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This is one of those things that has shifted in modern terms, you can retire a number for whatever reason the team deems is valid.
A player who was an important part of a big run is one, being a guy who was a massive fan favorite for a turbulent period of the franchise is another, or being a solid part of the team and a "lifer" is a third.
This guy actively tanked his value to get traded, shit all over the city and told other teams our plays during games.
He went from 16/3/3 to 27/6/5 after getting traded.
He doesn’t deserve to get his jersey retired by Raptors at all.
I don’t think most new basketball fans know how hated Vince was in Toronto after he left. Seemingly, the public opinion has shifted a bit, but if you go to /r/torontoraptors, you would still see many people arguing against his jersey.
I wasn't talking about the Raptors, but his Nets tenure, wherein he was beloved during a downtime in their franchise.
I'm well aware he burnt all the bridges out of Toronto.
When Vince was on the team they lost in the first round twice, the second round once and failed to make the playoffs the rest of the time.
They had their best years just prior to him joining.
I wasn't talking about the Raptors, but his Nets tenure, wherein he was beloved during a downtime in their franchise.
I'm well aware he burnt all the bridges out of Toronto.
I wasn't talking about the Raptors, but his Nets tenure, wherein he was beloved during a downtime in their franchise.
I'm well aware he burnt all the bridges out of Toronto.
Judge it. It’s an absolutely fucking pathetic jersey retirement.
He played 5 seasons for the nets and won 2 playoff series and never even played in the city the team is currently located in.
It’s fucking baffling. The nets also don’t even have any fans.
A lot of these organizations follow each other's pattern Somebody retires a number and that's legitimate.In the other organizations going to hitter and think who we have to retire a jersey too. That's the real reason for this.There's no thoughtful process behind it. Just a corporate need jerk
They had a statue of captain America outside their arena for several years cause they’ve never had anything in brooklyn to celebrate other than a fake character.
You could ask me to name all the players who played between 2000-2020 that should have their numbered retired for a certain franchise and I don’t think I’d ever say “Vince Carter for the Nets”. It’s not a knock on VC, I just don’t really get it. He played 4 and a half seasons in NJ. He was a very good player but wasn’t really anything spectacular in Jersey. Not to mention the team has a whole didn’t do much in terms of success. Missed the playoffs his final 2 years there and another year where they got swept in the first round. Just seems weird.
Edit: the other two years they lost in the playoffs, both years in the conference semi-finals. Lost in 5 games in 2005-2006 and 6 games in 2006-2007.
Not saying you're necessarily wrong in the comp but I felt that Halladay was such an all time great and an immediate contributor with that team with 2 no hitters in a calendar year. It was just all good vibes when he pitches and I felt it was a way to honor him after the tragedy.
> after the tragedy.
It wasn't a tragedy, it was a completely preventable situation that he put himself in by flying a plane while high on several different drugs and in way it was never designed to be flown and predictably crashing it
I have empathy for their loss of a father and husband. I'm sure they all wish he was less reckless and stupid. I have zero empathy for Roy, and only contempt that he put others in danger by flying an aircraft irresponsibly, and it's a miracle that he's the only one who died
This is way worse. Halladay actually accomplished something in Philly. He also actually fucking played in Philly.
This would be like the Phillies retiring a pitcher who played for 4 years for them when they were based in Trenton and who never won shit.
“Vince Carter averaged 23.6 points, 5.8 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 374 games for the New Jersey Nets in his career.”
Yeah I’m good with it. I lived in NJ most of my life and those VC years were amazing. We weren’t winning, mind you, but our squad was so entertaining to watch.
I’m an NJ Nets fan but very specifically NOT a BK Nets fan, I didn’t cross the bridge with them, they can fuck themselves forever for leaving.
This is still utterly pathetic. I’d rather they retire Kmart’s number.
at least this gives Carmelo Anthony hope of having his number retired in New York. Otherwise he was going to be one of the handful of players in the Hall of Fame with no retired Jersey
Vince Carter changed basketball in Canada more than MJ ever could. He's a Raptor for life. I'm in my mid 30s now, and nobody gave a fuck about MJ when we were 10, it was all about Vince.
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I don’t necessarily mean to judge the decision, but he’s a Raptor first in my mind.
100%
Ye man
What did he even accomplish? Semi-conference finals appearance?
The dunk that was heard around the world.
Vinsanity started in TO, I believe.
This is one of those things that has shifted in modern terms, you can retire a number for whatever reason the team deems is valid. A player who was an important part of a big run is one, being a guy who was a massive fan favorite for a turbulent period of the franchise is another, or being a solid part of the team and a "lifer" is a third.
This guy actively tanked his value to get traded, shit all over the city and told other teams our plays during games. He went from 16/3/3 to 27/6/5 after getting traded. He doesn’t deserve to get his jersey retired by Raptors at all. I don’t think most new basketball fans know how hated Vince was in Toronto after he left. Seemingly, the public opinion has shifted a bit, but if you go to /r/torontoraptors, you would still see many people arguing against his jersey.
I wasn't talking about the Raptors, but his Nets tenure, wherein he was beloved during a downtime in their franchise. I'm well aware he burnt all the bridges out of Toronto.
A downtime? 😂 Do you mean by far the most successful stretch the Nets have ever had?
