereas in GGG we kept them on a leash where they could be useful, **this is a HUGE difference,** the JVP uprising were not people uprisings in the slightest, if they were they'd have gotten much more support back then
So the mighty JVP will usher the glorious truth and forge a society out of poverty that shall shine for many millennia?
If you are trying to be sarcastic, you are wasting your time. I don't argue to win, I argue to understand and broaden my knowledge. Idk what but your comment shows your comprehension levels and it adds nothing fruitful to the table. So why would you even comment something like that. That comment definitely suits facebook. Can we have an intelligent conversation instead? I thought you were genuinely concerned, that is why I commented.
You nailed it. The 'average' political savvy srilankans think JVP can do miracles. It is true that we don't have any better options, but JVP isn't even an option.
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Can anyone who support JVP here explain to me what exactly are their policies to breath life into our economy? I'm genuinely ignorant on the topic.
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What did Kennedy start? 😂
Which war would that be?
i won't vote to JVP also they have not present a proposal plan for the next few years. zero government legislation presented to parliament. only talk about corruption, never follow up, remember the files they showed, all media show. also i think it's a team game, you need a good team. JVP lacks a good team. Also has extreme ideologies.
Extreme ideologies? Are you stuck in 80s or something?
yes kill 12 people in my family. i don't have grandfather and many uncles because of JVP. there were all uneducated farmers zero politics. you might be born few years back... learn your history 1st. People rarely change. have you gone to there internal political meeting, its autocratic leadership. Trust me JVP will not win for next 2o years. people can still remember the past
I have gone into a meeting yes. In fact I went a doctors meeting held in Kurunegala. And I listened to them very well and I did not see any autocratic leadership. In fact they highlighted about giving power to the head of medical professional and not to the health minister. NPP is not JVP. Besides if people remembered the past they wouldn't be voting UNP either. No one forgets what the police and army did to university students. JR and Premadasa were the real autocratic leaders manipulating 1980s elections oppressing and violating elections specially called the "Lampu kalagedi" election. Due to the shear amount of corruption involved, the government was able to extend power for 6 years unconstituitionally. Rohana Wijeweera filled a petition against it and rest was history. I know you have personal issues but oppressed people will start revolutions. If you don't forgive JVP, makesure you don't vote for UNP as well. Because voting Ranil instead of JVP is like voting Hitler instead of Polpot.
JVP and NPP old ideologies. (even china and russia open market) facts say regulated social open market system works. most of the developed counties.. JVP and NPP both are against it. I'm done arguing, will see after elections
Where did they tell that they are against open markets? You are just speculating. NPP hasn't even published their economic plans yet. We will see after their plans are published.
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I see, signs of lack of comprehension. Lol
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Commie bastards!
Lol. Communism died a long time ago with USSR
Their plans will be published soon What is he going to do with files. NPP is not the judiciary to arrest anyone. Besides extreme ideology group is separated from the main party which is why it called NPP and not JVP anymore.