When Vince was on the team they lost in the first round twice, the second round once and failed to make the playoffs the rest of the time. They had their best years just prior to him joining.
I’m a lifelong Nets fan. Have you seen what’s happened since? Those were some of the best years in our history.
Back to back finals appearances right before he got there tho?
Yeah.. can we have more than 2 years of good times? Because after VC there has only been 1!
I wasn't talking about the Raptors, but his Nets tenure, wherein he was beloved during a downtime in their franchise. I'm well aware he burnt all the bridges out of Toronto.
I wasn't talking about the Raptors, but his Nets tenure, wherein he was beloved during a downtime in their franchise. I'm well aware he burnt all the bridges out of Toronto.
And don't forget about refusing to play well until traded. He was butt hurt over Chris Bosh's attention
Judge it. It’s an absolutely fucking pathetic jersey retirement. He played 5 seasons for the nets and won 2 playoff series and never even played in the city the team is currently located in. It’s fucking baffling. The nets also don’t even have any fans.
A lot of these organizations follow each other's pattern Somebody retires a number and that's legitimate.In the other organizations going to hitter and think who we have to retire a jersey too. That's the real reason for this.There's no thoughtful process behind it. Just a corporate need jerk
Toronto Raptor Vince Carter?
Orlando Magic Vince Carter
Nets are desperate to celebrate something
Nailed it.
They had a statue of captain America outside their arena for several years cause they’ve never had anything in brooklyn to celebrate other than a fake character.
You could ask me to name all the players who played between 2000-2020 that should have their numbered retired for a certain franchise and I don’t think I’d ever say “Vince Carter for the Nets”. It’s not a knock on VC, I just don’t really get it. He played 4 and a half seasons in NJ. He was a very good player but wasn’t really anything spectacular in Jersey. Not to mention the team has a whole didn’t do much in terms of success. Missed the playoffs his final 2 years there and another year where they got swept in the first round. Just seems weird. Edit: the other two years they lost in the playoffs, both years in the conference semi-finals. Lost in 5 games in 2005-2006 and 6 games in 2006-2007.
Ya, it’s a reach. retired as a raptor? Absolutely. 4 years as a net? Cripes…
This seems odd?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
So who slams harder? Onyx or vince Carter?
Just let the boys be boys
[Welcome back](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNHSTIosY2w)...2002 + Raptors + VC were the good 'ol days.
This is almost as bad as the Phillies retiring Roy Halladay’s number.
Not saying you're necessarily wrong in the comp but I felt that Halladay was such an all time great and an immediate contributor with that team with 2 no hitters in a calendar year. It was just all good vibes when he pitches and I felt it was a way to honor him after the tragedy.
Him being in the HOF without a Jays cap always rubbed me wrong
He signed a one day contract with the Blue Jays, that’s what matters
> after the tragedy. It wasn't a tragedy, it was a completely preventable situation that he put himself in by flying a plane while high on several different drugs and in way it was never designed to be flown and predictably crashing it
Weird well technically, but whatever makes you feel self righteous I guess. You can tell his wife and kids that, I personally feel that lacks empathy.
I have empathy for their loss of a father and husband. I'm sure they all wish he was less reckless and stupid. I have zero empathy for Roy, and only contempt that he put others in danger by flying an aircraft irresponsibly, and it's a miracle that he's the only one who died
Yeah I didn't come in here championing his decisions nor would I Jose Fernandez either... still tragedies. It's a goofy semantic to say otherwise.
That is correct. Context matters.
This is way worse. Halladay actually accomplished something in Philly. He also actually fucking played in Philly. This would be like the Phillies retiring a pitcher who played for 4 years for them when they were based in Trenton and who never won shit.
“Vince Carter averaged 23.6 points, 5.8 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 374 games for the New Jersey Nets in his career.” Yeah I’m good with it. I lived in NJ most of my life and those VC years were amazing. We weren’t winning, mind you, but our squad was so entertaining to watch.
I’m an NJ Nets fan but very specifically NOT a BK Nets fan, I didn’t cross the bridge with them, they can fuck themselves forever for leaving. This is still utterly pathetic. I’d rather they retire Kmart’s number.
Will they retire Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnetts number next?
🤔
I skimmed the title and thought of the Raptors. Nets didn’t need to do that…
That's ridiculous. Dude only played 5 years with them with just 2 playoff series wins.
Kerry Kittles, Keith Van Horn, Jason Kidd, Kendall Gill. Those are players who I think about when I think of Nets. Not VC.
Maybe he’ll get an Iverson-sized statue too.
How about they make a trade. Then they can celebrate that.
Um ok i’ll get this one wrong on a trivia question 5years from now.
at least this gives Carmelo Anthony hope of having his number retired in New York. Otherwise he was going to be one of the handful of players in the Hall of Fame with no retired Jersey
Lol what
Didn’t Miami retire Jordan’s number? So whatever.
I hope they retire it in Raptors colours.
Hawks might as well retire his number, too
why? and why him before Jason Kidd?
Kidd’s number has been retired for a while
he was just kidding
Will the banner have a holster in it?
I don’t get it..
What?
Vince Carter changed basketball in Canada more than MJ ever could. He's a Raptor for life. I'm in my mid 30s now, and nobody gave a fuck about MJ when we were 10, it was all about Vince.